How is this difficult to understand?
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
How is this difficult to understand?
Because not all muslims are isis but all isis are muslims
>>713398740
Well shit. A sand nigger is a sand nigger.
>>713398522
False equivalency
>doesn't look like me
>doesn't believe in the same god as me
>doesn't talk like me
THREATTHREATTHREAT!!!
>>713398522
Because islam is a religion of hate, ISIS is just acting on it.
the only difference between white christians and westboro is that westboro doesn't worship soldiers. if westboro stop protesting soldiers funerals then the right would 100% be on their side
also westboro is only like 30 people whereas the isis is considerable larger than that
>>713399133
nice feet
>>713399319
Christianity is a religion of hate
>>713399352
>difference between white Christians and westboro is that westboro doesn't worship soldiers
No
>westboro is only like 30 people whereas the Isis is considerable larger than that
So? How does that detract from the original point.
>>713399319
Like Christianity isn't.
>>713398522
White Christians aren't responsible for the biggest genocide in human history. Not to mention living in a country filled with something makes you know it a lot more.
that's why non-muslim people living in islamic countries hate islam so much. Is that hard to understand?
>>713399319
All religions are religions of hate. Sorry to burst your bubble.
>>713399856
>>713399468
do you have any idea how full of good morals and loving your neighbour even if they're unbelievers the new testament is?
>>713399779
the key word is 'representative'
the larger the subgroup is the more it represents the group
>>713398522
A majority of Christians don't support WBBC or the KKK. However muslims...
I can't differentiate between white Christians and KKK members; all whites are racist cisgendered pieces of SHIT that need to die -- unlike peaceful Muslims.
>>713398522
kinda like saying "Water only kills you sometimes, and fire only kills you sometimes, therefore having fire around is just as safe as having water around."
Im white and I think all christians are scum and I do not associate with any of them and completely stop talking to people when I find out they go to church. So fuck you OP. Also I do have a bunch of friends. Just took a while to amass an actual group. For a while Id have 1-3 friends at a time. But it was definitely worth hating everyone to get to this point.
>>713400235
shit bait
>>713398522
it isn't but it is hardly equivalent
the KKK is a small fringe group, the Westborough baptist church is an extended family
ISIS is a group occupying large parts of two Arab countries, significant parts of a third and has started making gains in Afghanistan. Islamic terrorism in the wider sense is an even bigger issue and looking at the pew surveys there is significant enough support for various aspects of it within Muslim populations around the word.
Islam does have a serious issues with extremist groups, Christianity doesn't have anywhere near the same issues...
the hate preaching of the Westboro Baptist church against gays isn't too different to a fairly normal Muslim cleric in a place like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia
Well for one thing the Christians speak English.
When some shitskin is running around all "abullah dah budillah lah allah ahumah" I can't understand a fucking word it's saying.
I don't know if it wants to kill me or rape my family then kill me.
Who fucking cares anyway? Anyone who's hard-core religious deserves to be shot in the head anyway.
Believing in something is fine.
When it gets to telling other people how to live and think, that is where you can fuck right off.
>>713398740
thats exactly the fucking point
not all christians are KKK but all KKK are christians
how fucking dumb are you?
>>713398522
Most christians denounce the KKK and Westboro.
Most muslims support ISIS or at least the idea of an islamic state.
Most sane people wish they'd all die in one big tirefire together.
>>713400510
there's plenty of atheist kkk members. they're just called alt-right now
>>713399059
nah, it's a true equivalency..
>>713398522
Yes Christians live, all others die.
Kill allahu the muzzie shitskin dune coons and allahu their fallowers.
There,done.
>>713398522
The problem is that close to 100% of all Muslims believe that it should be illegal to be homosexual, that Jews should be killed on sight and same for transgendered people (who should be treated really but not punished) and they are against freedom of speech.
Even moderate Muslims hold very extreme views compared to the majority of people in the west and those views don't change when Muslims migrate to the west.
All the people the left supposedly care about and want to protect are the people Muslims wants to eradicate or make their behavior illegal.
>>713398522
why are females more inclined to say retarded shit all the time?
>>713398522
And we (white people) woke up and practically wiped out the kkk, whites are so cucked nowadays we are doing the opposite with islam (pic related)
Tolerance is going to kill us
>>713400696
hurr durr i has the dumbs
>>713400050
Its easy to cherrypick the good stuff.
>>713401064
Literally everything is good in the NT apart from homosexuality being bad.
NICE FEET
>>713398522
>>713401226
and the whole "jesus is a socialist that literally existed" part.
>>713400050
Wouldn't striking off their heads be enough?
Waddaya gotta cut the fingers and toes for after they are dead?
>>713401406
to insight further hatred and obtain a lust for gore.
>>713399319
As are all Abrahamic religions.
