did this last night, lets see if a different audience reacts differently.
ask a graffiti writer anything
>>750968983
dont care about graffiti artists, just dont put your shitty shit on my warehouse or I'll shoot you.
>>750968983
Not too bad - German? Zoro isn’t very original but
>>750969022
i only paint trains
>>750969071
i live in wien, austria.
>>750969110
I used to write, had 38 pieces up in my city on the lines at the zenith.
Back when I was 16-20, how old are you? I’m 43 now
>>750968983
neat
>>750968983
What do you expect to hear? Of course the response is going to be mostly negative, graffiti is vandalism in the eyes of most, especially when it comes to writing gang signs and whatnot... Sure it is artistic, to a degree, but true art is admired by not only the creator. True art will also age well, and provoke thought, unlike some funky wording that has no meaning to anyone other than yourself.
If you have an inner desire to express yourself, that's great. But do so on your own accord, not at the expense of someone's million dollar train. Just imagine if someone came and drew all over your car, or bedroom wall, would you be pleased?
>>750969288
I'm between 27-35. i dont want to tell my actual age as i am still very active.
>>750969288
Anyways, I’d recommend you channel your wild energy into something that will benefit you. Most of my old graff mates are dead from drugs, in jail due to drugs or with a criminal record and brain dead from drugs. Take it easy bro.
>>750969420
it doesn't cost a million dollars to remove the paint off of the side of a train. Arguably he is creating a job, which is more than most artists can claim to do.
>>750969420
i think that graffiti is misunderstood and seen as something only done by kids who are school drop outs or gangs. this is not the case, its a very broad culture that encompasses people from all walks of life and ages.
i can agree, it is vandalism, at its very core and that is not seen very well by a lot of people, but there is a lot more talent involved in painting on trains than a kid who writes his name on a wall outside school.
We're you born trash or did you make yourself that way?
>>750968983
What's the best way to paint a train and avoid cops?
>>750969541
creating an unnecessary job for the company, causing them to spend money that could've been spent elsewhere.
>>750969541
your image says more about the mentality, even if i dont like the source of the quote.
>>750969466
Well you are old enough to have had a few mates die etc
There is one old schooler (say doing Graf since 88) still doing illegal Graf in my city, he has epilepsy though so it was a bigger part of his life cause he couldn’t drive n shit. He used to get beat up by the crim writers, who propably don’t still beat him up cause they are dead or in jail or post-drug addict christians
>>750969541
It does not no, but the train itself costs that much.
Anyways, just because it's inexpensive, doesn't make it your canvas. It costs more than having to remove anything in the first place.
Think of it a different way... As a graffiti artist you are commiting the ultimate sin, and that is ruining another artists work. Buildings and trains are all designed to look a certain way. By drawing over them, you're erasing the original artists work.
>>750969420
That's wrong though.
>>750968983
>picture named after the date it was taken
>31/1/2015
>last night
Piss poor bait.
>>750969625
make sure to work hard to figure out the spot. be smart with your painting and make sure to be very careful. its also very important to continue this security after the action is made, never assume the police are stupid.
>>750969638
the money is rarely re-invested
>>750969652
Lucky for me non of my close friends have died painting but i have of course heard many stories from others about friends of friends. it is a dangerous lifetsyle in that respect, but that danger is part of the experience in my view.
>>750969420
I like it
>>750969710
this + no timestamp of yesterday
sage
>>750969710
i did this thread once last night, the panel was not painted last night. i would never post recent evidence online
I am legitimately interested, OP. When and how did you start? I assume you started on paper. How old were you? And how difficult was it to start? Did you have any prior background in art?
>>750969670
in my opinion it looks better when someone has painted it. it is not only about the paint, the piece and the letter stle, or even the colours they have used. every single piece of graffiti you see on a train or a trackside has a story attached to it, and that is what makes it special for me. seeing a new piece in a place i can imagine what they did to get there, and how they have planned the action and executed it. that is what makes it special for me
>>750969745
If it’s about thrills why not do something that will make you cash
I was a strict no sell out, other writers in my city my age when on to be part of that international bullshit aerosol art scene, makin money.
I’m ok, fluked a good property deal in my late 20s that paid off my house, when a forklift driver so I’m not bitter but fuk a sell out
Saw this in Darwin.
im pesk one whaddup
Graffiti is the skateboarding of art.
It's something you think is awesome when you're 16 but once you become an adult you're embarrassed you wasted your youth on it.
>>750969745
Doesnt matter if the money isnt re-invested, doesnt matter what's done with it, it's money that didnt need to be spent on removing some asswipes attempt at being edgy and rebellious.
>>750969911
Darwin Australia?
>>750969792
i started it in my home town when i was 16. i started first to get interested in seeing graffiti, then emulating it of course at home on paper. then i had a friend who had an older brother who made graffiti on trains and he took us along with him one night when i was 18. from that night i was hooked on this life, the action of finding a weakness and then exploiting that weakness and not being caught is special. i have always been interested in art and drawing
9999
Looks shite Why dont u Spray shit on ur own stuff?
>>750969965
Yep
>>750969897
i have a good job, it pays for me to have a home and to travel and to continue to paint whenever i want to. I don't want to sell my art, it's not for sale. its free for anyone who can see it
>>750969934
>It's something you think is awesome when you're 16
>>750969974
>i started it in my home town when i was 16.
Nailed it.
>>750970017
Fuck the Kangaroos have learned how to paint!
>>750970012
because i prefer to paint on trains
>>750968983
what makes you entitled to defecate public property which working people (not you obviously) payed for?
>>750969560
>there is a lot more talent involved in painting on trains than a kid who writes his name on a wall outside school.
There's more talent in pulling off a diamond robbery than mugging a child for their iPhone. Creating jobs in security and law enforcement aren't the noble motivations for criminals, so there's not really a positive way to spin it as some might try.
