Net neutrality thread: chill edition. Don’t mention Trump or Obama, ect.
Just discuss how you as a person will be affected by this bill. Don’t turn it into an autistic hissy fit.
P.S: If you’re in another country, you are affected too.
>>751715170
As a person who makes a good living it's going to be nice not having the help niggering up the webs. Kind of seems good to clean up all the cancer up that refuses to work or get educated.
>>751715170
As an average person you will end up paying more for less.
It will open the gates to allow every service provider to do whatever they please as long as they inform the customer
Someone explain to me what this is
>>751715611
i second this.
>>751715170
Another cash grab. Eventually people will have to pay per site visit. Like if you visit 20 sites, at a dollar a site, and costing an extra dollar for every 5 minutes on said site it'll add up. But people are so addicted to the internet that they'll pay their digital crack dealer anything to stay on.
>>751715611
Basically the data limit model will be expanded to restrict usage of bandwidth for online gaming, streaming and other high value targets of the greedy corporations that want to squeeze as much as they can out of their customers.
>>751715443
Consider becoming an hero
>>751715170
Wait what do you mean I'm affected too?
I thought this was an america thing.
Can someone fill me in lads?
>>751715170
Fucking hamburgers was my first thought reading about this.
>>751716949
Okay now can you explain that without using IT language? IT illiterate fag here.
>>751717190
>America controls the internet.
Yup, no one is safe.
Has it actually been taken away or not yet?
>>751715170
we already have net neutrality and everything's great.
so fuck off.
>>751715170
>If you’re in another country, you are affected too.
how so?
I'm from eurofagland. I always assumed this won't phase me in any way. please explain to me how this will affect me like I was retarded.
>>751717282
the restrictions online will be based upon how much you pay basically
say you just want google you pay a ceratin amount but if you wanna game and watch streams you gotta pay more
net neutrality refers to the idea that all data is to be taken equally and it might vanish in the near future
>>751717282
Telecom companies will now have the power to fuck down the internet for anyone they want to restrict access to. The internet will go from being owned and run by the people to being the property of the ISPs to do with what they want.
>>751717282
ISPs will be able to charge more and/or throttle [read: decrease availability] for usage of the sites and services that use the most data such as Youtube, Netflix, Steam, Xbox Live and Playstation Network because they don't want to pay for the infrastructure required to supply their customers' demands.
>>751717523
Isn't that the current model? How do users own shit?
>>751717699
own in the sense that noone can restrict what you want to do online
>>751717395
For now... that's the whole point, the current government wants to end it.
>>751717762
and ppl still think trump / his regime is good for usa
>>751717750
So Netflix uses up like 30% of all network traffic. How does this cost them now and how will it change after?
>>751718041
All market indicators tend to agree with us. Move along libfag.
>>751716717
The Corps will make less money in the long run IMO. I will just play offline games and have LAN partys. Fuck the internet and all that comes with it.
>>751717282
Right now you pay for a certain amount of data to and from the internet, and the service provider (Verizon, Comcast, whoever) isn't allowed to limit anything but the total amount (MB) or the rate (MB/s).
Without Net Neutrality, they can do... anything. Limit the sites you can visit. Charge you more for certain sites. Change your data rate depending on what you are downloading. Anything.
So perhaps you have Comcast and they want you to do their PPV instead of watching Netflix. So they block Netflix, or slow them down so it's almost unwatchable, or require that you have a premium plan.
Perhaps you have some provider that is owned by devout Christians. No more porn. No more /b/. Etc.
Got It?
It's like if your power company could decide what you could use Watts to do in your own home.
>>751718041
Dude, nobody believes that, who isn't a retarded person.
>>751718094
Which market indicators would those be? The polls of the service providers?
>>751715170
Trump is a nazi
So you want the gaming package, well that'll be 200$ per month then with a data cap of 30GB. Oh you want to actually download some games as well? That'll be another 100$ for an extra 50Gb then. Aah and you want to stream music? Well for only 15$ extra you can get a package with unlimited streaming from our Verizon playlist. Oh you want to stream from spotify? I'm sorry we don't offer spotify with high bandwith in your area. Oh and youtube is offering a great deal on all their Warner Brothers content. 10$ for unlimited acces to all trailers in full HD! Oh you want to be able to stream all their content without buffering, I'm afraid that option is only available for platinum members, yeah that plan is 1000$ per month so...
>>751718109
>Critizes china for censoring internet
>bombs MENA to spread democracy
>Now this.
Only in Burgerland(c)(tm)
>>751718094
I like how you're trying to use buzzwords to cover how stupid you are. 10/10 adorable
>>751718233
You can't jump from 'good to the usa' to muh service providers. Stay coherent. Unemployment, stock market, GDP, illegal immigration, all looking good. Now stop being a political fag and get back to the topic.
>>751718294
If only that were true.
>>751718304
>>751718109
Quality posts.
>>751718304
That's assuming 0 competition, but you are starting to sway me anon.
>>751718364
I was not the one you were responding to, I was the one HE was responding to.
And the indicators you refer to don't point to removing net neutrality, they show that we are doing great WITH it.
>>751717289
>America controls the internet
You think that's going to remain the case for long after the USA shows that it can't be trusted to do so? There is literally nothing stopping other countries from laying their own international fiber.
>>751717465
>>751716949
>>751717523
>>751717664
>>751718109
Is this only going to affect America?
>>751718378
Imagine how much the white race would benefit from your suicide.
>>751718511
You made a generalized statement and got a generalized response so stop crying like a fag.
>>751718495
Competition doesn't do much when there are few competitors and they follow the same "industry standards". How many service providers are in your area? And why should they compete in a way that could cost them profit when they can fight for customers on issues that don't?
>>751718577
Yes.
>>751715170
So, I'll ask the big question: what recourse do we have, if any? Can we actually have an affect on anything regarding the vote?
>>751718636
Good point.
>>751718594
And your generalized response is completely inaccurate and unfounded. My face is dry as bone.
