why is net neutrality bad?
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why is net neutrality bad?
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Because these poorfags are trying to take away our right to a free market
>>751727689
it isn't
Do you remember 2014, the dark years where streaming didn't exist and you have to pay $5 per website on your plan
no you fucking retards because it never happened. internet was great for 30 years, net neutrality comes along, and now it's all trannies and shit.
obviously net neutrality needs to go
>>751730377
I wonder how much do they pay you? Are they still hiring?
>>751727689
Because corporations having no government regulations is how Blade Runner happens.
>>751730377
Is repealing net neutrality going to give you the ability to structure a coherent argument in the basic coverage or is that in a different package?
>>751730906
????? So what is your rebuttal? Hm? Oh you don't have a defense? Haha. Silly retard.
>Tosses a (you) on the ground
Pick that shite up,nigger.
>>751730377
your allowing companies to privatise an free market.
if you dont understand how that effects you as a consumer, i cant explain it to you.
>>751727689
Because enforcing restrictions on technology prevents advancements. Most of the technologies behind the internet as we know it today are vital in order for it to function properly, and are also completely against neutrality principles.
If the internet was made truly neutral, it would be unusable.
>>751731121
i asked coz i am genuinly interested in the job.
Shitposting for a living sounds great.
>>751731131
your not enforcing restrictions on technology, your enforcing companies subdividing the internet up into different paid packages.
meaning for your point its counter productive, considering the largest companies will always have the highest ability to afford optimum bandwidth, and new innovative companies wont be able to get website access because of their connectivity.
>>751731264
No, that's what you WANT to enforce. But what you are actually enforcing is NEUTRALITY.
Think of it this way. You know how cellphones can make emergency calls without a sim card? That is a violation of net neutrality. You cannot have network access that is free, when all other network access is charged for.
Now you're gonna say "yeah but that is for emergency purposes and thats fine", but no, its not. If you enforce NEUTRALITY everything MUST BE NEUTRAL. You cannot have exceptions to the rules because this is a LAW. It is applied equally across everything. You know how certain packages allow for free netflix, or free social media. That is anti neutrality and is not allowed.
I understand wanting to prevent ISPs from fucking people over, but neutrality is a blanket nuke that will destroy everything and prevent a lot of advancements from taking place.
>>751727689
It's not, but Title II is.
>>751730377
>>751731539
Thanks for the run down Ajit.
Lying fucker
>>751727689
You know how you think it's ridiculous to pay $20 for a 4chan pass to override captcha?
Imagine having to pay $20 for a 4chan pass to access 4chan.
Or if you are a passcuck now you're paying double to farm your memes
>>751727689
Control and it will give rise for darknet. I'm for it.
>>751731539
thats exactly how it doesn't work.....
currently your given a 1 payment fee your connection, which is untapped and can access any website that you want.
advertly, if you get ride of net neutrality, the same thing applies, except your service provider now has the ability to sub divide what it deems fit, and attach specific bandwidth to that division.
>>751731688
How is this a difficult concept?
You don't have to take my word for anything, you just need to have an ounce of logic.
The definition of Net Neutrality:
Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating most of the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication
So, if you understand that definition, how can emergency calls on a network be free? How is that not charging differently based on content? How can social media access be free? How is that not charging different based on website or application?
This isn't fucking rocket science, its incredibly basic logic that requires a small amount of intelligence and for you to not be sucking John Olivers dick constantly.
>>751731539
i am surprised you are able to write and breath at the same time. Unless you holded your breath during writing this utter bullshit. And considering your mental capabilities, it took you about 10 minutes. Your brain might have died a bit, but hey, it's not as if you used it, right?
>>751731839
Oh, so you are not simply retarded, you are either extreme capitalist who wants to pay for calling 911 or even worse, a communist who wants everything for free!
>please exterminate yourself.
>>751731798
I think you lack a fundamental understanding of net neutrality if you think you will even be able to access the darknet when ISPs start having the ability to slow/stop traffic.
>>751731848
>holded
>>751731839
>So, if you understand that definition, how can emergency calls on a network be free? How is that not charging differently based on content? How can social media access be free? How is that not charging different based on website or application?
you understand that your comparing two different things right ?
not all the correlations you relying on are actually there.
>>751731969
its lead to the rise of real pirates, not the fake wonabe kids of today.
"that'll be $20 to view Dickhands McGee"
-no net neutrality
>>751731839
Emergency contact systems predate the internet and aren't a part of it. There is no content being accessed that hasn't been an institution of local communities for years (ie you cannot free dial emergency services in another area, it is routed locally and therefore cannot actually be considered the same as accessing the network).
What I don't get is why you're so hung up on this one aspect that really doesn't have anything to do with net neutrality, nor is it a good example of how net neutrality is a bad thing... because it isn't. Fuck man, get rid of net neutrality and that'd be like a library charging more for books that they don't want you to access because it doesn't fit their agenda.
>>751727689
Because corporations with no regulation is how the great depression happened
>>751731824
Yes, it has that right. And I understand that that is potentially an undesirable consequence of getting rid of net neutrality.
But the doomsayers have told you that the sky is falling, and it doesn't have to be that way.
Imagine this: Comcast comes out with a new "package" called "T3h 1337 gamer lel xD".
In this package you get the following.
100meg priority connection to steam, origin, uplay, blizzards launcher etc. Any platform that is designated as gaming related.
100meg priority connection to anything that is considered a game server. The bandwidth is unimportant, but the connection is priorities for stability.
100meg connection to twitch/hitbox/any game streaming service.
10meg connection to youtube
10meg connection to social media
10meg connection to netflix
10meg connection to other normy shit lel amirite xD
And becuase of that, you pay LESS than a 100meg connection would cost, because netflix is 60% of all internet usage and YOU DONT GIVE A FUCK ABOUT NETFLIX, so you pay less.
