What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of prison the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
>>712988818
fag
>>712988818
yeah
>>712988818
>The fear of reprisal?
With no god to punish me? Hell no!
>>712988818
I agree op, usually you're a faggot.
clearly you have a point. when I was an edgy 17 year old fag I thought i was atheist too
>>712990000
Checked
Jail you fucking retard
>>712988818
You answered your own question.
Facism is the only real Religion
Heil
>>712988818
>atheist
>no moral compass
5/10
mildly perturbed
But what Is my life without nodes?
>>712990000
Hi OP
I'm an atheist and I steal all the time
I think it's fun
murder sounds pretty cool too
>>712990000
Checkin dem quads
>>712988818
I don't hurt and steal because I have no desire to.
I'm addicted to the rush of making other people happy, and those actions go against that.
Atheism doesn't mean a lack of morality, if anything I think that someone refraining from these actions because of nothing but a fear of hell represents a lack of morality.
Wait. Empathy is just a thing if you are religious? That's good to know, I was already a bit nervous where all those feelings are everyone keeps talking about.
>>712990000
Now you're a 21 year old edgy faggot going through his born again phase.
Atheists do not have a moral barometer unlike the religious
I'm so sad I won't ever have a moral compass. Better kill and murder people.
>>712988818
atheists are cancer.
Luckily society's immune system is pretty good, atheists commit suicide and die of drug overdoses more than any other religion.
In addition, only young egotistical males become atheistic. They mostly grow out of it or get really fucking creepy and dedicate their whole lives to it like model train collectors.
>>712990111
Trips of truth
>>712988818
If you're religious and you need the fear of some higher power to stop you from murdering and stealing, you need some fucking therapy.
>>712990880
That doesn't affect whether or not there is a God though.
Wow, there are people posting in these b8 threads..
I thought these people already ceased to exist. Well, retards be retards.
>>712991020
On one hand I know it's bait, but on the other the alcohol whispers to me to respond anyways.
>>712990988
>mostly drug addled suicidal/egotistical young men that hold the belief that there's no God.
>that has no bearing!
If only people with their hands sand blasted off believed grabbing sand blasters was a good idea, would you agree?
Atheism is for retarded little kids.
>>712991020
People just used to get bored and post b8 memes no one would fall for. Arguing Is just pointless.
>>712991124
And fairy tales written by desert Jews are the obvious answer. Argument for ignorance. "I don't know what the answer is so therefore it must be God." A false meaning to life is stupid.
>>712991460
The most powerful position in the world is the President of the United States. Kindly name one that wasn't religious on some level.
Atheism is for retarded children. You'll grow out of it.
>>712991614
Who the fuck cares? Is the president the happiest person on Earth?
>>712991124
>i think im smart
>but my logic says if less people believe in god he becomes less real
Stop wasting our oxygen
>>712991614
What does the president accomplish? Does he fuck a lot of women? No.
>>712991792
GRAB
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal?
No, that's Christians. Atheists don't need a reason to be decent people.
>>712991717
Well we've already established atheists aren't happy (high suicide rate and drug abuse rate). So even if that was relevant (it's not, children are super happy but useless) it doesn't work in your favor.
>>712991897
That doesn't prove it's not true.
>>712991897
That doesn't prove whether there is a God. I'n not gonna believe something that's not true just so I can feel good.
>>712991897
>we've established
Posting some shit does not mean you've established it.
>>712991897
You are the one who said Atheists were unhappy in the first place. Now you're saying it's irrelevant.
>>712992042
>implying you're not just an atheist so you can have an undeserved sense of superiority.
>>712991947
That's actually exactly what that proves.
>>712992083
Search it for yourself, drug addicts that are atheists almost never recover. That's why AA encourages belief in a higher power. It gives you a huge advantage when it comes to doing something hard but ultimately beneficial aka being an adult.
God damn it people! Quit acknowledging this shit! Just let these trolls fade away!
>>712988818
https://youtu.be/lmhiibdwznQ
https://youtu.be/x726HASktrQ
>>712988818
Fear of reprisal definitely. You know why they say they there are no atheists in foxholes?
Because they're all cowardly vaping cucks.
>>712992197
lol no I'm an atheist because I don't believe in God. That statement leads me to believe you only believe in God because it gives you a sense of superiority. Either that or you secretly feel inferior to atheists.
>>712992283
They can't. atheists are unhappy and want to believe in God but they don't want to let go of that smug sense of superiority.
The ironing is they can't be successful until they learn they're nothing compared to God.
>>712992449
What? No. I don't believe in God because it makes no damn sense.
>>712992302
lets dumb it down.
https://youtu.be/FOoffXFpAlU
>>712992515
You're a young man?
You're angry and frequently despondant.
You often have thoughts of self harm and abuse or have the capacity to abuse drugs?
Tell me I'm wrong.
>>712992283
but i enjoy the rantings of /rel/tarded brainlets
>>712992595
You're wrong.
>>712988818
common sense ?
>>712992595
no
no
no
no
you're wrong
>>712992824
Boom got em.
>>712992760
>>712992824
Two females, both happy and drug free atheists.
On /b/.
This is the problem with atheists, they lie to you and they lie to themselves.
You'll grow out of it. Atheism is like being a liberal, the vast majority of people grow out if it by 25 or so.
>>712992595
Fuck God.
>>712988818
>>712992953
lol you are a Jew/ sand nigger cuck cause that's who created your religion. You actually believe the Earth is 6000 years old? You're lying to yourself.
>>712988818
Why do religious people only do things out of fear of spirit jail? Seems vain.
Well there are the systems of control we have in our society now. There's not just punishment by the state but we also have social taboos and such and "wrong" behaviour will be met with some soicial retribution.
But generally speaking. Morality doesn't have to stem from some sort of authority. Spiritual or not. Morality can be developed by looking at whats's beneficial to a society and what not.
