Well?
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Well?
>>751735041
I thought hillary was also against net neutrality?
>>751735041
what exactly is the arguement against net neutrality? unless you´re a already big company able to buy more bandwidth so you can make even more money, whats in it for the simple man?
>>751735041
You got it backwards.
>>751735257
it's an obama regulation. trump even wants to kill the thanksgiving turkeys obama pardoned.
>>751735351
> trump even wants to kill the thanksgiving turkeys obama pardoned.
Good.
>>751735214
No. Every person with a brain is for net neutrality, unless being a republican who sold his voice against free net and free speech.
And dont expect Trump to give a shit about net neutrality, he still supports Roy Moore, he may be raping children, but as long as he got that R infront of him, he is a great person in Trumpies eyes.
simple: 4chan will be suppressed or at least slowed down to the speed comparable snail mail and fox will be bright and shiny
>>751735380
Trumpists please just go. Kill your own freedom, fine with me, but stop killing the freedom of other americans.
>>751735041
well what ? are you proud of that nonsense meme?
>>751735506
http://www.insidesources.com/hillary-clinton-ambivalent-about-net-neutrality-podesta-emails-show/
remember, she has a public opinion to help her win votes, and a private opinion which is the way she really feels. she's said this many times.
>>751735351
a non-amerifag here. but are there any arguements out there against it? im realy curious, because i think net neutrality is a good thing, but im also intereseted in opposing opinions? are there reasonable facts, or is it just some alex jones like character saying "Net Neutrality supports inter-dimensional pedophiles and will turn everyone gay" ?
By this time next year, without Net Neutrality, basically:
You'll pay for internet the way you pay for cable.
Want to use 4chan or other social type sites? You'll have to have that package. Want to use email and messaging services? You'll have to have to have that package. Streaming, youtube, video services? You'll need that package (and enough bandwidth).
That's basically it. Right now, the internet is "regulated" in such a way that if you pay for access to the internet, the ISP itself cannot pick and choose what parts of the internet to let you connect to.
Without Net Neutrality, that goes away.
The internet will be, basically, DLC. You pay extra to get certain parts.
Anyone trolling or being partisan about it because one side or another supports/is against it is a braindead loser.
>>751735041
if you are against net neutrality then you support having to pay $50 extra per month just to get netflix
so think about that whydon'tya?
>>751735640
"I would vote for net neutrality because..." Literally in the "source" you posted. Are you not able to actually read what you post?
>>751735506
>Roy Moore, he may be raping children,
>rape
There's this thing called consent, look it up. He did the respectable thing and not take it any further if they didn't want to.
>>751735041
>pepe and sargon against net neutrality
What?
>>751735675
exactly this
fuck the FCC, KEEP NET NEUTRALITY
>>751735646
Opposing Opinion: "Without a free internet comcast could make a lot more money, selling fast speeds for certain websites. Freedom is ok but if it stops us from making a lot of money, nobody should have freedom"
>>751735041
This is just a tryhard shitpost, with a meme of the worst variety. I've gotten more entertainment out of seeing shitty normie memes spilt over from facebook.
>>751735746
> consent
> child
I know republicans are not considered average intelligent, but at least try not to be so retarded,
>>751735728
yea, that became her public opinion. she wasnt comfortable with it until she was getting ready to run for president.
>>751735807
It certainly triggered you.
>>751735351
>>751735351
You didn't even try to answer the fucking question.
What's the actual argument against net neutrality? It's absurd to argue that it's bad simply because someone you don't like, liked it at some point. That's idiotic as fuck.
>>751735746
children cant give consent.
>>751735864
but that is the actual argument against net neutrality.
>>751735646
It prevents somebody from making more money, which is why he may or may not pay people to advocate against it. It is pretty entertaining to annoy people who get very emotional over it though
>>751735863
Not enough to make me show emotion, but enough for me to call it out as trash.
>>751735041
Whose propaganda is that? Net neutrality benefits everyone except for the largest, wealthiest corporations on the planet.
Do you want the internet to continue to become "pay per view"?
>>751735646
Large tech giants force ISPs to provide unlimited bandwith for free. They literally get a free lunch while everyone else pays.
>>751735864
this is the state of the liberal left right now anon.
For nn: the civilised world
Against nn: America, Portugal, ©hina
>>751735953
i'm ok with pay per view internet if that's what internet companies want to do with their business. I wont tell them what to do if they dont tell me what to do.
>>751735872
>>751735852
>16
>child
I know liberal feminists like to stretch things to fit a narrative but that is not a child and is the age of consent in many states and most of the world.
>>751735855
You misunderstood the point. She advocated for net neutrality, only uncertain about HOW to enforce it. Different things.
>>751735872
> children cant five consent
Sorry anon you cant make it in the Republican party.
ops pic pretty much sums up their argument against net neutrality - people and corporations i don't like support it, so i'm going to oppose it. i'm yet to hear any actual arguments.
>>751735916
You're fucking retarded. I already know what the argument is, I'm trying to drag it out of you retards. It's not because "obama" ffs.
The argument against net neutraliry is simply that corporations should be free to control and monopolize whatever they please, which they want to do very badly, but has absolutely no benefit to the 99.5% of the people on the planet not owning those major coroprations. They want to control the internet because it's profitable.
It would honestly be like the US government letting Halliburton or some other big company BUY the US interstate system and charge people per mile.
>>751736044
yea, except the kids were 14.
