A curious question for the Atheist of 4Chan. I'll hear
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Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
A curious question for the Atheist of 4Chan.
I'll hear some of you guys and gals say stuff like..
>Well the reason i'm an Atheist is because being an Atheist is based on Science while being a Christian is based on Faith
Like yea.. i get it i really do.. I mean where we're you when the Earth was created by god..? No where i'm pretty sure... but where we're you when a Reptile turned into a Mammal?.. so in that regard you are putting in Faith in something you didn't see happen.
And to add to all of this.. How did the Bible know the Earth was round and floated upon nothing before any modern man? And how did the Bible know the Ocean contains springs before any modern man? And how did the Bible know that the wind blows in cyclones before any modern man..? Etc.. Etc.. Etc .
>Pic related
And when you really think about it... the BigBang came from nothing... It just supposedly happened all by it's self.. what makes more sense to you..
The BigBang came from nothing.. or the BigBang come from someone? (If that even is how God went about creating the Universe)
Cause and effect.
And before you say then How did God get here..? who created Him? Think of it like this..
He has always been here before anything existed, he was the nothing, he was the void, he was the Alpha and the Omega.
But to avoid this comment from getting to long... i ask you... why are you an Atheist..? Please let this be a friendly thread.. not one full of arguing and nonsense.
>>712867760
It's not bait my friend. Just a friendly question
I...
I completly agree with you. I think, we can bit even say, that earth is sphere, because noone of as seen it from the space exept of spaceman. Etc
Sorry for my english, i am from Russia
It is true for those examples, but as soon, as we find anything false, you'll hide behind a metaphor.
>>712868279
can bit
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shitty troll post, but decided to look up the very
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and this'll still end up in your uncles email inbox next week
>>712867601
I am an agnostic because there no proof for god's existence. And even if it was god, then why should it be YOUR god? For instance, i can think, that everything was created by The Flying Spaghetti Monster, and you couldn't prove it wasn't without faith.
>>712867601
Too many reasons to list , but biggest reason is religion is obviously used to control people.
>>712868586
This was a question pointed towards Atheist, not other people of Faith.
That would be a whole different Conversation/Thread on it's own.
>>712868687
Control? And who's Religion are you talking about? There any many Religion's on this Earth.. Some Religions guide others.. while others use it as a form of control.. like perhaps Isis or some kinda cult *Shrugs*
Religion is used to control people. Christianity specifically is the biggest and most ingenious scam of all time. You go give you're time and way of life to a god you can't see, then hand him your hard earned money for doing literally nothing.
>>712868902
When you say Religion that's a very wide array, there any many Religions, can you be more specific?
>>712868714
But what I'm saying is, that I can think of whatever I want instead of god. For instance, I think, that the big bang is the continuous event, and always was. I can believe it is, I can even calculate it is.
>>712869016
I think he means every religion except Christianity and he's right. Religion has been used to manipulate people to turn their backs of God and worship false idols.
>>712868833
You are right there are many religions that are basically just stories to explain stuff. But if thinking about your religion consumes a large portion of your day it is controlling you
>>712869016
All of them idiot
>>712869155
Oh ok, i see what you mean, i agree, when we getting into the topic of "Gods" it can be confusing.
But i still stand with what i previously say.
This thread is more aimed at Atheist or people who believe there is nothing out there.
What you're talking about it the possibility of other God's.
And it would truly be a whole conversation/Thread on it's own, something like that can't be answered in a comment, i'd hit the Text limit ages ago if i did. haha
>>712867601
Science is provable and testable. That's how it works and how we understand things like evolution. The same is not true for the Bible, or at least most of the things in it that are testable have been proven false. E.g. age of the earth.
>>712869312
Except Christianity, gotcha!
I absolutely agree with you, so many people have used religions like Islam or Atheism for political gain rather than to guide people towards the teachings of Christ. It has shown how easily brainwashed some people are.
>>712869494
Scientific theories have mostly been proven by using the Bible. Unless you're saying all scientists are idiots, you have to respect the word of God.
>>712869522
praise kek or GTFO
>>712867601
Q. Why didn't imaginary yahweh pull another mud+magic=Adam trick to make himself a jesus... instead of sending his pet rape-ghost to fuck a jesus into some poor carpenter's young wife?
Your mythology makes no sense...
>>712869619
>proven by using the bible
Nice bait
>>712869439
I'm pretty sure I could disprove all your arguments with logic, that is similar to what I used before
>>712867601
>"...arguing and nonsense..."
Like all that shit in the bible?
>>712869619
No theories were proven by the bible since the beginning of renaissance
>>712869312
Idiot? resorting to ad hominem attacks?..
Very well.
But that's very incorrect when you say "All of them"
Some guide others towards God, helping them understand, and then there is other cult like groups who try to TRULY control others.. and i mean truly control people such as The Jonestown Massacre.
I could provide a link to the story if you're not familiar.
But i wouldn't say the majority of Religions control people.. And even if they where controlling people.. what would be there purpose for doing so..? To get rich...? or to have an evil army of the people who serve God..?
Atheism is generally just a product of fear of unkown.
Instead of using philosophy and psychology in order to explain what's beyond what we can really understand. They deny the existence of everything that cannot be measured or explained.
Effectively confining themselves into tiny little box they feel safe.
You can believe in your personal life whatever you want, but completely refusing the existence of god and afterlife would mean, you're just meaningless pile of flesh without any purpose in life.
>>712869881
Correction... ever.
Every time the bible has been fact-checked it has failed with a capital F.