So there can be a moral compass based on what actions are the most useful for all and what actions are not.
>>712992892
dude im 43, happily married, father of two lovely children and have a solid career and lots of friends. my hobbies are playing guitar, BBQ and trolling idiots like you.
>>712993423
What do you mean? I am an Atheist.
>>712993423
I literally mean you got him.
>>712990880
Apart from the fact that you base your argument on solely subjective impressions that you have gotten from your biased point of view what you say means nothing when we look at it from another point of view.
For example " only young egotistical males become atheistic" can mean so much to so many people. But anyways.
If you believe that being religious will somehow make you a better person then I wonder why you seem like someone with so little empathy or compassion for people.
>>712988818
Yes
>>712988818
For me, it's Deontological ethics. I wouldn't want someone stealing from me, so I don't steal from them.
>also, I was b8ed
>>712993423
Yeah right basement dwelling slimebag. Playing the guitar yeah right.
Probably in your late 20's, living alone with some shit-tier job in IT. Maybe in an open relationship at best with some borderline cunt.
>>712993588
Because I'm not religious.
I'm what you define as an atheist, but I define myself as an agnostic since I don't lean either way.
Honestly, faith is silly and emotional. Most people need it though.
>>712988818
I am allergic to bullshit.
I get a rash if I even just smell a bible...
>>712988818
>you need religion to be moral
7/10 my jimmies jostled for a brief moment
>>712993697
I see God has made you quite a nice person.
>>712993286
I think saying that morality is derived from whats good for society is too far from the point. If anything, its based on people's interactions with one another in relation to harm or help and whether or not those actions are justified.
>>712993664
> Being atheist
> Citing the golden rule.
So thick.
>>712993585
Sorry. This >>712993423
Was for >>712992953
>>712988818
You're saying you'd do all of those things if you didn't believe in God? So basically, the only thing that makes you a good person is the fact that you think you'll get a huge reward. When an atheist does something good, it's out of kindness, not because we think bad things will happen. You literally just pointed out an argument against yourself. Why don't you reply for once instead of posting this crap then hiding.
I love when people totally show their asses by asking this question, basically admitting that if they thought for one second Sky Daddy wasn't around to spank them, they'd turn into murderous, thieving, raping hedonism vampire out to drain their fellow man of everything they can take before expiring.
That makes you a real piece of shit to atheists, but it's even worse if you're a Christian. If you actually read your own fucking bible, you'd see that God knows when you're paying lip service and when you're truly walking his path, it goes beyond being good for goodness sake. You have to feel it, too. Being an inch away from turning into a psychopath isn't very Christ-like.
>>712993784
>implying the 'golden rule' is exclusive to dogmatic faiths
>implying Deontism didn't precede Xtianity by hundreds of years
>>712993741
I just don't see a lot of happy, complete, normal stable families headed by militant atheists in their 40's while they still browsing b.
Remorse
Empathy
Humanity
You don't need a fictional creature who scares you with a burning pit. You're human and thus capable of seperating wrong from right.
Your brain recognizes things like agony and sadness as a result of the action/damage you inflicted, and tells you it's not okay.
Only retards need religion to stay good.
>>712994038
*Only retards need religion
>>712993991
$(this);
>>712988818
It's called intelligence!
The fact that humans have outlawed slavery in most of the world is proof enough that Humanity has a moral compass without the word of God. I guess God forgot to let Humanity know that slavery was wrong in the Ten Commandments forgot to let Humanity know that slavery was wrong in 2/10 minutes
>tfw atheist and still bound by human morality
I don't do bad things to people or animals because it would make me feel bad.
>>712994036
A lot of priests rape little boys. A lot of Muslims like Jihad. A lot of African voodoo enthusiasts murder people and use their severed limbs for rituals.
>>712990880
> atheists commit suicide and die of drug overdoses more than any other religion.
> In addition, only young egotistical males become atheistic.
[Citation needed]
Also b8.
>>712993998
> Childishly using the cringe term "Xtianity"
> Knowing full well that deontism started with Kant. Seriously, Judaism is 3000 years old. There was no philosophy of substance back then.
>>712994038
/Thread
>>712993752
I didn't mean that morality is derived from what's good for society. I meant that we can derive morality from that I think that would be a better foundation for morals in general.
A lot of morals are based upon vague subjective impression and and they cause more harm than good in this world in my opinion.
>>712994036
How would you know anything about the people who post on /b/?
Oh wait, dont tell me: you have established it, amirite?
>>712988818
shitty bait, but still guaranteed replies
>>712994180
And your point is? You're trying to call me out on stereotyping atheists while that is all you fuckers ever do with your endless "All relishiun iz saamee all beleiv in ski wisurd".
>>712994232
>Wants me to type the longhand form of Xtianity
>Ignoring that Deontological Ethics have been around since the Ancient Greeks
>Thinking Judaism === Xtianity
>me, still being b8ed because bored otherwise
>>712988818
You see, the genius of this troll is that the questions asked aren't actual hard questions, they are the easy questions that have easy answers. That draws in so many more idiots to take the bait and comment.
>>712993664
>knows the future
God doesn't know what humans will do in their lives, which is why we have free will. He just knows generally what kind of people we will be upon birth.
He is only angered when he gives us many chances and we still turn back to our sinful ways.
>atheism and moral relativity
http://carm.org/failure-of-atheism-to-account-for-morality
http://www.paulcopan.com/articles/pdf/God-naturalism-morality.pdf
http://www.equip.org/articles/atheists-and-the-quest-for-objective-morality/
>>712993741
Being Christian doesn't make a person nice
>>712994038
>You're human and thus capable of separating wrong from right
Only if you are taught the difference between wrong and right throughout your life
>>712994417
Can someone write a research on 4Chan, Twitter and Facebook trolling?