>>751736041
but they'll be telling you exactly what to do: GIVE US A SHIT TON MORE MONEY TO ENJOY THE WEBSITES YOU USED TO ENJOY FOR ONE FLAT RATE
>>751736041
Except that:
>we (taxpayers) created the internet - not ISPs
>we (taxpayers) paid for and built the infrastructure it runs on - not ISPs
The product doesn't belong to them. The internet itself is not their intellectual or created property - nor is it even provided over physical lines which they own.
>>751736108
it is because of obama though. trump said he would undo everything obama did, he's following through.
>>751735575
Now you know how it feels, man. To have people with an ideology you don't identify as pushing that ideology on you. Feels good, right? Makes you want to vote against them and have their freedoms taken away, doesn't it?
>>751736044
> she was 14
But lets be honest, garbage trumpanzees like you would defend him even if she was 6 years old. As long as he is republican he couldve murdered her too and fox would have said it was self defence.
>>751736041
That's just it, they are telling you what to do. You'll be paying every-time you check your email
>>751735041
So newfags are against net neutrality?
>>751736136
that's like saying supermarkets are telling me I have to buy avocados for $2.00 each. no thanks.
>>751736154
nope, try again.
>>751736032
China is actually lauded as having one of the best Copyright systems in the world.
>The more you know?
>>751735963
so is this for or against it? ISPs already do get paid for their service
>>751736233
no effort, dismissed
>>751736192
they arent going to do that though.
>>751736220
I hear soyboy millenials eat avocados. Seriously stop feeding the stereotype and/or keep up the great shitposting.
>>751735675
I remember before 2015 where i had to pay for site packages. Oh wait??
>>751736108
exactly
common sense dictates that net neutrality is the only rational way to even have an internet
i am one of the most conservafags around, yet i support net neutrality precisely because it creates a level playing field upon which even the littlest competitor can compete - just plug into the web, set up your site, and go for it. without net neutrality, the only ecommerce site in the world will be amazon, the only video site in the world will be netflix, and the only search engine in the world will be google.
the world without net neutrality will be like stalin's russia, except instead of it being state-controlled media, it'll be the biggest corporations's-controlled media
>>751736233
lol you have nothing to say, goddamn you have to at least have more than 1 reply in the barrel if you're gonna do this
>>751736163
>it is because of obama though.
No it's not. I love support the president, but it's obvious he's getting his fucking pocketbook padded by the lobbyists on this one. It's just politics and it should be resisted even by his supporters.
>>751736258
no effort at what? you just pulled that shit out of your ass, it's not true.
>>751736252
ISPs are forced to provide an additional services for free because liberal tech giants demand it
so make of that what you will.
>>751736291
yea, millennials eat avocados because they are healthy and taste good.
>>751736220
no that's like supermarkets deciding that you'll have to pay $50 just to enter the store
>>751736220
No, it's like saying Halliburton is going to start sending you a bill every week to use the highway in front of your house.
>>751736334
oh no the poor ISPs!
>>751735931
For someone who is not showing emotion, you sure are showing a lot of emotion.
>>751736322
yes, it is because of obama.
>>751735041
John Oliver has gone against net neutrality many times
So really this is just properganda with not research or evidence
Troll
>>751736154
>nor is it even provided over physical lines which they own.
Thats a question i have the cable infrastructure is public or private?
Trump's for NN OP. Fucking shitskin.
>>751735506
to be fair being conservative is a mental disorder and if we continue to let the retards run things everything will go to shit
>>751736381
there isnt a highway in front of my house, im not white trash.
>>751736323
Government projects at DARPA literally created the internet, and even your dumbass knows that already.
And you already know that the telecom lines that the internet runs on were built by the government, on the taxpayer dime
And bonus - we paid for hundreds of billions of dollars of upgrades to them - for the internet companies - and they pocketed half the cash.
https://www.reddit.com/r/explainlikeimfive/comments/6c5e97/eli5_how_were_isps_able_to_pocket_the_200_billion/
Get fucked
>>751736373
yea, so I go to the one that isnt doing that. I have like 15 grocery stores within a 10 minute drive.
>>751736441
so you live on a dirt road???
>>751735041
I had no idea how wrong I was about net neutrality until I saw this meme. Please share it on Facebook so my Grandma and all her church sewing circle friends can learn the truth.
>>751735041
Wrong, i'm on 4chan and for net neutrality. In short the only people who are against it are ISPs (because in this way they can trottle your 4chan traffic and charge you or 4chan extra for a fast connection. Same goes for any other website.) and idiots that don't understand what net neutrality even means and just repeat what fox news tells them.
>>751736388
Oh no the poor tech companys. See Anon you fucked yourself now all together say it with me.
Goodbye Net Neutrality Yaaaaay
>>751736414
It's on public land, and most of the telecommunications lines were originally paid for (and still currently maintained) by taxpayer funds. Huge upgrades were paid for by taxpayers as well (400 billion dollars worth) but telecom companies pocketed half the cash and did few of the upgrades.
>>751736442
so why doesnt the government become the service provider if they paid for the lines?
>>751736125
I"ll just leave this here for you, I must obey the rules of ameridumb land retard:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5080839/When-child-sex-isnt-rape-French-set-age-consent.html
>>751736166
Considering also this was all made up shit anyway because these old ugly feminists want him out of office, you already lost the argument. What happened to innocent before proven guilty or does that only apply to some people?
>>751736441
You're a retard dude, there's no helping you. good luck being mindless.
>>751736485
Nearly half of the country has literally only ONE ISP to "choose" from.
So fuck you and your multiple grocery stores.
i hope someone slits your throat today
>>751736494
no, i live in a suburb.
