Why don't you own an AR-15 for self-defense, and to protect your friends, family and country?
>>714137175
Because I prefer my MAK-90 for SHTF
>>714137175
>ar-15
>self-defense
KEK. That shit isn't meant for close quarters lil nigger. Invest in a shotgun to protect your family indoors.
>>714137175
I have hands.
>>714137175
Because I'm not a little bitch afraid of the world.
'Cause my snubby will do the job just fine.
well i do... why dont you have back up iron sights? lol>>714137175
im waaaay too poor
I kinda want an ar-18 for historical reasons.
I own an Infidel, an MP15 and a 4th gen Glock 19.
all of these choices are how you get tennitis
>implying
I've got about $2,400 tied up in it. Retarded, I know, but I got carried away and just went with it. Fully left-handed, left side ejecting with side charging handle, Timney trigger, 20" 1:8 5.56 barrel, 15" quad rail, Magpul UBR stock, Hawke Optics 6-24x56 mil dot scope and it's built on an 80% lower so no serial #
>>714138762
Why not a Geissele trigger?
>>714138762
I also have a 3'' penis fully erect when I think about how cool my friends must think I am.
>>714139038
Truth be told, at the time I hadn't even heard of them. All any of my coworkers ever talked about was how great Timney triggers are so it was just in my head from the start that that's what I was going to buy for it
>>714139201
No funs poorfag detected
>>714137175
I do.
>>714137175
I pick up a smith and wesson M&P sport 2 tomorrow along with 2 lowers for custom builds... preban cause fuck CA
>>714138762
>he doesn't have over 4k tied up in his AR-15
>>714139523
Of all the possible reaction images, that one feels most appropriate.
Kek'd hard, anon
>>714137428
Haha fag dont get smoked
>>714139038
Geissele triggers are nice but overrated for the money. There are plenty of options available that are 95% as good for 50% of the cost.
>Shotgun is first line of defense.
>Next is handgun.
>First two fail, break out muh kung-fu.
>Final solution, hamster.
I'm a felon
>>714137313
This.
I own an RRA and a Arsenal. I would NEVER think about using AR or AK alike for home defense, unless I lived on a ranch or something and could see my enemies coming from a ways away and actually line up a shot instead firing half a mag down a hallway.
>>714139715
That's a purty set. Papa bless.
>>714139341
What's that upper/lower? Its beautiful.
Because I have real rifles that do real damage from distances great and far. And.. I'm not paying bandwagon prices.
>>714137175
Because an AR-10 has more stopping power
Because they are too expensive right now - but we have other firearms that will do the job if needed.
>>714139681
>Geissele triggers are overrated
>There are plenty of options available that are 95% as good
Yeah, um, I like that 5%.
Now that trump has won, it may be time. Getting tired of the stupid fucks that elected that orange baboon.
>>714139961
i like how you say NEVER then go on to contradict yourself about how you would do it. pick one.
>>714140594
The only AR10 I fuck with
>>714140718
lol it's the cheapest they've been in a long time.
>>714140243
Full Bravo Company Manufacturing upper: 14.5" barrel, 13" KMR handgaurd, PWS FFS556 MOD 2 comp.
YMH 125 lower
>>714137175
But I do.
>>714141061
>areyousureaboutthat.meme
>>714140718
>500 dollars
if you can't afford this you need to off yourself
>>714141257
Not that guy but in the Midwest they sure are. Everyone was panic buying before the election thinking that they could sell the rifles at a premium after the bitch got elected. That plan backfired when ol' Trumpykins grabbed her buy the pussy and applied the grip. Now gun laws are poised to become very relaxed and help loosen the stranglehold of fear everyone was feeling for their scary black rifles.
>>714142081
laws wont change
>>714141257
you can literally get an AR for 500 bucks, are you really that poor?
>>714142226
aint that the truth, Trump wont undo the shit that the previous asshole president did while in office, but he certainly will not continue the trend, Ca is and still will be fucked
>>714142938
niggerama didnt really do anything
Mine
>>714137313
>Invest in a shotgun to protect your family indoors.
Shotguns aren't that great either. People who don't know what they are talking about like to say that shotguns are great because the spread is so great that you don't even have to aim. False. The spread at the ranges you have in a home invasion situation are very small. And buckshot has very deep penetration, so if you miss, the shot will be going directly through drywall and windows with no problem. Injuring people in other rooms or in the apartment/house next door would be your liability. A hand gun is infinitely superior to both options.
>>714141222
is that an mp5?
>>714137428
>Because I'm not a little bitch afraid of the world.
Neither am I, however I'd like to have an advantage during a home invasion.
>>714143170
what about a flamethrower?
>>714143170
Which handgun are you referring to not go through walls? Maybe a .45. Also, I use turkey load on a full choke for my home defense. A lot better than buck shot.
