Should someone be considered a pedophile if they have a powerful, distressing desire to cuddle with and otherwise show affection to children, but not to do anything sexual? I mean, if it's causing serious problems in his life, it must be some kind of psychological disorder, right? But is pedophilia the right word?
>>745866508
wanna categorize asexual pedophiles?
or are they just in denial and are just pedophiles?
>>745866508
Are you attracted sexually to children at all? Because while the etymology, "philia," means "friendly relationship," the psychological definition is sexual.
>>745866641
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I would totally cuddle that girl.
With my cock in her mouth.
If you know what I mean.
I mean I feel the same way about cats and I don't want to fuck them so you're good. Just don't cuddle with kids that aren't your own or related because that's uncomfortable
>>745866641
that was what i was thinking of responding to op, but i'm not clear whether or not asexual people have preferred age/gender of partners or if they're simply not attracted to anything.
>>745866508
i mean, i'm as much of a pedophile as it gets, but i've reached a point where sex is really far from the mind and all i really want is to have intimacy and closeness in the vein of cuddling. that isn't to say i wouldn't want to have sex, but sex is just one element of intimacy, and what is truly desired is intimacy, where sex is but one way to achieve that.
i understand. i used to work as a mall santa to fulfill. then one girl peed on me. so killed her and now i hate kids.
>>745866807
i dont know what you mean. I need you to go into graphic untutored detail to describe this foreign concept
>>745866641
Asexual pedophiles? That maybe sounds like a useful term. I don't know. Have to think about it. The current diagnosis of pedophilic disorder necessitates sexual attraction. It's in the DSMV. Would asexual pedophilia even make sense? How do we distinguish between sexual physical urges and other physical urges? Plenty of "sex acts" do not involve penetration or genitalia. How do we know what the difference is between hugging a child for sexual pleasure and hugging one for some other kind of pleasure?
>>745866998
the state of psychological understanding pedophilia is a joke and textbook definitions should be taken with a heap of salt
GO KILL YOURSELF YOU PIECE OF SHIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>745866886
Yeah, there's the issue of sexuality being a spectrum of desire that includes emotional intimacy and other things. Very difficult to define.
>>745867115
I think the diagnosis is very sensible... when it actually applies to the patient. I intuitively know that there is a distinct difference between a conventional pedophile and the type of person I'm speaking about, but I'm not sure how to really define it. Both are having distressing symptoms involving urges to have physical contact with prepubescent children.
>>745866641
Or they are just parents.
>>745866508
I wonder who's behind this one....
>>745867317
i've never heard of the type of person you are talking about. it just sounds like pedophilia to me. it just sounds like how i feel minus my sexual feelings.
the only other type of person i know of who is distressed by feelings about prepubescent children are people with POCD which is just an instance of obsessive compulsive disorder where the person has intrusive thoughts where they are terrified and obsessed that they might be a pedophile, even though they actually aren't.
>>745867208
>>745866702
I'm not talking about me. I'm a psychology student, and I'm referring to someone I know. I don't mind kids, but I can live without them.
>>745867370
Pffft. You're probably the fucking Jew.
>>745867608
he's probably in denial or afraid, reasonably so, to admit the sexual aspects of his feelings to another human being. you should not press him on this.
>>745867599
>>745866508
It's called wanting to be a father, anon.
>>745867841
Yeah, I'm thinking that might have something to do with it. Sometimes our instinctive drives come out in awkward ways that society just doesn't facilitate though.
>>745867841
forgot pic to include my reaction
>>745867608
>psychology student
don't you have a book faggot? why don't you ask your professor?
but yes >>745866508 is pedophilia is the right word because thats how it starts. Ironically almost all pedos swear they would never hurt a hair on their little heads or do anything to distress them in any way- only problem is shit escalates and most violence happens out of guilt or as a cover up because most pedos can't actually keep it in their pants, even if all they wanted was a cuddle in the first place.
>>745868060
are you also a psychology student? that sounds like something they would teach young up and comers in psychology classes.
>>745866508
What you're describing sounds like someone who just wants a child of their own and to become a parent.
At some point in your life, most people have the desire to have a parent/child relationship where they are the parent.
Biology, man.
>>745867952
Yeah, any dude who shows paternal affection for children is often slandered as a "pedophile",
>>745868060
But it may literally not be pedophilia, because it is not a "sexual" attraction. Or is it? We're assuming it's not.
>>745868189
>student
not anymore I'm 43
>>745868316
>>745867952
pedos in denial
seeing children as anything other than annoying useless pests makes you a pedo
>>745868411
it "literally" never is according to the pedos, is what I'm saying. Not all but a lot just want some pics, to cuddle, it's nothing sexual they swear.
non-pedos don't need pics of random people's children and don't find >>745866508 any more attractive than pic related (furfags excepted)
I have a theory that normal middle aged men are not attracted to teens, but that's based on my own "I'd rather bang their mom" when I see anything under 30 in a bikini. non-scientific in other words.
>>745866508
is your profession still hostile towards pedophiles
your mandatory reporting requirements make you look like a fucking joke by the way. real professionals like lawyers don't have things like that.
>>745868807
>>745868822
>>745868498
so... seeing them as cheap labor makes me a pedo?
>>745868913
i spotted the jew
>>745868822
that guy is not a profession that guy is probably not even a student
and mandatory reporting is only in the case of impending harm, the same way a professional would have to report a legitimate risk of murder in any of his clients
>>745868913
>>745868966
>>745869041
>>745869041
>mandatory reporting is only in the case of impending harm
thats not how it works in practice. being attracted to children is enough reason for a therapist to report you. there is no need for impending harm. they believe the fact that you are a pedo means there is impending harm.
>>745868807
Nah, I think you're just projecting your dislike of children. It explains a lot actually.
>>745869209
This is not true, if you want to keep claiming it is show some references.
>>745868807
>>745868822
Hell if I know. I'm not going to be the one to bring this stuff up. Someone else can be the maverick who changes the academic community's understanding of pedophilia forever and is later the subject of Hollywood drama. I'm not touching that shit.
>>745869209
it's a shame that you an a lot of pedos think that, because it's far less likely you'll seek treatment out of fear.
>>745869546
i'm waiting for op to answer my question. but i dont think anything has changed in 5 years.
