ITT: Most overrated bands ever
>>750931701
that and Greenday
U2
>>750931701
>>750931701
Obviously you aren't over 30yrs old. You had to have lived the 90s to understand the 90s
>>750933070
I was there, and they sucked. What's the answer now?
>>750933209
NSYNC fag
>>750933384
That was a while after Nirvana, Kurt was dead by then. Danzig was better.
>>750931701
O hai 18-25 year old. You and your generation are cancer.
>>750933583
We learned from your faggot generation, faggot.
>>750931701
Agreed but they're good
>>750932688
Not really
>>750933269
Absolutely
>>750933209
>>750933538
then you were, and are, a loser outsider, although we didn't need your post to know that. any questions?
Mayhem
Acdc
>>750931701
pearl jam
>>750933792
Nope, you still haven't proven that Nirvana lives up to the hype. You just chose to denigrate me instead, so Nirvana is still shit and you are just a moron.
Tool.
By leaps and bounds. Everyone I know fucking loves that band. A few good songs. Maybe its interesting compared to generic rock, but overall its still radio station tier generic.
inb4 muh math rock. fuck you who cares
>>750931701
Journey
REO Speedwagon
The Doors
Oasis
Red Hot Chili Peppers
Coldplay
The beatles easily and because of their retarded fan base tbey always will be.
>>750933923
I whole heatedly agree. A few catchy songs, 0/10 vocals.
>>750934315
Would love to know what super epic underground shit you listen to.
>>750931701
Influenced an entire generation, created a whole culture. You're wrong. You can dislike it, but you can't call them overrated.
Greenday
Radiohead
R.E.M.
The Cure
The Smiths
ACDC
Guns and Roses
Queen
Smashing Pumpkins
Foo Fighters
All glam rock metal bands like Poison, etc
Tool
Counting Crows (Worst band in recorded history btw)
>>750934488
Can and will
Overrated band?
There is only one correct answer.
>>750934352
>>750934353
>19:14:56
>off by one
>same band
>>750933209
Personal opinion doesn't equate overrated.
>>750934315
This is an "overrated" thread, not underrated.
The world needs more Tool shoved down its collective throat. Everybody from Trump to the godforsaken click-click tribes from Africa should be able to karaoke Stinkfist with no prompter.
>>750934619
>"It's only opinion until I agree with you!"
>>750934567
Stating it doesn't make it true. History disproves your statement. Willfully ignoring doesn't make it less true. If you want to shitpost and put your fingers in your ear and Go la la la, fine. Not sure why you need a thread if you're just telling yourself the same shit you already knew about yourself.
>>750934561
Half of your list is dead on, half is just a projection of your bitter inability to create anything of value.
>>750934561
I agree with all of them outside of Tool. Tool is excellent. Amazing drumming and a nice original take on what bands can do with music as a whole. Really stands out on it's own. I don't see many people overrating them to the level of bands like ACDC or Guns and Roses.
>>750934818
None of what you said matters. Nirvana still sucks, is way over rated. Now please kindly go back to sucking cocks.
>>750934695
this is exactly the type of BS we all head about this mediocre band. Go explore some music on your own sometime. Lots better stuff out there.
>>750935087
just watch this thread and see how many it draws out. One already came out. People drool over tool and think they invented some new form of music or something.
>>750933631
YOU, dad! I learned it by watching you!
>>750934964
>a projection of your bitter inability to create anything of value
ok. I guess you know me from my 1 list. Either you are some sort of Internet enabled Betazoid, or your pulling so much shit out of your ass you're gagging on your tongue
Metallica
Most over rated band of all time
>>750934561
please enlighten us, who are the good bands?
Matchbox 20, they sound aids at concerts and their fans are just new couples who haven't even fucked yet.
Ladies and (mostly) gentlemen...I give you the worst band in history.
>>750935969
>Ladies and (mostly) gentlemen...I give you the worst band in history.
Yeah, but they were actually trying to be, so that doesn't count.
>>750935551
Eric?
>>750935969
Chili peppers started off good, but they have sucked for decades now. They sound like a bad Tom Petty impersonation with a good bass player
>750931701
Nirvana always sucked, but when they came out, they were original
That is the problem with music today.
I haven't heard anything original in 20+ years
Alice in Chains, can't get through one of their overrated garbage songs.