>>751735041
I've seen berniefags and leldditos hate it to. This is something everyone hates
>>751736555
I have 2 cable and 2 satellite companies, off the top of my head.
>>751736556
so you'd be paying money just to leave your driveway, that's the point
>>751736537
Because this country is a quagmire of fucking morons who love le invisible hand of the free market and think that private companies running everything is great.
I think private companies are fine, but on essential things like communication that are all built on public land and with taxpayer money - the TAXPAYERS should decide how they're used. We SHOULD nationalise it, but our people are too fucking dumb.
>>751736441
It's an analogy you fucking retard. The road you live on doesn't fucking matter.
>>751736165
>voting against people instead of voting for what you believe would benefit society as a whole
What's it like having the emotional level of a 3rd grader?
>>751736614
no, I wouldnt. because nobody is talking about that, we're talking about the internet, which you dont need to use to get to the hospital or anything to stay alive.
>>751735746
>he did not take it any further if they escaped his car
fixed
>>751736511
i wasnt the one you were talking with earlier, so explain what tech companies have to do with allowing my isp to throttle or block websites, charge me extra to access certain websites if they wish, etc.
this isn't tech company vs. isp, it's going to impact us at the consumer level.
>>751736613
Yes but you should get fucked over for the benefit of others because Net Neutrality.
I am confused now am i supposed to be anti trump anti russia anti net neutrality or what?....fail
We'd all be better off with limited access to the internet anyway.
>>751736626
who lives in front of a highway though? white trash.
>>751736626
why do you need an analogy to make your point? you dont know enough about the issue, that's why.
>>751736690
>the argument against net neutrality is that it stifles innovation and communication somehow
>limited access to the internet would *actually* stifle innovation and communication
you're fucking retarded
>>751736663
>explain what tech companies have to do with allowing my isp to throttle or block websites
No you can just go fuck yourself you arrogant liberal cunt. Go get a job.
>>751736652
What you have to say no longer matters because you're a literal retard with serious mental deficits. Sorry, you lose. Enjoy cowtailing to everything because you can't understand it.
>>751736334
What do you mean? if someone wants to be kooked up to the internet they pay a ISP on a regular basis.
if theyre not capable of providing and updating their service they should get kicked out by ISPs that can.
ISPs dont lose money since theyre only providing technical backbones and the allowance to use the internet. costs that should be covered by 20 Bucks paid by pretty much every fucking person in (but not only) the western world.
>>751736747
You're posting on 4chan in the middle of the day. You don't have a job either, shitbag
>>751736334
Thats pure BS, the ISPs just need to fulfill their part of the contract and that's delivering a certain amount of MB/second no matter from where the data is coming.
>>751736442
Robert Taylor was not a member not DARPA
>>751736747
wow, what a persuasive argument. i'm anti-NN now.
>>751736779
I'm not demanding free shit from people like some Net neutrality advocate
>>751736754
your analogy just shows you dont know what youre talking about. if you did you wouldnt need to use an analogy to make your point.
the fact is that net neutrality is an obama-era regulation, and we voted to get rid of ALL obama-era regulations when we elected trump.
>>751736804
Robert Taylor didn't "invent the internet" shithead
>>751736823
>paying for the internet is demanding free shit
You're a fat NEET, lol
>>751736823
We don't either, we demand to get the service we already payed for.
>>751736715
No, I already explained the issue in detail, I was trying to explain it to you fucking knuckledraggers but you clearly are too stupefied by reality to discern anything beyond the mindless void in your skull.
>>751736823
who provides your internet? last time i checked i have to pay for mine.
>>751736841
Net Neutrality existed long before Obama you goddamn troglodyte lmao
The FCC just re-ruled in its favor during the Obama administration when ISPs tried to get rid of it.
jesus fuck you're dumb as hell
No one here is fighting for anything more than to keep their 17 pornhub tabs open at a low cost.
>>751736877
>classic 4chan ad hominem
no, you didnt explain the issue in detail, you said some shit about highways and avocados.
>>751736841
It was explained literally, and you were too stupid to understand it.
It was explained in an analogy a toddler could understand and yet you still fail to understand it.
you lose.
>>751736935
no, it didnt exist back then.
>>751736541
but he confirmed it happened? I mean....is this what shilling has become? you are still pushing your agenda by straight up denying current events?
>>751735675
>being this brainwashed
lel
>>751736293
The law was made in response to AT&T and Comcast attempting to do this, you're just ignorant if you think this is a reality that's not possible without net neutrality
>>751736966
Yes, it did exist back then.
>>751736943
You're a retard. Learn to read if you want anyone to give a fuck about what you have to say. You're just acting a fool, now.
>>751736951
no, you didnt explain it literally. you said the same stupid shit about roads or groceries and now youre making ad hominem attacks like a woman.
>>751736992
nope.
>>751737000
nope, im not a retard. if I couldnt read how could I be communicating with you right now? I think maybe youre the retard.
>>751737017
Yep
Lohr, Steve (March 30, 2017). "Net Neutrality Is Trump's Next Target, Administration Says". New York Times. Retrieved March 31, 2017.
Wyatt, Edward (April 8, 2011). "House Votes Against 'Net Neutrality'". New York Times. Retrieved September 23, 2011.
Staff (February 26, 2015). "FCC Adopts Strong, Sustainable Rules To Protect The Open Internet" (PDF). Federal Communications Commission. Retrieved February 26, 2015.
Ruiz, Rebecca R.; Lohr, Steve (February 26, 2015). "In Net Neutrality Victory, F.C.C. Classifies Broadband Internet Service as a Public Utility". New York Times. Retrieved February 26, 2015.
