I'm an Atheist, prove your religion right.
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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
I'm an Atheist, prove your religion right.
>>713245663
because the bible said so
>>713245770
>>713245663
How about you prove your beliefs right op.
Easy, take a gun and blow your brains out. See what happens.
>>713246048
Logic never calls you to disprove a negative, I cant disprove it because there is no evidence, just like I cant disprove unicorns.
>>713245663
If you believe in no god, how do you think the universe was born into existence?
>>713246048
you probably don't believe the Easter bunny or ferries for the same reason I don't believe in your god. lack of evidence.
>>713246627
>>713246048
Not OP
God doesn't exist because if he did he wouldn't allow /b/ to exist
>>713246726
And how was the big bang born into existence?
>>713245663
If god exists, explain this?
https://youtu.be/ysxHvbpU-dE
>>713246195
>implying that logic is all humans have
>>713246798
What if god is non-intervening?
>I claim there is no God
>You prove there is a God
The burden of proof lies on anyone making a claim to knowledge you intellectually lazy cunt
>>713245663
Explain why you're not a nihilism master race yet OP
>inb4 god iz deed
>>713246861
We don't have all the answers yet, but there's evidence supporting it. for example : the universe expanding.
Can't we all just agree that I'm god?
>>713247001
then he does not deserve worshiping
>>713245663
https://youtu.be/GnG-FDaquVc
jesus is kewl
>>713247154
Who said he wanted worship, Any superior Deists here?
>>713245770
Thread
>>713247122
if you are, make the woman up the street offer me sex in secrecy and I will start a fcuking jihad in your name
>>713247247
More than 2/3 of Humanity have you moron. We are speaking religion not the consensus of a god.
>>713247001
if god was non intervening, that doesn't excuse the flaws in most holy books. i.e flat earth, earth being 3000 years old, semen coming from the spine.
>>713247044
you do know nietzsche is anti-nihilism right
>>713247122
dubs checked but you'd need more than dubs to prove you're god.
>>713246861
We don't know yet, but there are theories being floated around and we're gathering more evidence as technologies improve.
I'll ask you: What sense does it make that an intelligent force was responsible for the big bang? Why couldn't it have occurred naturally - like everything else we've discovered about certain phenomena that used to be attributed to god? In other words, how is "God did it" a suitable answer for anything?
atheists are dumb. why would you discredit a man who literally died for you?
Atheism is gay.
>>713245663
mfw toast is just bread that is cooked twice. Checkmate, christfags.
>>713247465
they did not have science when the bible was written so they used symbolism and it was fucking spot on. Adam and Eve a metaphor for the beginning of self-awareness or at least a higher level of it
>>713247646
They should have taken Justin Beiber instead, amirite guys?
>>713247514
>>713247000
I use logic because it works, and has worked generally without fail every time.
>>713247786
you've blew my mind
>>713247349
Still waiting for a response or for her to come down and knock on my door
>>713247349
>>713247559
I can't, I don't control the universe anymore, Satan does.
>>713247917
You use logic to decide if a woman loves you or if you love her?
good luck with that
>>713247786
Alright you stupid fucking atheists, if God isnt real then how come this piece of toast has a portrait of Jesus in it?
>>713247834
I'm saying if god was real and all knowing then there wouldn't be any mistakes in his book
>>713248129
God didnt write the bible, imperfect humans did.
>>713245663
My religion requires no proof. It is manifest in all things in the universe. The true nature of the universe will never be revealed to us and it's not worth arguing about.
>>713247786
admire all my potential toast
>>713248263
that is pretty much known history
>>713247786
mfw toast is bread cooked once, and dough cooked twice.
>>713248077
Yes, logic tells me that if i'm trying to have sex with a woman and shes kicking and screaming "get away" that shows she most likely does not love me or has no interest, it has also shown me that if a woman is getting close to me, or we are cuddling that she at least has some sort of positive feelings for me.
>>713247917
you don't know if logic works. To prove logic you use more logic, ad infinitum. still has less problems than creationism
I don't care about what people believe. I just want this retarded species to finally enforce seperation of church and state. That's it. Keep your space daddy beliefs to yourself, keep your edgy fedora neckbeardedness to yourself, and stop fucking with the lives of others. If some bull dyke out there wants to get an abortion and scissor her girlfriend while they eat pork after getting married while they chant LGBTQ quotes, that's none of your goddamn business. But for you to say that they shouldn't because your god has a problem with it, well then you can just go fuck yourself and stick your bible and your fucking god right up your ass.