That said, I like the creativity and art. Had good friends who used to write while we went urban exploring. One even made the news for hitting up a whole train station overnight
>>750970086
So buy a fucking train you degenerate.
Why can't you fuckers ever right in plain English?
I can't fucking read any of it, it just looks like a bunch of shapes to me
>>750969638
Elsewhere, like reunion to put back gold standard so it won't be fake money anymore ?
>>750970030
Yeah no dis but at your age what’s the point. 10 years of illegal writing is enough.
I dropped my last illegal 2 years ago when drunk with a mate at age of 41, 25 years after my first illegal.
I would have rather fucked a young 18 yo prostitute that night lol
I like you OP. I see nothing wrong with doing art on sides.
I hate kids who scrowl on walls but if you are gonna take the time to make your painting look good, I don't really see a problem.
faggot! Dont want to see your childish painting on public stuff.
>>750968983
How does it feel to know you will never amount to anything in your life?
>>750968983
Looks like shit you degenerate scum
Why do you only shave your left goose egg?
>>750970182
The gold standard isnt a good idea. Currency being backed by objects themselves isnt a good idea, currency should be worth what the populace deem it is worth.
Fellow GraffFag here.
What you pulled off right there is dank and clean.
Your tag tho.Zoro?That's a bit uncreative but you do you ;) Keep going i love it
>>750968983
Are you genuinely too fucking stupid to realize that you can just smear your feces on paper instead of damaging another person's property? Or is that why you do it in the first place? Because you're too stupid to properly process your rage at your own massive shortcomings and inadequacies so you have to go take it out on other people?
>>750969881
Tell that to the train fanatics who think seeing a pristine train is a blissful experience.
You have no right to scrawl over something someone else has designed, and something someone else owns.
If you're a talented artist, you can display your work in other ways. All graffiti artists do is shove their work down peoples throats by putting their work in public places, where it can't be easily removed.
>>750970118
i do it because i want to, and because i can. when i cant anymore, i'll stop.
>>750970140
true, and if me and my friends wanted to i dont doubt we could turn our skillset into doing something more criminal, but for me that isn't the motivation.
>>750970159
>right in plain English
good one. everyone has a style
>>750970209
i cant stop. i know i dont have long left, physically, but for now it keeps my mind switched on and focussed on something i am passionate about.
>>750970211
thanks
>>750970234
you are making the assumption i havent already amounted to anything
>>750970297
i dont only paint the same name, i use lots of different names to avoid building a database of evidences
>>750968983
why not make actual art instead of just writing stupid words that dont mean anything?
I did tag up trains but realised it was just damaging shit. From there I just stuck to factory walls facing the train line. A mate painted about 40 trains, he’d even do the broad daylight shit. He did 6 months after a guy he did a paint break with ratted him out. Now owns a lolly shop and has about 7 kids.
>>750970354
Your first reply proves the point.
You aren't an artist, you're just a thrill seeking vandal.
>>750968983
Dumb blob of shit detected
This guy isnt evev original
For fucks sake what he does is just uninteresting dull shit
Its about as interesting as dog crap
>>750970353
>All graffiti artists do is shove their work down peoples throats
we are not the only ones. why shouldnt i be able to show you what i want you to see when all around us companies do the same thing with the same lack of permissions?
>>750970159
>Why is cubism all abstract.
>Just looks like a bunch of shapes to me.
whigger bullshit to be honest
Moar??
>>750970374
>implying niggers can think coherently for long enough to write something that actually conveys any sort of meaning
>>750970374
why do anything? if i painted the same letters on a canvas it would continue to be the same art, but on a different medium.
>>750970382
when trains stops to appealing to me, then i will stop
>>750969911
That looks like "delsk"s work
>>750970159
>right in plain English
You failed hard.
>>750970498
>it would continue to be the same art
as in complete trash no one would want to look at and you know it. which is why you put your shit up where people have to look at it, because it'd get no exposure otherwise. face it, you know your """"art"""" is as worthless as the junk you spray it on
>>750968983
Hi OP, you did this thread last night and got nearly 300 replies. Why are you seeking more attention for your drivel.
You’re still a useless vandal.
Your teenage friend, Rossko
>>750970518
Unfamiliar with that person.
What country?
>>750970382
I’d always paint alone as well.
Brother got ratted out when he pieced trains with the same old school Graf fanboy still writing in my city.
That guy ‘Amuck’ as I say doesn’t drink drug or drive cause of the epilepsy- still writes cause it’s his one pastime. But of a fuckin nerd
>>750970563
often the panels i do never are seen by anybody except train workers. they never leave the yard. i do this for totally selfish reasons
>>750970584
different time of day, so a different audience.
>>750969466
between 27 and 35 and still acting like some 15 year old delinquent hahahahahahahah
wow you should seriously go and get some help
No I'm not even trolling. Really I think you need to stop what you are doing and start re-evaluating your life. You are no longer 14 or 15. You have reached the age of 27 and this is all you have attained, the ability to scrawl some made up name on the side of a train. No, really you should get help. I can well imagine other people your age and younger laugh their balls off at how you are acting. I would be very worried if I were you. Start by dressing like you are older than 14. Then stop all this pretence that you are achieving anything by writing on trains. Get a job any job stop doing drugs
>>750968983
Liar it was fine in 2012. http://blog.spraycity.at/?m=201201
>>750970624
i only paint with a select number of people who are close friends. always a risk of being caught and you have to trust your partners in crime
>>750970626
Never met a bunch of people more ‘bitchy’ than Graf Writers as well. I also would just keep with my local mates.
>>750968983
>ask a graffiti writer anything
> writer
your 'writing' is fucking TOY. (for non-graf artists: that means it's fucking LAME). i would paint over it in an instant with something better than this lame shit. keep trying! maybe one day you'll actually get some skills and sell out your already wide and thrashed out asshole like banksy? :)
>>750970626
Same outcome though, most think you’re a piece of shit.