>>712994339
I didn't claim to know anything, because unlike atheists I'm aware of the limits of what I know.
Uh, it's the same for religion, functionally what is the difference between prison and hell? You'll go to an argument of omnipresence, that police can fail and god cannot. If that's the case, though, why do any theists commit any crimes? They clearly do, in fact they seem to commit more crimes than atheists rather than less. Maybe presenting them with an all or nothing proposition to reprisal was foolish, maybe a man who believes he is already damned is vastly more dangerous than a man who merely believes he might be able to get away with a given thing.
Actually, forget "maybe", because it's overwhelmingly obvious that's the case. Present a functional difference between your philosophy and that of and a member of ISIS. Do it. Do it now.
>>712994602
Seems more to me like 'god' is little more than a petulant child with anger and insecurity issues.
>>712994414
Spell the fucking CH you degenerate manchild.
Look at all you incredulous fuckers defending yourselves so vehemently. Guilty consciences, guilty consciences everywhere.
You all know full well that without the christian values and morals you grew up with and that the people all around you enforce people would be a lot nastier.
Some people just need to be kept in line by an outside force, because they aren't morally sound. Only consequence will keep them on the right path.
Christians already did all of that, so what's your argument again?
>>712994127
Yes, but the fact that humans also used the immorality (according to the Christian definition of morality) of slavery as a reason for abolishing slavery shows that Christianity enforces morals.
You can also argue that slave owners believed that the Bible protected their right to slavery, but they were discredited and viewed as hypocrites. The slavery in the Bible was not based exclusively on race. People were not enslaved because of their nationality or the color of their skin. In Bible times, slavery was based more on economics; it was a matter of social status.
>>712994180
>a lot of priests rape little boys
>Catholic priests
>>712994184
[Citation needed]
>atheists commit suicide more often
http://www.adherents.com/misc/religion_suicide.html
Obviously such a pessimistic world view (there is no afterlife and no reason for living, so we can do anything we want with our lives) will cause more depression.
The other statement is just an insult
>>712994414
>longhand form
>ignoring that religion has existed before the ancient greeks
Also, being a theist doesn't mean that you don't see the science behind everything in our world.
>>712995015
You mean ch + r. X is simpler, and thus, I'll use it.
>Guilty conscience
I have nothing to feel 'guilty' about, nor do I need to pray to some time-traveling sky-wizard to feel good about anything.
>Christian morals and values shaped you into--
Nope. The Xtians I grew up with turned out to be nothing more than a league of hypocrites and bigots, with their very lifestyles contradicting everything they preach about. Hell, one of my cousins is a GAY PASTOR and has FULL-BLOWN AIDS. He's only kept alive today because he's been given body parts when his own shut down (thank modern medical science) and not paying taxes as being part of a church. Meanwhile, as an adult, I've noticed the most level-headed folks tend to be the least religious, especially my professors to whom I owe a great deal of gratitude [sic] for teaching me about subjects not related to religion.
>some people need to be kept in-line
Then those people aren't really as 'good' as they say they are, are they? It'd rather someone be genuinely kind and thoughtful rather than only pretending to be out of fear of some repercussion if they aren't. As another Anon pointed out, if you need the threat of violence to be 'good,' then you aren't really 'good.'
>>712995268
>Xtianity existed long before the Greeks
No. I'm pretty sure it existed a little after the Common Era, after which a bunch of people in the desert though Jesus was the prophet they had been waiting for. This is what separated the Jews from the Non-Jews.
>being a theist doesn't mean you ignore science
You sure about that? We're talking about a people who, a large chunk of them, honestly believe the earth is flat and the cosmos don't really exist. And don't you dare say, "intelligent design."
>>712994693
>little more than a petulant child with anger issues
What makes you think that?
(or maybe your hatred of God clouds your judgement and causes you to misinterpret his actions)
>picture
Consider what the paradox says in the very first sentence: either God cannot abolish evil or God chooses not to. That's it. It only considers two options; it doesn't consider (for sake of argument) that maybe God is allowing evil or perhaps there's a reason why the evil is there in the first place. I bring this up only because Hume himself (a philosopher atheists love to quote) admitted to the possibility:
"His wisdom is infinite: He is never mistaken in choosing the means to any end: But the course of nature tends not to human or animal felicity: Therefore it is not established for that purpose. Through the whole compass of human knowledge, there are no inferences more certain and infallible than these. In what respect, then, do his benevolence and mercy resemble the benevolence and mercy of men?"
If you're going to call something evil, okay, but you need to establish on what basis something is evil.
Last I checked, man is free to commit evil or good. That is not to say they always make the better choice but this does say at least the choice is there. The paradox doesn't address that.man in the end is responsible for how he treats other people. I don't see how God could even come close to blame in light of this.
>Atheists:
>Incoherently angry since 300 B.C.
>>712994602
>God doesn't know what humans will do in their lives,
God confirmed not being omnipotent.
You're sliding, anon.
>>712995615
>what makes you think that
Because he is often described as a 'jealous god,' and is apparently willing to flood the earth and kill millions over a few who decided to stop kissing his feet.
>picture and free will
But is it really 'free will' if this so-called 'god' already knows what you're going to do, how you're going to do it, how you'll respond to the consequences, and still punish or reward you for it? How is any o fit 'free' if it's already been predetermined? If it's not predetermined, then 'god' is not omnipotent, and thus, not a god.
>angry
I literally have nothing to be upset about here.
>>712988818
oh look its this post again
>>712995977
i have never seen a nickel that shiny
>>712988818
Yes. If I can do it without consequences, I will.
>>712996121
THAT SOUNDS LIKE A YOU-PROBLEM, ANON.