Limp Bizkit, hands dowm
>>750935969
>t. Mike Patton
But you are correct, fuck those junkies
>>750935730
This
>people in this thread are actually arguing that Nirvana aren't overrated
>>750936270
>5 LPs
>2 EPs
>Every single release is a good album, most are amazing.
Delet ths
>>750936936
Just to stir things up a bit. Lots of shitty bands have great albums.
Get good writers, studio musicians for backup, and a talented producer and sound board guy, magic happens.
Put that same band on the road, and it's an overpriced shitshow where the sound guy turns everything up to 11 so you can't actually hear how bad they are.
>>750934315
Tool was great for me as a 16yr old first learning about music.
But if you are in your 30's and praising all things Maynord... Those are the fucks that ruin it.
>>750937218
2 out out of those 3 things you mentioned in the second section don't apply to AiC, and of course theyre going to get talented people to mix and master their albums.
How is that a criticism? And as far as turning things up to 11 for that wall of sound production style, that really doesn't apply to AiC too well. I mean grunge is suppose to sound like that, if you don't like that production style its fine, but its not garbage.
>>750937872
Me thinks this anon doth protest too much.
This faggot also he beat his kid and is old wife and goes on to sing about peace and love what a fucking joke.
>>750931701
The smiths
>>750931701
PEARL JAM, MOST EDM
Korn
>>750939756
As someone who listens to Korn a bit, aren't they generally accepted as shit by most people? wouldn't say they were overrated
Genesis.
(yeah sure)
Blink 182, Green Day, Nirvana, maybe the beatles.
primus sucks
Literally any "metal" or "rock" band from the last 40 years. All of them.
>>750933538
>Nirvana
>Danzig
I too enjoy comparing apple and oranges.
Fucking overrated and sucks ass. (Used to be good.) And Lars needs to fucking get the fuck on.
>>750931701
The Beatles
The Who
Nirvana
AC/DC (every fucking song sounds the same)
US (see AC/DC)
Led Zeppelin
Nine Inch Nails
I don't think anyone really rates Linkin Park, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Fallout Boy or Green Day, but if they did, they'd be overrated as well.
>>750939950
/b/tards are autistic they think overrated means they are just bad. But for them to be overrated they'd have to be considered good in the first place.
>>750940604
*U2, not US
fucking autocorrect
>>750940604
Led Zeppelin, yeah sure........
>>750940593
>used to be good
Wrong, faggot. They've always been terrible.
>>750940604
Led Zeppelin is far from overrated. They definitely hold up to their standards on their original albums. Of course I can see where saying Stairway to Heaven is overrated compared to the rest of their catalog of songs.
>>750940793
Kill em all was really good. Thanks to Mustaine
>>750940793
Yea dude you can try but saying something like Master of Puppets as an album is terrible might just be grade A forms of autism.
Shittiest shit band of all shit time.
>>750940604
Green Day aren't as popular as they used to be, but i would still put them under overrated bands
>>750939704
I do like Slipknot, but man the fanbase is fuckin cancer
>>750940928
What exactly is wrong with them?
And can you provide an example of a band that actually lives up to the hype?
I don't really care if people diss Pink Floyd, even though I kinda like them, but I'm curious why people think they suck. They're one of those harmless, forgettable bands in many ways. There's a lot of people out there with way less talent and way more undeserved success.
>>750935730
o p i n i o n i s W R O N G
>>750941067
There old shit is good for 2000s but yea their fanbase is really bad. Not close to rick and morty levels though.
>>750941159
No he's 100% correct and you're a tasteless faggot.
>>750940928
You clearly never done drugs . Good job timmy
>>750940928
Obvious troll, is obvious.
>>750941159
Metallica is trash just like your life
Slayer
>>750941314
You don't need drugs for Floyd.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cy0ABjAP0TI
>>750941334
woah you sure showed him!
>>750941155
Nothing outside of probably some of the vocal performances is bad in any means. The dude is just trying to write off his music tastes as a reason why something is bad. Objectively Pink Floyd's music is and does exactly what it's suppose to do and be. Great melodic instrumentation given time to build up while also using some of the vocal to accent the piece and allow it to manifest thoughts and ideas.
