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Did heath ledger completely ruin what people think of when they imagine the joker?


The idea of joker has always been a dapper flamboyant clown that obsesses with the downfall of a self righteous man in a bat costume. But recently
He is mostly just getting attention for being edgy and crazy and is mostly loved by teens that have never touched a comic.

Feels bad to watch a 70 year old icon get ruined
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>>745899408
not really sure, depends on how you feel about nicholson's joker. but i think we can all agree leto's was the worst.
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nah yea nah yea yea who cares
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>>745899408
yes he performed a very popular modern reinterpretation
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Nicholson's was more like the traditional joker, that being a flashy clown that would cause trouble just for shits and giggles. He wasn't an edgy try hard that acted in the name of chaos and thought of himself as an idea
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Don't get me wrong heath did an amazing job in the film but it just didn't feel like
"The Joker"

Half of the fan base for the joker is now edgy kids that draw stitches on their faces
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ledger's performance was pretty much amazing, but you kinda' get the feeling that it's not exactly what the Joker is really about...sure the sarcasm and the comments were there but it lacked a bit of...lunacy, wackyness i guess
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I thought ledger was good.

This is from someone who's seen them all. From Cesar Romero on.
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I'm fucking glad that retard is dead. I never liked him.
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The best Joker was played by James Holmes.
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Aww there ruining comics boo hoo get over yourself you fucking fanboy Faggot no doubt your a virgin
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>>745900543
Cuck confirmed
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You are on a image bored on the internet in the early morning, trying to act like you are a real man and comic book fans are fags because they had a simple conversation.

Actually off yourself.
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>>745899408
But it makes sense when you realize there are actually 3 different jokers
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If you liked leto's fucking trailer trash joker you are a subhuman
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Comic books are normie shit. If you still think comics are part of some exclusive subculture, you are a fucking normie.

If this was 1992, you would be a preppy right now.
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>>745899408
I always veiwed him as the brooding clown. Sulking about, trying to get Batman to laugh and enjoy muder as much as he does. Until he randomly get a wonky idea and goes manic with a nonsense plan that he thinks is kinda funny. If he remembers.

I think of him like a sensory over load kind of guy, he blows stuff up not to because any sort of reason beyond it solves a problem in the biggest flashyest way.

Also he is tied to the mafia. Less loan sharking, more truck hijacking then burning all the cargo so no one gets it.
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Joker has been my favorite DC character since I was a kid. But I honestly think they are going a little over bored and not giving the other villains any attention
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>>745899408
I liked that version of the Joker. That said, it's pretty cringey the way people worship it. The thing about comics is that characters can be re-envisioned by new writers. In my opinion, the best joker has been the one in the Arkham games.
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you shouldn't complain about movies ruining comics unless you complain 1000% harder about movies ruining books. that shit's been going on for way longer.
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>>745901064
You right
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>>745901047
Mark Hamill is GOAT

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4lHBG4aXwF0
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>>745899408
Maybe you should take a little time to look up his first appearance before saying he began like Cesar Romero his first appearance was in the 40s
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>>745901224
http://thegreatcomicbookheroes.blogspot.ca/2014/02/the-jokers-first-appearance-in-batman-1.html?m=1 he started off as fucked as always
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>>745899408
If anything, I think Jared Leto ruined Joker, because that version is loved by teens more than Heath's
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>>745901151
Mark hamill will always be the best but I think Troy baker has a lot of potential
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>>745899408
I was wondering if I was the only one he was all joker use knives like that one movie had the comic book joker
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>>745899408
I want to see him fight the nigger joker.
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>>745901423
>only one he was all joker use knives
Could you rephrase the question?
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>>745899408
I think context matters, and this was a modern day if not futurish setting when the movie was released. And with the drugs and ritalin and now adderal in our history and all the violence, I say Heath Ledger's role and the image of the joker in this movie is pretty spot on and not overdone. We can't have an out of place goofball from the fucking 60's or whatever jumping around.