>>712990000
Dat get
>>712995489
>Xtianity existed long before the Greeks
I never said that Christianity existed before the Greeks. I said that "religion" existed before the Greeks.
>people, who, a large chunk of them, honestly believe the earth is flat and the cosmos don't really exist
Perhaps in the dark ages that was the case (due to the culture and lack of science/books in that age). However, in 2016, only conspiracy theorists and hicks believe the things you mentioned.
>Christians I grew up with
>implying that all Christians are like the ones you grew up with
>gay pastor
You speak about degenerate Protestants as if they represent true Christianity. You speak about "level headed folks" yet blast Christianity (the same can be said about your pictures) with intense hatred, thus showing your hypocrisy.
>https://shadowtolight.wordpress.com/2013/07/18/science-shows-new-atheists-to-be-mean-and-closed-minded/
>>712988818
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want?
I have a life, OP. I have my family, and my friends. I have my entertainment. I don't need to do any crimes. I can live my life without thinking/prasing god
>>712996420
>Implying all atheist are degenerate scum
>>712996420
>I never said Xtianity existed before the Greeks
Pretty sure you did, but if not, this is why we need IDs back.
>only conspiracy theorists and hicks believe that
You clearly don't associate with my Xtians on any given day. Grown adults, many twice my age, honestly believing in pic related.
>implying all Xtians are the same as you grew up with
Of course not; that's why I specified that they're the ones *I* grew up with. I'm sure you talk to any other atheist, they can tell you some pretty ridiculous and downright disgusting things they've seen so-called 'good Christians' doing as they've grown up.
>gay pastor is a degenerate Protestant
actually, the one in question is a Baptist, but it doesn't surprise me that Protestants do the same. As do Catholics, as do AME's, as do pretty much any denomination of Xtianity or any dogmatic/Abrahamic faith.
>you blast Xtianity with intense hatred
No, I actually don't. Bringing light to the immense contradictions of the Bible and Xtian-life is not 'hatred,' it's truth. Sorry if it hurts your feelings to learn the myths you were told to believe in don't match reality, and even contradict themselves.
>>712988818
What keeps an religious person from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of hell the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
>>712988818
Fear of the irrational.
>>712988818
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want?
The law, you idiot.
>The fear of reprisal?
Yes.
>Is the fear of prison the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
Yes.
It is because all Humans have a Moral standard.
Do you think the thief WANTS to steal? No, he just wants the money so he can SURVIVE.
>>712988818
what movie is this from?
>>712995771
Let me correct my previous statement. God knows what we will do, but he doesn't do anything to change the course of our lives (he just gives us signs that what we are doing is wrong)
>>712995977
>jealousy
God is speaking of people making idols and bowing down and worshiping those idols instead of giving God the worship that belongs to Him alone. God is possessive of the worship and service that belong to Him. It is a sin (as God points out in this commandment) to worship or serve anything other than God. It is a sin when we desire, or we are envious, or we are jealous of someone because he has something that we do not have. It is a different use of the word “jealous” when God says He is jealous. What He is jealous of belongs to Him; worship and service belong to Him alone, and are to be given to Him alone.
>flood the earth
Because man had become wicked and corrupt (not because they were pagans)
>free will
We have free will and God knows what we will do. When we have to make a decision we ultimately make the decision but, God knows what we will choose. We are not puppets but the director of our lives does know the things we choose. He is not the director of our lives but the observer
>>712988818
What keeps a theist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal after they die? Is the fear of hell the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
>>712997223
>isn't jealous
>wants people to worship him and him alone
>failure to do this will result in eternal punishment
>make your entire life about serving Him, so that you can make your afterlife also about serving Him
How does this not sound like someone with severe insecurity issues? You could replace "Him" with any person's actual name, and it will sound every bit like an abusive relationship.
>kill everyone because they had become wicked and corrupt
If he were truly 'god,' he'd have seen that coming and prevented it.
>free will
Then he shouldn't have killed anyone for what he knew was going to happen anyway as a part of his 'plan.' An 'observer' would do just that: observe, and not punish or reward based on those observations.
>>712997223
>he doesn't do anything to change the course of our lives
The OT would like a word with you, blasphemer.
>>712996801
>Pretty sure you did
Here's what I said:
">ignoring that religion has existed before the ancient greeks"
>you don't associate with my Xtians
Your Xtians are not all Xtians
>gay pastor
Usually all Christian denominations are hypocritical and degenerate. Orthodox Christianity is the oldest version of Christianity, and it has stayed true to its roots.
>bringing light to the immense contradictions
>hurts your feelings to learn the myths
I'm talking about your negative language and insulting pictures/rhetoric.
>>712996826
The fear of committing a sin and thus decreasing your chance of salvation keeps them from crime, as well as the law.
>>712996991
Yes, but the law is not omnipotent.
>>712996782
>implying that degenerate scum = angry
>>712997675
>blasphemer
>>712997877
>Implying all atheist are angry
Oh man the projecting
>>712997877
>the law is not omnipotent.
It doesn't need to be omnipotent, baka.
>>712988818
Morals mostly
>>712988818
No, Murdering and Stealing is wrong, and not to mention illegal. I don't need a book of make-believe to tell me that.
>>712997897
Learn2bible
Morality comes from empathy, not your imaginary friend.
>>712997877
>Yes, but the law is not omnipotent.
It doesn't need to be. As longer as it's stronger than the man, which it is, the man won't be able to "steal and murder all he wants" as you claim.
>>712997877
>here's what I said
But even then, you're implying all religions that predate Xtianity are exactly like Xtianity, or are dogmatic like it. Both of which would be false.
>your Xtians aren't mine
Yet the common thread is that they believe in an omnipotent sky-wizard, and they both have their own collection of myths that can't be backed by anything other than anecdotal belief.
>All Christian denominations are degenerate
>Only be Orthodox
Then you can't be on the computer right now.