>>712867601
stopped reading after the earth is flat, never held as serious theory by anyone credible
>>712869791
Explain your self please.
>>712870006
...said the Pope from his solid gold chair, while trying to start another Crusade.
>>712870038
Okay tell me what you think your purpose in life is?
>>712869686
What..? Can you smooth out what you're trying to say? It's kinda all jumbled up with curse words and poor editing.
>>712867601
Firstly, you clearly haven't actually read half those bible quotes.
Second:
>The big bang came from nothing
If you don't know what the big bang theory actually states, then don't start trying to disprove it.
Not worth my time explaining anything further. Since this is probably bate and even if it's not.
>>712870120
Which 'nonsense' in your bible were you intending to use to refute my last post which reached you via a fiber-optic cable and a satellite link using a communications device that relies on an understanding of quantum mechanics for its electronics to work?
>>712870235
I was never on the catholics side of teaching, i would agree they are the more scum of the religious groups, that being said, please don't assume every religion is the same, just because one is faulty and says retarded shit don't assume all the others will say the same thing or do the same thing.
>>712870349
It's in English, sonny.
Try harder, fucker.
>>712870466
Nah dude god is sending you these packets
>>712867601
Pretty sure this is bait but here is some food for thought.
Consider this: tracing the origins of the universe we get to the big bang. But who created the big bang? God? But God is someone who is only known after mankind is made, or at least I consider it this way. Hence what came first? God or universe? Can God exist outside the universe?
>>712870411
It's not bait, and i understand where you are coming from, but why would you assume the BigBang came from nothing..? Wouldn't it be more logical that someone was behind it all?
You do believe in cause and effect, right..?
>>712870555
Sonny?
God doesn't exist or can't interfere in our lives,
because no n-dimension existence can't interfere the 3rd dimension, except n=3.
In 3 dimensions we monitor everything physical that has effect on earth and our lives.
That means, God is an idea. But an idea of god, to be true, should be proven and believed by all. That, as you know, is not the case.
Come on, argue
>>712870527
But you're in the right FanClub4jesus?
Not like those filthy heathens who are sure to burn in the magic fire for eating shellfish and wearing diverse fabrics... as the Lord thy god demands in his book of fables?
I follow the idea of Murphy's law, where everything is possible, it may be unlikely to an impossibly small fraction, but it's possible. Like god, there's virtually no chance he exists, but it's 0ossuble, so I choose not to believe in a near impossibility.
>>712867601
>saved in my ylyl dir
also nice b8
>>712870617
Heaven existed before the physical realm.
Also this is just pure speculation on my end.. but perhaps Heaven is parallel to our physical realm.
>>712870650
Who says quantum mechanics is based on cause and effect?
>>712869686
What would happen to those guys legally if they smacked that bird down to the ground with their book? I mean I read that story that bird was trained to attack
>>712870773
I agree, but since it makes absolutely no difference in my life there is no point taking up a religion
>>712870758
Nope, i also don't believe Jesus is god.. for anyone who reads there Bible would not assume that.
Also i'm not sure if you're trying to troll or actually have a conversation with me *Shrugs*
>>712870773
There is no infinitely small fractions. An infintesimal is used to explain some ideas, but doesn't exist, just as the complex numbers, besides it's not a number
>>712870905
So you base your life on a speculation there's no evidence for... unlike we who based our lives on what can be shown by demonstrable, repeatable evidence to be existent and true?
Nice going... do you ride a pixie to work or a unicorn?
>>712867601
First of all, your picture is retarded. I am not even going to comment on the failure of a attempt to discredit science.
Evolution isn't about lizard > mammal. Its about the smallest form of life changing over billions of years from bacteria to w/e the fuck it is now. The life entities may have not even been from this planet to begin with back when the earth was formed. Evolution isn't view able right now like your simple mind would like. You will never see a species of lizard evolve into a snake in your lifetime. Huge chabges take 30+ thousand years. You can see beaks of birds and the foot structure in animals change. If a area is getting colder, the offspring with more hair or where able to handle cooler temperatures will thrive and over the course of a 1000 years you will see a slightly furry animal get a coat of fur.
No one knows how the "Big Bang" happened or even if its true. It is a scientific theory with many door ways. This is how science works, you figure shit out. You don't just point at a book and close your eyes and "embrace god". That doesn't cure cancer, or complete organ transplants.
I am agnostic and i lean closer to atheism than god. I will say this though. You can't prove their is or isn't a god. So don't even argue about it. Let the people who want to praise the lord do so and let the people who wants to ask questions and figure shit out do so in peace.
At the end of the day, all current religion will be part of the Mythology class people will be taking in space college 400 years from now.
>>712870915
Are you putting faith into something you don't know much about? If so please explain to me how quantum mechanics work? lol
>>712871178
You are quick to tell me how wrong i am, but you aren't really explaining how i'm wrong.
Expand beyond insults, i believe in you.
Also i base a lot of my reasoning on Faith.. NOTE: i do not use Blind faith, for with faith comes knowledge, and knowledge comes fist my friend.
>>712871106
It's not as if I consider you to be human so what does your opinion matter anyhow.... tomorrow I'll still be pushing forward the technoligical boundaries for Mankind in the 21st century and you'll be expressing your mental-illness by talking to your imaginary friend and expecting magic to work for you...
I did not directly observe the creation of earth, or a lizard evolving into a new species, however, unlike with Christianity, there is scientific evidence that points to how and why these things happened. I choose not to believe in God because I see no evidence for his existence outside of the Bible, while I can see evidence for many scientific theories being correct.
