>if you don't believe in aliens or alien abductions,
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>if you don't believe in aliens or alien abductions, you either haven't done your homework or are entirely; inexplicably retarded
Now that's out of the way, I have some questions:
>if aliens are so advanced, why is a physical abduction necessary? Wouldn't it just make more sense to remotely dispatch a molecule sized drone to fly into the lungs of people, and monitor shit from there?
>if they're so advanced, why would they need to 'harvest' our biological matter, instead of taking samples and artificially cloning what they need?
>if they are so advanced, what could there possibly be to learn about our planet and if there is something to learn, why haven't they learnt it within the past hundred-thousand years or so?
Thoughts.
>inb4 'because they aren't real'
cant have satisfying sex with a mini drone.
ayy lmaos fucking love butt stuff. this requires abduction.
>>712837626
I don't think they abduct people. I think they probably have us cataloged in their alien wikipedia and occasionally they visit. They keep it on the downlow cause it's illegal on their world to let themselves be known by a civilization during its information age.
I have no evidence for this, but it sounds awesome.
>>712838007
Also gets me thinking;
>do they have a government?
>i.e., are the ayy lmao's that abduct people/visit earth acting from their own initiative, or with permission (if so, from whom?), or is it arbitrarily ordered ventures from an authority (like a Government?)
Like, imagine the most cohesive; rational, advanced societal structure you can conjure up; assume that all barriers have been broken down and anything is possible. How would you describe it?
>>712838227
It's probably like any government. Ranging from democratic to communistic to totalitarianistic. Probably just as turbulent if it's made of up different bodies.
There are probably a good handful of space hitlers that would put ours to shame.
>>712837626
When people say "do your homework" or "do your research" or any variation thereof, I immediately assume theyre retarded. Your thread did not disappoint.
>>712838741
>>712838741
>>712838948
Even better:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc1358.htm
You read these quotes, and then you tell me that aliens/UFO's aren't real.
>i just did your homework for you, nigger
>>712837626
Aliens 100% exist. They just haven't visited earth ever you dumb cuck. Sorry you have to wait a few hundred more years at least before your anal probing.
>>712837626
prepping society for mass enslavement
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
>>712837626
You're applying human knowledge, technology, motivation, and intention to aliens. That just doesn't make sense. Anyways
> Abductions might be for behavioral studies, put the rat in a maze
> What's the difference between harvesting and sampling? Or maybe they like the taste of human flesh
> Humans have changed dramatically over the past hundred thousand years, as long as we change there is more to learn
>>712839324
Good, valid points. Amazing to see /b/ has some slight iota of cognition left in its deteriorated shell.
>>712837803
kek
I remember reading/hearing a comment somewhere that implied the following -
what makes us so special that they would want to stop and communicate with us?
like a human observing a bunch of creepy crawlies, proper communication would probably be very difficult with no reward.
they have no benefit to gain from our apparent fumbling folly and chimp like behavior. Even though they may know we exist. they leave us alone to mature as if a person would leave bugs alone in nature undisturbed.
>>712837626
some people always talk about how if aliens could reach us from wherever, they'd be too advanced to have interest in us, but what if we take the simulated-reality theory, and they are simply beings interacting with our simulated reality who aren't the original creators of the sim. like children or teenagers who somehow got into the high tech lab and started playing around with the stuff they found.
or if we're artificial intelligences in a simulated reality, who's to say there isn't another simulated reality posessing other artificial intelligences who have somehow figured out how to effect the "real" world that both our simulations exist in, like uploading themselves to a robot, which is interfacing with our simulation environment, which would necessarily be clumsy and bizarre seeming to us.
bump for more conversation
>>712839976
Fuck youre a slut like ur mum cunt so not even dogs feel it
>>712843828
what, the aliens?
>be me
>be alien
>want to reveal all
>can't
Also, just to clear things up, _we_ don't abduct people.
>>712844106
so you're saying that there's only one group of spacefaring creatures aside from humans?
>>712837626
Why do people feel the need and enjoy observing shit in nature ?
The other animals are stupid
But it's entertaining to watch them deal with different shit
>>712837626
All monsters are images we use to describe what we are or could become.
A tiger does tiger things all day like a tiger, you can count on it to be a tiger.
But humans are so complex that they can be worms, dogs, roaches, or even things that don't exist, like vampires, werewolves, angels or aliens.
The xenomorph in the movie Alien is the culmination of humanity's corporate domination rewarding ruthlessness. It is a nightmare and a cautionary tale.
The perve aliens made into a cliche by USAmericans are just that, nightmares based on the fear of lurking perverted kidnappers. Aliens used to be invaders, spies or plain old wild animals, they have changed in culture as our fears have.
Actually believing in Angels, werewolves, aliens or bigfoot is for children who either miss the point or have imaginations too limited to take it in.
>>712844251
If that's what you took from that, then absolutely yes.
Lizard People.
>>712844274
so based upon a tendency for humans to externalise their fears, there's no intelligent life in the universe aside from us?
>>712842398
I never understood the whole 'simulated reality' rationale; explain?
>>712844385
This.