newfag
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>>745901613
Not saying he absolutely ruined the joker, just saying the changes to the joker in that movie just kinda stuck with the joker even if its not in a modern day setting.
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>>745899408
normal people don't give a fuck what happens to actors. The joker is the joker, no matter who plays it.
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>>745901745
Kinda like danny devito as the penguin.
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>>745901595
He uses guns too I seen joker that's why
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>>745901745
Do you even read comics ? The new thing is there is 3 jokers the one you love cause you a fag the edge lord ledger version and mobster wanna be jack nicklson
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>>745899408
Ledger, Nicholson, Hammil, the bestests,
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>>745901955
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>>745901916
But how does the worlds greatest detective not realize that it's three different people?
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>>745901916
I do read comics. The whole shitty 3 jokers idea is only in the new rebirth comics, its cannon in those comics but it isn't etched in stone for all future comics.
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>>745900469
You spelled Mark Hamill wrong
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>>745902033
You right.
Nice dubs.
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Heath Ledger performance in the new batman was the most cringey thing i've ever seen in my life. I like the movies but it's so bad that i have to fast foreward through the parts he plays in
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>>745902102
Why so faggot?
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>>745902102
>Heath Ledger
>new batman
Why are europoors so stupid?
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>>745901831
I miss the 90's...
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>>745902011
I haven't a clue man they will probably reboot the whole entire thing in a little while
>>745902026
And so exactly how the Joker you like was the canon during the 70s and the one ledger choose to portray was based mostly from Frank miller comics which were the Canon at that time they change this shit constantly you don't like it just wait a little it will change
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>>745899408
Joker was always fucked up, its just that DC uses the joker more in stories they they used too. The old joker for example crippled barbara gordon, might have raped her or his henchmen did (no proof however) tortured jim gordon and thats only the killing joke. He also one time kidnapped all the babies in gotham and when jims wife found him he shot her and just left her corpse there with the baby. Also the one time he beat jason todd with a crowbar infront of his mother and then blew them up.

I myself think heaths idea of the joker came close since joker was always someone who just tried to create chaos (see death of the family comic) they just kinda made the joker more family friendly in the early years. Also the batman universe from the dark knight has a darker broodier tone overall.
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>>745902161
>>745902154
It's an overly dramatized try hard attempt to be interesting. It also got blown out of proportion and became so fucking popular with tweens that it makes me sick.
Also not a eurofag
Pic related - reaction to his performance
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>>745902102
Clearly you never watched the spiderman movies.

pic related
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>>745902286
Oh, im sorry that youre a nigger.
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>>745899591
>we can all agree leto's was the worst.
yes,we do
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>>745902299
Toby is still the best movie Spiderman compared to the recent failures....
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>>745902299
Garfield was the best spidey
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>>745902242
makes sense

joker in 2008 was pretty chaotic lol
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>>745902299
I only watched the first remake with the sexy ginger chick tied up in the rain scene
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we need big government to force canon into the comic book scene.
can't have all these creatives do whatever the fuck they want.
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>>745902331
Did I ask foryour opinion on that, yeah its fact, but still? My gf at the time was so cringed out by that scene I did not know what she meant until I accidentally re watched the movies years later. What an actor.
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>>745902318
I'm almost certain you're a kid. Only a child could take that mockery of a display as something of quality
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Here early morning fags. The best comic book and illustrated version of the Joker, an intelligent and psychopathic murderer with a flair for sarcastic insight and brutal violence. Read it. Mark Hamill's voice is excellent, Heath Ledger's portrayal is poetic and sad, and Jared Leto nailed the looney violence. They all have their merits, but the comic book has a singular vision of all three with the spot-on illustration
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>>745902361
underrated post
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>>745902345
I think that was the first one in the series of films he was in.
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>>745902361
canon? Not a big comic guy, gave up on recent super hero movies for a while now too.


>>745902413
I like when he sings music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKcAcuTgr04
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>>745902286
I think youre confusing heath ledger and jared leto
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>>745902388
You fuck posting in a fucking thread and dont expect replies ? What are you some kind of imbecile ?
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>>745902508
I am not. I haven't watched the new jared leto bullshit trash and i refuse to. Heath Ledgers performance was fucking downright 100% cringe. He tried so hard and it's just all too obvious. Maybe that is what ruined it
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>>745902544
stay on point then son
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>>745902598
Oh shit nigger.
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>>745902253
Best eurotrip ever
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>>745902598
Just read a comedy book about clowns if you dig that, but you clearly have no idea what the jokers personality. Maybe instead of just watching the shows and movies read the comics especially the old ones.
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>>745902684
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>>745902391
you save pictures of niggers so
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>>745902720
I have read the comics. Played the games. Watched the movies and shows.
I understand the character but still i can't stomach that god awful try hard garbage he portrayed
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>>745902744
Clearly, a bait.
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>>745902860
How would you have done it differently?
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>>745902745
umad cuck?
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>>745902905
I couldn't have done it any better. I'm no actor, but if i had to i'd try to make it less obvious. Make it seem more natural and less forced/ scripted.
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>>745902102
New? That movie came out 10 years ago and hes been dead almost as long you stupid cunt
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>>745902917
u homeless nigga.
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>>745902917
i thought it was insecure niggers saying