>>713400223
...don't support ISIS either.
>>713400510
Not as dumb as you. The Klan has people of many faiths including atheists. Fucktard
>>713400223
... are the primary target of isis.
>>713398522
Christians denounce the KKK. Muslims are silent when it comea to ISIS
>>713398522
The KKK has only killed 3000 people in history.
Westboro hasn't killed anyone.
ISIS and other muslim groups have committed 29,812 deadly attacks since 9/11/2001.
Fidel Castro killed nearly 6 million
And socialism/communism has killed 92 million.
Wake up you stupid fuckers.
We have answers for muslims pic related
>>713401861
lol no.
>>713401880
And the only group it's composed of
>>713401861
This is laughable
>>713400641
the kkk is a club specifically for religious racist cunts. you have to be christian (and NOT catholic, cause they hate them as much as blacks for some reason) to join
>>713398522
>>713400890
cumdumps cant logic
>>713398522
I don't see what her point is. ISIS aren't the only Muslims committing evil. They're just the most brazen ones. The others have the sense to hide until they're ready to act and to die in the commission of their crimes.
>>713398522
the Quran clearly says to slaughter all those who stand in the way of Allah. Muslims have done nothing but fuck up Europe and now theyre here in Canada fucking up my country. theyre a bunch of pussies, they leave the women to fight ISIS and the men flee to Europe where they can fight police plenty well
the amount of backlash Trudeau is getting over the refugees now makes me nothing but happy, we have our own problems in this country we dont need to solve the middle easts and bring over a bunch of sand niggers too
>>713401935
>Fidel Castro killed nearly 6 million
Actually Fidel Castro only murdered 30,000
The difference between an extremist Muslim and a moderate Muslim is that an extremist will try to kill you for being an infidel, and a moderate will hope the extremist kills you for being an infidel.
There is no mass outcry from so-called "moderates" when extremists riot and murder newspaper publishers for printing pictures of Mohammad, or ex-Muslims for leaving the religion, or Christians for criticizing Islam. Instead, they just say "we don't do that!" When the KKK firebombs a black church, or the WBC celebrates the shooting of a homosexual night club, Christians do more than just say "we don't do that!" They fund the rebuilding of the black church, or they form a protective line to prevent the WBC from harassing grieving families. They say "we don't do that, because that is not right!"
Moderates Muslims don't tell extremists that they don't represent the faith, they only tell white non-Muslims that the extremists don't represent the faith.
>>713401935
westboro killed me
WITH LAUGHTER
>>713401861
LOL
Clearly you know jack shit about the KKK cause it's an intrinsically religious group. Not all white supremacists are KKK even if they agree with them.
>>713401923
except they do
>And socialism/communism has killed 92 million.
those people died due to totalitarianism. socialism is not inherently totalitarian.
and incidentally, capitalism kills millions of people too. albeit indirectly.
>>713400827
Except fapping to tranny porn, this sounds very much like your average /b/tard.
>>713402069
chauvinist /b/tards can't get laid
>>713400569
>Most muslims support ISIS or at least the idea of an islamic state.
nope
>>713400368
Was in agreement with OP until I read this. Although I still think it's absurd to categorically write off all muslims.
>>713402404
id rather fuck a man than the chick who posted that
also cumdumpster detected, tits or gtfo sjw nigger
>>713401935
>Fidel Castro killed nearly 6 million
>And socialism/communism has killed 92 million.
I believe every pic my baby-boomer grandfather shares on facebook: the post.
>>713402286
>capitalism kills millions of people too. albeit indirectly.
Not true, as the U.S. being rich from capitalism is a generous country that sends billions in food aid to famine ridden communist places in the world
>>713400827
>100% of all Muslims
>>713398522
kkk eat shit
>>713401994
its like youre calling catholics and protestants the same thing.
>>713402494
I thought this was Bernie Sanders' "asking the rich to pay their fair share" bit with a gunman beside him.
>>713402650
it's cute you think only SJWs would say calling women illogical cumdumpsters makes you an asshole. it's k, I was 13 once too.
>>713401226
Except for, you know, the Israelites sacking entire cities and slaughtering everyone inside down to the last infant.
If you overlook god sanctioning that... well you're left with a lot of sacrifice and polygamy.
>>713399059
So you're here on /b/ for, what, all those hot Christian trap threads?
>>713402589
the fact that the Quran says to slaughter all those that get in the way of Allah kinda writes them all off. if youre Jewish, Catholic, Christian, Buddhist, whatever youre in the way of Allah in their eyes
they can do whatever the want in the middle east and hate gays, oppress women, etc but if you move here to Canada and refuse to stand for the national anthem, say you hate this country, and get offended by me saying merry Christmas you can fuck right off back to sand land
>>713400971
I am not tolerant of these lefty cancers. Tolerance has led us where we are today.
