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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Dear Atheists/Agnostics
I'm a Christian but I'm not gonna be an asshole about it like many do on this site. I respect your intelligence to question things first.
I have also been doing that for years which lead me to videos like this one which really put a solid argument for the existence of God.
If you're as intelligent and mature as you think you are, you will listen to both sides of the story.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMqzN_YSXU
There are sources online, so many strong arguments for God and how everything fits together if you will only step out and look.
This video explains who exactly God is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rKa9hCu4nZE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJMy5X4tq-E
Here is very personal message God has left for you whether you believe in him yet or not. All of what you hear comes directly from the bible as you see the bible verses referenced in yellow.
How to be saved
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbb4xwYj19g
The problem I see with videos like "Evidence for god" is, that it is misleading. Of course there are reasons to make you think, an intelligent design makes sense to you. But that is no evidence. Fact is there is no proof for, neither against god. Debating about god is not scientifically because you have no scientific arguments.
The really important thing is that you love your life and be kind to others. And never force your believe on others, theist or atheist.
Thing is, there is no 100% proof. I don't care to waste my time with something that may not exist nor want to worship an idol that sends people to hell who aren't faithful to him. It's honestly that simple. I see Christians as wolf in sheep clothing, or men to scared to face the truth, or just ignorant.
>>750761721
A lot of the fat fedora wearing retards seem to be converting to Christianity (TJ, Carl Benjamin etc) Guess it's to cool thing to do
>>750761721
> I'm a Christian
> not an asshole about it
Pick one, Bud.
They all have micro penis
>>750761721
I don't see this as "solid evidence" anyways. Either way i don't care. When i die if i go to heaven or hell i'll just laugh and realize i was wrong. For now i don't believe.
The video seems to talk a lot about how life is perfectly suited to living on earth, no shit it does it evolved on the earth to suit the environment. Also there are so many planets in the universe are you surprised there is one that can sustain life?
>>750763972
Not op, but you won't be laughing, stupid nigger.
>>750761721
>>750764209
Alright bro let me rephrase, i'll realize i'm wrong. For now i don't give a shit.
>>750761721
Op's painting has to be about the stupidest painting by a stupid bitch ever. A carpenter (dirtball carpenter at that) shows up at her door and she mistakes him for god. Gets on oprah for it. Mediocre painter at best. Looks like a carpenter begging for work painted by sill-less bitch who needs cock.
>>750761721
MOAR?
Of course!
>>750761721
>evidence for god
Good one
I remember back in 2007/8 when I used to enjoy seeing threads like this one, because debating religion was fun.
>>750761721
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAj8Dvnoxd0
it's saying "i have blisters on my fingers" backwards as it starts.
>>750761721
"X-stian" on /b/
Fucking keks
Your jeebus will send you to hell!
>>750765897
mixing up god and jesus, the post
>>750761721
there's no such thing as atheists, or theists for that matter.
You can't prove god exists
you can't prove god doesn't exist
until one of you guys can do that, you don't exist as what you label yourself because there is no logical way to come to a definite answer either which way. You are both making factual claims of which you have no factual information on.
>>750766132
>>750766254
This isn't a YLYL thread but man i lost
>>750761721
If you can't explain why your god exists in a few short paragraphs, why should I waste my time watching all these videos?
>>750766336
God is a computer programmer
we are artificial intelligence inside a simulation, which is why God seems to defy "Physics" because "physics" is just part of the computer simulation.
done.
FUCK ATHEISTS
>>750766523
Yes, please fuck us. It feels good.
>>750766523
man I would love to fuck this one atheist bitch on Youtube, Angrylittlegiri or whatever. her real name was Jessica. So fuckable years ago
>>750766572
you're not atheist.
>>750766306
Ooops, sorry!
>>750766523
FAGGOT!
>>750766509
>which is why God seems to defy "Physics"
Your explanation seems to rely on circular logic.
>>750766597
I do not believe in gods, so I'm an atheist.
>>750761721
HOLY SHIT!!!!
KENNY LOGGINS IS JESUS!!!!!
>>750766632
Yo Donny!
What do you expect from religious cucks?
>>750766632
we now are on the verge of creating our own artificial intelligence inside a computer, which makes it feasible and reasonable to assume that a being who has already evolved has created us inside a simulation.
>>750766714
I'm not religious, I believe solely in science and scientific theory, which is why I say God is a computer programmer and we are his simulation.
>>750766729
atheism is hands down the easiest religion to troll
>>750766804
Atheism doesn't exist. There is only Theism and Agnosticism, and a bunch of assholes who call them self Atheists but can't even define it.
>>750761721
>>750766760
So you're a theist/agnostic?
Same shit different name.
Have a bird
>>750761721
Rhett?
>>750766804
>Atheism
>Religion
Pick one
There is a flaw in the video about the way planets spin
>>750766984
>>750766984
see what I mean?
>>750761721
9 seconds in and it's already heresy (no Firmament). 35 seconds in and it's total fallacy.
The scientific viewpoint is not that the universe came into existence from nothing, it's that the universe was, at one point, compressed into a singularity.