>>745866508
What your experiencing is the desire to be a father.
>>745866508
Pedophilia exclusively involves sexual attraction.
It might qualify as some other things (or might not, would need to go further), but by definition if there's no sexual attraction it's not pedophilia any more than obsessive thoughts about killing children.
It's more likely a attachment disorder combined with reaching the point where you really want kids.
I was pretty meh about little kids most of my life, but around 28 I really started wanting to have kids, and now really want to cuddle every little kid I see, just out of affection (not to the point where it's distressing though). and i'm not sexually attracted to them til the tits start popping.
>>745869663
All I can say is, both counselors and psychiatrists in my area routinely do receive confessions of sexual attraction from patients and do not report them to the police just for that.
>>745869424
I've always thought kids are awesome though. I was actually disappointed that Child Psychology 320 was actually Child Development and had fuckall nothing to do with actual psychology.
>>745869871
What is the gist of what it was actually about if not psychology?
>>745869651
its all for the best because there is no "treatment"
psychologists don't know a fucking thing about the subject and they are never trained to deal with it. the majority are too incompetent to care. only a handful will care, but they will be beside themselves figuring out what to do or say for you.
>>745869610
your mentality is why your profession is a fucking joke and why mental health issues are not taken seriously in society.
>>745869821
what kinds of sexual attractions, anon? i'm talking about sexual attraction to children, not being a gay homo.
>>745869663
yeah >>745869663
regardless what you believe keeps you from seeking treatment, regardless of truth. personally I'm convinced you're a sick fucking pedo and reporting you would be absolutely warranted already.
https://youtu.be/5ww2JSZftfg
Watch This!!!!!
>>745869821
it depends on the psychiatrist. there's no legal duty to report if there's no impending harm (like admitting you want to fuck a kid you actually have access to and don't think you can control yourself), and if there's not impending harm, there's an ethical obligation to NOT report.
But psychologists/psychiatrists are human beings, and some of them are as rabidly anti-pedo as anyone else, and some can and do breach their confidentiality duty to get pedophile clients arrested, especially if theres something they know the cops can get them on like CP
>>745870040
so what you're saying is i'm not wrong. thank you.
>>745869871
I don't know man, I just find it kind of weird.Are you telling me you've never cuddled with your parents? It was the normal parental actions that I first thought with the OP, not pedophilia.
>>745869821
wait, how do you know that if they didn't break confidentiality?
>>745870286
confidentiality involves specific patients (or information detailed enough to infer a specific patient), they're allowed to talk about things in general anonymously
>>745870028
>your mentality is why your profession is a fucking joke and why mental health issues are not taken seriously in society.
Well, c'mon man. You can't just expect someone to risk social and career suicide by publishing reports challenging status quos that are as deeply entrenched as the whole pedophilia thing is in Western society right now. There has to be a social movement or something.
>>745870019
at 3 months they can't perceive depth
reds come before other color distinction
damn, I don't remember much more but it was all physiology and no psychology, or what little psychology was very little and late in the course and only normal procedural development.
It's been a damn long time and I mostly remember being heavily disappointed and basically checking out for anything but the bare minimum to ace the class.
>>745870436
why is it career suicide to address a serious mental health issue as a psychologist? thats the issue i am seeing, anon. there is not going to be a social movement as long as you faggots are contributing to snuffing us out.
>>745870286
They do occasionally tell little anecdotes without using names. They even do that with other patients. Nobody has ever gotten slapped for that in my state.
>>745870162
you are wrong about "them" reporting everything
you're not wrong about you yourself getting reported for cause, because I gather you're pretty sick and you know it
am I wrong about that?
>>745868807
>I have a theory that normal middle aged men are not attracted to teens
your "theory" is factually incorrect.
they've done studies with penile plethysmographs, so there's no lying about, since it objectively measures blood flow to your dick.
something like 80% of men are attracted to 14-17, and around 40% 11-13 (where the girl has indicators of development, breasts/hips starting to show)
>>745866508
>>745866508
If it's not sexual, then it's a natural tendency to nurture. It just means you desire to be a parent. But if you did it (cuddled) with other people's children that would be fucking weird. So the only way to get what you need is to go have sex with a woman and have a kid. So yes men have biological clocks too just like women.
>>745866508
As long as youre not a child molester or abuser I don't see a problem with your desire. It's still a weird desire though.
>>745870641
hypothetically there is a quahog state not part of the united states where you can go to discuss your feelings with no possible course or possibility of reprisal. in addition several pedos known to you (but who don't know you're a pedo) have done so and nothing has happened to them. it's basically a free opportunity that cannot come back on you in any way.
now.
do you go?
what exactly do you go for?
what outcome of going would you consider "success"?
>>745870715
you're pretty wrong about that. i am not wrong about there being therapists who jump the fucking gun and report, as this anon was putting it >>745870143
"all" therapists will not report, but i'm not taking a 10% chance of my life being trashed by some asshole who thinks he's a fucking hero, and neither should anybody else.
>>745870641
Same reason a molecular paleontologist can be fired for trying to publish data showing soft tissue recovery from dinosaur remains. There are some doctrines that you simply are not allowed to challenge. The onus is on pedophiles to instigate change, just like homosexuals did with all of their noise.
>>745870978
>it's weird to want to cuddle with little kids
only a /b/-grade autist could think like that
>>745868436
I picked my friends son today and ran around with him in the air like an airplane. I love kids and I want some of my own, I've always had paternal instincts. But I know now that I'm just a pedo. I don't know how I would have lived with myself. Without your insight I would have thought I was just a good father.
>>745871114
I guess..
>>745870725
damn, you know I've read that study too. I must be an outlier for MILFs (which technically are age appropriate) although I'd also swear 4chan has desensitized my penis to anything short of traps getting their nuts sliced off.
>>745866508
pedophelia is sexual attraction to children. wanting to cuddle with them is either a) you not admitting to the whole truth or b) just fucking weird
>>745871062
>i am not wrong about there being therapists who jump the fucking gun and report
I totally agree with you. And it's not heroics it's fear, pure fucking fear of their career going up in flames because you touched a kid and they neglected to report you.
I mean if some asshole murders his wife after talking to a pro, nobody gives a shit. Some asshole goes and touches a kid, it's end of the road for the psychologist.