umadwhiteboi?

what a newerfag you are... i am coining that term now no one steal it!
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>>745903007
forgot pic
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>>745902286
>It also got blown out of proportion and became so fucking popular with tweens that it makes me sick.
Basically you don't hate it for what it is but because you don't like people liking it, especially kids. You just want to prove yourself different.
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>>745902860
Then you still dont understand the charecter he acts like he is insane and noone knows if he really is, he doesnt really care what the eventual risk or outcomes are he is just trying to create chaos and make batman fall.

I almost wanna say you are just one of those who dont like anything mainstream because its for normies.
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>>745902979
Those are the new ones if you've been alive longer than your twelve year old ass
>>745902991
Mad as fuck
>>745903007
Been here a lot longer than you son
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>>745902413
This anon gets it.
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>>745903107
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>>745900793
I like Gothams take on the joker.
It's not a specific person, but this addictive idea as if the Joker itself was an inter-dimensional being that takes forms in peoples heads as an idea.
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>>745903107
go get some dinduwatermelun
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>>745903074
That's called being a hipster
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Why are people saying Jared Leto is the new joker? Wasn't he just a side character in a kinda shitty movie?
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>>745903053
>>745903074
I seen the movie the day it was released. I hated his performance then, and when i seen how everyone was praising him to the heavens for it, it made me hate it more.
I'm glad he's dead - just because of that part he played
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>>745903176
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>>745903238
No anon is describing a tryhard.
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>>745903107
Ooh my bad that you wanna be all superior by being a Nicholson or Romero fagboy.but saying that ledger is THE new joker is fucking wrong.
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>>745899408
>Hey everyone says that Heath ledger pretty much carried that movie and was an inspired actor so I should start a thread to the exact opposite opinion, it'll be hilarious

Fallout 3 is the worst in the FO series by the way.
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>>745903284
Lawl he is. Is there a new actor playing the joker that i'm unaware of?
Inb4 jared leto
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>>745902413
mah nigger
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>>745903254
>Nuh uh! I'm not being argumentative I was hating his acting BEFORE it was cool!

Wow.
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>>745903330
Pretty clear by him saying he's glad he's dead because of that film Lol
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>>745903330
Reservoir dogs is a bad movie :^) hahhah
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>>745903399
Hey fag i'm just telling the truth. It's not my fault you can't handle someone with an opposing opinion
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>>745903438
You're the real mvp
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>>745903438
(same guy who hates heath ledger here)
I actually hate that movie too.
P.S. ALL Quinten Tarantino movies fucking suck. Besides pulp fiction of course
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>>745903345
If we look at all of them there's like 5 but 4 are animated and 1 is in Gotham so technically ledger is 7 jokers back
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>>745903531
Pulp fucktion sucks,
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>>745903531
I hate you, anon.
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>>745903531
Yeah.... time for me to leave
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>>745899408
Ledger certainly reimagined the character but hit the nail on the head in doing so, he created almost a new character.

Leto tried too hard to fill those shoes and performed more of a butcher than ledger did
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>>745900071
I alway love when edgelords draw stitches from their mouth corners and down to their chins or cheeks. Super cool.
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Please send me your cock pictures [email protected]
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>>745903531
Ledger was pretty good.
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>>745903679
Is that your email?
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>>745903617
>>745903612
>>745903609
Hey in defense of Reservoir dogs, I'll have to re watch it. I want to believe it's as good as they say but i haven't seen it's good side supposedly
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>>745903679
Well this thread just died time for someone to scrap it
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>>745903733
wtf is that shit ? movies are for cucks , who cant read.
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>>745903694
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Goodnight to all and may Heath Ledger burn in the deepest bowel of hell for all eternity due to his portrayal of the joker
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>>745899408
It's fiction, who fucking cares you simpleton. The Lego movie had the best batman ever. By far. Now What? And you know you can't even deny it. There is better emotional strife and triumph displayed in MLP than in any superheo/comic book series or movie. Now What? Also cannot be challenged.