>>713248489
Also called "circular logic" but even so logic has server humanity very well. I just don't think it can answer ALL the questions in life
>>713245663
>implying your religion is right
>>713247091
I'm getting a vibe that you actually think that the Bing Bang is an answer to the question "what created the universe?". It isn't. You can always ask what came before it. Hence why your response doesn't make sense when you're trying to answer that exact question.
>>713248388
>requires no proof.
https://youtu.be/rCnb7vapl5o
>>713247944
you're blowing my mind with those dubs
>>713248688
the question disappears when you assume that the universe is infinite. fits with creationism and atheism and has no logical fallacy, since the "what came before it" argument fades away
>>713247636
Because in practice (notice the word practice, not theory) nature is a cycle with no beginning or end, in every single field of science. So when you start looking for a beginning you discard the natural.
>>713248489
Matt Dillahunty destroyed that argument, I'll try to find the video
>>713245663
We got the god emperor Donald trump elected president
>>713249105
It doesn't. Where did an infinite amount of space and matter appear from? Infinity doesn't exclude anything out of creation whatsoever.
>>713248688
Its the farthest back in time we are able to have the answer for SO FAR, understanding the big bang will get us closer to it.
>>713249303
it didnt come from anything, it is just there. logically perfectly viable
>>713248675
I don't have a religion, its childish
>>713248093
god's a shitty artist for an omnipotence
>>713245663
We live in a simulation. Consciousness from complex interactions, and it is monitored. Likely it is being used for research - which means God is inside all of us (our consciousness) and yet nowhere in the simulation.
Why would we be in a simulation? At least one of the following propositions is true: (1) the human species is very likely to go extinct before reaching a “posthuman” stage; (2) any posthuman civilization is extremely unlikely to run a significant number of simulations of their evolutionary history (or variations thereof); (3) we are almost certainly living in a computer simulation. It follows that the belief that there is a significant chance that we will one day become posthumans who run ancestor-simulations is false, unless we are currently living in a simulation
>>713246633
What kind of fool would believe in ferries?
>>713249385
Only if you've convinced yourself to think so. Otherwise it's an nothing more than an excuse. The sheer fact that your satisfied with using a vague concept such as "always" is proof enough.
>>713249459
this, there is only a one in billions chance that we are living in what is considered to be "base reality".
Except for option that any species to create such a simulation would choose not to because it would be unethical. I see a lot of unethical shit going on in this reality. So maybe it's some mad scientist going against international sanctions to create such a simulation or something. Heres a brief 3 minute from Elon Scholng Musk who breaks down the probability
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KK_kzrJPS8&t=30s
>>713248688
if you ask any physicist what came before the big bang, its an unthinkable question
>>713246861
Quantum Mechanics.
Next question.
>>713247646
Robert Powell died for me?
>>713249696
lol
infinity is the ONLY answer that i am aware of that solves the problem of "what comes before that". not even god solves this problem. also, calling "always" a vague concept when it in fact is a word that explains infinity of time very well is not the best thing to do either. on the other hand, maybe i just convinced myself that thats the case :)
>>713247834
...but why didn't magic imaginary yahweh give them a scientific understanding so symbolism was unnecessary cuz, ya know, omnipotence and omniscience?
>>713245663
Prove atheism right.
Religious people are generally making a non falsifiable claim, so you can't say it it's true or not. Is it stupid to believe in an idea with no evidence? Yes.
But there's an equal amount of evidence to say that god exists as there is to say god does not exist.
>>713247646
>>713250075
...cuz what does the word 'before' mean when time began at the big bang, godfags.
>>713249696
Where did god come from? What was there before him? To claim that he's always existed, that is even more ludicrous to believe in than to believe that a huge random explosion of energy created the universe. Remember, there are plenty of arguments and good points one can make for or against the big bang and creationism. But the whole "what was before it" argument is not a good one, since it can also be used on creationists. It's even worse for you guys because you have the same answer that we do. The only difference is you believe in a conscious creation while the big bang was nothing more than just chance.
The big bang and creationism, regardless of which is correct, are both really intricate and complex processes that our puny minds will never be able to fully understand. However, using nothing but logic and science, the big bang is far more credible and holds up way more evidence than anything involving god.
>>713245663
I am an atheist too, but I started following Buddhist philosophy and it has improved my life significantly.
