What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of prison the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
Cultural programming.
Fear of hell is apparently what stops Christians from raping and murdering people. Me? I'm just lazy.
>>713042120
>>713041868
Yes. Google "psychopath."
>>713041868
.....nothing
Live in fear of us.
>>713042103
But god also doesn't forbid killing, ie for breaking marriage, stealing, whoring.
>>713041868
Wow what a stupid fucking the question. You have to be one of the worlds most moronic people if you can't answer it yourself.
>>713041868
>>713043934
>answering the trolliest of troll bates serious
>>713041868
Shut the fuck up.
intelligence and moral code
I don't need religion to be a good person, only idiots need some invisible deity to feel like they are good people.
>>713041868
Fortunately, you're not worth murdering, and your stuff sucks.
>>713041868
Albeit true that traditional morals stem from religion, however, what is morally acceptable and what is religios tend to be very different. It is ethical to allow homosexuals the same rights as everyone else, but you don't see much of that in the Church, and you definitely won't see it at a mosque.
>>713044309
Empathy
>>713044046
M8 I h8 2 s8 but ya took the b8 so I must rate 8/8
>trolliest
You have to go back newfag
>>713041868
ideas and functions of ethics and conscience exist separate from religious doctrine
supernatural forces don't punish or prevent immoral acts, laws of men do
I've yet to meet anyone religious that puts full faith and trust that it should be entirely left to gods
it's fine to think that someone will be punished after death, but that doesn't solve anything in the world we live in
that said, in a society, the fear causing or allowing another's pain should take precedence over your own, you don't need scriptures to tell you that
What keeps a christian from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of eternal suffering? Is the fear of hell the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with a moral compass?
>>713041868
I mean hell is like prison but with 1.5 times more anal I'm pretty sure.
>>713041868
Nothing.
*atheist*
The same thing that keeps a Muslim and Christian from murdering and stealing: laws and law enforcement.
>>713041868
atheist: you shouldn't need a book to tell you that killing and stealing are wrong. if being threatened with hell is what it takes for you to be good you are a terrible person.
atheist:killing unborn babies is perfectly fine and natural
>>713044780
>newfag
>IMG_whatever
Yeah, whatever feels you supperior
>>713046862
Forgot the image
>>713041868
Morality is independent of religious views. You can be a decent human being, no matter your religion, or lack thereof. As a person of faith, you should practice tolorance. Like Jesus.
>>713046758
STRAWMAN ARGUMENT: even Christians support a woman's choice. You have a problem with a woman's choice: Fuck yourself.
Survival instinct and empathy. If you wouldnt like it why do it? If that fails, thinking "what would you do to someone who did this to you or youre family." In a sense fear of reprisal is a big part.
If you need religion to guide your moral compass then you're the one with issues. People learn morals naturally without having to believe in fairy tales.
>>713047101
Why choose Faith when you can have facts?
Faith is ignorance. Faith is pretending to know what you don't know.
God of the gaps= I don't know therefore, it's god as an explanation
>>713047116
don't know a single Christian who supports this myself. hint: Westboro Baptist types don't count ;)
Do I get a choice? May I kick a woman in the stomach until the baby dies? Or do only women get that "right"? :)
>>713047327
Oddly enough the facts led me to the faith. Or did you forget science has bigger gaps than religion? Or did your research stop much shorter than that?
>>713047459
You don't know anyone that dies, therefore they aren't= argument from ignorance fallacy
>>713047587
>Or did you forget science has bigger gaps than religion?
>>713047652
Poor thing, you're one of those who thinks they don't have to defend their viewpoint and try to label everything that differs from your viewpoint while not offering a single valid counter argument, much like "racist" and "misogynistic" are thrown around. It's ok little one, go cry in your safe space where I can't hurt you :) Mean people challenging your beliefs :)
>>713041868
Just because someone doesn't believe in god doesn't mean they don't have morals bud.
>>713047459
<<<<Westboro Baptist types don't count>>> is a No True Scotsman fallacy.
You really havE shit arguments, dimbus.
>>713047772
How often atheist laugh, how little evidence they provide. But hey, mockery=defeat, so I accept your defeat.
>>713047827
Defend which viewpoint Nigger?
>>713047868
Aww, you have the little chart memorized I see ;) I don't blame you, it does prevent you from having to think. Happy patrolling!
>>713041868
Guilt. Because even though we don't follow a god we still have feelings, remorse, guilt, etc.
>>713047945
Well, let's hear all the gaps science has.
