The 2nd Amendment should be repealed.
The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to guarantee the people a means and a way to defend themselves from the government. Following me so far?
Today, people use the 2nd Amendment as a means to obtain a firearm. The intent of people today obtaining firearms is not to protect themselves against the government. It is to protect (or attack?) each other. (On a side note, no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets.)
Because the 2nd Amendment no longer is used as intended and would not in its today form belong in the original Constitution, it should be erased altogther and guns should be taken away from the American people.
>>748233368
Shitty troll attempt. Too bad you worked so long on this post.
So what you are saying is that we all need fighter jets
>>748233368
>no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets.
Cloudy days and bridges.
/thread
>>748233368
slide/bait thread
>>748233368
>>748233677
>sliding threads on /b/
>>748233368
What makes you so sure that the army that owns those fighter jets are going to be on the side of any potential 'rogue' government?
Ever spoken to an army-fag? Ask them exactly what it would take for them turn on US civies on mass.
"the government asked us to wipe out new york johnson! lets go!...
'Err.. sir isnt your entire family in new york?'
'yeah what of it, mindlessly obey orders son!'
>>748233368
Nice try rocket man
>>748233368
>people use the 2nd Amendment as a means to obtain a firearm
>The intent of people today obtaining firearms... is to protect (or attack?) each other
>no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war
>fighter jets
>the 2nd Amendment no longer is used as intended
>would not in its today form belong in the original Constitution
You don't know what you're talking about.
>>748233368
>guns should be taken away from the American people.
No. Never.
>>748233368
fuck off ye cunt
>>748233368
Faggot some states do not have national guard units and actually have militia
>>748233368
>It is to protect(or attack?) each other
I hate the kind of shity weak arguments you use, in some states gun violence is almost non-existen but is not a coincidence they are the most thugh states in obtaining a weapon. However I disagree with you liberals, every american has to have to ability in order to protect themselves and their families from any intruder and no minorities actions have to have effect on this right the american people has
>>748233368
fuck off liberal
go and be a cuck to a nigger or somethin
>>748233368
>>748233368
>(On a side note, no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets.)
update the second amendment to guarantee the right to surface to air anti air missiles and fighter interceptors.
solved
First, I'd like OP to explain how you repeal a Right that exists as a result of our being Human and that the 2nd merely acknowledges that fact.
This is why there was a disagreement about there being a Bill of Rights in the first place. Many thought that it would be misconstrued as it granting those rights while other feared that it would be taken to mean that only those rights mentioned existed. Looks like both positions had legitimate concerns.
>>748233368
>>748233368
Ah yes government using fighter jets on their own civilians
>we need to get our own fighter jets
>>748233368
People keep forgetting this important fact:
Niggers exist
Guns are for one thing, and one thing only: nigger deterrent
>>748233368
Itt: OP learns what inalienable means.
Guns just for hunting, sports and self defence. A regular citizen doesn't need an ak-47 or a m16.
The second amendment wasn't originally intended to defend against tyrany. It was originally intended to allow the exist of slave patrols.
But i don't think that original intent is very important. The first amendment probably didn't mean freedom of expression in all forms. We added that meaning later, and i'd call that a good change.
I think the basis of repealing the 2nd amendment is just a practical consideration. Wielding a gun is not an important fundamental freedom. It's just a tool. It's not an action, or a relationship between people. It would be like having a clause in the constitution about the right to own cars. Having a car is nice, and i'd hate to lose it, but it's not some kind of fundamental freedom.
There is something important i want you to consider though. It isn't crucial that this decision be supported by a majority of americans. When we gave black people equal rights, or women the right to vote, it wasn't a majority of americans who wanted it. We did it anyway because it was decided to be the right thing to do.
The question is, is it the right thing to do?
>>748235289
>almost non-existent
yeah sure, in comparison to the rest of your states. Not to the world. We get it, you think they look cool, thats your only argument
>>748237609
well said
>>748233368
That's a poor argument. You base it completely on the trust that the Government isn't a threat when unchecked. The sole purpose of the 2nd Amendment is as a pacifier for the people, for their peace of mind that they'll never again be ruled with tyranny as they were in England, also in proxy as colonies of a crown. To be completely frank, we should have access to fully-automatic weapons but herein lies the problem for the current age...we are NOT responsible enough to have them. However, neither is our government as they are no less ignorant than we. We are at an impasse because we DO in fact need protection from saboteurs of other countries, that would seek to destroy our way of life. The reason people are reluctant to forgo the 2nd Amendment is because the government isn't protecting the nation's interest of security from other nations. As a matter of fact, we're being TOLD to be sensitive to their opinions, religions and so forth, while our own lives get corrupted by their influence. Rap and blacks that live shameful lives are one such example of the encroachment on American culture. Think about it...before rap went mainstream, you could leave your doors unlocked without fear of intrusion by gunmen. You can trace the uptick in gun-related killings back to that very year, fucking try it.
>>748237609
If you don't even know what the Amendment states explicitly, then don't even comment. You are a complete idiot.
>>748233521
This
>>748236999
>checked
This
>>748238139
No need to be hostile.
>>748233368
>The intent of people today obtaining firearms is not to protect themselves against the government.
you have no idea what your saying
its not about the individual its about the concept of knowing how many guns are out there
do people not realise your allowed to buy tanks and jets if you can afford it ?
and there more jets in civilian hands than military
>>748233368
Go back to /reddit/ you colossal cuckfag.
>>748238340
Sorry...forgot to check my privilege before I opened my browser.
>>748237609
>We did it anyway because it was decided to be the right thing to do.
If a majority didn't decide it, then who decided it was the right thing to do? Do you not understand how this is a slippery slope that sets a dangerous precedent? Who am I kidding, this is a bait thread and you're just a fucking idiot.
>>748237559
Have you actually READ the 2nd amendment?
>>748233368
>no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war
eh, did you forget burgerland got destroyed by rice farmers?
>>748233368
>>748237609
Maybe we should be repealing the First Amendment instead...
>>748233368
>no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets
two things here
1. this was the argument when american farmers were rising up against the armies of britain
2. this is why we should have the right to own fighter jets
>>748238553
Yes, it is dangerous when a minority of people decide the laws for a majority of people.
Although, slippery slope, i don't think so. We've done it before, and we currently rightfully are very reluctant to do it - we try to only pass laws when it's a majority of people who want it. If it was going to be a slippery slope, then it should be easier now since we've done it before.
But you are right to be very concerned when we consider doing something that is not democratically supported.
>>748238438
First part is true, last part is false. As a former military serviceman who was privy to that info, you are dead wrong on that last bit brother. Jetliners don't count, they're too unwieldy to be anything more than a target for SAMS. Also the same reason 9/11 was a sham.
>>748237609
>right to own cars
The right to travel is covered under the right to assemble in the 1st amendment. The state moy not deny you the right to travel in any manner you wish with a privately owned conveyance (assuming you do so in a safe manner). Thus, you have the right to own a car.
>>748233368
Just because there is a law that states that you can't have a firearm won't stop criminals from getting firearms. All it will do is take away firearms from law-abiding citizens. So making firearms illegal will give criminals the upper hand and taking away our way of defending ourselves.
In other words, fuck off libtard
>>748233548
>>748237710
I actually got arguments for you but again, this is a thread for americans only not all you world normie inferior fags
>stfunigger.jpg
>>748236832
How does being human give us a right to owning a gun? I too, am human and do not feel that I have a right to own a gun.
>>748238767
You do have to register it though. Not the same Anon here but I think gun registration has it's merits, at the same time I also think it'd be bullshit because the government would then be due a tax on said firearms, same as an automobile. Fuggin garbage.
>>748238948
Don't own one then, THAT is your right, the choice.
>>748238340
There is an absolute need to be hostile. You're attmpting to infringe upon my rights. I consider that a hostile act tantamount to issuing a threat against my life.
>>748233548
>Americans have a fraction of the grit the Vietcong had.
>>748233368
Shoot yourself you pathetic excuse for a man
>>748233368
>they have fighter jets lets bend over backwards instead
>>748233368
You're a retarded faggot
>>748239116
What a stupid argument
Please don't ban guns, it provides the rest of the world with solid entertainment watching Americans kill eachother by the thousands every month.
>>748237609
>Letting people defending themselves from armed intruders= no fundamental freedom
are you retard?