>>713245663
By definition, what OP is asking for is impossible and will most likely stay this way.
>>713250452
exactly, god could've easily given germ theory or gravitation theory, or advanced calculus in the bible. but for some reason he let people give false knowledge in the "perfect book"
>>713249131
>nature is a cycle with no beginning or end
>So when you start looking for a beginning you discard the natural.
That's purely retarded. Both statements.
>>713250802
“If scientific analysis were conclusively to demonstrate certain claims in Buddhism to be false, then we must accept the findings of science and abandon those claims.”
― Dalai Lama XIV
>>713248688
we know what happend up to 5.39×10−44 s, before that the volume that the universe is expanding into existed, but causality, relativity, and locality did not exist. anything that occurred before that cannot be observed and nothing beyond that can observe the universe.
>>713250790
why would it be ludicrous?
>>713245663
Buddhism is hard to argue against.
>>713250802
That's because Buddhism at it's core is a philosophy - not a religion. That and Confucianism. I don't know why they're considered religions exactly.
>>713246048
Absence of belief
Not a set of beliefs
Learn the difference.
>>713251327
I do follow Buddhism
>>713251341
>>713250266
Clearly you have. "infinity of time", the two words don't go hand in hand. Time is a human measurement and infinity is immeasurable. It's impossible for always to be used in this context since time is still passing, an infinite amount of time couldn't have passed. And considering there is an estimated heath death of the universe, of infinite amount of time passing seems unlikely. On the other hand an omnipotent being above the concepts of space and time, causality and duality is a much better explanation than that.
>>713250560
underrated post
>>713251573
Or, to quote some of the most brilliant minds in science today:
Absence of evidence
Is not evidence of absence
Check and mate, faggot
Funny how things only apply when they fit your narrative.
>>713250560
Logic never calls you to disprove a negative. i.e that's why i don't have to spend time disproving, ferries, god, unicorns, the lord of the rings, ect.
Let's say I have never heard of religion, and then a Christian, a Mormon, and a Hindu come up to my door trying to convert me, it is impossible to decide which one is true because lack of evidence is all equal in them
>>713252149
>Trying to be all scientific and Spock-like
>Look at that sentence.
the word atheism shouldn't even exist just like the word aferryist shouldn't exist
>>713251948
lol
It's still way less likely that unicorns exist than not.
>>713252625
Spock would always capitalize his "i"s
>>713251755
no, time is the human minds interpretation of something that goes down in the universe. also, an infinite amount of time could have passed. even if the universe would have an end (since we cant see into the future, we dont know), if it still has no start (or always existed), then the timeframe of existence would be infinite.
>>713252625
How dumb do you have to be to think that sounds like a science fiction character?
>>713253164
technically all the energy is going to run out in the universe that could be considered some form of "end"
>>713252149
Which supports my point.
OP here if anyone feels like I did not answer a question sufficiently, re-post it.
Please christians and deists
Explain to me how you can be a grown ass man, look around, think about all you know about life, and conclude that the existence of a supernatural being is not just a figment of your imagination.
Everything is cause and effect, I see literally 0 interference anywhere. Myself and most people I know realized this during childhood or early teens. I just don't get how you can't see this.
>>713252855
>>713251948
>lol It's still way less likely that unicorns exist than not.
Proving the point.
When you realize there is no god the universe becomes thousands of times more beautiful and awe-inspiring
>>713251948
>>713253684
I don't have a question, but I would like to see you do some mental gymnastics today.
Supply an argument for this:
Absence of evidence
Is not evidence of absence
>>713253664
Not him but not it doesn't. There is not equal evidence for and agaisnt god. There is 0 soild evidence for god.
>>713253807
I was using your logic against you. Unicorns aren't real fuckass, there's no evidence so we conclude it's almost certainly nonsense.
>>713253935
Explain.
>>713253982
the bottom part of this post pretty much sums it up.
>>713253996
>>713253996
"almost certain"
Yeah, I'm pretty sure you just contradicted yourself, guy.
This is hilarious. Try again.
>>713254136
Not him but I agree. The fact that it's all a result of cause and effect without design means that everything around you has a long ass story that is billions of years old, it becomes a thinking exercise. A fascinating one at that.
>>713246861
this could be applied to god too. If god made the universe, who made god?
>>713254229
I asked you for your thoughts, not somebody elses.
You have no argument against it. No big deal. I already assumed as much.