But answer my other question please- how sick are you actually? From behind a proxy or whatever, call it professional curiosity.
>>745870725
I bet that study was done by feminist scientists. They keep pushing for a stat that 90% of men are pedophiles/hebes, which further puts men a pickle with laws and their "desire" to hurt female children.
>>745871061
depends, are you personally going to pay for my plane tickets and lodging as i shuttle myself back and forth to this state once every week for the rest of my fucking life?
i and two very close friends suffer from severe depression and suicidal thoughts as a result of social stigma and the feeling of isolation from humanity which come about from having pedophilia.
the only outcome i want is improvement in our overall mental health. but that is asking for too much from the mental health community.
>>745871099
its been tried for years, but assholes like you are a big part of the problem. all i am really asking is for your kind to stop sending people to the fucking gulag for admitting they like kids. fight this mandatory reporting bullshit. you are not responsible for not preventing someone elses harmful actions anyway.
>>745871713
Sage these you fucking cuck. I don't wanna see more pedo faggot bullshit on the front page by a fucking spiderman failfag
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/a9/70/d8/a970d88c0f6d3134f84e99427fcb0ca4--funny-pranks-funny-jokes.jpg
>dose this give you a boner?
>>745871837
>>745871865
lol
Age of consent is 14-16 in some countries.
So you clearly like young children.
See a shrink before you get arrested or shot by some kids parent op.
>>745871865
It's actually Spider-Man now. Stupid mandela effect.
>>745871679
it seems accurate to me. IIRC it was around 2-3% actual pedophilia (pre-pubescent) and <0.01% toddler/infant
don't forget, before 120 years ago, it wasn't even considered wrong to fuck girls who tits, pubes, and periods. it's an entirely natural thing, and was practiced openly by all cultures for all human history, besides the past 120 years.
it's *abnormal* to look at a girl who is biologically ready to reproduce and not be physically attracted to her.
and even now, 31 US states allow sex with 16 year olds.
Dozens of countries allow 15, a dozen more 14
that even 20% of men have been browbeaten by feminist propaganda into actually losing that attraction is pretty amazing
>>745871551
>>745871760
i dont know what you mean by how sick. it basically amounts to suicidal depression and a perpetual feeling of lonliness, isolation, and various social deficiencies which i fully attribute to the stigma i feel for being sexually attracted to children. if therapeutic help was available, which i will not allow myself to be convinced that it is, there is a multitude of pedophilia-specific issues i would like to have an opportunity to explore and address with the aid of someone who has professional experience with them.
both of my dearest friends are in the exact same boat as myself. in addition to the psychological problems i have, they have additional issues on top which are NOT pedophilia related, which they are fearful and unwilling to seek therapeutic help with out of fear of the way pedophiles are received by therapists.
>>745871837
>>745872083
14 years old is not considered pedophilia according to the standards laid out by psychologists
>>745872365
well first of all you should probably clarify; most people use pedophilia to describe things that aren't.
If you're attracted only to girls at 10-12 where the tits have started popping, a psych will inform you that's natural and doesn't even qualify as a mental disorder under the DSM-V
>>745872605
i'm attracted to girls as young as 4 and as old as 12 (but only if, as you put it, their tits have NOT started popping). i am exclusively attracted to girls in this age range. i have absolutely no attraction to anyone or anything male or female that falls outside of this criteria.
>>745872286
>don't forget, before 120 years ago
implying we haven't evolved socially which supercedes biology because most of us aren't complete morons and are able to control our primitive instincts as you would probably describe it.
The trend has been for age of consent to increase with our increasing life span. Back in the day the average life expectancy was in the 30's and 40's.
I was beaten by a feminist propaganda, I'm just educated and not obsessed with sex in a mentally ill way. But seeing as how you think it's normal it's quite apparent to me that you are mentally ill and think all men are the same as you.
>>745872605
hebephilia is still considered a mental disorder but nice try.
>>745872893
*wasn't beaten, I'm sure you'll say it was a Freudian slip tho lol
>>745866886
I understand this completely anon.
Sex is a way of showing affection.
>>745871760
>the only outcome i want is improvement in our overall mental health. but that is asking for too much from the mental health community.
I don't see how you can get around taking that chance, if only because it's better than the alternative at some point. Maybe go for treatment and cop to being a furfag and ostracized for that, get coping strategies for that (the social ostracization) and hope they apply to your actual problem. I mean it's patently bad advice, but in the face of self-harm or other alternatives it's really all I can think of.
>>745871760
>you are not responsible for not preventing someone elses harmful actions anyway.
actually that's not true
Sex is awesome, everyone loves sex. That there's some arbitrary age where it somehow flips from something good to something terrible is kinda stupid.
There's concern about the harm sure, but in reality that's almost exclusively 1 of 2 things: Abuse/coercion that would be bad regardless of age, and learned victimhood, where someone becomes convinced sex was wrong simply because it's been drilled into them that they're a victim of a horrible crime.
Research like Rind et al. called this fact out, and people freaked out. But the research has stood up.
There's plenty to be said about lack of capacity, but since we're not talking about something that's intrinsically bad, there's no good argument to deny someone who's reached the age of reason, and can cogently express whether they want to participate or not, the right to do so.
>>745871862
it certainly wasn't funny
>>745871760
>its been tried for years, but assholes like you are a big part of the problem. all i am really asking is for your kind to stop sending people to the fucking gulag for admitting they like kids. fight this mandatory reporting bullshit. you are not responsible for not preventing someone elses harmful actions anyway.
Well, I would never do anything like that. Jeez.
>>745873317
>>745873307
>>745873275
>>745873251
>>745873003
Incorrect. Some groups tried to force the DSM-V authors into expanding pedophilia into pedohebephilic disorder to include hebephilia, but there was very strong backlash, because of the reality of it being a normal thing, and the definition remained unchanged. Being attracted to people who have started puberty is not a mental disorder according to the DSM-V and all that use it, end of story.
>>745872893
To say that our social norms have evolved in one thing. To say that this evolution overlaps biological evolution (that takes more than 120 years, the life expectancy was so short because of all the disease that was rampant and our lack of immunity and weak medicinal knowledge in comparison to what we know) is something else.