>>713399133
Nice feet
>>713398522
Because Mohammed was a pedophile, and he is their perfect example.
>>713400890
You can't learn from your mistakes if you don't realize they're mistakes. If a man says something stupid, he'll get called a dumbass and possibly get his ass beat. If that happened to women they wouldn't say this kind of shit. Instead, some beta will come along and praise her, thinking if he does it enough she'll fuck him.
Men are the ones enabling women to be cunts. If we treated them like they were worthless, they'd spend more time trying to prove they have worth instead of acting like their shit don't stink.
>Isis is fucking shit up
>"FUCKING SANDNIGGERS SAVAGES ERADICATE MUSLIMS REEEEEEEEEE!"
>soldiers fighting and dying against Isis are also Muslims
>"................"
>>713402286
Someone who doesn't see every thing black and white
>>713402949
NT stands for New Testament.
Personally, I could do without Isis & Islam both.
I can also do without the kkk which I already do because the kkk is hardly even a thing anymore.
>>713398522
When was the last KKK terrorist attack? Remind me again pls....
>>713398522
I hate Islam though
It's an ignorant and aggressive religion that threatens contemporary standards of civility and human rights.
>>713398740
Kek'd
>>713403125
>kkk is hardly even a thing anymore
this. the sensationalist media likes to cover their meetings and try to connect it to trump, but they ignore the larger protest crowds outside the kkk rallies. it gets people to read their articles.
>>713398522
Westboro is a "church" of lawyers who push as far as they can, then when someone snaps on them they sue them. It's not religious lol
>>713398522
>Westboro is a clan
>mostly one family, less than 100 people, from a nation of 300 million
>The worst thing they do is hold up offensive signs
>ISIS is a clan
>Tens of thousands of members across dozens of countries
>regularly torture and execute people for ideological differences and film it to jack off to later
>"same"
>>713400971
KKK took things too far with physical violence. if there was a group that wasnt as violent but demanded more recognition that theres racism against us whites and was for white pride sign me up
until then, there can be all black schools but create an all white school and it'll cause a national catastrophe
>>713401226
>Literally everything is good in the NT
I guess that explains why Alex Jones sounds like a modern-day John the Revelator.
Is Donald Trump really the Whore of Babylon?
>>713402217
Coherent logic based arguments on /b/, what is the world coming to?
>>713398522
this
>>713398522
That doesn't make any sense
>>713398522
>comparing one religion to another religion
Islam is shit regardless of any other religion
>>713402860
truth hurts its k
I know 13 was a whole couple years ago but raptor jesus willing youll get smarter and less whiny soon unlike the rst of your shit tier generation
>>713399133
nice feet
nigger
>>713398522
This is actually a really good point, but when shit like
>>713403467
happens for real, it really undercuts any other message they wanted to get out.
>>713403061
if fucking a 9 yr old wife is good enough for the prophet muhammad its good enough for me
>>713403467
This is the cycle of stupid
>>713398522
Yet nobody lives in fear of KKK bombings
EVERYBODY LOVES PROTEIN!!!!
https://youtu.be/ty28Ujv_vZY
>>713403507
All religions are practically identical, it's just a 'you have a different imaginary friend, auspicious days, dietary requirements and founding country than I do, therefore you suck' problem.
>>713400641
>alt-right
Let me guess you eat up whatever is on the news, faggot?!
>>713400002
White Christians are responsible for the three greatest genocides of all time.
>>713403507
>Comparing an abrahamic religion to another abrahamic religion
Really makes me think
>>713400002
>White Christians aren't responsible for the biggest genocide in human history
You mean killing all the native americans?
>>713404095
And they learned a hard lesson from them too..not sure what your point is
>>713400696
>religious groups talk and protest
>religious groups conquer, torture, and murder
>equivalent
???
>>713400739
I can't wait for you to die ;)
>>713398522
Enlisting army to fuck with tumblr
>>713401530 → #
>>713404185
Not denying this, just want to see some genocide numbers if anyones got em'
>>713404263
My point is we didn't learn shit from them when we deny them
>>713404095
fuck yeah!
if youre gonna do something do it right dont half ass it!
>>713404449
Lol cry more faggot
>>713404345
Hold your breath while you wait.
>>713404533
When you look in the mirror do you see the monster we see? I'm sure your family sees...
>>713404339
one group is older than the other.
>>713398522
i can't differentiate between any of those groups... well, except that the christian ones believe jesus is the son of god, and the muslim ones believe muhammad was the greatest profet. but when it comes to their values they're all indistinguishable.
>>713400368
You mean ISIS that formed after al-qaeda who were originally formed by Americans? In the end, it's Christians who pulled the strings to create ISIS
>>713404533
>>713404615
You both need to kys
>>713404529
Kek, hate more cuck.