>>748239076
Simmer down, Jethro. He didn't mean it. Show me on the snowflake where Anon-kun hurt you...
>>748239176
True story though
>>748233368
jim jeffries
just saying
I'm not saying take away guns, but people should definitely be put in check. The Las Vegas shooter bought thousands of rounds of ammo in the span of a year and he went unnoticed, but if you're not a farmer and you buy fertilizer and diesel in bulk, you may very well end up with the feds at your door. (Bomb)I'm saying there needs to be more control, more information. Is that so bad?
>>748239209
>Calling someone a snowflake
>Being scared of guns
Top kek to u good sir
>>748233368
OP is 14 at best.
A few fighter jets against 10 million rebels? Good luck with that.
>>748236999
nice quads
>>748239076
I didn't answer whether we ought to repeal the second amendment. I just explained some factors surrounding the decision.
Personally, just based on what i'd like, i'd prefer to repeal the second amendment. But based on what i think represents the desires of all americans, i would not repeal the 2nd amendment. It's not just about what i want. But i would regulate guns. And if necessary, pass an amendment which alters the 2nd amendment to make it clear that guns can be regulated. Antonin scalia said that you can regulate guns already, but i think a clarifying amendment wouldn't go amiss.
>>748236904
Fake news.
>>748239366
he checks the quads with the trips
>>748239268
How is that a true story you argument has nothing to stand on. It's just an opinion. You'd never know how much grit anybody has in a situation that hasn't happened yet until that situation happens.
>>748239007
Nope. Not required for a private automobile used ONLY for traveling. "Driving" is a commercial activity and is regulated by the government. You can install "private vehicle - not for hire" plates and travel without a driver's license even. You don't need to register, IM, obtain plates, tags or a driver's license or any other state-regulatory activities in order to own or drive an automobile.
>>748239310
Spotted the virgin or the guy thats been dominated by a female
>>748233368
>The intent of people today obtaining firearms is not to protect themselves against the government.
This was exactly my intent in purchasing my firearm
>>748233368
that's one of the stupidest things i have ever read.
>>748239176
Americans are honestly worthless in crisis's though. And thats just americans, not even focusing on the current generation of women(gay men) you bred
>>748239191
not american? get out of here you jealous bastard go back to your own thread
>>748238948
You have the right to defend yourself. That includes the right to use any and all weapons at your disposal to do so.
>>748239287
You're fighting a losing battle, Anon. Despite that the Vegas shooter used a bump stock, I could accomplish the same action with a handful of rubber bands. A bump stock is just convenient for a noob auto, you can't stop engineering and limit ammo sales.
>>748239435
>I don't need a license to drive.
This guy is an idiot. I can tell, I'm an expert.
>>748233368
Consider the following dumbass
>>748239176
He's right though. It's why we lost that war.
>>748239468
That's what u call projection, u should see a psychologist
>>748233971
So your argument is that we need guns to defend ourselves from an army that would never attack us in the first place?
>>748239550
Ya that guy is def a faggot
>>748233368
LUL faggot , the only thing stopping you americucks from transforming into fucking sweeden, in canada's footsteps, is the fucking 2nd amendment.
KYS faggot.
>>748239209
Then he shouldn't fucking say it. And fuck you for defending his cowardly ass.
>>748238748
> Also the same reason 9/11 was a sham.
just proved your lying
>>748239076
>these are the kind of illiterate psychos that cry unless they have a gun
Why not just get a sensible hobby or read a book?
>>748239584
Except the fear that anyone they meet could be packin' is why they keep shooting people.
>>748238948
"A free people [claim] their rights as derived from the laws of nature, and not as the gift of their chief magistrate." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of British America
>>748239076
>You're attmpting to infringe upon my rights.
No, we're having a discussion on the internet. Nobody is attempting anything. If you can't even muster up enough self-control to not attack people who are merely trying to make a logical argument, maybe you should not own deadly weapons.
>>748239340
You're a fool. Talking about a military that has billions and billions spent on it every year. The drones, tanks, fighter jets, attack ships, land vehicles the satellites, the missiles, y'all would be fucked.
>>748239635
"I say projection" as if your ass isn't projecting your own shitty opinions here. Go fuck yourself you RETARDED ass faggot.
>>748239435
Yes, it is dumbass. You pay annual tax on your vehicle every single year you go renew your registration, if you aren't you're driving illegally. This is in the US mind you, if you're elsewhere fuck off the thread because it's like this in every single state, Alaska and Hawai'i too.
>>748239377
Do it and be prepared for cvil war the likes of which the new world has never seen.
If OP wouldn't be such a faggot he would see that
> FREEDOM >>> safety
>>748233368
no it shouldn't be. and no it won't be. so nothing said in this thread even matters. none of this dumb fucking thread matters. kek!
>>748238553
No offence but i dont trust any of you fucking cucks to make decisions for me, i would be way more comfortable with 1 dickhead doing everything and getting canned when he fucks the boat over letting an entire country of fat retards decide for me
Luckily i live in a first world country so just regular retards for me
>>748239397
Prove it.
>>748233368
>Argument is that they have jets
Manage to take most air bases, airports and most places they could refuel and rearm and see how long their jets I'll last... Also, unless they bomb entire cities, how the fuck would they be usefull against urban threats...
>>748239644
>the only thing
Does Canada have a de facto theocratic government?
Does Canada have a broken, for-profit healthcare system?
Does Canada have mass shootings every week?
>>748239603
It's still irrelevant. The 2nd amendment isn't based on how many wars we've won and whether or not we've got enough "grit". Who the hell decided that?
>>748238948
Each one to his own capacitites, here in the us we got alot of crazy people, willing to get into your house and kill you, in other countries you just give up and are just open to the worst to happen is not our problem
conclusion:
I feel the necesity to protect myself and family from anyone and anything
>>748239811
The government has already greatly curtailed our freedoms and increased it's tyranny since 9/11, and our gun nut defenders of the constitution did not do anything to stop them.
What makes you think this will trigger the war when those things did not?
>>748239812
Without safety, we have no ability to carry on meaningful conversations and improve ourselves. Actual freedom comes with caveats because we live in a deterministic universe.
>>748233368
you're triggering many schizophrenic rednecks right now OP
good work
>>748239766
chill out man, take a nap or something, snowflake.
>>748239603
Well tbh we really didn't care about prosecuting some imperial war in some shithole. We still don't. That's why the lies about WMD's for the Iraq War that were used to make it seem like some sort of existential war. Afghanistan was out-and-out payback, though once we weren't mad anymore we didn't care about that either.
>>748239674
K bro. Don't really care but our military isn't so stupid as to "allow" an obvious commercial jet to plow through several buildings. I was in it, I know what the procedure entails for a skyjacking.
>>748239550
Nope. Just because you get one doesn't mean you need to have one. If you drive for work or other commercial purpose, then yes you need one. The state will do it's best to try to convince you otherwise, but it just ain't so.
>>748239648
Not defending, was makin a funny
>>748238139
What does that have to do with his argument?
>>748234267
Dissonance
>>748240069
>Afghanistan was out-and-out payback
"This will show those dead Saudi Arabians who is boss!"
This argument is obsolete considering the US isn't so far off from capitulating, revolting, or simply getting fuckin nuked
>>748233368
Go back to /pol/ fag
You're shitposting in the wrong neigh-board-hood.
>>748240117
The fact he isn't presenting one? Nigger isn't even at the starting line with the rest of us.
>>748239648
>cowardly
Aren't you the one who can't get by without having a gun? It seems like you are the coward here.
>>748240235
t. fat third worlder
>>748240235
Anger and hostility interfere with reasoned debate. We're all better off if we approach this question without it.
>>748239912
stfu nigger
>>748239406
he checks the trips of the quads of the checks with the dubs checked
>>748240416
checked
>>748240384
Don't bother man, America is literally born of anger and hostility, shit i'd even put money on columbus calling someone a cunt before he got on the boat
>>748239435
Surely this question has seen a court somewhere, and you're not just making shit up?
>/b/
oh nm
>>748239584
This is fantasism.
>the government does not want to kill all of its people
"I'll pay half my workers to kill the other half."
>and blow up its own infrastructure
>implying they don't have their own infrastructure unconnected to the civilian infrastructure
>implying they don't do exactly this on a regular basis to any country who doesn't submit to the Rothschild jew
Perhaps someone really thinks that the US government intends to preserve the middle class and wouldn't be glad to mow it down to become the next North Korea.