What, if anything, preceded/caused that singularity is beyond our ability to mathematically model. It's not "from nothing", it's "from [we don't know yet]".
With such a fundamental misunderstanding of scientific theory, I see no reason to waste a half hour of my life watching the rest of this.
Is that prejudicial of me? Sure.
But imagine someone tells you they're going to give you scientific evidence of something and they start with "Since we know that wood is composed of the four basic elements of earth, fire, air, and water...". That's how I feel here.
moar jebus memes
Inteligent design = god
theist logic lol
>>750767104
Okies
Coming!
Share some faggot, I don't wanna waste my folder with fuck all in exchange!
>>750761721
I say nay!
>>750767186
>>750761721
>There are sources online
Why do idiots always reference this? I guess it convinced them so.....
It's like they don't know how the internet works
>>750766927
How can someone be a theist agnostic? no, I'm neither.
>>750767247
PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!
>>750767247
My internet research says this is our true God
PRAISE OUR LORD AND SAVIOUR!
PASTAFARIA WILL SAVE THE WORLD
HOLY MEATBALLS!
>>750761721
I hope this is just another bait. People shouldn't be serious about this bullshit in the 21st century.
>>750761721
If there is a god, why is the Christian god the true God? If you believe a deity exists, why is it absurd to believe that others exist? Even the God of the Bible acknowledges other powers besides himself, and says to stay away from them. Sounds like the insecure and jealous Demiurge that the Gnostics talk about.
>>750767640
Because they say so!
>>750767072
Atheists are in denial that Atheism is literally a religion.
>>750767640
Who has the evidence that the Christian god is not the only true god? There may be an invisible pink unicorn behind you right now on another dimensional frequency, I can't prove it but you also can't disprove it.
>>750767640
Because God is the white God, and if there is a deity, whites are clearly the chosen people. See literally all of the history of mankind.
>>750767640
Right, the commandment is "You shall have no other gods before ME" not "There are no other gods, ignore those silly fake religions." Nor is it absurd, but biblically backed up by the existence of Beelzebub and other non-Abrahamic gods.
>why is the Christian god the true God
When you get to the top of the ladder, you stop climbing.
I take too much lsd for God
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hf2CxZPl7KI&ytbChannel=10thdim
>>750761721
Enjoy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F81S50xL8I
>>750768479
Let's go for the full one!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAIcEXUEtEw
niggers tongue my anus
>>750761721
>you will listen to both sides of the story
You are right
I just listened to both sides of the story, and decided Satan is where it is at
Thanks, OP
>>750768781
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLr8gnYpVsg
>>750766804
Hey, you've gotten at least one hooked. >>750766984
>>750766157
Wow! You must be a special kind of stupid. Atheists aren't making a claim. They don't believe in god. They don't have to prove shit. If I don't believe in unicorns, I don't have to convince you that they don't exist.
>>750769313
Hey, stop samefagging nigger!
See
>>750769350
>>750766789
>>750769350
They make a claim every day when they say
"God is imaginary"
and every day they argue with theists about how they are wrong. Atheists indeed are making a claim you numbnuts
>>750767267
>>750762705
THIS
>>750761721
'I'm a Christian but I'm not gonna be an asshole about it...'
'If you're as intelligent and mature as you think you are..'
Even when you Christians try, you just can't come across as anything other than assholes. No video or argument will make what you believe likely or even plausible or anything other than medieval bullshit we should have left far behind us.
Spent my whole life listening to the 'other side' of the story and it amounts to 'believe something with absolutely no evidence or you must be stupid and are going to burn in hell.'
Fucking backwards.
>>750769502
>They make a claim every day
Claiming they are wrong is NOT claiming that god doesn't exist. They are wrong about their methodology. They are wrong about how they arrived at their conclusion. Therefore, there is no reason to believe that a "god" exists. If you said "hey buddy I say a unicorn", it would not make me believe that you saw one and I would say that you were mistaken about seeing one.
>>750769502
>God is imaginary
True, this is badly worded and some atheists do say this, but it's not the majority and it goes against the definition of "atheism".
>>750761721
No video will provide evidence or even a solid argument. With evidence or any kind of proof then it is no longer a faith, but a fact and as such anyone who didn't believe it would be stupid. That is why they ask for your faith. Because there is not, nor will there ever be any evidence to back it up. This goes for all 3000+ gods that have plagued human history, not just the one you think is right because it has been brainwashed into you since birth.
>>750761721
Is that Rod Stewart circa the 1980's?
>>750769663
Hey retard, have you ever considered that your exact argument also applies to atheism?
Look up Godel's Incompleteness Theorems, and you will see why you need an external God to create a universe.
>>750769829
Nicely put.
>>750769822
>just making shit up on the spot
good job anon
keep up the good work
you're doing god's work my man
>>750770057
Excellent retort. Bravo!
>>750769829
Do you have proof that anyone else is a conscious aware being and that you aren't just experiencing a massive elaborate hallucination or dream?
no, you don't do you? You can't prove to anyone else also that you are a conscious being, no one can experience that, we can only assume it is true.