Flaherty, Anne (February 25, 2015). "FACT CHECK: Talking heads skew 'net neutrality' debate". AP News. Retrieved February 26, 2015.
Osipova, Natalia (May 15, 2014). "How Net Neutrality Works". New York Times.
"AT&T, Comcast Rout Google, Microsoft in Net Neutrality Battle". Bloomberg News. July 20, 2006. Retrieved January 7, 2007.
"Bill Text – 109th Congress (2005–2006) – THOMAS (Library of Congress)". loc.gov. Retrieved February 26, 2015.
Dolasia, Merra (February 12, 2014). "The Debate about Net Neutrality and Why We Should Care". DOGO News.
Wyatt, Edward (April 23, 2014). "F.C.C., in 'Net Neutrality' Turnaround, Plans to Allow Fast Lane". New York Times. Retrieved April 23, 2014.
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Wyatt, Edward (November 10, 2014). "Obama Asks F.C.C. to Adopt Tough Net Neutrality Rules". New York Times. Retrieved November 15, 2014.
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>>751736966
Give it up, dude, you clearly have absolutely no idea what the fuck you are talking about and your know it. You must be used to arguing with your family of troglodytes to think your mindless rambling has any weight, here.
You're glaringly ignorant of what net neutrality is.
>>751736972
When did he confirm anything happened? I he said he didn't even know these girls. I'm sure CNN is implying something different, but you'll believe whatever your liberal buddies want you to believe.
>>751736852
Well thanks for the shit head I am guessing you're 14 by you're need to insult people with out reason
guess not mature enough to have adult conversation. Poor kid
And child there no one person who invented the internet
>>751735351
Are you really that much of a humorless Hillary still that you didn't get that was a joke? I thought people like you were too stupid to even exist, like a full spectrum retarded big foot. You should be put into a scientific journal and then SET ON FIRE FOR THE WORLD TO WATCH, THE MASSES NEED TO SEE YOUR RETARDED FLESH BLACKEN AND CRISP YOU NIGGER FUCKING MONGOLOID KYKE
Why do Net Neutrality Advocates think they should have the right to someone else's ISP why are they such entitled arrogant liberals who cant respect property rights. Why do they think ISPs should be forced to provide additional services to high bandwith users like Netflix for free? Why do they support Corporate welfare? Why Don't they get a job?
>>751737084
In the United States, net neutrality has been an issue of contention among network users and access providers since the 1990s. In February 2004 then Federal Communications Commission Chairman Michael Powell announced a set of non-discrimination principles, which he called the principles of "Network Freedom". In a speech at the Silicon Flatirons Symposium, Powell encouraged ISPs to offer users these four freedoms:[25]
Freedom to access content
Freedom to run applications
Freedom to attach devices
Freedom to obtain service plan information
During the FCC's hearing, the National Cable & Telecommunications Association urged the FCC to adopt the four criteria laid out in its 2005 Internet Policy Statement as the requisite openness. This made up a voluntary set of four net neutrality principles.[28] Implementation of the principles was not mandatory; that would require an FCC rule or federal law.[29] The modified principles were as follows:[30][31]
Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice;
Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement;
Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network; and
Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.
In 2007, Comcast, the largest cable company in the US, was found to be blocking or severely delaying BitTorrent uploads on their network using a technique which involved creating 'reset' packets (TCP RST) that appeared to come from the other party.[33] An August 2007 report noted that ISPs had been throttling BitTorrent traffic for almost two years, since 2005, but Comcast was completely blocking it in at least some cases.[34]
>>751737107
You have no idea what the fuck youre talking about. your dumb and your gay.
now you make a counter argument.
>>751735746
>>being retarded enough to justify child rape
your father hasn't touched you there for a long time, anon?
>>751736299
except it already ISNT that way, and never was. You've been conned into wanting government oversight because of things that never happened
Ford could charge me every month for the ignition in my car to keep starting, or the fuel pump to keep working, but they don't, because its fucking stupid, and i wouldn't buy a Frod
Free market allows you to purchase the product and services you want, it doesn't mandate that all services are exactly the same
>>751737073
If you read but don't understand what you're reading it's not helping either.
>>751737156
nobody is reading your essay. nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd faggot. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that game doesnt require internet.
>>751737229
maybe you should give it up and realize nobody cares what you think.
>>751737223
>implying there's any choice of ISP for the majority of Americans
>>751737255
>i am le arguing about this but I don't care xDDD
epic
>>751736823
ARE AMERICANS REALLY THIS STUPID??
>>751737255
You seem like the color person that would kneel during the national anthem.
>>751735041
Fuck Trump and the jews and pajeets who own him. Fuck you Borris. I can smell your filthy Slav body through my monitor.
>>751735257
Although i support net neutrality, i'll give a counter point.
Regulations hamper innovation.
The more regulated an economy is, the less efficient it is.
net neutrality is a regulation that limits the services that can be provided.
Hypothetically, picture an ISP, lets say Comcast that provides 30gb, 60gb, unlimited internet plans for $30, $45, $60 respectively.
What if by removing the regulations, they could add a new plan
Free, but you can only access websites that comcast approve, like Disney, Hulu, fox tv, and basic emails. Youtube and wikipedia are disabled on the free plan.
And its free because Comcast get a small kickback from the above's ad revenue.
That's a innovative product, and a reason for repealing net neutrality.
There are probably other possibilities that exist that i haven't thought of, but works out along the line of a reduced functionality of a product for a reduced cost.