>>751715170
so /b/ with the slower speeds and higher prices, how do you think this will affect the gaming situation? Steamfags not included because we can play offline
>>751718577
Depends on how other nations and ISPs view the precedent.
>>751715170
When will this happen?
>>751718495
In practice, that is the case in most localities. Even where there is competition, it's pantomime competition. Internet service is not a commodity, unfortunately, thanks to AT&T and other big boys bundling their own services, usually with huge profit margins, over the top. Telephone service, for example, which is hard to migrate from one provider to another.
>>751718718
>Steam
How do you download your games without going through an ISP? Who provides you with the internet access to log on to the Steam servers?
>>751715170
This is why we need a decentralized internet. Blockchain could make this possible.
>>751718109
We pay per kilowatt hour, not a flat wattage rate per month for electricity. If my neighbor uses 5X more electricity then me, he will and should pay more.
My only concern is the restrictions, not the data limits.
>>751718818
libraries, colleges. wait.. oh shit. DOWNLOAD ALL THE GAMES!!!!
>>751718718
I would expect that access to ANYTHING will go up in price, and the more you use it, the more it will go up. And it will be worse if you want variety, because one of the possibilities will be that they will charge for access to groups of websites like cable companies charge for access to groups of channels. If you want to access site XYZ, they might only allow it if you pay for the package that includes that site, with a subscription.
Among other things, it will really hamstring small websites with big competitors.
>>751715170
Thanks Obama
>>751718915
Electricity doesn't expire if unused. Bandwidth does. There is literally no reason to stick meters on the internet just so you can have your punitive sense of protestant justice satisfied.
ITT: People who apparently never lived before 2015.
>>751719026
That makes no sense, I only pay for what I use (electricity). For internet, I pay for the max data rate, regardless of what I use.
>>751718915
But should your neighbor or you need to buy a refrigerator plan if you want to have one? If you charge batteries, should that have a special fee? What if your electricity provider decides that running stereo will cost 4x per KWH compared to running a mixer?
>>751719161
That's where we agree. The restrictions are my concern, not the data limits. The asshole next door downloading pirated movies all night should pay more.
>>751719155
No analogies are perfect. The difference between rate and total usage are not relevant to this issue. The end of Net Neutrality has no impact on whether a service provider decides to charge based on total data or data rate, they can already do that.
>>751719251
Based on the amount of data, or the fact that you disapprove of how he is using it?
>>751719155
>that makes no sense
Then tell me what the exact marginal cost of a megabyte is. Bet you can't do that, because the concept makes no sense.
It costs the network as much to transmit data as it does to transmit no data. Internet costs are largely fixed, not marginal. This is obviously not true with electricity.
>>751718915
My only real argument against that is that it costs far less to produce the data that ISPs provide than the water and electricity that standard utility companies do.
>>751719130
>Being accustomed to convenience make you a youngfag
Why don't you give up your internet enabled device for a newspaper, a rotary phone, a barometer, a type writer, a abacus, and a phonograph if you want to live the superiority life.
>>751719328
Based on the fact that >>751719251 is a shill for some corporate interest who should be dragged out into an alley and not come back.
>>751719278
Now I'm confused again. If they can already do that, then what do they have to gain from ending it, the ability to add restrictions?
I am enjoying your groveling, US-faggots. Your internet capitalization problems fuck up your whole internet-ridden lives and you'll have to step outside again, or pay pristine amounts of money to stay inside.
I'm waiting for the day that the fat zombie-like retards riddle teh land of freedumz and pathetically fail to rehabitate into the new laws you're inevitably going to have. It's not like this is the first time your gov tries to pass this legislation. It's not like it's gonna be the last one.
Enjoy your downfall. It should be time for all of us to move on.
>>751719339
That's not true. Transmitting data consumes more energy (electricity) and more transmission requires more infrastructure.
>>751719382
Because it is not about the number of MB, it's about where those MB come from and what they contain. Right now, youe internet is X MB/s regardless of whether you download porn or Christian YouTube videos, regardless of whether you access your provider's preferred sites or their competitors. The end of Net Neutrality would change all of that.
>>751719328
Data, I don't give two shots what he does with it.
>>751719362
>how dare you blaspheme! you should go back and larp this period of time period accurately because we can't have anachronisms or consciously choose which technologies we keep or discard
hur dur
IF YOU LIKE THE INTERNET THE WAY ITS BEEN FOR TWO DECADES VOTE YES ON REPEALING THE RULES SET IN PLACE BY OBUMMER IN 2015, NOTHING NEEDED CHANGING.
>>751719339
11/22/17(Wed)02:52:25 No.751719339
>>751719341
11/22/17(Wed)02:52:24 No.751719341
>02:52:25 No.75171933
>02:52:24 No.75171941
>25, 33
>24, 41
>>751719590
He can already be charged based on the amount of data. Most providers offer some number of plans based on speed (which impacts total possible data), and that won't change. But Net Neutrality means the provider can't decide what sites you can visit or how quickly you can download from them.
>>751719657
>hur dur
>Derppity derp.
>>751719381
I'm a corporate shill bc I disagree with you lmao
You call Trump supporters Nazis right? And use words like xenophobia amiright???
>>751719514
If that is so, then metering it costs even more than that, and metering itself involves data transmission. So tell me the exact cost, or if you think that's too hard, tell me the fixed:marginal share of cost.
>>751719686
nothing changed in 2015 though
>Hey, the internet is about to be ruined for everything
>Well that's fine because it will fuck over some neets :)
>>751719382
Without net neutrality ISPs may favor some traffic over the other.
You're watching youtube, fine, oh do you want to play online games, well it's the same amount of data or even less but if you don't want a crippled bandwidth you'll have to pay more. Facebook or instagram? Fast as lightning, well, you want to browse 4chan, good luck loading the homepage.
>>751719485
You sure enjoy using that American tech.
>>751719696
hahahahaha fuck you doc
>>751719731
You disagree based on a complete ignorance of network design.