>>750770136
It wasn't a retort, I was congratulating you bro
of all the rocks in the enormous universe it's crazy to think there's a supreme being who cares so much about ours
even if you think there is, the idea that he had a son who wasn't really a son and then had to die for some reason but didn't die and there was also a spirit involved is so incoherent it's hard even to type.
then you have the actual Xn ritual with the cannibalism and the torture device and references to things like "bathing in the blood of the lamb" which is, quite frankly, disturbing.
having said all that, basic human morality (don't steal! don't lie! do nice things!) is perfectly nice whatever wrapper it comes in and there are many Ned Flanderses out there in the West who are nice (as there are, by the way, many nice Muslim Flanderses and Hindu Flanderses and Buddhist Flanderses).
But back to the beginning, God doesn't exist, and if there were a God he wouldn't give a crap about earth much, he'd be the God of radio waves and neutrons and supernovae because that's what mainly goes on.
or the God of algae given that single celled organisms were the only life on earth for 2 billion years and have been here for 6 vs humans, who have only been around for 100k.
we are monkeys living on a rock.
>>750769948
Except atheism is plausible. If I were to claim to be the son of god right now, you would have no less reason to believe me than you do that book.
And 'Hey retard'. Couldn't have proved my point anymore about what a bunch of assholes you lot are. Ridiculous things will always be questioned by intelligent people, and whether you like it or not, your religion is a joke from its very inception plagiarising from gods and prophets written about two thousand years before santa and telling exactly the same story, right up to the unchecked and systrematic abuse of children for centuries by santas representatives on earth.
Just out of curiosity where do you stand on fairies. They are as likely to exist as your god, but I'm assuming you apply some kind of logic to any thoughts on their existence.
And before you start name calling, remember santa is watching and that goes directly against his teachings choirboy.
>>750769663
I am not OP.
But when I create AMA threads as a Christian?
I like too debate what the bible does or does not say.
I don't like to get off in to does God or Christ exist.
It is a debate each of us has to answer for ourselves.
I am saddened when others reject the Bible because of poor translations and traditions.
But then I study the books for my own not to use to thrash others.
The bottom line for those of us with faith.
Is to share the law in simplicity and to be examples to others.
Sadly most of us fall very short as examples and worse fail to admit it.
I don't see Joel Osteen or Benny Hinn as very good Christian examples. I doubt that the Pope who leads the Church that crucified Peter has any real authority. Still too many view these as examples of what Christ taught and desired (Even though they most certainly are not.)
The Golden rule is all; those who try to share should share.
"Love God. Treat all men as brothers do unto them as you would have them do unto you."
May peace be with you.
>>750768120
good point here. once you see how much the imagination can create on acid you can go one of two ways: either believe that's somehow proof that other magic realms actually exist, or realize that it's all in the mind.
>>750761721
Hahaa.
The point of being a "Christian" is to live life by faith, not by evidence. Also, your faith comes from believing the Word. Plus, you need to remember to check Ephesians 5:15-16, basically letting you know not to argue with mankind, so this post is pointless to your faith. Also,that picture of Jesus is fake, Jesus was actually a very dark Jewish man, all pictures of white Jesus were inspired from early traditional art made by Dutch artists depicting what they would want the Messiah to look like, which is why white Jesus has so many Dutch features. Also, faith is a gift from God, you will never able to bring someone to believing in Jesus Christ unless the Father chooses to draw them near, so don't even attempt to "convince" anyone to believe. One more thing, remember you're on the internet, what the hell do you think you're doing bringing your "faith" here?
wtf i love baby jesus now
>>750770137
Well... you're replying to me.. so that will do for now.
You must see the ridiculousness in believing in something just because nothing can be disproved. Really, you must.
'Is there any proof of anything? No. god exists. I rest my case.' Fucking hell, you lot are really reaching to make this shit not seem retarded.
Outside of the Bible that is zero evidence for the existence of Jesus. Nothing in any of the extensive Roman records of the time. Just saying.
>>750770385
Thank you for at least being thoughtful and non judgemental in your response. A trait that is greatly lacking in some it seems, but it is appreciated.
If all the religion offered was a way for people to live peacefully and with love, then I don't think anyone would have an issue with it. However no one can deny it is the biggest bloodstain on humanity through our existence.
Quite simply, there is no good deed that could be done by a christian that could not be done by an atheist, and as such raises the argument that the atheist is doing it purely because it is right and not for the reward of heaven and therefore is even more moral bound than the believer. No one can deny however that history is full of horrors committed by people against people in the name of their faith and still is to this day.
>>750770805
Well the letter J does not occur in the Hebrew language so that is no real surprise.
If you can't even get his name right how do you expect to find evidence of him?
Seek well.
>>750770333
I'm an asshole because I'm on 4chan, not because I believe in God. If anything, I'm less of an asshole because of it, asshole.
>>750771021
Making out like there is evidence of him is completely missing the point of what a faith is supposed to be.
>>750771034
So you only have to apply the teachings of the book you so vehemently believe in when it suits you. Now I understand. I missed all the parables on internet use, sorry. Thanks for educating me like your god commands.
Thank god there are no passages that call it a sin to fuck your sister otherwise you probably would start to question it you fucking hillbilly.