BAWWWW THE FICTIONAL CHARACTER I LIKE IS BEING REPRESENTED WITHOIT MY AUTHORITY

Get over yourself you pimple popping cock coineussoeur
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>>745903794
He was.
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>>745903679
Hey guys I just found this sweet new site......it's called reddit
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>>745903531
He's a racist homophobic asshole
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>>745903817
ok?
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>>745903827

> cock coineussoeur

fucking kek
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>>745903817
your ip is detected, and cops ar on their way, to capture you for drug using and selling, and abusing children.
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In the original issue he showed up in he was a mass murderer. Later under the comic book code he became sort of a wuss and then after the code ended he became a more complicated serial killer.

So no. Just no.
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>>745903827
Ik and Steve blum was the joker
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As someone who loves the dark knight, i seriously think the joker should act more like his BTAS apperance and i hate how hes this edgy hot topic retard now. It wasnt like this before killing joke
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>>745903694
Damn good.
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>>745903829
No
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>>745903950
Kek, yes.
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Guys, go back to Batman issue 1.
Yeah, mass murdering edgy character who left his victims with a Glasgow smile.
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>>745903950
>> winning oscar.
end of the story.
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>>745904040
pretty creepy
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>>745904082
Pre comic book code joker was like Ledger joker minus the complicated psychology. He wasn't even obsessed with Batman. He just liked killing people after announcing that he was going to do it. Then he'd fuck with the corpses
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>>745902026
> cannon
It's canon you god damn fucking retard. Please die.
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The joker killed Robin with a crowbar after a vote by fans. Google it.
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>>745900935
Bro, your trying too hard
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>>745904040
4040 ftw
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>>745902860
You're some edgy fucking kid who hates something just because it's popular. You fucks need euthanized.
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Alright we got more posters than pics time for a photo dump
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>>745904641
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>>745904740
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>>745900632
CHuck confirmed
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>>745904761
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New argument...marvels better
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>>745900220
because in 20XX, all movies are gritty and "realistic" (even though they're totally fucking not, but they are if you ignore all the fuck ups). there is no room for lunacy, wackyness, or fun. those are outdated sentiments.
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>>745901831
That movie reminds me of my childhood.
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>>745905028
>there is no room for lunacy, wackyness, or fun
you forgot sex
modern movies are written by boring prudes
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>>745902860
>I hated it so much that I made sure to view every published instance of it, because it is highly important that my negative criticism of comics be as valid as I can ensure

And I'm the pope. jews pretending to be neets pretending to be hipsters pretending to be try hard children. The last two are basically the same
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>>745899408
>always

no
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>>745899408
He created a more realistic interpretation that fit the dark, gritty Batman universe that Nolan created.

Internet+social media+cringey millenials ruined it through memes and edginess.

Not really Ledger's fault at all.
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>>745903827
>mlp

fuck off ponyfag you have no taste
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>>745900793
How come Batman never noticed the Joker were three different guys? They don't even look alike.
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>>745905389
>> wins oscar
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>>745900071
I thought it rationalized the joker in the real world. This was kind of the purpose of the dark knight. Even when you look at the batmobile, it's rationalized, it's more like military equipment. It became more impactful, taking the same spirit of twisted good vs Evil of the old comic books and putting it in the real world. That's where the film stands out, it's not even Heaths performance so much as the character rationalization of the script.
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>>745903531

Jesus Christ. It's like none of you can experience anything that isn't made by Michael Bay.
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>>745905719
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>>745903852
...who makes great movies. fuck off with your ad hominem attacks.
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>>745905768
That's a hook.
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I'm back faggots.
>>745905306
If you were attentive enough you'd know that that movie was the final batman related movie i've seen. You're trying to think too far outside the constrains of your pubescent mind. >>745904517
Learn to read the thread before spouting diarrhea from your cock sucker
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>>745905795
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>>745905772
No that's obviously a wheat grass fallacy.
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>>745899408
What makes you think Ledger himself had anything to do with the character design
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>>745905833
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>>745905833
>responses that have nothing to do with the posts they're responding to