>>750931701
the beetles
>The smiths
>The smiths
>The smiths
>The smiths
Hurr durr im musicaly supirer fuck new music huuuurrrr duuuuuuurrrrrr
>>750931701
Literally this.
>>750935551
kek
>>750939950
I know, I'm just waiting for the replies
>>750941389
Im talking about opiods
You ever heard the voice of god
>>750934592
i feel like U2 isnt really over-rated. although it might just be the people i know, as loads of them think they suck or are mediocre
>>750940593
Good until the black album
>People actually like punk rock and nu-rock
Fucking soyboys
>>750941155
The only reason people like them is because their music is slow as fuck and sounds funny when you're smoking weed.
Taylor Swift
>>750933269
Nirvana is a terrible example. They were just some random band that had a new sound. It's the last time I recall hearing anything really different in music.
KISS , on the other hand, is an absolute Jew band that has zero originality or talent. Just shit band that marketed to simple minded pot heads who liked bright lights, simpleton lyrics and stupid gimmicks. Not a single ounce of talent between them. Then they wrote 200 songs that all sound exactly the same. If they had an ounce of integrity, they would have put shotguns in their mouths before they released their first album.
>>750941646
I dunno, I Was Made for Lovin' You is kinda cool
>>750933923
1 song played 200 different ways.
>>750941213
The gray chapter was pretty good kinda sounded like the old stuff, the 4th album was pretty shitty
>>750931701
take the time to listen to more than teen spirit, kurt hated that song
>unironically listening to rock and roll
Shiggydiggy
>>750941543
Ive done cocaine, weed and lsd, tell me more about opiods, what's a good way to start, what drug?
>>750933923
ACDC killed rock and roll. Rock used to be about band composition and getting a good mix, now it's about guitar autism and guitar effects and guitar techniques and who cares what you sound like on stage, as long as you have guitars, it's all the same.
The Cure
The Clash
Def Leppard
Sex Pistols
Creedance Clearwater Revival
The Doors
Ramones
Metallica
The Who
Radiohead
Green Day
Evanescence
Anything Rap
>>750934561
>The Cure
Straight up fuck you dude. The Cure is amazing.
>>750941789
Most of nirvana's stuff is written with power chords using those same 4 chords you hear over and over again just at different places and in a different order, people tout them as something special when really they're quite generic with few exceptions
>>750940604
Is it just me,or does the AC/DC singer sound like Gilbert Gottfried?
>>750941714
Wow, so deep. I wonder what deeper meaning we can glean from thier thought provoking repetative power chords and philisophical ponderings?>>750941714
>>750934561
>Queen
>Overrated
>British music press literally shit on them for years
>Rarely had hits in the USA
What's your favorite synthwave band then?
>>750934561
>Anything that isn't obscure weeb shit is overrated
Kek'd & Cheq'd
>>750942348
Quit posting Kurt Cobains microphone
>>750942102
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed this!
>>750942113
Not every song in the world has have some deep philosophical questions to answer. This music is about energy. Being energetic. Getting off your feet and dancing. Rocking.
There are rock artists that do do it, though.
>>750942407
>Anything that isn't my early 2000's nu-rock is weebshit
Expand your horizons, my friend.
Van Halen
>>750942030
I disagree with you about the cure and the clash. Everything else I agree on
>>750931701
>ITT: edgelords disliking popular bands to disrupt the status quo
Motley Crue
>>750942608
Fuck you. Those two are two of the worst.
>>750941597
U2 is universally known as mediocre as fuck, they're oversaturated, not overrated.
As a side note; there's no greater selling out than Apple, a multi billion dollar corporation, making an ipod dedicated to you and then years later forcing your album onto everyone's phones regardless if they want it or not.
Bono must have sucked Steve Jobs' cock something amazing.
>>750942634
Fuck you Status Quo is over rated too
>>750942695
The Clash would like a word with you.