>>713254237
You're talking to multiple people chief.I said almost because it fits within the parameters of the "evidence of absence" idea.
Regardless, having no evidence for something and asserting that it's real is a bigger logical jump than asserting that it isn't.
>>713253164
Incorrect, there are no stops for infinity you're trying to cram it down into your argument but it's not working. You're trampling over the definition of infinity by adding a clear measurement to it (an end). Something endless implies that it is ongoing.
>>713254136
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwmeH6Rnj2E
>>>/reddit/
>>713254443
He doesn't need another one, this is very fucking basic anon. With your logic, you can express belief in a tiny little titty fairy that blows my cock every night and pretend it's existence is just as likely as the possibility that I'm making shit up.
>>713254278
So, just to make sure I understand what you're saying and I don't put woirds into your mouth: you're saying that God implies a specific date to when the Universe began and that if God doesn't exist that the Universe and everything in it becomes older somehow, and more fascinating?
>>713254136
God makes the universe feel so insignificant, when I see the plants I know that was billions of years of evolution, it didn't just poof into existentce in 7 day's, when I see stars I know that they are hundreds of trillions of planets miles and miles away that could support life, not just a filiment of water holdening them making a "barrier" between us and the heavens, and so on
>>713254613
Yes, something endless implies that it will never end. But something infinite does not need to be something endless, it can be something startless
>>713253996
>Not him but not it doesn't. There is not equal evidence for and agaisnt god. There is 0 soild evidence for god.
There's also zero solid evidence against god.
It's a non falsifiable claim. It literally cannot be proven or disproven. Is it retarded to believe in god? Yes. But don't act like there's piles of evidence disproving god's existence.
>>713254613
Always, yet one ways ends. See, I can do that too. English doesn't work that way.
>>713254237
It's not hilarious, you are, we atheists say "almost certain" because we know we cant disprove it, just like we cant disprove god, the real arrogant ones are the religious people who claim they "know" there god is real. No one knows
>>713254871
Ahhhh.
And here we have the cnetral theme of this entire thread in one post.
Atheism vs Christianity, specifically.
Pretty pathetic to base your entire philosophical outlook on hating and arguing ove one religion out of the multitudes that exist.
But, hey, I can't blame you for picking the low-hanging fruit. It's all you can grasp at.
Considering the amount of suffering in the world of innocent people and children who have never heard of 'god', even if there is a god I wouldn't want to meet them.
>>713254718
You got some of it, but not the whole thing. Seeing something massively complex that just happened is more fascinating than someone creating it.
I actually take it to another level and kind of base my own spirituality around it. I don't go to church, but I do go into the forest or look at the stars and contemplate the universe while meditating every once in a while.
>>713254969
Well are you talking about the christian god? Because there is evidence against him. Here in reality, we determine whether something is true or not by the presence of evidence.
Does a lack of evidence mean something is 100% false? No. Does that mean that it's more likely that it isn't true? Absolutely.
Do we only base our perception around things we can 100% prove without any possibility of being wrong? No because we wouldn't be sure of practically anything.
There is no unicorns, god magic titty fairies, santa, whatever because there is 0 evidence for their existence.
>>713251948
You responded to me, so I respond back.
1 - that's not a particularly interesting point.
2 - it's got nothing whatsoever to do with what i posted. It's an entirely different topic.
>>713254443
I agree with his thoughts, is sharing the same opinion a problem?
>>713254969
Not that anon, but we agree.
I don't personally believe in the existence of a God but at least I admit that I can't prove my beliefs any more right than the believers.
>>713247001
Then 95% of the Bible is a lie.
>>713255550
Someone tells you they believe in whimsical space birds with hispanic accents that visit them every morning when they wake up.
There is no evidence for it, but there's no evidence they don't exist.
What is more likely, that they exist or that they don't?
>>713246627
>If you believe in no god, how do you think the universe was born into existence?
The concept of birth is a human invention. Why should the universe have come from something when it is already by definition everything?
>>713255340
The overwhelming majority of scientific minds agree that the universe is too orderly to be a mere happening of chance.
The universe isn't some chaotic, unstable mess with no rules or boundaries.
>>713255282
I'm not just going against one religon, it so happens that Christians are the ones replying so i'm debunking their god, if it was a Hindu i'd destroy them as well. also if you notice I try to not be "religion bypass, in past posts I reference islam quotes, and try to say "your god" not "god"
>>713247011
>>I claim there is no God
An atheist doesn't claim anything unless they wish to add a claim to their absence of theism.