>your negative language...anger
Again, sorry if it hurts your feelings, but I'm not going to sugar-coat it just so you can feel better about yourself.
>>712997897
/b/ = /pol/ + s/fur/ + loli
>>712997544
>wants people to worship him
Assuming that God is real, he created humanity. Thus, he deserves to be followed by his creation.
>failure to do this will result in eternal punishment
>implying that God doesn't give you second chances and signs throughout your life
God's will is not to damn you to hell. He gives you chances to redeem yourself, but if you consistently choose to sin, you choose your own fate. If you sin for your entire life, you go to the domain of sin in the afterlife.
>make your entire life about serving him
You make it sound as if he wants us to physically serve him. We can serve him by doing good deeds and praying
>he'd have prevented it
No, he wouldn't have, because that would violate our free will
>observe
He doesn't punish or observe; he allows us to choose for ourselves (if we choose bad he will give us indications that we are on the road to hell; to not do that would imply that he does not care about our fate).
He never "planned" anything. He knew it would happened, he gave humanity chances, but it happened anyway.
>>712998194
>Learn2bible
Why would I need to read a book that makes your god look like he has a personallity when in reality with all the "omni" titles he has. He would just be the universe and guess what the universe can talk to us but not through delusion.
>>712998330
>/b/ = /pol/ + s/fur/ + loli
/b/ = 1/2/pol/ +s/fur/ + loli
>>712998003
Then it can't prevent all immorality
>>712997938
>implying that all atheists are angry
>all =/= most
>>712998265
Yes, but the law can't control that which it doesn't see (pedophilia and murder can happen behind closed doors)
>>712998299
>I'm implying that all religions that predate Xtianity are exactly like Xtianity
What you think I meant to say is different from what I actually said. I said "religion", as in "theism".
>your Xtians aren't mine
The Christians you've met do not represent the entire face of Christianity.
>can't be backed by anything
>Kalam Cosmological Argument
>Anthropic Principle
>no evidence for a multiverse
>miracles
>fulfilled predictions in the scriptures
>the fact that nothing can't explode
>the fact that life can't come from a lack of life
>you can't be on the computer right now
Says who?
>sorry if it hurts my feelings
It doesn't hurt my feelings. I just felt the need to protect my religion
>>712998511
>assuming
Ah, and that's where you should have stopped. If you base your life on an assumption, you should probably reevaluate your real reason for living as you do: because you are genuinely 'good' and want what's best for people, or you've been told to think you should want what's best for people so you don't suffer for all eternity.
>god gives you a chance to avoid hell
Think about this for a second: if god is as benevolent and powerful as he supposedly is, why would he create anything that could rival him or potentially take away followers? Why would he allow a place where suffering is rampant to exist if it weren't all purely for his amusement? If I were all-powerful, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't create someone equal in power/influence to me, or otherwise allow competition if metaphorical ants worshiping me were truly *that* important.
>we can serve him by doing good deeds
Which harks back to an earlier question: why would you need the notion of some ominpotent being or the threat of eternal 'damnation' just to do what's right? If you do, you're not as 'good' as you say you are.
>he wouldn't have, or it would have violated free will
Again, ask yourself what 'free will' really is if everything is already known and predetermined. Also, it would have been his own free will violated, not the illusion of ours.
>he doesn't punish
Yet he apparently flooded the planet because, as you said, "they had all become corrupt and wicked." That's not something a mere spectator does.
>he never planned anything...knew it would happen...gave chances
What's the point of giving chances if you already know what's going to happen? Again, it sounds like he's just being selfish and we're being used as characters in a game if that's the case.
>>712999228
>it can't prevent all immorality
Well stop trying to control immorality, you idiot. There will always be good and bad no matter what you do.
>>712999228
>Implying most are mad
>Getting most of his info from the media
Good goy
>>712999228
>'religion' as in 'theism'
And again, you can't say that all religion is theistic. You certainly can't say that all religion that *is* theistic is also dogmatic. False equivalence.
>The Xtians you met don't represent all Xtians
I've already said I'm aware of this, but you seem more than willing to bundle all atheists into one box and wrap it with a neat bow.
>who says I can't be on the computer?
Says Orthodox Xtianity. In fact, there are many things you're not supposed to do, but I'll bet you do anyway and alter your interpretation of them so it will fit your narrative/lifestyle.
>I just need to protect my religion
No one's attacking it. Perhaps if you feel otherwise, you shouldn't go around telling everyone about it and condemning those of us without religion, unless you're prepared to deal with the backlash.
And before you say it,
>Freedom of speech !== freedom from consequence
>>712997877
>The fear of committing a sin and thus decreasing your chance of salvation keeps them from crime, as well as the law.
Not really, you can murder all you want and then just ask for forgiveness. The law is the only thing actually keeping people from killing each other. Even God himself doesn't do that, he lets you do whatever you want and only punishes you after you die, so who's the real crime fighter here?
>Yes, but the law is not omnipotent.
What the fuck? That's the most retarded argument I've ever heard. The law doesn't need to be omnipotent to stop people from committing crimes, people aren't gods.
Welcome to 4chan, on this board you may find: B8ting and Cunts.
Personally i don't give a shit about any of your bullshit here, anyone. But i will recommend both Blargsnarf and Shadman as great artist that produce art for all ages.
>>712999886
>so who's the real crime fighter here?
No one
>>712988818
>those with no moral compass?
Right there is your mistake. It is precisely because those who have moral compasses live good, ethical lives. This is independent of religious stance.
P.S. You're an idiot.
>>713000366
What are you talking about? It's a rhetorical question. The law is clearly more of a crime fighter than God, because the law doesn't let you murder and steal all you want and only punish you after you've already done the damage and died.
>>713001043
>died.
When you die, you die. There's no eternal punishment there's only void.