Wrong on the first count, but there is literally nothing wrong with a moderate degree of xenophobia when accommodating other cultures makes the prevailing one run less smoothly or causes conflict.
>>751719825
You don't own it anymore. It's part of the intellectual commons. Kill yourself, neoliberal.
>>751719514
Metering already happens. I'm sure Cox knows exactly what it's cost per GB served to a customer costs.
>>751719705
This.
Mobile plans in a lot of countries charge based on amount of data.
But that's not the issue here.
>>751719541
That's where we agree. I think high bandwidth users should pay more, but I don't want ANY restrictions.
>>751715170
well this thread turned into shit. mark my words. with all the confusion nowadays, people will be saying, did you just assume my political affiliation.
>>751719686
witnessed!
MAGA
Just trust trump.
>>751719825
I do while enjoying a higher standard of living.
U mad?
>>751715170
>russia sees this as an opportunity to post tons of threads taking both sides of the issue to further polarize retarded Americans on both sides of their shitty political system
тpaхaтьcя
>>751719988
Mobile bandwidth is far closer to an actually scarce commodity than wired bandwidth.
>>751718655
Good
>>751718731
Consumer law in most other developed countries simply wouldn't permit it
>>751719749
In 2015 the providers decided they wanted to do all this shit and the government said no.
Let me give a comparison:
Prior to 2001, both planes and buildings existed. Despite this, no one really considered flying planes into buildings as a method of terrorism, so the government didn't really take any steps to prevent it.
Then, in 2001, someone did it, so the government took steps to prevent it.
Net Neutrality was not an issue prior to 2015 because no service providers were apparently considering messing with customers ability to access certain websites or types of data. The government was not addressing a problem that did not yet seem to exist. In 2015, when those providers started floating the idea, the government said no. The current administration wants to reverse this decision.
By my imperfect analogy, that would be like the Obama administration rolling back federal protections against 9/11 attacks. In this case, the "attacks" were only proposed and not actually executed, but they still seem like a bad thing to allow.
Liberal cucks like you don't deserve to have their opinions heard
>>751719912
I'm the polar opposite if a liberal and currently have no stance on this issue... which is why I'm asking questions you fkn kike.
>>751719912
>neoliberal
You really need to stop using words you don't understand.
Why do people assume that the internet is some nonrenewable resource?you think these companies are pay out the ass to make some internet?Theres a shortage on internet in the world?
>>751715170
The thing that I don't get is, what is the supposed upside to the public? Why would anyone be ok with this? Obviously the corporations win because it opens new revenue streams, but that doesn't help the public.
>>751720002
Then you want Net Neutrality to remain.
>>751720182
>both sides
Anyone supporting either corporate owner of the political system deserves everything they get by supporting a system of being ruled by them.
>>751720276
>thinks that conservatism isn't liberal
Just shut the fuck up before you make yourself out to be even more of an idiot than you are.
>>751715170
do you work for some stupid media outlet and you're doing research? is this something you really care about? why the fuck do you think we're here, because we work at fucking comcast or netflix or are shareholders?
do you also start nazi threads and use the word "kike" a lot, hoping to get bites so you can write a story about 4chan(!) neonazis(!!)?
i have a feeling you are either a sad choice of 4chan mod/shill who officially works for the site or some foul lurker trying to research lame bullshit.
>>751720179
I'm not jealous of your standard of living or your feminine penis.
>>751720251
So it's time to start competing with the lobbyists if your country allows them.
>>751720312
Supposedly, it makes providers more "willing" to "innovate" some new convoluted shell game.
>>751720449
>thinks having only half a dick is masculine
back to africa
>>751720387
>retard spacing
>nigger writing
>>751720312
There is no upside to the public unless they actually want an internet experience that exactly matches what the providers offer, like those people who see a cable package that offers every channel they want and none of the channels they don't. Those people might see a rate reduction, at the expense of every single person who wants to be able to roam the internet freely.
>>751720266
Thanks anon. This is what I was looking for.
>>751717418
Imagine this
>Eurofag nations see what america is doing
>See the possibility of making more cash
>Eventually push to remove net neutrality here
>>751720266
Brutal analogy. It works.
>>751720266
>>751720266
Dont you got it backwards?? it was because of the comcast verizon thing that they put those rules in place so they COULDNT slow down internet for certain services.
>>751720376
>Anyone supporting either corporate owner of the political system deserves everything they get by supporting a system of being ruled by them
Either this is bait or you are actually retarded
Why does everyone think letting the companies do what they want will make them all go EA mode and charge people for everything?
I'll agree that some dickhead company might go EA mode, but smart companies will just do the exact same thing as before and people who are being provided internet by said dickhead company will just get some other provider. Unless you're a retard, you'll make the switch.
Also, even if the internet holocaust happens and every company in existence becomes greedy as fuck, it wouldn't matter because somebody will be smart and get more money by just being the cheapest option for the same service, that's how the free market works.
Everything was okay before 2015 and when net neutrality was integrated it didn't effect a lot of people in terms of how much they paid for. I honestly didn't know about it until this year.
TL;DR Companies aren't greedy to the point they'll prioritise weeding out tons of cash from a few people as opposed to the objectively better method of weeding out small amounts of money to a lot of people. AKA basic economics.
>>751720294
This
>>751720592
That's what I said...
>>751720620
He's retarded. I've been telling him in these threads all day long. He just wants to keep bending the term "neoliberalism" to mean anything he wants. He was raised by poors.
>>751720352
Sounds like it.
>>751720650
Imagine a future world of micro-pay
>>751720305
Photons, bitch.
>>751720620
>he thinks not wanting to be managed by people I have no recourse against is retarded
Fuck off, corporate shill.
>>751720755
>>>751720376
>>751720266
Net neutrality is the principle that Internet service providers and governments regulating most of the Internet must treat all data on the Internet the same, and not discriminate or charge differently by user, content, website, platform, application, type of attached equipment, or method of communication.[2] For instance, under these principles, internet service providers are unable to intentionally block, slow down or charge money for specific websites and online content.
