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Political compass thread
>>713002455
>>713002711
Hello, /b/rother.
>>713002455
Hello, alternate self.
Purple Master race
at least post the link dickhead
politicalcompass.org/test
>>713002711
Checked, Also beware your Hitler levels. Dangerously high.
>>713002455
damn im the only left leaning person?
i must seize the means of production
>>713002711
>me
>>713002938
>>713004256
>>713003022
It's good to see there aren't as many commies as I thought there'd be
>>713003324
Aren't you proud?
>>713002455
link?
Where are my comrades at?
>>713002455
WeW
Pussys
>>713004992
https://www.politicalcompass.org/test
>>713005325
congrats on being a spineless faggot who's too scared to take a strong stance on anything
Representing that purple master race.
>>713005911
hell yeah
>>713004400
>>713005049
>>713003544
green is good
>>713005809
Congrats on being an extremist who'll kill anyone who disagrees with them
>>713003544
>>713007014
Hey, Brothers
>>713007279
Holy shit, calm down there bud.
>>713007279
Fuck off, commie.
>>713007014
No it isnt. Greens the worst. Especially if you are bottom left.
Top left red is communisum
>>713008100
Well, Communism in of it self is not inherently authoritarian or Libertarian. That is subject to implementation. But, Communism is always the left most, in red or green
>>713008100
>implying that there is inherently 'good' or 'bad' places on the compass.
>>713008322
Green are dumb hippies who don't know how economics work. They are literally blinded by the people in red.
Apple is Red, people who buy apple are green.
>>713008451
Yeah, because Anarchists and Marxists are good. Fuck off
>>713008774
>Yeah, because Anarchists and Marxists are god. Fuck off
Well, Anarchists and Marxists are good. So... yea, all up to interpretation
>>713008158
>>713007929
>>713007279
>>713007014
>>713005049
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>>713004096
>>713003544
>>713003103
How many years in gulag for the reactionaries, comrades?
>>713008774
You sound like when you were like nine you asked your dad what communism was and he just said 'very bad terrorists' and you have just believed that your whole life without daring to challenge your beliefs.
>>713009130
Fuck sending them to the gulag. Just shoot the fuckers. They don't deserve to live.
>>713008774
>literally
now I know you are an idiot/trolling
>>713008774
There are good and bad ideologies within each of the quadrants. To overgeneralize in the way you do is as ignorant as it is childish. Grow up and accept the fact that not everyone you disagree with is retarded
>>713002455
>>713009460
fuck wrong file
>>713009460
>>713009493
Fucking kek
>>713003103
Fucking disgusting. You sjw faggot. Authoritarian Left is the worst kind of person.
>>713009235
You. I like you.
>>713009685
not even close to sjw not sure where you got that from
>>713010045
hate to break it it to you.....
>>713010045
He didn't read that horizontal is economic freedom, not civil rights freedom like he thinks. I guess he can't read.
>>713009685
A real sjw would be much higher and to the left. Just wanting common sense gun control will get you pretty high and that doesnt make you a sjw
ayy bois
>>713009685
Sjw's aren't economically left. They're just fine with capitalism so long as they have their safe spaces. The closest a sjw will ever get to authoritarian left is a social democrat(a la Sweden). Now go to gulag, you goddamn idiot
am i ill?
>>713010399
>sjw
>fine with capitalism
are you fucking retarded? they blame it for everything
you can get any result you want on the final page by changing the variables in the address bar case in point I turned mine up to 11
>>713010568
kek
>>713010261
this quiz actually counts social conservatism as authoritarian. So if you don't like gay marriage and abortion you could still get top left. It's literally impossible to be an sjw and get top left on this quiz
>>713010535
I think you mean patriarchy not capitalism.
>>713010347
Sounds like Lower Left is where the fun is at eh?
>>713003544
Basically me. The usual faggy reaction is that you're just ever so young, but I've been in that square for like 10 years or more, and there really isn't exactly a lot about paying more or less taxes.
I'd like to have a debate about each question with someone in the reverse position from me. See what the logic is - if there is any. Could be intredesting.
>>713010535
they blame white men for everything you fucking moron. You honestly think idiots like Lena Dunham and Emma Watson are economically left? Capitalism made them rich you fucking idiot. Facebook is the poster child for capitalism yet sjws thrive there. Theres a difference between being socially and economically left you retard. Would you consider Fidel Castro to be an sjw. Hes top left and he quarantined gays during the AIDS crisis. Does that sound socially progressive to you? Think before you speak idiot.
