Is being transgender a mental illness?
yes
>>750887329
Yes
>>750887329
yes. Nobody mentally healthy butchers themselves and forces others to play along with their delusions.
Yes
Buckle up buckaroos
>>750887329
Obviously.
>>750887372
/thread
Yes, but it’s not hurting anyone tbqh
>>750887565
it's hurting the moral fabric of America!
Yes of course it is
"it's a beautiful procedure!"
It's a mental illness supported by the same people who think everyone deserves a participation trophy and participated by suicidal/homicidal delusional lunatics.
>>750887499
Lol butchers, holy shit
>>750887329
Yes. If I was born a man and said I sexually and mentally identify as a fire engine and wanted to cut my dick off and replace it with a siren you would call me a lunatic. Why is it ANY different if I claim to be a woman on the inside?
Yes of course it is
with Body Identity Integrity Disorder (BIID) a person believes they should have a limb like an arm or leg or foot taken off. However no ethical surgeon would ever amputate a healthy limb. They would simply say they're mentally ill and prescribe therapy and possibly drugs to fix the mental imbalance.
However because a bunch of fags kicked up a fuss in the 60's and 70's, suddenly saying trannies are mentally ill is akin to calling black people niggers. So instead, they get the blessing from medical institutions to butcher their genitals and pump their bodies full of synthetic hormones the rest of their life to simulate the look of the opposite sex. Just as nature intended.
>>750887372
>>750887402
>>750887514
>>750887537
>>750887561
>>750887565
>>750887603
what are your opinions on children being transgender, and what would you do as a parent if you found out your kid is trans
>>750887823
might be pretty cool with a siren down there though
>>750887329
who cares? what effect does it have on you?
>>750887928
You ever hear the story of Hansel and Gretel?
If they're very lucky they'll run into a witch.
It's called body dismorphia, and used to be treated as such.
>>750887973
Maybe if they didn't shove their bullshit ideology down our throat all the time...
>>750887499
moms spaghetti
>>750888110
yeah, because that happens so often. get a life
>>750888032
Story?
>>750887329
Yes.
Once seen a post on b talking about the trans vagina being an open wound that tries to heal. Who knew we would start creampieing open wounds in the current year.
>>750888158
Dude do you watch tv, listen to radio or browse on Facebook/twitter? It's fucking everywhere, and you can never argue with it without being called "transphobic"
>>750887329
yes, its retarded
>>750887329
If it is then is gay a mental illness? How about chronic drug users/drunks?
>>750887329
No, there's no such thing.
Believing you're transgender is a mental illness.
>>750888286
i don't own a TV
why are you bitching about it while posting in a bread about it? you logic funny
>>750888333
trips fitting a philosopher
Body Dysmorphic Disorder look it up
>>750888358
>mfw someone gets the truth
>>750887973
>telling the mentally ill they're normal and letting them run around as such
They're a danger to themselves and others. If they had anything else, we'd drug them and put them in a mental ward.
>>750887823
Feels they were born the wrong gender = Wants to be an inanimate object?
How does that appear to be the same thing to you. That's like saying, gays want to be in the military and shouldn't because some people maybe want to swim naked in outer space and that's impossible so let's not allow either to be a thing. It's no where near the same thing. A man being a woman is plausible. Both men and women are human beings the main difference being reproductive organs. Man wanting to be a fire truck. Not plausible. Not even fucking close.
>>750887973
I hear this a lot from trannies. The thing is, it does affect others. Because with acceptance comes the need for society to play along with them. Leting trannys born ben go to womens rooms and showers. Which apparently bothers a number of women. But the defacto response is "get over it". Which is dismissive and doesn't take the majorities comfort into account.
Secondly it makes other people who are, for example, working with them to play along with their delusion. They say they're women. But all the meatball surgery hormones and wish-i-may's/wish-i-mights isn't going to turn that Y into an X. And the fuss that gets kicked up if they don't call them "she", holy shit. In fact, it's become something that you can be sued for in new york, and in some workplaces is now a fireable offense. This last one has hit in 2 specific workplaces i've been employed with in the past. The first one became a huge legal shitstorm that ended with multiple H1B's from india and pakistan getitng let go because they refused to play along, especially the women sharing the bathroom with the guy (i know, they're used to shitting in the street).
If they want to play dressup and delude themselves, fine. But don't drag everyone else along for the ride. "Shut up and pretend" isn't
>>750888370
Then wtf is the point of having a thread about it
>>750888581
unsupported opinions are just like assholes...
>>750888333
Gay? No.
Alcoholism and addiction are deseases and are treated as such by the medical community. ...
>>750888286
Dude you watch tv, browse Twitter/Facebook and there’s always something...
Animal rights
The environment
Trump
Gun laws
Vegans
Etc
You need to learn to ignore the things that don’t directly affect your life, or keep getting mad about it, I’m sure that accomplishes a lot.
>>750887615
>>750887499
You're so disgusted by it and yet you have the webm's saved on your computer.....
>>750888582
>a man being a woman is plausible
Logic
>>750888628
>It's fucking everywhere
crying about it being everywhere while posting in a bread about transpeople. that's brilliant, man. no, really.
>>750888648
>diseases
>mental ILLNESS
>illness
>disease
Uhhh ok? And why is gay not? Most trans are also gay.
>>750888166
Someone dies, picture gets taken, repressed tranny fag saves it and posts it in this thread
>>750887329
Yes.
I forget the psychology behind it, but something about "there's no cure for gender dysphoria, so the best thing we can do is try to make their quality of life better by yadda yadda yadda and surgery as a last resort, but it won't make their lives easier by any means."
>>750887565
it's hurting people suffering from gender dysphoria. i feel bad for them. some of them will never be at peace with the bodies they're in.
>>750887329
sometimes.
>>750887928
Kids go through phases. If they were sure by 14 or so, and knew all the downsides, I'd be ok with them doing what they wanted. But the "transitioning with hormone blockers before puberty" shit is asinine. Should honestly be illegal.
Overall I think we should be trying to find some way to correct the problem in the brain that leads to gender dysmorphism/dysphoria, so there's at least some other option available to attempt besides simply mutilating your junk.