Why is there so much confusion???
>>751720757
Its some troll making a shitty ultra-marxist argument for the purpose of being shot down by people defending his views that are contrary to his trolling
>>751720829
>Why is there so much confusion???
Because paid shills want the general public to not understand why NN benefits them and forces ISPs to meet customer demand for bandwidth via infrastructure rather than shunting those funds to shareholder dividends, forcing content providers to pay more for a service that he ISPs customers expect them to deliver like a utility.
I came in uncertain, got called a corporate shill, a neoliberal, etc., but I'm leaving convinced that the rules need to be left alone. Thanks anons.
>>751715170
There's no real reason to have net neutrality in America. Liberals don't think further than "muh internetz" but we live in a capitalist society and we need to promote the free market in order to make America great again
>>751719825
So? I have other possibilities open in my life than sleezing through the internets. I have had my fill of what it has to offer, and the years after the golden ones are but icing on a delicious cake you seemingly never got to eat.
How does it feel wasting your life believing in your countrymen stopping this bullshit time and time again? It's only a matter of time and enough pandering that you collectively raise your asses for your rich lords and let them take your everything with your very own consent?
Net Neutrality might still be prevented, but the idea still remains in the minds of your leaders. It will come again, in a new form, with better "promises", and one day (if you americunts havent fucked your country up completely before that) it'll be the main reason for the downfall of your so called civilization.
Not to imply that it'd be a good thing in anywhere in the world for such a superopower to collapse. It's gonna be a shitshow. Oh the amounts of quality content we'll be pouring just before the world is pulled to a crisis of the century.
The end is coming during our lifetimes, you asses. Make it worth waiting for
>>751721044
Fuck off cunt
>>751721079
>what subhumans dream about while surfing America's internet from their muslim infested "flats"
>>751721079
You must be a faggot with no life to write a thesis on 4chan that no one will read.
if you want to nuke somewhere...if you want to bomb a place...just go ahead and start with the entire city of Memphis Tennessee.
>>751721198
Kek
>>751721124
Fuck you liberal fag.
>>751721200
Wow, what a thesis it was. Four minutes of my time, less than 250 words.
I am simply bored. What are you?
>>751715170
why has net neutrality become a polictical issue?? It wasnt last year
>>751715443
judging by your horrible syntax i'd say you're
1) not educated
2) not from america
Also most people who use the phrase "niggering" aren't even old enough to work without parental permission, and are usually less than employable.
You stand to gain from this shit or you don't. If you don't own Comcast etc, you don't.
>>751720889
Kill yourself, neoliberal.
>>751721325
Stop using up the white Americans bandwidth and go drink some tea eurofag.
>>751721365
>1) not educated
>2) not from america
pick ONE
>>751721306
He's promoting net neutrality like a cuck, he's the liberal fag you fucking moron
>>751721365
This
>>751721079
prevented?? were trying not to prevent it you fucking moron
>>751721198
>thinking muslims have infested the rest of the world except your "pure white" country
Enjoy getting cucked by your officials while getting constantly flamed and harassed by the other political party you don't belong to at the moment
>>751721382
kill yourself, quasiconservative
>>751721391
Shut it down, and I will :)
>>751717282
Basically data caps. Bye bye torrenting.
>>751717282
imagine the internet is like your regular cable tv bill except all the channels are extra.
It is basically like that.
They can also change how fast, but mostly how slow, the internet is for visiting certain sites.
The end effect is that everyone will be paying more money to have your internet perform the same. If you pay the amount you do now, your internet will suck balls.
>>751720650
I'm bored so I'll bite the bait.
>Why does everyone think letting the companies do what they want [...]
I agree with you here, no one that's sane would ever believe that big companies like money more than they like happy costumers. Companies basically exist to make people happy, making money is always a secondary concern.
>I'll agree that some dickhead company might go EA mode, but smart companies [...]
You're once again correct, anyone that knows anything about technology should know that companies never collude to make more money. Remember when the Harddrive factory flooded and prices skyrocketed? All the companies got together and said "We need to sort this out as FAST as possible, so that we can offer the best prices to consumers and make them happy. And of course, let's NOT agree to artificially keep all the prices up and become rich." That's why the prices stabilized in a matter of weeks when the factory restored full capabilities, instead of in a matter of over 2 years. I'll explain what people that only have 1 choice regarding ISPs (like 90% of the US) should do in the next point.
>Also, even if the internet holocaust happens and every company [..]
This one is logical. If you don't like how ISPs are treating you, just make your own! Go to your closest money tree and harvest a few billion dollars and start your own ISP. Remember to talk to your local ISP and tell them not to use their influence to and money to drive you out of business. Don't worry, they'll be super stoked to have competition and will treat you real nicely. Remember that Rockefeller dude? He became the richest man by being really nice and helping out all their competitors, so people wanted to buy from him.
https://www.battleforthenet.com/
>Nuff Said
>>751717350
Not yet, but it is imminent. The right pieces are in play now, and they are ignoring dissenting opinions of any kind.
Voices aren't being heard because there is a lot of money to be had, and a lot of corruptible people in important positions right now.
If these people fear they will lose their jobs, they will not support it. So far, they've been able to ignore 23 million comments about it with barely any pushback.
>>751717282
>Being This New
>>751715170
/pol/ here fuck Net Neutrality in its nigger anus we will do everything to derail your opposition. You can thank liberals for that.
>>751715170
SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. What if i live in a rural area.A place where verizon is trying to shut out customers. what will become of our isp? Granted its on native american land and they have a monoply/agreement with the tribe here
>>751721746
/pol/ is like a weaker, insignificant /b/ when anon was here. fuck off
>>751719825
>mfw everything I buy is jap because I fucking want to see you crumble and everybody should stop buying american shit for the same reason
>>751721840
Get fucked /b/ it is you who is insignificant and weaker now. If removing NN causes liberals asshurt then we will push for the removal of NN and there i nothing you can do about it.