>>750942608
Agreed
>>750933561
Lennon was actually talented but then that bitch azn wife hired a hit man to get his inheritance
>>750942695
Maybe it's because I'm over 35. What's so bad about the cure? Don't like Robert Smith?
talent is overrated
>>750942100
I've been to Aberdeen Wasington. I can't imagine a more depressing place to exist. Nirvana had little in the way of talent, but I've always enjoyed the ambience of the music. When 90% of pop music was about nothing and metal was all hate, here comes this band singing about living under a bridge and wasting away from drug addiction. There just wasn't anyone else at the time singing songs about shit like that. Even though it was produced by Jew record producers, some of the realism slipped through. Then 10,000 other bands appeared and pretended to be just like them, but it was never quite as real. I think Nirvana is an example of real music slipping by the Jews watchful eye. Probably why they had him killed and now all we have is that other Nirvana member pumpibg out one generic shitfest after another.
ITT: Faggots who listen to music.
If you listen to anything other than ambient noise in nature or the droning whine and whir of coils and motors in electronic devices, you are a huge faggot.
>>750942030
London Calling is one of the best produced albums of all time.
Also:
>The Cure - nope, wrong
>Sex Pistols- fucking definitely
>The Doors- fuck the doors
>Ramones- Punk pop before it was punk pop, the sum 41 of the 80's
>Metallica- fuck them
>Radiohead- Great until the 2000's then who really gives a shit because they're so up their own ass with abstractism
>Greenday- Had like 3 good songs total
>Evanescence- why are they even on this list?
>Anything rap- listen to some actual good rap, then kill yourself.
>>750935969
OP already posted a band that is a bigger piece of garbage. RHCP is overrated but certainly not the worst band in history. Every band that sells albums at Hottopic is worse.
>>750942530
So you are saying that Kiss is just some shitty boy band and has no place whatsoever in a discussion about good music. I agree. Glad we could find common ground.
>>750943093
If the only reason to listen to a rap song is because of the lyrics, then go fuck yourself. Lyrics are overrated.
Also, The Clash have a terrible mix, kys
>>750943164
What is your definition of good?
What do you think the purpose of music is?
IF it's just for background noise while I work, I don't want something that grabs my attention, I want something that motivates me and keeps me focused.
>>750931701
Why start a thread when you've already /thread?
>>750938420
plastic ono band is the greatest album of all time, fuck u
>>750939129
incorrect
>>750936355
>dowm
>>750941155
they were good until syd left
Sublime (sound like a million other faggoty 90s ska bands)
No Doubt (Gwen can't sing to save her life)
Barenaked Ladies (Not that anyone really rates them that highly, but still)
REM (This is literally why minorities make fun of white people)
Dave Matthews Band (See REM)
Lynyrd Skynyrd (I probably spelled that wrong but who gives a shit about these redneck faggots?)
Panic at the Disco and any other emo pop band
Emo gets a bad rap and shit 2000s bands are to blame. The original 90s emo bands like Jawbreaker and The Promise Ring were actually pretty good. It's a shame emo got taken over by faggots in mascara who can't play their instruments worth a fuck. If people thought Britney Spears was heavy metal, obviously everyone would think heavy metal was the worst genre of music.
>>750933070
The average /b/ user is 18 years old according to one survey of 4chan. At the same time, who gives a shit? I'm 33 and I think Nirvana is overrated as fuck.
>>750932327
THIS
Fucking post-menopause mom music
As a man who was been deaf since birth, I can assure you that no music is overrated when you have never nor will ever have the ability to hear it.
>>750933269
It's a joke band though. No one actually thinks they're good. People go to shows for the ridiculous spectacle and the subculture, not musical talent.
>>750943781
Why are you equating what was popular with teenagers in the 2000's with overrated bands?
These were always flash in the pan acts, nobody held them in high regard.
>>750933561
>>750933561
Truer words have never been spoken.
>>750943351
I think music is artistry, whether it be a person who has spent a large part of thier life perfecting an instrument, like Dimebag Darrell, or a person who writes songs taken from the darkest recess of their souls. Anything else is just generic sounds that some people enjoy listening to. I like to run a fan at night for white noise. I like the sound. I listen to it every night, but I wouldn't consider it music.
This is the summation of every Kiss song. "My peepee is hard because I see pretty girl" played to 3 power chords for 5 minutes. It's niose, possibly enjoyed by some, but it's not music.
>>750943940
talent is overrated and pretentious
>>750933988
Neck yourself
>>750934315
They're one of my all time favourites and I'd definitely admit that they've overrated. But radio station tier generic? There's nothing generic about them in any way. They really are a unique sound, even if their talent and skill are blown way out of proportion.