>no matter how many police you have on the ground they will always be vastly outnumbered
First, hi, 1033 program? Second, someone is completely ignoring the probability that any of the tyrannical states that the US is buddy-buddy with, or even just someone who wants their denbts paid, won't send over a company or twelve.
>the police are out numbered and face the reality of bullets coming back at them
The government has bombed niggers for less. Look up the MOVE commune and understand what you're in for when, not if, the government decides you are expendable.
>>748240385
Kill yourself, jew.
>>748240149
Misdirected or not it was still thought of as payback.
>>748239698
well, considering that I've been reading on a college level since I was 10 and have read thoushands of books, I'd say I have that covered. I have a number of hobbies including writing, playing the ukulele and growing my own pot.
None of that ameliorates my rage when some half-wit expresses a desire to render me largely defenseless against aggressors great and small.
Now, you toddle your faggoty, hipstery, know-nothing, punk ass out the door and back to the shit-eating subreddit you came from.
>>748233368
>The 2nd Amendment should be repealed.
nope
>The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to guarantee the people a means and a way to defend themselves from the government. Following me so far?
this is correct and the reason it shouldn't be repealed
>Today, people use the 2nd Amendment as a means to obtain a firearm. The intent of people today obtaining firearms is not to protect themselves against the government. It is to protect (or attack?) each other. (On a side note, no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets.)
what people do with it now does not matter and sure the government has fighter jets, tanks and aircraft carriers and shit but that doesn't didn't seem to matter to the vietnamese or the muslim terrorists. also im sure in the event of a wide scale rebellion some amount of the military would go awol and take some equipment with them, even if this didn't happen the military is vastly outnumbered by armed civilians who would be able to take over a vast majority of the logistics.
>Because the 2nd Amendment no longer is used as intended and would not in its today form belong in the original Constitution, it should be erased altogther and guns should be taken away from the American people.
nope
>>748240438
he just took whatever cunt he wanted then threw it overboard when he got tired of it
>>748240085
You need to stop watching sovereign citizen videos my man. This has failed so many times in court.
>>748240567
Right. I'm pointing out how useless "payback" is.
>>748240438
I don't mind failing. It's odd on /b/ for there to be a person who doesn't get irritated, and continues to be reasonable, despite hostility aimed at them. I figure that it's odd enough that it causes some people who view it, to take a moment to consider being serious and give up their anger. But for the rest who will not be impeded, i don't mind failing.
>>748233368
The removal of legal firearms in the US will do nothing but make the black market even more lucrative and likely increase crime rates.
Some of the areas with the most strict gun laws have the highest crime rates, definitely not a coincidence
If you were a criminal would you rather break into a house thats known not to have any weapons or one that's known to be well armed?
>>748240011
dubdubs speak truth
This whole muh tyranny thing is just a shitty myth. Deep down they know they're armed solely by the grace of the oligarchs whom they will be pressed to defend in case shit goes down.
>>748240071
Does the procedure also apply when a drill exercise happens to be running at that very moment? Funny, isn't it, how "exercises" seem to coincide so closely with "events" isn't it?
>>748233368
So assemble a constitutional convention and vote to repeal. Not that hard.
There are legal mechanisms in place for this. If you want it, go try to make it happen.
Just don't be surprised if you fail.
>>748239731
>attack people
SJW who is unable to distinguish the difference between non-threatening words and physical abuse detected.
>make a logical argument
There is no logical argument that supports gun control.
>deadly weapons.
There are no deadly weapons kid; only deadly people.
>>748239736
see
>>748239584
pic related
>>748239076
>You're attmpting to infringe upon my rights. I consider that a hostile act tantamount to issuing a threat against my life.
That's psychotic, mate. That makes you expendable.
>>748240438
You know those Japanese soldiers that never got the memo that WWII was over? Thus with Americans and the age of empire.
>>748240655
I mean i obviously am on your side but i still came in anyway cause 1 its funny to watch retards argue about anything but 2 you and some others actually made some pretty good points on top of the obvious already really good points. Don't understand people who dont seek to be more educated with each day. Would prefer to just take their own opinion as gospel, as if its a victory or something
Keep fighting the good fight i suppose, but as far as im concerned the 'good' america has been dead for a long time
>>748240870
The absolute state of American mental health, everyone
At your base where you say meant to protect you against the government some might consider that where it gives the right to fighter jets nukes
>>748239808
Just because you CHOOSE to pay, that does not mean that you are legally required to pay.
>>748240235
He did make an argument, though. Not a good one, but still more of one than you have. I was am still am kind of high when I read his post. "What the amendment explicitly states" has nothing to do with his argument. That being said, its tardy to take guns awayfrom people, and those who try are likely to get shot.
>>748240479
>fantasism
>i'll pay half my workers to kill the other half
this dude is a complete retard
why didn't you assist two weeks ago to route 91 harvest is a country music festival?
>>748240367
>>748240384
>>748240438
>>748240655
This is pitiful, if this much is enough to get under your skin, then I'm hard-pressed to believe you've debated anyone. You're probably been a fuckin "yes man" your whole life, piss on your insecurity.
>>748240684
If gun manufacture in america were illegal. It's not really doable to manufacture weapons in your garage. Using equipment you can put in your home, you can build simple weapons, but nothing automatic. And not in great quantities.
Additionally, moving an enterprise to the black market makes the product significantly more expensive, which would decrease the number of people who would be willing to buy weapons, even for criminals, who intend to make money from their activities.
>>748240759
You've got the gist of it.
I know this is a troll post, but:
An armed civilian population ensures that trying to take over the people by force will not be worth the trouble.
You can't have a hostile takeover in the United States. An armed civilian population ensures that any government that becomes tyrannical to the degree that it would rain bombs from fighter jets would encounter a level of resistance that would draw the attention of NATO. If the government tried to take the control, or at least the illusion of control, away from its people, all of NATO would be over here double quick to help us against our own government.
>>748241082
>if gun manufacturers were illegal
Because heroin and cocaine are made in America too, right?
>>748241022
Enjoy getting arrested for not proving license and registration next time you get pulled over then.
>>748240920
Maybe americans didnt get the memo that we live in the digital age or even that it just straight up isnt 1800 anymore
>>748240870
>there is no logical argument that supports gun control
>less retards are free to buy guns
>less retards with guns
>less retards police have to waste time with vs looking for the source of black market gun trades (imagine trying to drink water that is constantly being poured to a different glass, and then refilled when you drink that glass)
Alternatively:
>The amount of retards stay the same, the calibre of weapon decreases
>the danger decreases
I mean honestly do you have any inch of data analysis capability? protip: change 1 thing and observe how the others would react. Not hard. Of course i have child-ified the arguments so feel free to pick it apart rather than try seeing from this point of view and expanding upon it
>>748241078
I'm not telling people to not be hostile because i want to be free from attack. You can attack me all you want. I understand that's fun. I am telling people to not be hostile because it interferes with debate. You are less likely to convince me of your position if you're insulting. And i am less likely to provide a counterpoint that you'll take seriously if you're insulting. And anger makes everyone, on all sides, less willing to really listen.
>>748241078
as responses number 1-3, i gotta agree i aint debated no one, i came here to laugh at uncivilised fatty cry about his shit country but then be in denial about his country not being a superpower like he think it be like
>>748241029
No, son. There was never an argument, all he's doing is shilling nonsensical bullshit.
>>748241228
Import would still be an issue, yes. But the goal here would not be the elimination of guns in america, just reduction.
We don't have murder laws because we think they'll eliminate murder. We are just trying to disincentivize it.
>>748241022
You're wrong. But I'm going to entertain this.
What happens when you run a red light? When you drive on the wrong side of the road? How come those laws apply to you but not the drivers license part?
>>748240011
Because then there will be no recourse. Without weapons and the means to easily acquire them, there will be no hope of throwing off an oppressor.
Up until that point, there are recourses to violence and despite what gun-grabbers claim, most of us are NOT violent psychhopaths. Most of us WANT to resolve things non-violently.
But make it criminal to own weapons that MIGHT be able to defend ourselves against tyranny? War WILL come and blood will flow in the streets. The Civil War of the 1860's will be a schoolyard brawl by comparison. No quarter and no off-limits targets will be the order of the day. You can thatn The Feds and General Sherman for that lesson.