>>750888784
this
Not to mention the only people who'd give a shit are the trannies who are in denial
>>750888632
>unsupported opinions
The suicide attempt rate among transgender persons ranges from 32% to 50% across the countries
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
Again, if they had anything else we'd be putting them in a rubber room.
>>750888674
You know, I'm not even mad about it, I just disagree and express my opinion here. I'm just tired of this ideological indoctrination, and you're the one who says I shouldn't share my opinion
Would extreme insecurity count as a mental illness? People who change their gender or want to be the opposite sex have deep emotional issues. Being gay is an attraction to opposite sex. Changing your sex is insecurity I can’t even fathom. It has to stem from a traumatic event or a genetic mental issue. No one who has had a good upbringing does that unless they have a mental problem they can’t help.
>>750888917
Ah the old tired addage "if you hate something, you must secretly be it."
I guess i'm a nigger then.
>>750888982
not surprising when they have to deal with bigots such as yourself. :)
Theres a mental disorder where you dont feel that a limb of yours is actually yours and people have died cutting it off. I dont see any difference with this except that its your genitals
>>750887329
It's a social construct. Your question makes no sense. In some countries it is on a list and in other ones it isn't. Who cares? I have yet to even meet a transgender person and you probably havent met one either. It's a waste of fucking time.
>>750887329
It's an evolution of the human gender that has been around since humans began to understand their genders and develop gender roles. It wasn't until complex social hierarchies and religions start to come about that people even cared what you did with your life. Do I think trans people are over represented in our victim creating culture, of course. Do I think it's a mental disease to feel uncomfortable in the gender role placed upon you by a society that made those roles before any of us were even alive and has been pushing them down our throats every generation, no. Do I think sex change surgery is a good idea with our current technology, yes. Do I think taking hormones as a child is a good idea, no.
>>750889086
Body dysmorphic disorder. And yes, transexualism is kind of related to that.
>>750889070
The world is a better place without them.
Say what you will about muslim countries. They don't have to listen to trannyfags piss and moan about not being able to piss in the womens shitter. They're too busy avoiding being chucked off roofs.
>>750889123
Do I think sex change surgery is a good idea NO****
>>750889206
BIID see:
>>750887926
You go on a night out sleep with a trans person not knowing they are trans, you find out the next morning, do you claim rape?
>>750887329
yes
>>750889070
>In San Francisco, the prevalence of attempted suicide among transgender persons is 32%, among young age (<25 years) it is 50%.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5178031/
Explain this then. Explain why they're still trying to kill themselves in places like San Francisco.
i'm trans and i wouldn't say it's a mental illness, we're just different
>>750888991
Did I say not to express your opinion? If you’re done playing the victim, no I did not. It’s not your opinion, it’s how you choose to express it.
>>750889043
>I guess i'm a nigger then.
Did you mean to walk right into it?
>>750887928
I would tell them to get the fuck off tumblr
>>750889348
No amount of booze can make a tranny look or sound like an actual woman. No amount of surgery or hormones can make that frankensteins monster pass for a woman.
>>750887926
>sex change is "biologically impossible"
This. Turning your penis outside in & stuffing it up inside yourself while taking female hormones does not make you biologically female. It doesn't make you start putting out female pheromones. It's a band aid at best that is more harm then good.
I'm not trying to take anything away from the suffering these people endure. I can't imagine it, it has to be horrible. But calling types of treatments that aim to fix the brain to match the body rather than the other way around bigoted & backwards doesn't help these people. Encouraging their delusions & allowing doctors & pharmaceutical companies to make mounds of cash off them by pandering to those delusions & mutilating their bodies is cruel & should be criminal. A dolphinoplasty doesn't work & neither does a sex change, and all the acceptance in the world will never change the basic fact that we're all just pretending.
>>750889649
Yeah mainly because when they do pass you have no idea they're even doing it.
You only know they're trans when you can tell they don't pass and then you assume all trans can't pass because the ones you've personally met don't lmao?
>>750887329
yes
>>750889771
Isn't society basically about telling people what they want to hear so they can tell you what you want to hear and you exist in a state of mutual agreement over things which aren't true to begin with anyway?
>>750889600
The moment I have a kid that starts talking about gender or sexuality in percentages or using anything other than "male" or "female" is the day they get a couple of hard blows to the face, their computer and phone taken away and us moving to the most bible-thumping redneck town in Mississippi that resembles the town from Footloose i can find.
>>750889790
>Yeah mainly because when they do pass you have no idea they're even doing it.
This has never happened in the history of this disgusting fetish.
>>750889348
I think there was a Supreme Court case about this a while ago. IIRC, it claimed that deceit/not disclosing biological gender prior to sex wasn't/isn't a means for pursuing a rape conviction, which is pretty fucked up.
I don't blame the transsexuals, they're mentally ill and don't know any better. I blame the quack doctors who actually mutilate people because of this. In 10-20 years you're going to see a generation of regret. This stuff will be looked upon by the medical community the way lobotomies are now.
I am going to be so happy when these doctors get their asses sued.
>>750887329
>Is being transgender a mental illness?
Do you even need to ask that question?
>>750887329
>Is being transgender a mental illness?
yes
or if you wish to split hair, a mental disorder
>>750887329
Medfag here
Personal opinion is yes. furthermore, I believe we have this exceedlingly strange culture surrounding ideas of gender. If a man identifies with feminine ideals, we tend to tell them to down estrogen and cut their dicks off. I feel someone follows through with this, surely mentally ill.
>>750887329
Absofuckinglutely.
>>750888032
Good riddance
>>750887565
It's hurting the transgender people themselves in that instead of legitimately helping them, we play along with their delusions and help them mutilate themselves which fills them with extreme regret when they thought the surgery would make them into a perfect woman and not some deformed freak who can't even pee properly anymore. The suicide rate is 40% for trans people which is WAY higher than any other group, and society's acceptance which supposedly should have brought that rate down, has had no effect at all.
>>750889900
....but that's bullshit. It is & always has been bullshit. We need LESS bullshit, not MORE, otherwise we're going to be swimming in a sea of our own manufactured waste, while every other form of life cursed to share this world with us dies off & the ecosystem of the only planet we know of proven to harbor life, period, collapses; & we die off too.