>>751720650
>>751721597
>Everything was okay before 2015 and when net neutrality was integrated it didn't effect a lot of people in terms of how much they paid for. I honestly didn't know about it until this year.
You're right. When telecoms said, "You know what, we want to control what websites people can visit and what online companies can thrive and which ones die", people said "WE DON'T WANT THAT." But that's because people are stupid, and Obama implemented Net Neutrality because he's evil and from Kenya. I also want to point out "I honestly didn't know about it until this year." because those are such inspiring words and truly demonstrate you're someone people should listen to about this topic.
>TL;DR Companies aren't greedy to the point they'll prioritise weeding out tons of cash from a few people as opposed to the objectively better method of weeding out small amounts of money to a lot of people. AKA basic economics.
Again the bastion of logic and truth. It's logical, if ISPs decided to jack up the prices to make tons of cash, everyone can just stop using the internet, simple as pie. They truly aren't greedy, remember, companies exist to serve the people, not themselves, that's basic economics.
>>751721865
how do you get japanese food and housing? Electricity and internet??
>>751721927
In reality, youre not doing anything, are you? O wait, youre arguing with a cuck on /b/, huh, /pol/?
It's about time cuckericans got FUCKED
>vote for the orange retard
>lose healthcare.
>get taxes increased
>lose internet
>lose social security
>lose medicare
The rest of the world laughs at you. Because you'll keep doing this to yourselves (voting republican, and getting assraped). It's why you'll never have nice things. :^)
>>751721927
>Get fucked /b/ it is you who is insignificant and weaker now.
>I will shit all over my floor if it means that my neighbor will have to smell it too.
That sounds like what a weak, insignificant, little insecure man would do to me.
Remember, Net Neutrality isn't a partisan issue. You are just a moron that wants to destroy America because people you don't like live in it too.
>>751722060
In the meantime, wevll lose the ability to eliminate the problem of having a literal gun pointed to our head by possessing an equalizer. Fuck you.
>>751722060
I'm actually glad to be a Eurofag for once.
>>751721965
Hurr, not being amerilard in the first place?
Are you familiar with the fact that you can pick your favourite brands for political reasons as well?
Fuck, the only way I support america is because sometimes I browse this cesspool. That's basically it: my internet provider, food, car, insurance, bank, girlfriend, everything related with money is absolutely burger-free.
And it's of course quality stuff, not like your ugly ass cars or your unhealthy hormone-fed meat. Only an idiot would buy american stuff not being american.
>>751722056
>>751722173
Stay mad dick heads this is what i live for /pol/ is the eternal jackboot stomping on your faggot face.
We win again.
>>751718672
>So, I'll ask the big question: what recourse do we have, if any?
If you're a foreigner, none. We're straight fucked if the US goes through with it, and I give 95% odds that this will happen.
If you are in the US, almost none. The guy in charge of the FCC has been bought out by the companies he's meant to be protecting the consumers from, and few if any of the politicians actually understand what this all means.
As someone in a previous thread about this said, the problem is that the people legislating on this are 20-40 years older than the people who are going to be effected by it, and are voted in by people who are of a similar age. All they hear are the companies and lobbies bitching about "nti-competitive practices" and kneejerk against it because they don't understand that it's important.
>>751721963
Ask yourself this, comrade. After the dust settles, what will you do with no internet?
I like how /pol/ tards will deliberately cripple their own platform just to be contrarian. You realize ISPs won't even allow you to visit your beloved /pol/ anymore?
The only thing that can save net neutrality are a bunch of oldfags, but sadly, we're few and far between these days.
I can't win this battle alone, new/summerfags.
If you don't know how to help, we've already lost.
RIP 4chan
>>751722253
oh man o wow, this guy is so woke. he must be a rick and morty fan. brands mean nothing to me.
>>751722230
I'm so glad to be a Britbong, Americans are fucking retards. They vote against their best interests every time. I love it.
>>751722306
>effect
>effected
Stop that.
>>751719696
this is the only post that makes sense here
here let me explain /pol/s position for the liberal faggots on /b/
Does it hurt liberals and make them screech like idiots yes/no
If yes then support
otherwise oppose
You bitches wanted a war and you got one.
>>751722211
you voted for trump asstard, WOOOHOOOOOOOOOO MURKA OWN IT YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!
L M F A O K E K E L S
>>751722429
Am Ameritard and sadly this is the truth.
I live in the South. Republicans have made their entire living off of tricking dumb ass people to consistently vote against their best interests.
It's embarrassing, really. At least rich people have a reason to vote republican; I don't blame them at all. It's the dumb, poor, and autistic that I blame for this mess.
>>751722259
Im so poor, you wont have a face to stomp in faggot, what then??
>>751721963
>obama implemented net neutrality because hes evil and from kenya
I hope that wasnt your... trump card
>>751722259
>We win again.
Are you a big Telecom major stockholder?
No? Then you've lost.
You're just a sad little cuck that'll willingly help pass a bill that says the Jews can fuck your wife just so that liberals will have their wives fucked as well so you can call them cucks on the internet that won't exist anymore.
>>751722529
If you look carefully, you'll notice all of it is satire.
This is what happens, America, when you cant beat your kids
>>751720650
>Also, even if the internet holocaust happens and every company in existence becomes greedy as fuck, it wouldn't matter because somebody will be smart and get more money by just being the cheapest option for the same service, that's how the free market works.
Yes, it's not like the large companies have lobbies that make this difficult to do and can't just forcibly buy out smaller companies.
Oh, wait.
The big companies are salivating over this and they already have an effective monopoly. There are literally cities that have been fucked over by ISPs because they tried to install their own infrastructure and got wrecked in court because it was deemed to be too unfair to the companies that weren't providing that service and had no interest in doing so.
>>751722643
well, you know what they say, when in rome
Canadian here
I hope it happens so I can create the new YouTube for non Americans to use
If this passes it will make a lot of non Americans very rich
>i deserve free Internet so i can shit up the boards complaining about Trump and /pol/
No. Liberals btfo
>>751722713
what i mean by that is let immigrants rule your world
>>751720650
Small companies don't have the infrastructure to do this, you fucking retarded ass pajeet.