Free market economics.
The real concern is that the US has the most fucking bullshit ISP companies in the 1st world.
Its not a free market in that regard, because there is no competition, and many places its a monopoly. The large telecom companies don't even contest one another because they are happy providing an overpriced under performing service and don't want to rock the boat.
Without the safeguards of NN or open competition, its just another tool for the ISPs to price gouge consumers.
Disclaimer:
Its 4am and i'm going to sleep, so i'm not going to see any reply
I also don't live in the US, but in NZ. Your FCC isn't going to do shit for my countries internet one way or the other.
This is a US problem. And frankly, if any of your governments did its job and smashed the telecom companies so there was active competition, you wouldn't be worrying about this shit either.
>>751736982
Good counter argument.
>>751735640
Kys, she’s for net neutrality. She irrelevant now anyway.
>>751737329
I would only kneel during it if I was already kneeling, which I dont do. I'm the kind of person who doesnt get why we play the national anthem at a sporting event.
>>751737289
Thats the point in many places in the usa there's no choice. Its just like EA buying your favorite Franchise.
>>751737196
>being retarded enough to still believe something is what it isn't in spite of evidence proving otherwise.
You liberals still choose emotion over logic every single fucking time.
>>751737356
it isnt 4 am you retard, it's 1015. get a clock, dumbass.
So a summary reading of this thread reveals there are two camps.
PRO Net Neutrality proponents seem to have a thorough understanding of the issue, in a partisan-free assessment of what is beneficial to the people of the United States and its economy.
ANTI Net Neutrality proponents have no idea what net neutrality even is, let alone why it should or should not exist and are incapable or rational assessment beyond partisan politics.
I'd say any rational assessment clearly shows where the merit lies and what's immature nonsense.
>>751736044
She was 14 and yeah that’s nasty. He’s obviously wanting to fuck kids. Fuck Roy Moore and the degenerative pedophilic Republican Party.
The worse you get with the left are traps, bu they’re of age and consenting. Republicans like little kids. Sick shit.
>>751737495
>republicans like little kids
they have family values, man.
>>751737377
So you're an America hating welfare nigger who wants $15 an hour making french fries. Got it. Put in a little effort you glorified monkey and maybe you will earn a raise, keep your black fingers out of my wallet.
>>751737356
That wouldn't happen. They would limit their normal service and provide an premium to make more money. Regulation of the market is nessesary because ISP companies are monopolies in some areas and constantly trying to maximaze their profit.
>>751736440
Liberalism in men is a due to a chemical imbalance in men (pic related) AKA LOW TEST
>>751737283
You can't see it from your end but multiple people are responding to your chain of nonsense, because, like me, they probably feel sorry for you, you that someone that stupid exists, and we're trying to educate you.
>>751737495
You're gay. Or fat feminist whale. There's no other explanation for your denial.
>>751736982
You're an idiot.
>>751737425
Arrogant liberal posting at its finest
>>751737356
Edit:
I'll see any replys in the morning, but the thread will die before i can reply.
Also comcast was shit and great at nickel and diming.
Also for perspective, in NZ you can get unlimited 200/200Mbps internet for 62usd a month.
If any one of 12+ available isps tried to pull the net neutrality bullshit on me, i'd swap to one of the 11 other providers that cost about the same.
>>751737554
nobody cares about net neutrality you nerd. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that little game doesnt require internet.
>>751737255
AHAHAHAAHA
YOU JUST GOT BTFO, and now you're like "nope didn't read!" like a literal little kid.
LMAO
>>751737255
You're a nigger.
>>751737686
no i didnt get btfo you little nerd.
>>751735041
Are you a fucking moron? The Jewish globalists are not for net neutrality. You're giving up your freedom you dense faggot
Don't bring politics into this. Its whether you support freedom or not. Same instance with the godawful patriot act
>>751737724
youre a nerd.
>>751735675
This guy gets it, but the fact that this was not the first response worries me. People on this site would rather cry about trump vs clinton than explain that net neutrality is good.Yes, I am aware this is 4chan but come on guys, you don't have to be dumb on purpose ALL the time.
Republicans love giving their money to corporations who don't need it. Republicans lovvvveeeeee thinking that anything that benefits corporations is good for them ad well. What fucking cancer.
>>751737765
they arent going to make packages for accessing websites.
>>751737623
Wrong, I'm a republican. Care to tell me what's liberal or arrogant about that post?
I'm giving you a chance to show you aren't a retard. But we all know how you're respond. Go ahead. Show us what's on your mind other than mindless partisan politics.
>>751737393
The logical side here would be anti net neutrality as letting it through would flood gates for company's to play the government for faster speeds and blockade there competitor's
>>751737319
yes
>>751737765
Why do i care if Liberals cant afford to post on the Internet? fuck them read this thread and tell me why i should give a single fuck about them.
>>751737657
>>751737743
>>751737759
>nobody cares about net neutrality
So what are you doing here getting BTFO about it little boy? we can see you.
>>751737657
>nobody cares about net neutrality you nerd. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival, I know that little game doesnt require internet.
If people haven't noticed this shilling is usually posted at least once or twice in every net neutrality thread
>>751737837
>i am not posting like an arrogant liberal
Okay Libtard.
>>751737901
because it's funny to see how worked up people get over something that doesnt matter.
>>751736293
>>>751735675
>I remember before 2015 where i had to pay for site packages. Oh wait??
Title II was specifically made to prevent that from happening, because greedy ISP lobbying was getting out of hand
Now, Pajeet shit in a street wants to kill that. Think there's a reason why the only companies supporting the removal are large ISPs?