No that's not all on the trannies, that's on the bullshit we feed ourselves & perpetuate through our societal white lies.
>>750888991
>indoctrination
No it’s called bringing awareness to something that they’re suffering with. They could sit home all day and not say a word about it to anyone (which obviously isn’t healthy) OR they can discuss it with others that feel same way or don’t fully understand.
>>750888799
i understand that some people believe in the lgbt bullshit, and i can tolerate that, even though i think it's disgusting.
but when you as tranny lie about not having a dick in order to pass off as a woman, you're asking for an ass-kicking. they didn't have to kill the poor faggot, but a good ol' kick in the nuts is definitely justified
>>750888982
How do we get it to 100?
>>750889649
surely
Is rain wet?
What dumb fucking question. You should feel ashamed.
Haha okay. Since yall have such obvious conservative views, heres a follow up question, is gay marriage okay?
inb4 no because my skydaddy said so
>>750888674
correct
>>750890446
Nobody cares about your gay marriage, and the only ones who do are gays and the mentality disabled.
>>750890398
>please tell me more about professional photography, make up, lighting, the right angle and photoshop
>>750888333
mfw transgender = disease, nice trips
>>750890398
And then he speaks..
>>750890540
No one cares about your sky daddy belief system, and the ones who do are living in the past where things were wrong and disgusting because god says so.
yeah. i think it's okay but there's something off with people who feel like they need procedures to alter their sexual organs
>>750890446
It's not a matter of views, conservative or otherwise, or opinions. It's a fact. The mental condition that leads to transgenderism is in fact a mental disorder. Our views on the subject are irrelevant.
Gay marriage is neither k or not OK, that's a subjective question.
>>750890446
Let them. They can do as they please. We need all the fewer humans we can get, so less people breeding is always a bonus to me.
>>750887329
Yes. Of course it's a mental disorder. What sane person thinks: "Dude! I shoulda been born a chick! I'm gonna go have my dick turned into an open wound now!"
>>750890075
more deets on occupation please
>>750890040
>This stuff will be looked upon by the medical community the way lobotomies are now.
Nope. This has been pushed for a hundred years. I kid you not, Hitler gassed the Jews over this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Institut_f%C3%BCr_Sexualwissenschaft#Transgender_pioneers
>>750887329
Does a bear shit in the woods?
>>750890446
Don't care about gay marriage. The transgender movement is disturbing to me because it causes me to lose trust in modern medical practices.
If I show up at a hospital asking them to cut off my penis, they should be figuring out what's wrong with my head, not carving me up.
>>750890624
Why the hell are you getting triggered. I said I don't care. Why should I worry about two guys fucking in their room when I got better things to worry about. Like who am I gonna get to fuck in my room.
>>750890653
dude go ahead and cut your balls, lead by example
>>750890446
>conservative
FFS I'm a centrist; I believe in reality.
Reality & conservatism have traditionally been at odds, being so tied up in religion, but lately the scrip has done been flipped there.
ill = unwell
illness = unwellness
unwellness includes things that cause mental/emotional strain
What causes mental/emotional strain? Forcing yourself to be anyone other than who you were biologichemically/neurologically wired to be.
So this means in the case of trans people:
Forcing themselves to be normal = unwellness = the REAL illness
Going in the direction of being the person that causes them mental/emotional peace = WELLness = NOT illness
In short. Transgender is NOT a mental illness
>>750890647
The gay marriage was my only question. Yes, transgenderism is a mental disorder. Theyre still fairly high functioning so im not seeing the big deal here.
>gay marriage is not wrong or right, subjectively
What makes it wrong? First, people cry about men wanting to be female. Now even gay marriage is controversial. What if im just not happy with a woman at all? Die alone? Fuck that. Ill get buttfucked when i want because im a concious human being. I dont need to obey made up barriers.
>>750890446
being gay means having a sexual attraction to the same gender, being trans and mutilating your own body is not the same, one denies your birth gender the other doesn't
>>750890733
Good guy Hitler.
>>750888910
All jokes aside, I actually know a guy whos son whos tg and he life is a nightmare since this "Trend" started. He basically told him that if he can save 20,000 for when hes 18 and can pay for the surgery and hrt then he doesnt care. Fucked up park is that hes dating a girl who is also tg.
>>750888817
>3rd party chiming in.
The difference is Gay people don’t want to cut their dicks off. Trannies are trying to be something they physically are not. Orientation has nothing to do with self image, a gay man is just a man who beds other men. There have been gay people since people have been around. Romans would have gay sex parties. Also there are plenty of other animal species that have been known to take part in homosexual activities. You could almost make the arguement that homosexuality is natural.
There is nothing natural about taking hormones, surgically reconstructing your face, and cutting off your dick.
This is in part a byproduct of the failure of America to provide adequate mental health treatment.
>>750890446
I'm the one calling for 100% suicide rate in >>750890377 and of course gay marriage is okay.
Just because some dude loves the robust taste of cock doesn't mean its okay to not let him enjoy the benefits of civil unions in our nation. There is a far cry of difference between incurable mental illness and deviancy.
Serving in the military is a totally different matter however. Don't ask don't tell was a good policy in fact.
Just watched a doco on this issue of trans kids and it fucking makes me angry. World renowned paediatric psychiatrist got fired and his practice closed for doing "conversion therapy" when all he was doing was not blindly following these cunts ideology. You guys have no idea how far fucked you all are. They have warped public opinion so far in one direction that it's going to be illegal for you to refuse if your 4 year old kid decides to change gender, the government can take your own kid away.
80 to 87% of kids grow out of it. This statistic is a real problem for the trans activists. What is really important about it though is that there is no correlation to the severity of the symptoms. For example, a kid that has really severe symptoms could have more of a chance of being normal than a kid with light symptoms. Has a lot to do with the kids environment.
tldr, it's a mental illness but good luck weeding it out of society now.
>>750890846
You want to mutilate your junk because you don't like what you are. How is that not an illness.
>>750890797
I'm 40 next year. No kids. At this point it'd be a dick move to have them anyway.
So no sack cutting necessary. But 7 BILLION of us are far, far, far too many.