Being without theism is not, of itself, a belief system.
If English is not your primary language, use a translator.
>>713255829
You seem to enjoy taking things down a slipper slope to the extreme, don't you?
Pretty ridiculous tbh, fam.
>>713255917
>The overwhelming majority of scientific minds agree that the universe is too orderly to be a mere happening of chance.
Absolute bullshit, check your facts.
>>713247646
>why would you discredit a man who literally died for you?
Implies he was not just another crazy raghead whose superstition got traction. He died for HIS OWN reasons, and does not remain available to ask what those are.
>>713256055
Pick literally anything without evidence of its existence and replace it in that exercise. It is still fucking retarded. Something that has absolutely nothing in the way for evidence of its existence is probably a figment of imagination.
>>713248093
That portrait is of Mohammed, peace, and butter, be upon him.
>>713256080
Maybe you should recheck your own cognitive bias, anon.
The majority of scientists in the world today identify themselves as religious.
>>713256366
Hilarious.
Richard Dawkins himself says that he is not Atheist. That alone discredits that picture.
>>713256519
Bullshit, google it
>>713256519
Bullshit.
Believing things that are objectively false, this is why you believe in imaginary characters
>>713256713
Why, almost everyone on there claims there agnositc
>>713256741
63% is enough for me to conclude that the majority do believe in a God.
>>713257103
Bill Maher still claims to be an Atheist
Tyson still tries to disprove religion every chance he gets
Penn stil claims to be Atheist
and fuck the rest
>>713247646
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJLOsPT6NbY
>>713257155
I'm getting 51% believing in a deity or higher power. Only deity would count for you, higher power could be interpreted without a god. No matter what way you cut it, it is not an overwhelming majority.
I do believe in a higher power behind existence, but not an entity. Idk if that makes sense.
Were getting away from the point of the thread which was, atheists/agnostics destroyed the religous
>>713249459
>“posthuman”
Humans were humans a million years ago. They will be in another million too. No matter how long we survive and continue to evolve, or how many different ways we branch off into distinct species, we will always be human.
>>713257744
What else is new. Believing in something without any evidence is retarded, especially with abrahamic faiths where the evidence actually contradicts their existence.
>>713256366
Why is David Brent in there?
>>713250075
It's not unthinkable, but it is quite possibly unknowable, and therefore outside the realm of science.
>>713256055
But all powerful sky grandad is perfectly believable to you huh.
>>713257961
>>713258139
The fact that some of the people who believe that shit aren't actually stupid shows just how effective brainwashing is.
>>713247559
how about TRIPS?
>>713258452
Its actually really sad
>>713258546
I agree. I know a girl who is pretty intelligent otherwise, but was brainwashed from her radical christian family from day 1. She struggles with belief and became an alcoholic because of it.
>>713245663
If you dont believe and he turns out to exist - you will lose everything
>>713258682
I read about this guy who was going to study geology at Harvard, but couldn't bring himself to because he was raised to be creationist, it ruined his life
>>713258937
I'm confident in my assessment that it's clearly just a myth like any other. The stipulation that you get tortured forever because of a lack of belief in imaginary characters doesn't somehow make it more true.
>being convinced your concept of god is accurate
>claiming to be non-religious
Religion is the conceptualization of god. To reject god (or to request proof for god) is not possible without first establishing the concept you're rejecting. Therefor atheism = religion
>>713245663
Why?
>>713259125
Your choice
>>713259176
You win the gold medal in mental gymnastics. Even if that weren't nonsense, you still have a ton of atheists being ex-religious people. Myself included.
>>713258937
Pascals wager is bullshit
https://youtu.be/WG__0_zSW0o?t=2m32s
Also if you actually read the Bible (I assume your talking about the christian god) you realize god is not "good" he's a monster who deserves no respect or worship.
>>713259371
Explain please
>>713259274
Oh really I thought it was someone else's.
>>713259269
To try and at-least stop one person from believing and ruining our world
>>713259458
Dont cut yourself on that edge
>>713259575
What's edgy? Making fun of you for being stupid on 4chan?
>>713259450
I truly and honestly cant believe, so what would god respect more someone who is intellectually honest, or someone false worshiping out of fear. also skip to 2:32 in the video.
>>713259668
What's so funny?
>>713259983
Who's laughing?