>>748241078
>>748241395
I meant 1/3 btw, its obvious but thought i'd clarify just in case, dont want 4chan icon anon being accused of samefaggotry or whatever, would detract from the discussion
>>748241082
Hey man, let me tell you about this little country called Poland.
They were occupied from 1939 to 1945 by Nazi Germany and during that time developed a robust cottage weapon industry. They built submachine guns, anti tank rifles, and home made bombs in the cellars and sheds of rural homes, distributed them to fighters, and saw them used against the Germans.
Your average machinist can build you a semi auto rifle no problem, and with the internet, it's d even easier.
The genie is out of the bottle.
>>748241208
dont even think about it, our armies, police, marines, etc have families too, do you think they will just do their job while knowing their family is being massacred by the same team they are working for? it's ridiculous
>>748241453
You do know that if we became a tyranny, foreign countries could intervene on our behalf. We've done that for others. We're considering doing that currently for other countries.
>>748241538
>living in a dictatorship = living in america
You said it, not me fatso
>>748241022
Well, I mean physically you aren't bounded by natures laws to pay. But you'll have your vehicle towed, you'll be cited and have to pay to get your vehicle released and go to court or else you get a warrant issued and you go to jail.
But I mean you're not required to pay, you could opt for the aforementioned if you want.
>>748241350
My position was stated here >>748237880 and there's zero room for debate on it. If you would like I can read the Amendment to you verbatim but I think you're capable of finding it on the internet yourself.
>>748240252
Spken like a man who has never been in a fight, much less spent any time learning about what a fight does to a person. It's pretty fucking easy to beat a man to death fom ambush. Zimmerman proved that it's not nearly as easy to beat a man armed with a pistol to death from ambush.
I called him cowardly because he would rather all of us be slaves that himself be required to act as a free man and face the dangers inherent in that.
>>748241538
They were making weapons to fight an existential war against clear and obvious oppressors.
If we were in that position, that kind of thing would indeed motivate people to mass manufacture weapons illegally. But until we get to that, it would just be people wanting to make weapons to make money. And that's not nearly as strong a motivator as freedom.
>>748241317
The entire argument against your bullshit is that you should not restrict the human rights of citizens because one citizen does a bad thing.
Imagine if we decided to restrict your 1st amendment rights because your neighbor said nigger on facebook? Pretty fucked up right? You don't deserve that right?
Well there you go.
>>748233368
All this "hurr, I'm a patriot so I'll overthrow the government" shit is just an NRA sponsored fantasy for dumb faggots. If you read Federalist 29 and 46, the 2nd amend. was just a response to anti-federalist fears of a federal standing army. The idea was to make the individual states militarily stronger than the federal government, and that the militas would come together if the country was invaded by a foreign power. However the idea also was always that state officials would regulate and control the militias, not that niggers and rednecks would run around shooting themselves and each other in the streets 100 times a day over petty disputes. Times have changed completely, and Americans have proven they're too stupid and violent to have nice things, so fuck off..
>>748241397
Just reread it, and kind of agree now. He didnt really say anything concrete. Pretty sure the majority arguement was even completely false. I think the way it was written was close to mone, and I just glanced over it. Still don't think "what the amendment explicitly says" had to do with what he was trying to say
>>748241774
The point stands that people will manufacture weapons in their garages. Gun control will fail if implemented in the US. Thas the fucking point.
>>748240618
Sure. but it's also succeeded many times. Bad arguments and bad lawyers do not mean the law isn't the law.
>>748240920
>psychotic
I really think you need to look up what that word means. You keep using it wrong.
>>748233368
low qulty m8, b8.
>>748241957
People having to manufacturing weapons in their garages will greatly reduce the number of weapons available to criminals. The goal is reduction, not elimination. That's My point.
We do not define absolute elimination as failure in any other walk of life. Any law we make, every policy we implement, is designed to reduce, not eliminate. Improve, not perfect.
>>748241890
Please read the Militia Bill of 1792 to clarify who was in the militia and what the framers wanted.
Spoiler: Every citizen was in the militia and required to own a gun. The framers wanted an armed society.
Hey abortions kill thousands every day and I don't like them we should make those illegal to ... Right liberals ? I mean that's your argument right ? That because thousands are killed my rights shouldn't be allowed anymore. So women should not have the right t abortions.
>>748241821
>restricting human rights
Owning a gun isnt a right in most places and for good reason
also
>imagine if we decided to restric your 1st amendment rights because your neighbour said nigger on facebook?
So will you now defend all those people who have literally went to jail over saying nigger or even something less 'offensive' over facebook or did those not happen. What happened to their expression of free speech?
And anyway, its not just 1 person, none of you dickheads can be trusted, you have the most uneducated populace of the '1st world', not that any of us count you as that, and to top that off you got the most psycho populace too. I wouldnt trust an american to cut my hair. I dont even have a prejudice either before you say such a thing, it just honestly winds me up how alot of you can be so arrogant about the pathetic state of your country, or just blame it on trump or hillary or pesky russian hackers. And if i personally was american i'd be even more fucking pissed off
>>748242167
Well no. The argument in regards to abortion is that fetuses are not people, so, the argument doesn't transfer.
>>748242167
>not alive
>killed
Nice JEbait
>>748242135
If you try to confiscate firearms from law abiding citizens I promise you hundreds of thousands of people will die.
More people would die than a century of gun murders at the current rate. It will not make anyone safer. It will make things worse.
>>748241022
This is the type of guy who thinks just because he calls it traveling it means he's not driving. Yet it doesn't apply anywhere else.
"Oh no officer! I was not shoplifting! I was surviving! I'm a hunter gatherer!"
"I was not trespsssing and vandalizing this home! I was simply just passing through and the front door was in my way!"
I bet you pay in promissory notes too, huh?
>>748241308
I don't answer questions from cops without a lawyer present. My sum total interaction with them in a traffic stop is limited to:
>Am I being detained?
>Am I free to go?
>I do not consent to any searches of my person or property.
>What is you badge number?
>What is you bond number?
Haven't been arrested yet.
>>748242244
Self defense is a human right.
Firearms are the best tool for self defense.
Therefore fireamrs, by extension, are a human right.
>>748242317
That has not been the case anywhere else in the world when guns were illegalized.
If your argument is that americans are especially brutal, petulant, and stupid, that's fine. But i rather think we're better than that.
>>748242244
>Owning a gun isnt a right in most places and for good reason
We're talking about the US. We don't give a fuck what is or is not a right in most places.
That's like how we have freedom of speech here and most of Europe does not, or at least not to the extent we have. This is our most sacred principle and I'll be goddamned if I'll give it up because some pussy somewhere got butthurt someone called someone a fat nigger or something.
>>748242317
>we are so stuck up and bitter and psychotic that if the government legitimately tried to take away our toys we'd go into sperg rage and cause even more destruction and misery than the argument is concerned about
Dont you read what you're saying?
>>748236904
We were going to make you hillbillys a pen license but cause you fuck your cousins and shoot we will take your guns away
>>748241959
The Supreme Court already decided this in 1930. It doesn't matter how great of a lawyer you have.
I tow people's cars on a daily basis for this shit and I've never lost based on this retarded argument.
>>748233368
>>748242166
They wanted regulated and organized state militias, that could be called on in the event of Indian attacks or foreign invasion, which is what I said. That was before there were thousands of heavily armed state and local law enforcement agencies and a $900 billion dollar a year federal military. Times change.
>>748241317
Pretty sure you'd have to look for a long time to find someone willing to sell a firarm to a retard.
This is what is called a retuctio ad absurdum fallacy, It's a non-logical argument that seeks to use absurd or wildly unlikely circumstances to press an argument.
>NO LOGICAL ARGUMENTS
>>748241947
As much as I'd like to live in a country where I wasn't obligated to be responsible for myself, the reality is, that nobody gives a shit about me beyond the benefit they get from aiding me. There is no based kindness in this country, welcome to Democratic-Capitalism where everything has a price, including your freedoms. It's only getting worse because of the ignorance of the masses and I'm not speaking of guns or knowing your politics or even recycling your fucking cans. What I'm talking about is our ability to coexist without destroying what we build and being spatially-aware of WHAT we're building. Our future is shit at the moment.