Getting to the point, honestly, where a holocaust would be necessary to correct the gross overpopulation; but I think the choice will be taken out of our hands before it comes to that.
>>750890771
Yes and no. Reasonable response but what about human rights? I mean if i wanna kill myself, i should have the right to buy a rope at any time, right? Because its my life if i wanna end it, i always have the option. Who's to say we wouldnt just learn how to do trans op ourselves?
>>750890877
What a disappointment he must be. All that work raising him and to have their hopes and dreams dashed.
>>750887565
a teacher in the uk is being fired for calling a transgender child by their biological sex
>>750890817
Well shit. Youre not wrong. Gotta give you points there.
>>750890921
not really, they dont produce children, thats the whole point of marriage and all the crap thats get better with it. to promote fucking humas to fuck and produce little humans. its not even about equality or some bs
>>750891062
you can be whatever you want to be to yourself and thats just fine. stop tryna pick up straight dudes after yer sergery tho. fn grose tryna trick me and sht thats a problem for real.
>>750890954
The point is, you can't scream "mental illness" as if you're an ally of wellness if you demonize people for doing what it takes to find that wellness
>>750890846
I guess it boils down to which is the part you consider to be unwell? Is it the brain, or the body?
In every other case of the brain not matching the body BESIDES transgenderism, we fix the brain to match the body.
Why is this one particular thing so different?
>>750890997
If were gonna kill yourself you would of done it by now. Rope or not it doesn't matter death is death. Stop attention whoring by pretending like it's a big deal and do it like the ones who really don't give a fuck and kill yourself.
>>750890866
Lets not forget that sex and gender are not the same thing.
>>750891013
Maybe not will all parents but yes in this situation. This guy is a hardened canadian, was a lumber jack, crabber, miner, heavy machine repair man, fucking even picking mushrooms in the back country of the rockies all to settle down and have his first born son become a huge fag lord who wants to draw hentai for a living and move to japan
>>750887329
Yes
>>750890997
I saw a bum bashing his head into a building on the way to work this morning. Even though he's found a way to get his head bashed up without a professional, surgical head-bashing, what he really needs is psychological assistance.
>>750888619
Man, Dave has it.
My motto has always been "Let all the flowers bloom, but they don't have to bloom in my garden."
>>750890916
Okay? So i have to *naturally* be a man or woman? Does that mean you oppose tattoos, piercings, shit, even clothes? None of those *natural*. This should disgust you in theory but im implying youre going to suggest "no, because i and i only find sexually attractive" making you a massive hypocrite. Is it because youre afraid youll accidentally pick up a tranny at a bar one night and not know it till its too late?
They are coming for your kids anons
>>750891122
Wanting to self mutilate yourself purely for aesthetic reasons is a mental illness.
>>750891139
I think it's important to ask yourself what really is so wrong with changing the body to match the brain?
Is it because it's weird? Is it being weird a valid enough reason to diametrically oppose it?
A little introspection goes a long way in the realm of human compassion and peace amongst humanity
>>750891332
You don't "have" to do anything. But if you do want to to be a trany then just admit you have a mental illness. This is not a difficult concept to understand.
>>750890921
>dont ask dont tell
Reasonable opinion. Even as someone who support LGBTwhatever i agree that trans people shouldnt be allowed to sign up. The suicide rate is too high
No. WAIT, hear me out. It's not a mental illness in that there is no one thing that can possibly go wrong in a person's brain to make them honestly believe with all their heart that they're another gender. It IS, however, a symptom of one or more other mental illnesses which are generally caused not by actual defects in your brain but by environmental factors such as neglectful or liberal parents that either don't know how or just aren't around to tell their child "no. That's wrong."
>>750891122
sometimes extreme measures must be taken to ensure social hygene.
We still base our social structure off our primate ancestors. It's millions of years of evolution that includes ostracizing those who are not like the rest of the group, disabled, infirm, etc. We're not going to just ditch it because we had a bunch of dopes with blue hair start a hashtag protest on twitter.
Fags and trannies (same difference really) should be thanking our lucky stars we came as far as we have It's been years since the U.S. has had a fag drag ala Matthew Shepard.
They keep wanting this social change overnight, but if black people have taught us anything (other than locking up our valuables) it's social acceptance comes slowly.
>>750887329
Yes, so is being gay. If you are a dude, and you don't like pussy, you totally fucked in the head.
>>750891145
Not going to reply until you reread what i said. Not once did i imply i was killing myself. Try again.
>>750891099
You have a point. However the fact is not all marriages result in procreation, therefore denying citizens equal access is not something I have sacrificed for, nor would support.
If you're into raging faggotry or carpet munching have at it. Just leave others out of your agenda. Pretending that biology is not a thing and using medical resources that could be better spent elsewhere to mutilate your body is another matter entirely.
What the fuck happened to "First do no harm..."?
>>750891577
3edgy5me
>>750891601
You just did.
ONLY WHEN YOURE NOT HOT AS THE GENDER YOU CHOOSE TO BE
CAITLYN JENNER >MENTAL ILLNESS
LOVEBIRD94 >TRANS
/THREAD
>>750891429
Becos the brain is wrong derrrr
If the brain thinks that wall is painted white but it's actually painted red, there is a disconnect between your brain and reality. this is the problem with trannies. The reality is different to their "feels" which is what a mental illness is.
>>750891429
>I think it's important to ask yourself what really is so wrong with changing the body to match the brain?
It's also important to ask WHY it is SO important it be THAT way?
If there were a movement to research non-"shock"/kook therapy ways to correct the BRAIN to match the BODY, from an avenue that would actually be successful, would you oppose it? Are you actually in search of a cure from this hell? Or just a false vagina?
>>750891289
This is true, but can we afford to nurse more mentally ill is the question. Ive no problem with declaring a mental issue, i dont think much of them need anything more than SSRI's really. Its mainly a depression/suicide issue if they become a post op tranny. Not much we can do if they wanted this.
>>750890446
“Sky daddy” as you call him gave people choice, you can choose to do whatever you like.
>>750887329
Spiritual illness
>>750891501
I never said it wasnt a mental illness, we were talking about becoming the opposite sex *naturally*. That was the key word that was used between you and i.