>>713048020
>implying Stephen Hawking isn't mocked
kek
>>713048135
Hahahahahaha, no friend, that is YOUR viewpoint, you must defend that little one. I will not spoonfeed you. I would say nice try but really it's such a sad and predictable cycle.
>>713048035
They hold true, right?
So, what's worse: your intellectual devoid statements or me pointing them out?
Poe's Law at work here: you're seriously dumber than your momma's cunt yeast or a troll.
>>713041868
Do you just sit and wait for someone to die and go to hell when they wrong you by stealing, raping, etc, ir do you call the cops? If you were truly faithful, you would only do the former. The reality is, nobody fully believes in it, except for some monks somewhere nobody ever goes. They will truly turn the other cheek and all that horseshit, while enduring atrocities that nobody else believes will be solved by a book someone wrote millenia ago by translating gold tablets inside of a hat. Good luck kind of believing in heaven and hell, but we don't rape, steal and murder for the exact same reasons you don't; it's not beneficial to us to do so, and it's detrimental to society.
>>713048245
>Hahahahahaha, no friend, that is YOUR viewpoint, you must defend that little one.
No, it's not, it's yours, you brought it up.
>>713041868
I don't even want to murder people. I don't have the insatiable bloodlust that you apparently have.
>>713048271
Oh no, none of them do in fact. You pinpoint every statement on your little chart and voila! You don't have to argue. It's quite lazy and you would be utterly defeated in any debate forum.
Case in point: you've yet to provide a valid counterargument.
>>713048377
Fair enough, I accept your defeat :)
>>713047101
Why judge what other people do? Live and let live. Both sides of this argument care too much what the other side does. If you want to be religious, go find other people that share your faith, and if you are atheist find like minded companions. Or, as unbelievable as it sounds, you can just accept others as they are and let people live their lives as they please.
>>713041868
You are confusing atheists with sociopaths
>>713048509
Yes, I do.
>>713041868
Religious dogma dictating morality=dark ages mindset. This is why people in the Middle East still butcher each other over religious and tribal beliefs.
Renissaunce and philosophy destroyed this mindset and freed man from the dark ages but left nothing in its place to be a moral compass for those among us not smart enough to be aware of what is inherently right and wrong and virtue.
If western civilization doesn't get its act togeather here right quick and recognize the true threat of immigration we won't be having these conversations as sharia law will be the enforced moral code and we can enjoy a bright future in a second dark ages.
>>713046862
>>713046999
Nice trips but kys newfag
>>713048518
the difference is I do not mock or make fun of atheists. their zeal to squash the opposition belies their deep seated insecurity.
>>713048592
it can be difficult to defend a point you don't have :')
honestly it's too easy with you guys.
>>713048472
You made the claims. I refute them.
Its not necessary for me to make a claim dumb Fuck.
>>713048869
>it can be difficult to defend a point you don't have
You tell me.
>>713048720
Not every atheist is a douchebag anon. Just like there are those zealot religious nut bags that will kill you if you don't believe in the same sky daddy as them.
>>713048961
you stated Christian women support abortion, an unfounded, uncited, and untrue claim. I win.
You're butthurt because we both knew you'd use some extreme example and I beat you to it. You realize it's entirely possible you're the one with your head up your butt? Has that possibility even occurred to you? The truly scientific mind is open to learning and ideas, not closed.
>>713049260
I always seek to learn, never to win or crush my opponent or even to engage in an argument. Only to exchange ideas politely and expose them to criticism. It is refreshing to find an atheist who genuinely doubts the existence of God, not the angsty, butthurt, complete denial that defines the majority.
>>713041868
The little voice in your head that says "Don't be that guy. No one likes that guy."
>>713048720
But you are accomplishing the same, by acting as an antagonist you validate their fears of repression, or you alienate them. You are sturring the pot and invalidating yourself. If you are religious, lead by example. Otherwise,you are just a shitty troll.
You're so cool OP. I wanna be like you. Take me to Mass tomorrow?
>>713049573
The understanding that, through the chaos that is the universe, the building blocks of our life on an asteroid somehow made it to a planet in exactly the right orbit of a star to be hospitable for life is fantastical enough for me. It's amazing enough that that happened as is.
>>713041868
If you need a reason to be a good person and/or do the right thing, you never were and never will be.
>>713041868
its called empathy you flaming fucking faggot
>>713041868
oh god not this autist again
>>713050666
Hey, calm down Satan!
>>713047587
Lol this is one of the dumbest ideals I have ever seen.
