Anon, how old were you when you grew out of capitalism and realized socialism is the logical future?
Let's clear some things up about socialism:
>You retain personal property ownership
>You are not a government drone. The govt does not control what you do with your life so long as it is not harmful.
>It is not a welfare state. It is a society for the workers. Not the mooching owners and not the mooching welfare queens.
>Competitiin and profit incentives still exist but it is the workers who see the profits, not the useless owners.
The owners, capitalists, bankers, investors are plagues. They are vestigial organs turned cancerous. They are useless anchors to society.
DOWN WITH THE BOURGOUISIE
DOWN WITH THE FAT CATS
BASH THE FASH
WORKERS UNITE
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MOA is completely within their rights to do this. It's their property, so if they don't want someone there, they can have them removed.
>>715249236
And that is the issue. No one polices the police ie no one has a check on authority
>>715249409
what about the venus project it is the only thing i keep coming back to I met him also.
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>>715249457
is that you on the left?
im not familiar with the venus project so i could not say.
>>715248440
Yeah.
Capital gains.
Bitch.
>>715248248
isn't it funny that the maker of this comic assumes all gun nuts are like this.
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>>715249588
yea thats me it is basically technocratic socialism . Resource based economy. How much materiel do we have instead of paper money.
i have pictures of his property if you want
>>715249409
how is this an issue, exactly? People can hold any kind of (peaceful) demonstration they wan if they do it on public property. If they wanna do it on private property, they need permission from the owner of the property. otherwise, it's trespassing.
Every socialist economy has failed. Citizens live in poverty. Do some research. What incentive exists to become a doctor, start a business, or become a plumber if you would make a comperable amount working a cash register? None
>>715249955
to surf the cosmic waves. Explore. why else did evolution give us the ability to think abstractly and contemplate the nature of our reality. I will be in the lab until the day I die.....
>>715249602
That is exactly the point anon. Glad you caught it.
Too bad you didnt interpret it correctly though. That was not an attack on gun rights, but a highlight of hypocrisy.
>>715249594
Unfortunately so.
And unless you are wealthy, you are also the bitch.
>>715249754
nice sleeve. planning on getting the other arm done?
resource based sounds nice but as technology advances beyond the physical resources into intellectual/as automation becomes relevant, i think the concept of money incentives is better.
resource based would be more of an end goal. we are not ready yet until the people on this planet unite as the humans we are. but again, not a bad end goal. not feasible atm.
>>715249955
In socialism, doctors and janitors are not paid the same. If you wish to own more, you may but you cant own someone else and you have to work for what your pay.
markets, competition, and money incentives still exist anon.
socialist economies have failed for several reasons not inherent to socialism. the capitalists have dine their best to sabotage such efforts.
consider, anon, that socialism is not black and white but a scale. as the workers get richer, society is more socialized. this can be accomplished by taxing the wealthy owners. I ask you anon, when was America most economically successful and what were the taxes of those times?
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if you like to read
http://wn.rsarchive.org/Lectures/GA340/English/RSP1972/WldEco_index.html
>>715249857
It used to be that any property free to enter by strangers to you was called a "public place"
Parks used to be owned by businesses in europe, yet freedom of speech applied to them...
Slow but steady creeps the snake towards the people who refuse to defend their rights.
Public parks have become obsolete as no-one really uses them on a daily basis, and public areas privately owned are policed for anything but their use for profit.
What is freedom of speech without a podia to speak it? Online? yes, but even then its at the grace of the owner.
>>715250459
can you give a brief summary of that text? potentially interested
When are you going to grow up and realize that one system has failed every time it has been implemented and one has wildly succeeded every time it has been implemented and is solely responsible for everything good that has ever happened to you including the extremely privileged society that even allows you to grow up as comforted and retarded as you must be to think socialism is a good idea.
>>715250449idk i have to finish this arm first. Are you talking about scarcity because material sciences will come up with other materials. We will be mining asteroids. Yes i agree this is more of an end goal but fuck it.
>>715250571
This meme is retarded. If anything, the democrats lost because they chose the worst candidate in recent history. If anything else, they lost because identity politics separating their supporters (all it ever does). Not because socialists are right, but actually because they're wrong. Not because Russia is to blame, but because democrats are to blame.
>>715249602
You don't have to assume the entirety of a group to show a behaviour to make fun of said behaviour.
The message is more like
"There are people who defend gun rights but are still racist"
And less like "all gun owners defend gun rights and are racist"
At least that's what I think. I don't know the creators exact intend, but I don't think he actually assumes everyone to be like that.
>>715248055
12, just like you, then I stopped being an edgy shitposter and grew up
>>715249842
WHERE THE FUCK IS THE WHITE GOLD TOWER FUCKING JIHAD
Socialism is dumb. The age of automation and globalism is upon us. Socialism is a failed experiment - Capitalism is better suited for the population owning the means of production anyways.
And it doesn't matter, automation will give us something similar to what you want OP - please don't call it socialism, because you would be wrong.
Can someone explain socialism and guns.
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wow futuristic commieblocks with out anything that looks like private property
>>715250987
Socialism is a form of economics and government.
Guns are a weapon that fire projectiles most commonly using explosive propellant.
Not related.
>>715250936
you think the people who own automation are going to be generous. They weren't in the past. I don't have a problem with capitalism. I have a problem with corruption and social Darwinism.
>>715250449
>In socialism, doctors and janitors are not paid the same. If you wish to own more, you may but you cant own someone else and you have to work for what your pay.
>markets, competition, and money incentives still exist anon
No friend, that is capitalism. We already abolished slavery, and someone earning more by making good investments investment which benefit everyone else by creating the jobs in the first place is absolutely fine.
>>715250919
*Aedra Vult intensifies*
>>715251070
i think its pretty. >>715251102
thank you
>>715248055
Earth has been a plutocratic oligarchy for more than 2000 years, and will never change again until the average joe kills them all, just like what has happened throughout those 2000 years.. you really need to read an actual history book
>>715249588
Ok, well, Castro held people down and point blank shot them in the head for having opinions that were different from his - not even violent opinions. Moderate opinions.