>>713404648
And they will deny it and blame it on the (((jews)))
>>713400396
jehovah's witnesses?
>>713402654
>>713402674
Why do people care about all these people being killed in 3rd world shitholes?
Can you imagine if millions weren't killed, it would be even worse than it is now.
And almost all of that population growth has been in 'developing nations'.
>>713404615
All republicans should ask themself this question
>>713402038
>some reason
probably because they think catolics are heretics
>>713403420
Yes, it's called the alt right.
>>713404404
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides_by_death_toll
>>713404860
dude it says in the bible the earth is our domain that god will provide for us and we need to spread our seed.
fuck off with your university liberal science bullshit that we all know is just a conspiracy to make the government bigger and give people on the top more power.
>>713404616
You're right! It's not like Islam has been doing this for centuries or anything!
>>713405033
>university liberal science bullshit
Someone's a dense fuck
>>713404185
> all the native americans
They are still around stupid, and their population has been growing for decades
Not a genocide
>>713404914
Don't fucking take my post and twist it faggot!
Maybe all racists could ask themselves that question, but you with your fear mongering on about the other side being evil makes you sound just as ridiculous as them
>>713404709
Will do, mudslime nigger sympathizer
>>713405225
or ya got trolled there son!
If you want Muslims to live in your country, that's fine. Let them start by surrounding your neighborhood and take a random muslim man in with no background whatsoever and prove how tolerant and hospital you are. You should at least take the time to understand why they left, and it's not because they're Syrian refugees, most muslims migrating to Europe are mainly from Somalia, Nigeria, and everywhere else but Syria while claiming to be Syrian refugees.
They aren't leaving a war zone, they're leaving an economic disaster region propelled by Sharia Law only to come to a 1st world country and demand the same Sharia Law destroy wherever they go and migrate elsewhere when the land has been drowned by their theological fascism and catastrophic economic pestilence only for their children to do the same everywhere they find opportunities not just for jobs, but for imposing their theocracy on freedom all around the world.
>>713405245
>there are still jewish people therefore the holocaust wasn't a genocide
Not all Muslims are radicals, but compared to any other religion, a disproportionate number ARE radicals. The bleeding hearts use "racism" as a strawman argument, but if you even marginally follow current events, you'll see that terrorists are taking advantage of the west's Kindness.
The Klan isn't sending it's men to Europe under false pretences to spread their message of hate, while the terrorists are. But it's ok, because more and more people aren't taking the bleeding hearts seriously anyway.
>>713405282
Hard to differentiate a troll and a conservative...
>>713405282
>or ya got trolled there son!
"I'm a Muslim, it's not what the media portrays me to be. They put the picture in people's heads."
Really it was just practical experience.
Fuck multiculturalism.
>>713398522
all muslim are isis but not all muslim are isis.
>>713405350
You think you're being sarcastic, but you should rethink that thought over and over until you realize there isn't any genocide of either of the two.
>>713403187
>Terrorist attack?
You mean the mentally ill person who killed many people right. You can take your bullshit and shove it back up your ass.
>>713405287
Those are called Economic Rufugees and while being very progressive and liberal I condemn them when they come in droves and lie about the reason for immigrating, they can rekt an economy.
>>713398522
wow this person seems like they say lots of smart things i like twitter there is a lot of smart people there
>>713405648
from the dictionary definition of a genocide:
the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.
>>713398522
Actually it helps me most in differentiating between sane people and the loonies who believe in a sky god and will do anything they think pleases him.
>>713405350
I don't give a shit about the jews either, they have gotten rich over whining over ww2
Every culture is allowed to defend themselves it seems except whites
>>713405648
the term "genocide" was created to explain what happend in the holocaust. it is literally what happened.
>>713405903
So if I believe in Mother Earth Gaia, we coo?
Ahuh, yeah. Christianity and Islam are totally comparable.
This is where leftists show their true colors. They'll insist they care about the rights of LGBT, gays and other minority groups, but even though Islam is like a mustache twirling cartoon bad guy version of all the hate and oppression they claim to stand against they'll give them a free pass because most of them are sort of brown.
>>713401254
putting the wtc there
>bruh
>>713405781
I understand that part of being progressive is being PC, but I hope other progressives realize that they're not from Syria and call them economic refugees since that's more of an accurate way to describe them. And they're only economic refugees since they did it to themselves, and if they couldn't dig money from the ground to build wealth, they would have still be living in tents killing each other with primitive weapons for snippets of land previously owned by their fathers or some ancestral descent.
If you have a strong voice with your PC friends, please make sure to correct them if they dare use the word "Syrian refugees" since we know that's not the case.
>>713406010
If you believe blowing up a school bus in the name of Gaia, then no, we ain't coo.