>>748242431
There are 110 million gun owners in the US.
If 1 in 1000 decides to fight, that's 110,000 shooters. If each of them take 1 cop with them that's 220,000 dead. That's a conservative estimate.
It would be more than that. You would have millions of insurrectionistd on your hands. But just to put it in perspective, that's about 50 years worth of gun deaths at the current rate. You would cause hundreds of thousands of people to die so you can inflict your gun ban and make people safer. Is it worth it?
>>748242376
Yes, this is a traffic stop you don't have proper plates on your vehicle. No you are not free to go.
Do you have a license? You didn't give me one so I don't believe you so, I'm citing you for driving without a license and towing your car for driving without a license along with not registering your car in over 6 months. I don't need your consent to search because I've seized your car and I'm doing an incventory search.
You'll get my badge number on the ticket and tow form.
>>748242455
>Our freedom is better than your freedom
This was your only counter to everything i said? whats worse is that its 100% wrong too, america is dogshit for freedom, people get drowned out all the time
>>748242410
A dog is also a great tool for defence, but its not a RIGHT. Also firearms arent even the best tool for self defence, learning to fight, learning to avoid danger/dangerous situation, not living in a shithole, theres alot of things to do to avoid getting killed. I dont dismiss your point, guns are a great tool for defence, but that doesnt then justify 'oh fuck it every cunt can have one then here ya go'
>>748233368
>The intent of the 2nd Amendment was to guarantee the people a means and a way to defend themselves from the government
Incorrect, try again.
>>748242282
Guns aren't people either, so how can they kill?
>>748242456
If you try to remove a human right from lawful citizens they will fight you. Why is this hard to understand?
The right to self defense is not granted, it is inherent to all human beings.
>>748242135
>people creating more illegally made weapons will decrease the amount of illegal weapons
Do you even think before you say things? Illegal weapons are illegal weapons for a reason. It's not like a majority of them were bought legit and then resold
>>748241442
Did you not read where I said "safely"? Of course if you do shit that causes accidents or threatens the lives of other drivers/pedestrians you're going to get arrested. Didn't say you don't need to know HOW to drive, just said that the license is unnecessary.
>>748242642
>wildely unlikely circumstance
You're being ignorant to your countries education problem my man, its a genuine statistic that i'll attempt to flag down after posting this, but when comparing the average american to the IQ scales of other countries, they almost always end up below the mental retardation line
>>748233368
Go for it. Just get a 3/4 majority on a constitutional amendment. Good luck faggot.
>>748242827
what the fuck anon, do you even know what we're talking about?
This entire thread is literally about whether or not its a genuine right, so you cant just say 'but it IS our right, dummy!, so fuck off before i shoot you!'
>>748242779
In america, every cunt can indeed have one, unless you're a felon.
I couldn't care less about your laws in your country, but if they don't allow you to defend yourself, it sounds like you need a revolution.
>>748242718
If we take your totally hypothetical, baseless assumptions as fact, it's questionably worth it.
I say questionable because currently a lot of innocent people are the victims of gun violence. And it's arguable that reducing innocent victims is worth some sacrifice.
>>748233368
>On a side note, no amount of firearms could defeat the government in a war. They have fighter jets.
Fag, all you're doing is convincing me that the public should have access to fighter jets.
Really, though, if the US government had to fight its citizens to maintain power, it would lose all legitimacy. The military would cease to follow orders and side with the people. In case you want to argue this point, consider this: how many US soldiers have you met, and how many of them would wage open warfare with US citizens for the sake of being obedient to presidents like Trump, or Obama? Not many.
>>748242859
But why do you have to "travel" safely? How come you have to follow that law but not have a license? It's almost like you're selectively choosing what laws to follow.
What's the difference? It's all vehicle codes. If you don't need a license (vehicle code) how come other vehicle codes apply but just not that one?
>>748241606
Really? You mena kil howwe're currently occupying Israel, Saudi Arabia and North Korea?
The US interferes in "tryrannical nations" when it serves the interests of the state, not out of any sense of altruism or desire to "see freedom ring".
>>748243048
Come and take it.
You know I'm right. Thousands of people will die. Many more than would be saved by any gun ban. That's the point.
>>748241704
So? None of that means I am obligated to pay.
>>748243048
How are those numbers baseless? Use Google you dumb fuck.
>>748242859
>encouraging not having a drivers license
Unless you lost it, there's no real reason not to have one. Unless you have some sort of other ID or look old as fuck you can't even buy beer without it
>>748242827
Lol. Most people have guns because they live in fear. If cops with riot guns and tear gas came to their doors to collect their guns, they would shit themselves, cry, and gladly trade their guns for cheeseburgers and donuts. Enough with the faggot fantasies.
>>748243145
That's true. But it would be in other countries best interest to not have a tyrannical united states. They're already getting wary about us, because we've been doing so many stupid wars.
>>748233368
Fuckkkk! The trolls roun yah are getting fucking stupider and stupider. Geeze!
>>748243211
That's exactly what I said, you don't have to pay but you'll be in jail and you won't have a car anymore. But you don't have to pay.
>>748243263
Ever heard of Waco?
>>748233368
B-but muh freedomz, they can't take away muh gunz.
>>748243192
You keep saying That's the point, when you mean it's what you care about.
You admitting that you'll kill to protect your ownership of a gun is not an argument that there will be a civil war over gun ownership. It's just you saying you are dangerous. That's your point.
>>748242244
>Owning a gun isnt a right in most places and for good reason
Yeah, because nobles hate it when the peasants can easily kill them from ambush. One of the first instances of what could be called gun control was the forbidding of ownership of bows and crossbows by the commoners.
>>748243047
Normally i just avoid associating with morons and psychos so i dont get into sticky situations, plus we dont have alot of those here anyway. Alternatively its not too difficult to NOT get beat the fuck up either.
>>748242642
Not exactly the one i remember but some good snippets nonetheless
'The threshold I.Q. level for a diagnosis of mental retardation has been progressively lowered over the years, in part because of awareness of the damaging social prejudice suffered by those labeled "retarded." In 1959, the American Association on Mental Deficiency set 85 as the I.Q. below which a person was considered to be retarded.14 In 1992, the renamed American Association on Mental Retardation lowered the mental retardation "ceiling" to an I.Q. of 70-75,15 but many mental health specialists argue that people with I.Q.s of up to 80 may also have mental retardation. 16'
(https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/ustat/ustat0301-01.htm)
Followed by the EU verson:
(http://www.assessmentpsychology.com/iqclassifications.htm)
Which clearly has the 'older' definition of mental retardation the first quote refers to
I'll admit its not as cut and dry as the thing i read before but i'll continue looking, apparently googling 'america IQ mental retard' has alot of varied results
>>748238699
Fuck the owning fucking fighter jets! I fucking want a couple of fucking nukes and some chemical and bio weapons in my fucking basement.
>>748243387
There are millions of people in America who think the same way. A gun ban is an invitation to civil war. It is not feasible and you need to modify your expectations.
That's the point.
>>748233971
As I have said many times before, if the army does not side with the government then... you still have no valid reason to give guns to civilians freely. Dumbasses with guns would not be neccesary if the army handles the situation.
>>748243353
Kek. Yes, of course. That's my point! You think some fat fuck is going to want to risk having his whole family incinerated by trigger happy cops so he can hang on to the .38 Special that's been collecting dust in his closet for 20 years (if a nigger hasn't already stolen it and resold it in the hood) because he's never needed it for anything? Keep dreaming.
>>748243394
Do i even have to say that its not the 1600's
It's a different argument but since you wildly rocked the boat i'll give a shake too: the keyboard is way mightier than the gun, theres more power in a dialogue than there is in violence, hence politics isnt just a thunderdome
Proof is in the pudding
>>748243517
You are just guessing that that is true. Hoping, really.
>>748233368
I'm okay with this, only week people want guns.
>>748243517
>Listen man, most of us ARE psycho's!
>>748242319
Stealing is a violation of another person's rights.
Trespass and vandalism are a violation of another person's rights.
Operating a motor vehicle without a license is NOT a violation of another person's rights.
False equivilancy fallacy.
Nope I pay in FRNs, bitcoin, barter, even gold. I don't like promisory notes. I dislike being in debt.
>>748238839
>>748241890
This kind of autism.