>>751737916
you dont know what "shilling" means.
Fuck it, lets just do away with all regulations.
I think Exxon-Mobil should be able to control the MPG on my car, because I bought gasoline from them. They have a special deal with Target, so I'll get 50 MPG when driving to target, and only 10 MPG when driving to Wal-Mart. What a good fucking deal.
This is what you sound like when you argue against net neutrality.
>>751737900
If I'm going by just this thread, then they're obviously much more intelligent than you, but what you don't understand is that the people on here advocating net neutrality are fellow republicans that you are simply too stupid to see beyond your divisive and irrational mindset.
Honestly, you probably lack the reasoning to even understand it, or you aren't even trying, from the way you're acting.
>>751737888
Could you run that through your russian troll translator one more time so it’s readable please
>>751737925
Well said, you really showed him exactly what he expected you to say and proved you're just as idiotic as he imagines you to be. Congratulations!
>>751737900
liberals tend to live in big cities where there are multiple service providers. liberals are probably in better shape as far as this thing goes.
I don't think OP's picture is right, because 4chan will be one of the first things to go away if net neutrality goes away...
Or it will be bought out and repackaged to be more like reddit...except more heavily regulated, by the Warner Bros/AT&T merger...which since net neutarlity no longer exists, only people with Time Warner/AT&T service can look at 4chan.
Because without net neutrality, everything because monetized for ISP's like Verizon, and you can end up with a situation where if Verizon partners with Amazon, you can only view Amazon through that service. Sorry T-Mobile.
>>751738008
>writing entire paragraphs trying to refute someones perspective of reality
Wew. Time to fuck off Libtard.
>>751738093
trump will surely pardon 4chan
>>751735963
Actually the end user pays for the bandwidth. The "tech giants" pay to have the data trasmitted by paying their isp and then people pay their own isps to have the data delivered to them.
>>751737551
As I implied.
The biggest problem you have isn't net neutrality, its how your communication companies have established monopolies and refuse to compete.
If your government was working in the best interests of your nation, they'd smash those companies and punish them any number of ways.
Our government did here in NZ, we had one telecom country in the whole of NZ that was once goverment owned, but was sold to the private sector with some limits imposed.
One being the max they could raise their prices would be a generious 4% a year. When under the goverment it was averagin about 1%
well 10 years of private sector ownership raising the price 4% year upon year, and it was clear how much price gouging was happening.
But what could anyone do.
They owned all the copper lines that connected all the homes.
A new telecom company would require a monumental investment laying down a second pair of lines and tearing up the roads and pavements to lay them.
It was utterly impractical.
Our government stepped in and split the telecom into two.
One which owned the cables, and another which provided the service. And the prices for using those lines were set by the government.
And instantly there was competition, to contest the monopoly now only required a rental agreement from the line company.
And well things have been great ever since.
If any of the bullshit happened where my services got limited unless i paid more, i'd just swap to another ISP provided. The cables aren't owned by any ISP, and anyone with a few thousand can start ISP of their own.
So what i've tried to say is this
Net Neturality isn't the biggest problem you have, its your ISPs are so shitty as is your lack of choices.
>>751738104
No, just responding to a question. Unlike you, most people don't have these huge and irrational megalomaniac fantasies of some kind of a partisan struggle, you poor fool.
>>751738127
lol kek, because Trump always respects those that have helped him get where he is now
>>751738081
They also tend to be poor but at least you made an effort so for that you earnt a bit of respect.
>>751735041
Isn't it enough you russian trolls helped trump win the election. Do you need to destroy their internet too?
>>751735041
Liberal freeloaders want to communism to run the internet instead of freemarket capitalism.
Trump gave us too much freedom for that bullshit.
Fuck net neutrality and all Obongos commie schemes. You aren't entitled to anything.
>>751738166
nobody is reading your essay.
>>751737900
That's not what it's about. Take the MAGA hat off and let some blood get to your brain. If an ISP doesn't like a website for any reason, you now pay extra to access that site. Do you not see how potentially dangerous that is. Imagine the only news site you could access was Buzzfeed. I'm surprised you yanks aren't screaming "free speech" about this.
>>751738093
It's trolling dude. Isn't it obvious? It should have major tech companies on one side along with the politicians against it, and literally everyone else on the other if it was accurate.
>>751738166
I'm from NZ and i say Scrap Net Neutrality so i dont have this shit clogging up my screen, you cunts can go back to using smoke signals.
>>751735041
fixed that for ya
>>751738201
no they dont.
>>751737425
>Democrats are smart and understand the issues
>Republicans are dumb and vote for wharglbargl
>>751738223
>That's not what it's about. Take the MAGA hat off and let some blood get to your brain.
opinion discarded.
>>751738223
I will rape your asshole until it is gaping and blown out with my free speech and my guns.
>>751738293
Anon i am going to blow you the fuck out if you respond that they aren't poor one more time.
>>751737551
I'll also add, here in NZ
we don't have net neutrality.
Doesn't mean we have all this bullshit.
>>751736220
you've obviously never been to a Whole Foods kek
>>751737993
>I need the government to regulate everything, and i'm willing to hand control over to them because something bad might happen and i don't understand capitalism and free markets
This is what you sound like in favor of net neutrality
>>751738349
go ahead and blow me the fuck out then. they arent poor, people in cities make more than rednecks.