>>713259450
god permits rape, racism, slavery, genocide, child sacrifice, misogyny, and so on
>>713260266
Ok sorry everyone, ran out of arguments
I just want to point out that I wiped the floor with every god clown in this thread and so did everyone else arguing on the side of atheism.
>>713260579
Just one question: what do you think will happen when you die?
Looks like god cant defend against the simple mind of humans... almost like he's not there
>>713260764
not
>>713260579
but I imagine its like before you are born
>>713260764
Probably nothing, just like when you're unconscious.
>>713260748
Op here
Hell yea
>>713260977
And what do you think it's like? How would it feel to not exist?
>>713261031
I think I will get stuck in a never ending dream
>>713261136
It's like the feeling when your sleeping and having no dream, nothing. I didn't exist before I was born so I imagine that is what being dead is like
checkmate atheists
>>713261285
How? there is no energy left in your body
>>713261395
It scares me when I think about it. You dont exist, you dont feel, nothing. Fucking terrible.
>>713261136
i can't tell you what it would feel like because you can't feel anything when you are dead
>>713261543
proof there is no god
>>713261747
Just wanted to know your thoughts, sorry
>>713248483
>implying you've ever tried to have sex with a woman.
>>713261645
I don't understand being "scared" of death, it happens to every living thing, this might make you feel better about, when you die the energy content contained within it gets returned to the earth, so that flora and fauna can dine upon it, just as I have dined upon flora and fauna during my lifetime”
>>713262134
So you believe in something
>>713262068
I wonder where this meme comes from. Almost all the normal people I know, the people with active sex lives do not believe in god. I wonder what run down shitholes that you people live in where being an atheist is shameful and strange.
>>713262241
No,
>>713262241
and its a Neil De-grasse Tyson quote btw
>>713245663
>implying being an agnostic is a religion.
Agnosticism is the only logical belief system.
There is evidence of an instant of grand creation that the current law of physics cant explain. There is evidence that the universe is a projection coming from a higher dimension. A creator is likely IMO.
I also believe in reincarnation. The universe has a cyclical constant nature. If we can exist as cognoscente beings in this universe once why is a stretch to believe it will happen again?
>>713262475
Did he prove it?
>>713262134
It shouldn't be a surprise that people are scared of death though. I enjoy my life and I fear it being taken from me, that's a pretty popular view.
>>713262517
Not implying that at all
>>713262517
Just because we don't fully understand something yet, doesn't mean that god is the explanation. You are a result of your nervous system processes, when your brain dies, you die.
>>713262553
No, its common sense and a fact.
>>713262756
So you believe
>>713262553
Lmao at a god bitch not understanding how basic biology works.
>>713248093
>If Jesus is real then why does he appear in toast?
>>713262878
In the same way I believe the earth goes around the sun.
>>713262134
>so that flora and fauna can dine upon it
>>713262950
Ye fukin earth swallows your energy and shiet
Religious guys:
"All religions are a mythology except my religion!!!"
"I don't know how X operates, therefore god must have done it :)"
Here's a playlist of atheism videos I put together, there are some gems in here.
>>713263051
So I take it that you don't even know what flora and fauna are.
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL38_bFzQSEG8MaUb2aWVCDkQ8PsiB79G1
>>713263174
My point is that you believe something thats not proven
>>713263312
That animals and plants eat decaying organic matter? You don't know that this happens. How retarded can you possibly be?
So, where do you think bodies go when they decompose? What do you think maggots and worms are doing when they eat a dead body?
>>713263312
It is proven you just don't know anything about biology
>>713263527
Ok thats true.Victory is yours.
>>713245663
Religion is not something to prove
Science explains the universe
Religion justifies it
>>713263312
This is why you believe in god and don't take a reasonable stance like atheism or at least agnosticism. You are utterly clueless about how the world works around you. It's like a toddler.
>>713254401
Godder
>>713263730
No religion also tries to explain it, that's why it gets laughed at
>>713263730
Tell me any other context where people base their lives and entire wordlview around something without evidence.
Relgion also absolutely tries and fails to explain our reality.
>>713263780
You are right
>>713245770
reasoning
>>713263527
That's why I'm being cremated! Does that mean I have a reason to fear death?
>I don't know how this works
>>713247646
mfw, shows white euro male
you may go now
>>713248499
You deserve a medal. If only more people thought like that.
>>713264357
Don't cremate, let your body feed the earth as it did you, it's the least you could do.
>>713245663
please stop making your fellow atheists look like dicks.