>>714143225
Kill yourself!
>>714143413
>Which handgun are you referring to not go through walls?
Anything hollowpoint is going to solve that problem.
>>714143225
Close. It's a clone of a G3, the MP5's big brother.
>>714143170
>what is birdshot.
Because my country has a naval fleet there times all other countries combined ... I'd have to elect a child as president to feel the need to own a weapon against other countries. But against niggers ? Glock me up baby!
>>714143549
9mm hollow is still going to go through walls easily.
>>714143574
>>what is birdshot.
A poor choice for defense. Yeah it solves the penetration issues, but just not the best option.
>>714143549
you are retarded. if your hollowpoint wont go through a wall it would probably just bounce of a person if you shot them with it.
>>714143099
jerry brown did
>>714143113
I feel stupid as fuck for laughing at this...
>>714143170
Which is why I load shells with rock salt and metal shavings
>>714143799
Haters will say it's fake.
>>714143906
Nah, that rifle is very real
>>714143755
?
Yes of course it's going to go through a wall. It's going to bust a hole in it. What it won't do is punch through cleanly and continue on still a lot of velocity still behind it like most shot will.
>>714137175
because I own a GM6 Lynx not some puss 5.56 pea shooter
>>714143170
I do agree to a point, but most people won't know how to handle their adrenaline to properly aim the weapon.
>>714143886
That will only injure. Someone broke into my aunt's house a long time ago. She shot him in the arse with rock salt loads, and he drove himself to the hospital to see if they could make the intense burning stop.
You don't want to cause unnecessary harm; you want to stop a threat. Incapacitation is the most effective method to stop a threat.
I need to get one or at least a lower before the end of the year. California has finally almost won in wrecking law abiding citizen.
It feels pretty bad man.
>>714144093
you are still retarded. go look up actual tests where they shoot through things like plywood, drywall, glass etc then come back when you realize you are wrong and dont know what youre talking about.
>>714139961
You're clearly too ignorant to understand that 5.56 is rather poor at penetrating walls. As compared to the heavier rounds of handguns that do not lose much velocity in walls.
Also, a pistol at fill extention is about as far from your body as an AR with 16" barrel.
The only benefits you get from using a pistol is the ability to shoot from retention and somewhat increased maneuverability.
>>714144093
Modern JHPs(HSTs, GoldDots, PDX1, etc) are made to have good barrier penetration, if you want something that wont go through a wall you need something like a frangible round.
>>714137175
You won't protect your country, your military will. And if you're fighting your own military, you're automatically fucked and will lose.
>>714144390
>>714144614
These tards that you two are quoting do not realize that it's the much greater mass behind pistol rounds COMBINED with the slower velocity that ends up causing the over penetration of non-armored targets.
>>714137175
>>714139961
Frangible rounds homie..
OH SHIT NIGGA I GOT DAT 60RD ASSAULT DRUMAZINE
>>714145334
Hell YEAH SON! And a Glock-brand Glock!
>>714143228
how common do you think home invasions are? and why would you need a low stopping power, high penetration weapon for that? I'm sure your neighbors will appreciate the lead you send through their house
>>714145334
>tactical buttplug on rail
AR is cool guy, I currently have 4
>>714142302
Yeah, if you want one that is shit and nothing to brag about. Just like how you can get a cheap AK, except cheaper AKs have less problems than cheaper ARs. Even then, both are still $650-750ish.
>>714145490
neighbors shmeighbors. they knew the risks of living in USA.
>>714137175
because you can't do any of those things with an ar-15. you can plink at the range or mag dump in a school, but there will never be an opportunity to use it for anything good
>>714145490
>Low stopping power
>High penetration
>AR?
Uhhh, you wrong nigga.
Specifically those two points are incorrect.
Because 12 gauge defender II
>>714144481
Obviously it depends on the type of ammunition used, but I'm pretty sure M855 can penetrante AR500 steel.
>>714137175
im not very knowledgeable about firearms in general, although i do own a few rifles and a pistol, ive been wanting to purchase aweapon with a bit more firepower too it, from what ive seen an "AR-15" is a pretty fucking generic AR. Do they come in different calibers? if so, whats a standard caliber for, say, home defense? .45?
(asking because im buying one soon, and want a bit of advice)
>>714137175
>>714137300
>>714138762
>>714139341
>>714141007
>>714141222
>>714143565
>>714145334
I don't get why you need anything more then a handgun to defend your home. It's not like there will be hordes of bandits swarming your house. No need for a 30-round military-grade assault rifle.
>>714145758
Which is why you don't use M855 for your home defense.
But in general 5.56 rounds tend to lose a shit ton of velocity and tumble, thus losing more velocity when they hit an object.
>>714145804
>Do they come in different calibers?