>>751738223
He's trolling dude. He'll respond to you with something like "I don't even watch buzzfeed, why would it matter"
As far as I can tell, every single person here against net neutrality is a troll or literally can not fathom an actual argument against net neutrality. so far everyone here for net neutrality explains the case clearly, while the others here have one thing to say "OBAMA".
This has to be trolling.
>>751738203
See you then. Since the internet will be even more divided than the Xbox userbase from the PS4 userbase,
Actually, depending on who you have for a service provider, Xbox users across the country may never see eachother online, ever, if there's no net neutrality
>>751735675
It's ironic hearing trump supporters and pol supporting this and yet they want limited government but they're going to let the government tell them how to use their fucking Internet haha
That Image is not even close, not even in the same multiverse as the correct order of folks.
>>751736165
You mean like how the government uses judeo-christian views as the moral compass for our country, and use "faith" as their reasoning.
>>751738036
Yer my grammer was lacking there, dam my dyslexia
Basically net neutrality will open the flood gate for government lobbying
>>751738314
No child, you wont.
>>751738303
and this is why they shouldn't let idiots vote, I saw something I didn't like so I stopped listening.
>>751738409
Correct, I just don't get the allure of pretending to be dumb on purpose...
If there is ANYONE here that has a real argument against net neutrality, I'd love to hear it.
Because the pro-net neutrality camp has made a very clear and compelling case, and all I here from the other side is literal ad hominem rubbish and baseless partisan politics.
so again, is there ANYONE here with a real argument against net neutrality? Seriously anyone?
>>751735257
Basically the argument against net neutrality is that it will allow the ISPs to partition up internet for cheaper packages. So poor households or elderly people can be offered internet that will go to say... A thousand, five thousand, ten thousand (Idk) websites chosen by the isp at normal or faster than normal speed. Websites not under their package they will either be unable to reach or the speed will be much slower. Websites will then be able to buy preferential treatment to be on certain packages that the consumer will buy. If you want internet as it is now you will have to buy a higher end package (similar to getting cable with ESPN unlimited, HBO, Showtime, Cinemax, Starz, The Movie Channel, NFL, ect) at a higher cost. It ends up being a money grab for the ISPs and a way to throttle websites for more money and to control information.
>>751738409
Holy crap this.
Everyone here better start liking Tumblr because that might be the only thing available to you.
If Verizon or Spectrum consider 4chan to volitile, they may just block it completely, and you'll have to have some small time ISP that doesn't care like Optimum or something to view it,
>>751738391
No. I cant take any NN advocate seriously after this you don't even know reality.
lol the major ISP's are complete niggers when it comes to buisnes. The fact that they think that just because the law is on their side they can suddenly start fucking everyone over is hilarious. The moment that happens people will raise up in arms and completely obliterate them. Hur I got my law passed does not equal submission of the populace. People will get voted into office simply on the premise of re-establishing net neutrality. Then we will file class action lawsuits for collusion and anti-trust. When it's all said and done the CEO's that will be laughing in a few weeks will be crying in a few years. In jail.
>>751736041
You literally just contradicted yourself.
>>751738542
And this benefits the people of the United States, HOW?
>>751738596
those arent statistically significant figures. theyre basically the same.
>>751738665
I'm sorry just stop you are delusional just like NN advocates wanting free shit.
>>751738487
Aren't you the guys that want a larger state that puts more government in our lives? Aren't you giving more of your power and freedom away every time it increases?
>>751735041
If you're against net neutrality, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING ON THIS SITE?
4chan won't even exist, let along be accessible if net neutrality is gone. I hope you like nick.com, facebook.com, and all those other pop sites that will be able to afford the "internet fees" from their overlords.
>>751738596
Republicans hate taxes but don't mind getting raped by corporations. Makes sense I guess.
>>751738531
>et neutrality camp has made a very clear and compelling case, and all I here from the other side is literal ad hominem rubbish and baseless partisan politics.
see:
>>751737356
>>751738726
explain how the figure you provided supports your argument that liberals tend to be poor. (because it doesnt)
>>751738409
actually i see a lot of fools here who think that net nutrality means that cable companies can do whatever they want and the govt has to stay out of it, and when you say it like that it almost sounds like it might be a good thing, but the reality is that the FCC is basically setting up anti-trust/monolopy laws to keep big sites from buying up all the bandwidth making smaller sites like 4chan load slower or be a permium service from your cable company so that they can charge you more money.
>>751738767
you fucked up break it down by party.
>>751738836
Are you blind?
>>751738796
To understand the politics you have to get under the facade they use to appeal to the constituency of drones.
To oversimplify it, they ARE the corporations. all politicians are in the pockets of some companies, it just depends who and which ones and how deep.
>>751738726
Do you have even the faintest idea of what NN Is? Drop the fucking commie talk and use your head.
>>751735041
>I don't have a good argument against net neutrality so I'll go full ad hominem.
>>751738527
Not trying to be a dick or anything, but could you explain in a bit more detail how?
I’m genuinely interested in both sides of the argument but I can’t wrap my head around the anti net neutrality’s position, I’ve combed through section 706 and I can’t see anything horrific about it.
It’s more about promoting isp competition than protecting how fast I can download porn
>>751738885
no. it looks like theyre basically even for 2016.
>>751738885
break it down by party? or break it down urban vs rural, which was what we were originally arguing about.
Hilarious, Smug Liberals confidently assert they are richer than Republicans and BTFO themselves and their Net Neutrality arguments out of the water. I'm going to kek so hard when you cant afford to post on nigger tits anymore.
>>751735041
>choosing your position on an issue not based on actual cold hard facts but on which political party supports it/doesn't support it
And this is why democracy was a mistake.