>>713001361
>There's no eternal punishment there's only void.
Be sure to pass this finding along to the Catholic and Christian church. Better let the Muslims know, too.
>>713001496
I'd rather let them live in their delusions, anon. Sense we do have the 1st amendment they can believe in whatever they want. I don't hate religions but they hate me for obvious reasons.
>>712999228
>Yes, but the law can't control that which it doesn't see (pedophilia and murder can happen behind closed doors)
Just because the law doesn't prevent every single crime, doesn't mean it's not stopping and discouraging people from murdering and stealing. You really underestimate how hard it is to get away with murder. Besides, who's really the best at stopping crimes? The law, which punishes you as soon as you commit a crime with a 0,0001% chance of getting away with it? Or God, who doesn't stop any crime whatsoever but has a 100% chance of punishing you after you die unless you ask for forgiveness? If the law didn't exact, there is literally nothing stopping criminals from committing crimes.
>>713001361
I wasn't saying there's an afterlife, you fucking retard. I was saying that hypothetically, if hell and God existed, that the law would be a much better crime fighter than God ever would. So saying "hurr, there is nothing stopping atheists from murdering, durrrrr" is absolutely retarded.
>>712999677
>'religion' as in 'theism'
I'm sure I can't say that; let's focus less on terminology and more on what I said.
>>The Xtians you met don't represent all Xtians
I never bundled all atheists into a box. I merely provided data to make a point. I know that there are good atheists
As an Orthodox Christian, nobody within my church has said I can't go on the computer. Just because I'm not supposed to do them doesn't mean I can't do them; it just means that I try to not do them
>I need to protect my religion
I am not OP, I merely responded to your post
>>712999886
If he did something there wouldn't be free will. Otherwise, he does fight crime because criminals receive their punishment after death
>the law doesn't need to be omnipotent
To truly keep people from being immoral and stop all crime (because you say it is what keeps people from crime) it needs to be omnipotent.
>>713002314
>if hell and God existed, that the law would be a much better crime fighter than God ever would
They already are. Try not to control thought, anon. It makes you look like a faggot. Let people be pedophiles I'm sure one day they might get caught unless they are feeding their urges through Hentai.
>So saying "hurr, there is nothing stopping atheists from murdering, durrrrr" is absolutely retarded.
Nice assumption. I never said that. I was only saying I don't believe in your afterlife to get you salty and bite my hook.
>>712988818
>no moral compass
You don't need Religion to be a nice person.
If you can't be nice, you lack Empathy.
>>713002508
>To truly keep people from being immoral and stop all crime (because you say it is what keeps people from crime) it needs to be omnipotent.
Fuck your thought control. To each their own, faggot. But that is some seriously dangerous thinking you got there.
>>712988818
I don't understand the hatred towards atheism, from my point of view its just not believing in a god. Or am I wrong?
>>713002704
>They already are. Try not to control thought, anon. It makes you look like a faggot. Let people be pedophiles I'm sure one day they might get caught unless they are feeding their urges through Hentai.
They already are what? And pedophiles? What the fuck are you talking about? None of what you wrote made any sense, are you sure you replied to the right person? If you're claiming that the law doesn't stop pedos, then you're retarded and wrong because last time I checked, child molestation is illegal.
>Nice assumption. I never said that. I was only saying I don't believe in your afterlife to get you salty and bite my hook.
Are you literally this retarded? Learn how to read, you dumb fuck. First of all, I never even said there is an afterlife, so how can I be "salty" that you don't believe in one? I don't give a shit. Secondly, I never said that you claim nothing stops atheists from murdering, I wasn't even talking to your dumb ass in the first place. It was an argument for OP.
>>713003708
>Are you literally this retarded? Learn how to read, you dumb fuck. First of all, I never even said there is an afterlife, so how can I be "salty" that you don't believe in one? I don't give a shit. Secondly, I never said that you claim nothing stops atheists from murdering, I wasn't even talking to your dumb ass in the first place. It was an argument for OP.
I'm just posting to get (you) triggered, faggot. Seems like it's working.
>>713003886
Pretending to be retarded doesn't make you any less of a retard or faggot.
>>713004221
Whatever you say, fam
>>713004221
It's called shitposting you should already know this, fam
>>713004221
>Pretending to be retarded doesn't make you any less of a retard or faggot.
>Pretending
>>713004221
Have all these (You)s the thread is dead anyways
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>>713002508
>If he did something there wouldn't be free will. Otherwise, he does fight crime because criminals receive their punishment after death
If the police only arrested you on your deathbed, you think that would stop criminals from committing crimes? No, it wouldn't make a difference, it would be as if the police were never there in the first place.
>To truly keep people from being immoral and stop all crime (because you say it is what keeps people from crime) it needs to be omnipotent.
Yes, but here is the thing. God doesn't stop all crimes either, in fact, he doesn't even stop a single crime, and you can get pardoned for all your crimes by simply asking for forgiveness, so how the hell is he better at fighting crime than the law which actually prevents people from doing them? The law may stop every single crime, but it's still a million times better at doing it than God.
>>713002508
>If he did something there wouldn't be free will.
If sending people to hell doesn't count as violating their free will, then why would it violate people's free will if God punished them as soon as/right before they committed a sin? Your logic makes no sense.
Ignores arguments he can't counter. Shitposting is one thing, dishonorable shitposting is another.
The alt-right belongs to atheists now, there's no space in the fight against degeneracy for something as degenerate as religion.
>>713005429
You could be sound either
>>712991460
You do it everyday
>>712992595
Wrong
>>712991614
third most powerful position in the world*
FIFY
>>712991614
Actually the american presidents mainly worship the american civil religion.
>>712991614
The President of the United States isn't powerful at all, the Jewish puppeteers behind him are.