Yes
>whats a standard caliber for, say, home defense? .45
.45 ARs aren't that common. 9mm is more common. But for home defense the standard 5.56x45mm rifle round is superior to any handgun caliber due to high velocity fragmentation.
>>714137175
I enjoy my handguns more than an ar personally. Just bought a sig p320 and loving it for my daily carry
All of the outside walls of my apartment are brick. I'll shoot with whatever the fuck I want.
>>714137313
>not knowing about .223/5.56 ballistics in home defense settings
>still recommending a shotgun to overpen and kill your neighbors
>>714145911
>military-grade assault rifle.
>semi-automatic
>>714145911
>DERP DERP YOU DON'T NEED IT WHY WOULD YOU HAVE IT?
get cuck'd libtard.
>>714145911
I own them mainly to piss off faggots like you
>>714145804
wow. i dont even know where to start...Buying an AR in a pistol caliber like .45 is retarded, better off getting a hipoint carbine.
>>714145911
What exactly makes something "military grade"?
And what exactly makes that a bad thing for home defense?
Do you not want your weapon to go BANG every time you pull the trigger? Perhaps you prefer the thrill of not knowing whether or not you will have a failure to fire because your weapon isn't as reliable as a "military rifle".
>>714146135
You sure do give those faggots a lot of power over your money tbh. I have nothing against your rifles, just saying.
They are perfect for shooting the guy who broke into your house, and killing your neighbor's kid with one round
>>714146325
Maybe that kid should not of been following the nigger breaking in
>>714146058
To convert a semi-automatic weapon to fully-automatic takes less than five minutes and a paper clip.
>>714146058
its a lot more suitable for military use then home defence. Just look at the name "ASSAULT rifle" (not defence rifle).
>>714146067
10/10 argument, couldn't be better
>>714146135
i feel sorry for you in that case
>>714146455
you just have to remove the firing pin to make it full auto
My state doesn't allow guns unless you are military affiliated or a hunter.
Extremely small penis reporting in.
>>714146455
Lol wut?
We're you talking to Gary Johnson's VP candidate????
It requires a competent machinist to make the proper part.
>>714146455
oh boy. go to bed, kid
>>714146479
How retarded are you? AR means Armalite Rifle, idiot.
The faggotry in this thread is overwhelming.
Only pussies collect guns. Raging, basement dwelling pussies.
>>714146641
do you expect these retards who are scared of guns to actually know how guns operate on a mechanical level?
Because I regard my dick as adequately sized and don't think a gun would make it bigger if I didn't
>>714146613
Do you live in America?
>>714143746
Because birdshot will be less incapacitating than buckshot when being shot <25 yards
>>714146709
REAL MEN STUDY THE BLADE
>>714146709
I hope you get raped by Jamal and his pack of nignogs
>>714140983
3edgy5me
>>714146709
We don't have time to study the blade like you did you fedora wearing cuck
>>714146709
only idiots die because they didn't carry a firearm when the nigger shot them.
>>714146742
Unfortunately yes
>>714146720
No, I don't. They all believe the shoulder thing that goes up is what causes the rounds to fly 8 miles and destroy EVERYTHING within 50 ft of rounds path.
>>714146709
Unarmed cuck detected
>>714146851
Then yes, your state allows you to own a weapon.
It's your constitutional right.
Unless you're a felon, or not a citizen.
>>714146809
>implying there is anything on this planet edgier than a Trump supporter
>>714146675
try again
>>714146868
dont forget the cop killer armor-piercing holler point lazer boolits
I sleep with an FNX45 under my pillow
>>714146953
Hell, even noncitizens can own guns in America, as long as you're a legal resident.
>>714146953
Neither I have a clean record and am a citizen, and still not able to own a firearm can you guess what state?
>>714147003
ok, then define "assault rifle", you faggot.
>>714147015
Was thinking of getting an fn.....how do you like it? I got an s&w mp shield in my drawer bed side
>>714147170
Cali
>>714146851
Then you're just ignorant. All states allow some form of gun ownership but what guns you can specifically own will depend on state laws. In all states you can own revolvers, certain semiauto pistols and rifles, and 12 gauge pump shotguns. You should really do some research, you seem misinformed or just dumb.
>>714137175
I get government cheese for being a mentally ill genetic dead end. Not allowed to purchase firearms. Thanks Obama.
>>714147192
do you ccw your shield?
>>714147003
No, the other dude is right.
WIKIPEDIA is incorrect.
The AR-15 is not an assault rifle.
An assault rifle is: a select fire rifle that fires an intermediate caliber rifle round.
AR-15s are not select rifle. They cannot fire MORE than 1 round per trigger pull unless they have (in most cases) illegally modified.
>>714147240
Nope, very cold
>>714147170
Illinois.
They're the most restrictive state. You need to get out of that shithole.