>>715250640
right, it is an end goal and i am not opposed.
i am more talking about financial incentives to contribute to society. what do i get to do work? obviously the essentials, but people want to be able to earn more money & more personal property. how would that work if the currency is resources?
we are not quite there yet.
>>715250796
identity politics is but a dismissive and harmful term for civil rights. there are still many people without rights & fairness because of their skin, sexual orientation, etc. the democrats are the side that promotes the rights of the oppressed, the republicans vow to keep them oppressed. i am not pro democrat but can recognize they are better in that area.
if your response is that the laws dont explicitly say "fuck minorities" please do not bother responding
>>715250987
separate issues that will be decided through discussion and voting.
>>715249650
Einstein never said that.
>>715251205
even if we dont have a change in our system we still be sustainability urbanization is horrible
>>715248055
socialism = total government
total government is bad no matter what you say. Socialism doesn't, has not, and will never work. kys
>>715248055
Go take an economics 101 class moron. There is a reason socialism failed in every instance in history.
DOWN WITH THE ECONOMIC ILLITERATES
>>715251287
idk its hard for me to understand. I just want access to things and a place to live. I don't want to own anything. I also don't want anyone to be able to come into my house for no reason though. You should read Edward Belemay Looking backward. It a take on socialism sci book
>>715250987
Firearms would be limited under socialism as the government would see them as a threat.
mostly because individual rights get fucked over in socialism for the excuse of the greater good.
Better red than dead
>>715251602
is it possible to not have limited guns and socialism is my next question.
>>715251328
This is from an article called 'Why Socialism?'. The article was originally published in the first issue of Monthly Review (May 1949). It was subsequently published in May 1998 to commemorate the first issue of MR‘s fiftieth year.
>>715251151
They do not make good investments, they pay people to make their investments. Again, profiting off anothers work.
Their investments do not help the workers when their intent is to suck up every penny they can without doing work.
owners do not create jobs anon, demand creates jobs. owners will never give a job where it is financially unsustainable.
the owners own 90% of the wealth that they did not work for but inherited. imagine that wealth going to the workers to provide a better society for all.
i think you misunderstand capitalism. capitalism is when a capitalst (aka owner, banker, investor, entrpreneur) takes money, pays people to do work, and they collect profits. they are loaners that do no work. the workers do the work and the owners take the profits.
in socialism, the profits would go directly into the workers pockets (incentive) and back to where society needed it (healthcare, foreign debt, infrastructure etc)
The only good socialists are national socialists and dead socialists.
>>715251146
The people who own automation are me, and my contemporaries, and could be you if you had the urge to.
That's what socialists don't understand. We already DO own the means of production under Capitalism. It just goes to the people who are the best at it. Some people, like you, choose not to/are not able to, and that's fine. We're both valuable and necessary to the bigger picture of society in our roles - assuming you have a job.
What capitalism does is make this process efficient and viable - providing people a product for what they want if it's possible to do so. What socialism does is make the process bureaucratic and based on some arbitrary "democratic" process of giving people what they want regardless of if its viable and then inevitably ending in economic disaster. As it always has time and time again.
>>715251205
I think It would be better if ther where more individual houses not a few gigantic centralized blocks
>>715248055
LET US UNITE AND SIEZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION!
capitalism is a virus
>>715251534
>don't want to own anything
>my house
Are you really that fucking stupid? Yes, yes you are.
>>715251882
there are in the outskirts insider is research and then apartments or houses.
>>715251816
interesting
>>715251976
stop discriminating against other biological organism you microphobe
>>715251816
What do you think capitalism and socialism are?
You assume far too much. This is not black and white. Socialism is a scale. America was more socialized in the 60s than now for example.
Anon, if your understanding of economic systems is from American high school texts, please branch out.
>>715252025
"my house" better?
>>715252107
im triggeredddddd
>>715251937
>unite
>seize
So starting a company, growing it into a profitable empire, so you can steal it and destroy the company. Then what? Everyone stands in line for bread.
Fucking idiots everywhere.
>>715251713
maybe if it was something like an undeniable thing in the culture, but that can be turned around with time too. Its easier in the long run to take away freedoms than gain them back
>>715248055
The trickle down effect only applies to shit
>>715248055
You're right anon.
Will you let me use your internet? I can't really afford mine and since you have some, would you mind if you shared it with me and your neighbors?
>>715251937
VIVA LA PROLETARIAT
>>715251602
thats communism
communism is inherently totalitarian, socialism is the little brother that doesn't give a fuck what you do as long as you don't fuck over other people.
>>715251287
>if your response is that the laws dont explicitly say "fuck minorities" please do not bother responding
What are you even talking about? You're just backing up my point. The left has been taken over by this bullshit that has nothing to do with anything I was even saying.
Also, you have no understanding for what identity politics is if you honestly think it's a harmful term for civil rights. Identity politics IS harmful to liberal ideology. Identity politics is the actual term for an actual school of thought based on critical theory developed by german sociologists, and it is batshit insane. If you find the term harmful, that's because it obviously is to all of society. Obviously harmful, as it was a major reason why the left lost the election. Obviously harmful why, when any classical liberal person tries to discuss economics or literally anything else, the whole brainwashed left just start shouting some -ism and get absolutely no where. It's a major problem for political discourse and actual progressivism.
>>715252229
i feel like it is happening now. I carry guns and get labeled a liberal for thoughts about the economy
>>715252304
my nigga
>>715251200
She said, while spending other peoples money to safeguard other peoples interests.
This is an excellent thread! This is what /b/ should be! This and intelligent memes and lots of cheesy pizza...
can we use semantics and give a definition of these systems.
>>715252161
"your rented government section 8 apartment" sounds about your speed genius. And yes, they will come in to inspect your subsidized housing whenever they want.
>>715248055
Communism is the future and only logicsl future
>>715252248
Trickle down only applies to people who work for a living, not grooming your neckbeard in mama's basement.
>>715248277
one island printed pikachu on their bills.
we in europe have bridges on it.
black people actually wanted that person on the bill.
you know, sometimes there is no conspiracy. it just happens.