Even in the Big Bang Theory, the bang itself didn't come from nowhere, but this is an area if science that we simply don't know much about yet. For me, science is more fulfilling than religion because there's always something new to discover, always a new challenge to overcome, rather than simply accepting something for what it is.
Maybe a god was responsible for the spark that created the universe! Maybe we'll find evidence out there that points to one. We simply don't know right now, and that is very exciting.
Hope this helps, OP
>>712871414
All insults but no reasoning... howwwww typical of 4Channers.
>>712871226
I don't work in a circus.
It's not my job to train animals to do tricks... like teaching you to use a Web browser.
You can learn that all on your own, primitive.
Enjoy...
>>712869254
>You are right there are many sciences that are basically just stories to explain stuff. But if thinking about science consumes a large portion of your day it is controlling you.
Fixed.
lol?
>>712867601
But, Isaiah 40:22 says the Earth is a circle.
And Eratosthenes died in 194 BCE, so Science then should be updated to say The Earth Is A Sphere.
>>712871408
It ain't my job to educate you in the finer points of science in the 21st century.
Pssst! That would kinda be your job.
>>712871627
Well you brought it up in a form of conversation, i figured you'd know a thing or two about "Quantum Mechanics" if you where going to use against me.
Man you people are something.
>>712867601
>BigBang
>It's self
>random capitalisation
kys
>>712870045
This is false.
Everything the bible says has been proven true by independent verification.
>>712871684
Underrated post
>>712871745
You have no finer points to "share", only insults.
>>712871745
Go and read about it yourself.
If 7yrs of public education couldn't help you figure out why we have planes and submarines and Moses didn't and why never once did Jesus get an email from his office... I doubt I will in a couple /b/ posts....
>>712869254
My religion commands that i am knowledgeable of the Bible and honest and good hearted, and it really doesn't consume my life either, I have a job and friends like very other typical person who's walking about this Earth.
And perhaps this is a bit unfair, but People play video games all day sometimes, is that a form of controlling as well?
>>712871796
Where?
Just in your head or over where the normal humans hang out?
Why do you folks always resort to #lying4jesus?
>>712871761
I do.
It's not my job to teach you about it.
It's your job to go learn about it.
Go.
Return when clue acquired.
>>712871888
Since you're a source of entertainment for the normal humans, of course.
>>712872335
So you're to lazy in other words to explain how i'm wrong?.. so you tell me
>Go look it up because trust me your wrong..
>>712872234
I work.
I design Machine Intelligences.
What good are you to Humankind?
Other than as an entertaining interlude for the humans, are you going to be a source of biogas and fertiliser after you're liquidised or do you intend to leave a mark... other than in your undergarments?
>>712871684
Except there is no single book callled THE SCIENCE which contains all of the definite teachings of science. People publish their findings and you can collect data yourself to see if you agree.
>>712872437
You're sad, you can't prove me wrong, so you throw insults my way, you know who also throws insults my way when they know they're wrong?
>Children
>>712872335
Do you imagine it can be explained in three sentences?
How good are your math skills, bwa?
>>712867601
>Well the reason i'm an Atheist is because being an Atheist is based on Science while being a Christian is based on Faith
This right here is retarded, science should not bring you to the conclusion of there not being a god, logical thinking should. Personally I stand on a middle ground of denying a particular god, but don't completely scrap the idea of there being some form of god/deity. I'm not agnostic, I'm not an atheist, and the only time I was either one of those was when I was going through my edgy high school experience years and years ago.
Also those quotes from the bible you have in the photo, I simply googled them and got no clear answer to them being true. Even if they are, the words and meanings seem to be warped to modern day thinking which is done by the church, slowly adapting to the world around it.
>BigBang
Well the Big-bang is simply understood if you just ride on the basis of how the possibility of it happening is quite high due to the fact it's observable in action today.
Understanding anymore about it, good luck. You would have to study all your life to understand a fraction of it. It's like Quantum Physics, if you say you entirely understand it, you're retarded. If you say you understand the Big-Bang entirely, you're half retarded.
I'm not reading everything you said, just scanning through it and the last point you make is
>And before you say then How did God get here..? who created Him? Think of it like this..
To then you give the answer the church like to regurgitate.
And before you say then How did Jamal the Jamaican dancer get here..? who created Him? Think of it like this..
This works for everything, and even the Big-Bang! How did the Big-Bang get there?
Oh. It has always been there repeating the same process over and over. Either way, you shouldn't be religious, you shouldn't be anti-religion and you definitely don't have the answers for either things so let's just drop it.
>>712872559
Do you imagine it can be explained in three sentences?
LOL
How good are your math skills?
>>712872782
What did you expect?
Converts?
To have your ridiculous god bullshit taken seriously among the normal humans?
Are you retarded or just mentally-ill?
>>712872892
>>712873044
Well that was an epic fail, you shit posted so hard you linked the wrong person, good job.
>>712873234
fuck you you piece of shit
>>712873234
To my own post no less...
These fucking godders make even smart folks frustrated to the point of erring.
Can't wait until we start to dispose of them.
Who created god mah nigga
>>712873279
Are you new here?
Either that or someone is on the edge tonight. Cheer up anon, don't be a faggot.
>>712873186
I'v been answering my questions, taking the time to read and share my knowledge with others, while here you come along telling me that I'M wrong without even proving good a good explanation.
I'm here to listen to any reasoning, but you've provided none what so ever.
>>712872234
Religions can teach good morals. I just don't think it is necessary for teaching them. I am more concerned about SIN = you go to hell.