>>750771074
A question was asked about evidence.
I think you missed that point.
>>750771034
This makes absolutely no sense. I think you just outbibled the bible my friend.
>>750771210
>he thinks to believe in God, you must study some goatfucker from 5000 years ago
God commands love, faggot.
>>750771245
So, there is evidence then and it is no longer a matter of faith?
>>750771309
There is evidence that a man called The Christ was crucified by the Romans, The faith is more about if you consider him to have been the Messiah.
>>750771296
And where did we learn about god from? Some goatfucker 5000 years ago I believe. Still waiting for his long awaited follow up, or have I missed something?
Faggot doesn't sound very loving. It's almost like you're upset that you believe something that is so easily dismantled.
>>750766729
we are lightyears of creating AI, since we can't define self-awareness.
>>750771417
>And where did we learn about god from?
Even if there were no modern religion, there would still be people discovering God without the scripture. People learn about God from God.
>>750771410
There is evidence about lots of people that were put to death for many crazy things.
If someone was in the news tomorrow claiming to be the second coming of the messiah, would you believe them, or call them crazy and demand proof?
Yet you don't apply the same logic to some guy 2000 years ago.
>>750761721
>i'm not an asshole, but i'm totally going to force my religion on you
>>750771518
There would still be people inventing god yes. As the have done thousands of times in our history. You happen to have been brought up in one faith and are convinced of it. Doesn't make it any less manmade. Just seems that way to you.
>>750771296
have you even read the bible? God commands to kill your neighbour with stones, if you catch him working on Sunday. So which one is it, love or kill? Or is killing also loving? All the contradictions in the bible should be clear evidence for eveyone, that this book is just a collection of fairy tales from different nations and ages.
>>750771518
Did not realise he did night classes. Gotta sign up. I always thought the bible was supposed to be important in some way.
>>750771800
>Or is killing also loving?
Yes. Are you fucking twelve?
>>750771857
Killing is loving.
This is just getting better and better.
>>750771928
Whatever. You eat meat, faggot.
if I could stand to listen to that voiceover I'd watch it but the little i did see sounded like bogstandard drivel about semantics. "Nothing comes from nothing". Define what you mean by nothing and we'll talk.
>>750762705
Yeah but that's bullshit and stupid. Religious people have 0 evidence to support their claims yet feel as though they sgnould be able to dictate how other people live thier lives based off of the bible. In addition to that the argument you present here would refer to what we call "the god of the gaps" but the Christian God, as claimed by Christians, does things that are logically inconsistent and contradictory. You may be able to atguhe and say "you ccountvant disprove god" but "god" in that context can't refer to the Christian god.
>>750771957
Are you quoting Mark or Luke?
>>750771849
The whole point of Jesus dying on the cross was to create a direct connection between people and God. This is what the symbolism of the temple veil ripping means, that there is to be no separation between man and God. Not scripture, not a temple.
>>750761721
Okay, answer me this:
Providing this story is true; Jesus sent his only son to die for our sins etc etc. The good lord says as part of the 10 commandments, thou shalt not kill. Jesus did for humanities sins, so he had to be murdered, in doing so it should be the soldiers who put him to death that are the saviors, not Jesus!
Case in point, they had to burn in hellfire and brimstone for all eternity for murder, not just any murder, the killing of gods only son...unless he forgave them their sins; but then again if he can do that with them, then he should do it for the rest of humanity.
>>750763235
What? You're full of shit.
>>750771928
Actually this makes sense. AFAIK if you die through violence, according to christian beliefs, you automatically go to heaven. Hence, if you love someone, you kill him/her, because then they go to heaven
>>750772019
Matthew 26
>>750764209
Lool at this stupid fucking nigger thr1eatning people for not beliving in hos specific sky daddu
>>750772088
Right, but because of the "thou shalt not murder" commandment, you should probably do it slowly through some stress-induced activity
>>750772088
So Mussolini is in heaven? I mean we could go through countless bastards in history that have died violently, but that violent death wipes the slate clean and gets them straight into heaven is what we're saying?
>>750772017
English!!
>>750772042
The whole point of Frodo going to Mordor was to destroy the one ring. Doesn't mean it actually fucking happened.
>>750766132
>Not understanding the various views of the holy trinity
And you say you're a Christian.
>>750772257
Great. Don't let Jesus stop you from connecting with God.
>>750772042
Would not the direct connection be him creating a man in his image I.E Jesus
Or god creating man in the first place, how more direct could you be
>>750772313
Like a sort of talk to the organ grinder not the monkey type thing?
>>750771557
Actually I expect a being to show up any time now claiming exactly that. Note I said being and not guy.
The guy 2000 years ago warned us that exactly this thing was going to happen.
And he even said when.
So seeing as how many folks believe in lies and traditions like "Rapture" and "Second coming" I expect most of mankind religious or not to be fooled by the Anti Christ when he is finally cast down among us.
>>750772210
Maybe he is? We can't possibly know, that he didn't sincerely repent before his death and "God" didn't pardon him and let him in heaven. I mean, in Christianity, it's all about asking for forgiveness for your sins, it doesn't even matter how much people you killed during your life, if you truly understand, that you did wrong before you die, you get pardoned.