>>715252027
yes there seem to be a few individual buildings but way to few compared to the size of the blocks, but then again its some shity fantasy city mad by an artist
Ahh the old socialist cry baby routine. Most of you grow up eventually
>>715252304
bullshit every communist figurehead has inferred or outright stated the goal of socialism is communism
wake up people, you're in communist subversion thread trying to paint socialism in a good light
>>715252124
I gave you a brief paraphrased description of what I think socialism and capitalism are.
I do agree that we are on a scale, and somewhere inbetween the two - the world has never actually had pure free market Capitalism, and I would say that's a damn good thing.
>>715248248
>the vast majority of gun owners aren't crazy psychopaths, they're law abiding citizens
>"the vast majority of muslims aren't terrorists, they're peaceful"
the qoran is a violent book and the majority of practicing muslims adhere to the violence that the qoran, and the prophet muhammed condones against non believers.
Show me where it says that gun owners should kill non-gun owners simply for not owning guns.
Trying to draw a connection here is retarded.
>>715252462
i see where you are coming from. You should learn more because that is not what it is about. It is more about technocratic socialism. Sustainability and taking acre of the environment and ourselves. We can keep a system of credits for you and you can buy the house if you would like okay.
>>715252358
Okay, go ahead and define what identity politics is. Your premise is that it is harmful and hinders politics. So let us start by agreeing on a definition or some sort of explanation of what it is. I am open to hearing your thoughts on what identity politics actually are since you claim they are not civil rights.
I would love to get a real socialist party in the US. Since the red scare the political spectrum of the country has been pushed so far right that moderate right conservatives are now what we refer to as "democrats".
>>7152what does this lok like fagget
>>715252629
I'll add to that, consider that the muslim's pope and vatican equivalent preaches death to non-muslims on a daily basis
If you're not on top of the system, you're a drone to it. There is no utopia unless it's reserved for a the fractional few.
>>715250602
>Thinking capitalism has ever "worked"
>Being this fucking dumb
>Thinking socialism has failed because of socialism.
Are you familiar with the history of capitalism? The last century is a history of the largest countries on earth shitting on any country that tries socialism. See: Iran, guatamala, vietnam, laos, greece, brazil, cuba, haiti, Congo, etc.
If you're not familiar with the history of capitalism, maybe you should be.
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lots of houses and then apartments for whatever you wnat
>>715251803
this, god.
people fearing others systems as if they would be oppressive, facepalm.
see THE FUCKING HOUSES DOTS EVERYUWHERE YOU POS
>>715252304
No, that's libertarianism. Socialism means the government controls companies, regulates workers, determines costs and wages. It's simply a stepping stone to communism/Marxism.
>>715248104
Only person who decides if you earn a certain amount money, is the one who pays you.
And it's the person who earns the money who decides how to administrate it, whether it's $10 an hour or $100 million.
Want to talk about stealing? The state is the only entity that takes money without earning it.
you retard
ARE YOU BLIND
>>715252544
>blacks wanted this in their bill
this is the problem, i believe. the message of that pic is to the blacks: do not let the herolding of a progressive leader end the progressive movement. do not be satisfied with such a binky, a pacifier. there is real work to be done.
>>715251816
socialism != boureauism
Social ownership and government control of the means of production removes the actual means of production from the equation.
The real means of production is the idea or risk of the one who sparked the new concept.
When risk/reward is removed from the system, few would offer any social advance.
No systems work. Socialism doesn't work. Capitalism doesn't work.The problem is inherent to the simple fact that it's being run by humans. Humans are fucking awful and unreliable. At best, they can only be properly executed by machines.
>>715252942
exactly that is why the venus project has AGI
>>715250468
>used to be
>>715248055
I realized several years ago that there were two facets of The Jew whose influence in society needs to be minimized.
A. globalist financial elites (on the Right), and
B. people of gibs (on the Left)
>>715252709
love that whole government railroad meme
rail is privately owned in the US
>>715248055
Hey OP name me a successfully 100% socialist state.
>>715248677
Im assuming this is still OP, but the actual liberals were warning far left identity politics and social marxism were going to alienate the american working class (which is mostly white) and you were going to drive them into the hands of trump.
which of course is exactly what happened.
>>715251468
>There is a reason socialism failed in every instance in history.
They were toppled by the CIA and replaced with murderous dictators that were sympathetic to the US cause? You know like Pol Pot?
see the apartments and houses its like the suburbs but pretty. or we can spend our lives in traffic whatever you wnat
>>715252931
is your mind gay or what is wrong with you?
see:
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>>715252643
How are "credits" any different than "dollars?" Neither are backed by anything tangible.
The government doesn't own me, or tell me what I am allowed to own.
FUCK OFF.
>>715253123
why does everyone get to live in the same kind of building?
>>715253044
Jews are 0.02% of the worlds population, perhaps the problems of the world are to complicated to blame on a convenient scapegoat.
>>715250602
yes, going to war with every socialist country or putting up trade blokkades shows how bad socialism really is.
>>715253226
the houses get to be different its not not shown because their would be too many. Also all our houses look the same in subdivision anyway. >>715253151
I was just trying to make you happy
>>715251816
>Thinking most capable people on means of production
Yes. You are correct. No bratty moron has ever inherited the wealth of a small nation. Everyone that ever got rich did so from abject poverty with no social help.
It's not like rich people can get up and force good ideas into oblivion so that they can maintain monopoly power. Or like they can simply hire someone who would have done better than them so that they can own whatever the person creates.
Face it, you don't own the means of production comrade. You are a rube.
>>715248055
I have one problem with the whole "employers keep all the wealth and employees only get a fraction of it" thing: No one is stopping you from being an employer.
If you don't like being an employee, open your own business. It's not hard. There is great risk involved in doing so, but the potential reward for pulling it off is high.
This is why people open their own business. YOU as the EMPLOYER and OWNER are taking the greatest risks FINANCIALLY by creating your own business, financing it, and running it. As an business owner you have to worry about paying employees, buying goods, funding advertisement, property tax/rent, utilities, bank payments, etc. As an employee you are taking NO RISK at all. You are ensuring your financial security at no risk by offering your services. You, as a worker, are a resource.