Ok Bruv
>>750970626
>different time of day, so a different audience.
>You’re still a useless vandal.
This
>>750970211
This is me but I agree with the above comment.
You should stop been such a faggot OP and paint somthing that dosen't get other faggots so butthurt.
I'd actually pay for a canvas pic?
£50 inc post and I'm sold?
>>750970666
i dont know many 15 year olds who paint trains. im sure they exist somewhere though, good for them. i dont do any drugs
>>750970744
cool bro, paint over whoever you want, that often says more about you than those you go over.
>>750970827
your ability to regurgitate things other people wrote in a thread is impressive, well done.
>>750970622
Fucking darwin, man. Looks heaps like his art.
>>750970900
i dont sell my graffiti
>>750970917
I can recall last night as well as you it seems.
Ok Tarzan
>>750970622
He did a huge mural on the overpass for baggot rd
>>750970995
You should start.
Infact I'll pay the 50 to see my name on the side of a train?
>>750971075
no, im not for sale. i dont do this for the money
>Be OP
>suck cock on a daily basis
>parents don’t love me
>bullied at school
>27 year old virgin (at least)
>decide to show the world who’s boss
>run around at night with teenagers spray painting trains
>call it a subculture
>admiration from the teenagers is awesome
>they call me Rossko or Tarzan or some shit
>look mom I’m taking down capitalism
>start a thread on /b/, those anarchists will dig my street art
>get owned
>cry
>make a new thread the next day for more attentions
>get owned
>cry
Repeat?
>>750971014
>▶
I honestly don't care if he makes it look good.
You ride through bridges in britan and some kids just flipped his gangstar name on a wall and it looks shit.
If they paint it well, it's honestly ok by me.
>>750970917
>i dont know many 15 year olds who paint trains. im sure they exist somewhere though, good for them. i dont do any drugs
Wow you arent even on any drugs. OK well that simplifies it, you just need to go to your regular doctor and explain that you need some professional counseling as you are having behavioural problems which are affecting your status within society. You need help from someone who can help you to see the futility of what you are doing and help you to move forward in a way which will allow you to catch up with the rest of society. You claim not many 15 year olds do that stuff. Well believe me not many people do it at all, and theres a reason. The majority of people your age have found meaningful interaction with life. They arent wasting their time doing stuff that will not benefit them in the future: They have grown up, in other words and their endeavours are toward a future where they arent a burden on the rest of society
>>750971216
Good boy. I'm proud.
>>750971296
there is a lot of bad graffiti, although some tags on train lines tell a good story.
>>750970118
Public property is for everyone.
>>750971323
You missed the point. I actually hope you catch cancer more than OP.
>>750971438
His idea of a good story must be
>hurr durrrr THYK CUNT WOZ ERE
>>750971558
This
>>750970118
Deface.?
>>750971558
you see a tag which tells you that somebody has walked that line, then maybe you see a piece on a hard to reach spot and you can work out how they got to there, or sometimes not, and you can see the skills very obviously for everyone to see.
my favourite type of tag is the one under a train, so you can see very easily who has been in a train yard and approximately when. it's like a diary for the whole city
>>750971282
Topkek nailed it
>>750971711
NOOOO
Stop been 15!
>>750968983
If your art is removed from its original setting to sell in say an art gallery is it still a valid expression of artistic ideal shorn of context or just paint on a wall?
>>750969022
>NIMBY
I keep helping this faggot and he just keeps making himself sound like a twat.
>>750971851
not really. the gallery should remain the original context in which it was painted. as ive said in this thread the actual panel that is painted is a small part of the wider story which is associated with the action. there is months of work, walking, research, watching, failed attempts and chases, missed opportunities and bad outcomes. eventually the circumstances are corrected and everything falls into place which allows you 5 minutes in time to complete the action which you have intended for a long time. that cannot be expressed in an art gallery setting, and taking that graffiti from the original setting removes the entire feeling behind it.
>>750968983
Vandalism. I hope they catch you
>>750971711
It's not a diary. It's a fucking eyesore sprayed by an edgy kid rebelling from his cozy middle-class family.
>>750971282
/thread
Shitty bait is shitty. Fuck you, OP. Stop waisting everyone's time.
>>750972115
i am in one of wien's most known graffit crews, there is a lot of pictures online of my paint
>>750972159
Sure you are, friendo.
>>750968983
Was there last night for it. You're still a cunt who paints over other peoples shit for your own gratification. And in ugly illegible nigger letters.
Here's hoping someone one day catches you and forces your mom to pay for all the shit you've damaged so you can watch her live in destitution until she dies because you wanted to feel a rush and see your shit up.
Because nobody wants it. There's a reason it stays up for weeks at a time - because there's so many niggers and spics and wannabe white kids doing it, it takes forever to get someone to take it down.
>>750968983
>did this last night
>>750972115
Then why lie about when you did it. Again: Fuck you, OP. Go back to reading your lesson for today's quiz. This site is for adults and not little piss-ass tikes.
>>750972323
i did the thread before, last night, not the paint
sorry, english is my 3rd language
>>750968983
If i had the chance to SHOOT you, destroying property, motherfucker.
>>750972442
Maga autist detected
>>750972474
FUCK YOU
Hi OP, if you are real then how does it feel knowing most think you’re a piece of shit two days running?
New thread, same response.
Ok Bruv
>>750972159
>one of wien's most known graffit crews
>>750972411
>i did the thread before, last night, not the paint
Really? So you're so badass that the pic you post is 5 years old. You're just digging yourself deeper in a hole. Come back when you're over 18.
>>750972531
He's doing it twice because we told him he's a piece of shit last night. So he's hoping to get an audience that will applaud him and say "good for you for not having a stake in anything and painting your bullshit on other peoples stuff". Because it's not about self expression - he's not really expressing anything, just writing his name on shit. It's about self gratification. And his "crew" where he can listen to shitty hiphop and pretend he's black even though he's white as the driven snow, and delivers it with all the grace of Vanilla Ice.