That kind of deal is possible without net neutrality, and its BENEFICIAL to certain users. Power users can customise their internet connection and pay less because of it. And some fuckers need to pay more. If 99% of your internet usage is Netflix, then fuck you, you are saturating the local network with bullshit, and you need to pay more, and you should pay more. If you don't watch netflix, then your costs deserve to be subsidised by the people that do.
Yeah, ISPs can fuck shit up completely without net neutrality. They can also offer really cool shit and implement really fucking cool technologies. Stop assuming the worst.
>>751732125
legit this
i hope your enjoy your forced monopolies, because that what this will do.
it could literally kill facebook and google in a year, thats why there fighting it so hard.
>>751731986
does me not being a native english speaker make my point invalid? No, don't answer, for your limited mind i am already either a random mudslim or even worse, a white person with some dignity.
>>751732125
IT
DOESNT
MATTER
You cant fucking pick and choose what you do and don't want from neutrality. That isn't how the fucking law works.
>>751732204
speak american you fuck
>>751732182
the mass conlusion on the networks will decrease efficiency, you might not get the results your looking for because theres ALOT more internal traffic.
also
>>751732201
forced monopolies sounds like dictatorship commie shit to me.
>>751732182
>He is just an art school reject, stop assuming the worst
>>751732300
okay then.
HURR DURR UR RETARDED! USA USA USA! GIMME MY BUDLIGHT AND LET ME SHOOT SOME NIGGERS
>>751732182
uhm... you're not asking people to stop assuming the worst. You're asking people to stop assuming that money hungry corporations that don't give a shit about offering you convenience and have proved so in the past, won't attempt to get a stranglehold of the market and completely make it an impossibly uphill battle for any new companies to attempt to enter said market. I shouldn't have to tell you why this is bad.
Also do you have any concept how much BETTER, FOR CHEAPER, internet companies all over the US could be doing but don't in the interest of sapping as much money out of their archaic, purposefully throttled infrastructure before they move on to the next tier of data demands from their consumers?
>>751732182
It might be nice if things like that were on the cards, but you're not factoring in local monopolies that several ISPs have or the way that the reason we have the current laws is that ISPs wanted to fuck over users who wanted to use internet access to reach services owned by companies competing with the ISPs.
In a vacuum, the idea doesn't sound that bad. But then you remember this is the real world, the ISPs have a track record of being dicks, and the reason the current laws exist is that they went too far with their dickery last time but now want to go further and are trying for a repeal.
>>751732371
Hey, I'm not saying it will DEFINITELY work out, I'm saying there are more possibilities than the media are covering. From most mainstream coverage, one would think that net neutrality is the OBVIOUS choice and anyone against it is the fucking devil himself. Or Hitler.
In reality, as it always is, its more nuanced than that. There are other angles an play here.
>>751731969
It already happened and who needs speeds
>>751729250
Yeah I want the time warner-comcast monopoly to charge me $1000 to get faster internet
>>751732260
EMERGENCY CONTACT SERVICES HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH NET NEUTRALITY
Get it through your fucking skull. You're arguing for the comparison of two things that aren't comparable. AND FOR YOUR FUCKING INFORMATION, the law constantly changes and is nuanced as fuck. Like holy shit, do you not understand the very argument you're hiding behind?
>>751732485
You know, I miss the days when i was as pure and naive as you.
>>751732182
>10mb to youtube or netflix
Have fun watching in 144P at a buttery smooth 15fps
On a more serious note, that's what people *hope* will happen for the sake of supporting their argument against net-neutrality. But that's not how it's going to work. You already see this with TV packages. You get a flood of useless shit in each package, with one or two things you would actually use. Then they charge exorbitant prices to add more onto that package. This isn't even a valid argument from the start, yet Anti-NN clings to it as it's the only vaguely possible truth.
And even if it becomes "ideal", what you are going to end up with is the same price you pay now, except with axed speeds in less-common internet usage areas via your "package".
more like NUT neutrality
get it? like my nutsack
>>751732260
But it is you fucking imbecile, try seeing this topic from a pro society point of view instead of an autistic black and white thinking.
>>751732588
/thread
>>751732604
In addition, this: >>751732562
>>751731539
>You know how certain packages allow for free netflix, or free social media. That is anti neutrality and is not allowed.
Yeah, you’re full of shit. There is no “free” anything - company you’re purchasing the service from covers the cost for access to the “free” incentive package you’re getting and part of your payments to Company A pays for that freebie. That’s how it works. No one gets a free ride, and everyone gets paid.
>I understand wanting to prevent ISPs from fucking people over, but neutrality is a blanket nuke that will destroy everything and prevent a lot of advancements from taking place.
More bullshit. You sure youre not the shitstain running the FCC?
Neutrality enforces same access to the internet across the board - you want a certain amount of connectability? You pay $X amount for it, you can get it, anyone can get it. Moreover, your ISP like AT&T can’t fuck you over with net neutrality by blackmailing, sorry - “hard negotiating” with the services you want to connect to like Netflix so if they don’t also pay a special premium they, which also means you, get the bandwidth to their site cut so it makes streaming a movie nearly impossible because Netflix didn't like the extortion threat.
Except for Netflix, it won’t be just AT&T demanding this - it’ll be AT&T, Sprint, Verizon, Cox Communications, Dish TV, aka any ISP service provider who would wonderfully have the ability now to double and triple charge for anything they wish to consider a “premium” service - Netflix, Twitch, Twitter, HBO, Playboy, etc.
And by double or triple charging I mean they get to charge the individual for their internet service like they do now, they also get to charge any premium service provider mentioned above, but they could also potentially find a way to charge places like Cloudflare which is just a middleman for all kinds of places that premium services use and that the individual connects through without often knowing.
>>751731798
Ever try watching a video on tor my guy?