That being said, you can barter using YOURSELF as leverage. If you're a highschool dropout with no education, you will not be worth much to barter with. If however, you are a college educated specialist with 5+ years of experience in the field you are applying for, you have great leverage for negotiation.
To expect to take no risk and somehow reap the benefits of the prophets of a business that you DO NOT OWN OR FINANCE is the most DEGENERATE THING I have ever heard. You DO NOT DESERVE A PERCENTAGE OF EARNINGS! You deserve what you can work out in an employment contract. You are being payed to work, and all you have to do is use your own body to perform a task. There is zero financial risk involved.
>>715252629
the bible is a violent book. are all christians violent? No.
because you identify as religious does not mean you follow the holy text word for word (you cant anyway since they are contradictory). a lot of religious people identify so to be a part of a community.
this is from someone who wishes to abolish religion. you can understand that not all religious people adhere to all of the vile in their holy texts. there are christian extremists, judaist extremists, etc etc for most religions. some are terrorists, some are not. that is the point
>>715252538
I don't groom my neckbeard. And it's not a basement. It's an annex.
>>715250936
Yeah, but in a capitalist world of automation and globalism, everyone who isn't needed or can't partizipate in the system will suffer.
>>715253151
This MEME, a million times.
there will still be roads for emergency and whatnot but mainly high speed trains
there will always be haves and have-nots, this includes socialism/communism
do you really think the workers in wine processing plant will enjoy the expensive wine and caviar that their bureaucratic leader's enjoy?
do you think the factory workers on the assembly line will get to own the latest luxury automobiles that their bureaucratic leaders get to own?
do you think the workers of the socialist/communist machine will get to travel to foreign countries on vacation or holiday like their bureaucratic leaders?
do you think the workers in a socialist/communist states are truly equal to their leaders?
history has shown that they didn't
>>715252876
The thing I love about that image is that it shows that the republican line of thinking is one that stops at the level of a 12 year old. If you're 12, and don't know about, say, employment markets, cost of goods versus income, etc., then it does seem like a great idea.
>>715248055
Sounds nice and all, but Im not going to make myself even more dependent upon someone else to survive.
>>715253097
did the US also replace the Tsar of russia with the bolsheviks?
no they did just fine starving millions of people on their own
>>715253352
So what control would the individuals have over the property?
can they put it up for rent?
inherit it?
make a brothel in it?
how would one go about getting drunk and fucking whores in socialism?
>>715252882
>the state steals money
interesting anon. consider how the economy works.
the economy is based on owners loaning out wealth at an interest. this means that the workers getting paid by the wealthy must pay interest back to the wealthy.
the "stealing" by the state (assuming you mrean taxes) is actually a check on the interest that the wealthy earn. theoretically.
what has happened is that the wealthy habe tricked the american public that tax breaks for the wealthy benefit the workers when it is in fact those taxes function to check the wealthy.
it is not so much stealing as it is a check gone wrong.
>>715248055
wants discussion. posts liberal propaganda.
even the tiniest of insects understands the struggle for survival. a point that seems to escape our dear OP.
>>715253284
There are plenty of them that somehow tend to be overrepresented in certain professions and positions of power, but when I say Jew, I don't necessarily mean they're all literal Jews. Just that they adhere to stereotypical Jewish behavior.
rich whites that run multinational corps that haven't given their employees raises in the last decade while simultaneously and outsourcing jobs to china = jews
lazy but conniving nignogs that make up oppression to justify them demanding more gibs = jews
etc ad infinitum
even with capitalism we should get civil projects to build these cities. 18-21 military for everyone we had these kinds of projects after the great depression like the WPU and others
>>715253403
Where are the catholic extremists committing violent hate crimes, bombings, sparking large scale civil war, and executing "non-believers"?
I understand that the bible is violent. The difference is that most do not adhere to it strictly, whereas the majority of practicing muslims do adhere to the entire book. The proof is all over the news, the internet, it is all there, you cannot deny it.
You still have crazy fuckheads like the westboro baptists, or cult followings. The difference is that when the bible says "stone women for cheating" christians don't go out and stone women for cheating. Non-American muslims do, however, and when they immigrate over here it presents a real threat.
>>715253539
Make yourself needed, start a business, learn a trade. There will ALWAYS be jobs. Why would you want the government in charge of everything? Literally everything the government takes over is a piece of shit failure. Look at the post office, Obamacare, social security. It all needs fixed.
>>715253761
whatever you want as long as no one is getting hurt. unless they wantt to get hurt and then by all means.
>>715253151
You have grown up on a steady feed of capitalist propaganda to convince you that under the socialist society you'd be poor and broken, rather than a man among equals. none of this is true. But if you're a rich person who gets to exploit people like you, it makes sense to convince people it is true.
Read Kapital. Or Manifesto. None of those things are spelled out in either.
>>715248055
Name me one socialist country that you'd rather live in than America.
>>715252882
>Want to talk about stealing? The state is the only entity that takes money without earning it.
I take it you don't drive or use utilities then.
>>715253572
This makes it seem like there is nothing but city's in the world people want to go
>>715253895
srs imagine walking to work in this place. Fucking beautiful
>>715253763
if you want to be angry at something then be angry at usury, not capitalism
>>715251287
> but people want to be able to earn more money & more personal property
Strange. I live in a Westernized capitalist society and it is physically impossible to "earn more" without committing a crime. I have worked 3 jobs, I have a higher education and am still studying more.
Qualified people are not paid more than unqualified people. You are either born rich, or steal/kill. You can not accumulate wealth if all wealth you receive from your hardwork is used to pay your livelihood and to expand the coffers of the already-rich.
>>715253985
there is nature everywhere. Also in between there is nature. Urbanization just wrecks everything so this is better in every way.
>>715253815
>majority of practicing muslims adhere to the book
on what evidence?
there are millions of muslims in the states, why has the country not been blown to smithereens if theyre mostly terrorists?