>>713010919
fuck that faggot upper left here
love tying my bitch up
>>713010877
Nah plenty point out how Capitalism cannot exist without a large exploited class, the easiest of which is people of color and women
>>713010877
http://www.kasamaproject.org/2015/10/understanding-patriarchy-gender-division-and-sexism-to-end-them/
https://endofcapitalism.com/2011/03/13/capitalism-is-a-form-of-patriarchy/
http://everydayfeminism.com/2016/11/common-behaviors-toxic-capitalism/
>>713002455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxN7F0JhIiE
This is the first and last time I'm making this bullshit. Some of those question were fucking retarded and by the looks of it that website is made by hippies.
>>713011197
Well, really both sound nice. Just dependent on how I'm feeling that day.
>>713011209
Capitalism exploits the working class you idiot. If sjw's gave a shit about the working class Trump wouldn't have won
>>713005809
>nuanced opinion
>afraid to take a strong stance
You know, you can be very extremely centered. Vehemently opposed to both extremes. I don't think we have to encourage people to become more extreme in their political views. Yes, sometimes strong stances are necessary - like with circumcision, for which there exists exactly zero arguments that could make me reconsider the banning of mutilating a child's genitalia, boy or girl - but a balanced approach is rarely completely insane.
>>713011310
It's made by libertarians. You have to be a fucking moron to get authoritarian lol
>>713011339
>Just dependent on how I'm feeling that day.
This
>>713002455
Don't be stupid, guys.
Red Square Masters of the revolution
Threadly reminder
>>713011858
Truth.
>>713008774
>Green are dumb hippies who don't know how economics work.
I fucking love this meme. I'm by no means a genius, and I'm not formally educated in economics, but I seem to always know more about "muh economy" than right wing faggots, who think that jobs will magically spring forth if a few people just have insane amounts of money, regardless of how much money everyone else has.
>>713011388
Of course the working class is being exploited but they are to busy whining that black and gay people have rights to see that.
>>713009942
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7PgqIvy-hz0
>>713011187
>I'd like to have a debate about each question with someone in the reverse position from me.
I'm on the same side as you, but I could probably argue from the other side, it's pretty logical. We all basically believe we should be free to do what we want, as long as we're not actively hurting other people. People on the right just feel like they should be able to decide how they actively help other people, and they also feel that a lot of the hurt the left sees is overblown or illusory.
>>713002455
>>713003103
>>713003544
>>713004096
>>713004400
>>713005325
>>713005049
>>713007014
>>713007279
>>713007929
>>713008158
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>>713009475
>>713009510
>>713009801
>>713010192
>>713010273
>>713010306
>>713010420
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>>713011824
A bunch of low test nu male faggots that need to go back to plebbit.
>>713011788
Its easy not to seem stupid when you have no opinion on anything what so ever
>>713011858
>>713011951
Wrong.
>>713012154
>I could probably argue from the other side, it's pretty logical.
Same, but it's always refreshing hearing people who seriously believe it. Maybe they've thought of shit I haven't.
I'm off the charts!
>>713012196
It must suck to be afraid of having opinions that other people could say makes you a "low test nu male". You're actually a bit of a bitch. Both sides have a lot of bitches, and you're one of them.
You should try out independent thought. It's bretty gud. No, I'm not saying that you then automatically agree with me, but at least your opinions would be your own, instead of just a blue or red collective hive mind.
>>713012265
>>713005809
> Muh centrist's have no opinion on anything meme
gtfo pls
>>713011515
Oh so you are supposed to get libertarian? Then how come I got what I got?
>>713012697
>The liberal tries to justify this degenerate ideology
Hahahaha how about you fuck off to Blacked.com where you belong?
>>713012914
You must be the literal reincarnation of Joseph Stalin. Good work, comrade
>>713009460
Sauce?
>>713012697
>You're actually a bit of a bitch. Both sides have a lot of bitches, and you're one of them
Says the liberal
>>713013346
found it in a thread
green or die
>>713011210
Article 1 totally supports your thesis but the author seems to be doing a stream of consciousness thing that I don't really get.
Article 2 has a good title for you but then says that unpaid labor is a part of capitalism which seems to go against the definition of the word.