I don't defend what the other guy said, I don't think it's normal in society. But if you say that we have evolved socially, and considering people have repressed desires that they try to dissimulate (it's not rare to have a father hating on his daughter's bf because, subconsciously, he is attracted to her), our evolution only concerns social norms and not what is truly biological and carnal. Would you disagree with that point of view? We haven't learned to control our primitive instincts, we're trying to shut them down, because we ostracize whoever does not conform with our current social norms. With that in mind, while we may have evolved socially, we have devolved on the carnal level. Carnal isn't always bad, and it doesn't mean having sex 24/7.
>>745873307
>Rind et al.
Ah yeah the pedophiles wet dream in research which was later debunked by many other studies.
>>745866508
Wtf did i just read
You need to reevaluate your existence
>>745872837
Theres no future if you're attracted to people of that age. You'd only waste your time because once the girl turns 13 or gets boob's you'd lose attraction. Just try to move on and date girls closer to your age. You'll be more happier.
>>745873307
I believe that many people working in abuse counseling secretly know this. There's really lots of weird projecting going on with the whole cultural vitriol regarding sex and age that we have going on.
>>745872893
The average life expectency was 30s-40s because of infant mortality. Once you made it past early childhood, expectency was 60s-70s.
And you're missing the distinction between having urges and acting on them. Social mores only supercede actions, not innate urges. The sexual attraction exists at the same time social convention restrains acting on it. But it doesn't disappear.
And you conclude with calling me mentally ill, because i think men are generally like me... because the science is wrong and you're right?
>>745873516
If you say so, but then I'm not you, I don't have those desires never have. I'm married and have two children and never once had the desire to molest my kids. I think perhaps you missed out on something as a child which makes you seek out a desire for a sexual interest in children. No doubt you've spent a great deal of time researching the topic to pick and choose what you feel mostly describes how you feel about it. I doubt your fetish/mental illness will ever gain mainstream norms for obvious reasons to someone who is sane.
>>745867699
Projecting much?
>>745867208
>>745873537
It wasn't, actually. Start with the Wikipedia article on it.
>>745873275
>actually that's not true
legally speaking, i am aware, that is correct, per the way things currently operate in our society.
are you really a psychology student? how would pretending to be a furfag help me? i don't even know what furfags think. i'm not going to lie about how i feel to a psychologist. that will only make me feel shittier about myself and my position in life. additionally i have issues which can only be understood in the context of me having these sexual attractions. that's incredibly bad advice anon, and i will stick to the "other alternatives" as they will be less harmful to me psychologically.
>>745873411
i have little regard for your profession and the caliber of people who enter it so you will have to forgive me for obstinately not believing that.
>>745873733
you might as well ask me to date a horse. i agree though, there is no future for me and i'm only wasting my time.
>>745873733
"Try to move on"
That's like saying 'just try to grow a third arm'. If there is no attraction to older girls, there's no hope for him. It's actually documented, I can link you to a mini documentary on this pedophile who was never able to date older women, I mean, he tried but he failed because there was no chemistry.
Pedophiles are cursed to forever suffer. Unless they go crazy and start having hallucinations that contribute to their libido, which is perhaps even worse because then the risk for them assaulting little girls is even higher. They didn't ask to be this way, and most of them come from abusive households.
>>745873942
>>745868189
>young up and comers
>>745872365
>i feel for being sexually attracted to children
that's what I meant. how sick of a pedo are you? I get you're fucking depressed and socially ostracized, and that's what you'd seek treatment for, but how big is the bomb you'd try to hide while seeking that treatment:
how young? m/f/both?
actual sexual fantasies?
would a realdoll help?
were you molested?
did you get reported before? what for exactly?
>>745872837
would you ever act on it?
>>745873883
If you're trying to tell me that I'm attracted to kids and want to fuck them but I don't because of society then yes you are definitely mentally ill. It's like saying I would murder someone because it's in my primal nature to murder and to eat meat etc... Anyway good luck with that disorder, not sure there's much help for your kind.
>>745873956
wikipedia is really weird about their articles on pedophilia. generally they believe anything that casts pedophiles in less than a bad light is a surefire sign that they are a pedophile. per wikimedia's rules, anyone who is a pedophile is expressly forbidden from registering an account or editing articles on their sites. they are continually waging a witch-hunt against pedophiles because years ago some really bad pedophile groups kind of organized to push agendas on wikipedia. it's really fucking weird.
>>745873956
keep on searching you'll find other studies too, more recent ones. good luck pedo.
>>745874172
If you're trying to tell me most men aren't sexually attracted to a 16 year old girl with D tits and wide hips, you're the insane one here buddy.
Most men are, it's a scientific fact, not an opinion. Just because you're not doesn't mean that most men aren't. They can lie about it verbally, but actual peer-reviewed published and replicated research, using an objective measure (getting a boner) proves it true.
>>745873997
>i have little regard for your profession and the caliber of people who enter it so you will have to forgive me for obstinately not believing that.
Like I said before, I have never personally learned of an incident in my area where anyone working in counseling, psychiatry, or applied psychology has reported someone to law enforcement merely for being a pedophile. I think that may be an irrational fear on your part, but the laws are different in every state.
>>745874331
it's not that weird, because personally I don't want you molesting my kid. no offense.
>>745873926
How can you say that you don't have them? Do you know all aspects of your mind? Do you even know how psychology functions? There is a part of your mind that is conditioned by carnal desires, instant gratification, feeling good and not feeling bad. I'm not saying you're attracted to your daughters, but how can you decisively deny your carnal nature? How can you say 'I am just not attracted to them, that's not true!'? How do you know that it is not the product of social conditioning? After all, and, as you know, 120 years ago, without these social norms, people were having sex with little boys AND girls left and right. It was super common in the past, because the social norms were different.
If we take human beings from recent eras and place them in two different social situations with different norms, and if one person from one situation is attracted to little girls (or anything that has a hole, really) and the other isn't, knowing that biologically they are VERY similar, then is it not clear and obvious that the only reason we're not attracted to little girls actively is social norms?
I'm not saying it's normal, and I am not defending pedos in this thread. I'm not one of them. I just try to broaden my horizons, and I will never endorse any form of child abuse. But, don't you think that the fact you have two daughters, and the fact that you would be disgusted with yourself if you were attracted to them (much like any sane parent would), keeps you from understanding the other point of view?