>>714147291
>illegally modified.
or youre a retard and put the hammer spring in wrong
>>714146286
of course an assault rifle will protect your home. But it is way overkill when a handgun can do the job just fine. Unless you are autistic you wont need more then a handgun magazine to kill an intruder. I'm sure there are reliable handguns out there.
With no apparent advantages there is simply a higher risk that some edgy depressed /b/tard will shoot up a school.
>>714147255
Anon you don't live where I live it's the U.S apart from the U.S
>>714147287
Used to, i conceal my sig p320 and have my wife take the shield. Spent the extra on the vented slide but it was worth it. Damn reliable for sure
>>714147363
No sorry friend still very far from me
>>714146975
>>714147379
You are the autist because you haven't read any of my other posts in this thread.
5.56 is far from "overkill" in a home defense situation.
5.56 does not over-penetrate walls or explode limbs off of "victims"
>>714146455
Lol. My TI told me that trying to do shit like this might work, but once it gets firing, it ain't stopping until it's dry. That's if you don't fuck it up like your average dumb ass will
>>714147474
Hmmm....jersey? Maybe new Hampshire?
>>714147474
Mass-a-fucking-chusettes
Still a shithole.
>>714145696
>what is a convenient, comfortable, cheap, lightweight hunting/camping rifle that has plenty of available parts that can be bought at 99% of sporting stores?
>>714147489
Thanks for proving my point.
>>714137175
>>714147436
i carried a shield for a few years, have a XDS 9mm currently
>>714147661
>XD
Kill yourself.
>>714147363
Illinois fag reporting in. Took me 10 minutes to sign up for a FOID card and I got it in the mail two weeks later. The fuck are you on about? Only downside is purchasing firearms and ammo in Cook county because of the retarded 5 cent per bullet tax and other shit.
>>714147661
How was it for that long? I've only put about 250 rounds through it before giving it over to my wife, still feel it's reliable?
>>714147755
ok! XD
>>714147775
I've heard of some horror stories about gun ownership in Illinois.
And some stories from fellow cops who have been arrested by Illinois State Troopers for carrying while driving through the state.
>>714147775
>5 cent per bullet tax
Are you serious? I'm kek'ing over here. On the upside, I guess, it's not even enough to be annoying other than as a matter of principle.
>>714147291
whatever, my point is that its way overkill for home defence
>>714147188
im not gonna debate whether AR-15 is an assault rifle or not, that was not my intention. I was trying to argue that a handgun is enough to stop an intruder
>>714147640
Sorry buddy, but he's our president now. I disagree with him too, but at least I can accept it.
>>714147474
Hawaii
>>714147402
Ewww do you live in one of the territories?
>>714147564
Right on point NJ
>>714148024
I just said his supporters were edgelords, man.
>>714147854
Carried it for about 2 years, never had an issue with it. Probably had 1500 rounds through it of every weight and make.
>>714137175
Are these threads banned on /k/? Why is this on /b/?
>>714147590
That's another no tolerance firearm state
>>714148082
Yeah it is a bitch to get a carry permit there. Hell just getting a rifle or shotgun one is like what 250 and a wait? Im glad I'm not there anymore lol....jersey is fucked with gun laws....you can get a handgun one but you end up spending more for the permit alone than a damn firearm
>>714148002
"im going to make a claim and then when im proven wrong im just going to say that wasnt my point"
>>714145911
Never used one.
>>714147983
That's only in Cook county. There's also a $25 firearm purchase tax along with sales tax every time you buy a gun. I'm pretty sure citizens are only allowed one gun purchase per month too or some stupid shit. C(r)ook county is whack. Thank god I live in DuPage.
>>714148130
Good to hear, at the range it has proven to be a damn good gun, glad to hear after that many rounds it is still reliable
Implying that you will ever use that gun in self defense. If someone breaks into your house to kill you, he'll be the one with a gun ready to fire, not you. Why are gunowners too pussy to say they own guns for recreational use
>>714148002
Why stop at "enough?" When my life is on the line, I'd like to think I would do better than just adequate.
>>714148002
You can't really argue whether or not a pistol is "enough"
Someone will always be able to come up with a situation where it wasn't and another perfectly legal solution was called for.
Which is why no one can make a successful argument as to why you "only need" 10 rounds for your weapon.
>>714147003
>hurr durr look it says type: Assault Rifle
>therefore AR = assault rifle
Thats fucking wrong, you tard.
Explain literally Armalite anything, why its named AR____.
Explain the AR50 and AR24.
In fact, explain what a fucking assault rifle is. I dare you to define one.
>>714148002
You're right, my 10.5" AR HANDGUN is enough for me, thanks!
>>714147535
yeah 450 m effective range, 20-30 magazine, full auto (most of 5.56, not all) are all essentials for home defence.