>>750968983
why dont you play
"knock door - run", instead?
It's on the same level of maturity and can be just as exciting.
Just knock peoples doors then run away before they see you
>did this last night
>filename
>31 - 01 - 2015
???
>Poofter ?
Hi OP. Are you going to abandon your own thread because you’re being destroyed so much, just like you did last night?
Your friend, Rossko
>>750972929
im still here. nobody is asking questions
>>750972990
I just asked you one.
Ok Zoro
>>750972990
That was a question.
Your buddy Tarzan with luv
>>750973057
not samefag. im still here
>>750973057
929 and 017 yes that was me. I can post more than once in a thread.
990 is OP, you ducking idiot
>>750972990
you're a weak cunt , i will end your life if i catch you spraying my lines.
>>750969075
You're an asshole
>>750968983
Idiot, I hope you will get run over by a train. Dumbfuck.
Is this going better than last night OP?
>>750973331
there were some good and interesting discussions at first, now american kids are awake before school the level has dropped and the edginess has increased, as expected.
people think i havent heard it all before, and like its an original argument. it isn't
>>750973057
>>750973473
congratulations you can use developer tools. kys
>>750973528
>developer tools
Wut?
>>750973576
>>750973462
You haven’t heard it all before, otherwise you wouldn’t have abandoned your own thread last night.
And why make the same thread the next day if you’ve heard it all before?
Your friend Zoro. Oh no wait, you’re Zoro. Cool edgy nickname spraybro
>>750969541
He's not creating a job. That's retested. He's making someone, that already has a job, work hardest. Dick move. That's like saying
<hur dur I'll just drop this soda can on the ground so I can create a janitor position. >>750969560
>>750973689
i didn't abandon it. i said i was going because i had to sleep
>>750973473
Embarrassing stuff
>>750973761
You ran away because you didn’t receive the validation you crave. Majority thought you were a dick.
The same has happened today despite a second attempt to seek attention
>>750973640
It's inspect element dick head!
>>750973838
and yet here you are, continuing to validate my thread by replying and not letting it die
>>750968983
please stop making nice things look like the ghetto.
paint your own stuff. don't have stuff to paint? git gud at life.
>>750973847
>being so retarded and thinking google dev tools is called 'inspect element'
>>750973882
STFU OP!
Your bread is shit.
>>750973882
There are others posting so it has nothing to do with me whether it dies or not.
Personally I’m feeling gratified owning you, not validating your embarrassing pastime
>>750973988
>owning
>>750974097
inspect element is part of google developer tools you fucking pleb
>>750972010
sorry, but the message of your art is just a gigantic splaying of illegible text that i presume is your "street name"
that isn't art as it doesn't move anyone emotionally. yes it took a lot of effort to complete... but in the end all you completed was putting your name(?) on train. no one is going to want that to not be erased immediately.
you want to make art?
paint shit that people won't want to remove.
paint something that makes someone feel an emotion other than annoyance and disgust at the felonious artist.
>>750974083
Vast majority last night and today consider OP to be a vandal. Read the comments.
If that’s not being owned I don’t know what is
>>750974153
A derivative of.... pleb.
Not my fault you are a cuck.
>>750974164
just because you do not feel emotionally moved by something doesnt therefore mean that nobody else on the planet cannot possibly like it.
i dont use a street name, i am part of a crew which has a name, but i paint various things, and usually my style is what defines it as mine. i also don't care who sees it or who doesn't. i do it for myself. i know it gets removed. i dont care that it gets removed.
>>750974227
>derivative
>something which is based on another source.
just stop, you are a fucking idiot.
>>750974305
Your street name is Zoro. Totally awesome dude!*
* In 1988. If you’re 14.
>>750974305
Michelangelo didn't paint the Sistine chapel for 8 of his best bros so he could say look what i did and get high fives. he painted it for god and the world.
there is still no message to your art other than "look what i did"
and that's not art. that's juvenile dick measuring.
>>750968983
toy
>>750974332
Look just because you cuck yourself to google, dosen't mean the rest of us have to.
We can function just fine not giving our n00ds to google and the source code google lent us to make it work, does work just fine. KYS, g00gle cuck.
>>750974500
ah i see, so art has to be defined very strictly inside rules and regulations which are followed by all artists, on all mediums, at all times. got it. sorry i didnt got that memo
>>750974600
no art has to have the intent to be appreciated through it's message to any potential viewer.
>>750974500
He couldn’t claim responsibility for it anyway. Due to vandalism being illegal and all.
But at least he gets kudos from the other 5 drop outs he hangs about with.
Eh Zoro?
>>750974664
well i like it and so do others, and I appreciate it and I appreciate other graffiti, so then its all great, and justified within the rules that you have just made up for the whole world of art.
>>750968983
looks ugly to be honnest...
hope it was rushed.
some guys at least tried to deliver a message but nowerday most fags like you just smear some unreadable shit anywhere...
>>750974808
on average most panels i paint happen in around 3-4 minutes, unless we get lucky
>>750974767
sorry bro. now you're just trying to impress other artists by your own definition.
that's
1) closed mindedness
2) delusion
3) self fulfilling
4) juvenile dick measuring
and most importantly
5) not art
>you
>are
>not
>art
good day sir.
Hi OP quick question.
How many other ‘artists’ out there have to wear a balaclava to carry out their ‘masterpiece’?
>>750974995
there are thousands of people doing this
i dont wear a balaclava anyway. i use a tshirt, since its less conspicuous to carry
>>750973240
I dont see how it harms anyone. Its not like location property where it would lower value. If I'm on my way to work and stuck behind a train, I'd rather have something interesting to look at than not.
OP did something more impresive than you fags did....
>I shitposted on the chan... hurr durr.