>>712988818
I mean sure, if you think that everyone is incapable of empathy. I would guess that a fair number of people don't commit those acts because they can imagine how it would feel to be the victim.
Because atheists are a new wave of unbelievers.
Corinthians 4:4 says so my child
Nyup nya nyaaaaa
>What keeps an atheist from murdering and stealing all they want?
I do murder and steal all I want, which is none. I'm not a piece of shit who would do those things if it weren't for some old book telling them not to.
>>713005992
>ackshully
>>713009081
>both groups hate Jews, must be exactly same!
>>712988818
Gr8 b8 m8 i r8 0 of 8
>>713009081
Since when did the alt-right ever support monarchy?
>>713009608
>that's their only similarity!
It's no coincidence that Hitler loved Muslims and respected Muhammad.
>>713009756
They reject the modern state (cuz it's all run by jooz) and want things to go back to the way it was in "Old Europe."
>King is descended from Heaven and chosen by God
>>713009872
>that's their only similarity!
It's the only one you listed aside from traditionalism.
>two similarities, totally must be the same thing!
>>713010419
>it's the only one you listed
Read the list again, this time slowly and more carefully.
>>713009872
>It's no coincidence that Hitler loved Muslims and respected Muhammad.
So alt-right = Nazis? Libtard detected.
>>713010667
>Hates Israel.
Antisemitism.
>Thinks Jews control the world through banking.
Antisemitism.
>Believes Marriage is a heterosexual union.
Traditionalism.
>Believe women shouldn't have equal rights to men.
Traditionalism.
>Believe husbands should work and provide while their wives stay at home
Traditionalism.
>Reject the Old Testament for being written by Jews.
Antisemitism.
>Opposed to other cultures integrating.
Traditionalism.
>Want a return to the Monarchy.
Traditionalism.
>Against immigration and don't want to help Syrian refugees.
Traditionalism.
>Believes the West is full of degeneracy and should take on traditional values
Traditionalism.
Yup, that's two similarities.
>>713010756
>It's alright, we're not Nazis
Morons.
Also, I'm a moderate. Unsurprising you'd use 'liberal' as an insult.
>>713011757
>it's alright, I'm not a liberal.
Moron.
Also, I'm a moderate too. Unsurprising you'd use 'Nazi' as an insult.
>>713012134
At no point did I even utter the word
>Nazi
>>712988818
>What keeps a theist from murdering and stealing all they want? The fear of reprisal? Is the fear of hell the only thing preventing an utter breakdown of society by those with no moral compass?
>>713009872
>They reject the modern state (cuz it's all run by jooz) and want things to go back to the way it was in "Old Europe."
>implying being a traditionalist means you want a dictatorship and a theocratic absolute monarchy.
Retard detected.
>>713012504
>calling others retards because he doesn't fully understand the alt-right's extremist platform
k bro, 'deus vult'
>>713012230
Yes, because saying "It's no coincidence that Hitler loved Muslims and respected Muhammad." isn't calling them Nazis.
>>713012504
>Retard detected.
Butthurt alt-righter detected
>>713012792
It literally isn't. It's stating a fact.
>bear in mind that there were Muslims serving in Hitler's military.
>>713012641
>calling others retards for "not fully understanding the alt-right's extremist platform"
>doesn't know shit about the alt-right himself
k bro, 'die cis scum'
>>713012792
>"It's no coincidence that Hitler loved Muslims and respected Muhammad." isn't calling them Nazis.
It's calling them Muslims, t. retard
>>713013075
>cis scum
So glad you said that, because....
>
>>713012915
>can't refuse it so he has to resort to insults.
>>713013107
It's calling them both Muslims and Nazis, both of which they aren't. t. retard.
>>713013333
>Checked
The nazis were nazis, t. blackus knight
>>712988818
>implying invisible man believers have the monopoly on morality
So is OP saying that the only thing keeping him from killing and raping is god?
>>712988818
The pointer on my moral compass is my twitching, rock-hard penis. Whenever I even think of that beautiful face it swings right around and unerringly forces its way past those luscious lips and back into her slender throat as she cries out and gasps for air. I navigate my way past her tonsils as I skull fuck her and then sail on to shoot gob after gob of sticky sperm over her eyes and nose and hair. My next voyage will surely be to eat her delicious and youthful pussy, which she has begun to really enjoy
>>713013182
And you're showing me this why? It's a biased strawman chart just like the last one. All ideologies have some similarities. You're acting as if this is weird. And 'deus vult'? Firstly, alt-righters aren't extremist Christians. Secondly, SJWs and extremist Christians have similarities too. So what? It doesn't prove anything, you idiot.
>>713013333
>(((Implying I care what I get called)))
>>712992953
I'm 30, atheist, married and gainfully employed. You'll give me a troll answer I won't give a shit about, because I'm not a beta troll heavily breathing through giggles at my "master baiting." Enjoy death by feline dander asphyxiation, faggot.
>>713012394
i win
god disproved again
>>712988818
Thank God (pun!) I live in Europe, where being atheist is considered normal, and being religious is kind of quirky
>>713014208
r u norwegian?
>>713014208
>Europe, where being atheist is considered normal
Yes, because being an atheist is totally considered normal in an Islamic caliphate.
>>713014469
>an Islamic caliphate
>Assumion
>>713014356
r u gay
>>713014098
Kys degenerate scum
>>713014675
Europe is an Islamic caliphate. Just look at Germany, the UK, France and Sweden.
>>713012641
Kek Vult, faggot
>>713014742
this isnt even a question, u nigggot
>>713014962
>look at Germany, the UK, France and Sweden
Wait doesn't sweed get hate for being so much atheistic there? You know that taking what i post sersourly on this thread makes me Kekle at your dismay.