>>713405246
I wish more people criticized the retards in their own party like this.
Islam is only the religion of peace if you're Islamic. The Quran is full of passages that tell you to kill those who wish not to convert.
>>713406224
Gaia is not Allah, faggot
Leave your religions aside for a moment and join your brothers in the epic battle against the Lugenpresse!
>>>/pol/100677279
/sg/ saved your asses by stalling the globalists offensive!
Now its your turn. Bullycide the Lugenpresse into oblivion!
THIS IS NOT A DRILL!
>>713406224
But the carbon emissions!
>>713398522
Muslims don't belong in this country or in any other first world civilization period. They will never be able to fully assimilate do to their oppressed upbringing as well as the strict laws of their religion. I can't understand why they would want to "immigrate" to a country that they view as an enemy country...unless...
>>713398522
>Imply there is a difference in any of them
There are shitty people in the world, there are mostly shitty people in the world, They will often use any excuse to be a shitty person, having a 'cause' gives them a reason to be a shitty person.
>>713405858
I wish people would realize the white genocide happening around them in every country that was ever once lead by whites.
>>713400971
is funny how feminazis & sjw defend islam but in the other hand look how muslims treat their own women
but again sjw don't say a shit about it
>>713406341
All scripture is ambiguous, it's what makes it so powerful. You can take any bit and twist it to mean a thousands things.
>>713398522
Because even though a "small pct" are in ISIS, that number still surpasses a million. That's not even mentioning the 10s of millions who harbor hate for all of western civilization, choice and liberalism.
You fucking retard
>>713398522
because the kkk may through a rally near my house, but isis will kill me for being atheist. will repress american woman, and instill sharia law.
People who make up kkk: lawyers, judges firemen, and rednecks.
People who make up isis: Muhammad the goat fucker.
AVE MARIA, DEUS VULT! We need another Crusade.
>>713406355
Allah is the same god as the christian and jewish god, so they're blowing up school buses in the name of the abrahamic god.
>>713398522
gr8 b8, I r8 it 8/8. you would have to be muslim to see the difference. just like you'd have to be american to know the difference between kkk and christians.
>>713400368
>the hate preaching of the Westboro Baptist church against gays isn't too different to a fairly normal Muslim cleric in a place like Pakistan or Saudi Arabia
THIS.
At their most basic levels, Christianity and Islam are about following the life and teachings of Jesus and Muhammad respectively.
Whereas Jesus was peaceful and apolitical, Muhammad is well documented to have been a violent conqueror.
So while there certainly are violent and evil Christians- they are by definition BAD christians that don't follow the example of Christ. And while there are decent, peaceful Muslims- they are by definition BAD Muslims that don't follow the example of Muhammad.
Furthermore, sheer numbers prove that Islam is evil. The WBC is a small group. There are literally millions of Muslims around the world that support the barbarism of Sharia Law.
>>713406483
You're assuming all thought is created equally. There is a reason Muslim terrorists are a thing and Christian terrorists aren't.
I can provide scriptural evidence that the Quran explicitly condones violence on a large scale, none would be found in the bible.
>inb4 Old Testament
The point of the New Testament was to say how stupid the old one was, nobody follows it anymore.
>>713398522
I don't care about the fuck'n kkk but I do know they never tried to invade other countries
>>713406493
>losing majority population = genocide
C'mon man your just being selfish
>>713406759
it's also well documented muhammad was a real person that existed, while jesus is more of a fictional character with god-like super powers.
>>713406856
*you're
>>713399133
>check
>>713407053
You just killed your argument
The problem being is that murder and oppression are written into the Islamic holy book
>>713400510
Hey when the kkk decide to enslave a few states and burn people on the cross, let me know mateo
>>713407053
YOUR*
how many people have kkk killed or kidnapped in the last 30 years
how many people have isis killed or kidnapped in the last 30 months
hmm hmm hmm
>>713406616
It's not ambiguous. Some quotes literally, Literally, say to kill non believers because they deserve it, some even have plans of how to war properly. Zero ambiguity. Like a text book.
>>713406616
See the theological argument against Islam isn't even the most effective. Look at things from a historical perspective. Christianity is at the foundation of Western civilization- the greatest source of human advancement in history.
Countries that haven't been influenced by Christianity, and have been under the influence of Islam, are some of the shittiest, most barbaric, wartorn places in the world. They sit on top of the most valuable resource in the world in oil, but slaughter each other over religious differences, still have rampant slavery, etc.
>>713407138
I am not that guy. I am just your friendly neighborhood grammar cop.
>>713406856
Well, if you can at least get black men to admit they like white women more than any other woman, I think I can find my peace. And we both know they do.
>>713406856
UN defines genocide as making living conditions unsustainable for a certain ethnic/whatever group.