>>750968983
Why write bullshit no one can read? You can clearly draw, why not draw something cool instead of writing which people would ignore and think it's just another teen scrambling shit?
>>750975163
if you try you can read all graffiti very easily, it just takes practice
>>750975194
Yeah, but no one enjoys it. Also, whats the point of writing something no one gets (even if they can read it)?
>>750975324
They can read it and it looks better than grey walls. Get over it son shine..
>>750975324
no-one enjoys it? nobody on the whole planet enjoys graffiti? am i the only person on earth doing it? are there not thousands of graffiti movies with millions of people having watched them? countless books written on the topic? with hundreds of thousands of photographs? sure. nobody like it and nobody can read it.
Hi OP, are you going to do this thread again tonight / tomorrow or do you have the answers you seek?
>>750969670
Paint turf is a battle (best kept an artist's battle and not actual fighting). "Covered up work" is just the name of the game. Trains dont need to look nice and pretty, they just need to work. Problem with graffiti on properties is that it lowers their resell value. No one is trying to flip trains for profit. Train cars get sold as utility and broken down as scrap when they stop working. At the end of the day, it doesnt matter if theres paint on a train or not, it will still do the job it was made for. Fact is an artist filthy chriminal nigger valndal gets their own paint, and expresses at their own expense.
>>750975433
Sounds like you’re close to abandoning again OP
>>750975447
i am at a loose end today as i'm sick so i thought id do it, probably better than another gore/loli/dick rate thread
>>750975433
No one enjoys reading some empty bullshit. Like in OPs picture. I don't mind drawings that look cool, I don't get what's the point of writing shit on walls when you have a talent to draw
Also
>countless books written on the topic
Right
>>750975515
Don't knock the gore lol.
>>750975515
Oh yeah dude you’re sick AF!
Because your tags are so radical, can’t believe I’m talking to the actual ZORO!
>>750970353
Train designers make the design, nit individual trains. Their "art" exists regardless of a random negro in negroland painting a word on a negro train car. If you're being pissy about having to see things in the world on a daily basis that you dont want to see, then I have some bad news for you..
>>750975558
so you are taking your opinion and then saying that nobody likes something because you dont?
>>750975671
>If you're being pissy about having to see things in the world on a daily basis that you dont want to see, then I have some bad news for you..
kind of the point
>>750975879
Learn to read. For don't know which time I am asking what's the point of scrambling meaningless words when you have a talent to draw something that is cool and looks nice.
>>750975969
because graffiti itself is a style of drawing and art. it has a very particular framework and traditions which you clearly don't understand nor want to. Read some of my other replies in the thread and youll understand why the finished panel is not the only thing that matters.
>>750975879
OP and others like him use other people’s property to force their ‘art’ upon others. It’s not a matter of who likes it or not.
Judging by this thread, the majority don’t like it and don’t agree that he should take the liberty is using other people’s property.
If he wants to do graffiti art then great, he can use his own property.
>>750971323
Graffiti on trains is only a burden because you think its bad because its a burden because you think ts bad because its a burden because you think its bad.
>meaningful interaction with life
Because every single effort in life must be constructive rather than reconstructive, or ur a 15yo.
Not many people make legal, state-approved art, either. Just a bit more because theyre allowed to.
Maybe stop focusing so much on something that does nothing to take away from the value and function of train cars, and do something more constructive with your life.
>>750976091
>Thinks he owns a train.
>>750968983
>he paints one word
>says it's art
>it's really just the tisisms
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>>750976191
That’s great. Find your own property to graffiti
>>750973882
That's not how it works.
>>750976219
It’s normally public property, state funded so yes I do just as much as you or anyone else.
If it’s a private company they will also have to pay to have it removed as they will consider it unpleasant for customers.
>>750976281
He hasn't hurt anybody?
When you think it's OK to jump in front of said train. You'll traumatize the driver.
A little paint dosen't = a blood splatter.
>>750976191
>my style
>i paint trains like a nigger
>go do something constructive with your life
holy shit, you have to be trolling
>>750976402
>It’s normally public property, state funded so yes I do just as much as you or anyone else.
Well me and OP like it 2/3 of the population want it over the 1/3 that dosen't.
By your own admission it's our property and majority vote rules.
>>750976494
OK, well, when he or another artist comes to your house, or apartment, and splatters all over the wall, RIGHT THERE for you and everyone to see, you may not be so quick to dismiss what this guy is doing.
>>750976402
exactly. i own it just as much as the next person, so why should i not be able to paint on it?
on the other hand, if a train is wrapped in a vinyl cover which is advertising something do you avert your eyes in disgust? is that not just the same? you are being forced to view something that you would otherwise choose not to see given the option?
>>750970744
>keep trying!
Please don't encourage him
>>750976740
i wouldn't do that to someone's house, and nor would most serious graffiti writers. peoples private property such as houses cars and such is out of bounds.
Do you go to threads that you don't like the topic of like trap threads? No? Then why go to our thread and mock us, now gtfo back where you came from you sensitive pussies
>>750976281
If I had a train, I would not give two shits because I can still ship my goods either way. Don't try to be vague and conflate train property and location property (what most people think of when hearing property. Housing, businesses, a park (though skateparks moght be slightly different because time and place), ect. A house is a space for living in or inhabitting, a business is a place where professionalism is key, and a park is a public place *where the general public actually goes*. Yes, graffiti is illegal for real reasons. Bitching about train graffiti when it doesnt fall under these reasons is autistic.
>>750970744
Prove it that you are better, it's easy to talk on Internet
>>750975054
Paint strips the protective coating on Trains and encourages rust.
It costs a lot of money to strip and clean those things. Money better spent elsewhere.
>>750976740
I live in the middle of butt fuck no where. OP wants to hope I don't catch him painting my house or he'll be digging his own grave.
Also OP dosen't own any of my house but he may end up feeding my plants.