>>751732448
>>751732453
This kind of malicious behaviour is kept in line by two things. Government regulations and the free market. I am not strictly against government regulations, but I am against this one.
Its unimportant, but I am educated in computer science, and I know that neutrality, or the act of treating all data on a network the same, is death to network optimisation. The creator of the internet protocol is against net neutrality for this very reason.
If you want to make networks better, you have to make them smarter, and net neutrality puts a limit on what kind of information a network can look into in order to optimise.
And once again, I'm not saying that the ISPs are going to play ball and everything is going to be great and pornhub will stream on every device at Ultra HD. I'm just saying you shouldn't demonise people who are against net neutrality, because there are legitimate reasons to be against it.
>>751730906
First of all, Net Neutrality has been in place since the internet's inception. It became an issue in the mid 1990s initially, and conservatives were concerned that liberal owned companies would or could throttle bandwidth to sites which weren't in line with their politics. So for a time, everyone agreed that there should be no limits on speed, that any site any where should have the same access as any others for the same price.
Along comes Comcast, Verizon, etc, as well as the end of anti-monopoly laws.
Now they want to charge you extra to access certain sites at the same speed. The argument that these regulations "stifle innovation" is absolute and utter garbage. What it does do is allow those with more money to have access to better speeds and more of the public. What it also does is allows Comcast, Verizon, AT&T, Time Warner no longer have to upgrade their pipes in order to keep up with demand. Just charge MORE for faster speeds, and throttle everyone else.
Look, fucking INDONESIA has better internet speeds than the US. Norway, Sweden, the vast majority of even third world Asian nations have better, more reliable speeds, because the governments and private businesses invest in infrastructure. US companies? They don't give a fuck. They want to put the squeeze on us for as long and for as much as they can, and they'll keep squeezing until we cry loud enough, then upgrade.
We're talking about companies with the abject lowest approval ratings in the world for service. No shit. Look that up and see for yourself.
So stop sucking the corporate dick, faggot.
>>751732770
you are asking a toddler if he ever rode a bicycle
It's not. Corporate media will have the ability to shut out competing news stations. Dumbass fringe right-wing media will be virtually eliminated. Our current political shit show will turn into a 1984-style oppressive state. Which probably will be better than the tards we have now.
>>751729250
>our right
spoken like a true capitalist fat-cat.
>>751732770
I watched two
>>751732842
>I'm against net neutrality
>Stop sucking corporate dick
choose one
>>751732604
I completely agree with this. There are very real and legitimate reasons to be pro net neutrality. But there are also reasons to be against it, and being so does not make me stupid or evil. It just means I see things in a different way.
net neutrality is not the ONLY answer. Its not the OBVIOUS answer. Its one of many answers, and people need to start seeing that, rather than labeling everyone else as a shill, or evil, or stupid.
>>751732842
did you even READ the post i was replying to, you nigger?
no, of course not. you jumped to conclusion i was insulting someone defending the net neutrality.
>try your chances at winning the darwin award please.
B O O T L I C K E R S G E T O U T
>>751732810
Global experience, and especially the US experience, shows that ISPs will just collude and fuck the customer unless the government puts its big boots on.
Clearly this isn't something the free market will resolve.
>>751732991
Must have been an exciting first time if you went in for seconds.
>>751732843
Can't wait to see the reaction on their faces once they figure it out.
>>751732810
>mfw finally understanding your position
Well, gee, can't argue with your education in computer science... nor the fact that restricting data access (while we currently have the full ability to monitor said data access) definitely doesn't fly in the face of network optimisation. So... you know, the direction the internet as a whole has been going since it's institution in our infrastructure for the last uh, what? Solid twenty plus years has totally been on its deathbed. Yep. Death to network optimisation. Plain as day. Right there. You can see it- OH WAIT YOU CAN'T.
>>751732417
Praise Jesus
>>751733100
>glorious PC master race
>the fps and internet speed as great as in late 90'
>>751733100
Nite C:
>>751733166
Nigger I was still using dial-up in the late 90s, the fuck you say.
>>751733020
this is an agreeable statement.
and by the same logic, you should also allow communism to have a fair go because in theory it works.
I have a genius idea. Lets just give control over the internet to the government! If they can control how data is distributed, what is stopping them from controlling what data is distributed?
Heres another reason to not want net neutrality. Imagine the government comes along and says the post office must charge the same shipping for all packages. Do you think youre going to be able to ship a big package as if it was a postcard, or do you think youre going to be paying the cost of a big package to ship your letters?
Net neutrality was never needed and still isnt. If you dont like how your isp does business, boycott it or switch. You dont need government to step in to solve your problems with your isp (which have never existed)
>>751733286
... thatsthejoke.gif
>>751733286
well, shit, i guess it was too hard for you to get the internet in arkansas.
>even Poland had internet in late 90s. slow as shit, but we had it.
>>751733075
No, its your experience. I understand that you think its the objective global experience, but you don't know what that is, and your biases affect your perception of that experience.
People like to demonise certain entities, even when its not necessarily justified. That isn't to say that its never justified, its merely stating that negative public opinion is not evidence of misconduct.
"ISPs, unlike other corporate entities, will always work against the best interests of the consumer" is not a factual statement. No matter how much you believe it is.
>>751733460
dial up is internet.....
>>751733434
>BOYCOTT THE INTERNET GUYS
>THIS SOUNDS LIKE A GREAT IDEA
>LET'S JUST GO OUT AND PLAY
>MAKE REAL FRIENDS
>THROW STONES AT WINDOWS SO PEOPLE GO OUT
>>751733583
... consider me dead. my genes should not spread.
>>751733568
thats just bullshit, you can look up the instances and laws the isp's tried to get away with last time.... your literally spilling shit out of your ass.
>>751733460
I was in Portland, OR you fuckin shit
>>751732842
>Look, fucking INDONESIA has better internet speeds than the US. Norway, Sweden, the vast majority of even third world Asian nations have better, more reliable speeds, because the governments and private businesses invest in infrastructure. US companies?