These same companies have proven time and time again that, yes, they will do exactly that. I've dealt with timewarner/spectrum my entire privileged life.
>>751722324
Probably kill myself. I don't have much to live for anyway.
I'm not strong enough to resort to violence, but I'm sure others will. Maybe this issue will make the left realize that guns are important to protect themselves from a tyrannical government and come to their senses regarding that.
Finally the thickheadedness of Republicans causes America to fall to its knees.
Pretty soon every one will be poorer, Americans will have lower quality of life, meanwhile China is investing money in super cities and clean energy.
Goodnight USA! It was fun while it lasted, shouldn't have kept those mouthbreathing, bible thumping, gun toting lunatics around for so long. Now you'll have to explain to them what computers are, then tell them what the internet is, and then try to explain net neutrality before Hannity comes on to tell them what to think. And it for damn sure won't be about Net Neutrality.
Sincerely,
The rest of the world.
>>751722768
faggots that use btfo
what does that mean?
bow the fuck out
born to fuck off
bout to fun on
blow than fat oni?
fucking retard
>>751715170
ill be rich , i work for version
>>751722746
>Canadian here
>I hope it happens so I can create the new YouTube for non Americans to use
Google has the financial means to compete in the new internet.
>If this passes it will make a lot of non Americans very rich
On the contrary, this will make a lot of Americans very rich, namely major telecoms and their shareholders.
>>751715170
>anon made hillary cry
>anon raised the lord of kek
>anon put trump in office
>it's been lul ever since
>anon watches the world burn for the lul
>>751722517
Republicans have been stripping education from their base because they know it makes more Republicans in the long run.
>>751722481
Nope. I lost all hope in the political process when Trump and Clinton went to the primaries.
>>751722902
youll make the same, maybe even less because of capitalism you fucking.. omg just fuck offf
>>751722955
>everyone who doesn't agree with me is stupid
t. liberal
now that net neutrality will be abolished
I'll lose 4chan
I guess that means you faggots ( ._.)
>>751722634
NO
What fascinating country of pedophiles and retards that's become America.
Apparently they're defending pedophilia and the rape of minors now, while they fleece the middle class in order to line the pockets of the ultra rich.
Any other nation would revolt. Apparently they're pussies as well as retards/pederasts.
>>751722800
dubs, check em. Kek blesses this post
>>751722902
>be 2034
>world enslaved by Verizon
>anon still works at Verizon cleaning the toilets
>"c-can i have a raise from $7.25/hr to $100000/hr like i said i would on the internet? i mean we're super rich now right?"
>"we? HA, keep scrubbing those toilets faggot"
>"o-ok"
>>751723014
>is not right
t. republican
ftfy
but then again, thats not what this is about, is it?
>>751723051
We'll be here if you ever come back. KEK which means never because you vote for people who buttfuck you into oblivion K E K
>b....but hillary's emails... guise?
look she was a cunt, we get it. but you went full retard again. you deserve this.
>>751723014
It's not about not agreeing with me in general. It's about not agreeing on fucking consensus shit that is obviously against majority interests.
Things like trying to invest in coal while it's a dead industry. Or denying the human element of climate change. Or not investing in clean energy, an industry we could totally dominate if resources were put into it.
Listen, anon. I work for one of the major energy companies in the south. Coal is dead; it's done. Even with this shit Trump is pulling, the company has already said that there's no money to be made there anymore.
Merely an example of dumb ass policy that's leading our country to the fucking grave. Thing is, we'll just take everyone out with us if it gets too bad, and that's what I'm afraid of. We'd rather nuke the god damn planet than see someone else succeed because of our shitty priorities.
>>751722253
This fella gets it.
They have to fuckin fall. China is better, at least religion and guns count absolutely 0. Sure, they are particullary ugly, numerous and they live only to make money, but you know what they say, the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
Ni Hao, chinafags.
Farewell, USA.
some guy said it was beautiful, I think it was pathetic and literally every non american human being will live better lives without you lardballs around.
>>751723093
cont.
>goes on 4chan
>posts about jews and niggers who stole all of his riches.
>brags about how he told them off and everyone applauded
>>751719485
Better than being a culture jacker
>>751723241
Read. >>751722465
>>751723241
Republicans are so far behind the times its fucking embarrassing. Allying with them for any purpose means you're probably fucking retarded, sorry if that offends the diehard Trump supporters who thought America would be better off.
We're not, going back to shitty economic and environmental policies isn't how we stay at the top.
China will rule the Earth while the Republicans will just shrug and say they're right because Jesus said so.
>>751720266
dubs, check 'em! lord kek blesses this post. Sadly, anon aint gonna do sh*t. Let the glory of kek reign, it's been lol since trump got into office. haha, you put him in office, now enjoy the funny sh*t to come
>>751723561
Yay cutting off your nose to spite your face. Solid plan. We deserve to die
>>751723580
China has literal smog cities full of dog eating Chinamen you ignorant arrogant libtard. That is not an exaggeration either so why the fuck should anyone on the right listen to a word that comes pouring out of your mopey cunt mouth when it comes to NN
>>751723677
dubs! lord kek blesses this post
>>751723354
Look at Oliver Optimist here, thinking 4chan will exist on Verizonet™.
>>751720650
It's almost like corporations haven't tried to do this before 2015. AT&T refused Facetime because they didn't like it. Verizon has done the same shit...
The only thing that changed their mind was public backlash.
Now if this is signed, who gives a shit about your public backlash? You need us, we don't need you logic. Majority of places only have 1 ISP to choose from.
.
>>751723677
Murka you have to purge people like this poster.
Soon he'll be blathering about CNN.
This is the retard that destroyed your country. Kill 'em all.
>>751723777
trips! lord kek blesses this post
>>751723862
Yes kill me for stating facts about the great economic power of China where they have polluted so many waterways they now suffer a fresh water crisis.