Just because you find a particular outcome unlikely due to your world view, doesn't mean it's invalid - or for that matter, doesn't mean it's not in fact *the likely outcome*.
>>712844457
In 2003, philosopher Nick Bostrom proposed a trilemma that he called "the simulation argument". Despite the name, Bostrom's "simulation argument" does not directly argue that we live in a simulation; instead, Bostrom's trilemma argues that one of three unlikely-seeming propositions must be true. The trilemma points out that a technologically mature "posthuman" civilization would have enormous computing power; if even a tiny percentage of them were to run "ancestor simulations" (that is, "high-fidelity" simulations of ancestral life that would be indistinguishable from reality to the simulated ancestor), the total number of simulated ancestors, or "Sims", in the universe (or multiverse, if it exists) would greatly exceed the total number of actual ancestors. Therefore, at least one of the following three propositions is almost certainly true:
"The fraction of human-level civilizations that reach a posthuman stage (that is, one capable of running high-fidelity ancestor simulations) is very close to zero", or
"The fraction of posthuman civilizations that are interested in running ancestor-simulations is very close to zero", or
"The fraction of all people with our kind of experiences that are living in a simulation is very close to one"
Bostrom goes on to use a type of anthropic reasoning to claim that, if the third proposition is the one of those three that is true, and almost all people with our kind of experiences live in simulations, then we are almost certainly living in a simulation.
>>712844595
So, essentially, either:
a) A race gets so advanced that for some reason they decide to perfectly simulate less-advanced versions of themselves (us)
b) A race gets so advanced that it could simulate less-advanced versions of themselves, but isn't interested in it, or;
c) We're the simulated ancestors
is this right?
>>712845706
mostly.
a - is more like the percentage of civs at our level of advancement who progress to capabilities to perform such simulations is negligible, ie they either never make it to such an advanced level for whatever reason.
>>712845706
Yeah, or
d) None of those.
It's a ridiculous proposition that's only redeemed by the "almost certainly true" clause. As it's almost certainly not true and almost certainly true.
Y'all have some time as a species to figure that out.
We'll get there someday, I mean we'll get so advanced that this shit will be laughed at. We'll look back at ourselves the way we look at insects now.
It's funny how we look back at cavemen and think of how stupid/simple they were, when we're in reality essentially an amoeba compared to the intelligent life that exists out there
>>712837626
>>712845235
>>712846819
i look back at caveman and think of how magical it must have seemed to figure out how you can make lines of force go the way you want them to by hitting rocks together just right so you can make a useful tool.
>>712837626
nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ODMUbe7J-I&t
We don't know how advanced they are faggot they could be beating the shit out of each other with rocks for all we know.
>>712848922
>tfw right now a cavelien is getting brained with a moon-rock somewhere in the universe.
Let me preface by saying I do believe in alien life, however I don't believe that aliens would waste their time on our primitive asses. The overwhelming stupidity of the average human leads me to believe that they wouldn't consider us worth any research value, unless it were specifically in human emotion or reaction. Other than our humanity what can we offer the universe? Pollution, war, greed, etc.
It's like this:
The first broadcast ever made that was strong enough to breach the ionosphere, the firt signal that's going to reach whoever might be out there, is Adolf Hitler giving the commencement speech to the 1936 Olympic Games. Hitler is our ambassador to the galaxy, just think about that for a second.
Then realize that this has been followed by 80 years of War Of The Worlds, Alien, Mars Attacks, Starship Troopers, Independence Day, and so on (to say nothing of all the movies and tv shows about us killing each other over every petty little thing you can imagine). Basically we're broadcasting to the universe that we're murdering bastards, and will only welcome aliens we think are fuckable. Green women? Come on in. Non-humanoid? FUCK OFF OR DIE ON EARTH.
Any alien race intelligent enough to be able to make contact with earth is intelligent enough to know not to.
>>712837626
You might have missed the fact that their technology might have taken completemy different approach to things and they might not have invented nano tech or drones but might have invented something different still completely unknown to us.
Technological advancement is not a straight line of ideas that happen the same way for all sentient life in universe.
Also keep in mind that we use electricity for everyrhing, they could potentially be using some other way to get things done.
>>712849248
earthlings are the autistic brat who is forced to wear a helmet and is segregated from the general population for everybody's safety.
>>712837626
not gunna troll , simple question
where did they come from
>>712849220
>>712849248
You make such grand assumptions on what attributes are recognisably worthwhile.
You're not judged for what you did, what you'll do or why you do it. A mistake worth notable concern is the consistent arrogance of those who feel better than others.
A man can kill you, you're worse for saying it's wrong to kill. One is an act, the other an assumption based on clear biased ignorance. There is an important difference.
What makes you think Aliens are so smart? Cause the transportation is faster?
Such assumption, much ignorance.
>>712849248
Sounds like earth is an excellent place for extreme tourism.
"Live in your world, come and die in mine"
t. Humans
>>712838978
UFO's 100% exist, it's just a classification.
As for extraterrestrial life that visits this planet? Your quotes mean nothing more than 'someone people think they've seen aliens/recount other people who say they've seen aliena's.