>>715253644
Yes, actually. If you want an example of a mixed social democracy that could easily be compared to a proto-socialist state (i.e. private property exists but is heavily regulated) you could check out the nordic states. Though there are haves and have nots, the levels of these are minimal, and there are laws in place regulating that people get a month of vacation a year, and are paid enough to afford exactly the things you believe would be reserved only for the elites. This system is less far from socialism in practice than you'd think.
>>715248248
At least guns don't smell like Tumeric and knock over your fence by piling trash on it YOU HEAR ME, TARIQ? QUIT KNOCKING OVER MY FENCE YOU FUCK
>>715253927
USSA
>>715254063
Socialism would serve to benefit you. that is the point. no worker will struggle under socialism.
>>715254149
nice strawman, but muslim terror(note the media refuses on many occasions to call it that) attacks have been significant in the past 10 years
>>715248055
Sorry, I love meaningless stuff too much. Capitalism or death
dont we have socialism in the us
>>715253730
No, it shows the concept of not rewarding laziness and bad behavior. It shows that any 12 year old can see why liberals are complete idiots that think they are bleeding hearts when the truth is they just want to control everything. There are only 2 kind of democrats: the lazy ones who want free shit and the ones who want to be the ones in control of theft/taxes and who gets the free shit.
>>715254327
>>715253754
No shit, we need Darwinism to make a roaring comeback. Too many whiny needy lazy people who think the government is their mommy and daddy.
>>715254303
Except every worker struggles under socialism.
>>715253761
Nope, you don't get to make money renting your shit. No more AirBNB, ebay, uber. It's all one big shitstorm.gov.
>>715254310
"significant"
on what evidence? why is the country still standing if there are so many attacks? where is the destruction you are claiming?
there is no doubt muslim terror attacks happen. no doubt. but they are not as drastic as you imply. and they certainly do not back up your claim that most muslims are terrorists.
i am against middle eastern refugees, against islam, againt religion in general. but the truth is not all muslims are dangerous. there are millions in the US and yet there are not millions of terrorist attacks.
i dont fuckin like muslims, they are rats that should be exterminated but you are simply basing your arguments on feelings.
>>715248248
Difference: You can take a gun away from crazy people. You can prevent crazy people from getting a gun too, but you can't do the same with Islam.
>>715253754
you already are what happens when the store runs out of food can you program a computer
>>715254303
Pure socialism is for retarded cuckolds who are stupid enough to work for free so other people who don't work can indulge themselves for free.
This whole venus project looks like junk. I wouldn't want to live there.
>>715254644
This, truth.
>>715248561
>Communist wants to talk shit about dying under a system that doesn't work.
>>715254455
Are you suggesting that capitalism rewards those who aren't lazy? The US is full of people who bust their ass to only live in squalor. I'd rather have some people be rewarded that shouldn't be than people not be rewarded that should be.
>>715254149
because American-Muslims are still American; they adhere to the laws of the United States, because they live here, grew up here, and have the same peaceful philosophy as most Americans.
Look at pretty much every muslim outside of the US. They are NOT the same as American Muslims.
And the majority of muslims do not live in the states. There are like 200 million people in the middle east, most of them adhere to the muslim faith. I'm not saying every muslim wants to behead everyone else, but In am saying that when you think of the peaceful muslim, you are thinking of a non-believer. Even jesus, the prophet of the Christian faith, preached peace and love, spent his time among sinners, and generally wanted acceptance, whereas the muslim prophet muhammed openly preaches death and suffering against non-believers.
>>715255116
yea maybe the idea now We need green cities. for you can enjoy this shit
>>715248055
the problem is you have to be part of the bourgouisie to lead a revolution. the workers are too dumb to do it themselves.
>>715254826
>You can prevent crazy people from getting a gun too
The evidence suggests otherwise.
>>715254751
>why is the country still standing if there are so many attacks?
more strawman please
>but they are not as drastic as you imply
there is no terror attack that isn't drastic
>and they certainly do not back up your claim that most muslims are terrorists
again, a strawman - not saying most muslims are terrorists, I'm saying enough of them are
>but the truth is not all muslims are dangerous
again, enough of the are
> there are millions in the US and yet there are not millions of terrorist attacks
once again, there are enough that islam is a real problem
it's never the majority that commits the atrocities, it's always the extremists, but your extremists can be controlled by addressing the majority
if the majority of muslims don't denounce msulim terror attacks, if the pope equivalent in islam promotes terror attacks, then you have a real problem with islam
>>715254830
What even..
>>715254826
my two best friends in high school sere muslim. went to muslim schools on sunday, fasted ramadan, and did the weird singing kneeling down faggot thing. once they went to college, they gradually gave up their beliefs and arent muslim any longer.
there are some muslims you will never be able to educate the religion out of. same as christians. same as whatever religion. some gun nuts will never be talked out of guns.
but no, not all muslims are extreme. not all muslims cant be reasoned with.
>>715251816
What company are you the CEO of? Do you own several hectares of farmland and pay others to work for you?
If so, you're an Owner in a capitalist society.
That's what you don't understand. 99.99% of people do NOT OWN the means of production.
Ownership doesn't go to the most qualified, it goes either to the most violent or his/her children.
You believe the guy sitting on a chair doing nothing is what produces value. I say it's the people working in the company he inherited from his father (who inherited it from his father who killed 600 people to get it) that make value.
Most people work - and most of their earnings go to pay taxes and overpriced products that only millionaires have the factories to produce, because they literally own the livelihoods of all those workers. They can fire anyone with no repercussions. Any worker that dies in poverty is easily replaced by another starving worker.
What capitalism does is perpetuate this: some men a few decades ago killed or enslaved everyone else and "claimed" all natural resources in arbitrarily long areas not claimed by other armed men. Their direct children inherited this power and became politicians and CEOs, and used their parents money to pay some starving people to beat up or kill any other starving person that speaks out against this tyranny. It scaled to the point where you have millions of lives hinged upon the whims of a few who have the power to decide what to do with all laws, all money and all wealth, and who finance several groups of armed persons to keep everyone else in check.
THIS is capitalism.