It's not that far a stretch to say; Feminism means more women focusing on careers, less whites are birthed, the declining birth rate "problem" is solved by importing immigrants.
You wouldn't believe me if I told you who was behind this, so I'll let you figure it out on your own. Feminism is just the tip of the iceberg.
>>713402494
in a nutshell
Y'all don't get it, religion is the problem, and it's just Islam giving most problems now
>>713407496
christianity didn't exist yet at the foundation of western civilization.
>>713407230
Don't kid yourself, Christianity is exactly the same "word of God" bullshit; stoning adulterers, sacrificing your son, etc, etc.
>>713406772
Same god
Old Testament - How about the Jews? How about throwing away more than half your holy book because its inconvenient, how about throwing away your creation story, original sin, the covenant and the very prophecies that the new testament is supposed to complete?
Truth is the Christian God is a morally bankrupt thug who not only endorses murder, genocide rape and slavery, but commands it. And AT NO POINT does the new testament say "Hey all that human sacrifice, murdering and taking all the virgins for yourselves and slavery, yeh god where wrong about that."
Go read your fucking bible, set yourself free.
>>713402038
I believe it is more of a Klan than a club
>>713407692
Christianity is heavily influenced by stoicism and Greek though, it's not controversial to say that they're an extension of one another.
Regardless, Greek civilization died while the West continued, it isn't fair to limit it to just the founders.
>>713398522
Except the Bible says "love thy neighbor", while the Koran says "rape and kill everybody".
>>713407718
Correct
The problem isn't christianity vs. islam, theism is dangerous in all aspects
>>713407780
c-c-carlos
>>713406980
Regardless of his actual divinity or existence- the idea of ole J.C. has made a net positive impact on the world. Like real or imaginary- if people lived like Jesus the word would be a decent place. If everyone lived like Muhammad, we'd all be living in a wartorn, fascist nightmare.
>>713407821
>it isn't fair to limit the foundation of western civilization to just the founders of it
lol
>>713407884
>The problem isn't christianity vs. islam, theism is dangerous in all aspects
Tell that to the Buddhists, retard.
>>713407574
You're forgiven
>>713398522
>implying the kkk still exists
>implying westboro does anything illegal
>implying we can't just deport all muslims which also deports ISIS
>>713407600
Okay made me kek
>>713407747
Even if your argument was correct, which it isn't, nobody follows the Old Testament REGARDLESS OF WHAT IT SAYS. Nobody even thinks of the Old Testament anymore, how fucking hard is it to get through your head?
The ENTIRE POINT of the New Testament was to provide a new holy book in place of the Old Testament, YOU are the one clinging to the ideas of the old book, NOT CHRISTIANS.
>>713399133
Nice feet
>>713404339
>white supremacists aren't violent
kek
>>713407780
You've never been to a KKK club? They have a variety of different dances, it's very well cultured. When they leave, everyone is told to act like white trash so the remain underestimated.
>>713407692
Yeah I didnt mean to imply Christianity was the genesis of Western Civ- just that it's basically been at the base of it since Constantine
>>713408025
Do you consider "Western Civilization" to be just Greek society? Do you not picture cathedrals, classical music, poetry, etc. To be of the west?
You're kinda dumb mate
>>713408027
The ignorance of faith is not exclusive to physical damage, but also intellectual damage.
as an aside, there are also certain atheistic sects of buddhism
>>713406493
>>713406856
White people DO have a lot to be worried about
>>713408379
yes. no.
probably.
>>713407496
There are all Christian country's in east Africa that practice female circumcision and all the bigotry the Islamic gulf states do.
It's a geographically cultural problem not one specific group.
>>713408618
*countries.
>>713408562
I'd just like to tell you literally every contemporary historian, and even past historians, think you're wrong.
"The West" has always referred to Western Europe and Greece.
>>713398522
This is called a "false equivalency".
>>713408115
So how can you both believe the book to be God's word and 100% true AND be able to discard over half of it on a whim? Was god wrong?
Again: How about throwing away more than half your holy book because its inconvenient, how about throwing away your creation story, original sin, the covenant and the very prophecies that the new testament is supposed to complete?
Does this mean you can pick and choose anything you want from the book? So long as it inst to inconvenient?
Was god wrong when he commanded they slay their neighbors and keep the virgin girls for themselves? Was he wrong when he not only endorsed slavery but gave instructions including "Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones" in BOTH the old and new testaments.
Again, all that bad shit you're trying to discard IS NEVER CORRECTED in the new part. God never said, Oh hey, those human sacrifices, virgin girls and slavery, about that...
Never met anyone so willing to throw away the BULK of your holy book to sway an argument about a group of other people who worship the SAME god.
>>713408753
yea, and literally every contemporary scientist thinks the THEORY of global warming is true, it doesn't mean it really is.
checkmate. we're done here, faggot.