In all latin america(weapons illegal) there are even worst shootings than in the united states, according to several mexican news statistics each 3 hours they got 60 dead people due from a gunman, in all latin america there are more than 50 thounsand people killed with weapons in just 2017.
Europe(Illegal) is half the us statistically speaking, same population countries t have 10 to 15 people killed wach day with a gun while there are 24 to 33
This proves illegal or legal gunnery is not much of a difference, actually those rednecks and niggers who are going to illegally buy firearms even when illegal are the main reason why americans should wear weapons at home
>>748242753
You forgot the bond number. You don't even know what one is. Every time I ask for a bond number, they give me a warning and then walk away.
>>748239076
Oh boo fucking hooooo! Who one stinking fucking shit about your worthless fucking life anyway?
>>748242787
That's exactly what it says. Re-read it without your faggot spectacles on.
>>748243765
What right says that people can't steal from you?
>>748233368
We have rules of engagement for ah it skin religious extremists, how do you think the government would be able to go full force on us?
>>748243759
Don't listen to the edgelords, I'd give up my registered firearms if they ever came for them
Definitely hide my unregistered ones though
>>748243097
Because I do NOT have a right to harm others. Are you actually this stupid or are we playing the socratic method game?
>>748243879
>this proves illegal or legal gunnery is not much of a difference
Not him but its a country like sweden or norway or something which also has armed citisens and they dont have psycho cunts shooting people almost daily, thats the real problem, americans LITERALLY cannot be trusted
>>748239287
Hey, asshat! He probably bought that arsenal the same way I did; One firearm at a time. If a farmer wants to blow up shit, he can save up a ton of Ammonium Nitrate a few pounds at a time. You are a total fucking retard, which is probably selling most retards short.
>>748243898
You're so full of shit. I'm a cop in real life, I don't answer your questions, period. I've already identified myself as a peace officer through my uniform, my steady red on my black and white, and my badge. If you're not satisfied that is not my problem.
The cop has to be pretty stupid to fall for this bullshit.
Again, how come all the other vehicle codes apply except for the license part?
>>748239377
>i'd prefer to repeal the second amendment.
And who gives one fucking shit what a worthless fuckwad like your "prefers"?
>>748233368
>Wrongly implying what the Founding Fathers meant.
What they actually said:
The power of the sword, say the minority, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for The powers of the sword are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom. Congress has no power to disarm the militia. Their swords and every terrible implement of the soldier are the birthright of Americans.
Also, as a police officer, I would disobey any order to disarm the populace. If any such order was given, by any party, I would be lawfully obligated to resist in any and every way possible - even if it was violently so.
Progressivism/Neoliberalism is cancer.
>>748244436
You didn't read any further than that. That's funny.
>>748243283
Do you know why no nation has invaded the US since 1945? Becasue we have nukes and a plan to launch them at any nation that chose to do so.
So does every other nation with nuclear capability. Even in the midst of a civil war, SOMEONE in the US would have the ability to nuke an outside nation that invaded or interceded on the behalf of the rebel faction. This ain't 1776 man.
>>748244183
Thing is no one is even saying lets just bin guns 100% completely, you just shouldnt give them to every tom dick and harry. Buisness owners and farm owners and tbh it'd even be justifiable to have something for like 'families' or 'households' or something of that nature. But the idea of 'you exist and you havent commited a major crime, here ya go' Is wildly concerning
I do appreciate that if suddenly they up and took some peoples guns and not the others that there would be alot of backlash, but again, thats down to most americans being crybaby fuckwits rather than an actual violation of rights or discrimination or whatever
>>748243308
Hasn't happened so far.
>>748244230
>>748244230
We're talking about law here, dumbass. You're stating opinions that aren't factually correct.
You don't have the right to harm others, just as you don't have the right to drive on a public road. Call it whatever the hell you want, you can call it traveling but it doesn't change the fact that you're operating a motor vehicle down a street, sure you're traveling, but you're also driving.
>>748240655
"reasonable" fucking smeezable! The real test is how they do with my fucking gun stuck in their ear.
>>748243576
Carthage would disagree with you.
>>748244593
And we're considering war with north korea, a nuclear power. However a hot war is not the only option. Other nations can use trade to greatly harm us if we do not effect certain political change. We got iran to give up its nuclear weapons program just using that.
>>748244603
>Actual freedom is wildly concerning
Plenty of nanny states out there dude, freedom is always inherently dangerous.
>>748244423
For the record this isn't how cops operate in most civilised countries just saying, unless you're a murderer or a thief the cop will treat you like a regular human, you know, cause of this thing called society and decency
>>748244118
What right says that other people can't murder you?
>>748244688
Let's not get sexy now. ^_~
>>748244230
Just because you're driving 100 mph and running red lights doesn't mean you're harming anybody.
What if you don't hit anybody?
You're selectively choosing which laws apply to you when in reality they're all vehicle codes. If one shouldn't apply because you're not driving, then none of them should apply.
>>748241350
Debate about what? A fucking asshat troll post question? Why not debate on whether your mother is a crack whore? That would be more fun.
>>748244692
>wikipedia carthage
>go to modern history
>latest entry is 'in 18XX'
relevance? Try to give more than a 5 word answer btw
>>748244746
What the fuck are you talking about. What's indecent about anything I said?
>>748244750
There is no right.
It's called the state penal code.
>>748244771
Well, yeah...my dick in their ass too...maybe spooge up their face if there is time before they drop to their knees to suck...wooo hoo!
>>748244742
>Missing the point ON PURPOSE this hard
If you're just gonna be a retard im going to do it AND still have a point
>get dog
>wax on dogs balls
>tape dog to inside of front door
>tie doorknob to pulley to wax
>burgler breaks in
>wax pulls off
>dog mauls burgler
>you get arrested for animal cruelty
BUT MY FREEEEDOOOOOOMMMMMM
>>748244423
>I'm a cop in real life
Prove it. Post your department, badge number and your bond number.
Vehicle codes are commecial codes and do not apply to private vehicles that are being used for private purposes.
Licensing restricts the right of the individual. Driving SAFELY does not.
>>748244992
>ask cop a question at traffic stop
>I WOULDNT EVEN RESPOND TO THAT TRASH LMAO WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, AS A PUBLIC SERVANT THE SATISFACTION OF THE PUBLIC IS NONE OF MY CONCERN
Feel free to amend your statement though, we all deserve second chances
>>748244877
Ehh, i don't think so. That doesn't have any real good objective arguments. It's just trading insults. This question, the gun question, is really fun because in addition to plenty of stupid arguments, there are also GOOD, objectively compelling arguments on both sides.
And yes, there are trolls in here, and they are stirring up shit. But to those of us who are seasoned, and can easily spot and ignore them, we're having fun having serious debate, and occasionally playing with the people who are less serious.
Oldfag protip - Anybody can wrench serious debate from the clutches of a troll thread if they want to. It's all up to people being willing to try.
>>748244515
That preference was all the fucking retarded bullshit I could countenance for one session. I'll take my "funny" over your retarded fuckwaddery any day.
>>748245404
Yes, but now that you've read the second sentence. Do you respect my viewpoint any better?
>>748245374
If you're going to argue with me about semantics and how legitimate of a cop I am and delegation of authority bullshit with me, no I'm not going to answer your questions because you're just being stupid. I don't have to do that for you. A genuine question is different. But the whole, "prove to me ur a cop, prove that I'm driving prove that this is a car" bullshit is the highest level of retardation.
>>748244630
>The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, by horsedrawn carriage, wagon, or automobile, is not a mere privilege which may be permitted or prohibited at will, but a common right which he has under his right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Under this constitutional guaranty one may, therefore, under normal conditions, travel at his inclination along the public highways or in public places, and while conducting himself in an orderly and decent manner, neither interfering with nor disturbing anothers rights, he will be protected, not only in his person, but in his safe conduct.
Thompson v.Smith, 154 SE 579, 11
>>748233368
Idiot. Take a look at how fucked up our gov is and then think about what would happen if we didn't have guns. You ever heard of the FEMA Camps? You think this shit is just a conspiracy? You're insane if you think our government has our best interests in mind. Seriously. Do some research dude...
>>748239468
What's wrong with a female being on top? I've never understood why it's frowned upon for males to be submissive.