>>750889900
>....but that's bullshit.
No it isn't, its human. Humans *ARE* bullshit and every attempt to circumvent our bullshit in human history has ended in a blood-bath. We all live in these bubbles of who we think we are and almost nobody, me and you and everyone in this thread included lives in reality.
We can advocate "critical thinking" as much as we want but we still think child labor is bad but use iphones and we think deforestation is bad and humans are cruel to animals but we do things which are hippocritical every single day of our lives.
This idea that you can some how ascend through the bullshit that's so "noble" is infantile and creates even more bullshit.
Its like there's fourteen competing standards of bullshit and when you say you're going to invent a way to fix it all, then there's fifteen.
This idea of wanting "less bullshit" is fundamentally retarded when all human behavior is an attempt at an adaptation which either succeeds or fails.
The person doesn't get to decide if they want to do it or not, they only get one path to happiness.
Who are you to say someone else doesn't deserve happiness because their happiness makes you uncomfortable even though it literally has zero affect on your life other than having to change three words and be respectful and tolerant to someone? Boo fucking hoo, three fucking words.
Go back to 360 no-scopng and sucking off your dog because your mom is too kind because your dad isn't around.
>>750891758
Bullshit. "Do as I say or burn eternally because I'm the one sending you to burn" is not a fucking choice.
>>750891690
>LOVEBIRD94
>HOT
Go be gay somewhere else.
>>750891690
Something about hollywood. they all move there and suddenly "discover" they were women all along. usually after being subjected to "plastic surgery can fix all ills" society, or in the case of the wachowskis, S&M and buck angels girlfriend, and then eventually turned his butch brother.
>>750891758
I choose to be a tranny. Tell you skydaddy to boohoo about it.
>>750891517
Don't ask don't tell is about being homacious not trans.
>>750891858
>>Current gender reassignment surgery is "natural"
>>inb4 everything on the planet is natural argument.
>>750890954
To someone who's trans, their junk is mutilated on arrival. Seeing as its their junk and not yours, they're the ones who have to live with it. What fucking business is it of yours whats between someone's legs?
>>750891062
How is that any different from losing your job for calling a black person a nigger?
>>750889590
ITT - muh wongsex born in thenot-my body; why cant you just accept me?
The reason people hate trannies is they ask the rest of the world to accept them as they see themselves YET are/were not able to accept themselves as they were. trannies are hypocrites. nobody owes you anything in life but don't get mad when your family treats you like a teenage girls treat autismo guys in highschool.
>>750891858
You want a natural birth? Go unbirth yourself and come back as your "corrected" gender.
>>750891904
fuck you faggot lovebird for life
>>750892062
>>750890916
>3rd party chimes in
Do you know where you are or how this board works? I think you’re just mad cause I pointed out just how dumb you are.
>>750891871
One path to happiness...
Haha you are far too gone already. I feel sorry for you.
>>750890297
No, it's indoctrination.
>>750891904
>implying you would not suck the cock on that chick
>>750891998
How would you see your junk as an issue to begin with. What drove you to think "HEY dicks are weird, better get a vagina"
>>750892158
Far gone? If you don't believe in the pursuit of human happiness, literally go become an ant and serve your colony.
>>750892159
you know that psychologists generally agree that the only effective way to deal with gender dysphoria is gender transition
>>750892233
trannies and tranny lovers aren't human
>>750891122
But it doesn't make them well. Whether they chop their dick off or not, almost half of them still want to kill themselves.
http://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/AFSP-Williams-Suicide-Report-Final.pdf
Page 8 table 5
>percent of people who want MTF surgery that attempt suicide
43%
>percent of people who have received MTF surgery that attempt suicide
43%
>percent of people who want FTM surgery that attempt suicide
56%
>percent of people who have received FTM surgery that attempt suicide
46%
>>750892224
Literally viewing your genitals as a deformity from what they're meant to be.
Its a bit like having a mask glued onto your face or some kind of horrible burn. Thats how the world sees you, but its not how you see yourself.
There is way more to gender than just your junk, but it always seems weird how people arguing against it think junk is literally the only part of being male or female.
If you think thats the case, go stick it in Buck Angel's pussy (google it). If you think that shit is hella fucking gay, congrats: You've got a double standard.
>>750892516
People who decide other humans aren't human because of arbitrary standards are screaming babies who want their bottles.
Yes.
>>750892349
No. Stop Literally lying. if you think the science is settled then you are completely delusional.
Actually, what has been happening is that alternative opinions are being shut down because "transphobia". Psychologist are afraid to speak out because they will get fired. It is the literal formation of ideology we are seeing.
>>750887329
Check out DSM5, yes
>>750892516
Ant/10 would die for his queen like the beta orbiter he is
>>750889582
Schizophrenics aren't mentally ill! They're just different!
Sociopaths aren't mentally ill! They're just different!
Psychopaths aren't mentally ill! They're just different!
>a step back in evolution
>not a mental illness
Pick one
>>750887329
No. Gender dysphoria is the illness. Transitioning is a misguided attempt at treating it that doesn't work well.
>>750889900
Wut?!?!
Society as you call it is a result of specialization.
If you look at it in the context / course of evolution, society is an experiment (timewise) that we still don't know will work out or not.
Laws derive from Morals, which derive from Survival. What is "right" or "good" started out as what was necessary for survival. Why we find fucking 10 yr olds repugnant for instance. That's conditioning, but if you look at root causes - just not good for survival.
>>750892523
You're dumb as shit faggot, no where does that state it's peer reviewed.
If transitioning caused more suicides they'd never allow it. This is just fucking stupid, and I know some dumb faggot will be like
OH A STUDY HOLY SHIT MUST BE TRUE
Fucking inbred morons, you and anyone who believes you
>>750891871
>Go back to 360 no-scopng and sucking off your dog because your mom is too kind because your dad isn't around.
Holy shit; that projectionism. I almost didn't see this because you failed to actually respond to me.
You're right; humans ARE bullshit. But you're failing to see the dominoes here; for entirely selfish reasons. The amount of bullshit & unreality we accept just escalates, becomes more & more & more.... All in the name of making ourselves & one another "happy".