>>750976778
Right, so just peoples businesses. Because fuck people trying to make a living.
And of course apartment buildings because that's not like where anyone lives. But every day I see tags and graffiti on walls of buildings.
Because you're so ethical, and do shit in your 25-35 age range that kids normally give up doing when they're fucking teenagers.
>>750976670
It’s not just you, me and OP in society though is it?
Majority rules, read the thread
>>750977009
>Right, so just peoples businesses. Because fuck people trying to make a living.
painting a train does not stop it from running. take a look at systems where the trains run painted and see that it can be done
>And of course apartment buildings
I do not paint buildings of any kind. only trains
>>750977009
This.
OP is a 35 year old faggot with the mind of a 2 year old.
>>750976741
So if I want to piss on my train seat it’s ok because I paid for it?
The advertisers pay the train company or the state to advertise. You do not
>>750977091
and then you get a cheque to your home every month/quarter/year with the revenue of those advertising sales, right? since you're a part owner?
or the revenue generated from advertising ensures that train fares can never increase, thus levelling profit margins for transit authorities, correct?
>>750976778
Plenty of your kind do paint on people’s homes, cars etc. You can’t justify the culture one minute then say ‘ I’m not as bad as those guys I only do trains’
Principle is the same
>>750969466
Yes, because there are international police trying to find out who you are on a random board because you draw on other peoples walls. You're public enemy #2 next to some faggot in a guy fawkes mask at a protest.
Why do you do shit like this at your age? What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>750977091
also, soiling the seat of a train with your piss means tha someone can't sit there, painting on the side of a train where you can not see it from inside is not going to stop anybody from using the train for its intended purpose.
>>750976818
OP made two threads last night and today saying ask me anything.
So fuck you
In my area, there is this aquaduct that channels flood water and uses slabs that stick up to slow it down. It used to be cover inch to inch in graffiti, it was just the spot to do it. This spot is away from the road and peoples houses, the perfect time and place, as appropriate as possible while still technically being illegal. Then when major flooding hit some months ago, and the area got news coverage, the city started covering it up. Not because it was bothering anyone, but because of media helicopters in the area. And guess what happened after? Randomass little paint tags all over, instead of being kept and contained in that spot. The city was retarded to do this and it bit them in the ass.
>>750976647
Never said anything about style, nor ever actually said the word. I dont actually paint graffiti myself. Try actually reading what I said instead of just reacting to a few things you pick out.
>>750976740
>>750976858
Because trains and houses are the same thing, right?
>>750977024
You read the bread.
Majority rules.
>>750976907
Thats a real point. Are there any paints that dont have this effect?
>>750976858
Does the state or company have to pay to get it removed?
There’s a reason what you do is illegal
>>750977165
you are bundling together a large group of people covering several styles and saying they are all the same.
stop kidnapping and murdering people. I know you don't do it, but your kind do it, so you have to face up to criticism aimed towards them even though you don't do it, right?
>>750977211
i made one thread last night.
>>750977148
Nope I would expect better service and cheaper tickets due to their advertising revenue
>>750977266
the paint itself does not cause this, it is only really harsh cleaning agents that do this, and 99.9% of spray paints sold today do not need corrosive cleaning agents to be used on a metal painted surface.
>>750977254
Yes I did read it, and last night too.
OP getting owned by the majority
>>750977364
but you don't get lower fares year on year regardless of graffiti, so you do not benefit from it yet are forced at all times to endure it.
OP is a fag and graffiti is good and will most likely live on forever.
>>750977194
Why do they pay to have it removed then? If you are enhancing the carriages?
They should be paying you!
>>750977272
I dont do it myself. And train owners dont have to remove it, nor does having it there keep the train from serving its function (which does not include looking nice, like a house does).
>>750977305
One last night and one today equals two.
Read the post again faggot
>>750977067
>I do not paint buildings of any kind. only trains
Oh, great. Because it really spruces them up. You chose a totally victimless canvas. Except where fares go up each year because they have to hire people to clean your bullshit off. So some mom who cleans 4 houses a day has to pay 20 cents extra each trip to feed her kids so you could feel a rush and stroke your fucking ego.
You're a piece off shit OP. You're a grown fucking man who acts like a 14 year old drawing on shit that isn't yours. You look at a train and think "what can I do to make this thing look like an ugly urban mess?"
Your entire existence is at the expense of others. You contribute nothing to the world. You do nothing but inflict yourself on everyone else.
But you won't change because if you haven't by now, you definitely won't when your'e older, at least until you can't physically do it anymore. Then you'll try to tell the next generation of douchebags about your exploits "one time i almost got caught.." and these kids will look at you old and tired, where drawing on something that didn't belong to you was the only thing you ever accomplished. And maybe that will be the thing that makes them stop and reassess their life.
So maybe if that happens, you're life will have some meaning: as a warning to others of what not to do or be.
>>750977400
I see the opposite happening.
Abit of hurr and a little durr and you're all getting pwned.
>>750969022
fuck you
>>750968983
hey are you from the 805?
i fucking know you
>>750977464
they clean them because it does deter a large number of people from doing it in the first place.
>>750977288
No one is stopping you doing graffiti.
Just use your own fucking property
>>750977528
sorry i misread it, english is not my first language
>>750969420
you can suck a dick. you dont know anything at all about what youre talking about
>>750977413
You don't deserve lower fares because, because. Get over your self entitlement.
>>750977413
That’s true but your vandalism lowers the prospects of benefits occurring
>>750977642
the point is, cleaning or not, train costs will not decrease, read a book about how businesses operate and look around you at the world
>>750968983
how many cans does this take?
>>750977578
wo kommen sie her?
>>750977490
Why do companies remove it then? It does not appeal to majority of customers, thus harming business
>>750977562
I can’t help you in that case
>>750977714
Says the dipshit who breaks into train yards when they're 30 years old to spraypaint them.