Socialism is a system on which every able bodied and able minded person can and should voice their opinion and it has an equal weight. No one is "more important" because they are the blood relatives of some forgotten king from 700 years ago. Everyone is paid proportionally to their work, rather than random distributions assigned at birth based on past conquests.
>>715255450
you are already dependent upon others
Anon, how old were you when you realized capitalism and socialism are two sides of the same coin, and that the faggot philosophers who coined those terms never had to struggle under the auspices of a bill in their fucking lives.
Here's a hint: dispense with the bullshit labels and realize there are better ways.
>>715255595
thank yyou
>>715255161
>KSP
>>715248055
>>715248055
>>715248055
ADDITIONAL READING esp. for you, US Americans.
>https://markmanson.net/american-dream
>>715252260
You're describing a communist dictatorship. Or a capitalist state where you inherited a document saying you own the lives of others.
In a socialist society, you have to work to have internet, and you earn proportionally to your contribution to society.
So stop mooching and get to work, you lazy bum.
>>715255652
ksp molar solubility
>>715248055
Look, anon, it works on paper, but people are shitbags. We ruin every form of government we come up with. No matter what system we follow, there will be those who wish to corrupt it for personal gain.
>>715253958
He means that the state can raise taxes whether or not you want to pay or not. If you dont want to support a greedy corporation, dont buy their products, but if you don't want to support greedy politicians, you're out of luck.
>>715255486
if every person owned their own little slice of "the means of production"(what a dumb fucking phrase) then most of those people wouldn't get shit done and would fail and take everyone around them with them
>>715253151
It doesn't!? Where the fuck do you live, Somalia?
Most countries have very strict regulations on what you can and can't do with inanimate objects and even your body.
hopefully the agi will make the world better
>>715253903
you believe in the equality of outcome, not opportunity. equality of outcome means i can do whatever I want and still be just as well off as the next guy
>>715255712
KSP affected by temp, pressure, volume of system, etc. Determines degree of saturation of an amount of solute dissolved in aqueous solvent (H20).
>>715255714
This. People always abuse shit no matter what. Better to make it so that we are free and not being forced at the barrel of a gun while it happens.
do something about it ....your on 4chan making fun of kids who have A.D.D but now they have "Asperger" w.e. if you don't want to be rich why do you envy them lol....its pretty sad
>>715255941
my nigga
>>715255256
oh so every muslim you like is an "american" and every one you dont isnt. you have no idea how dumb you are do you? just like the terrorist christians "arent real christians" fuck off
if you want to talk people who cannot be reasoned with, look in the mirror. the evidence is that the muslims in america do not "mostly"(your word) terrorize america. and now you copout and try to rationalize it as theyre just the american ones. youre the problem. you cant make a coherent argument.
the argument was not all muslims are terrorists in the same way that not all gun nuts are school shooters. and now youve derailed the convo into the middle east. fuck off troll.
>>715255361
These shootings aren't an everyday occurrence, given the fact that a lot of people in the US have guns. Even if the checks aren't done well, that's a simple fix of "do them well".
To bring back my previous argument: Crazy gun owners shoot schools,normal ones don't. Crazy muslims bomb schools, "normal" ones, wish someone bombs them.
>>715255461
~were~ muslim. Now they aren't. Islam is a pretty backwards religion, whcih is pretty normal for a religion. The difference between it and Christianity is that Christianity went though some serious reforms during it's existence, and was toned down from W40k styled inquisitions, to the "Do unto others as you would want to be done upon you" Christians of today. Also, we can eat bacon.
>>715248055
America has this idea that profits equal growth, and growth equals profits. In other words... consumption and growth for the sake of EVEN more consumption and growth...
>Literally cancer.
>>715253815
>Where are the catholic extremists committing violent hate crimes, bombings, sparking large scale civil war, and executing "non-believers"?
I'll take history for 200, Alex.
>>715255963
exactly, the red enthusiasts always omit the human element, or believe that all people are equal or can become equal
equality is a lie
>>715254751
There are about 3 million muslims in the US
The vast majority of them are non-violent muslims. Maybe like 0.1 of them are violent. However, there are about 220 million citizens in the middle east, with about 93% of them being practicing muslims that adhere considerably more strictly to the teachings of the prophet muhammed. Probably not isis beheading level, but enough that they would stone a woman to death for being raped. Not raping, being raped. Sharia law is violent and you are punished severely for it.
Now for comparison.
there are about 1 billion registered roman catholics in the world. How many catholic-based terrorist attacks occurred around the world between the years 2000-2016?
>>715248055
>>715253370
>No one is stopping you from being an employer.
Are you high on coke? Do you truly think that most people have capital to invest on making a company? Do you think there is NO COST to "become" an employer?
>>715256057
and we don't take care of the environment because it is not economically viable. It is fucking retarded.
The smurfs were the first indoctrination into socicialism for me as a child .. utopian village ..use or trade to replace legal tender .. and the most interesting of all the acronym ..Socialist ..Men..Under..Red..Father.. bearing in mind this discovery took place when i was a very yound deadbet stoner and i read it in a gay pride magazine on a train ...anyone i have spoken to about this conspiracy denies hannabarbarra were socialist
>>715256174
Lol
>>715256330
that is correct
>>715256174
it's the current year, anon
muslim terror attacks are a current event, not a lesson a few centuries back
the people killing you in the name of god have internet access, cellphones, email addresses and access to a fucking slew of scientific information
they have no excuse
>>715256245
>go to a bank
>propose idea
>they look at your credit and assets
>unless you have royally screwed yourself over and have shitty credit, they will give you a loan
A family friend named Kristy opened a custom cake shop down town where I lived. Her only prior employment was at an icecream shop where she made cookies for the owner. The owner of the ice cream shop was also a small-business owner who obtained a bank loan and started a successful business off of that.
Both businesses did very well despite neither of these two women having any prior experience running a business. They both had good credit and good ideas and thus were able to obtain sizeable loans fairly easily.
>>715255449
I'd like to add that a large enough group of muslims agree that stuff like honor killings, stoning homosexuals, murdering those who leave islam, throwing acid on women... just a small sample size of atrocities that are ok with a lot of muslims. Maybe not the majority but not an extremist fringe group either, those catagories alone range from 20-40% or more.