>>713398522
Kek, but that's because kkk is american, everybody in america is racist even black americans are racists.
>>713408115
Exactly. Jesus' teaching can best be summarized as "Quit sweating the fucking minutia of the Torah, just be good to each other to honor God". It's Jesus life, not any part of the Bible, that is the basis of Christianity.
People are ignorant to both the theology of Christianity, as well as basic historical facts.
>>713407843
the OT says "take an eye for an eye"
both the NT and the Quran say "it is better to forgive than take an eye for an eye"
guess which book says you should kill gays? hint: it starts with a "B"?
they're both violent af, they were written by crazy goat herders with swords
>>713408746
Dude I'm on 4chan, if I cared about my spelling I'd be on reddit
>>713409081
Theory vs objective facts
Fuck off lol
>>713408297
>moving goalposts
Look up how many 'white supremacists' have killed recently. Now look up how many Muslims have killed recently.
>>713400641
>he fell for the alt-right meme
>>713409206
lol
>>713408027
Furthermore, Siddharta Gautama never made any mention of a personal "God". It's not in his vocabulary. Often, people like to smuggle a personal god, a creator god into Buddhism, they are clearly being disingenuous to the worldview itself. In this sense Buddhism is not a "theistic" worldview, per se, rather that of spirituality.
spirituality =/= theism
>>713398522
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but that doesn't mean their culture isn't shit tier and stuck in the middle ages.
>>713408753
Yeah... that just isn't true. Basically any Western Civ 101 class would tell you that.
>>713408808
You're entire argument is that the bad things said in the Old Testament are never corrected in the New Testament. The Old Testament was not even a part of how Christians lived their life past the inception of the New Testament. It was a holy book sure, but they never followed its word explicitly.
>>713408808
>how can you both believe the book to be God's word and 100% true AND be able to discard over half of it on a whim? Was god wrong?
imo man's understanding of god was wrong, and jesus represents the full knowledge of god. pretty sure this is in the catechism too.
of course many christians would say that denies biblical inerrancy (and rightly so)
>>713409508
What the fuck is this lol, am I on god damn crazy pills?
The West has always fucking referred to Europe and Greece, I'm minoring in classics for fucks sake.
>>713399133
nice feet ;)
>>713406629
This!!
KKK and Westboro are small groups as stated, hell Westboro is a fringe of a family with at max 70 members, they may say "extreme" things, but the worst they do is hold signs and everyone thinks they are a joke and denounces them.
The KKK/White Supremacy groups are again mostly denounced by the vast majority of whites, and though they may have a violent past, for the better part of 50+ years now, any violence done in their name has been very sporadic and singular.
There are by varying estimate between 1.3 to 1.7 Billion Muslims, and almost every Government Agency(from around the world) conservatively estimates that 15-25% of Muslims are Radical, hell I'll even lowball and say 10%, So even at the extremely low 10% that's 130-170 MILLION Radical Islamist.
That's people that view everyone not a Muslim as an Enemy, and remember these aren't just poor uneducated people living in huts, many of these are Radicals are extremely well funded by Islamic Countries with tons of oil money.
On top of that as much as 60%-70% of all Muslims believe that Sharia should be the law, and believe that Radical Islam/Jihad/Suicide bombings are justified.
So the biggest difference between those 2 comparisons are that, Americans denounce and ridicule the behavior of a few fringe groups that actually are involved in none to at most a few violent acts a year.
While a majority of Muslims agree with and condone the behavior of Radical Islam.
Now ISIS is an even more extreme version of Radical Islam, that actually wants the destruction of the world via a prophecy. They are basically a well funded large doomsday cult.
>>713409782
and america and canada you massve fucking retard.
>>713409624
>For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
>>713402984
Meh, i mean Trump got elected so thats saying something but still i see your point
>>713409782
I'd say north America is included in western culture, since it's been created by us. Whatever culture was there has been more or less eradicated.
>>713409234
look at how many muslims live on this planet. now look at how many white supremacists there are.
>>713406980
Not samefag, but let me make a point: Imagine, for a moment, that the New Testament was written 100% by Jesus. Every jot and tittle, straight from Jesus. And in this version of the New Testament he wrote he was not born of a virgin, performed no miracles, did not get crucified or rise again; basically all he does is walk around telling people "Hey, God told me that I'm the Messiah. No, he didn't tell anyone else; I was all alone. But he totally said that, for reals."
Don't you think if that were true... there'd be a lot less christians?
Well realize that if you just change "New Testament" to "Koran" and "Jesus" to "Muhammad", you have Islam.
There is literally no reason, WHATSOEVER to believe that the Koran is true other than: "Muhammad said it is." He has not one single scintilla of credibility more than ANY other person throughout history who's claimed they have talked to god, EVER. 100% of the entire religion of Islam rests on the lynchpin of Muhammed (whom even his followers admit was not divine in any way and was just a mortal man) NOT being crazy, a liar or even simply mistaken.