>>745874383
Since it's so easy why don't you provide a cite?
>>745874060
see
>>745872837
>actual sexual fantasies?
duh
>would a realdoll help
no. but i enjoy the company those threads bring.
>were you molested?
i never understood this question. no.
did you get reported before?
no. i have only read other anecdotes and horror stories and seen the way people treat us.
>>745874163
>would you ever act on it
thats a stupid question. by jacking off to 2d porn and ideas in my head i am already "acting on it." rephrase your question to be more specific.
>>745874331
Yet the articles are actually neutral and fact-based, like the one I'm talking about.
Look how upset it's making that other guy, he's devastated that Wikipedia isn't lying about imaginary studies that disprove the others.
>>745866508
How does this pic make you feel, OP?
>>745874443
attracted to 16? at a minimum sure. Would I fuck one or have anything in common with one? Hell no. I enjoy social intercourse along with someone who is more experienced as opposed to immaturity. 16 is like the norm for most countries in the world where it isn't necessarily considered pedophilia. But don't delude yourself that because of it, it makes it normal and an excuse for you to molest <16.
>>745873997
Find a girl your age or a little younger with a youful face and date her. The only difference would be it's legal.
>>745873926
(cont)
The point I'm trying to make is that, given the circumstances, it's not actually insanity to be attracted to little girls when the only thing that makes us repress those things are social conditions. Of course, crossing the line between the desire and, say, rape or sexual assault is absolutely insane in psychology, because then, there's an imbalance in your mind (in terms of who you are and the dominance of the carnal part of your mind).
It used to be mainstream, and if you were in a society that deemed it mainstream, if you were born 120 years ago, how do you think you would feel about it? Would you mean to say that all human beings 120 years ago were mentally ill? Our biology, at least our brains, can't evolve in a century in significant manners. It's social conditioning.
>>745874725
You still seem to think I'm talking about acting on the attraction. I'm not.
>>745874543
Yeah I got a BS in psychology. You are definitely mentally ill. no offense. but I'm in graduate school now and everything you're trying to defend only reinforces the fact that you can't be helped without years of therapy.
>>745866508
Kill yourself pedo.
>>745874699
i'm only advising to not blindly trust wikipedia articles due to a known bias that is deeply rooted in the wikipedia community. some articles are okay some have issues, others are pretty good.
>>745874774
Easier said than done when most girls use buckets loads worth of make up which makes them look older
its called being an uncle
>>745873997
>are you really a psychology student?
like I said I am no longer a student.
being socially ostracized as a furfag, and I mean hardcore your entire persona is your furry, you're furkin, your job, family and any standing you have in society would be forever wrecked if say you were identified at a convention or online, etc. basically everything about being one abomination (pedo) translated to another (furfag). thus you have a legitimate, albeit constructed, reason to feel socially ostracized and depressed in EXACTLY the way you do now, eg.ie. the very thing you actually want help for (not the prayoutthegay equivalent of fixing your pedophilia) then ostensibly you should get some tools and advice to cope with the depression, anxiety or and stigma. hopefully apply those tools to your situation and improve your mental situation.
and again, it's spurious advice, it's like telling you to order snow pants because your head is cold, but short of networking in the pedo community and having safe doctors identified (and even then you never really know what that person said or how they said it) which is risk, risk, and risk I really can't think of anything else to suggest.
Focus on what you really want help with- the depression, accepting the stigma instead of letting it fuck you up, etc. instead of focusing on the pedo problem and getting reported basically.
>>745866508
If I caught you sniffing around a child I'd go to prison eagerly for the opportunity to watch the light in your eyes fade to black. It's a thing. A wild almost uncontrollable urge to slaughter weirdos fucking with children but as luck would have it my particular disorder is useful to society and desirable universally to parents. Watch your back.
>>745868301
Man... right in the feels.
>>745874699
It's right there on wikipedia. Can you read or do you only cherry pick what you want out of those studies so that you can say it's normal to be a disgusting pedophile? Goback2 the dark web where you can masturbate and talk about molesting children all night with your fellow sexually deviant sickos.
>>745874866
Again, I'm not a pedophile. I'm a psychology student, second year now. But perhaps you understand more than me indeed. You saying you have a BS doesn't prove me wrong. Maybe it's just the fact that even after a BS in psychology, you can't accept how disgusting human beings are in their carnal nature.
Go ahead, prove me wrong. I assure you that it's much better to prove people wrong with sound arguments rather than personal insults. Especially when I keep saying I'm not a pedophile. I just don't block out disgusting thoughts like "Is pedophilia valid?", I study human nature.
>>745868436
>"You want to have the urge to have and raise kids of your own? You're a pedo!"
You're exactly who I was talking about. Go be a sterile homo somewhere else.
>>745874866
>Psychology is based of facts
>psychology is a real science
at your meme degree
>>745866508
If its entirely no sexual not even in desire then no you wouldn't be a pedo but you're not okay either
>>745874721
not op but looks like fun
>>745874455
these types of things generally do not get publicized. if i could, i would produce stories that would make your stomach turn. however the self help forum they are hosted on appears to currently be inaccessible to me. i guess that means you win. nothing bad has ever happened to anyone before.
>>745874866
>mentally ill
>gays and lesbians
libtard stop being the moralfag
>>745875047
hahahaha right now there are hundred of guys molesting litte girls and you are here being triggered over a harmless pedo
>>745875131
>>745875131
>Kek at your meme degree
>>745866508
maybe you have baby fever. I love giving my daughter hugs.
IMO, even if the "pedo"'s feelings start out as chaste as OP suggests, eventually they'll have built up an unrealistic ideal/image of the child in question, and become attracted to that instead. Once that happens, the sexual attraction is inevitable, unless they have some outlet to satisfy it.
Pa/maternal instincts are present in people who don't have children. Kids are adorable and letting them know their loved and safe is instinctual, so wanting to treat them almost like a kitten (which we treat like babies) is somewhat natural.
The overwhelming desire, though, I'm not qualified to speak on. I don't have children of my own, but the instinct to protect my neices and nephews is there. I sure as shit don't want to cuddle with any of those monsters, though.