Islam has a problem and refusing to admit it is only going to make it worse.
>>715256200
christians got most of that all out of their system just a few hundered years ago, at least the worst of it. muslims will too in time.
>>715256174
>catholics killed a bunch of people 800 years ago
>stopped
>muslims killed a bunch of people 800 years ago
>continued to do so
>still do
You have to be a stupid little boy to think that socialism is ideal.
Ask the Soviet union how it went
>hey man that wasn't REAL socialism
Ok buddy
>>715256500
this is rule 66.6 using god as a excuse
>>715256601
If you watch the news, it looks like they are about 75% out of it already.
spread lsd we will win soon enough
mckenns
>>715248055
what's best is a mixed economy of capitalism and socialism. America's been working on that since the New Deal and it's worked out pretty well so far.
>>715253754
That's why you should have access to a public means of production. You're 99% dependent on others.
If any part of your Capitalis society fails, if your store runs out of food, if the trucks can't afford more oil, if the energy runs out, etc. what happens?
You either die of starvation or run to the streets crying "capitalist gods, please save me".
>>715256794
for some
you call this freedom
>>715256794
oh you talk europe her, mate?
i hope you aint murrican
>>715256736
this is rule 66.6 using lsd solve everything ;why, because now we all thinking when the fuck is this going to end omg its been 5 hrs
>>715256736
Psychedelics are illegal because, like a lot of drugs, they are addictive and cause social issues if the person who is addicted runs out and cannot obtain more, thus increasing the crime rate.
Although they seemed to have lumped a lot of drugs into the same ball and just labeled them as such, banning all of them instead of picking certain ones and allowing the rest to remain legal. Now if we want to legalize a non-destructive drug we have to go through a lot of shit because of it.
>>715256500
Don't give me this bullshit. Catholics had access to a wealth of scientific knowledge from Rome and they were still a bunch of ignorant fuckheads for over 1000 years. Meanwhile the mudslimes actually studied and preserved more of those ancient texts before some Turkish asshat decided that science was evil.
Both religions are absolute garbage.
>>715248055
>Anon, how old were you when you grew out of capitalism and realized socialism is the logical future?
it's the reverse. You grow out of socialism into capitalism.
Socialism nearly killed the pilgrims. it's killed 92 million people world wide
Socialism is good for people that are short sighted, lazy or both.
>>715256710
Well it wasnt?
Do we say Somalia isn't REAL unregulated capitalism? What about Dubai?
What about the fact that China is state forced capitalism.
America still believes socialism is about electing a dictator that wants to put his friends in charge of the countries wealth and industry.
In reality, it is simply democracy in the work place. Believing the "free market" determines your value is probably the worst piece of trash to come out of the American propaganda machine.
what is the point none of you are willing to change your views this is not a conversion. there is no intellectual honesty
>>715256927
he is talking about today's eco look up "to big to fail "this is why we are socialism
>>715257108
he is talking about today's eco look up "to big to fail "this is why we are socialism
>>715256938
lol what
>>715256979
lsd is not physically addictive people have been let off of murder for junk food and periods.
>>715257192
he is talking about today's eco look up "to big to fail "this is why we are socialism
>>715257024
Oh hey Trump is doing that exactly. The whole corporate buddies running the country bit.
>>715256979
being overweight doesnt cause social issues. fucking random people without condom doesn't cause social issues. T least have the safe drugs and guidance to use them. alcohol is shit
>>715256994
i agree both religions are garbage, but no one is scared of christian extremists today
you get padded down by TSA directly because of muslim terrorists, terror attacks ahve become synonymous with muslims and islam, beheadings used to be something you onyl heard of a every few years from cartels in south aemrica
today videos get posted weekly by muslim extremists where they decapitate several people, burn them alive, run them over with a tank, or if they're lucky they just get a bullet to the head
this is what muslims are becoming known for today, TODAY
capitalists are so dumb they think that you can just get everybody to compete and this will foster unity and cooperation lmao
and then they shrug whenever there's a big war or market collapse
>>715249857
>If they wanna do it on private property, they need permission from the owner of the property. otherwise, it's trespassing
>>715257343
planned parenthood clinic staff are always afraid of christian extremists and for good reason, so your argument's premise is flawed
>>715257343
No one is scared of Christian Extremists?
Whatisafricafor100alexwhoarethesefaggots.com
>>715254303
I know. But the same people that are already in power prevent Socialist parties from winning elections. From tax-breaks to company owners, money laundering schemes with manufacturers, extensive propaganda on "socialism is evil, we don't need proof to state this", and occasionally favoring a niche of old/uneducated/upper-middle class/rich people to tip votes in their favor. They don't even need 51% of the votes if the other parties are splitting theirs.
I live in a "Democratic Republic". But I don't feel as it is very democratic because DEMOS means "people" and it's not the common or even the majority of people deciding what can and can't be done and for how much...
>>715257343
I dunno... white christian terrorists TODAY are known for killing cops, killing minorities, enslaving drug users, and burning down black churches.
>>715249857
its pretty funny that the government can go to war and the people have to be peaceful about how they protest it lmao
1,000,000 dead iraqis but make sure you don't trample any begonias at the park fair citizen
>>715257594
he's ignorant, you might as well just have posted "aliens are real"
just now cuz this post ty. i hate rich people.
>>715257024
Some say this is called making america great again.
>Anon, how old were you when you grew out of capitalism and realized socialism is the logical future?
nice passive aggressive "question".
Go vote for a Pedophile again faggot.
On a serious note.
The only proper form of government is a nationalist imperialist government with a capitalist backbone.
We need to strip degeneracy like mudslimes, corrupt politicians, criminal organizations, drug trade, and organized crime and have the entire plant under 1 flag in the end.
You really think having a bunch of little shit stain countries in europe, africa, and asia is good? They serve no purpose and over half are unstable by current western standards.
In 300 years current religions will be mythology courses in college/hs and space exploration out of our solar system will be our goal.
You stupid cucks care about "the patriarchy", "muhh poor people matter", "BLM!", "Alt-Right", and "Republican/Democratic party".