Are you retarded? It's mostly because these countries are way smaller than the US making it a lot easier to build a network. There's also a large legal cost because no one wants network access equipment installed just anywhere which I'm sure Indonesia doesn't give a fuck about.
>>751733434
>If you dont like how your isp does business, boycott it or switch
You know some areas are served by only one or two ISP's?
>inb4:see this as an opportunity for smaller business...no buddy the cartels smash small businesses in this area.
Why is it bad? oh yeah, gov running the internet.
But at the same time, ISPs do cut off access if you cant pay ever growing fees.
>>751732182
imagine being so blindly supportive of multi-billion, money hungry corporations
>>751733654
na you aight!
>>751733739
>wants something
>can't pay for it
>cries for a handout
Liberal logic
>>751733302
Well what do you mean by "have a fair go"? Do you mean that we should spend 3 of the 12 months in the year as communist?
No not at all. I don't believe that.
I do believe that if someone expresses communist beliefs, that they should not immediately be ridiculed, jailed, or executed. One should not violently oppose alternative opinions just because they conflict with one's own dogma. To do so would be anti-intellectual.
>>751732563
He's young, give him time.
>>751733914
have a fair go, its an australian term of just in general of giving it a shot.
sorry i forgot language colloquialism
>>751727689
Because the internet is a vital tool for communication, so prioritizing certain areas of the internet to get more bandwidth and others to get less means businesses won't be on equal footing. Its like if a phone company in the 60s made a small but thriving business' phone line reception shitty on purpose and made a large competitor's crisp and awesome. Phone lines are regulated specially to prevent this. Internet should be too.
>>751733884
>wants something
>has to pay extra, but gets free useless shit as a bonus
>is happy about it
american logic.
>>751733914
"I do believe that if someone expresses communist beliefs, that they should not immediately be ridiculed, jailed, or executed."
"One should not violently oppose alternative opinions just because they conflict with one's own dogma. To do so would be anti-intellectual."
Found the retard.
>>751733747
imagine being so blindly against such corporations in way conceivable, while still using a device made by such a corporation in order to voice those opinions
>>751734050
Plot twist: it was me. I didnt see he said "not" in the first line...
>>751733739
>ISPs do cut off access if you cant pay ever growing fees.
why would that be any different without net neutrality?
>>751733434
Wow, what a crock of shit. The only thing net neutrality enforces is this:
You pay your ISP $X amount of money for certain internet access at a given speed, and you can access whatever the fuck you want freely without bandwidth being throttled or killed to X sites because X site doesn’t want to pay the ISP for premium access.
That means Johnny Consumer can get his Netflix just as fast as his Steam connection and still can access 4chan for his porn needs.
No net neutrality in place means Johnny will be fucked if Netflix doesn’t pony up money to get premium bandwidth to the ISP - and Johnny is fucked if they do because now Netflix is passing on the cost to all their customers so he’s now paying $3, $5, $10 more a month for Netflix.
Oh and since the prez of the ISP thinks 4chan is an absolute shithole, Johnny gets blazing fast 28.8kbps connection to that site and other morally bankrupt places that wouldn’t or couldn’t pay to play like Netflix.
Go fuck yourself, cocksucker. Government is keeping already nationally hated ISP companies from being even worse cunts than they already are. They aren’t regulating us, they’re regulating the businesses.
>>751732490
With the amount of inflation that will be coming soon after the petrodollar is deleted from 'world reserve' status, this will actually be a great deal, equiv. to $10 today
>>751734059
>you can't hate on X because you're using Y or Z
nice logic, how's high school
>>751734147
It wouldn't! In fact, they would have more control over the market and would therefore be able to charge more over the long term, even if some was saved by large businesses paying more for more reliable connections and higher promised bandwidth amd traffic
>>751734008
Anyone who seriously thinks net neutrality should go should be pushed off a building like Muslims do to gays. If it goes, ISPs will be able to limit what websites you can visit based on your internet plan/package
>>751733434
>Be me
>Canadian
>Have even stronger Net-Neutrality laws
>Have more reliable internet
>Have more freedom on the internet, outside of probably calling some nog a nigger on twitter and he tells the cops
>Large companies don't have a monopoly over providing internet
>Small companies frequently open up for local markets as a legitimately viable alternative
>Have a fairly wide array of internet packages from each company dependent on howmuch you need and how fast you need it to be with equally variable pricing
>See American Republicans fighting against net neutrality because it's a Liberal concept and a Repubican told them it was the devils work
Americans... just... even as a right-wing Canadian this is just depressing to watch compared to even Justin "We have no culture" Trudeau.
>>751734059
i did not know that apple and microsoft provide internet.
>do you even know what this whole shitstorm is about or did you just want to look educated?
>>751733568
>even though the only reason the ISPs weren't allowed to raw dog our asses all the other times they tried it was that the government said they couldn't, this time it's totally going to be the best dick you've ever had
OK then.
>>751733019
He's not against net neutrality, he's for it you fucking mongoloid
>>751734168
The idea goes that Netflix shouldn't need to charge more if they played their cards right because they could have users funneled straoght in by their telecom partners who won't let you watch tv elsewhere. Still probably would though
>>751734168
>thinks 'gov' and 'ISP companies' are separate entities because they have different brand names
Naive child says what?
>>751734349
I think you overestimate their ability to do so.
>>751734207
Your statement implied that one should never be pro-corporation, yet you use multiple products created by corporations every day. You cannot be more pro corporation than funding said corporations.
Either that, or your statement implied that one should only be pro-corporation if the corporation in question was pre-approved by an authoritative figure, in this case, you.
Either way, high school would put me leaps and bounds ahead of your education.
>>751734419
If there was any religion I would loosely follow, it would be Buddhism. The kind that lets you eat meat, because that actually exists.