Article 3 explicitly states
When I talk about capitalism, I’m not talking about the economic system.
>>713013649
>that close to center
>green or die
are you ill?
>>713011210
Compile that into an online book and call it "Autism: in Word Text Form"
>>713013938
still green faggot
>>713014003
you don't want to be associated with anything further in green than what you're in buddy
>>713013216
Fuck off I got work to do
>>713014003
>still green faggot
regardless, being in green or red is degenerate even if by a sliver.
Hopefully this clears it up
>>713014003
dumbass that's like the kids in 2nd grade talking about how hard math class is because its 'still math'
>>713014349
pretty much this
>>713014349
Nope but it really does cheer me up thanks.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BulFwGSi8bc
>>713014349
"hah support an ideology? you think i would take the risk of having people disagree with me?
i'm just going to mock every political spectrum position implying everyone is dumb haha now everyoen knows i'm smart and above all by saying how i cleared the thread up"
>>713014349
>Communism is in the green area
>>713002455
>>713014935
only the ideological form of communism is in the green, real communism is in the red
>>713014935
It's supposed to represent socialism
>>713015428
Social Democratism (aka Scandinavia) is in green. Socialism is red.
>>713015321
yeah i know. Marxism-Leninism aka Utopia that will never be accomplished is in green. Protectism, Anti-Globalism, Human Rights and Government Power Socialism is in Red
>>713007279
Anarchy my man
>>713012697
yea I agree some people are to stupid to accept that other people have opinions
>>713013530
>>713013110
I placed left/middle and I've successfully argued anyone who placed otherwise on every issue listed. If you're so confident your superior prove it.
>>713014219
explain
>>713013110
>he thinks the left side of this chart means liberal
>>713015678
Socialism + Authoritarianism = Communism
At least that's the way I understand it, and that's what the graph is trying to convey. I'd say Social Democratism is the upper right of bottom-left and regular socialism is the rest.
But these differences are subtle, and due to differences in opinion. If you can find me something objective that defines these terms succinctly I'd like to read it
green master race
>>713016661
>Socialism + Authoritarianism = Communism
Not really true.
Communism is more of the end form of socialism, that is Stateless, Class less, and without currency or markets.
The way of achieving it variets.
AnComs, straight to it through Revoution
Most Marxist ideals is more gradual. Through the apparatus of the state.
itt: people who are so obsessed with colors that they accept everything within their own KEK
>>713014751
This is exactly where I got marked. Canadian liberals call me far-right if you want this to be put into refrence.
>>713008968
Lol no
>>713009186
Is this coming from experience? I have read/watched enough to understand the communisim is shit and does not work.
My father was never there to teach me that stuff. So I had to figure it out with a non bias mind set
>>713009378
Fuck off
>>713009385
Everyone who likes Communisum or is an Anarchist is retarded. Any other ideologys are reasonable
>>713011952
>doesn't know about our economy
Why argue about it then
>>713017766
>Lol no
Explain please?
>>713017766
>>>713009385
>Everyone who likes Communisum or is an Anarchist is retarded. Any other ideologys are reasonable
Believe it or not, silly political tribalism like this IS retarded, not believing in a specific ideology.
>>713017106
What youre describing is the Marxist-Leninist Utopia. There are many other branches of Communism like Stalinism and Castroism and shit
Any other liberals who hate liberals? I'm fine with paying taxes, I like universal healthcare and good roads. I don't want to slave away for some rich cunt who makes more money in an hour than I do in a year. I want people to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt each other.
But fuck feminism and gender bullshit. White people aren't evil, and not all men are rapists. Normal liberals are fine. New liberals are cancer.
>>713003544
Hello comrad
TRY TO TAKE MY GUNS
>>713016661
Socialism + Authoritarianism = Stately Controlled Communism/Evolved Socialism.
>>713018508
>Anarchy
More like pre-industrilazation Era of governing
>>713018323
Yea, but those are still derived from ML to varying degrees. With much of the original purpose being removed.
What's this mean
I got that, and i don't really agree, all you get for options is i agree, disagree and strongly variants of that, and it sucks because some of the questions are more complicated and require different answers, because some times its, its a situational problem, or its to complicated, or even a simple i have no feelings one way or another on this. it forces an answer and thats how you get different results. it might be right but i personally think im a bit more center then that
>>713018900
sanity
>>713002455
Heil Hitler?