>>745866508
I was molested, and I am lucky. I could have caught his sickness, but I didn't. I do like young guys, but After that final growth spurt 17-20. I really have little desire to hit on someone half my age.
>>745874629
>thats a stupid question.
I think you know what I meant or you wouldn't have had that reaction.
>never understood this question.
molested kids are more likely to molest, or be pedo to frame it in the current discussion. recreation of a feeling, recapture or relive a moment, share the experience etc. it's not universal in either sense (not all molested, and not all molesters) but it's fairly common.
do you know or suspect where your feelings come from?
>inb4 my pants
>>745875047
Woah you sound like badass I'll make sure not mess with you
>>745874725
Let's take this well known whore-of-the-month.
Look at those giant tits and hips.
You're going to make a seriously argument that, no matter how socially unacceptable it is to actually do anything, most men aren't going to find her sexually appealing (until she opens her mouth at least)?
She's 14. And in countries like Germany and Italy, that's actually old enough for anyone to have sex with. A dozen 80 year olds could gangbang her there (and even more countries) legally
>>745874774
thats really unhelpful advise anon and i can't count the number of time's i've heard it. i'm not attracted to adult women no matter what they look like.
>>745875022
i'm not going to go to a therapist and talk in metaphors and try to get him to understand why i'm really bummed that i can't raise a child because i dress up as sonic the hedgehog. there is nothing that therapist can do for me.
the good news is depression and suicide is completely self treatable without the help of a therapist. or so i am told. i have been working that with me and my friends for 4 years now but currently we have all slid back into our old ways.
i can tell you are no longer a student because you are giving really bad advice. please stop suggesting this, it is not a valid suggestion for me or for other pedophiles.
>>745875340
>Citation needed.
>>745875073
You stopped reading right after the first section on challenges to it. Read the whole article.
>>745875506
she just looks old. not interested
>>745875444
Tell us about your molestation, I'm always curious to hear a victim's story.
>>745875444
Maybe it's like herpes. If everyone was a pedo, it wouldn't matter.
>>745866886
I am attracted to people in my mind. I don't enjoy sex like other people. I only fap about once a month when pressure gets to be too much. I am done within 5 mins, and meh.
>>745866777
Is no one gonna check this?
>>745866508
'Pedophile' and 'pedosexual' have become coflated to have the same meaning.
>>745875547
I said IMO, dipshit.
I can't cite third-party sources for personal experience.
>>745875186
I don't know what you could say that would make my stomach churn. Nothing has ever shocked me in my entire life. I read the worst literature, watch the worst movies, do the worst drugs, collect the worst images, you get the picture. I've even gone to prisons and had Bible studies with real child molesters, and also a serial killer.
>>745868359
>>745868213
>>745868183
>>745868150
>>745867487
PETER!
>>745875722
not gonna get your jollies over me. I stopped being a victim years ago.
>>745875947
Your sound like a faggot and your shit is all retarded
>>745875047
I'm not even describing myself in my post. You are deranged. You are probably just as much of a threat to society as child molesters. Maybe you'll hurt a completely innocent person someday.
>>745866807
know what you mean
>>745876121
What, the words are too long for you?
>>745876101
Good on you m8 you didn't fell for the you'll be a scared victim for life meme
If I were Pedo, I'd give myself to a lab. Cure that shit. Do you think they will always offend in their lifetime?
>>745876239
see theres that fag talk again
>>745876121
GO AWAY, BAITIN'!
>>745866807
I do not know what you mean please elaborate my friend
>>745875459
i imagine it is a crosswiring in my brain that was formed during fetal development, which is one of the bigger theories that has medical evidence in support of it.
as far as "acting on it" i don't really know what that means. even cuddling one nonsexually is a form of "acting on my feelings"
if you're asking me hypothetical questions about what i would or would not do, i can't really answer honestly questions about situation's i've never been in and will never find myself in. but i do know that i'm enough of a depressed virgin forever alone faggot that i could conceivably get a little touchy feely with a child under the wrong conditions. the idea of physically harming or pschologically pressuring someone into doing something makes me really ill though.
>>745875975
the story i had in mind was the story of someone who didn't do anything wrong except confess to their parents about the sexual feelings they had. the parents, out of fear and woeful ignorance, thought talking to a therapist would help anon. anons therapist reported him to the police. anons house was raided, electronics stolen, the whole shebang. anon was deemed a threat to his younger brother (he was only attracted to girls...) and put into a halfway house. the halfway house closed down and he was moved from one place to another that was deemed "fit" for "sex offenders". he was never able to find a job or proper housing. i don't think he was ever really allowed to see his brother except under the supervision of armed guards. he never downloaded cp or did anything wrong. all he did was confess he had an attraction to little girls.
>>745876359
Eat shit.
>>745876239
>>745876369
Is a meme you dip
>>745875947
1)How many pedophiles have you met that started with chaste feelings and developed sexual urges?
2) Do you know what selection bias is?
>>745875818
Isn't "pedosexual" a term coined by pedophiles themselves that means essentially the same thing, but is removed from the stigma associated with "pedophile"? I believe both terms simply refer to someone who possess a sexual attraction to prepubescent children.
>>745876491
wow
it's originally from a movie, 'go away, baitin'!' is from the same movie.
>>745866508
There is something really fucking wrong with our society when a guy who wants to cuddle and take care of children is worried he might have a mental illness. And other people are actually agreeing with him (seriously, 'asexual pedophilia'? Really?)
THIS IS HOW NORMAL HUMAN BEINGS FEEL ABOUT CHILDREN
Do you people never wonder /why/ western societies have to load their population up with psychoactive medication in order to keep functioning? Why American pop xanax and zoloft like they're smarties? Why depression is an endemic illness?
It's because our culture is sick. Human beings weren't designed to live like this. And the biggest irony is that when someone comes along who isn't quite as loaded with neuroses as the general population, he's treated like /he's/ the one who's mentally ill.
>>745873516
>>745872893
Our society hasn't evolved. It has warped.
> I'm just educated and not obsessed with sex in a mentally ill way
You mean indoctrinated to be sexually repressed. Sex is supposed to be one of the strongest, most innately hard-wired biological drives we have. If you think you can educate yourself out of that you're in for a nasty shock.
>are able to control our primitive instincts
Do you mean control? Because I think you mean suppress. Which I'm sure is going to turn out to be totally healthy in the long run.