>>748244230
More retarded bullshit? Yeah, I actually do have a right to harm others [and have done so] if they attack or pose an imminent and credible threat. Just like a fucking asshat speaking bullshit from theoretical point of view. Getting some fucking street smarts and going to war would've done your sorry ass a fucking world of good.
>>748233521
if youre a multimillionaire and can afford one then by all means
>>748233368
The point isn't that you can win pitched battles against a professional army with all its ordnance, as a rag-tag citizens' militia with small arms. The point is that you CAN FIGHT. You can bleed them. When they come patrolling through your neighborhood, you might be able to take a couple of the fuckers with you. Hell, you might even be able to run away and do it again; they couldn't engage in endless "manhunts" for everyone who resisted them. They'd never feel safe and there could be shooters behind any window.
Of course, they COULD call in the artillery and air-support and level your neighborhood, sure. What would this get them though? Well, it would piss a lot of people off when innocents died and play into the hands of rebels. It would make a lot of the soldiers in that professional military seriously consider whether they were doing the right thing or not. Finally, it would simply kill people, and NO ONE wants to rule a nation of corpses.
The aim of a tyrant is to control, not to kill. What they want is to be able to have militarized police & gestapo point guns at people and cow them into submission to whatever dictates they want to impose. If citizens are instead waiting behind their doors and ready to shoot first when the jackbooted thugs come around, they've already failed.
So, the point is to fight. If you resist, you're not being controlled, and you're also undermining attempts to control others who can't or won't fight. Yes, you might die, of course. However, that's why Patrick Henry said what he famously said, more or less.
"As long as people can resist, they can be free, and tyrants can never succeed." When you're talking about using swords, knives and clubs against modern military weapons though, it ACTUALLY becomes pointless, because you can't bleed them at all. They'll just shoot you with beanbags, rubber, water cannons, microwave guns and other submission devices.
That's why Americans having guns is so important.
>>748244486
Ha, and you would be fired instantly because your opinion, even as a public employee working for the government, is NOT protected by the 1st Amendment under Garcetti v. Ceballos, because no rights in the Bill of Rights are absolute or unrestricted.
>>748245607
You can deny them all you want you dickhead, my poiny is theres a difference, as a representative of the interests of public safety, between
>Im sorry sir im not going to answer that at this time
and
>silence
or
>-smashes window-
Its not semantics, im calling you a cunt and you're not denying it
>>748233368
very true OP. all the guns in the world wont help US citizens stop a corrupt govt. if it did it would have already. now? whats a gun gunna do to stop tanks and jet fighters..missles etc. but guns are good to shoot niggers. so keep the guns. just dont be delusional about them.
>>748245309
I'm not doing that, that's stupid and worthless.
Do you not see what you're saying? Yes this is the Socratic method I'm trying to get you to see how you're contradicting yourself.
Vehicle codes according to you do not apply to private vehicles for private purposes.
Yet those same codes dictate the speed limits, the right of way, stop signals etc. that you choose to follow.
If they do not apply to you as a private driver how come you are not driving 100 mph and blowing red lights. Vehicle codes only apply to commercial drivers according to you.
Your logic is flawed here.
>>748245578
Fuck no, I still think you are fucktard.
>>748245704
Why are people offended by the word nigger?
They just learn to associate that word with hateful feelings.
It's just a cultural thing. Men should be aggressive, they should not be submissive. Men who are submissive are being unmanly, which we just have a cultural understanding to be bad.
It's easy to understand. That is not to say it's good. You can make plenty of good arguments that's a bad facet of our culture. But it's easy to understand.
>>748245282
What if they break in the back door?
>>748244919
Rome eradicated Carthage in 146 BC. I submit to you that a weapon is indeed mightier than dialogue.
All dialogue is based on it being a preferred alternative to war. The implication being that if dialogue fails, violence WILL resolve the disagreement.
>>748237559
We all need AK-47s and M16s.
>>748246140
Obviously thats where the goldfish come in, but i always found trouble getting the tape to work, too slippery
>>748245704
I fucking LOVE dominant fucking women. They fuck like they fucking MEAN it! Cowgirl bouncing on my fucking throbbing pole with those big titties flopping in my face is heaven on earth!
>>748245972
Kek. He killed them with bad ideas that they embraced because they were caught up in his cult of personality, the way you are with your "Emperor God" Trump, dipshit.
>>748246118
Now you're just being sore.
>>748245624
You forgot to cite the rest of the quote, again selectively choosing laws.
The right of a citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon in the ordinary course of life and business is a common right which he has under his right to enjoy life and liberty, to acquire and possess property, and to pursue happiness and safety. It includes the right in so doing to use the ordinary and usual conveyances of the day; and under the existing modes of travel includes the right to drive a horse-drawn carriage or wagon thereon, or to operate an automobile thereon, for the usual and ordinary purposes of life and business. It is not a mere privilege, like the privilege of moving a house in the street, operating a business stand in the street, or transporting persons or property for hire along the street, which a city may permit or prohibit at will.
The exercise of such a common right the city may, under its police power, regulate in the interest of the public safety and welfare; but it may not arbitrarily or unreasonably prohibit or restrict it, nor may it permit one to exercise it and refuse to permit another of like qualifications, under like conditions and circumstances, to exercise it.
The regulation of the exercise of the right to drive a private automobile on the streets of the city may be accomplished in part by the city by granting, refusing, and revoking, under rules of general application, permits to drive an automobile on its streets; but such permits may not be arbitrarily refused or revoked, or permitted to be held by some and refused to other of like qualifications, under like circumstances and conditions.
Same case.
>>748233368
To be fair, you have to have a very high IQ to understand Rick and Morty. The humor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of theoretical physics most of the jokes will go over a typical viewer's head. There's also Rick's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his characterisation - his personal philosophy draws heavily from Narodnaya Volya literature, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these jokes, to realize that they're not just funny- they say something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike Rick and Morty truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the humour in Rick's existencial catchphrase "Wubba Lubba Dub Dub," which itself is a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Dan Harmon's genius unfolds itself on their television screens. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a Rick and Morty tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for the ladies' eyes only- And even they have to demonstrate that they're within 5 IQ points of my own (preferably lower) beforehand.
>>748246178
>he just blocked out the part where i reminded him that we are living in an unprecidented age where you can have a dialogue with literally any human alive today
Theres a reason i specifically mentioned keyboard and guns rather than pens and swords, to represent the changing times. i mean seriously i feel like im grading a 10 year old kids failed english work.
>The curtains were blue to express calmness
>>748245981
Are you autistic?
>>748241422
Then only criminals have guns, you dumbshit.
I like guns though, its fun going to the range with friends.
Besides aren't most gun related crimes used with illegally obtained weapons anyways?
>>748246295
Yes, but they'd have far fewer guns.
>>748244736
CONSIDERING. Unless the Intel community can demonstrate conclusively that the Norks DO NOT have nukes, and the ability to fire on the US or it's allies, then nothing will happen. It'll be the Cuban missile crisis all over again. If they DO have nukes, then I feel bad for the people in the blast zones on the west coast and all the poor innocent fuckers in NK because their nation will wind up as a radiactive parking lot.
>>748246295
You have to remember that a big part of why criminals can walk around with guns as freely as they do is BECAUSE there are so many out there
Hard to catch the pink hat man when pink hats are in fashion
Dont respond to this, im a different person just slapping some shit onto the end of the other anons shit, he may not agree and i already got people im arguin with currently, my plate is full
>>748246287
To be fair, you have to have a scat fetish to understand Andy Sixx's logs. The flavor is extremely subtle, and without a solid grasp of eating da poopoo, most of the logs will go over a typical eater's head. There's also Andy's nihilistic outlook, which is deftly woven into his songs - his personal philosophy draws heavily from his dad Nikki, for instance. The fans understand this stuff; they have the intellectual capacity to truly appreciate the depths of these logs, to realize that they're not just tasty- their flavor says something deep about LIFE. As a consequence people who dislike eating logs of shit out of Andy Sixx's asshole truly ARE idiots- of course they wouldn't appreciate, for instance, the bouquet of his creamiest, steamiest dumplings, which themselves are a cryptic reference to Turgenev's Russian epic Fathers and Sons. I'm smirking right now just imagining one of those addlepated simpletons scratching their heads in confusion as Andy's logtrain unfolds itself into their gaping months. What fools... how I pity them. And yes by the way, I DO have a BVB tattoo. And no, you cannot see it. It's for Andy's eyes only. And hopefully I can demonstrate to him just how dedicated I am to answer the question: "Would you?"