>>751724056
your kind has destroyed the US, you disgusting conservative piece of trash. you must be destroyed.
in the last year your kind have done nothing to bolster America's economy. you've systematically taken it apart. you must die.
>>751722643
The only real big provider that could have a monopoly is AT&T and Comcast. Verizon, Sprint and T-Mobile are on the same level, and I can guarantee one will be smart and not charge people up the ass like they did before 2015.
(Comcast isn't a distributing company either, they're a telemarketing company.)
>>751724140
I will throw you into a fucking gas chamber before i give an inch to you communist pieces of shit. The right triumphant march of the right are is going to fuck you and your liberal order one country at a time and there is nothing that you and your shitskinned hordes can do to stop us.
>>751723218
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>>751724280
>The right triumphant march of the right are is going to fuck you and your liberal order one country at a time and there is nothing that you and your shitskinned hordes can do to stop us.
That's true, but it's also going to fuck you just as hard. You guys always forget that part.
Taking the multi track fuck off to the both of you>>751723066
>>751721865
>>751722917
Wrong
They will be making significantly less
>>751724508
When did /b/ get rid of its IDs i have baited so many faggots i want to know if it is the same ones.
>>751717418
that wont work on eu, whanna know why? because of what your country is supposed to have but dosent, Free market. here where i live i have the choice between 5 isp which always keep competing witheach other so if one fucks up, i just move to the other one, thats the problem with the US and net neutrality, most people only have the choice between one or two isp over there.
>>751724614
So what you're telling me, is that telecoms are fighting teeth and claw so they can get rid of Net Neutrality, because they want more control in order to make less money?
>>751724663
>haHA! You are retarded because you believed I was retarded when I was only pretending!
>>751724663
It's the complete opposite actually.
The telecoms in the US have a Free Market, which means that the first company to get rich can use its money to prevent other companies from succeeding, therefore making more money by not having competition.
You guys have more than 1 ISP because your government doesn't let them do that shit.
>>751723074
It's funny that the country that's adamant about having guns to protect their freedoms is the one that has time after time willinfly given up their freedoms, and defended doing it
I think that corporations exploited a topic of debate to get them off the hook for their incredibly large share of traffic. I'm not anti-NN, but why does it have to be Title II and why does it have to be a bureaucratic rule that can be changes (or gotten rid of) at will? Let's just do what we used to and lobby our representatives for a law that does what it needs to and nothing more.
That said, I don't think anything will change. The term throttling gets thrown around, but I think that what will happen instead is prioritization. 4chan won't be much slower, you might have to wait an extra few milliseconds.
Netflix alone consumes more than half of peak traffic, so why can't they pay ISPs for better peering? If the agreements are abusive, they can still complain to FTC.
> Free Market, which means that the first company to get rich can use its money to prevent other companies from succeeding
Literally not a free market then. It comes down to cities creating franchise agreements based on an old idea that, if a company makes a large investment to serve everybody in a particular area, they should enjoy a certain amount of time as a regulated monopoly until they see ROI. It worked for telephones, but it's an obsolete model.
>>751724834
shit youre right, today i learned something, and remembered that nothing can advance without regulations, be it that shitty kid whoose parents never beat or big corps that made a monopoly on internet
get fucked americunt you deserved it haha
>>751725130
You realise the guy in charge of these regulations has sold out to the will of companies and wants to enable them to act against the best interests of consumers, right?
Something something free market, something something capitalism, something something #maga.
>I am okay with paying extra for my internet, despite already paying for my internet
Remember: Soros can buy his way in and cripple access to Breitbart, Fox etc. You snooze, you lose, Ajeet Pajeet wins
They tried to repel the net neutrality in India
It didn't got much hype like it is getting in your country
Of course not everyone understood it, so they didn't care
Those who understood it tried to protest
I don't believe it was very difficulty but they couldn't repel net neutrality
>>751717190
ISPs and Backbone suppliers are required to treat all traffic equally under Net Neutrality (i.e. Title II regulation) this includes international traffic. This idea is called 'common carrier' and it applies to various utilities in the US including phone and electric and gas.
Theoretically this means that without common carrier international traffic could be throttled or even stopped all together. So if the website you want to reach is located in the US, then US carriers could simply refuse your request or only provide a trickle of bandwidth for you since you are not directly making them money.
>>751715170
hahahaha shame ameritards, how's your glorious capitalism working out there?
>>751719251
Dude, that's literally how the second world accessed the Internet in the 90's, by paying per MB.
>>751725899
I think you missed my points.
>>751715170
As a web developer this will seriously disrupt/ hinder business for me.
As a customer I don't want ISPs to start charging the internet equivalent of DLC/microtransactions for stuff that was previously included in the overall price. Pic realated.
>>751726184
You seem to be arguing in favour of ending net neutrality.
And also arguing that the same agencies who are acting to remove consumer protections will for some reason be inclined to protect consumer rights to the level they are currently forced to after the changes to laws means they don't have to, when they already don't want to.
>>751726628
> changes to the law
It's not law, it's a rule created with authority from the law, an authority they gave themselves in violation of the spirit (but not text) of the law. So yes, I'm in favor of ending this specific iteration of NN. But I also explicitly said I'm pro-NN. I think the approach is very flawed. Title II is very comprehensive and FCC said "we'll only use our sweeping authority for this one thing, honest". That doesn't make good policy.
> the same agencies who are acting to remove consumer protections will for some reason be inclined to protect consumer rights
FCC never had that authority until they took it. FTC has always been responsible for protecting the consumer. And I never implied that they would protect consumers after stripping themselves of that responsibility. I'm arguing we need to have a real debate and pass an actual law with protections codified and removed from the whims of any future Presidential administration.
>>751727062
I should've more explicitly stated that FTC has always had the authority to review the practices. It will go back to before, they just need to do their job which they didn't want to do under the previous administration.