>>713264578
Christianity is fucking disgusting brainwashing and deserves to be ridiculed. This is also 4chan, I don't know why you're worried about looking like a dick on here.
>>713264578
This
>>713264071
>>713263653
This guy, believer or not has it figured out, being open-minded, nevermind the religion is what it's all about. Especially tolerating others beliefs (AS LONG as they don't make an impact on your way of living)
I understand people not taking religious texts as absolute truth. If you fully accept the Big Bang there is still a question of how the original matter got there in the first place? Why do we have so many finely tuned constants that govern our physical reality. Even if you explain this away with a multiverse theory, there was still a bang which required some initial physical laws to allow for a giant explosion. It seems impossible for there not to be some sort of master programmer who made up the initial rules.
>>713245663
Carl Sagan wasn't an atheist (atheist in also not capitalized).
>>713264578
Were not dicks, were viewed as dicks either because
1) we disagree with them
2) generally people who seem more "ineligible" about things are perceived that way
>>713263848
yea pretty much, people have different ways to view religion though, no-one is right and most aren't wrong.
>Incredibly many things are disprovable though
>>713264897
Thank you
>>713264546
or.. or.. how about this, I only eat plants, that way no "living" thing has sacrificed it's life for me and so i feed it with the carbondioxide from my burned body
>>713265040
Never said he was ( I can see how it seems implied) and thank you for the correction, I will try to be more grammatically correct in the future.
>>713264897
He conceded because there's literally no argument he could have given. He revealed himself as being a complete moron.
At what point is it cool to make fun of someone on 4chan for being an idiot? Dude literally didn't know that worms eat dead bodies. Children know that.
>>713265312
Plants are alive you dumbass.
>>713265312
that's why he said "living"
>>713246798
not a god person but yano
>free will
>>713265662
I meant
>>713265553
>>713265553
aaaah but they don't have feelings such as fear pain etc. I mean yea obviously what goes around comes around
>>713265553
Come on dude. I know how everything works, i simply didnt know what flora and fauna is, so I made a guess on what it could be..
>>713246798
What if god wishes 4chan to exist to sort the true believers from the disbelievers?
>nah, just kidding
>>713265855
Well maybe not everything...
>>713265817
They're alive, I don't know how that is hard to grasp for you.
>>713265855
So you filled in the blanks with 100% confidence despite you knowing that you didn't know what you were talking about. This is why you open your holes for godcock
>>713265553
well he stepped over the line and realized it, something that is rare here, should be appriciated, not frowned down upon, what kind of debating climate do you wish for?
>>713266165
I thought I'll get you on that one, I'm sorry.
>>713266165
Do they know they're alive?
>what is life?
hahahha shit I'm messing with you, of course it's life and as such, alive.
>>713266312
It's cool man, at least you admit it.
>>713266287
Not a bad point.
>>713266165
well m8, why do you argue as an atheist assuming that is the only way when you haven't filled out the blanks? obviously you haven't experienced life after death and obviously god has no intervention on life on earth (at least not any recorded) but truth be told, what if there was a creator and the big bang happened in a vacuum in another space where our universe is an elementary particle of some sort
I mean look at it this way, it is a fundamental fact that no information can be obtained from the inside of a black hole as well as outside our universes boundary. Theoretically our universe could be a black hole in another universe with each universe having seperate physics fundamentals, some not even allowing intelligent life to form.
We simply will never know.
I am an atheist in belief but cannot prove anything and as such I am also an agnostic.
>>713267521
Atheism is a lack of belief in gods, not the assertion that there absolutely is no god.
>>713245663
I am a Nigraeist.
Please read the channel description.
>>713264899
I like to see theists with sense and understanding in these threada
>>713267521
Oh and if you didn't catch the thing about the black holes, their event horizon implies an gravitational pull so hard that not even light, the fastest particle in our universe can escape it
There are more grains of sand than there are atoms on the planets.
>>713268396
Thank you Black Science Man!
>>713268017
Too bad most internet atheists ASSERT
>>713268396
explain please
>>713255832
Nice answer.
>>713268527
You could be misinterpreting their ideas, regardless I have not argued that.
>>713254443
Absence of evidence IS evidence of absence in situations where clear evidence should be present.
For example, if I were to tell you that an elephant stampeded through your house while you were gone, yet when you came home absolutely nothing was damaged or out of place, the absence of evidence for an elephant stampeding throught your house is indeed evidence for it never happening.