>>748246229
i did not vote for trump or hillary dipshit go suck bernie sanders cock you cuck.
>>748246456
Not really. There would just be a new class of criminals; the outlaw gunsmith.
>>748246536
Not that guy - but yeah, strict weapon laws are sure working in Mexico and South America.
>>748246464
Just because a nation has nukes doesn't mean it will use nukes in its wars. All nations are disinclined to use nukes, and prefer to use conventional weapons, because using nukes radically escalates the scope of the conflict and causes all other nations to dramatically shift their opinion of that country to being dangerous and having to be dealt with.
It is an issue, and worth worrying about. But it isn't reasonable to assume that just going to war with a nuclear power will automatically mean the nukes get used.
>>748233368
YOU
COMMUNIST
FAGGOT
>>748246061
Yeah, you're not a cop. Fuck off kid.
>>748246751
>other countries with a degenerate population
It might be harder to follow since i dont have his green thing but my stance on american gun use could basically be boiled down to you're all untrustworthy psycho's, so that might shed some air on what im saying
Also thanks for responding, talk about untrustworthy :^(
>>748245282
Not that Anon, but holy shit that was stupid; this is what it looks like when an argument is lost
>>748246750
Yes, really. Legalization means cheapness. Illegalization means expensive. It's costly and risky to manufacture and sell illegal things, that translates to higher cost to offset the risk.
The average criminal, who is doing crime for personal benefit, would be priced out of buying a gun. Guns would mostly be used by organized crime, who make enough money through their efforts to justify the expense of those weapons.
>>748246869
Hahaha, you've finally realized how fucking autistic you are, huh?
I don't give a shit if you believe me or not but, seriously. Stop taking YouTube law advice.
>>748246049
>whats a gun gunna do to stop tanks and jet fighters..missles etc.
That's always been a stupid argument.
Tanks are incredibly vulnerable. That's why the need infantry to protect them. No infantry....They're fucked. A few gallons of gasoline will take out a tank. Rifles take out infantry.
jet fighters are easy. Take out their fuel supply and they don't fly. 1 sniper can ground several jets.
Missiles? They have to launch from somewhere.
You are a moron when it comes to military tactics.
A few farmers with rifles couldn't stand up to a line of British soldiers in 1776.
So they hid behind trees and picked them off one by one.
>>748246765
How does one esclate from "They've invaded our nation?" Nukes are THE deterrant against invasion. Why do you think the US never invaded the USSR even during the worst parts of the cold war? Because to do so meant having nukes rain down on the US. Even assuming that the US "won" a nuclear exchange it would effectively end it as a nation.
One does not invade a nuclear power and survive the event unscathed.
Hey, i just thought of something.
If people are so sure that people would get guns anyway if they were illegal, why are they against making it illegal? You want a gun. It being illegal doesn't stop you from buying one. So how does it being illegal stop you from having a gun?
>>748246907
>my stance on american gun use could basically be boiled down to you're all untrustworthy psycho's
Sounds like some serious projection
But even if thats the case, theres nothing safe about freedom. People are going to do what people are going to do.
A Muslim in a truck still killed more people than any American spree shooter.
>>748246049
You may want to brush up on your tactical and strategic knowledge.
>>748243048
Most gun violence is just black neighbourhoods killing off each other. Let them be.
>>748247075
In modern wars, you invade a country, take it over, do some shit to the organization and leave. You don't kill all the men and sell the women and children into slavery. Nukes start getting used and millions and millions of civilians are dead.
That's an escalation.
>>748246536
Ever live next to a big city where there's people killed nearly every day? Its always nigger gangbangers killing other niggers, but most of the time nothings done about it because cops stay away from those areas.
They know the guns are there, but don't do anything about it unless somebody comes forward and says who it was, which hardly happens.
Your argument makes absolutely no sense, hunters and gun-nuts alike aren't toting rifles around in the back of their pants like a nigger about to rob a 7/11.
For cops to even somewhat tame the black gun problem they'd have to stop every one walking down the street in bad areas, which is obviously impractical. They really only get caught by chance by a random stop because they always run because they have a gun on them
>>748247129
>a muslim in a truck still killed more than any american spree shooter
Right but notice how you HAD to qualify it as a case by case thing, rather than amount of muslim kills vs amount of american spree kills?
And i agree with you, people will always abuse freedom. Its just that Americans are particular cunts about it
>>748246869
I dunno about him, but Im a cop. Im on my phone so work with me a little, whats the argument?
>>748247523
The argument is that blue cheese is superior to munster.
>>748247384
allow me to clarify, i was talking about a regular case
America is incredibly irregular. I mean the proof is in your first question
>Ever live next to a big city where there are people killed nearly every day?
Fuck no
Also i lost track of time and suddenly its 8am so i do have to apologise for putting progressively less and less effort into my shit.
My counter argument would be your country sucks and is full of wankers, all countries suck to a degree and have some wankers, but those are the foundations of your country
Imagine that more elequent and then add an english accent of your choice
>>748247286
>In modern wars, you invade a country, take it over, do some shit to the organization and leave
as though Kim Jong Un would survive such an event. Quadaffi didn't. Sadam didn't. Almost no ruler/government in the last 75 years has survived the conquoring of their nation. Did you think that a precinct captain in the NYPD was the one to make the go/no go decision on whether the US launches it's nukes? Do you really think Kim WON'T launch what nukes he has at the US or whatever of it's allies it can reach should the US (or any US ally) invade his nation?
A restaurant near here has a steak salad, which is steak strips on top of salad, and they use a stilton blue cheese. Stilton + steak + greek dressing = fookin' amazing.
>>748247394
The Bureau of Justice Statistics which works with the FBI to compile the UCR (Uniform Crime Report) classifies a spree shooting as any incident in which 3/4 or more subjects are wounded or killed in an incident. 99% of these are gang related.
If you want to talk violent crime, we could go over Australia or England which have a per capita higher rate than the US.
Also, if youre not American, why do you even care? Worry about your bikies or muzzies running around decapitating soldiers in the street.
>>748247846
I think it's a risk, i don't think it's a guarantee. As i said, i'd prefer using economic pressure than a hot war. If we could get china to sufficiently punish north korea with trade, i think we could get everything we want.
>>748247394
An American with a truck killed more people than any American spree shooter in the last 100 years.
>>748247647
Well thats a crock of shit. Munster is clearly superior. Rabble rabble.
>>748247128
It doesn't, but it means you then have to illegally own something that you always had legally before. Believe it or not, some people don't want to be criminals.
It's just pointless and impractical to make guns illegal at this point. They're never going to get even a majority of the ones out there and all taking them from law abiding citizens does is open opportunity for criminals who didn't get their guns seized because in the eye of the US government they, on paper, don't exist
>>748247925
I care because Americans and a good chunk of thirst world countries idolise americans, and as a result your fuckups effect the rest of us.
>>748247957
>still making the clarification
All americans with trucks have killed less than all american spree shooters full time
>>748247930
The chinks and the Norks have been at war either hot or cold since before 1952. Why do you think ther's a fucking famine in NK? If they were on good terms with China, they'd get food from them.
>>748247957
>Sly Oklahoma City reference
Clever lol
>>748248051
>Tim McVeigh
>>748248047
If the government institutes a buyback program, people will happily sell a majority of weapons just to get that money.
>>748248052
Most of the trade done with north korea is done by the chinese. If china completely cut off trade with north korea, north korea would completely cease to function. Likely causing a civil war.
>>748248051
If we suck so much, just stop riding our dicks then man.
There was plenty of shit I hated when I lived in Europe, but really its none of my damn business. How often are there threads talking about European issues? Lol.
Like really, why worry about our problems when you have so many of your own; sounds like escapism.
>>748248113
That's the dumbest fucking thing I've ever read
>>748248082
I'd never heard of the name and i was honestly expecting like 1000 kills due to like building collapse as a result or something, but fucking seventy six?
Lets say the average spree nets 15 kills
Its known that theres a shooting in america, at most, once every 3 days
so thats 3 x 5 for the guns to catch up, aka 15 days
So are you really gonna now tell me that every 15 days an american with a truck kills on average 75-76 people?