>>714147916
It's not too bad. I'm not educated on the laws in other states regarding firearms but 90% of Illinois is chill. For some reason every cop in Illinois has autism so I can see where people might have trouble though. I've lived in Illinois all my life and have never met a cop taller than 5'6" kek
>>714148283
You can't have a concealed carry at all here, even if you get caught with an empty clip and no gun it's a major fine.
>>714148647
>full auto (most of 5.56, not all)
This is exactly why you lost this argument before you even started. A simple lack of accurate knowledge.
>>714140993
>"I would never do this, unless [obvious hypothetical and less than likely scenario]"
>YOU JUST CONTRADICTED YOURSELF FAGGOT PICK ONE
Are you daft?
>>714144481
You are clearly too ignorant to notice I never said shit about penetration??
>>714148432
yeah I'd trust my life with it. Only got rid of it because I needed $, sold it for $50 less than I bought it for brand new so it was a good deal. My dad has carried a shield for about a year, he likes it.
>>714145999
>assuming everyone is a poorfag like you who lives in an apartment
>>714148791
Right right, but i ment open carry, i thought you were allowed that no? With two actions before discharge (cocking and trigger pull)? Or is that totally gone now to? It's been over 10 years since i lived in jersey now so i really forget
Because i'm broke and i want something that is a quality build and accurate.
>>714148647
AR-15s are not fully automatic. If you want to fill out your forms and pay $200 you can have it modified. If you want to waste a shitload of ammo that is. But then again if you want to break the law and illegally modify it then what do you expect additional laws to do about it?And what does a "450m effective range" have to do with anything? Is it somehow useless for anything under 200m???
>>714148464
first of all, in most home invasion scenarios a handgun would probably be preferable due to its size and mobility.
Second of all, by fighting for your rights of owning assault rifles, you are also helping other edgelords get their hands on one. They may shoot up a public place and kill your loved ones.
>>714148470
someone will always be able to come up with a situation for anything. You could argue that you need a nuclear warhead to fight off an alien invasion. These "possible scenarios" should not be used as arguemnts
>>714148867
I was projecting what I thought your anti-AR argument would be. That's usually what faggot's mean when they try to claim an AR is ill-suited for home defense.
So once again the ball is in your court to make an argument as to WHY it is "overkill".
>>714148002
>AR stands for assault rifle
>look, wikipedia even proves it, it says the AR15 is an assault rifle
>therefore AR stands for assault rifle
Actually no thats wrong
>THAT WASNT MY INTENTION
>I NEVER SAID THAT
>LOOK, THATS BESIDES THE POINT
>>714149217
>If you want to fill out your forms and pay $200 you can have it modified.
It's not even that simple friend. Tax stamps aren't for full auto. The registry is closed. Only way full auto stuff(besides military) gets made now is for dealer samples and other stuff that won't be sold for private ownership.
>>714148323
i was wrong, it is not an assault rifle (even tho it can be converted). That was not my original point. But I admit that I was wrong. Happy?
>>714148987
Anon fuck no that is not allowed anymore, gov Chris raped us of that right. Where do you live I'm moving?
>>714147192
I'm serious. A 15 round mag full or 45 ACP. Super light weight. It's perfect.
>>714149336
Why do you need a car that can go faster than 80?
Why do you need to buy more than a six pack of beer?
Smoking more than a pack of cigarettes a day is incredibly dangerous! You shouldn't be able to buy any more than that!!!
>>714149415
>Tax stamps aren't for full auto
Yes they are, you still need a tax stamp to legally transfer a pre-1986 registered full auto
>>714149217
The person who I was responding to was talking abnout rifles that use 5.56. In addition I said (most not all) in which case I was referring to AR15 and other similar ones.
>>714149336
It's not my fault what other people "might" do. Most gun crime/murder is committed by people with handguns, not long guns. Sounds like you're the one encouraging the crime here.
>>714149553
You didn't say transfer you said modify. You can't legally just make something full auto like you can with an SBR or suppressor.
>>714149665
With stolen fires mind you.
But let's not mention that people who don't care about the laws aren't stopped by gun laws.
AND let's not mention that 50% of the murders in this country are committed by black people. Let's not confuse facts with reality here.
>>714149472
Military moved me to utah. Fucking best state for gun laws. You can open carry without a permit...just need to follow the two action rule... Concealed permits aren't expensive and roughly take a month to get. Literally can walk into the store, full out a page of info, they do a quick check and you are out the door. Also utah Concealed permits i believe have the most states that are joined in with it so travel is easy. Gotta say i love it
>>714148824
see ---> >>714149596
In addition, even if its not full auto, it can be modified. Also my other two arguments (450m range and 20-30 round magazine) are still in effect even if it is semi-auto
>>714149778
I'm not that person, you're right, he's wrong about the modifying as a non-FFL.