In the case of an omnipotent, omnipresent, omniscient god creating the entire universe and taking a personal interest in the lives of every human on earth, performing miracles, etc., there should indeed be evidence for such a claim. There is none.
There's your argument, faggot.
>>713268017
right, so debating for atheism is similar to debating for any other beliefs, of course the difference is that beliefs in general propose things without proof unlike atheism.
>>713268596
It's not true... each grain of sand holds billions of atoms
>>713268908
Sure you could say that.
>>713268596
Are you a window licker? Tighten the fuck up man.
black science man has spoken
>>713254443
how do we move forward if you can't use information that we have not produced ourself? Without it there would be no science
Christianity: Numerous Biblical prophecies came true.
>>713256519
Studying chemical engineering and I have one christian in my class, it's really weird because we're basically studying how the world is and how it behaves... I assume she's not into the "god intervening" thing... then nothing would be measurable
>>713268017
Uh... no.
noun
1.
the doctrine or belief that there is no God.
2.
disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings.
An agnostic lacks a belief in God(s), but does not discount the notion.
>>713270280
disbelief is lack of belief.
>>713269545
Name one that was a specific, non-general prophecy which does not rely on broad interpretation to "fit," AND which was not fulfilled by people who've read the bible who were specifically looking to fulfill it (i.e. Jesus riding into town on an ass, when in fact he read the old testament and knew that this would be interpreted as him being the messiah) and I'll give you a cookie.
>>713245663
Have you taken the brown pill yet, mateys?
it's a tough pill to swallow! The brown pill was founded in 1999 by Sir Reginald Brownpill
Forget red and blue pills, brown pills are the way of the future.
Swallow the brown pill today! Red pills are for fedora fucking wearing faggots, blue pills are for the ignorant masses. Ignore the other le epin /pol/ maymays, this one is the readl deal.
>>713270280
stop being autistic
>>713254401
humans.
>>713270408
Don't agree. Disbelief implies you believe there are strictly no gods. Lack of belief implies you don't believe that there is any god but you don't believe that there is not.
Look at it this way: You're in your room and a box of chewing gum is "god". However you cannot see the box of gum and so the atheist says "I believe there is no gum in the room" while the agnostic says "I dont know if there is any gum in the room because i haven't checked under the bed or in the drawers".
Sure you can disprove specific religious views (allthough everyone believes differently) but you can't disprove the fundamentals of religion and as such no one will ever know.
As atheists we can disprove mostly everything religions have to offer but that list makes it logical to assume there is no true religion allthough we only FEEL that way. There could be a true religion unknown to man that still complies to every rule of this universe (i.e. non-invervening but explaining the birth of the universe etc.)
>>713271268
hahahhaa spot on
No-one can explain how these work except for reference to God
/thread
>>713271695
>There could be a true religion unknown to man that still complies to every rule of this universe (i.e. non-invervening but explaining the birth of the universe etc.)
The question is, would that be called a religion?
>>713271695
Disbelief - lack of faith in something
Jesus christ dude you're a clown. Most definitions of atheism say lack of belief in god or gods. This is so simple.
>>713271965
lol we're working on it m8, it's just another step of science, we don't know all that there is to know but we do know a shitload. magnets have a certain behavior and thus we can find a source to that behavior.
>>713271695
Agnosticism is "I don't know" Atheism is "I don't believe" or "There is no god" It can be either.
>>713271965
Oh man I guess the bible is true now because magnets exist
>>713272118
exacly. you don't believe in anything, does that not imply you believe there are is no religion?
>we're on the same page, we just don't see it
>>713271965
"I don't know how something works, therefore god!"
>>713271982
Not him - but probably not. Depends how you define religion. Every definition of religion I've seen incorporates "faith" to some degree - which is belief without evidence.
If a "true religion" was found which explains everything, it's implied that there would be evidence for it, which would not require "faith," so it wouldn't be a religion.
>>713272218
Right, that's kind of what I was trying to say
>>713271776
no like quite literally, been in the making since mesopotamia, green belt. Ever since humans stopped worshiping animals and started worshiping themselves.
>>713272218
Yes. Agnosticism is a stance on "knowing" - atheism is a stance on "believing."
They are separate. You can be an agnostic atheist, as in, "I don't know for certain if there is a god but I don't believe there is." The vast majority of atheists are agnostic atheists. I've never met one who claims to know for a 100% fact that there is no god.