Both sides of out government is cancer, degeneracy like liberalism, conservatism, and organized religion needs to end.
Get a fucken job and a fucken clue.
Socialism is best when it's National
>>715255068
Youre describing capitalism. You work your ass off for a few coins and your boss gets a truckload of gold for doing nothing.
>>715257922
and feudalism, and theocratic states
>>715257488
how long ago were those attacks? which christian extremist group radicalized those people? was it pope john paul that yelled to the masses, "destroy the abortion clinics in the name of god"
oh right none of that happened, it was just a few nuts who reacted to the massive media coverage of abortion issues, it's not a problem today, TODAY
>>715255848
No, any person who has access to the public means of production and chooses NOT to work simply dies of starvation.
Why are you confusing socialism with communist dictatorships?
>>715257553
christians in africa are a minority and are often targeted by muslim in their genocides
realize that I just told you muslims are waging a genocidal crusade against a christian minority in africa as well as the arab lands
>>715257833
i think you are cornfused. Much like your lord and savior, cheetoh jesus.
>Who is electing degenerate religious extremists, and corporate globalists into his cabinet.
>>715257996
there's been killings at planned parenthoods this year, do you not care???
>>715252629
a gun is literally a tool to kill people
>>715257833
>1 flag
>Nationalist
Umm.. wat?
>>715257714
>>715257594
really? which christian terrorists organizations are involved here? what are the names of perpetrators?
to they shout things like, "in the name of jesus" before they do those things? does the christian community at large condone or condemn those actions?
>>715257833
This guy is on to something....
If we simply conquer the world, we wouldn't have to worry about offshoring business.
>>715248248
Doesn't the implication of this comic hinge entirely on the admission of selective reasoning by liberals?
You can't say that gun-owner logic should apply to Muslim immigrants without also admitting that Muslim immigrant logic should apply to gun-owners.
>>715248186
MOA! I used to live 35 seconds from there.
>>715251697
you forgot
>first to starve people
>first to collapse
samefagging in this thread is too damn high
>>715258195
When did i say i was happy about trump nigger? Learn to read shit properly.
But since you brought Trump into this, he is the step in the right direction. Our country, the country that serves as a backbone for this world, need to break out of debt and reform the autismo fucks who populate it.
From the Alt-Right to the SJW cucks, they are going in the wrong direction. SJW are obviously worse than the Alt-Right in terms of logic.
One thing Trump is trying to do is fix our current exonomic state and foreign affairs.
We can't be chinas bitch, and we need to work with Russia.
We need to peel out of Eurotrash affairs and let them destroy their land so they will be easier to take over and influence.
We need to let africa fester and die becuase 95% of it is beyond redeption.
We need to isolate the hispanic countries south of us and let them die too.
To properly reform this awful fucken planet into a position where it can be controlled with a capitalist government we need to let about 4 billion people die who are not worth a shit. From England to India, from Spain to South Africa. All of south america is a economic and genetic failure.
A semi-rational discussion about communism on /b/? Get outta here with that bs
>>715256570
You DO realize your master plan fails if any of the following conditions is satisfied:
- You hold no assets because you weren't born into any
- Already established markets can easily out-compete and run you to the ground, putting you in debt to the bank
- If you are born in a 1st world country and are not already an upper middle class citizen, an upper class citizen, or a millionaire, at least one of the two previous conditions is always true
>>715258449
1 nation, nationalism isn't about race you nigger.
Supremacist Nationalism is about race, its also degeneracy. It degenerates into failed communities and shit like Japan and Nazi Germany.
>>715256979
The government doesn't give half a shit about public health issues.
Psychedelics are banned because they cause you to think outside the box and it's difficult to control people who have found their own answers in life. A person who finds his own happiness and his own answers independently of the system is a threat to the establishment. It's too difficult to mold you into an obedient pawn for the new world order if you are busy being in love with nature.
>>715250459
When attention whores link every post in a thread to get their shitty propaganda opinion heard
>>715258316
there's been killings at christian churches this year, do you not care?
you can state the reasoning for your bias against christians but the facts remain, the christian community does not condone the violence of those people unlike muslims who promote terrorist attacks from all the way to the top of their religious order
christian violence in nonexistant at this point, because there is no real foundation for it, a man who is christian kills someone else because he didn't like what they believed is not a terrorist, he's just a murderer, you coudl substitute his reasoning for something that's not religious and it would be the same result
a muslim who visits afganistan to receive training on bomb making and weapons use, returns to a western country and kills innocent people in the name of allah, all funded by saudi billionaires and organized through muslim religous groups is terrorist and the current problem
>>715254455
Having nobody in your community starve or die of preventable diseases in not a "reward".
If anything, it's used in capitalism as "punishment".
You can still have the carrot in socialism, Anon.
You simply chose to let the stick not be stripping people of their basic needs (and dignity), but rather boredom (and maybe social stigma).
If people want anything more than basic needs, they'll have to work.
There is also these things called "ambition" and "liking your job" and "caring about your community".
Don't get me wrong. Socialism wouldn't work in the USA if you switched the system over night. But that is simply because the US has shit work ethic on average and has social divides to its core.
But concepts like Social Democracy have been very successful, economically.
>>715256979
>Psychedelics are illegal because, like a lot of drugs, they are addictive and cause social issues if the person who is addicted runs out and cannot obtain more, thus increasing the crime rate.
>Although they seemed to have lumped a lot of drugs into the same ball and just labeled them as such, banning all of them instead of picking certain ones and allowing the rest to remain legal. Now if we want to legalize a non-destructive drug we have to go through a lot of shit because of it.
Nicotine and alcohol are hard drugs and are legal. Not only legal, but celebrated as being "really great for society".
LSD, MDMA, THC are much less addictive and, unless you're already a schizophrenic, they pose no problem. Your argument makes NO sense as most legal drugs are addictive and provoke far more crime.
>>715258517
why does this matter to someone who works at planned parenthood
do you think a worker at a planned parenthood in america is more likely to be killed by a member of al nusra than the killers on american soil you're completely ignoring
>>715258821
oh. Ok then...