Guess what?
WE DON'T FUCKING DESERVE TO BE HAPPY.
THE VAST MAJORITY OF HUMANITY IS NOT HAPPY & NEVER WILL BE.
And it doesn't fucking matter what you, or I, or anyone else wants.
There's reality, & there's NOT reality.
If we actually want to survive as a species; we better start getting with motherfucking reality REAL fucking fast, on every possible front.
>>750889649
Is that thing even human?
>>750892349
Daily reminder that old timey doctors would sprinkle random herbs and shit on people to cure diseases they knew nothing about. A doctor's first opinion, or even a handful of doctors' first opinions, is not the be all, end all solution every time. Clearly more research is required to help these poor souls come to terms with their own bodies.
>>750887329
yes, but its curable. with bullets
Some people need to have sexual reassignment surgery to lead happy lives. You can try to debate this but it's their right to lead the live they want. Same as you. With that being said. Transgender suicide rate doesn't change with post op. What you should gather from that is that a majority of trans don't need surgery and just need therapy and acceptance. Gender dysphoria is rampant in this age with people just trans-trending and then tying a noose once they've figured out their life isn't going to be the same. EVER.
Source:I have had two friends who are trans. One is way better for it and I even thought it suited them. The other wants to kill herself all the time. The latter? Decided this shit in the last TWO years. Apparently mutilating your genitals for an Instagram post is worth it
>>750892689
>If transitioning caused more suicides they'd never allow it
this transgender disorder bullshit means tons of money for multiple sources, no number of suicides would cause "them" to "disallow" it.
>>750891902
Those are the words of men, you're quoting you fucking idiot.
They sold you bullshit and you bought it thinking you knew where the bullshit started and ended. Any 'holybook' is written and not by gods. The issue is you think you're(by that i mean you viewing the individual or collectivistic humanity) fucking special enough that our conceptual construct of 'god' would give a minutiae enough fuck to even say hi, rather than just program us to work and exist quasi infinitely to do what we were intended to do. hope/faith not arrogance.
Cognitive dissonance all up in this bitch.
>>750892553
People aren't born to think they have a problem you fucking cock. They start having a problem when others tell them they have a problem. Yes there people born with defects that should be treated when it becomes life threatening, but being a tranny isn't one of them. The world never owed anything to the common man or woman for being normal why should we put special care into retards like you.
>>750887329
yes
>>750891910
What the FUCK happened here? Holy shit.
>>750889070
>not surprising when they have to deal with bigots such as yourself. :)
Name one other group that has a suicide rate nearly as high due to bigotry. Protip: you can't.
>>750892674
a much better comparison is anorexia.
anorexics see themselves in a way that contradicts reality.
>>750888333
How the fuck are those comparable?
>>750892689
Holy shit; CIRCUMCISION STILL EXISTS AS AN ELECTIVE, NONCONSENTUAL PROCEDURE PERFORMED ON INFANTS.
Money will fucking allow ANYTHING.
>>750892990
We should just let them starve themselves to death then.
>>750887329
Seems like it is
>>750887329
Being this fucking triggered over it sure is
>>750888695
and I have an entire rekt thread folder, are you retarded?
>>750888817
Because gays keeps their "gender". They don't want to change reality based on their delusions.
>>750892915
So.... where, exactly, did you get this notion you were given a "choice"? Or that there existed ANYthing to have faith in, period, to begin with?
Obviously it must have been at least A god themselves; otherwise you yourself are just spouting off the words/thoughts of humans.
>>750892881
>>750893031
What is wrong with you man? Does everything need to be a conspiracy?
I know I'm arguing with a willfully ignorant individual right now but holy shit
Fuck this thread and just about everyone in it, there aren't enough educated people in here. All the facts will get drowned out by insane bullshit like this. Congratulations you faggots are creating a misinformation train hell a misinformation train probably led to this post.
It's a neverending circle of idiots. You're all idiots. Fuck you and your parents for raising you wrong.
>>750887565
i mean they kinda are, but not as badly as gays though. Their would be children could be productive members of society but since they are degenerates conceiving a child is very difficult and the productive offspring isn't hence born.
>>750892605
The world will be a better place without your kind.
>>750893054
Hey, c'mon, let's be reasonable. We need to encourage anos, fatties, transfags, whatever, to just deal with reality and make sure they get the help they need to be able to live a healthy, normal life. Nobody necessarily has to die. I mean, okay, as a final solution maybe but there are many measures we can try before then.
>>750893216
How much does a full transition process cost, beginning to end, hormones & all?
How much for surgeons, and pharmaceutical companies?
How much do individual foreskins get sold for by hospitals to the pharmaceutical & cosmetics industries?
YOU'RE fucking delusional if you can't fucking see that money drives FUCKING EVERYTHING in the United States. Always has, always will.
>>750887928
Children merely take on what ever their parents reinforce. Which is why they aren't allowed to make their own decisions. There are no trans kids, just really shitty parents.
>>750893380
Not reading your faggot sperg post
Kill yourself you inbred willfully ignorant moron
>>750892674
Exactly. We should be giving the voices in schizos heads citizenship and voting rights. To suggest they're mentally ill is discriminatory and bigoted.
>>750887615
this is disgusting. just keep your cock and dress up.
>>750887329
Yes. Body Dysmorphia
>>750893216
Guess 4chan wasn't the safe space you thought it was. Too bad there was too much reality here for you today.
>>750893539
Yeah, clearly I'm a safe space kind of guy >>750893450 you fuckin tryhard
>>750887329
Yes.
>>750893380
That is not a conspiracy, just the application of Descartes and Kant ideas.
>>750887329
Yes, except in the case of hermaphrodites.
>>750892687
>post picture of bill bye
>"but thats wrong you fucking retard"
>BILL NYE THINKS THERE ARE MORE THAN TWO GENDERS
>>750893450
>equivalent of fingers in ears, yelling loudly
Why am I not surprised?
>>750893585
Pretty clear when you cant take being rebutted, cant form cogent arguments, and get mad.
>>750893598
>That is not a conspiracy
Never said it was. It's reality.
>>750890014
Dressing as a whore DOES make her a whore though.