>>712872728
Except there is no single book called the religion which contains all of the works of and teachings of God. People publish their findings and you can experience iit yourself to see if you agree.
>trolling
>>712871684
Well fuck.
>>712867601
the difference between logical scientifically minded people and religious bastards holding everyone back is that when we dont know something were not afraid to admit it. maybe we will know someday, till then we dont know. you guys have an answer for eeeeverything
>>712867601
probably because each side has its autists
>>712873566
I am religious and trust me, for anyone who is knowledgeable about the Bible would know that Hell fire dose not exist, The Bible doesn't even talk about it.
False religion enjoys fucking with others.
>>712873522
Did.
If you don't understand the answer given to you, you go look it up.
You're wrong.
Now go learn why you are wrong.
I pointed the way.
Now walk in the direction I pointed, dickhead.
>pray for 9 inch cock
>doesn't work
>God isn't real
>>712873793
>Bible would know that Hell fire dose not exist,
Actually the bible claims somewhere that Hell exists but no one goes to it. Something about how everyone ends up in Heaven anyway, mostly out of pity.
>>712872712
You design machine intelligence, but there is none, you do nothing.
>>712873793
What about heaven/ afterlife?
The problem of evil, for starters. The reality we're seeing isn't really compatible with an omnipotent, omnibenevolent god. The idea of salvation through faith also bugs me: the existence of Christian god isn't really apparent(after all, if it were, there would be no other religions), so how can one's beliefs be more important than deeds? That doesn't really jive with the idea of a just god, either. And that's before we even get to the idea of hell: how can an infinite punishment possibly be a righteous consequence from finite crime?
I mean, maybe there is a god of some kind, but if so, I really don't think he cares too much about what we believe unless he's outright malicious, in which case you're almost certainly screwed anyway and in any case, that's not the kind of god I would want to worship.
>>712871179
i love you
i couldn't have written it better
>>712873793
this, don't even know why so many people believe it. Guess not many actually read it and/or just believe whatever nillywilly.
>>712874004
We publish next August.
Problem?
>>712874000
Which part? The bible said something called sheol exists, which is where all the dead goes.
>>712874008
The Bible talked about the 144,000 being able to have the privilege of being in Heaven with God, but not the common man, for the Bible said Death is like a deep sleep, for we the common man don't go to heaven nor do we go to hell for our "Sins"
The Bible talks about a Paradise earth on which he want's his righteous followers in inhabit the Earth forever, for this was his main purpose until Adam and eve decided to mess it all up for us.. so now we're having to wait until he takes action, and i assure you, action will soon come, probably in our life time.
>>712874217
>Praise be to WillyNilly...
Makes more sense than Yahweh and his shit.
>>712874384
Which sins?
Eating shellfish?
Tattoos?
Wearing clothes with two fabrics?
>>712867601
Lol didn't read any of it
>>712874660
And that's why you're an Atheist.
>>712867601
You've officially gone "full retard" with this one. You will never provide sufficient evidence for creation, god, the virgin birth, the resurrection, etc.
Seriously try to grow up.
>>712874719
I am? Didn't know that
>>712874425
talk shit and NillyWilly will shove his Willy 30 miles up your ass
>>712874037
>how can an infinite punishment possibly be a righteous consequence from finite crime
Something something God is infinite and therefore crime against him (sin) weighs infinitely heavy.
Not sure if that is a mainstream position, but I read that sometime, somewhere as justification for that.
>>712874000
God does not even contemplate eternal torment. The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love. 1-John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31
Also
Romans 6:9 says
For the one who has died has been acquitted from his sin.
As you can see Hell is a false teaching.
I can link more scriptures if you'd like.
>>712867601
I just stopped beleiving in fairy tales my negro
Yes the Bible had certain hits but also quite a bunch of misses
The customs and traditions were and still are unexplained properly, ilogical and not essential to them or others
The philosophy is quite brutal if you ask me; everything just being black and white (if x then y, unless zx, if so then q) instead of being in all spectre od grey (based on the x, y and z it would be definitively q but the w makes it a bit complicated so we should check the a, b, c, d, e and f and determine if we should do q, o, p, r or s or any other if the given ones are inappropriate)
The people tend to be pure cancer; tell one joke facing religion and they get aggressive, obnoxious and child-like defensive)
>the individuals that step out of this group are too minor to be considered properly
It's just a narcofest to even try to logic out their claims irl
This one is post regarding: people back then made alnost no proper scientific researches, no proper tools to even do so; all they had was a pure guess
We have the technology, resources and the people to make proper testing: we can explore the truth beyond the blank guess in the darkness
>>712874719
Most atheists have read the bible... some the qur'an too.
All holy books are hilarious and illogical bullshit written by the mentally-ill of antiquity.
I read them for the lolz.
How anyone with above average IQ can read that shit and think "this sounds true" is fucking beyond me...
>>712874985
http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
http://biblelight.net/hell.htm
>>712867601
Just go away
>>712875105
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hWToW9ZNOpo
>>712874985
>The idea that he would punish people in hellfire is contrary to the Bible’s teaching that “God is love. 1-John 4:8; Jeremiah 7:31
A LOT of things God does in the bible are contrary to that. Like the way he hardened the pharaoh's heart just so he got to show off with the plagues.
>>712875105
I truly doubt you've read the Bible from head to toe.
I think you're lying to try to prove your point to me.
Also the majority of Atheist don't read the Bible, that's the reason there is so much conflict between the two.
>Pic related
It's you.
>>712875255
The Pharaoh had many warnings before good ever took action against him. It showed God had patience with a stubborn.
>>712875317
Really?