>>750944016
Not everyone has time to sit down and listen to Supertramp for 4 hours straight.
>>750943877
how are you even using the internet? do you have a braille monitor or something?
>>750934561
I fucking never got the success of Guns n roses. They never had anything besides Slash and Buckethead afterwards, and Axel Rose is the thing that ruins the whole gang. I swear that their songs would be tolerable, if all of the songs were instrumental instead.
Rammstein
>>750942030
>The Clash
>The Who
>>750931701
Nirvana sucks.
>>750934592
Kek, from the thumbnail I thought that was Smash Mouth
>>750931701
Beethoven
>>750944527
get rekt faget
>>750944662
and that other guy
>>750931701
Rush is horrible
>>750944722
Tchaikovsky
>>750942102
I always though he sounded like a cat in heat
>>750942704
that album is still the only album on my phone (and the other 450 at my company).
>>750944775
That's a good one, anon...
y-you were joking, r-right?
>>750931701
Beatles
>>750944662
>>750944810
>Beethoven
>Tchaikovsky
>bands
I assume that Eminem is also a band
>>750941608
my nigga
Alice Cooper. Lindsey Stirling. Indies that vegans listen to to feel musically superior. Faust.
>>750931701
THE BEATLES
ERIC CLAPTON
THE WHO
PEARL JAM
>>750934315
This x1000
The fans are beyond cringe, especially how they are so taken in by the marketihg, 'muh sacred geometry', bs...
They aren't terrible or anything, but for fuck's sake, most of us grew out of that shit around age 20 or so, it's a rock band, not the key to the universe.
>>750934488
They didn't create anything, and their 'influence' was less than you may think compared to bands like PJ (which all the normies/jock douche/preppies were jerking off over). They were just that time's version of the ever rotating door of (somewhat) counter-culture. They are awesome and everything but your post proves the ways in which they are overrated. Uneducated fans, who weren't even around back then. They were very simple musically, not saying this as an insult but come on...they were a (sort of punk) rock band, and super-far from virtuosity. Too bad they never grew, I think they would have.
>>750934592
>>750942704
They had a few good albums but thats it. They were done by the mid 90's, hence Boners activism.
Coldplay
The who
>>750941600
I used to think that too, but a few weeks ago i gave AJFA a listen, it was pretty bad...and cheesy and fucking godawful production.
>>750934695
>>750931701
>>750939756
Aren't they a bit forgotten to be overrated? they fell off HARD
>>750931701
muslims
>>750939756
why is Chris Cornell in this picture?
>>750941753
Yeah that is why that drummer is one of the baddest fucking dudes in all history. Let's see you (or anyone else) play THE SAME BEAT for 50 years, and smoke cigarettes and run a mafia while doing it.
>>750941869
Morphine, because you know the dosage
>>750940593
They need to fire Lars and get Gene Hoglan then they'll come correct.
>>750931701
Seconded, thirds, and fourthed.
>guilty pleasure tho, his rendition of man who sold the world is Good
>>750933561
You mad?
>>750933561
They are actually pretty good anon
>>750942987
(((their))) watchful eye? You've got it wrong, there friend. There was so much cool stuff and weird stuff in the 80s because of the opposite--the execs were totally fucking clueless, so a lot of eccentric stuff 'got through'. Nirvana was at the end of that. Then the industry shifted towards ironfisted analytics and upped the profit drive and that killed everything, NOW (((they))) have the watchful eye, thats why two or 3 guys write music for 90% of 'pop' acts now.
>>750934561
>Counting Crows (Worst band in recorded history btw)
>>750934561
>All glam rock metal bands like Poison, etc
>>750934561
>Guns and Roses
>>750934561
>ACDC
>>750934561
>The Smiths
>>750934561
>Greenday
Im with you on those
>>750934320
I can't disagree
>>750934352
>>750934353
Ayup
>>750935969
Ugh, utter despise.
>>750939704
I thought so too until I grabbed every song that they made, listened to it, and felt the "story" of their sound mature. Case in point songs like despise turning into purity.
>>750943093
The Clash is awful they suck in the same way Bad Religion sucks (fake as fuck).
>>750938420
Fuck you dude
>>750942102
AC/DC is the greatest rock band ever in existence
>>750933923
SEE MEE RIDOWUHDUH SUNSEH!!!