>>713018767
Yeah its kind of like Chirstianity where they branched out from the original branch but still maintained a little bit of it. They're still pro-worker though
>>713019159
Commiebro
>>713019242
True. But as the state still exists in those cases I would just keep them as State Socialist at best.
>>713017924
Read or research what they both are maybe?
>>713018190
Beleiving in Communisum or Anarchy is a dumb ideology. And going around saying political tribalism is dumb makes you look more retarded
>>713019546
>Read or research what they both are maybe?
Yea, I have read and researched it, and that's why I am an AnCom.
Green and Purple are legit
Red and Blue can get fucked.
Better to debate the merits of economic policy while agreeing that people have rights.
>>713019159
>Heil Hitler?
More like пролетарии всех стран, соединяйтесь.
>>713019694
Agreed.
since half of you don't know what you're looking at
Red... Paint it all red!
>>713019694
Blue and Purple are legit*
Red and Green can get fucked.*
FIFY
>>713019677
So I'm guessing want to stand half a day in line for bread?
You can go to the store and buy mountain dew and pocky within minutes, thanks to capitalism.
>>713020026
This.
>>713019937
>>713020026
So its better to agree on economic policy and debate whether people should have rights than to agree about human rights and debate economic policy?
>>713019847
but muh 4 colors
>>713018330
Yeah, I used to, kinda still do a bit. But it's like any group you're not part of, you mostly experience the loudest, most extreme members.
Like if someone replied to you with
>not all rich people are cunts
they'd be ignoring what you're talking about to argue about the words you used. Ends up a lot of people think that anyone talking about how extreme wealth disparity causes systemic problems just thinks money = ebil.
>>713019677
It may sound good in your head. Heck I would love if communisum would work. But there is 100% no fucking way it will. Corruption will always kick you in the ass and fuck the whole system up. Literally need to brainwash a whole population into not being corrupt
>>713019847
Nice.
>>713020404
Well, we have had some examples of LibSoc and AnCom societies that seemed to be getting on quite well, but the StateSoc usually end up fucking with em
>>713019847
One thing to note is that the "national socialism" sector describes the NSDAP's left wing that was purged once Hitler gained the chancellorship. Hitler's wing of the party was square in the Nationalism sector. The "National Socialist" sector is more like Strasserism.
>>713019469
>>713019733
b-but I'm german~
Exactly.
>>713005049
>>713020195
>implying anything not libertarian automatically doesn't have human rights
Retard detected.
>>713019847
Anarcho-Collectivism
4chan seems smarter than I have imagined.
I wonder what SJW's results would look like and what their reaction on it would be
>>713020604
I would have the NatSoc be a bit more right, Maybe withing the Totalitarianism section.
But your point still stands.
>>713020637
East German maybe.
>>713020850
And?
>>713011824
>>713011310
>>713014779
>>713020983
Its very disgusting.
I couldn't find a good enough reaction.
>>713020637
Just like Karl Marx.
>>713020778
OK, fine, the bottom third of Red and Blue aren't monsters. The top two thirds screw human rights at every turn
>>713021032
How is it disgusting?
>>713020935
I'm what 4chan would probably call SJW, I end up a bit less green than >>713018508 and it's about what I expected.
>>713020637
Oh, so just like Marx then?
>>713021155
What do you mean you fucking retard. Google is there if you dont know what its means
I used to be a lot more further bottom Right, some of the questions could be interpreted in a few different way. I guess I was a bit more moderate on some of them... AnCap 4EvA!!!
>>713021415
I know what it means, but I don't see how you find is disgusting.
>>713020959
>>713021133
>>713021411
s-stahp it!~
>>713020637
So just like Marx and Engels?
Used to be in centre
>>713021265
you disgust me
Well i guess im a leftie
>>713002455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RLwxYWrj2tA
>>713021532
Anarchism. Do you need help as to what that means? If you are that braindead to follow Anarchists then I dont see a point arguing with you
>>713020696
Hey me, it's you
>>713002455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qxN7F0JhIiE
>>713021762
Well, how about you justify your actual objections on it.
I have my reasons for supporting it.
>>713020637
Why so surprised? Your people invented the damn thing, fucking commies.
>>713021762
Already going on the ad hominem, failing at arguing 101.
>>713021737
Piss off with your shit League of Losers links. Go troll other threads
This is a more accurate political scale!