Oh okay man, thanks.
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>>745905246
well if you include any attractive women with sex appeal, it's sexist. im all for freedom of artistic expression, unless i assert that it hurts someone else's feelings. that is not ok and should be banned because in current year, we only allow everybody to have good feelings by law.
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>>745905739
90% of micheal bay movies are trash. You shouldn't reply to my post with that petty assumption
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>>745905860
He was the actor who played him. It is sort of physically impossible that he didn't
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>>745905389
I do hate how Nolan has set the precedent now for directors who want to make it in Hollywood, now everyone just grabs ahold of some twentyplus year old marketing tool, turn the brightness down, add a brooding serious protagonist, and cast one big name actor to be *insert never used tertiary antagonist herr*
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>>745905901
Hey your welcome bro. We all make mistakes so don't beat yourself up about it
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>>745906017
Ledger was good.
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>>745906093
Weak attempt. Access denied
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>>745906011
>I hate how jews use formulas to produce every form of entertainment so that they can make accurate estimates of their incoming schmeckles.

You just now noticed huh
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>>745899761
/Thread
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>>745906128
He was, gooood.
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>>745905673
right, like the bat cave, which makes no fucking realistic sense whatsoever
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>>745905994
Right, well when they cast him I'm sure his physical appearance played a roll (no pun intended).

Wouldn't the actual design of the character be up to.. you know, someone in charge of designing the character? Maybe this actually was Ledger in this case? Though I doubt it.
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>>745899824
Well, he did put chemicals in beauty products in order to kill random people and talked about himself as an artist a lot. There was some edginess and idealization in that movie too, despite Tim Burtons dark take on Gotham, I think there are some similarities. I do think Ledgers joker was written a little overboard in that direction though.
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>>745906128
Tips fedora.
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>>745906216
Heath Ledger was perfect.
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>>745904740
Lex Luther would be better than the joker.
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>>745906174
That was better, actually made me kek a little
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>>745899408
Ledger is good what the fuck are you on about? Jared Leto is by far the weakest joker I've ever seen, the reason ledger is hyped so much is because he played a manic role perfectly, where you get Jared who's fucking acting is beyond brutal, I couldn't stand suicide squad, and if Leto is in the second adaptation it'll be fucking shit because he is a bad actor. I'd rather have a crazy bastard picked off the street than Jared, cause his acting is non existent, it is terrible
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>>745902033
Truly the creepiest sounding joker.

When heard hamill's joker I started thinking about how scary a character like the joker could become.
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>>745906285
Because he was good.
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>>745906202
*role

It's actually pretty popular to have competent actors do most of their own character development. If directors could just tell people to give them oscar performance and get it, they wouldn't be an award.
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>>745906297
Jared Leto did a wayyyy better job than gay ass Ledger. At least Leto can act
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>>745905028
What? I've seen some fun movies lately. Baby driver was great.
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>>745900281
He was packing...
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>>745899824
Oddly specific and suspiciously compassionate summary of the character faggo
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>>745906329
Actually, when Hamills joker end the funny oversaturated talking, and says something like, kill him or etc is pretty creppy.
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>>745906362
That was not his masterpiece. That drug movie was. Permanent midnight?
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>>745900543
And I thought summer was over..
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>>745906362
This was just a joke.
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>>745900709
Does this apply to everyone who reads it?
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>>745906417
>Permanent midnight
>Ben Stiller
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>>745903531
Reservoir Dogs was also good.
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>>745906358
Thanks for your *fixed