Personally I think if you unquestionably believe in the Bible, you're an idiot. But I cannot begin to fathom how someone could unquestionably believe in the Koran AND have fully functioning mental facilities.
>>713408808
>Was god wrong when he commanded they slay their neighbors and keep the virgin girls for themselves?
Nah. I think you have to consider the culture they were genociding. Basically, men / boys were expected to lead families in this culture. They were no good. Also, OT god commanded them to destroy or sacrifice livestock. Who knows what kind of monkey aids was wiped out by these actions.
>Was he wrong when he not only endorsed slavery but gave instructions including "Slaves obey your masters, even the cruel ones" in BOTH the old and new testaments.
Slaves were just the underclass of society. It's not much different than a fief at that time. Most people had no means to live apart from some larger tribe. Wageslaves have it just as bad. This was not the dindu slavery you think of when you hear "slave".
>>713409857
>The name "Old Testament" reflects Christianity's understanding of itself as the fulfillment of Jeremiah's prophecy of a New Covenant (which is similar to "testament" and often conflated) to replace the existing covenant between God and Israel (Jeremiah 31:31).[1] The emphasis, however, has shifted from Judaism's understanding of the covenant as a racially or tribally-based contract between God and Jews to one between God and any person of faith who is "in Christ".[45]
Now fuck off already
>>713401935
oh butguer man, please tell me how many deaths capitalism has.
now you realize how retarded is having a "death counter"? it´ fucking propaganda, people die every fucking day, no matter wich political nor economical system they are in.
now go and count the millions of casualties of burger empire.
>>713409855
>>713409953
You're right, just forgot cause these autists were claiming it was just Greece.
>>713408618
Africa has had more Muslim influence throughout history than Christian influence. The colonialism and missionary work done in Africa is so brief, relatively speaking... that's why it isn't considered part of Western Civilization.
>>713398522
I don't differentiate between any of them
>>713398522
KKK / Westboro is a fringe group, moderate Islam is also a fringe group.
>>713399319
You didn't read the Bible, I see.
ISIS is exactly how gun toting christian libertarian Americans would behave if their government was totally destabilised, their way of life was threatened, and leadership was up for grabs.
The FBI considers home grown militias the single biggest threat to national security.
ISIS are their right wing Islamic brothers in countries where it all went to shit.
Y'all have more in common than you think.
>>713398522
I don't. They're all retarded.
>>713410075
Imperialism isn't capitalism.
>inb4 "imperialism is the highest form of capitalism"
Every empire in history was imperialist, regardless of economic ideology. Yes including the Soviets.
The deaths because of capitalism could probably be a few thousand poverty stricken poor bastards, whereas the deaths of communism are undeniably in the millions.
>>713410114
Maybe a few thousand years ago, but what's the point in referring to an ancient definition, when discussing the modern world? But this is /b/. Were you expecting anything else?
>>713410225
Actually right. Wish more people understood this.
>>713409840
just a few decades ago klan membership was through the roof, they were getting away with lynchings, killing children in church bombings, etc.
Also believing in Sharia means different things for different Muslims, as there is no universal interpretation of Sharia in Islam.
Meanwhile here in my home state Roy Moore enjoyed widespread support when he put a ten commandments monument in the state supreme court, and nearly half the nation thinks gays shouldn't marry and weed/alcohol should be banned because muh bible.
>>713409978
>the New Testament was written 100% by Jesus. Every jot and tittle, straight from Jesus
stopped reading there
this nigga high
>>713408808
All the responses to this so far:
>The other people deserved to be murdered and raped
>The old testament is in the Bible for no reason whatsoever
>It wasn't 'slavery', it was super fun happy slavery
>It isn't gods fault the bible is wrong, it's ours / You have to just read it right.
>>713410405
maybe those deaths in the millions was the right step moving forward to reduce our population.
>>713410225
>And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. - Quran 2 - 191
>The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah ." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded? - Quran 9:30
Two explicit calls to violence against other groups. Won't find that in the bible.
>>713410578
You're disingenuous to the point he was making, he did not claim that the new testament was written by jesus. He was making a hypothetical for the purpose of analysis
>>713410454
The West has always described European people's culture. Whether in its modern or historical form. It's correct to say that America today is part of the West. It's incorrect to say The West was only Greece.
I honestly don't know where they were getting this from.
>>713410744
And Samuel said to Saul, “The Lord sent me to anoint you king over his people Israel; now therefore listen to the words of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts, ‘I have noted what Amalek did to Israel in opposing them on the way when they came up out of Egypt. Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey. (1 Sam 15:1‑3)