>>713021658
Interestingly, disgust sensitivity is correlated with political conservatism.
>>713021967
>>713021993
Anarchy is literllay chaos and pointless violence. You can come up with as many excuses as "waaaa I'm different" but you're not.
>>713021141
Bottom third of Red (and the rest of Red) are monsters though. Socialism is evil.
>>713022463
Pussy confirmed
>>713022424
>>713022424
Anarchy by definition is without rulers. Not without rules. There is a difference
>>713022584
Welfare leech confirmed.
>>713022908
>>713022584
>>713022776
Exactly. Which will cause useless violence that goes no where. No one will follow some rules made by the public. I was referring to Anarchists right now that cause chaos and pointless violence. Which is just a taste of it. If those people will be part of an Anarchist society it just odes not work
>>713022463
Sure. Not as evil as capitalism though
>>713022584
Not relying on hand-outs is the opposite of being a pussy. Relying on them instead of fixing your own damn problems by yourself is the definition of being a pussy.
>>713022776
And without rulers (de facto at least, to enforce the rules), the rules don't get enforced, which quickly leads to chaos and pointless violence, which quickly leads to warlords and other nominal rulers taking over. Because anarchy is ludicrously fragile.
All of you scared at the very idea of communism should know that communism is one of the very best if not the best ideology on both paper and practice. All you need is a person who wants the best for the people.
>>713023149
Well, we have Catalonia, Free Territory (Both fucked over by the USSR)
now we got Rojava (Anarchist w/o saying so really)
There would still be a structure, just it would be horizontal, kinda Directly Democratic in a way
>>713023415
Well, there could still be a workers militia of sorts that could enforce the basic shit. No Raping, Murdering, Assaulting etc.
>>713023389
Oh really now? Or is it that you are just simply ashamed?
>>713023149
I think anon believes rioting + vandalizing = anarchism, or bait
>>713022776
That makes no fucking sense whatsoever. That's like saying cold is by definition without heat, not without fire. You can't have rules without someone to enforce them, you fucking idiot.
>>713023842
In fact it makes sense, because nothing can get more "primal" than anarchism. It can not get any more simple.
>>713023576
Lol communism best in practice
What year were you get legally declared a retard
>>713023625
>workers militia of sorts that could enforce the basic shit
And who decided what that is, and who holds the militia accountable? Who will fund and supply this militia? How is the militia to enforce the rules and discover violations?
>>713021420
A bit better towards AnCap, haha, still some of the questions though, they could be just moral issues not political issues :S
>>713024013
The one after you got hit by autism, but hey, I don't judge. I guess your little puss-puss can't handle it anyway.
Good times
>>713002455
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRm-bgIMQfQ
>>713023415
that's where the problem with anarchism is; people. every category bordering the edge of the chart are pure theories that cannot work because of the human factor
>>713023749
No there are people who identify as anarchists who riot and shit. They aren't legit. They are retards.
People who actually follow it think that everyone will follow their ideology and that it will work. Which it wont.
>>713022424
Anarchy is utopia and violence is pointless. You can come up with any crying to help pass an argument off without having to think about it.
>>713024087
>How is the militia to enforce the rules and discover violations?
Patrol, and work on reports of the populace
>Who will fund and supply this militia?
Just like any other. Out of the Communal stocks
>And who decided what that is, and who holds the militia accountable?
The populace would. If a militia member is found to be abusing his position, he would be taken off the militia.
>>713023625
I'm sure there would be functioning people who understand anarchy like >>713023749 but they just don't understand that it will never work
>>713024524
Kek. Oh you make me laugh.
>>713023279
Tell that to all the millions of people who got tortured in a gulag or whose family members were murdered by Stalin, I'm sure they'll agree with you.
>>713023708
Ashamed of what? Not being an incompetent piece of shit who needs hand-outs in order to survive?
I'm Gandhi bitches
>>713024759
Anarchy cannot work because people want to steal from you.
>>713024692
State Socialism.
Also, tell that to all of those who went starving on the streets after loosing their factory job. Or those who lost a leg in Iraq fighting for Oil to feed the capitalist system. Or those who were shot dead by Federal troops in the 1800's while they fought for better working conditions.
>>713024885
>>713002455
Kek, answering no to everything
>>713024968
I'd rather be a victim of circumstance than state genocide.