>>751734336
but of course.
>>751734381
I think his claim is actually that you hate all corporations despite benefitting from them. Its fallacious on a couple of levels but I hope he isnt so dumb to think the internet comes in the box
>>751734381
Are you under the impression that you could voice your opinion if you had an internet connection but no device to connect to it? You're making yourself look idiotic, nevermind uneducated.
>>751734419
Your statement is retarded. Of course the gov is different that private businesses - it’s the only business that gets to make all the rules that it can use to benefit itself and force private businesses to follow.
When’s the last time your local grocery store passed federal legislation?
Dumbass.
>>751730377
>Net Neutrality didn't exist before the government legislated on it
The whole reason the government stepped in was because we stirred up a shitstorm when companies started going against Net Neutrality in the first place. It's how we've been doing shit since the beginning of the internet and we refuse to change it. Ending Net Neutrality will allow people to set up artificial roadblocks. Both consumers AND content creators already pay for bandwidth. Ending Net Neutrality would mean that ISPs can discriminate on what we're already paying for.
>>751733884
You're right we should just fucking skip the foreplay all together. Sell access in loot boxes. Sites everyone wants (ei, Facebook, Youtube, Google) are legendary with 0.01 drop rate.
Don't like it? What are you a fucking lib cuck snowfake, if you want service you should pay for it.
>>751734471
Or they live in a modern world where in order to remain competitive they are forced to buy a car, a computer, gasoline, etc despite not liking how those are made. You can still have an argument against a thing, even if you use it. Fuck, even if you LOVE it! You arent being logically sound.
>>751734458
>they want to grab the internet by the balls
>they will be able to if the law passes
>"you overestimate their ability"
nigger, they literally provide you the internet. they can do with it whatever they want, just like electricity providers can tell you to blow a major dick and leave in the stone age.
>>751731131
The internet is already neutral, dumbass. It's been that way since its inception.
>>751734410
Of course they would - even if they didn’t “need” to they would use the excuse to make more money for their shareholders without adding anything worthwhile for us to consume - no new programming, no better connection, etc. just “costs” being passed on, and funneled right into their coffers.
>>751733973
That's the opposite of net neutrality, Mr. Pai.
>>751734419
>>751734582
I am under the impression you really did not read what this thread is about and why the corporations we hate can't fuck us in the arse yet, so we can use them.
>if the fire burns you, why are you using it to cook?
>>751734755
Yeah, its the same as the idea that not taxing me as much somehow makes money for you. I will indeed invest it, but it will just shuffle between folks like myself
>>751734793
I was saying why net neutrality is important with a little example
>>751734654
>if you want service you should pay for it.
>lets make a cartel and abuse our dominant position
>what you don't want to pay! fuck you commie/fash freeloader
>>751734912
Shit just saw op's actual question
>>751734946
Not paying attention most times is bad.
>>751734978
But this time it didnt matter really
>>751730377
Net neutrality was always a thing until companies started to do otherwise. Then it became controversial. It was the only issue I voted on since 2008.
Remember when ea didn't put out microtransactions and lootboxes? Then it became a thing. They didn't create it, but they raised the bar.
The funniest thing is, after looking at the thumbnail of the OP, i think he made this thread for the sole purpose of trolling.
>>751727689
It isn't. Decent sites will be able to afford faster internets.
If a site has slow internets then maybe its not worth assessing.
>>751731839
Are you just completely fucked in the head? Net Neutrality prevents service providers from prioritizing one website or service over another. Without it, a large company can pay more to have their content prioritized over a small company receiving better bandwidth. Are you going to continue to use a smaller company's service when it is slowed down to a crawl even though their content is great? No, the ignorant masses want instantaneous access to whatever they want whenever they want. The small company dies. Now the other company has a monopoly and can choose what content you have access to. Enjoy never seeing any factual information ever again. You might as well move to China or North Korea you fucking idiot.
>>751734419
>>751734612
>>751734806
>thinks anyone can 'start an ISP company if they want to' on a network that was created originally for 'defense intel'
I guarantee none of you have a even the faintest idea how much money one needs to shell out to 'gov' to start an ISP, not including any hardware or labor cost.
>>751734742
Well that depends on your interpretation.
I have a little website where I sell my home made fleshlights and buttplugs. If 1000 people were to suddenly access my website, the vast majority of them would not receive any data. However if the same 1000 people suddenly accessed google, they will all receive data, guaranteed.
By what definition is that "neutral"?
>>751732842
Since you mentioned Indonesia I will say, living in Indonesia here, "high" internet speeds, that is atleast higher than 6-7 Mbps are fucking expensive. Telkom's Indihome as I remember, has a 10 Mbps packet for around Rp. 500.000/month, or $35 per month. That's so expensive. Yeah I gotta admit it's a great improvement compared to like 5 years ago, but the "high" internet speeds are still only for the richer than the riches, maybe due to corruption, I dunno.
>>751735069
You're one dumb ass fucking idiot.
>>751735107
and youre being tough on an online anime imageboard.
>>751734812
Are you implying that all corporations are regulated in every way conceivable, and that this is the only possible way to coexists with them?
Or is it the case that some corporations are regulated in some ways, and that these regulatory practices should evolve as time progresses?
>>751734636
Yep. and kiss goodbye to 4chan, that's probably 100% against their agenda.
>>751732810
>This kind of malicious behaviour is kept in line by two things. Government regulations and the free market
Net Neutrality used to be just be the general rule of the Internet. It only became government regulation when we got pissed when ISPs decided to try and change it.
>free market
there's no free market with ISPs anymore. they've already set up monopolies in most areas of the US and have even prevented cities from setting up their own ISPs. we can't rely on the free market to fix anything since there is none here.