>>714149550
1. I believe there should be a speed limit on cars
2. You may need to buy beer for a party or simply stock up
3. You don't kill other people with cigarettes
>>714149837
OK see: >>714148464
Why should I not take every single advantage I can get to protect my own life or those of others?
>>714149778
I was confused then. My bad. (I am two quotes back talking about the tax stamp for modifying)
I am familiar with SBRs and suppressors but not full-auto crap.
Since FA guns are a complete waste I seldom give a shit about them...
>>714149833
>Fucking best state for gun laws. You can open carry without a permit.
Uh...most states have nonpermit open carry WITHOUT that stupid 2-action rule. Utah really isn't that good.
>>714149526
Nice. Was thinking of going that route for my .45 or going ruger 1911...planning on snagging one in the next few weeks though I'm worried on the ammo expense. My 9mm are so cheap i can burn through those boxes without worry
>>714149964
Did you also suppose the idea of the New York ban on large sodas?
>>714150082
Support*
>>714149964
>You don't kill other people with cigarettes
what is secondhand smoke? What is smoking while pregnant?
>>714149665
Is any crime stopped by long guns? If you get mobbed do you pull out your ar-15 from you backpack and show the thief what you got?
>>714149987
Yeah i fucked up on that my bad, i ment the conceal permit is one of, if not the best in the county
>>714148002
>its more than enough to save your life
So say I, for some reason, walked upon you crawling across the desert.
You're extremely dehydrated and will surely die in exactly 60 minutes unless I give you *at least* 1 cup of water. You tell me that anything less than 1 cup will be used in less than an hour, and you'll again be in danger of immediately dying.
Biology and science aside, wouldn't you be happier if I gave you a gallon as opposed to a cup and walked away?
I like to think that the saying "less is more" quickly goes out the window when youre facing your demise
>>714150171
That's true. I appreciate that Utah also hands out nonresident permits. I have my nevada permit but a utah permit is valid in more states.
>>714150145
Not to mention causing a burden on the healthcare system by intentionally causing yourself ill health.
>>714150082
no, people can eat themselves to death if they want. IDC.
>>714137175
Because owning an assault rifle increase the odds of me getting shot.
>>714138762
Dat SVT and spam cans tho. My nigga.
>>714150171
Not that that other Anon but Utah does not sound that appealing to me I might try Florida
>>714149837
Do you think the military switches to handguns when they need to clear rooms?
>>714150161
It absolutely is. I'd pull my USP9c from it's holster. Long guns are better at home and pistols for when I'm out and about.
>>714150390
You going to shoot yourself?
>>714149370
Neeeeever said it was overkill either, bud.
>>714149336
The possibility of goverment turning on its citizens has happened so many times through history its not even funny.
>>714150342
So then why would you support (from what it sounds like, you would) a magazine capacity limit?
>>714146727
>Mass-a-fucking-chusettes
>Still a shithole.
Just renewed my Mass. CCW last week. Took me a whole 15 minutes of pleasant conversation while an attractive young lady at the police station entered and updated my info in the computer. Handed her $100. Signed a form. And I'm good to carry a concealed handgun for the next 5 years.
What's your problem with Mass.?
>>714150436
>Florida
Enjoy the single worst state in the union. I mean I'm not defending Utah, fuck Mormons, but Florida is absolute nigger tier in every regard.
>>714149969
see ----> >>714149336
>>714150477
How many times has it happened in US? We don't live in Africa for god's sake
>>714150507
I live in Missouri and no longer require a CCH permit. Constitutional Carry.
>>714150390
>owning an assault rifle increase the odds of me getting shot.
HOLY SHIT, AND OWNING A POOL IN YOUR BACKYARD INCREASES YOUR ODDS OF DROWNING IN YOUR BACKYARD HOLY FUCKIN SHIT
>>714150534
Fuck if that's what Florida is where should I move Texas?
>>714150637
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Athens_(1946)
>>714150056
Just saying, yes, it is a heavier round... twice the size of a 9mm... but statistically, 3 times more people don't get up from a .45 shot than an 9mm. That's why the FBI backed if for so many years.
>>714150637
And so that means that human nature doesn't apply here.
Totes couldn't happen here bro!!!
>>714150662
No pool = no drowning in my backyard :^)
>>714137175
>large ass scope
Why.
>>714150449
I think you need to reread >>714150161
>>714150056
Case and point, .45 ACP seems to be the way to go
>>714149336
>by supporting ARs, you're making it harder on yourself because the support raises availability which raises risks of kids owning one and shooting up a school with it
So youre saying the key to supporting AR platform rifles is to be AGAINST them?
Let me guess, youre like that one politician who said letting other men fuck your wife makes you the stronger man?
>>714147170
new york
>>714150686
I mean if you were thinking Florida before, you have 49 other options that are all better than that one. Where do you live now?
>>714147015
Everything but the slide and barrel is polymer...