That's what you'd like to think, isn't it?
It makes you feel more secure, doesn't it?
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I just don't want to put the time, energy, and money to worry about an afterlife right now.
As far as the big bang goes all the evidence we have just states all matter is moving away from a specific area. Its possible all matter in the universe was once a single super-dense singularity.
>>712875707
Just telling the 99.9% facts you didn't read the Bible.
You probably read a few pages then decided to conclude it was trash.
You're pretty transparent to be honest.
Science and religion don't mix. Why is this still a thing?
>>712875255
or how he sent the Jews to kill the Canaanites and their children, infants, and even livestock. Or the two bears that mauled 42 kids for making bald jokes about some holy man. Or when he created the possibility for Evil to exist in the first place. etc.
>>712875680
...but pharaoh didn't have any choice...
Didn't imaginary yahweh "harden pharaoh's heart", godder?
So much for free will.
You were saying about me not knowing your bible better than you...
>>712875680
Then explain God killing the firstborns of families who did not mark their doors with slaughtered sheep's blood
>>712875680
Admittedly it's been a while since I read the story, but I'm pretty sure God never even punishes the pharaoh himself, only his people.
>>712875821
See my reply below for more disconcerting details re. your assertions and assumptions
>>712875958
Yahweh loves him that violence and those dead babies...
>believers think atheists are crazy for not believing
>atheists think believers are crazy because billions of people literally worship something they've never seen and only read about in man made texts
>>712870038
Why does there always have to be a purpose in life?
Life is inherently meaningless, which is what makes it so beautiful.
You can make it mean whatever the hell you want, you can go down whatever path you want.
We are purposeless in the grand scheme of things, but we have every opportunity to insert a purpose while we're here.
>>712875985
Pssst! BibleBoy.... Pharaoh's son...
you cant just pick sections of scientific history and compare them against the bible.
cherry picking is wrong.
for example
>all black women are ugly
All christers are frauds.
They claim to beleive the bible... but haven't read it or claim not to remember it.
If it was truly the apple of their eye and the object of their entire lives... they'd be fucking reading that shit like their shitstained lives fucking depended on it.
They don't.
They're frauds and fanboys... nothing more.
They are pathetic and their bold assertions are only made to bolster their own pride... which won't get them into the ass-kissing gulag when they die.
Most, like the sad specimens here play at being godders.
It's all for show and they know it and that's why they shitposted on /b/... to show off.
And they failed.
I... pity... you.
You're not even very good at being deluded!
>>712875985
He took actions on his first born.
>>712875958
And to understand the people of that time, the majority of people where hardened and stubborn, there was harsher rules back then that now days would never happen..
Harsher rules for a harsher time.
Also you must understand God is not a murder, he justice. And who's to say he won't resurrect them in the future? If we're making making assumptions that God is a heartless killer then i'm making the assumption he will bring them back to life in the future to be judged in the 1000 year rain.
>>712875847
Also one more thing to add, The Bible never shares EVERYTHING with us, just what is needed, for example in never explained how the land of the exile came about, for it really isn't worth mentioning, and if they did mention every single detail the Bible would be to big to read.
So just because it doesn't reveal every detail about Elijah having a bad day and cursing the children so a bear would eat doesn't mean we should conclude our thoughts there, the Bible is far deeper then that.
It would be a shame for you to stop reading because you didn't fully understand a certain
verse.
Also sorry if there is any typos, this is a long message so i hope i didn't lose you.
>>712870038
1. Religion should be swapped with Athiesm because it provides a Heaven while Atheism say this life is all you have and it can be really shitty.
2. >explain
>beyond what we can understand
>deny existance of _____ because it cannot be explained or measured
Really anon? any creature can go over that line and it would be as equally real as anything else that comes by imagination.
3. see # 1
4. purpose comes from your nature to live and the many things that branch from that including all the shit people do to stay happy and to eat, etc. Goals that a God gave you are almost the same as goals that you generate, except the latter gives you more freedom thanks to sin.
5. You can't refuse to believe in something if it is paradoxical in concept and unwilling to reveal itself.
>>712870905
whatever that is supposed to mean
>>712870650
what if someone doesn't assume that. what if it is something which no-one can understand and don't have to have a position on other than the most honest "I don't know".
that being said, the God concept of having no cause but also being a mind seems less sensible than a natural force that has always existed imo.
>>712867601
I'm an agnostic
Didnt read much of your post / nothing of this thread but something tickles me:
>infinite number of stars
we know how much stars there are.
>>712877640
Then how many stars are there?
Gist of the thread so far: "religious guy" seems suspiciously like a post-secondary student attempting to utilize every form of literary fallacy he knows. Most likely because he needs to use them and present it to his prof for marks. They made no real attempt to educate you on their religion, has not even claimed a specific religion outside of summarized bible quotes.
>>712877691
the current scientific understanding is that the universe in finite.
>>712877704
Normal for jesus-fanboi.
Yes... having chatted with lots, they really are that dumb and illogical and inconsistent.
Doesn't seem unusual for a pulpit-educated or homeschooled, brainwashed jesus'er.
>>712878166
Like the surface of a ball... but a ball of a given size.
>>712877573
>kinda this but neh
Saying "I don't know" is an act of surrender
Instead of claiming there is a force of nature not advised/prompted by a higher mind-deity but rather just is and functions like the way it does I would recommend actually giving a 'plausible' statement of funcional example
>loops
Theoreticly they've been proven to be possible (theoreticly) and give a reasonable understandment what was before and what is after the big bang: one same thing looping over and over
No higher deity requested or needed yet everything has it's before and after (there have been theories that the universe should be repositioned to this same position it is now after about one googolplex of years, but then again those are just theories)
>>712878166
You said you knew how many stars there where like it was fact.