>>751735006
But it sets precedence for how you are - this time may not matter, so other small issues don’t. Then that starts expanding because that is how people are - they start lumping in more to the pile of “that’s insignificant so that doesn’t matter”’until they get so complacent that they fuck up when it does matter.
>>751735167
I wonder which one is more deadly your stupidity or my internet flexing.
>>751735167
>>751733434
Even china would have better internet than America would if corporations took over the net. We say something bad about the ceo? Say goodbye to 4chan. It already happened with comcast like 10 years ago.
>>751732941
capitalism is the longest lasting system, lasting a lot longer than any other, fuck off back to plebbit you commie faggot.
>>751735069
>If a site has slow internets then maybe its not worth assessing.
holy fucking shit you're dumb, you know that with throttling they can make ANY site slower on propose, as in not neutral.
>>751735223
Tl;dr
>>751735074
And yet it’s still possible - http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-37974267
>>751735197
I find it funny how you are trying to put absolute and utter bullshit into my mouth.
What i am saying is ISPs will fuck us in the ass royally and say it's consent if we let them. I am not spewing the commie propaganda as you are implying i do, i am just against some cunts deciding what i should browse.
>>751735107
Funny thing is that what he described is already how the internet works. Look up what a CDN is. If you want your site to be accessible, you need to pay more money.
>>751735087
The Internet is pretty much the roads and your server is your house. Currently the roads can support those 1000 people just fine, but your house is a shithole that can't fit them. We don't give a shit about your house, we give a shit about the roads.
>>751727689
Here is how ending net netruality will look like.
You pay 10 bucks to enter a buffet. You have unlocked access to the room and all the filler bullshit. To unlock eggrolls you need to pay one extra dollar. To unlock shrimp is one fifty. If you want ham well you're shit out of luck because this buffet decided ham is not something they want their customers eating so you can't have any.
Enjoy your free market, you fucking clown.
Listen guys
It doesn't matter.
Regardless of it all outcome, when it all averages out at the end, everyone is going to be getting fucked over by the same amount.
The only difference is which companies are going to be doing the fucking.
>>751735087
>>751735428
I like how he didn't bat an eye to the "service" this guy provides
>>751735387
No, you're against the free market and AMERICA. You are the one arguing for a position that literally gives an entity, the fcc, the ability to control the internet vs the people who OWN it being able to do as they please with it.
>>751735451
>It's the loot crates all over
Also there nothing free market in that, it a cartel of few.
>>751735233
Checked
>>751735060
Well duh but everyone here loves it.
>>751735074
>I guarantee none of you have a even the faintest idea how much money one needs to shell out to 'gov' to start an ISP, not including any hardware or labor cost.
Considering I work for one of the largest vendors, I think I know. Also completely irrelevant to the post I replied to that was implying there is no difference between the government and a corporation.
>>751735520
> vs the people who OWN it being able to do as they please with it.
Yeah because the people who own the internet connections are fucking awful and need to be kept in check.
This isn't that hard.
>>751735294
Please. Big corporations are on your side. That is a red flag for when youre wrong.
They don't want to pay extra for more internets. Why should multi billion dollar companies not pay higher for more internets?
> they can make ANY site slower on propose
remove that tinfoil hat.
>>751734419
Wow dude you're so woke. Please redpilled me so I can be exactly like you.
>>751735392
>If you want your site to be accessible, you need to pay more money.
Bullshit.
With a CDN you're paying for increased performance not access. The different between a CDN and an unleashed ISP is that they can flat out just block access to shit they don't want you to access.
Also, he's a moron for conflating and you're a moron for biting it.
>>751735520
Wow, i might actualy earned an aneurysm from the sheer stupidity of the verbal vomit you just shared.
>>751735387
I asked you a fucking question you mongoloid. If you want to get defensive about your dick size then thats your own fucking business.
You're coming off as a paranoid fucking lunatic. Russia doesn't have net neutrality and they can access the most debased, debaucherous shit available on the internet.
I understand that this victim mentality is popular with the millennials of today, but get a fucking grip. Nobody gives a shit what you do with your fucking internet. Just pay them the money, and get the service.
>>751735520
The people don't own the internet fag.
>>751735612
What do you think the logical conclusion of a 'free market' is? The inevitable power differentials between market actors grows without end until the market is dominated by a monopoly or duopoly.
>>751732810
>I’m against the free market
Opinion discarded
>>751735612
Actually, if a resturant decided to operate like that it could under the free market.
>>751735628
Do you have evidence of your claim?
>>751735520
>against america
>vehemently anti-american government
The cognitive dissonance is astounding. Gotta be a troll, nobody that retarded knows how to post on 4chan.
>>751735727
Yes, ISPs get consistently rated as some of the most hated businesses in the country. Why do you think rebrands are so popular?
>>751735428
But you are OK with more $$$ = more access? Then whats your problem the loss of net neutrality? Whether netflix is paying the CDN providers, or they're paying the ISPs, they're still paying more $$$ for more access. No change.
>>751735680
Yes. There are in fact companies who dole out the bandwidth! For all intents and purposes, the telecom companies DO own the internet. Not the content, but the infrastructure and shit it runs on. Also, not THE people, just 'the people who own it'
>>751735659
When you see morons everywhere the only common denominator is you.
>>751735790
So consumer opinion should be the deciding factor on which businesses we regulate? Sounds like direct democracy to me
COMCAST BLOCKED 4CHAN FOR A WEEK LIKE 10 YEARS AGO
COMCAST BLOCKED 4CHAN FOR A WEEK LIKE 10 YEARS AGO
COMCAST BLOCKED 4CHAN FOR A WEEK LIKE 10 YEARS AGO
COMCAST BLOCKED 4CHAN FOR A WEEK LIKE 10 YEARS AGO
FUCKING NEWFAGS
>>751735743
In what way am I against the government? Don't be such a fuckwit.
>>751735873
Sick rebuttal, my guy.