>>745876567
it was coined to mock the sjws.. take their homosexual, bisexual, transsexual, then try to get them to include pedosexual
>>745876567
it sounds like it might have been a term they coined to try to bring themselves closer to "homosexuals" to try to latch onto their rights movement or something.
but i think i've also seen the term used to describe someone who has or advocates for sex with children.
a new term will get created every few years and then get misused to hell and then brushed under the rug. it's a fucking clusterfuck.
>>745876636
Easy to troll ain't ya m8
>>745876528
Besides myself? None, since it's not something I would talk about outside of here.
Also no.
Honestly, it's bad enough that I think and feel this way, I'd rather not learn any more about it than I already do.
>>745876441
>the story i had in mind was the story of someone who didn't do anything wrong except confess to their parents about the sexual feelings they had. the parents, out of fear and woeful ignorance, thought talking to a therapist would help anon. anons therapist reported him to the police. anons house was raided, electronics stolen, the whole shebang. anon was deemed a threat to his younger brother (he was only attracted to girls...) and put into a halfway house. the halfway house closed down and he was moved from one place to another that was deemed "fit" for "sex offenders". he was never able to find a job or proper housing. i don't think he was ever really allowed to see his brother except under the supervision of armed guards. he never downloaded cp or did anything wrong. all he did was confess he had an attraction to little girls.
That's a good story about how we don't live in the future just yet. My stomach remains unchurned though.
What are you gonna do about all of that though. You can tell me. If that shit had happened to me, maybe I'd pay that quack therapist a visit and see how he likes having his life ruined.
>>745876803
yeah it's like actually thinking someone would be that stupid is unreasonable... oh wait
>>745869102
Samefag gtfo
>>745876747
So, what's your reductionistic hypothesis about why everything is fucked up?
>>745876775
that's the pro-contact vs anti-contact pedophiles
>>745876928
that therapist is just one of thousands. also im a bad story teller and don't remember most of it. sorry i was unable to make you feel anything from it. it had a really strong impact on me, as well as other similar stories i encountered. but i guess these stories are more applicable to myself and the world i live in than they are to others.
>>745866508
Go kill yourself.
>waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah
the only thing i really want out of life is to make a cute girl so happy that she starts to uncontrollably cry but i know nothing like that will ever happen
>>745877114
At what point did I say that there was one explanation for why /everything/ is fucked up?
It should be obvious what I'm talking about. As a species we're about 150k years old, and for approximately 149, 900 years we lived in close-knit groups that averaged about a hundred a fifty people, of /all/ age ranges. Children were 'ready' for sex when they hit puberty, and people married and started having children in their mid-teens to early twenties.
Contrast that to today. How many people have no real close friends? It happens so often - people move cities for work or education, lose touch with the friend networks they had and don't make new ones. Even for the people who do socialise, how many do so only superficially?
How many people don't know any children, or any old people for that matter? Do you understand how unique it is that we live in a society where it would actually be possible to segregate convicted pedophiles from children?
How many people don't get married and start having children until their thirties. Or don't have children at all? Again, this is fucking bizarre behaviour by the standards of the vast majority of people who have lived throughout history.
the tl;dr is that human psychology isn't designed to deal with the kind of social relationships our culture creates these days.
>>745878090
>where it would actually be possible to segregate convicted pedophiles from children?
what usually happens is the restrictions are so great the pedophiles end up in a state of state sponsored homelessness. in some town in florida they were literally forced to live under a bridge, and the police would sometimes bring them food rations. i wonder if its the same town that denied entry to hurricane shelters to anyone on the sex offender's registry.
>>745866508
I don't think so. I love cuddling kids and playing with them (not that way you sick fucks) but I have no desire for any kind of sexual contact with them and I'm definitely not asexual.
>>745877449
geez- OP- this subject has upset people who have little reading comprehension skills.
>>745878090
I was being sarcastic, but I enjoyed your response, and agree that the breakdown of normal social relationships is likely an enormous factor underlying many social ills that exist today.
>>745878287
They're just going to end up forming a pedophile religion, or even a small pedophile country or something.
>>745876928
>That's a good story about how we don't live in the future just yet.
I don't know what decade you're living in, but here in 2017 mental health professionals have a legal obligation to report patients who have A) done something illegal, or B) might pose a threat to others.
>>745877714
well, i've considered the strategy of finding a woman who wants kids, but is so hideously unattractive or deformed no man wants to father a child with her.
then stay with her just long enough to knock her up and have her give birth, then just take custody of the kid.
bonus points once you have a little kid, lots of women are interested in a single dad
>>745877714
This reminds me of people that find children obnoxious; I actually find children bearable, heck they're even sometimes cute. If you want obnoxious you should try a puppy, fuckers makes more noise than any crying toddler I've seen.
>>745879056
But the kid didn't necessarily pose a threat to others. He wasn't planning to commit a crime and therefore had no reason to be arrested. He was honestly just trying to get help so he WOULDN'T offend, and that alone, I think, is a very brave thing.
>>745879056
it's actually only B
there's no obligation to report crimes unless they're specific, in the future, and serious
>>745879133
What makes you so sure you'd gain custody, though? Or that the kid wouldn't turn out like the mother?
>>745879133
people tell me to try that but i dont have it in me to fake interest in a woman i guess... do courts even let men take custody of children in divorce situations like that though?
>>745879277
there's no obligation but they'll do it anyway if they only have a vague fear. there's no real repercussion of doing so.
>>745879169
it changes over time too... just yesterday a hyper 2 year old was sitting next to me on the subway, yelling and bouncing around constantly accidentally kicking me... 10 years ago that would have pissed me off, but yesterday when her mom started apologizing i just laughed, told her it was no trouble at all, and her daughter was adorable
>>745879412
>>745879440
custody goes to women by default, BUT if the moms a drug addict sitting in jail on drugs charges for the kilo the cops found in her trunk and the coke, heroin, and meth they found in her urine sample...
TBH it's sad how there's probably a few harmless pedos out there that probably would treat most kids better than most parents would. Most parents these days are really shitty and neglectful. Not a pedo but just saying . Also when I say treat better I mean more caring.