Right on par wit my boy Milton
>>713024013
>communism is best in practice
>I hate browsing what I want
>I hate freedom
>I just want to constantly say that my leader is the best
>I can actually put anyone I know in jail by proclaiming to the "police" that they are rebels
>I like it when one person works while 10 others leech from him
You murricans know nothing about communism.
>>713024581
>Patrol, and work on reports of the populace
This organization sounds like an institutionalized bureaucracy, which involves hierarchies and leaders.
>Just like any other. Out of the Communal stocks
So the person responsible for directing these stocks is the leader.
>The populace would.
So the person responsible for distributing news is the leader.
>he would be taken off the militia.
How would the public do this? The people who run and supply the militia are not necessarily the ones who will disagree about a particular member's action's. In fact, history shows that they are likely to cover for other members of their in-group to secure their institutional and political power.
>>713025122
Well, then tell that to the Natives who were killed en masse by the imperialistic US regime.
>>713024968
Shall we compare body counts on each topic you mentioned?
>>713024206
Please give examples of communism working on a large scale in modern society
>>713025277
>This organization sounds like an institutionalized bureaucracy, which involves hierarchies and leaders.
Would be structured like any other workplace. Horizontally, without leaders
>So the person responsible for directing these stocks is the leader.
Again, Communally run stocks
>So the person responsible for distributing news is the leader.
Yet again, collectively run news media
>How would the public do this? The people who run and supply the militia are not necessarily the ones who will disagree about a particular member's action's. In fact, history shows that they are likely to cover for other members of their in-group to secure their institutional and political power.
That is true.
>>713025528
"Ignoring other big wars due to capitalism and only focusing on US action and only including one year for things that are systemic (ie. poverty), which is being really damn conservative because Japan engaged in brutal imperialism, we get a total of 205,000,000 killed directly or indirectly because of capitalism."
While Communism is seen to have lead to the deaths of some 100 Million or so, so approximately half that of Capitalism
>>713024968
>Also, tell that to all of those who went starving on the streets after loosing their factory job.
No one is stopping them from getting a job that isn't shit. If you're homeless, that's your fault for being a lazy retard who can't get a job and didn't go to school.
>Or those who lost a leg in Iraq fighting for Oil to feed the capitalist system.
No one was forcing them to join the army, they knew the risks when they decided to sign up, their fault once again. Also,
>implying socialist states never go to war for selfish reasons too.
>Or those who were shot dead by Federal troops in the 1800's while they fought for better working conditions.
>the "better working conditions" meme.
If a job has shitty working conditions, then don't work there, you fucking retard, and then the companies will be forced to change their conditions because they don't have enough employees.
>>713025353
>imperialistic
>>713025611
>Would be structured like any other workplace. Horizontally, without leaders
But who organizes the patrols, processes reports, and decides who will work on which case? Horizontal organization here would lead to a clusterfuck with inconsistent coverage and enforcement, leading to chaos and the rise of warlords.
>Again, Communally run stocks
Are you proposing that the entire community gathers as a direct democracy to explicitly allocate resources for every individual expense of this militia? Rather than designating a person or group to handle mundane day to day stuff like that, like every such organization in history? Because people will get bored with that, and it will end up under the control of a small number of interested parties regardless, and they will become de facto leaders of the militia.
>Yet again, collectively run news media
Same exact problem as above, and it will probably be the same people who end up running both.
>That is true.
Which means that your proposed system is fatally broken, and amounts to a rehash of conventional social organization. Primitive and abuse-prone organization at that.
>>713026491
This.
>>713025967
Putting quotes around something doesn't make it true. Got a source for that with its methodology available for examination?
>>713025353
The natives weren't killed by capitalism, you dumbass. They got invaded. Guess what, socialist states invade and kill people too.
>>713025276
This is facism please educate yourself
>>713027062
No it isnt.
I bet you think Donald Trump is a facist
>>713027062
>implying there is a difference
Socialism is just left-wing fascism.
>>713026491
>No one was forcing them to join the army, they knew the risks when they decided to sign up, their fault once again. Also,
Well, for much of the lower class, they don't have much of a real choice.
>If a job has shitty working conditions, then don't work there, you fucking retard, and then the companies will be forced to change their conditions because they don't have enough employees.
Again, it was quite common place to have similar conditions in that time period. There would be little reason for them to change.