>>751738642
It doesn't but that's never once stopped the GOP and it wont stop Trump now.
>>751737356
yeah except 99% of websites you use regularly are hosted here, 4chan wont have enough cash to be on a premium plan, this site will load slower for the whole world....
>>751739027
Wrong i argued that they wont be able to afford services in the city because they are poor. You got BTFO again you ignorant NN advocate nigger.
>>751739002
>basically even
So they aren't even and Democrats are poorer than Republicans? GG NN Advocates GG you lose.
>>751738757
While I'm for net neutrality, I don't see why 4chan wouldn't exist if net neutrality laws were repealed. It's more of a bandwidth issue, not a content issue. I doubt 4chan uses enough bandwidth for ISP's to care.
>>751739166
you didnt show anything that would suggest most liberals in cities are too poor to afford services.
>>751739102
That's a very divisive and partisan answer you made. If you're trying to spread the truth, you might want to keep the obvious hate down to a minimum. It's distracting. It's divisive. It doesn't help.
Both Republicans and Democrats are in the same business. Two arms of the same body. Things are dramatically simplified to feed to the people and all they understand is left or right, but when talking about individual policy, isn't it best to refrain from bringing the partisan politics into it?
>>751738642
It doesn't really benefit the whole United States at all. In a small part it will allow a small amount of lower income people a limited version of the internet. ISPs also claim it will allow them to spend more on improving their infrastructure... Which probably isn't true.
I wish they would keep net neutrality and then change internet service into a utility and not a private service.
All these opinionated niggers on both sides of the isle yet few of have read all 300 pages of the legal bullshit in which they are trying to change
>>751739301
>hey you guys over there on the left and on the right are messing shit up
>somehow this isnt partisan
>>751739217
Are you trying to tell me that poor liberals Live in the countryside now? AHAHAHAHA
>>751739351
no.
>>751737900
because when NN is gone 4chan wont have the $ to compete with larger sites so YOU wont be able to post here either
>>751739174
It's simple, dude. 4chan won't be on the list. It won't be on any list, except the blacklist.
That goes for the majority of websites in existence. The popular ones are a tiny minority, and they're the cash cows that will get the focus and bandwidth.
>>751737140
These people are real folks, look at this cringe.
>>751739407
I dont care not one thing i have read in this thread makes me want to help you insufferable faggots.
>>751739350
How is it partisan to point out that it's meaningless to bring partisan politics into it?
It's like me telling you to stop saying "fuck" as every other word, and you're like "But you just said fuck' Come on, get real.
>>751739474
>I don't care about the shit in my mouth as long as others have to smell my breath
Ill never understand you retards
>>751739474
then gtfo kid practice for when nn is gone and go for a hike
>>751739474
Thankfully, nobody here needs your help. If I read the thread right, they were trying to just educate you, but your ego is amusing.
>>751739496
because youre talking from the point of view of the "third side." youre doing the same partisan shit by saying their partisan shit is ruining our shit. you are a bigot.
>>751739336
>nigger cant even count
its 461 pages combined
>>751736108
yeah I don't see how this negates the need to repeal net neutrality, we live in a free market com--pays have been impeded long enough and should be free to move with accordance with our free market economy, right??
>>751739516
>>751739520
>>751739553
Thanks for proving the point. You idiots get mad because you cant even read graphs.
>>751735041
daily reminder:
Net Neutrality essentially means that the internet is treated as a utility, meaning that ISPs cant throttle or charge more money for access to certain sites/content.
There's nothing hypothetical about what ISPs will do when net neutrality is eliminated.
2005 - Madison River Communications was blocking VOIP services. The FCC put a stop to it.
2005 - Comcast was denying access to p2p services without notifying customers.
2007-2009 - AT&T was having Skype and other VOIPs blocked because they didn't like there was competition for their cellphones. 2011 - MetroPCS tried to block all streaming except youtube. (edit: they actually sued the FCC over this)
2011-2013, AT&T, Sprint, and Verizon were blocking access to Google Wallet because it competed with their bullshit. This one happened literally months after the trio were busted collaborating with Google to block apps from the android marketplace
2012, Verizon was demanding google block tethering apps on android because it let owners avoid their $20 tethering fee. This was despite guaranteeing they wouldn't do that as part of a winning bid on an airwaves auction. (edit: they were fined $1.25million over this)
2012, AT&T - tried to block access to FaceTime unless customers paid more money.
2013, Verizon literally stated that the only thing stopping them from favoring some content providers over other providers were the net neutrality rules in place.
>>751739413
Why would 4chan be on a blacklist? I still don't see it. Going to 4chan or any other message board doesn't use enough bandwidth for ISPs to care. This is more an attack on P2P and file sharing.
>>751738865
>smaller sites like 4chan
C'mon, i know we like to pretend to be edgy underground leets, but 4chan is fucking huge. If anything Nip Moot is going to get offers for kickback/partner sponsorship if this gets repealed.
>>751739580
What the fuck are you talking about? There is no third side, The US is a two party system. Grow the fuck up. I'm saying it's irrelevant to say political bullshit around net neutrality, because it's bigger than that. It's not a partisan issue at all, and to make it that is foolish and extremely suspect.
>>751739618
What happened to the "I don't care as long as you have to suffer?" Kys
>>751739637
nobody cares about net neutrality you fucking nerd. why dont you go to a dungeons and dragons festival? I know that game doesnt require internet.
>>751739618
We could read the graphs just fine, but they provided no relevant information, and they certainly didn't mean what you acted like they meant.