>>750766760
Where's your proof for such a claim?
>>750772503
Where is your proof it is not?
(((THEY))) ARE BEHIND IT ALL!
Religion was made to halt human progress and divide us and Atheism was made to undermine the morality and cultures of societies when religion lost power in order to further marxism and communism to fully enslave humanity as the (((ELITE))) rule like back in the USSR. DOn't LET THESE REPTILIAN ALIENS WIN!
>>750772467
beliveing in supernatural, instead of actually taking matters in one's own hand, is what is going to kill this world
>>750766882
You should really learn what those words mean if you plan to keep using them. You clearly fail to understand what they mean.
>>750772210
Who is or is not in Heaven is up to God,
nothing you or I do can change that.
Except for ourselves, by doing as God desires.
Love Him and to treat all men as brothers doing unto them as we would have them do unto us.
>>750772653
There is no fucking heaven. Even the marxists working with the Jews know that you bible thumping retard. Buddhism was woke all along, and the elites forced it underground. Once the chakra ship in the Giza pyramid is awakened the sandnigger slab will be activated and the aliens will be driven away from this disk of a world. And we shall forever prosper.
>>750772653
Oh yeah, and John Lennon was one of them Marxists. Along with Karl Marx, Vladimir Lenin (sounds similar to Lennon because he is the same guy), and Joseph Stalin
>>750772555
Oh no the beginning of the end for this World is when we all finally declare Peace Peace Peace.
The prerequisite was that Israel had to once again exist. All that is in place so simply declare peace and try to rebuild the temple and YOU will see the end, in your own lifetime.
>>750772555
Hasn't yet, despite atheists best efforts (i.e atomic bombs, communism, zeka virus)
>>750767301
Theist implies that you prescribe to a religious belief. Agnostic and gnostic describe a person's claim to knowledge. An agnostic atheist for example isn't a religious person and also doesn't claim to know that no could exist, just that they don't see any evidence of one, people in this category often refer to the fact that "the god of the gaps" might exist, just as an example.
>>750772795
>>750772860
You believe as you wish and are free to do so. Go in peace.
>>750772879
You know what's going on. The religious stunted our progress by being unknowing guided by (((them))) while Atheists have deliberately worked with (((them))) to push us closer to the NWO, thank fuck that too many Russians died to actually invade NATO, rest in piss, commies and atheists.
>>750772213
You're a subhuman.
>>750772950
No, one less person redpilled is one less person that can fight for humanity against the legions of the dark matter realm. Once we take Earth we can free the people's of Proxima Centauri when we advance from the implimentation of National Socialism to fight the cult of Xenu. Thank god (((they))) got to this planet before the scientologist traitors tried to enslave us to Xenu's empire.
>>750761721
I am a christian but i don't believe in god.
What do? I don't want to be an atheist.
>>750773214
Make better baits.
>>750773214
Have you tried keeping a prayer journal?
>>750761721
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiMqzN_YSXU
>First 10 seconds - causal argument for God.
>dropped.
Look, I respect and admire Jesus and all, and if anything, wish more Christians were more Christ-like, and have nothing but love for those few that are, but... This tired old argument was defeated in the 11th century, by Christian theologians arguing with one another, no less.
We really need to start teaching philosophy in school again, as this really should be common knowledge. You see so many would-be Christians making the same old tired mistake, and it kinda kills their whole case. I suppose teaching the history of theology in school would at least prevent it, but I guess that'd be a bit more controversial, and I suspect you'd end up with the evangelical kind, rather than the in-depth esoteric stuff.
In anycase, to aid your crusade, or at least to make it look like you actually studied the subject, please research the debates of Thomas Aquinas and Anselm, and other famous Christian philosophers, so you don't repeat the theological mistakes that were resolved nearly a millenia ago, simply because it's a logical trap that you can put any six year old child into that hasn't been taken seriously since the Roman Empire was still a thing, and no one had resolved Xeno's Paradox and Plato's first mover. Otherwise, the only people you are going to turn to God are those that are stupid enough to fall for such tricks, and pretty soon no one with any real knowledge will take your movement seriously. Even if the stupid people outnumber the educated, they'll forever be slaves to their machinations.
A good cause needs smart people - make smart arguments. As a famous Christian theosopher once said, "God did not give us reason, with the intent that we forgo its use."
>>750773185
L. Ron Hubbard did not die for our sins.
>>750773253
It's not bait. I am christian, but i don't believe in god because i think it doesn't make sense. Yet i want to honor my ancestors who died for christianity,so i don't want to turn my back on them and say "hurr durr i am a atheist cuck now".
Religion and Atheism are only distracting us from the true problem. (((Them))).
>Pic definitely related
Listen, I know the solution to the Elite problem and the solution to the impending invasion and subjugation of humanity and the free world. We need to start kidnapping Jew women and expose them in their true forms to create hybrid rape-babies. We keep them for 9 months deliver the hybrids and kill the mothers. Basically pull that shit from the movie "Don't Breathe". These hybrids will be the most powerful things known to man. Like little Giegues. It is our last hope to defeat the global establishment.