>>714150436
I lived in florida for college and hated it lol.I'm actually flying there tomorrow for a business trip. They make you do a fair bit of courses with different departments before getting your concealed, and if you get caught with drugs or dui shit you will lose it. But Florida is pretty good on giving them up it seems. Was reading up on it with this ccw app
>>714150842
And the trigger group.
Like the glock. What's your issue?
>>714138762
>left handed
Why'd you get a snowflake AR that 90+% out there aren't 100% compatible replacement parts for it?
I'm a lefty, I just shoot a normal AR configuration.
>>714150479
lol you are quite dense alright.
Fatties don't stuff others with food
Gun owners DO stuff others with lead.
There is a difference between self-harm and harm to others.
>>714150820
Your trolling, wealthy people from Philly move to Jersey your telling me the wealthy from NY move there as well?
>>714150565
The only time a handgun would be preferable to me is when I carry concealed. Unless I'm living in one of those Japanese cubicles, I would much rather have my AR15 for home defense.
>>714150773
You asked two questions:
>Is any crime stopped by long guns?
The answer is yes.
>If you get mobbed do you pull out your ar-15 from you backpack and show the thief what you got?
If I got mobbed at home then yes, I would use my AR15. If I was walking down the street then I would use the concealed handgun that I carry. Context is important.
>>714150917
No issue. That was a compliment to the gun.
>>714150932
The VAST, overwhelming amount of murders in this country are committed by people who did not legally purchase the firearm they used for that purpose.
So, go ahead and punish the people who follow the law because of cunts who see to disobey the law.
>>714150714
some god forsaken county in a god forsaken state. It was nothing on a federal level.
>>714150742
it hasn't yet
>>714150534
Luckily mormons aren't as big of a deal out here. Shit before getting married mormin chicks were the easiest to bang due to the whole sexual tension stuff lol...but I've been here for little over 5 years and their ways are dieing rather rapidly since I've been here
>>714151175
So that means it's impossible.
History never repeats itself.
>>714137175
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pA8DdkM2Wqo
>>714137313
300 AAC sub sonic AR-15 cough cough...
>>714151222
Nice trips. I have a friend (atheist) who's in SLC now and actually really likes it, but says the rest of the state seems to still be pretty fucked up.
>>714150686
Texas is shitty to....some spots are nice. So if you want more gun freedom between florida or texas, id go texas
>>714151347
>special snowflake round that will never make it anywhere big because of proprietary ownership
Same shit happened with the .50Beowulf
i do
>>714150771
To aim, nitwit
>>714151050
I see where the confusion was. By mobbed I was referring to a robbery outside of your home.
This brings me back to the start in a loop where I claimed that rifles were an overkill for home protection. Considering this argument, it is logical that long--guns don't stop crime
>>714137175
AR 15's aren't for self defense, they're for medium range (50-400 yard) targets. In the time it takes for you to bring your weapon to bear, they can easily close a gap and take it from you.
Get a shitty little .22 pistol for home defense. You won't be killing anything with it, but it also won't be going through your walls and killing your family, and it's more than enough to stop a felon in their tracks.
>>714148961
>assuming every single homeowner is in a detached house with hundreds of yards before the next house
>>714151372
Without a doubt some spots are still fucked, im currently in North slc and not religious at all...but i have noticed a change in the short time I've been here for the better. The Mormons are trying to make their religion more attractive to young people or something to that effect because the younger generation of them at leaving it lol
>>714151147
were these guns manufactured illegally as well?
>>714141222
similar to my setup, now get on robert RTG and get yourself a metal lower for the G3 the "navy" plastic one is a huge piece of shit.
>>714151443
Seems as though I won't be able to win anywhere on the east coast, Georgia looks beautiful though.
>>714151743
Generally they are stolen
>>714151743
If we just stop manufacturing all firearms we clearly wont have any more crimes!!!
Let's get rid of all guns!!
>>714151496
>M&P
technically it counts i guess
>>714143565
Again please get on robert rtg and get a metal lower that plastic piece of poop is, well I said it.
>>714151496
Is that top one a CA legal AR or some shit??
Do you live in CA??
>>714149964
1. Why have a car capable of going faster than the speed limit?
2. You may need to buy ammo/guns for a party or simply stock up
3. You don't kill other people with guns if you don't fucking point it at them
>>714151832
Just stay as far from atlanta as possible. Nigger central there man....not all of Florida is bad...i hated the east coast of it, so the west side may be better
>>714151511
>Needing a scope to aim
What are you retarded?
You don't need a scope that large for that kind of rifle unless the only thing you use it for is to go to the shooting range every month to prove to yourself that you made a good investment.
>>714151657
That logic doesn't follow just because you say it does.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGBEDCxmyzs
>>714151823
>>714151885
That is a metal lower.
>>714151238
possible (today, barely) in another god forsaken county. but again, not on federal level.