Yet then you tell me the Universe is finite.
You do know that's educated guess right? for the Google reading says So we really do not know if the universe is infinite at this point, but since the value is so close to flat, even if the universe is positively curved and finite, it would definitely be much much bigger than the observable universe..
So you're putting your faith in this? You don't truly know that, so you've added blind faith to your conclusion? Not being rude, just saying.
>>712876962
>does evil
>doing evil isn't doing evil because he might make up for it
>its just to kill people because they were assholes who wouldn't put blood on their doors
>lets beat the shit out of this donkey so it will move it's stubborn ass
>it isn't obvious why he sent the bad voodoo on those kids but I'm sure he had a reason worthy of brutally mauling 42 children
anon, thats like hearing a college student tell a professor that they didn't do their work because they had a good reason to instead of straight up giving a real answer
>>712867601
Science
>admits that it doesn't know all the answers, so works to find new things and improve so that it can learn
Religion
>thinks it already knows all the answers, and its followers will fuck you up if you disagree
And you saying "god has always been here" is a cop-out. You don't define where 'here' is, and you avoid the fact that everything has both a beginning (alpha) and an ending (omega).
>>712878291
>Like the surface of a ball
>a ball of a given size.
>a ball
Through scientific observation the universe actually has a shape of a thorus (shape of a bagel/donut)
>>712878576
that was another anon. yea, that was weak, i take it back
>>712878701
Ok let me try tossing you the ball, let's just say God IS a heartless killer... does that disprove god in any way? And if it does, then how?
>>712878797
It's all good.
>>712867601
(You)
>>712878782
To resinthesize:
>like a surface of a bagel
>but a bagel of a given size
Imagine a bagel with a filling
It can only have a certain amount of filling until it overflows, thus making it impossible for the filling to be "infinite" but rather finite
>>712878854
It doesn't neccesseraly disprove him but it debunks the logic that such a "person" should be given any amount of "respect" for "creating us"
If your own father was to kill your mother, strangle your brother and rape your sister, shoot you in the eye and burn all your property
>would you still be "obligated" to give him the respect he "deserves" just for bringing you to life?
>>712878854
only to someone who believes that God must be omnibenevolent.
But from my position, it doesn't add to the case for God, which starts at no case because philosophically speaking, I can still believe that the nonsense of something existing can be solved by saying it always existed, even though I hate that answer, but not as much as a mind that has always existed but is omniscient and found a reason to make something it should know everything about, let alone something that it can have a problem with.
>>712879292
hell, where does existence even accredit giving respect. I say its the quality of life that matters.
>>712879292
I honestly understand where you are coming from, and I heard a better expiation for this topic, but I lost it, had it saved somewhere..
It basically explains how God was justified in his actions, and I assure you it's not what it seems, IF YOU want you could add me on Skype and I could explain further? Ofc a friendly conversation.
It's up to you, I can try finding it right now, but it might take be a while.
Also I'm having a hard time figuring out if you're athiest or if you believe in a God.. Or something?
Hurr durr Atheism is good for your health
>>712879669
I do too
But I was only stating the argument because the whole base of religion is:
>our pa in da sky made us
>WE MUST RESPECT HIM, BRING THE SACRIFICE!!!
It's an apsurd argument knowing that even if there is a "our pa in da sky" it's still an asshole cunt that desserves no respect whatsoever
That the Earth is a sphere can be deduced from movement of shadows. Something I'm pretty sure the Greeks already figured out. As many of these points, I am certain there lived people at the time who knew earth was a planetary body. In general I feel the bible was written by smart men to control common men.
And collect taxes of course
as an atheist, my pov has always been that if a good and just god existed, regardless of how and why, only Heaven would exist and people could not be harmed in any way. If God can make 2+2=5 then he can create people who have freewill and are unaffiliated with evil and unaffected by it.
>tfw life is terrible for billions of beings throughout existence and everything dies in the end
>>712879806
Don't have skype but if it wasn't that late in the night I'd probably take the invitation for a talk
To anwer your question: I am neither (not a theist not an atheist), an open minded conservative
To explain (my logic is a bit broken but bear with it):
Either there is or is not a god
If there isn't: shit, there is nothing to say, no pappi in da sky for me
If there is: a) he's a total asshole that doesn't care for his creation
>[doesn't desserve any respect for being an asshole]
b)he's incapable to help his creation
>[doesn't desserve any respect for being incapable creator, just like a monarch that cannot rule desserves no followers to follow]
c) he isn't aware of us as his creation
>[desserves no respect for being a blind fool]
No matter wether there is or isn't a grand daddeh in the universe there is no need nor justification for following and giving respect to a deity of any sort
>>712867601
g8 b8
though this is for anyone reading this stupid things.
This is correct but only applies to the science in the area at that time, ie a fucking desert
For example, ancient greeks knew the earth was round.
>>712871796
You must be a jew
>>712880351
As much as it is depressing and painful to think about it even as an atheist it is shocking how much truth there is in this post
>>712867601
...Yeah, and how can the earth be old if the bible was written in English?
>>712880777
I dropped the ball a bit and I apologize, I really wanted to explain my side of this story, but I fell short, I assure you God is loving, but.. I know he can seem cruel, but he's not Human earthier He knows what form of justice needs to take place even if it seems evil in our eyes.
But again I apologize I failed to explain my side better, hopefully I'll run into you again in a future thread and I'll have the material to explain things a bit better (I am still a newbie) learning all sides.