>>713050666
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all of you faggots took the b8
>>713043802
animal instincts and inner problems that lead to that are not a reason for punishment. You live with the law for everyone's good. If someone is mistaken, teach him and forgive him as many of us make mistakes and all of us regret them. You cannot take life because your ego was damaged. Cheating on your or stealing of your stuff hits your ego in the first place. Something of YOURS has been taken from you. What religion fails to realize is that for every action, there is a reason. Finding the reason and solving it - allows the unit to continue its existence in a healthy environment. Everyone is happy when everyone is happy. Positive thinking (but still being realistic that you can never kill a person for any other reason, than that person >killing someone else< without true and honest justice.
Any God wouldn't allow people to act like animals. Killing for your ego is an act of barbarism and is of animal cruelty. Only the devil support supports such justice on blood.
>>713051546
whats the fucking story behind this meme? I love it
>>713051284
> as he posts
Funny thing is, I know it's b8 but I like the deb8 and the retarded creationists are g8
>>713051619
His name is Travis. He has two knives.
>>713051728
i hear ya m8
>>713048869
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeobiology
/thread
>>713042103
No... It's because it's wrong. If you don't do bad things simply because you are afraid of Hell you're not a Christian. You're supposed to be a good person because you want to follow the teachings of Jesus, not because you fear going to Hell.
Remember that humans were savages for most of time, through millions of years and parts of evolution we did kill rape and steal. The only time civilization set in was when preists became the leaders
>>713041868
The silver rule: treat others as you would be treated.
I know it's bait. I just like the delicacy.
Well, we have a sense of empathy. The real question is: Is your fear of hell the only thing stopping you from murder? If you stopped believing is that what you'd do? If so, then you should probably see a psychiatrist.
>>713041868
The world is a interesting place to be and there is allot of things to learn.
Murdering and stealing doesn't help you learn interesing stuff.
Its better to be cool with the law and spend your time on learning stuff (In the end it doesnt even matter though)
But learning is fun!
>>713052809
The thing is, that's actually what Christianity was created with the intention of, Hell was never mentioned in the original texts that the bible came from.
Fuck you OP. This is now a spiderman thread.
I'll just leave this here.
>>713041868
What keeps a Christian from committing all the horrific crimes they would want to? I mean all they have to do is ask for forgiveness and none of it ever happened right?
>>713046758
that isn't a valid form of argument. many atheists believe in the rights of the unborn and many Christians believe in the right to choose.
>its another episode of the """"""""""morals"""""""""" meme
>>713054604
Fuck Ronaldo. Fuck Man U, and go die fegggggg
>>713056164
>>713043934
go be a pretend oldfag someplace else
>>713041868
Um, I don't like getting hurt, so why would other people? If i'm nice to someone, they might be nice back. Its not hard to be nice, and its rewarding to create happiness in others. its not fear that makes me want to be kind to others, its compassion
>>713041868
You only need a brain to know that something is wrong or right, there's no such thing as a moral compass
>>713046758
Sometimes abortion is for the better. You have to think about the child's future, if the couple has no means of securing the child's future, being born is already suffering for it. Abortion is not just a choice, it has reasons
>>713046758
You can't kill something that is not alive
>>713047587
>Science has the bigger gap than religion
Yes, if we don't know something for sure we ADMIT it, not create stories to cover up the gap.
>>713041868
It's clear now that the only motivation you have to do something is FEAR.
>>713048245
That sound like ignorance, it clearly shows that you know nothing, like not preparing for a debate and telling the other party to do everything
>>713041868
The fear that the guilt from those actions will turn me into a blubbering christfaggot.
All humans are selfish, it's natural. If Christians are only good so that they can get into heaven, and avoid the consequence of Hell, nun wrong with an atheist only being good to avoid the consequence of jail.
>>713052809
You're contradicting yourself, you don't do something because you know it's wrong, then why the need to follow Jesus?
>>713041868
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want?
Don't shit where you eat.
That's both my answer to the question and my advice to you.
>>713054208
Fuck it let natural selection continue it's course, don't help them, let them contract cholera and die
>>713060768
According to xtian dogma, you innate sense of right and wrong just isn't enough to prevent enough sin to get into heaven. You need the Jesus power-up to make the jump.
empathy
>>713041868
I'm pretty sure the reason I don't do those things is that I'm not a complete dick. You don't need religion for that. In fact, there are plenty of religious people who murder and steal.
>>713061268
Heaven? I'm not religious sorry...
>>713047587
>I'm not even an atheist but holy fuck this post gave me autism
Wipe yourself from this planet
>>713041868
Fuck you that's what
>>713048869
The ":')" you put invalidates your argument. Congrats, hows it feel knowing your opinion is worth 3/5ths of a normal humans?
>>713041868
Compassion and a reflective sense of worth