>>714151147
This. Hell, look at California.
>We have many deaths and many firearms incidents, therefore we need stricter gun laws
>2 years later
>Help, our laws have made it harder to own guns, but haven't made a difference in violence!
>The answer is obvious, we need to reform and set more laws!
>rinse and repeat every couple years
>>714151480
Negative it is a great CQC round even better suppressed. But in operations further than 50 yards, its comparable to a snowflake.
50BE never had traction IMO, the 458 SOCOM is where its at if you want to go that route.
A different tool for every job.
if you live anywhere near major citys with riots you should have a an AR due to BLM riots
>>714151672
>.22 for defense
At least try to bait.
>>714151823
>>714151885
That is a metal lower. Pic related is a polymer one.
>>714151998
Taking what you've said into consideration I'm thinking about it, further west I presume.
>>714152054
Sure, a tyrant like Adolf Hitler wasn't elected by the people or anything. Evil people who have evil intentions are always obvious!
We shouldn't delude ourselves into thinking it is impossible. By being ignorant to that possibility is how we elevate our chances of falling victim to such problems.
>>714150145
What is second hand smoke when compared to a fucking bullet?
>>714152193
Listen, if a racoon or a gang of possums invade the .22 is a viable option
>>714150924
Yknow, I always wonder if some lefty shooting a right handed rifle ever flinched from a hot shell going down his shirt and blasted an Iraqi kid on accident or something. Shit used to happen constantly with my .22 as a kid.
>>714152324
I just prefer not to be as far West as tornado country
>>714151974
holy shit, you shouldn't have said that, now you look like a complete autist
1. ???
2. Im not saying there should be a limit on how much ammo/pistols you can have
3 GUNS WERE MADE EXACTLY FOR KILLING OTHER PEOPLE
>>714152399
No, I don't. It's not like that, unless you're shooting a bullpup you haven't modified for us wrong-handed shooters.
>>714152018
>What is target shooting
>What is hunting
>What is literally any kind of shooting.
Idk if you noticed, but there are no iron sights. Yeah, sure, you can buy some Troy or Fagpul flip-ups, but what happens when your target is smaller than your front post? What happens when you start encountering wind, cross winds, etc?
Also, its an average size scope. Probably a 3-9x32 or somethin, nothing "huge".
>>714152324
Yeah, my im going to eglin afb for my trip and i do hear the western side is nicer. This will be my first time out that way. Hell some of the little towns by orlando or tampa are ok...just a high cost of living...but since you are from jersey you probably won't notice much of s price difference
Because I need no weapon. My bare hands are weapons enough.
>>714152539
You clearly can't use firearms for any other purpose.
You can't present a firearm and deter a criminal.
You can't have fun shooting targets.
You can't kill animals for hunting.
You can only kill people. Thats the ONLY thing they do.
Tools can be used and misused. Misusing tools usually wind up and people getting hurt or killed.
>>714150796
what do you mean by
>So youre saying the key to supporting AR platform rifles is to be AGAINST them?
Im saying that you shouldn't support assault rifles because by supporting them you are letting kids shoot up schools.
>>714152539
Guns were made to efficiently move lead faster than previously capable. Just because you have a deep rooted urge to murder people it doesn't mean that innocent lead acceleration devices need to be demonized by you.
>>714152799
I throw my table saw at beehives to get honey....i didn't want it to just cut stuff.
>>714152458
Tornados don't stray into major city limits very frequently.
But we still have a huge Nigger problem out here in Missouri. Can't escape it here.
Des Moines though....
>>714143113
Those feet... Christ.
>>714152245
G3 a worst.
FAL a best.
>>714151974
Cars need to be able to go faster than the speed limit because if they couldn't, it would be very stressful on the engine to keep you going at top speeds all the time. You wouldn't be able to get more than a few hundred miles at highway speeds on a car that maxed out at 65.
It also helps them to accelerate quickly, which is necessary for merging onto highways.
>>714152193
I've personally used a .22 to disable a home invader. One in the leg and the fucker went down.
This isn't the movies/videogames, kids. Bullets fucking hurt and people aren't meat shields.
It is an absolute fact that .22lr ammo stops more home invaders than any other ammo in the USA. Period. Get some Stingers and enjoy being protected without as many of the associated risks.
>>714152619
Exactly I appreciate your way of living you must know the cost of living in this joke of a state. Out of Orlando or out of Tampa must be somewhat better than here thank you.
>>714152960
Guns can't EVRR be used for good purposes. It's just an undeniable fact. Guns are pure evil and even touching one can get you killed!
>>714152799
im arguing aggainst long guns, not against all guns
1. you can deter a criminal with a handgun perfectly well
2. Go to a shooting range and shoot some targets if you want, no need to own one
3. non semi-automatic hunting rifles are ok