Anyways, I bid you farewell, you're obviously welcome to stay in this thread until it ends, but I am only Human and iv been replying to people for a solid hour in a half and now I'm tired of typing on this stupid IPhone.
>>712881161
"FacePalm"
>>712880777
Also if you want, you can still have my Skype for future conversations?
>>712871179
The sad truth.
>>712874559
Fair point.
>>712881468
Sure, leave the skype just so if I feel talking religion to somebody yet there is noone around I could always have you, the Anon
>>712881813
Haha, sounds good.
>Clukcanboo
That's my skype
>>712881259
In all honesty you shouldn't lose you breath on people like me
Like I said, I am but an open bottle, argument can only flow in and out of me from one whole that there is, unless you break me
I have never seen god as a "perfect" being, and I never will
Even if we manage to discover him by science to me it would still be a mish mash of a guy that is simply better than us in making vidya
Implying the bible wasn't written by some scientist with too much time on his hands
>>712881903
Thanks mate
Just... Don't feel indangered if you receive a message in 1 am asking if the universe is a thorus shaped does that make us a god's bagel?
... Since I've actually done this to a friend once
>a very religious friend
>a very religious former friend
Just don't feel endangered, I go out for a spree like that every once in a while
>>712872995
OP is triggered af
>>712870045
The gif without Spanish inquisition please?
>>712871179
Sorry, i didn't see this comment sooner, slipped passed be amongst all the other comments.
So to start of this picture wasn't trying to discredit Science it was means to explain how Science has always been wish washy while the Bible held it's own through out time without changing it's text.
And i never said Evolution was simply just about a Reptile turning into a Mammal i used that as a form of explaining how people will also believe in something they never witnessed happened.
And i wouldn't go as far to say as the Bible disagreeing with Evolution.. because you could say a form of Evolution took place on a Wolf.. and that wolf became domesticated and then that domesticated Wolf become our typical FiFi as we see today. But Some Evolutionist take it a bit far when they start compering us to ancient Animals, and saying how they Where once a fish then that fish became a mammal then that mammal became a turkey then etc etc etc etc...
Yet people have NEVER seen this transition take place.. yet they take these so called educated guesses as facts.. so in that regard they have "FAITH" they're right.
And you're saying the BigBang isn't crap? How did it even happen? Does it really make more sense to you that it happened all by it's self..?
How does that make more sense then someone being behind such a complex process?
Also taking space college 400 years from now? Have you been watching the Jetsons? And i'm sure you will remain Atheist, because usually the narrow minded stick to a conclusion that involves you to do nothing but sitting around and jacking off all day while playing video games.
My Gods Name is WORK
denn Arbeit macht frei
Greetings from Germoney, u cunts
>>712883802
Shots fired, shots fired!
>>712883802
Damn op don't get aggressive
The reason we have never seen evolution "take place"is because it is milenials long process which includes tons of natural selection, not to mention that certain species don't change at all for millions of year
Rough estimate tells me we won't see a new species formed purely by evolution ( the natural selection at it's gandest) until the year 12000 (rough estimate)
And for the big bang: I have no idea how much you've gotten into UNDERSTANDING physics as much as LEARNING it
If payed attention whenever physics is mentioned you'd start to understand how the atoms, subatomic particles, quarks and gluons, and essentialy strings function (fyi most of this have been in fact proven 100% existant by being observed/detected with special instruments they have used) in a way that makes many unreasonable fenomena in cosmos quite probable and even more so acceptibly more likely than the "deity creation theory"
>>712885153
You proved my point, you're right no one has seen "Evolution" take place.
And as far as your second comment goes, i have no idea how to respond to this, because i'm trying to find a nicer to explain why i disagree with your opinion.
You aren't really sharing any info with me on how i'm "Incorrect" just a bunch of well if you understood how all this worked then i wouldn't need to explain something to you i know nothing about, btw it's called string Theory...."THEORY"
You keep putting your faith in man and see how far that get's you Anon, we don't really have much more to talk about unless you wanna argue some more.
>>712867601
TLDR
that being said if nobody has caught on yet, this is the difference between Agnosticism and Atheism. and the very reason I fall into the former. (although with atheist overtones.) It's is precisely as preposterous to believe the universe has been here forever or came from nothing as it is to believe that something or one created it out of nothing or has existed forever. that is why you are rendered unable to know anything of the true nature of god. If the universe really did come from intelligent design, it is a very amazing system. P.S. DO DMT
>>712885943
>thinks putting faith in an existant man is rubbish
>thinks putting faith in deity with highly unlikely chance to exist is more profound
>kek
Also
>doing the "it's just a theory"
You bongo, the "Earth is a sphere" was also a theory until Magellan proved it
Just likewise the "string theory" is as much as a theory as the "elephants contain potassium in their body" theory, sure, wenever did the proper testing to prove this but we can say it is indeed like that with 99% guarancy just by observing the similiar objects
Also, I haven't proved you fucken claim about the evolution, you just reinterpretated it that way
I said evolution is a long process that cannot be observed in a short amount of time
You are saying that just because we cannot see the evolution we cannot prove it a fact
Have you ever heard of gene compatibility? The fact that we share a certain amount of genes with almost all the organism, humans likewise share by far the most of the genes with primates, then rodents, then reptiles and so back down the evolution road
How the fuck would this be posdible if a daddeh from the sky made every species apart from each other an let the course take is action for them to slightly mutate
>>712886255
>do DMT
I agree with that
Should be done more often
>>712883802
So i made some thanksgiving dinner and came back to see if op responded.