>>713009081
Hahaha, jesus. You know you can't just make shit up, right? Good lord, he doesn't even know about the awoo guard dogs. Your perception of /pol/ as genuine fascists is equivalent to looking at a camo-patterned tarp from a helicopter and believing it's just another patch of forest. You'll believe they're "nazis" right up until the very end when they purge your bloated boomer overlords from even the darkest corners of university culture. Good lord, we're actually getting away with it, the awoos will safeguard the core of our culture from people like this idiot for years to come.
>>713015060
so u r a faggot. good to know, nigger
>>713015114
I know man good shit. Let's take down the already fallen sjws. We so cool n' sheeeiiiit
>>713015112
>Wait doesn't sweed get hate for being so much atheistic there?
No, why would anyone care if a country is atheistic? Sweden gets hate because their cucked socialist government and prime minister is letting Muslims ruin and islamize their country.
>needing some book to have a 'moral compass'
k
>>713015176
oh, so u r a nigggot with delusions. Seek professional help
I've noticed that all your arguments are the same tired old bs that have been refuted over and over a thousand times and you just keep on ignoring that. Why don't you look up St Anselm and try to base one of these on that? He's something of the newest thing in this field as most people, atheist or religious have no idea what he's talking about so he "baffles them with bullshit," and "bamboozles with booblry," or something
>>713014675
Yes, Europe totally isn't an Islamic state. No, siree! Everyone is 100% atheist here.
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>>713014823
Kekkles. Stay mad, white boi.
>>713015847
Kys nigglet
>>713015638
Seek help down at that CP house, Carl
>>713015828
Idc. I'm right your wrong
>>713015512
/pol/ cares you dumbass
>>713016211
Thoroughly enjoying this, my African b/rother. Please, sir, may I have some more?
>>713016370
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>>713016490
Mmmm, tasty.
>>712988818
>Religion = morality
Kek. No.
>>713016559
Give me your white women, white boi. They were made for our cocks not yours.
Religion is stupid you fucking cucks if you have to believe in a higher power to get by in life then your fucking insane
>>713016799
It does though. Unless you have a baseline for it, morality is 100% subjective.
>>713015444
Good "trolling" and all, but don't worry my cuck friend because there is much yet left to purge. We're not done until the genuinely post-racial, post-sexual society of pure merit becomes a reality. By the time we're done identity politics will be seen as the base, ugly, divisive trash it really is the world over. In a society of pure merit there will be no quotas, no affirmative action and no welfare.
The only question is about the nature of the catalyst event. What do you think, mass starvation or viral disease?
>>713016900
>morality is 100% subjective
Based Fact
>>713016800
Sigh. You're right. Where should I ship her, overlord Kong?
>>713016970
>viral disease
This one, my good man
>>713016364
No, they don't, you dumbass. Otherwise, they'd be hating on Finland, Estonia and Czech Republic too, but instead they praise them for being one of the few European countries that aren't Islamic or total shitholes. /pol/ has already been mostly atheist, you fucking moron, before 2014 they were always talking shit about Christians and calling them "moralfags", now they're talking shit about SJWs because they're the big thing right now.
>>712988818
Just because you don't follow religion doesn't mean you don't have morals. Plus, random acts of theft and murder is asking for someone to do the same to you in the end. I'm not religious but I do believe in karma.
>>712988818
who says we don't rape, kill and rob all we want? Maybe we don't get caught. Oh by the way, I'm a Christian Minister
>>713017027
Ship her over to Africa, you fucking disgrace to the black race. Let your family also get rape by us, man.
>>713017200
Man you take my jokes to serious. Just chill, just chill.
>>713016900
If it's true that religion is the reason people are moral, then everyone is scum. They should be moral because it's human nature. If they are doing it because of the fear of god, then that person is a truly rotten human being. And thier moral compass has been destroyed.
>>713017270
Well. My mom is ashes, mi'lord. And I'll have to gather all her urns. My sister has had a hysterectomy, so she can't sire for you. The rest are male. What are your wishes, oh inflated one?
>>713017627
Forget faggot we just gonna kill the rest of your family and shieeeettt and make you into a real life white bat man
>>713016900
Morality is biologically derived and the fairy tales you tell yourself about that are one of the only things capable of making it seem subjective. Moral relativism is a leftist cancer, morals aren't relative because people aren't different, in fact, humans experienced a genetic bottleneck around 50,000 years ago that reduced their population to around 10,000 individuals, we're one of the least genetically diverse species on earth.
All religions will lead to ISIS-like behavior if given the same stimulus as ISIS itself. It's like you're trying to tell me a tornado is "angry" instead of the result of low air pressure.
Remember, the secret is to bang the rocks together.
>>713017261
>Oh by the way, I'm a Christian Minister
Yeah sure, and I'm the Queen of England.
>>713018122
M' Lady
>>713017105
You know, probably, the virus problem is a lot harder than the food problem. People will produce and eat "frankenfood" if they get hungry enough.
>>713018526
>the virus problem is a lot harder than the food problem
Oh no you can just simply get way with poisoning people and frakenfood can count as both options.
>>713017382
Sorry, I shouldn't have expected anything on /b/ to be serious.
If belief in god makes people better then why are most of the really crawling evil fucks who I won't insult reptiles by by calling them snakes so goddam religious. I once worked for a guy who specialized in cheating little old ladies out of their life savings because they needed their houses repaired and he was always singing the loudest every Sunday and telling me the devil was on my shoulder while he charged some poor old woman $1100 for replacing a fuse. Fuck all religious assholes. I knew this one guy used to drive around with "PSALMS" on his license plate. When the Feds caught up with him for cheating nearly everyone in his congregation out of every penny they had to support his gambling, sex and drug habits he told them it was because God had told him to take all these people's money so as to save them from sin and then commit the sin himself as a sort of lightning rod for evil. He honestly and truly believed that too.