After a quick googling, I found that Lindy Hemming was the one who actually designed the character.
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>>745906434
Of course. You can't possibly think anybody took that movie seriously
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>>745906464
That's the joke.
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>>745906481
Like i said, i'd like to re watch it in hopes of finding out why everyone likes it so much
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>>745906525
ohhhhh shhhhiiiittttttt
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>>745906545
Because it's good.
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>>745900939
The mask of the phantasm joker is my favorite too
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All problems have solutions; All solutions are in process,
Earth Wide; Needs must and workarounds,
Think think the best thing in the world,
Make knowledge out of it; infer,
Be happy with what you have; be sated,
Don't worry; Worry on food
Just do it; Breathe and breathe deep
Take steps; Plan the short term
Be happy; smile and try a laugh,
eat rice; plain steamed or fried rice,
Nobody ever really dies, do you believe that?
Though people do really live...
Rely on the facts; thoughts,
Solely on the truth; memories,
Hate is foolish; anger is a form of,
Love is wise; Politeness is a form,
Do your job; Your life's purpose,
AND; multitask,
Allow others to do theirs; judge slowly and accept quickly,
NEVER EVER USE THE LAST OF ANYTHING,
Cleanliness and a pencil and paper,
Fear is a lie,
Don't choose fear,
Love comes from the heart,
Love is value and strength,
Only the dead hear true jokes,
Only the living shine and glow bright,
Murder is wrong,
Pedophilia is wrong,
Accidents are natural,
We do not kill,
We do not exile,
All else is a breath of these 2 laws; breathe deep.

There are only two sins: thinking and doing the worst thing in the world.

There are only two virtues: Thinking and doing the best thing in the world.
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>>745906545
You wont live that long... :(
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>>745906377
There has been a modest uptick in fun movies lately, but goddamn for fucking years after the dark knight came out it was "half baked gritty reboot this" "half baked gritty reboot that" "you guys will pay to see anything as long as it's a gritty reboot right?" fucking garbage.

they tried to make fucking superman gritty. no superhero movie is realistic no matter how hard you try, but i think we all can see why batman was a good shot. but fucking superman? the very idea of the character is about as unrealistic as possible. heaven forbid you use the phrase "superman" in a movie about superman. o no! that would break the suspension of disbelief! because someone could have every conceivable power, but calling him "superman" just seems unrealistically stupid. *blows my brains out emoji*
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>>745906593
lawl
>>745906574
If you are the same dude who's been saying that to all my posts repeatedly then i commend you 10/10 effort
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>>745901423
One time they had to weigh my sister in eye so the doctor put us in a water tank because it's more accurate
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>>745906724
wut. How did they weigh her eye?
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>>745901423
Well he originally took the knife out to carve a smile...
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>>745903278
Looks like my xanax.
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>>745906765
By
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>>745906720
was goooood...
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Alright fags i'm leaving again. If this thread is still up by the time i finish another episode of outer limits i'm gonna shit an actual brick
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>>745907070
Go watch some Heath Ledger movie
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>>745902102
>I have to fast forward 2/3 of the movie in order to watch it and it's still worth it to me

You know I bet you could benefit from a psychiatric evaluation
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are you trolling?
if anyone it would have been that rapist jared leto who killed the joker completely
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>>745907149
*ejaculation
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>>745906545
The movie itself relies entirely on good writing, dialogue, and chemistry between actors.
If you notice, there were only about 5 sets the movie actually takes place in, and most of the action is implied, but in a subtle and believable way. It has a little bit of the behind the scenes mystery that pulp fiction did.
Most of the actors in the movie were paid very little and Harvey Keitel was instrumental in pulling together actors and producers to get it made because he believed in the script. Granted, it doesn't have as many iconic scenes as pulp fiction, and it's not quite as cohesive, but it's good storytelling.
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>>745906581
>shitposting hard as fuck
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>>745907303
Heeyy, thats Op.
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>>745899591
>>745902330
>the internet actually agrees on something for once
His Joker was complete dogshit.
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>>745906724
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loved most by people that have never touched a comic,
no shit lol. you sure an old fag
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>>745906242
Are you an idiot?
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>>745906285
>mfw absolutely shit anti troll tactics worked
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>>745907323
>>745907337
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>>745906505
Saved. Thanks for the factoid anon.
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>>745906505
Actually heath did his own makeup and then they had to copy it. The outfit and scars were not him.
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>>745906720
Nope.
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>>745906545
>I kept watching it, desperate to fit in with the pro-Batman movie crowd, which has been my adult dream for the past seven years

Yeah? Matrix fans not popular anymore?
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>>745907900
He's not talking about batman, dumbfuck. Read the thread
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>>745908404
Your just mad. Try harder
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>>745908664
He was talking about reservoir dogs
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>>745907528
You like that huh?
I'm back
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