>>750773214
you can't be a christian, if you don't believe in Jesus or god. You're an atheist. Honor your ancestors all you want, but you can't force yourself into believing to god
>>750773739
THIS IS HOW WE SAVE HUMANITY, PIC RELATED
>>750761721
My mother is highly educated and has recently chosen to be a christian, but npt a dogmatic one, she just follows the moral understandings and traditions of christianity, which she can explain really well outside of the aspect of "god wants us to", but from the causal, logical, social and realistic perspective, which is how she can convince me to respect and understand her view, yet not demanding me to follow or agree to her view.
So, with this explanation, I hope you can follow my question:
What is your thought about the chance that our universe, anything in existance, and the "harmony" in which our existance works, is merely a result of infinite try-and-error in which we are the only functioning and/or - for us - perceivable outcome?
>>750773739
Stop
This is what Jewish Men look like when not disguised. No need for worry from resistance.
>>750772467
If you are saying you are willing to believe anyone who claims to be the son of god, then that is just some form of mental illness.
>>750773920 Can't silence the truth forever you LIZARD KIKE!
>>750773606
>hurt durr
>atheist cuck
I doubt you even wrote these things with a straight face.
>>750773939
No I am saying the son of God was here and left.
That the next Super Natural being to claim to be the son of god won't be the son and instead will be the deceiver or Anti Christ and he won't be a human so many humans will fall for his lies. I seem far crazier then you may have expected. Still a warning you eventually see is better then one you don't.
>>750774017
The liars who "claim to be the tribe of Judah but do lie and are the Synagogue of Satan" (Revelations 2:9) Are still humans. They are just deceived humans. And I am not one of them so Kike is really not an accurate insult for me.. Maybe.. Some Italian Fag jokes or some such?
The elite have been ruling humanity since the dawn of its conception. Meanwhile you blind cucks are arguing about whether or not your omnipresent dictator is real or not.
>>750774313
>Quoting the bible when I explicitly stated that the bible is a pack of shit invented by elites
>Not realizing Jesus was a Jew
>Not realizing that Christianity and Islam are literally just kissing Jew and God's ass despite only Jews being said to have access to heaven
Retarded dagos, I swear to fucking god.
>>750762705
If you want real evidence for God, just check out the debates of a Dr. William Lane Craig on Youtube.
Actually listen to his arguments, he's probably the smartest guy I've ever seen and has more degrees than hairs on your arm.
Richard Dawkins refused to debate him twice because he "was busy" (lol)
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>>750762705
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anyone arguing after this is a miserable fsg
You all may not heed my warning now but when I stumble upon these sly creatures and reveal their true forms then I shall claim their fertile wombs by divine right, and my god-esque hybrid children will save our world.
>>750774477
>Quoting
So the internet is only free speech for you?
>Not realizing Jesus was a Jew
Half Judah half Levite it is why the High Priests wanted him killed they were not willing to give up their cushy life to follow an upstart half breed messiah.
>Not realizing that Christianity and Islam
Are the teachings and traditions of man that make void the word of God.
I don't follow men in funny hats just a teacher who was willing to die rather then to kill for what he had to say.
>>750774600
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFn0hopqSFw
Lol first 25 seconds and I'm out
>guy admitting in 25 seconds that he can't prove existence of god, but there are good ARGUMENTS for gods existence.
Dawkins has "no time" probably, because it would be a waste of time to argue with this moron.
>>750774600
Again you seem confused about the word "evidence". A debate is _not_ real evidence. It's not even fake evidence. It's no evidence at all. Logical reasoning and arguments are _not_ evidence. Evidence is based on empirical proof.
>>750774765
You literally read half of what I said, you stupid fucking nigger. God damn.
>>750761721
5 minutes into the first video and the guy narrating the video is a retard. He is just rolling out all the usual creationist talking points which have been explained 100s of times but ignored by those that care not to hear. He also rolls out all the retarded creationist points that are just plain wrong, based on (deliberately) misunderstanding science. These arguments all played out on youtube and elsewhere and the creationists ended up running away because every one of their points was shown to be dumb as fuck at least 5 years ago. Choose any one of this guy's talking points and I bet 5 minutes googling can find the reason why he is a retard.
>>750774867
See ya.
>>750762705
>you have no scientific arguments.
Of course you can't prove God scientifically, your mistake is assuming that everything can be explained using science, that's just silly and wrong.
That being said, there actually are very strong arguments for God, checkout the words of William Lane Craig.
Also, science can help point to God via the Big Bang, this is one of Dr. Craig's arguments (Cosmological argument).
We know from the Big Bang that the universe BEGAN to exist at some point in the finite past, and we know from common sense and logic that everything that BEGINS to exist requires a cause. The universe therefore, has a cause, and the cause has to be spaceless, timeless, immaterial, because those things came into being in the Big Bang.
The only 2 things that fit this category are Abstract Objects (numbers), and an Unembodied Mind (God). We know that numbers have no causal power, therefore the only left option is the Mind.