My post wasn't denouncing god, i am not sure if you caught the part where i implied "I don't give a fuck about god, you do you and i do me."
My post was denouncing organized religion and that wasn't even the purpose of my response.
You asked a question, and i saw a bunch of stupid shit to rip at you for. No one can give a 100% answer for the "Big bang" unless we can actually witness it happening we will never be 100% sure. I have read some theory of pressure creating matter, i have no place telling anyone what happened though because my qualifications give me no capabilities.
Your post was cutting down "science" for some fucken reason. I hope someday you need to go to a hospital and the doctor calls you back and hands you a bible and tells you to scram.
The only reason why you are wearing clothes, sitting in a fabric, polyester, or leather chair, posting cancer on 4chin on your Computer that runs off of electricity in your house built from materials prepared in factories is from science.
Religion has given the world guidelines, some good and some bad. I am not denouncing it as a whole, i think it is taken too seriously. Note my space college joke.
>>712867601
Science knew the Earth was round. The Greeks even calculated how large it was far before Christianity popped up.
It's the religious people that started that whole:
>"They thought Earth was flat. LOL"
Thing to begin with.
The theories on the Big Bang is that there was mass, and matter before the Big Bang, and that there was a "Big Crunch" of the matter condensing.
The rest of the things on the list are either from Wingnuts who got told:
>"That's not how it works, you can't do 'x'"
Then tried to, because they were told they couldn't, or from the same story the "Flat Earth" joke came from.
>>712887917
To be honest, i'v been replying to these comments for the past 3 or 4 hours and my head hurts now from staring at the computer, i need some fresh air or something.
And i wasn't cutting down "Science" i was showing just how faulty it can be.
Also my comment was 99.9% in harmony with your comment, you choose to disagree with it because you dislike what i say... LIKE EVERY FUCKING ARGUMENT that ever took place on the internet. You kid's are something else i tell yuh what.
>>712887917
Damn
Like honestly damn
I have to screen this post, keep this thread alive until I get on me computer
>>712887917
I think it's trying to communicate.
>>712888775
Really you think your own post is that good? I'v seen better comments from a fortune cookie.
>>712867601
Well I'm an atheist because it fucking suits me to be, and I don't care if anyone else likes it or not.
>>712888491
I will ask you this simple question:
On how many layers of insanity are you?
This isn't humane anymore, >you "came" with this thread as a friendly neighbour Chrischan that wanted to hear about autheism
>you ascended to a level of 'I understand your missunderstandment' type of preacher
>downfalled to a pit of "beartooth aggressive"
>now you are an old guy in his 60 unable to understand the fact we like to disagree with stuff
It's intetnet for cuck's sake
Nothing is holy, especially not the chrischans
>>712889026
Do I really must prove that I'm not the same poster?(no really, I slipped in the argument the original anon had with OP, I'm just an autist that likes to share his "philosophy")
>>712887917
You know what i'll reply to this because you're probably the last one.
Note: I never said you where denouncing God.
Likewise, i also so stuff i could "rip you at" for.
Such as you never really explained to me why i'm wrong in any form, and also where the heck was i cutting down "science"? i was showing how it can be faulty from time to time, that reflecting the people who are scientist.
And why do you assume religious people don't partake in science? There are many scientist out there who serve God, Atheist aren't special snow flakes, there are many people in "That" field.
So again, where are you trying to prove me wrong? because i feel you're dodging my questions.
>>712867601
>And why do you assume religious people don't partake in science?
Not the guy you are currently arguing with, but I will ask you kind to reffer to following video as an answer to your question
https://youtu.be/Y201QzDdzbg
I am asking you kindly to do so
wow a christian bait meme with effort. havent seen one in a while
>>712889995
>And why do you assume religious people don't partake in science?
Not the guy you are currently arguing with, but I will ask you kind to reffer to following video as an answer to your question
https://youtu.be/Y201QzDdzbg
I am asking you kindly to do so
My mistake, replied to a wrong post
>>712890551
Ok so i'll watch the rest of this later considering it's 7 mins long "Watched 3:18 of it"
And so far he's said "ridiculous claim" so many times in that 3 mins i was bitting my tongue.
I was raised in a family who wasn't religious at all, in fact my sister (The second oldest) i have 2 sister, she is now an Atheist.
I my self have been agnostic forever, since i was like in my late teens, but that's another story for another time.
I'm not sure what that guys "Agenda is" because he's dedicated his whole channel to bashing religion, i'm sure it's how he's making his money... and that whole ridiculous claim stuff he keeps talking about... how is that NOT visa versa for atheist? How are there claims not ridiculous?
It's completely hypocritical.
>>712890551
Also to add when he add's the whole hellfire scene... anyone who's read the Bible would know Hellfire is a false teaching.
>>712868687
right, never has science been used to control people
For example, Hebrews 11:3.There are over 100 published different translations and interpretations of each and every chapter and verse of the bible right now.
These verses have, for want of a better term, evolved with modern thinking over generations. There is fuck all similarity from the original text to what your are reading today. Its just Chinese whispers.
For example. Someone writing 2000 years ago in local Hebrew dialect something like "I need to take a shit now" then that same text is read and re written and translated as understood every generations since would most likely read something like " I voted for Hillary"
>>712867601
I feel you
But check your "facts" first though
http://www.crivoice.org/circle.html
Fuck off christnigger.
Go get crucified next to Jesus if you're so fucking holy
>>712892999
It hasn't
>>712893609
look around you, got anything with a major brand on it?