>No one is stopping them from getting a job that isn't shit. If you're homeless, that's your fault for being a lazy retard who can't get a job and didn't go to school.
Again, the lower class is the most likely for this to happen to. They typically are unable to finish school, as they must take on menial jobs to help support the family
>>713026971
http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/
>>713026714
>But who organizes the patrols, processes reports, and decides who will work on which case? Horizontal organization here would lead to a clusterfuck with inconsistent coverage and enforcement, leading to chaos and the rise of warlords.
All separate divisions within the militia.
>Are you proposing that the entire community gathers as a direct democracy to explicitly allocate resources for every individual expense of this militia? Rather than designating a person or group to handle mundane day to day stuff like that, like every such organization in history? Because people will get bored with that, and it will end up under the control of a small number of interested parties regardless, and they will become de facto leaders of the militia.
You could choose to have someone vote for you if you wish, but you are not obligated to follow their vote at all times.
>Same exact problem as above, and it will probably be the same people who end up running both.
Collectively run like any other work place
>Which means that your proposed system is fatally broken, and amounts to a rehash of conventional social organization. Primitive and abuse-prone organization at that.
Not quite. Just like anything, it can be tweaked to be the best that it could through trial any error.
>>713027026
Well, why did we invade the natives? Imperialistic reasons, which includes capture of resources that would be fed back into the Capitalist system.
>>713027774
>>713027497
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>>713027865
>Well, for much of the lower class, they don't have much of a real choice.
They do have a choice, a lot of them in fact. I came from a lower class family too, but that never stopped me from getting a job, going to school and getting a place of my own. Being lower class or poor isn't an excuse to not better yourself. Homeless people are just lazy piece of shit and deserve to be homeless.
>Again, it was quite common place to have similar conditions in that time period. There would be little reason for them to change.
If no one works for them, they HAVE to change. It's simple, don't like your job, quit and get a better one.
>Again, the lower class is the most likely for this to happen to. They typically are unable to finish school, as they must take on menial jobs to help support the family
See above. If you're unable to finish school, then that's your own fault.
>>713029041
>hey do have a choice, a lot of them in fact. I came from a lower class family too, but that never stopped me from getting a job, going to school and getting a place of my own. Being lower class or poor isn't an excuse to not better yourself. Homeless people are just lazy piece of shit and deserve to be homeless.
Some are able to, some aren't. Also, quite a few homeless that I've seen are either disabled or mentally ill/
>If no one works for them, they HAVE to change. It's simple, don't like your job, quit and get a better one.
But if all do basically the same shit, why would one quite to work in damn near the same conditions?
>See above. If you're unable to finish school, then that's your own fault.
For some, but some join up specifically so they have a shot at higher education through the GI bill
>>713003544
Nah, when I took it a week ago I was pretty much in the same spot. Last UK election I voted Green, and for the first Canadian one I'm eligible for it'll probably be the Liberals, unless the Canadian Greens start impressing me.
>>713027997
And why did Soviets invade Eastern Europe and Central Asia? Imperialistic reasons, which includes capture of resources that would be fed back into the Socialist system. That means socialism must be bad, right? No, every country invades and tries to get resources, it's nothing out of the ordinary.
>>713029524
I am not justifying what they did, I'm just saying that Capitalist systems are just as guilty, potentially more so
>>713011187
In my experience, debating works less well than just listening without judgement and asking lots of questions.
It took me a while to get any good at it though, especially when your gut instinct to a lot of people opinions is to write them off as a fool.
>>713027906
>http://www.petersaysstuff.com/2014/05/attempting-the-impossible-calculating-capitalisms-death-toll/
>communist famines are due to stupidity rather than malice, so they don't count
>"institutional poverty" is the fault of capitalism, which apparently created the phenomenon while producing the highest standards of living the world has ever seen, and counts against capitalism but not the economic systems that are worse in this regard
>all such "poverty" deaths everywhere are blamed on capitalism (gentrification is apparently a major cause of death here)
>whenever the US intervenes in another country's affairs, all deaths from internal conflict there are the fault of capitalism, including proxy wars with communist backers
>the destruction of the native american populations (mostly by plague and in most cases well before European settlers arrived there) is capitalism's fault
>children dying of diseases which are preventable now because capitalism has produced treatments go in the "killed by capitalism" column
Much source! Very methodology!