This is just one example of scientific evidence that has a philosophical and theological conclusion. To assume that science itself can show God is silly, because that assumes science is "higher" than God, they're simply not in the same realm. That's why you can't analyze love in a test tube. (inb4 brain reaction, those are REACTIONS to when we feel something called love, it's not love itself).
Do your homework my friend, most people are Atheists for no other reason than fear of being singled out. Don't be a coward, go do you research, and reach your own conclusion.
>>750774815
>Lol first 25 seconds and I'm out
Okay then, suit yourself
I didn't quit when I heard the first 25 seconds of Christopher Hitchens nonsense, but I guess I'm just more open minded than you.
>A debate is _not_ real evidence
No, a debate is where you show evidence. Just like a presentation is where you show scientific theories....
Just sigh... I'm arguing with children. I've said what I've said, those who truly want to seek the truth, will find it. Peace!
>>750774993
haha. William Lane Craig? The guy who ran away from a debate with a soap actor because he showed how all of his arguments were based on falsehoods?
http://www.scottclifton.com/beginning-to-exist-a-critique-of-kalams-first-premise/
You are just wrong. Lane Craig is dishonest and wrong.
>>750775185
I'm not aware of WLC ever running from a debate, show proof right now
>>750775133
He literally admitted he can't prove existence of god, why the fuck would I watch this longer, if the whole debate was about your claim he can prove existence of god?
>>750775133
so did he present evidence during the debate or not?
>>750774993
WLC has admitted that the drowning of children during the flood of Noah was a good thing. Fuck Craig and fuck you for holding him in any regard.
>>750761721
why do you think your god is the right one?
aren't all religion branched off from each other?
>>750775285
Then why are you an Atheist if you can't prove God does not exist? You should be agnostic.
Since I know how predictable you are, yes you can easily prove a negative, and yes Atheists have a burden of proof since they make a claim to knowledge (God does NOT exist) but Agnostics simply claim ignorance which does not require proof or evidence.
There are plenty of things in the world we believe based on EVIDENCE, and not PROOF.
I'm not here to encourage you to be open minded, but if you really think your smarter than someone with 2 PhD's and a Doctorate in Philosophy and Theology who is highly respected by Academia, then suit yourself.
I'm done schooling children.
>>750775337
Yes, in fact he's been pretty much using the same arguments for a long time and no Atheist has been able to refute them. Cosmological argument, moral argument, fine tuning argument, etc... there's 6 of them I think.
Hitchens got embarrassed in a debate with WLC (Saying, red faced, "Is my mic on?" while trembling and sweating) and Richard Dawkins refused to debate with a lame excuse, twice.
Even Sam Harris was told to "please don't let us down" in his debate, and got absolutely rekt.
Just be open minded and listen, don't be a sheep.
>>750775382
God as the author of life, can take life also, I see no problem here. It's humans who cannot take life, because it's not theirs in the first place to take, it would be murder.
Think about things logically, not emotionally, in some cases it can save your life.
>>750775255
WLC and Scott Clifton (acts in some American day time soap but a philosophy major too) had a back and forth in articles on websites years ago. WLC just started ignoring Clifton when he pointed out how Craig was dishonestly cherry picking and twisting his words and would not address any of his points showing how his Kalam argument was nonsense. Don't know where this happened now or how to link to it but Clifton talks about it on his youtube channel in the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGlgYExLOo
>>750775456
Not him, but taking you seriously and assuming everything you said is correct, why have there even been any religious people other than Christians if everything you've said is true?
>>750774815
>can the existence of god be demonstrated
Depends on whether or not god exists. IF he does, THEN he can demonstrate it. He's supposedly done it repeatedly according to the Bible. IF god either doesn't exist or doesn't want to demonstrate his existence, THEN god's existence cannot be demonstrated.
From this we can assume that god either does not exist or does not want to be demonstrated because literally the biggest problems in the world today could be solved simply by god verifying his existence and validating whichever of the myriad faiths currently in practice is correct. Ergo god either does not exist or (for whatever reason) is perfectly okay with people not believing he exists (as well as killing each other en masse over whose description of him is most accurate). Continuing the assumption that god exists, we must therefore conclude that the various sects of his religions as well as all the various other religions in existence (both present and past) are in some way in compliance with the divine plan. God, for whatever reason, must *want* atheists, hindus, muslims, catholics, buddhists, Odinists, taoists, wiccans, etc to exist. It is, by definition, impossible for anything contrary to the will of an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent being to either exist or occur. The general consensus is that god wants everyone to be a christian, but if that were true then everyone would be a christian. God cannot fail to provide adequate proof. God cannot fail to make a convincing argument. God cannot fail to find/create a scribe to accurately relay his message. God cannot fail *at all*. The absence of overwhelming proof, the contradictions in the message, the errata from denomination to denominationi, MUST be intentional for the purpose of NOT causing everyone to be christian.
And so I ask you:
If god wants me to be an atheist, who am I to argue with the divine plan?
>>750767186
mate don't be a fuckwit jesus would dump his folder ezpz
>>750775616
>thinking argument is proof
Ok I'm done, this is just a waste of time here.