>>751727689
I'm going to probably leave the united states if ISPs start cucking me.
I can't have internet go down the drain, and we god fucking know they're going to.
People keep acting like I can just go with another company. Sorry but I only have comcast. That's my only option. If I move to a different city, I'll still probably only have comcast, maybe if I'm lucky I'll get the option of AT&T vs comcast. But around here, Comcast and Spectrum have divy'd up their territory like mafia lords so you never get to actually choose.
Internet is a utility, and should be treated as such. Anything else is fucking chaos.
And that's what's going to happen.
>>751735727
2014-2015 pushes and lobbying on isp's behalf, look up what they wanted to push through, and how "fair" it was.
look up their practices for upgrading infrastructure and product pricing in compensation.
most want and do provide a subpar service for premium costs.
ISP's want more money becuase of how popular the internet is. what they dont get is the moment they shackle it, their growth turns downward, as well as internet usage in general. thus killing the "innovation" that they are claiming is being stoped by net neutrality.
/rant
>>751735873
Actually morons would also be in common in these situations.thats like saying "if you see dogs everywhere you must be a dog"
>>751735804
I'm ok with more $$$ for more bandwidth. Period. The ISPs should have absolutely no say in how I use the bandwidth that I've paid for. Content consumers pay for bandwidth. Content creators also pay for bandwidth, usually a lot more since they have more connections. Ending net neutrality would allow ISPs to block content creators that don't want to pay extra for artificial roadblocks on what was already paid for.
>>751731126
Why not make ISPs a public utility if you are against companies controlling their products in a "free" market.
>>751735939
just change vpn
>>751735663
Alrighty then, first things first:
I am sorry my dick is so big.
Second: their internet is not ruled by ennormous corporations because their country is not a tool of said corps. The only person who decides what's in their net is Vladimir Vladimirovich and he doesn't give two shits about debauchery, violence and sin. All he cares about is his little propaganda which is not as obvious as a run for every single one of your cents.
Paranoid lunatic? I would rather be seen as that instead of a naive little shit that lets everyone push me in the directions they like.
>>751735958
>>751736017
Lots of reading to do, but I doubt companies behaving badly will make me change my mind on the (relatively) free market
>>751735972
Internet should be a utility. Problem is, you can't go to private utility providers AFTER they sunk the cost of setting up infrastructure, and then tell them you're taking control.
That's called theft
If the government wants to go ahead and set up their own infrastructure, then power to them.
>>751735804
how about the fact that allows for monopolies on the cooperation end ?
both website and ISP
people are currently paid to protest on an issue
but you think isp's wont get paid to favour clients ?
delusion.
>>751730377
>>751731121
>>751736059
I think that's overdue. If phones are, surely the net is
>>751736121
wait till you realise you won't be able to jack off to your fav anime tiddies.
>>751735972
>People keep acting like I can just go with another company
This, Verizon and Google had this big rollout fiber plan to cover a ton of homes and found it was too expensive. Most people are lucky if they have two options. I live in a NJ suburb and my options are Comcast or Verizon DSL which gives 1.25mbps so basically only Comcast. A lot of people will be at the mercy of a single provider.
>>751736049
Not quite. Its probability.
If you have 10 pairs of individuals, and each pair contains at least one moron, and one individual is common throughout all 10 pairs. Statistically it is very likely that that individual is a moron.
Not 100%, just very likely.
>>751736017
Lol even your evidence was "go look up some vague wrongdoings from this 2 year period"
Shows how much you know on the topic.
>>751727689
zero effort post, nice bait to dig up opinons that arent your own. must be nice to not have a soul and be paid to troll people on the web.
>>751736264
>vague wrongdoings
Sorry, Kevin Spacey, you are actualy a cool guy, not a pedo, nu-uh.
>>751736121
thats fair, it is a good scale on how they are going to perform in the future,
its an indication that they are a purely for profit company, and that their willing to take advantage of their users to do it.
if they actually upgraded they would dominate the market, but because theres more money in milking the populace and waiting the upgrade out, they dont bother.
>>751735680
>>751735653
thread crawling with pathetic pay per post shills
>>751735623
When you 'need to pay' several hundred thousand just to have license to do something, just to prevent competitors, that is the opposite of freedom. Name one startup, independent ISP with no family ties. They're being prevented from existing, end of story.
>>751736226
He didnt say pairs of people. You are making a lot of assumptions. Its possible that a high % of people are what he considers morons. Or that the areas he frequents have a high moron population. Therefore he seems them a lot.
>>751736264
>most want and do provide a subpar service for premium costs.
did you not read that far ?
or are you expecting me to quote information from 2-3 years ago ??
lazy cunt.
>>751736377
Well, in my scenario, any situation in which a participant is accused of being a moron contains at least one moron. Either the individual being accused, or the person erroneously accusing.
>>751736372
Mountainnet. There are tons of tiny local isps that started up a long time ago. There arent startups now because the entire country is pretty well covered
>>751727689
Ha! All you faggots!
I'm laughing from my bar chair at you plebs while downloading the entire internet bit by bit.
I've saved myself a few dozen terabytes on external drives, licking my supernormal sized dick's tip while saving entire webpages of memes I won't be able to read trough for the next ten years.
And while I'm streaming my favorite MLP archives straight into my post-America-bunker of a harddrive collection, all of you cucks still worry about net neutrality? Pathetic.
We'll see eachother on the other side, or rather, won't, as I already have years of content on my harddrives #1-17 which I'll watch next thursday after having read trough all your posts, which my crawler is saving too, btw.
How can anyone be as pathetic as you are, clinging on something that was deemed to fail from the beginning? Why can't you just download the parts of the internet you like how I do and live your life? You're like children, falling in the stream...
*tips fedore
I am out
*disappears into mist
>>751736497
Saying "most companies do this thing I claim" is not evidence. You are making a claim. I expect to see evidence to back it up. What you've done here is make another claim and passed it off as evidence of your first claim.