>>750892810
In the case off BIID mentioned earlier, while no ethical surgeon will remove a healthy limb, some people with BIID do end up going to other countries (south america/africa/etc) where medical practices have less oversight and they do get the limb removed. The initial reports are similar to trannies. A huge weight is lifted. They can finally live how they saw themselves, etc.
Until later when the condition reasserts itself on another limb. The other arm or leg, maybe a foot, whatever. And again, it absolutely has to go.
And they'll keep doing that until they're a stump, or until they finally realize the only way out for them is suicide
It's the same with trannies. Lots of trannies report they feel like they're supposed to. But later that feeling of unease kicks in. That feeling of incompleteness. They wish they hadn't had the procedure. Or they need another one. Maybe breast augmentation this time. It becomes surgical addition. This last one will be the surgery that fixes them. It will be the one that makes them whole and complete.
Not in all cases. But a lot. And this is why the default outrage and anger of being told they're mentally ill and should seek treatment is so funny. They're just facilitating the downward spiral of mental illness killing the very people they're claiming to protect.
>>750889095
ive meet multiple. maybe its prevalent on the east coast. i can remember bringing bud to these two "girls" a couple years back. both as tall as me, with hands that could palm a basketball.
>>750893380
I dunno, but I know we all helped pay Brad Manning, a traitor to the U.S. become a pretend broad.
>>750893890
Like this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jCR6gS8QQjk
>>750894008
Wasting your fingers typing sense to these morons, bro.
They don't want actual solutions; they want delusions they force everyone else to go along with.
>>750893943
Money is the last thing jews want. They want power, social control.
>>750894132
>power, social control
With the way this world has been set up to work; the bases for both of those things are bought. Money is the lure that gets the hook in the mouth to begin with.
Honestly it's been too soon to tell.
I mean look at all the gay bashing in the 70s/80s and HIV scare and we're pretty much cool on all fronts 50 years later.
And that has routes going back hundreds of years. Look at all the Greek and Roman butt love.
Transgender has only been a possibility in the last 30 years due to surgery and to be frank we need at least a few lifetimes worth of people to discover the long term mental effect of this.
We're already getting internet posts about people regretting it but until we get valid published data it's hearsay at this point and unproveable.
It may even turn into one of those things were ethically it's not ok to track it.
>>750894324
>ethically it's not ok to track it
Anytime knowledge & truth are looked down upon, we run full on into piles of horseshit. Face first.
Huge, steaming mounds of horseshit.
>>750888910
Tbf if you wanna go mtf puberty is a death sentence for passing
>>750893890
Also was responding to "society is bullshit" nonsense rant, not the mental disease currently en vogue known as transgenderisim.
>>750894552
And if it turns out it's not actually what you wanted & it WAS just some phase; you're left essentially a castrato with a babydick, like Jazz.
>>750894269
Money is not everything. We have example of Hitler that made businessmen as his bitches.
>>750894552
Why is passing so important though? It shouldn't matter right? Or is tricking people important?
>>750887329
Yes
>>750893608
Nah, it's still mental illness with the addition of a physical defect.
>>750894689
But the vast majority of the movement that swept Hitler into power was truth & anger; both of which have a toxic rap in the post WWII world.
>>750892689
Ahahahahaha. He fell for the peer review meme. Check this out.
https://www.naturalnews.com/046023_scientific_fraud_peer-reviewed_studies_retracted_papers.html
Some nerd made a scientific paper generator called SCIgen and fed an unknown number of fake papers into the peer review system for shits and giggles. 120 made it into scientific journals after being peer review certified. Literally anything can be considered peer reviewed. The system is trash.
>If transitioning caused more suicides they'd never allow it.
I didn't say that. Read it again. Transitioning causes males go from 43% to 43% and females go from 56% to 46%. Transitioning does fuck all as a cure.
Do they believe something that isn't true? Then yes.
>>750889225
You know Muslim countries do sex-changes very VERY early, right?
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>>750894959
That's fucking terrible.
>>750893020
How are they not?
Alcoholism=Mental illness/disease
Drug abuse=Mental illness/disease
Gay=Mental illness/disease
So logically trans is a illness/disease
>>750890398
It’s called photoshop retard. IRL you can tell.
>>750893929
>still trying this hard
>>750891902
Sure it is, he’s not making you do anything.
>>750894324
>I mean look at all the gay bashing in the 70s/80s and HIV scare and we're pretty much cool on all fronts 50 years later.
Denying a mental illness being a mental illness does not make it not a mental illness and there are plenty of documented arguments against being a tranny (you literally said so in your post before instantly doing a complete 360 and saying the people regretting it was somehow invalid data), oh, and being gay as well. The world is just run by the mentally ill so they disregard it, mistaking it for normalcy.
>>750894324
Trans as a surgical option is new but trans as a cultural thing is bloody ancient.
They literally predate Christianity and Jewdaism, as we've seen in burrial arrangements hundreds of thousands of years old and written texts -- and we see it all over the world, not just in niche pockets as a cultural phenomenon.
You have to remember, mental health and medical aid which are consistent and evidence based are relatively new things.
Even ancient Greece had Cybele, which basically encited an invented Goddess in the Roman Republic in order to enact religious law just to get basic human protection against persecution for transgender people, for who they were. Its literally in the documents of the time.
>>750894831
Anyway, what took down Hitler was other men with more power. I am not despising money, but people with so much money don't think about it, they already have all they can buy. That is my point.
I'm a trans, yes. it is very much so a mental illness, Also relevant, where can i get some gore/snuff on feminists getting absolutely mauled?
Not just getting their shit smacked but i need some life ending shit to look at.
>>750894324
>ethically it's not ok to track it
Whew. Bye bye society.
>>750895368
No, his followers are and they carve culture around his ideals to destroy the illusion of choice under this bullshit that "its better for you to do things our way" you retard.
Just because your own life is so pastiche you don't bump up against cultural walls just by doing something that literally predates the religion that made those walls doesn't mean those walls don't exist.
>>750895234
>"tryhard" as only defense against reality.
Whats "hard" about calling an idiot out when I see one?