>>750775656
Lol most probably what happened is this guy Scott (whoever he is) just didn't understand that his refutations are garbage, and WLC gave up trying to argue with a fool.
I've seen it happen plenty of times, don't just believe it because some nobody is crying on Youtube that a highly respected academic with more credentials than this guys brain cells says something. You're smarter than that.
Listen, think, analyze, be open minded, then decide. Don't let some nobody with a webcam on Youtube tell you otherwise. I know why you do believe him though, because you've already made up your mind that WLC is wrong, and are looking for people to validate that, but what you SHOULD be doing is thinking about WLC's arguments yourself.
>>750775664
Why not? I don't see any connection here. Not only is there Satan and his minions deceiving people, but people themselves often don't want to hear the truth and look for myths, some start cults, end up killing themselves and others (Jonestown, etc..)
Also, God sees the world different than us. For you, some rock falling on someone and killing them can seem senseless, but because of that, kingdoms could arise hundreds of years later, it's called the butterfly effect.
We are in no position to decide how God ought to do things, given we are so shortsighted.
>>750775456
lol, christians are making a claim that god exists, atheists are asking for proof of existence, try to make a difference.
>>750775456
>Then why are you an Atheist if you can't prove God does not exist? You should be agnostic.
Atheism is a reject of theism. No more, no less. I don't believe in a God based on a lack of evidence thereof, though will happily adjust my standpoint if such evidence comes to light. However even then I will still reject all theisms as they are made by humans to control other humans and/or quiet their fear of the unknown.
>>750766509
I have read some stupid shit on the internet, but this... this takes the cake.
>>750775977
>>750776037
Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy
“Atheism” is typically defined in terms of “theism”. Theism, in turn, is best understood as a proposition—something that is either true or false. It is often defined as “the belief that God exists”, but here “belief” means “something believed”. It refers to the propositional content of belief, not to the attitude or psychological state of believing. This is why it makes sense to say that theism is true or false and to argue for or against theism. If, however, “atheism” is defined in terms of theism and theism is the proposition that God exists and not the psychological condition of believing that there is a God, then it follows that atheism is not the absence of the psychological condition of believing that God exists (more on this below). The “a-” in “atheism” must be understood as negation instead of absence, as “not” instead of “without”. Therefore, in philosophy at least, atheism should be construed as the proposition that God does not exist (or, more broadly, the proposition that there are no gods).
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/atheism-agnosticism/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcRXYSdYVOc
>>750775946
No, he showed that Craigs arguments are based on unfounded claims. He showed that Craig was exceptionally dishonest in his counter arguments against. Craig cherry picked his argument and argued against strawmen. (A high crime for a philosopher) He was conclusively shown to be exceptionally intellectually dishonest and ran away from the debate, knowing that his audience did not care about the truth of the matter but point scoring. Craig has even since deleted all his articles about this matter.
http://www.scottclifton.com/beginning-to-exist-a-critique-of-kalams-first-premise/
here is a summary of Clifton's argument. Watch the video I linked. The guy describes in great detail how dishonest Craig is in his arguments.
>>750775946
>Why not? I don't see any connection here. Not only is there Satan and his minions deceiving people, but people themselves often don't want to hear the truth and look for myths, some start cults, end up killing themselves and others (Jonestown, etc..)
This is satire, right?
>>750776633
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y-j7CFfDvHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hVWBt8bfmCs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sR8rlTIU8_Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXDGE_lRI0E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PlZGRydoUpQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbdJXKqVgtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPrK3FP9Yrs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s7ZJ5D5q54g
>>750776774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7CnLIXuEGU
>>750776774
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kP5O_NUhrK0
>>750776726
that's a christian brain in work. Satire for normal people, reality for them
>>750766789
why is it so hard for people to draw a fucking swastika
>>750778215
It's not that drawing a swastika is hard, it's that the people who usually want to draw swastikas are stupid.
>>750761721
>How to be saved
if it was that easy, we wouldn't have this existential crisis
>>750761721
Dude i'm a christian but don't try and prove god with science, its just embarrassingly laughable. Believe in god because of the value and purpose it gives to your life and recognise how modern civilization was built on religious (mainly christian) morals and principles
>>750761721
Don't try to appeal to someone's intellect to persuade them of a religious belief. Belief is belief precisely because it can't be rationalized or scientifically proven. Trying to prove religious beliefs with science is contrary to the scientific method because you're starting with a belief that you want to find evidence for. That's not how science works.
>>750761721
Why do Christians think all Atheists came to our understanding without having weighed both sides? I know there are a lot of fashion Atheists out there, but that isn't all of us, just as I don't automatically assume you as a Christian would stand outside a funeral and hold signs that read "God hates fags", or "Thank God for dead soldiers." Lumping everyone together makes you a biggot.
>>750765871
Only idiots think like this
>>750774993
>Of course you can't prove God scientifically, your mistake is assuming that everything can be explained using science, that's just silly and wrong.
I think this line of thinking is entirely a failure of imagination. Every year the list of "things that are beyond science" gets shorter and shorter.
>>750765897
Reading comprehension seems to elude you often, doesn't young one?