>>751736569
I guess if you change the original,problem to the constraints in your post, and onpy one of the two can be a moron, it is quite likely that dude is one
>>751736662
But no, seriously, I support net neutrality and it's ridiculous how much the Americans have failed at building a democratic system. I could literally control your politics with a 5$
>>751736662
you forgot to mention gay porn and niggers fucking white chicks.
Daddy is so disappointed.
>>751736662
This guy is right, if you are afraid you will lose something stop depending on others to get it.
>>751736372
>They're being prevented from existing, end of story.
What point are you even arguing? This has nothing to do with me calling someone a retard for claiming an ISP company and the government aren't separate entities.
Also if you're going to complain about several hundred thousand dollars for a license then maybe telecom is not the industry for you. You're looking at a multi billion dollar investment which which even the big vendors require loans. Most smaller companies work off shared network agreements where the one pushing the most traffic gets a better deal.
>>751736665
i told you what to google to find the evidence
im not spoon feeding your ignorant ass, do it yourself faggot.
wheres your evidence to the contrary ? or are you just relying on good faith ?
well shit, thread is dying. was fun seein how much you americans are committed to destroying your own freedom in the country that gloats about having the most of it.
>>751732182
>>Stop assuming the worst.
>>751737001
I need evidence to reject a claim now? Your claim is basically that ISPs are evil and must be stopped. I am asking for you to support this claim. Asking for evidence in a discussion is, in my experience, par for the course. The burden of proof falls on the man making the claim, not the guy saying "how so?"
>>751730377
>inb4. ISP blocks 4chan
>>751737001
Btw, I DID Google what you said to Google. However, I don't agree with you that the fact that they spent momey on lobbying makes them evil. Your search term was so vague that its obvious you were swayed by the new media campaigns at the time (probably in college)and haven't revised your position as an adult
>>751727689
its the difference between considering the internet as an open exchange of ideas and viewing it as a product. its the difference between a public park and a paid concert, there are some first amendement protections afforded to each, but in different ways: you cant keep people out of a public park for being in a certain spot or saying something that others dont like (to a certain extent), but you can be kicked out of a concert for just about any reason the performers or organizers decide.
comes down to this: is internet access considered free speech? can it be sold in a way the restricts its use?
>>751732417
KEK
>>751737678
The city, state, or federal govt usually owns a park. They don't own the infrastructure behind the internet, isps and telecom companies do. If I own land should the govt be able to say "this is a park now?"
>>751732588
This guy gets it.
>>751736146
given how much tax money we gave them to set up infrastructure (that they didn't even fully build), the ISPs really don't have the best claim to that infrastructure.
>>751738228
Actually our tax money (almost $500b!) went to state utility companies who took over the isps thanks to mike powell and the ~2004 fcc
>>751727689
because reddit likes it
>>751731121
Wow. You're a cringy fag
repealing net neutrality will get rid of your access to 4chan. these fuckers are trying to misinform you and say that's a good thing.
>>751730377
>>751731539
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>>751737560
already happened in the past. we've already been through this shit over and over again. I'm surprised there are still people that don't understand this shit
https://www.fastcompany.com/1318986/att-plays-btard-censor-starts-blocking-4chans-b-updated
>>751735451
Government Regulated/Controlled: Kill competition/market, everyone gets a cheap, shit bandwidth, monthly limited data plan.
Capitalism: We get Google fiber. Poor fags can use the slow stuff for free or you can buy the option to download entire porn site in seconds.
>>751736977
So relatable, why would anyone object to arbitrary licensing fees to have the right to compete with an industry? Oh, because the costs of getting started are already high? Very logical, you've convinced me that the key to a successful free market is to force massive licensing fees on anyone who wants to start there own business, because if you wanted to do that, you should already be made to begin with and there should be no objection. Thanks for your valuable input
>>751735290
I think you'll find feudalism is, champ.
>>751732182
>be comcast CEO
>got this position because I only care about making the company and myself richer and richer
>see great opportunity of fucking over the only barrier that's keeping me from literally putting DLC paywalls on certain internet sites
>fight for years to grasp this opportunity
>be today
>see this post
>"maybe comcast will use it to get less money, and maybe they will use it for their users comfort, stop assuming the worst!"
>lulz heavily
>>751738798
>We have officially banned access to extremist right organisation websites like 4chan and reddit for the safety of the internet and it's users, now lay praise to your merciful gods here at Verizon!
>"amen" the people spout
>>751738989
>implying these licensing fees serve no purpose
>implying these license fees are the only reason why a smaller company can't compete
You're full of shit and you know it.
>>751739399
>be FCC CEO
>been in bed with the ISP monopolies so long that our bodies have merged into one organism
>paying teams of worthless scum to post anti-NN memes on the chans and reddit 24/7
>see this post
>lulz heavily
>>751739626
>>751734612
>>751734806
>>751736086
This
>inb4 Comcast only allows certain IPs on a white list to be reached
>inb4 we have LAN speakeasys for Cheese Pizza
I wonder if there are CP Clubs where you can go search huge collections of CP.
>>751740035
You really want someone to explain the difference between the government and corporations?
Also if the person arguing the license issue really wanted to make a point they would specify what are the "arbitrary" license fees but they can't. If they did specify them, they would find out they're not arbitrary at all. Again if you're planning on competing in the industry I guarantee these license fess are nothing. Just because Joe the electrician can't create his own network doesn't mean it's not a free market. There's plenty of vendors that provide services to these providers or work as partners to augment their network.
>>751727689
Yep.
Is in the words.
NET as in a net to capture your soul.
Neutrality as in it's going to neuter you.
I'm other words it's a trap.
>>751740907
>heils in american
Unfortunately my isp already controls the shit I do online, so it won't change much more
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XUeMP6UIZc