Hows that MBA coming along?
Do you try to talk like a nigger too?
>>750977761
depends on the size, number of colours and how detailed you would like to be. usually about 6-8 cans for a nice size panel with good definition
>>750977551
Train operators only need working trains, not pretty ones. Also the trains the get marked up are industrial ones, not usually human transport. You have a point specifically about people who paint on these trains because image is part of the appeal and function of trains people ride. Industrial trains only need to work, thats it. It is not necessary to clean them at all (except for machine maintanence in the undercarriage ofc), and there is no necessitated cost from graffiti, which is paid for entirely by the nigger who painted it.
>>750977783
ridership does not decrease where graffiti runs on trains
>>750977853
im not doing an mba but i do have a degree in finance and economics so i understand how a business works in its fundamental principle
>>750977855
I bet they don't even look twice at you at the store either, because you're an adult and they don't think that an adult would do as something stupid as tagging up a train.
>>750977585
And yet you continue to do it.
Embarrassing
>>750968983
Looks nice op good job and I've Always wanted to know how do you fuckers manage to graffiti on the most hard to reach places fucking hell cunts must be gods or something
Pic related
>>750977954
i know the owners of my local graffiti store pretty well we have been friends for years. they also paint trains regularly
>>750968983
why don't you do art in a responsible manner instead of being such a jumped up little egotistical shit who vandalises things?
>>750977642
No entitlement, it’s a view any business would take. But not you....
I’m smashing the system mom!
>>750977998
i dont do bridges or anything like that, but i know lots who do. the same applies to trains, just plan and see what is required to get where you need to go, and then go and do that. sometimes it takes a few attempts, which means going there a lot of times to try different things before executing the action
>>750977783
Shit, a tagged up car the works just as well? I'll take the cheaper one please, I have a lot of shipment and dont care how it gets there as long as it does, because i think business and not feelings. Other traincar buyers can have the more expensive ones that run the exact same way, if they feel so inclined.
>>750977940
You got figures to back that up?
You should tell the Vienna transport officials, they’ll save a fortune in cleaning if there’s no need to do it!
>>750977940
>im not doing an mba but i do have a degree in finance and economics so i understand how a business works in its fundamental principle
I'll bet you do. I remember all the taggers in the finance dept when I worked at Fidelity. And I was at a party and some guys who worked as physicists at Fermilab came by and talked about how they used to TP peoples houses. And of course Chamber of Commerce CEOs commission loved to regail us with tales of filling paper sacks with poop, lighting them on doorsteps and playing "ding-dong-ditch-it".
As most responsible adults do.
>>750978162
i am not sure there is a study which has tested this hypothesis but you only have to go and ride the subway in a place like bucharest or athens to know that paint on the cars does not deter people from taking the train.
>>750978101
And yet they still remove it, even though it works just as well!
Must be shit knowing they will remove your ‘art’ even though it doesn’t affect operation.
Or maybe you just do it for the ‘buzz’ not art
>>750978189
having a degree in finance/econ does not mean being a ceo or investment banker, you are proving how much of an idiot you are by saying that.
>>750978292
Those countries are too poor to remove it
>>750978301
i am not the person you are replying to, i am OP. I do it for the rush 70% and the actual painting 30%
>>750978189
He was going on last night about how all his tagger mates are “bankers and lawyers”.
You couldn’t make it up. Oh wait, he just did
Got any stories? Would love to hear.
>>750978398
As I expected
>>750978353
ok, so are you going to except them or change the argument somehow? because i thought we were talking about how a train being a different colours doesnt affect the number of people willing to ride it thus affecting ticketed revenue?
>>750978428
i wasn't i stated i know of people who are bankers, who are lawyers and even doctors that do this stuff. google it, read, learn
>>750978484
you expected it from reading the thread? because i stated this multiple times already, hardly a miracle you expected that
>>750978301
I dont do it myself, but I wouldnt feel bad over someone needlessly tripping over themselves to fix a non problem.
Also, if art reflects visual skill, then its definitely art (lets see you try).
If art reflects expression, then it still counts.
>>750978428
Google Vamp from London, UK and McKoy from Swizerland/Singapore, just two well educated professionals who have been arrested for painting on trains.
>>750968983
How long before people get tired of your destruction, and pass a law allowing us to shoot you on sight?
>>750978499
I think the graffiti culture in those countries is indicative of the lazy, jobless nature for which it represents.
>>750978471
plenty of stories. lots of crazy nights in crazy situations, but all part of the reason for subway graffiti
>>750978537
Close to abandoning?
>>750968983
the fact that you brag about it makes you the lower than a hobo real artists create something out of nothing but nah fuck this huge blank concrete wall that would be improving my enviroment - instead lemme just spray 4th grade COOL letters on anything remotely in sight that'll make me look cool when I brag about it to those underage kids I smoke around
fuck you and everything you stand for I hope someone actually beats you to death for failing to contributing anything to mankind
>>750978671
US bred graffiti culture, also a pit of economic despair, right?
>>750978601
No one is disagreeing with the skill or talent involved, if that’s your taste.
Just do it on your own fucking property
>>750978610
What about good old Rossko and Tarzan? Those dudes are radical man!
And don’t forget Zoro!
>>750978747
but then he wouldn't get a rush, and it's all about him and how he feels. Fuck other people and their inconvenience. The world is there for his gratification.
>>750978734
Harlem and Detroit? Sure
>>750978818
Correct
Menjel szepen es takaritsad le.
>>750978725
anger issues? this guy isn't really harming mankind in any way unlike you are right now.
>>750968983
green is good,
hightslights are nice,
too much negitive space
>>750978818
You so damn inconvenienced by something that doesnt need to cost anyone but the painter a cent. Face it, its the pure audacity itself that offends you. Graffiti on industrial train cars and other out-of-the-way locations doesnt cost you a goddamn thing.