ON YUH
KULLA TEEVEE SCREE!!!
>>750944479
I've tried listening to use your illusions one and two but couldn't really get into them but appetite to destruction is really solid. Pure hard rock and every song is memorable at least to some degree. Even the songs I didn't enjoy had a beat that I can recognize.
>>750933988
they're even more faggy than Nirvan tbh
>>750948058
I really just can't get over the Axel Rose's voice, it causes headache and I'm being serious. I do admit that it's unique, but it's just as unique as a spoon posing as a compass in usefulness
>>750944479
If you count use your illusion one and two as one album they basically released one and a half good albums, thirty years ago.
Even really highly popular bands like, pink floyd (dsotm, wywh, the wall) led zep(2,4) radiohead(, the bends, ok, computer, kid a) metallica(master of puppets,justice, black album) produced two or three.
Guns and roses are the most overated band ive ever heard, ever, im not taking away anything from the talent, but one and a half albums of good material thirty years ago and still being so popular and well known, wtf. I could understand it if axl had died back in the 90's or something.
>>750944016
You contradict yourself, what if someone writes one note droning for half an hour or silence 'from the darkest region of their souls'? is it bad because it isn't complex enough for you or because it's noise?. And just because you don't like something doesn't mean it isn't music. Doesn't mean it's GOOD or BAD, there is this nifty invention called a dictionary, you should look up 'subjective' and 'objective', but you seem to have confused that technical mastery and the ability for expression are not mutually exclusive, if they were, we might all be listening to only orchestral bassoon solos and they'd still be making castratos or some shit.
>>750941314
This
>>750944479
Izzy Stradlin was a bad ass guitarist as well.
weak edginess
>>750942987
Holy shit anon don't make me think
>>750944243
>>750934315
Tool is for pasty, greasy-haired pseudo-tough guys
>>750935730
If those dudes would have quit in the late 90s they would have been just right... They just keep releasing shit after shit album in the second halfs of their lives.
TIL a lot of people on /b/ have shit taste in music.
Not going to specify, so you can't argue against me.
Suck my dick, niggers. :)))))
>>750934320
How is REO overrated? Nobody hardly mentions them and they're harmless
Anon, you never rode the storm out, did you?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPk4EX2GDc0
>>750936851
They have a couple good songs but they weren't nearly as amazing as everyone makes them out to be. If Cobain didn't try to suck the contents out of the muzzle of a 20 gauge shotgun nobody would give a shit about them now.
>>750940593
Ya everything after the black album was pretty shit but the new album they released was pretty decent.
>>750940604
> Led Zeppelin
You know how you know Zep was great? Because the songs that never had air time are good. Far from overrated, I will agree that their shit get way overplayed though.
>>750941414
I love Floyd and even some of the earlier shit where Waters is singing makes me cringe. He rounded out in the end, and Gilmour never seemed to try parts that were beyond his ability.
>>750942098
Definitely wouldn't call them overrated, they're underrated if anything.
Slayer
>>750934561
Foos went to complete shit after concrete and gold, but a lot of the earlier stuff is pretty good
>>750933561
The fact that so many books still name the Beatles as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" rock band ever only tells you how far rock music still is from becoming a serious art. Jazz critics have long recognized that the greatest jazz musicians of all times are Duke Ellington and John Coltrane, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Classical critics rank the highly controversial Beethoven over classical musicians who were highly popular in courts around Europe. Rock critics are still blinded by commercial success. The Beatles sold more than anyone else (not true, by the way), therefore they must have been the greatest. Jazz critics grow up listening to a lot of jazz music of the past, classical critics grow up listening to a lot of classical music of the past. Rock critics are often totally ignorant of the rock music of the past, they barely know the best sellers. No wonder they will think that the Beatles did anything worthy of being saved.
>>750952443
Every song sucks dude. The foo fighters suck eggs.
The Beatles
Pink Floyd
Foo Fighters
Nirvana
Metallica
>>750933209
34 y/o 1983 Birth and I second this!
HIP HOP FOR REAL NIGGER!
Nobody's mentioned Godsmack; is it because they're good, or simply not overrated?
>>750953644
They suck and nobody gives a shit about them.
>>750938420
This
>>750953739
Wasn't sure, ty
>>750953739
Agreed