>>751726071
Stop commenting on shit you don't understand
>>751718308
>Critizes china for censoring internet
Not even on the same fucking level. Take this shit to plebbit.
does anyone know how/if this can do anything against proxys/vpns/tor ?
>>751716717
do you honestly believe that this won't create more competition in the long run? honest question anon
>>751715170
Well I watch a lot of streams and play a fair amount of video games, so I’ll end up paying more than I do now.
My biggest concern is that if they repeal net neutrality the isps and cell phone companies can basically do whatever they want. They could slow down sites like Netflix and Hulu to promote their tv services. Is that what you want you dam cuck
>>751728443
>They could slow down sites like Netflix and Hulu to promote their tv services
No. FTC won't allow shit like that. Once NN goes away such abuses fall back to FTC.
>>751718233
I'm pretty sure he can't define market indicator let alone give a reputable source. He's just parroting something he's been told to believe.
>>751727203
They don't want to do their job under Trump, either.
They're literally supporting anti-consumer practices. What Ajit Pai and company want to do is about as anti-consumer as you can get.
You might be against this iteration of net neutrality, but what they want to do is not going to improve anything for anyone.
Well, aside from the shareholders and lobby groups, who are about to make out like bandits, by engaging in what may as well be banditry.
>>751728292
It's already a near-monopoly that new players have an exceedingly hard time breaking into. Of course it's not going to foster competition, this is all about maximising profits for the players who've strangled all other life out of the market.
>>751728148
VPNs are still limited by the plans you pay for, it just means that people can't see what you're doing and you can get around some things like websites that are meant to be blocked in your country.
>>751728531
>No. FTC won't allow shit like that. Once NN goes away such abuses fall back to FTC.
...
This is literally what the proposed changes are about, anon. That's exactly what they want to be able to do because at the moment Time-Warner has to treat data from Netflix as equivalent to their own services, and they don't like that. They want to be able to level punitive measures against consumers to drive them onto their own platforms or force them to pay more.
The FTC ain't gonna do shit about it because the new raft of laws are supported by the idiots there and at the FCCC, since they have been bought out by industry lobbies.
Okay so people in my zipcode have literally only ONE brand of internet to choose. All other companies do not service our zipcode. The local cable company and TWC have split up surrounding zipcodes so that my zipcode and some others cannot get any other ISP. This is WITH NET neutality. IF this shit pases we're all fucked. Basically will be a monarchy with the brands sitting on their fucking throne getting richer and richer saying "fuck the customer" even more s than before. My local ISP already slows shit down and thats after we upgraded to a more expensive plan. The internet is a utility. The only person I know who doesnt use it is my old as grandma. Hell, even my neighbour whos like 99 uses it and she uses a fucking MACbook!
>>751727469
That's actually pretty close to the truth, though. This whole deal has some major issues.
>>751729214
Just trust in capitalism, anon.
Surely your ISP won't use the changes in law and their total monopoly to fuck you even harder, right?
That's their argument for this. The market is insufficiently "free" and needs to be changed so things can be more "competitive."
>>751722306
If you're a foreigner it won't affect you anyway, consumer laws stop that. Atleast until the UK reforms the EU's Regulation on Open Internet Access and the UK becomes just as fucked.
>>751729808
>If you're a foreigner it won't affect you anyway, consumer laws stop that.
Problem one is that America controls a massive amount of internet infrastructure, some of which is overseen by these companies.
Problem number two is that this is exactly the sort of shit America loves getting written into Free Trade Agreements so that its companies can compete better with existing local services.
Problem three is that ISPs globally are proven greedy fucks, and this is absolutely a global trial balloon. If the US approves this they'll be pressuring other countries so fast you'll have to invent a new unit of time to measure it.
>>751718559
American doesn't control the internet, but it does have a big influence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regional_Internet_registry
>>751720760
To further elaborate on the electricity analogy :
Until now you paid a given price for one unit of electricity (watts), and same goes for data (bytes). Then, net neutrality means that your power company cannot limit you depending on how you spend your electricity, eg. They can't rate you more for the electricity that goes to your computer, restrict the hours where you can run your oven, or block power for your sex robot.
But it's still true that you can pay more or less for more or less electricity. Just that the power company can't dictate what you're going to do with it.
That the same with ISPs, you can always pay more for a better Internet as a whole (ie. getting more bytes), but after this you can't be restricted to how you're going to use it.
The issue is non-existent with power because the consumption is physically made at your house, and power companies cannot control it anyways. Confusion happen with net neutrality because "paying for a better service" can be understood as both "I give more to my provider to have more bytes" and "I give more to my provider to have more bytes going from/to my Netflix"
PS: ofc I know you don't literally pay for X amount of bytes/watts. It's just for simplification.
>>751729205
You do realize that most of the recent mergers include stipulations for NN, right? Comcast is bound by it for now, T II or not.
>>751729214
That's not what NN is you mong, why are you here?
Im in another country so it wont affect me.
>>751731038
And you do realise that if the repeals pass, all of those consumer protections will go away?
>>751718594
Faggot shill.
>>751731137
No, it was a condition of approving their mergers, so they are bound by a separate agreement with the government.
>>751729214
That sounds so american it reads like the national anthem.
>>751731243
And guess who's in charge of enforcing it? Oh, right. The guy who was formerly paid by Verizon to argue against net neutrality and is currently repealing it.
Surely we can trust him to do an unbiased job with this.
Oh, wait. The other thing.
And that's assuming you're right. Even if you are, you know that they're going to go back and say "This is no longer a law for anyone else, wah wah wah" and get it overturned. The whole reason the laws exist right now is that companies can't be trusted to self-regulate.
>>751718041
Stupid people maybe.
>>751731360
>And guess who's in charge of enforcing it? Oh, right. The guy who was formerly paid by Verizon to argue against net neutrality and is currently repealing it.
No. FTC enforces the agreements, and they predate Title II regulation. Why are you so autistically stuck in your thinking?
>>751718495
There is no competition. There’s already regulations in place preventing it in localities. The game is fixed