>>745879760
jesus anon i would rather you go to the phillipines or whatever the current child sexploitation meme country is and take an unwanted child up off the streets.
unless you pick a drug addict from the get-go, but the health of the baby will take a hit.
>>745879973
i regularly see shit-tier parents mistreating their kids, and i KNOW i'd do better than them
>>745879973
>>745880107
oh, that said, you have no fucking idea how refreshing it is to encounter parents who are super chill and top notch with their kids, who know how to be patient and how to talk to them, and who actually clearly love and enjoy raising them and are doing an excellent job. it seems very rare. when it happens it makes me feel really happy.
>>745880107
You could adopt a kid but if youre op I dont know if you should.
>>745880107
it's even harder to adopt as a single man than to find some desperate woman to impregnate.
besides i want a white kid. and there's poor white countries but you'd still have to spend a fortune to legally adopt from there.
you seemed to have missed what i was getting though.. the women isn't a drug addict.
>>745878728
>>745878287
>They're just going to end up forming a pedophile religion, or even a small pedophile country or something.
More likely they're going to be herded into prison camps.
It's already begun. A lot of states have started not releasing pedophiles when they've served the sentence for whatever they were convicted for. They get sent straight out of prison to a 'treatment program' in a 'hospital'. It's essentially just a prison with slightly more doctors on staff. The pedophiles are required to take part in the treatment program, or they're held to have violated their parole. What's the first step of the treatment program? Admitting to all the sexual crimes you've committed over the years. If you don't give the doctors more instances of your deviant sexual behaviour then you're considered to be not cooperating with the treatment program and sent back to regular prison (with no special protections, which is basically a death sentence). If you have done more bad shit then obviously you need to stay in the treatment program even longer. Catch-22. Inmates actually have to keep cheat-sheets hidden under their beds to keep track of all the shit they've supposedly done.
It's life in prison via the back door. No courts, no juries, no judges and no lawyers. Just two doctors willing to sign off and say that the 'patient' still needs further treatment. To be clear, this isn't something they reserve for the worst of the worst. Raping a child is mandatory life without parole in most states now anyways, so the worst of the worst never get that far. At the moment they're only doing it to convicted pedophiles who are about to be released, but there's no legal barrier to them picking up pedophiles who aren't in prison and having them committed.
>>745880441
It would be harder for them to do this to a pedophile who had never committed any actual crime, since its a lot easier to do to someone who is on parole or probation. But the laws on psychiatric commitment don't require someone to have committed a crime - there just has to be a statement from a psychiatric professional that the person poses a danger to themselves or others.
I can very easily see in the near future someone going to their therapist and confessing to having pedophilic thoughts, and being referred to a 'specialist treatment centre'. Once they're in, the same kafkaesque system that's already used on paroled sex offenders traps them there.
>>745880372
i'm not op and i dont think i should. it would make me happy. but im having a difficult enough time living for one. id probably diddle her one day anyway and it probably wont hurt her but it probably will who is to say.
>>745879268
>But the kid didn't necessarily pose a threat to others.
He's a pedophile with access to children (his younger sibling). That enough to count as a threat. I'm serious: current doctrine is basically that any pedophile with access to children will always offend.
>>745866508
Cuddle with your own kids, Feels comforting. , Cuddle with someone else's kid, and its pedo.
>>745880426
new computer and lost 500 spiderman pics so i appriciate you dumping, i just need more classic ones like "jesus take the wheel" and the birds/flying moustaches please anon
>>745880695
Unless you're a girl. Seriously, there's a massive double standard.
>>745866508
You can get fucked up by not doing anything.
We had a cook out on labor day out by the pool. Maybe 15 folks.
Sitting around with my parents and other adults talking about junk.
neighbors 12 yo daughter comes by to join discussion.
She is in bikini
No place to sit so she says will sit in Anon's lap
no biggie, she has done this since she was 2. I am basically her big brother.
Only now she is 5' 3" and is starting to fill out.
sitting on my lap she gets bored and wants me to go swim with her.
Not now I say
She has a fit and is bouncing up and down. As she bounces her top bunches up and I can see perfect a/b titties and her pink nips.
She jumps up yells "whats that anon?"
pointing at my rock hard in my shorts
I stand there like a deer in the headlights
conversation comes to a close as folks figure out what happened.
I end up having to move out of my parents home and my neighbor has a restraint order keeping me 500 yards from his daughter.
I broke no law so did not get arrested.
>>745880828
it's insane... they complain about no male teachers in elementary school sometimes, then you read some of the bullshit men would have to deal with
like if a crying child tries to hug you, that's not allowed and you have to push them away. how the fuck could anyone do that to a kid? but if you didn't you'd be fired. obviously the rule isn't enforced for women.
>>745866508
No.
Because then almost all women would be proven pedophiles.
>>745880852
I don't believe your story. Surely the average person witnessing a situation like that would be insightful enough to understand what happened.
If you're being truthful though, imagine what that incident taught that girl about sex. One moment she is just sitting on the lap of an older friend, the next moment, she has accidentally caused a major fallout just because of something something your boner. From the perspective of a 12 year old, that must have seemed surreal.
>>745867952
>>745868316
Yep and as time goes by public minds go shit housed
>>745879670
Have symbiote loli instead
>>745869745
Til the tits start popping
>>745881662
>symbiote loli
reminds me of Power Pack/Spider-Man crossover
>>745880441
>>745880466
But that's all a-okay because this only happens to pedophiles, and letting the government get away with ignoring even the most basic forms of due process will in no way backfire on anyone at any point.
>>745881324
well by 12 it's much more likely she knew exactly what is was, and was trying to playfully embarass him, unaware of the psychotic reaction it elicits from adults.
even if her parents tried to shelter her, she would have her all about boners from her friends by that age
Am I a pedo if I think a 16 year old with a young looking face is hot?
>>745881324
>>745881931
Like I said, since she was ~2 I was always the "big Brother" in her life so me having that sort of physical reaction seemed to have caught her by surprise.
Her dad is the one driving this but guess it is to be expected when you have some 23 yo neighbor boy getting a chubby from your 12 yo's lap dance. in public, in front of friends and a co worker (wonder if that was office gossip?)
>>745882328
This question is easily answered by isolating variables.
Are you a pedophile if you think a 16 year old with a paper bag on her face is hot?
No, so no.