>>713029369
>Some are able to, some aren't. Also, quite a few homeless that I've seen are either disabled or mentally ill/
I've seen blind people work, deaf people work, people with down syndrome work, amputees work. Unless you're quadriplegic, you don't have an excuse. Just look at Stephen Hawking. There is never an excuse to not try to better yourself. If you're so disabled that you're not able to work no matter what, then you're doomed anyway, socialism or not.
>But if all do basically the same shit, why would one quite to work in damn near the same conditions?
Then don't work at all unless they change, what's so hard to understand? If no one works for them, they must change.
>For some, but some join up specifically so they have a shot at higher education through the GI bill
What's the argument here?
>>713027945
>All separate divisions within the militia.
And these divisions do different things in an organizational hierarchy.
>Just like anything, it can be tweaked to be the best that it could through trial any error.
You're acting like this hasn't already been tried and found wanting. Have you ever organized a small group to do something? Division and specialization of labor works better for most things than horizontal egalitarian collectivism, and a conventionally-organized company will run circles around collectives made of real-world humans in virtually all real-world endeavor. There is a reason why (non-anarcho) communists want collective ownership of companies while maintaining conventional organizational systems. Hint: they can actually get things done.
>>713029655
No, because getting resources is what countries do in order to survive and has nothing to do with political ideology. A country that doesn't, won't exist for very long.
>>713002455
>>713019847
Another representation. Liberty hat here bottom right.
>>713030993
my results
>>713030452
>Then don't work at all unless they change, what's so hard to understand? If no one works for them, they must change.
Which we did do, with the strikes, which were dealt with violently by the Factories and Federal Gov't
>What's the argument here?
That for some of the lower class to have a proper shot at life, they must go overseas to fight for a corrupt system.
>I've seen blind people work, deaf people work, people with down syndrome work, amputees work. Unless you're quadriplegic, you don't have an excuse. Just look at Stephen Hawking. There is never an excuse to not try to better yourself. If you're so disabled that you're not able to work no matter what, then you're doomed anyway, socialism or not.
Typically in minimum to barely above minimum wage jobs that you can't really survive on
>>713030682
>And these divisions do different things in an organizational hierarchy.
Not a top down hierarchy
>>713030933
And that's why I am opposed to the notion of States and Countries
>>713031425
so instead of trying and barely living just give up and hope the gubbament pays you more to do nothing than you would working?
>>713002455
purple master race
>>713003324
Hitler was authoritarian left, not authoritarian right
>>713030993
All right, that settles it. Commies have the comfiest hats, so let's get to overthrowing the bourgeoisie.
>>713031445
>Not a top down hierarchy
>thinks that there is some other kind of hierarchy
Look up what that word means, anon.
>>713031471
It doesn't just apply to countries, it applies to everything. Things need resources in order to continue prospering. Good luck trying to survive without taking a single resource from anything, that includes eating and getting paid.
>>713031603
No. Or you can actually fight for a system that allows anyone, a real shot at a proper life.
>>713031716
Authoritarian Center. (Strasser could be seen as Authoritarian Left)
>>713031716
Fell asleep in history class, huh?
>>713031840
Well, maybe "hierarchy" isn't the best word.
But I mean, more of a horizontal organization, with different divisions, serving their role.
>>713031855
Free association between communes facilitated by a Federal Assembly probably could rectify this
>>713032001
How in the hell was Hitler authoritarian right? He was a socialist retard. That's far left.
>>713032189
And here comes that whole thing with "National Socialist" means they are Socialist just because they used that word.
So, is North Korea a Democratic state, just because they that word in their official name? No. They aren't
>>713031425
>Which we did do, with the strikes, which were dealt with violently by the Factories and Federal Gov't
Yes, and it worked, didn't it? If it wasn't for capitalism the changes would probably never have happened since the state would control everything.
>That for some of the lower class to have a proper shot at life, they must go overseas to fight for a corrupt system.
>implying you can't get paid any other way
No one is forcing them to join the army, that's their choice. There are plenty of ways to "get a proper shot at life" without joining the military if you don't want to. Compare this to socialism where you have no say what job you do at all. don't like your job? Fuck you, deal with it.
>Typically in minimum to barely above minimum wage jobs that you can't really survive on
Whoever can't survive on minimum wage is an idiot. I lived on minimum wage for 5 years just fine. Also, no one is stopping you from getting a job that pays better.
>>713009510
You are Gandhi