>>750895526
>"I'm a trans"
Nobody talks about it in these terms like "a gay" or "a trans". Either you lack basic English speaking skills or you're a shitty liar.
>>750895556
Why do you faggot cunts think replies=successful trolling? It's not, you're stupid as fuck homie
>>750889904
'NO SON O' MINE GON BE NO APACHE ATTACK HELICOPTER CIST-ON-TESTICLE FLUID MANGINA BLUE HAIR UNIVAG'
>>750895389
We'll, I don't think it's invalid data. It's just you do have to take it with a bit of skepticism as it could be anyone making that post. That's why we need some life time studies where they check in every few years and we can gather real data rather than anecdotal.
>>750892687
Bill Nye is such a fucking cunt
>>750895618
I didn't get very far into the whole pronouns and whatever thing, I am currently chattering with shrinks at a poly..something gender godknows part of the VUMC in Amsterdam, and i'm very much so what i claim to be ^^; regardless of actually knowing what it is called in english, forgive me for that.
>>750895628
I don't think its successful anything, reasoning with you is like trying to talk sense to a child. You're just totally divorced from reality and completely unable to make a cogent argument.
Plus you're clearly mad, and I find that amusing.
>>750887329
Yes
>>750894959
No, they don't.
>>750895628
If nobody relies, their ideas aren't contested so idiots assume they're right.
If they do get replies, they don't answer legitimately and go lmaoyouhavebeentrolled even if the initial argument is totally deconstructed.
If the person gets called out for really shitty stuff "its just a joke anon jeez haha" and they get to detatch themselves from what is happening.
Shitposting is a cheap tactic to make weak arguments stronger. Provided there are idiots reading who are unsure about things but prefer ideas and ideologies over people, this kind of horseshit will always be prolific -- and you can always depend on basement dwellers to put ideas infront of human happiness because they don't see enough of other people or believe in happiness that isn't at the expense of another's.
Sounds a bit harsh but thats basically why communities like 4chin are totally bitter holes full of people who either flirt with society and enjoy seclusion because they have their reasons or people who feel totally alienated by society who are part of it because they think they have to be and hate society and think humans are shit and that ideas will save them even at the expense of the happiness of other humans who they arbitrarily decide are weak or not agreeing with them.
Sauce: I've basically been here on and off since 2005. Was a janitor 2007-2010. My husband died last year and I came back to see how things were. I thought I'd meet someone through this community like I did him but everyone I do meet is so bitter and "red pilled" that knowing someone comes here is automatically a red-flag.
At this point I'd rather date a normie than any of you even if we can never see eye to eye. They at least pretend to care about human happiness.
>>750895836
No need for that. Look, we'll start our own study. How about you cut off your dick here and now? I'll grab a pen and paper. You tell me what you're feeling post-dickcut.
>>750896180
Pain is my first guess ^^;
I'm gonna cut off my dick and replace it with a siren.
>>750896180
But Im comfortable in my own sex/gender so of course I wouldn't want that.
Someone who isn't and has done all the pre-operative shit like living as the opposite sex/hormones etc, they're obviously pretty certain on their decision.
Trans here.
I wouldn't say its a mental illness so much as its a neurological congenital defect.
Sort of like your drivers are wrong and the brains so complex that its literally easier to change the body than it is to try and change a biological computer with a topology more complex than the stars which are visible to us through radio-telescopes in the night's sky.
Like yeah you can argue its a mental defection but its a topographical defect which literally cannot be fixed and the only "fix" is to make it less painful for someone living with it and improve their daily lives by reducing the friction between body and mind.
I'd really appreciate if you stopped calling it a mental illness, which is something you develop circumstantially or via environmental effects and acknowledge it as a congenital defect -- basically the same as a fuckup at birth.
It *IS* a fuckup of the brain, but its a fuckup of the brain at birth, NOT one developed in life arbitrarily.
Sadly a lot of teenagers and kids and morons are co-opting it because they want to feel more snowflakey than usual.
The "mental illness" and "degenerate" meme really needs to die off. The good news is you're already half right -- its congenital defect and its divergent.
>>750887329
Yes.
>>750896319
Good, great hypothesis! Now to do the experiment. Get choppin', friend.
I'm dating a ftm tras.
Its great we hang out and do bro stuff then I fuck him in his pussy.
Better than this chick with a dick shit
I have no issue with anorexics, transablists, transpecies or anyone else with delusions. The transgender community has provoked an issue when they decided that anyone who believes they’re a certain sex, even if their biologically male, is entitled to use female spaces.
I categorically oppose to that shit. I have a kid. I don’t want her seeing your dick when she has to pee.
>>750896468
There are transgenders who detransition and regret it all after intensive therapy. So yeah, you can be fixed.
I don’t hate trannies, I hate what they’re doing to women.
>>750896453
Right, you're a reasonably healthy individual so obviously you don't want to do that. Understandable, no mentally sound person would want to do that. A mentally ill person, however, isn't exactly in the right state of mind, you know, being mentally ill and all, to make such a decision willy nilly.
>>750896737
Tbf genitals in a non sexual situation really isn't a big deal. They have communal changing rooms in plenty of countries. And female toilets are mostly cubicals anyway
tl;dr:
>You can't make someone have the biological sex of female, but you can give them the societal role of a woman.
>It is a congenital defect of divergent neurological topology.
>The brain is more complex than the arrangement of the stars in the known universe so trying to fix the brain specifically makes zero sense from a medical standpoint.
>It literally sets off the same "I am damaged" neurons as people with third degree burns or missing limbs do and is incredibly distressing for the person who is transgendered.
>So the solution is to reduce suffering by undertaking surgeries which reduce perceived differences and thus reduce net distress and make life easier.
I can never ever be female in terms of sex and I will never ever produce a child but I can at least attempt to live a life with as little pain as possible.
Minor note:
>Outside of tumblr most trans-people think modern feminism is insane.
>We're basically caught in the cross-fire
>Tumblr is literally people adopting our illness and making out its some kind of personal choice
>They are the ones who are *actually* mentally ill.
>Please don't assume we're those crazy people, we have our own shit to deal with holyshit
>>750896453
Couldn't they try living as the fucking gender they literally are...? Nah, better cut my dick off, lol.