>>750979089
It costs state funded train operators, so yes it does.
Private companies also need to pay to remove to benefit the majority of customers
Well done OP, 300 replies again.
Different audience, same outcome.
I’ve really enjoyed it
>>750979297
this time the good discussions was much more interesting for me.
>>750979359
Same time tonight?
>>750979402
no i have to get to sleep early to be up for work tomorrow
>>750979185
The majority of customers need something shipped, thats it. How does it necessarity cost operators anything? There is always graffiti on trains, much of it very old. This tells me that there is a significant enough number of operators who figure dealing with graffiti is not worth their time and money, and just want to get their job done like every other slob on the planet.
>>750979359
>good discussions
Mom the bigger boys were criticising me!
>>750978725
>harming mankind is typing words on a christian imageboard
>words are violence
>words are more harmful than repainting shit 7 times more than needed
fuck you too buddy
>>750979507
You’ve had that confirmed from the operators have you?
If they found you, would they stop you?
>>750968983
My reaction.
Graffiti is most usually unintelligible gibberish with terrible color schemes. It's not art. It's scribbles.
I would feel differently about the "artists" if they went around creating real art. What about landscapes, portraits, hell even impressionist stuff. You know why you don't see that? Because graffiti "artists" are talentless hacks.
>>750979534
Funny how they simply said they enjoyed the conversation of the thread, yet you go straight for an emotional appeal and shame tactics. One of these sounds more mature..
>>750979496
That’s a shame OP, it’s been great owning you.
Catch you again soon though, you won’t be able to stop yourself
>>750968983
What paint do you use
I’m a professional artist, and of some ducking mong did this to anything I own I would shoot him also.
No, it’s not fucking art. It’s a crime, it’s ugly, and it takes minimal effort to do. The only thing they like is getting the “rush” out of doing something bad because they don’t get in trouble for smoking pot in moms basement anymore. Grow the fuck up. Nobody gives a fuck about what you “tagged”.
>>750969466
certainly not sexually active
>>750979654
>femanon detected
You clearly didn’t see the thread last night
>>750979721
montana hardcore normally, or ultra-wide. ironlak and molotow make good paints also though. i prefer mtn hardcore for everyday use
>>750979736
you clearly have no idea what you are talking about to say painting in subways and train yards involves minimal effort
>>750979832
Compared to real art, yeah. It’s minimal effort to do cel shading and big bubble letters. Try a real hobby, like painting portraits.
>>750979905
you are basing the skill involved on the 4 minutes it takes to throw up 3 colours. what about getting to the place and back out again as part of the process? or does that not count?
>>750979975
>4 minute drawing
>not minimal effort
???
Pick one
>>750979832
It could be as simple as offering your services to the company that owns the trains. You could even be paid for the effort. You know why that's not happening? Exactly as what >>750979736 said. Your "art" is shit and no one would pay you for it. Hell, you couldn't even give it away except to angsty teens. Instead, you have to shove it into peoples faces and watch them sigh, and sink even lower into the dystopian nightmarish hell of a landscape you help to create.
>>750979975
And yeah, it doesn’t count. We’re talking about technical art skill here, not fucking parkour. Two are completely separated. You want an asspat for being a jungle monkey? >>/fit/
>>750979359
I'm in!
Same time tonight?
>>750980123
cool
>>750979975
Trespassing? No it doesn't count.
I hope niggers trespass into your house and paint your asshole black.
>>750980168
>cool
Look at this spineless faggot. Why make a thread when you know you’re untalented and you’re just going to get blown the fuck out? You don’t wven have a good argument for any question asked, because you know you’re bottomfeeding scum.
>>750980183
This guy gets it.
OP you are getting owned here!
>>750980227
the thing is you have absolutely no idea of my artistic abilities, and you see one thing and base your entire opinion on it. good for you
>>750980227
>bottomfeeding scum
of course i am, i dont have a job, im 12. i dont own an apartment or have any skills. please judge my entire life on a 4chan thread. you know me so well
>>750979591
Can you think of another reason why its always there, and local trains tend to have the same piece on it? People are going to generalize graffiti as all being bad because it it has a stigma regardless of where (the meaningful part) the art.is being done. Graffiti on a house/business is bad because part of the location's function is looking nice. That is not the case for inustrial train cars. But because its easier for a person to react to a stigma instead of looking at the details, theyre still going to try to stop someone. They are thinking "no stop it punk kids thats illegal!", not "ha, like your paint means anything to me, kid."
Outside of time/place, as in where it does actual harm to property, its bad. Outside of that, its illegal because it looks bad because its illegal because it looks bad because its illegal.
>>750980227
This guy gets it too!
OP, is it time for you to abandon your own thread like you did last night? You are getting owned!
>>750980367
ive already been here for 2 hours, of course though as soon as i need to go ill be 'abandoning the thread'
>>750980367
>certainly not sexually
Bump limit hit, dick head.
>>750980350
Answer the question.
Would they stop you if they found you?
You have no right to justify the reasons why they would, since the property does not belong to you
>>750980441
You have replied to the wrong post, dick head
>>750980275
>artistic abilities
Can you even call it that though?
Enjoyed how baited this got folks. Don't mind if I steal this for my own.
>>750980428
We’ll hear from you again soon though, you attention seeking vandal
>>750980595
have you seen my sketchbook? do you have access to my private files of drawing i have done? no, so you can't really form an opinion that has any merit
>>750980578
No I didn't, dick head.
>>750979767
Shit, if I tits and a vag, I wouldnt even be posting because id be too busy shlicking it. And no I didnt. Whats the thread number?
Also if there are no girls on the internet, why are you making this claim?
>>750980650
No but we can see what you illegally impose on other people’s property without permission
>>750980697
ok and in your opinion you dont like it as art. good for you. we can't all like everything
>>750980697
I'd hope at least the faggot put his "best" stuff up for public display. lol