It doesn't exist, you are deluded. Its as bad as bigfoot. If it were real the scientific community would be involved, there'd be hard evidence etc
There isn't because it's the fanciful ramblings of unimportant people who want to belong to something, something that makes them feel special or superior because only they 'know the truth'.
The dullest answer is usually correct, sorry.
>>712850679
>and no more threads about aliens were ever posted on 4chan again
>>712850679
>Implying the govt wouldn't hide the fact ayylmaos exist because the general populace would go crazy with fear and panic.
Your gross assumption is pretty disgusting tbh.
>>712849949
Okay, so what if the aliens don't revile violence? What if they're okay with the idea of killing your fellow man for material wealth?
Then we've been beaming out "human beings can kick the shit out of anything" for 80 years and someone's going to come stomp our shit in.
First and foremost, I fail to see how that could possibly be better than just causing aliens to avoid us, but for pertinence to the debate I must point out that the supposed UFO sightings we've had for the last century don't remotely fit this scenario. To further this point, consider the following:
If you have the ability to accelerate a vehicle to such a velocity that interstellar travel is viable, you have the ability to easily destroy a planet. Even a single regular bowling ball travelling near light speed would devastate our entire planet. We would be utterly defenseless against any warlike race with interstellar travel.
The only other alternative would be these aliens who do not decry violence and conquest receiving our broadcasts and looking up to us, which I frankly find highly unlikely and extremely egotistical. We're beaming out into the cosmos a constant stream of threats to anything that doesn't look like a human woman and no one has come to put us in our place. Either no one's out there (unlikely in my opinion) or whoever might be out there will avoid us on general principle. Even if you go the Galaxy Quest route and presume the aliens don't understand fiction and think we've actually wiped out dozens of alien races, that still equates to them having good reason to avoid us.
>>712851311
Dude humans are bipedal cockroaches. You can't stomp us, we only come back in bigger numbers and more fierce. We're survivors. Ayylmaos would try and fail horribly to stomp us.
>>712851385
we haven't been around that long. even the dinosaurs got stomped.
>>712851385
One bowling ball, anon.
That's all it would take to wipe out the entire blue dot. No fighter-jet battles, no orbital laser bombardment, no flood of ground troops. Just one bowling ball at 90% lightspeed would be impossible to detect or intercept and the only planet with humans on it goes wobbling off its axis and out of its orbit.
>>712851487
By a meteorite. Not an intelligent lifeform that can FTL.
Huge difference.
>>712851557
like the other anon is saying. if you can FTL a ship, you can FTL it right into our planet.
>>712851557
>Huge difference.
...unless the intelligent lifeform that can FTL drops a meteorite on us. Rocks are cheap, there's millions of them floating out in that asteroid belt.
>>712851507
>>712851614
>>712851660
Yes but any lifeform that wants to conquer humanity isn't gonna jump right to blowing is out of existence. They're gonna try and subjugate us before they try to smother is out of existence.
Also your imaginary bowling ball threat is fear mongering at best. Try better anon, I know you can.
Also nice samefag.
>>712851725
why? what if they're purpose is to smother intelligent species, espeically ones who are showing signs of aberrant or agressive behavior according to whatever weird ass alien civilization charts they have?
>>712851809
>they're
jesus christ i finally did it
>>712851725
Do you conquer and subjugate cockroaches? How about wild animals that threaten you?
Or do you kill them by flinging a small piece of lead at a very high speed from a safe distance?
>>712851311
It's like you read my post about ignorance, ignored it, and one upped this bitch.
Your post is littered with assumptions.
What makes you think we accelerate to "such velocity". There is no need to go very fast at all.
>>712850962
>Implying delusional people would listen to reason
>>712851293
>Implying that the government is competent enough to keep that up
>Implying that 'the government's is just one unchanging organisation ck posed of exactly the same people since the 40's
>implying that supposed 'aliens' would only visit government agents/agencies/members/branches so as to allow them to keep it secret
>implying there's a reason to keep alien existence from people outside of David Ike tier conspiracy theories
>implying that the world's scientific community that encompasses the subject of extra terrestrial life is in on the the plan to hide it from the general public
>implying that the government could keep thousands of scientists quiet
implying that the government could keep the number of people who'd have to be involved quiet
>>712851809
Because any species that just smothers out civilizations is the kind that doesn't last very long or their puppets of an even larger master race.
>>712851860
I don't mindlessly kill things, even cockroaches or spiders. We all got our place in the chain. I only kill if I'm going to use.
>>712837626
>if you don't understand <thing> you're wrong
Pic related. Fig. 2 is your understanding of "burden of proof".
>>712838978
Read the "evidence", UFO's are real..
They are, like the abbreviation suggests, unidentified.
They are however not proof of alien life or abductions, as this is conspiracy bullshit for retards and basementdwellers who're in use of a realitycheck.
>>712851914
>There is no need to go very fast at all.
lol spontaneous position jump
why don't you conjure up the philosopher's stone and transmute lead into gold while you're at it?
>>712837626
I think it's ignorant to say there isn't such a thing, but really truly I don't like the notion that all 'alien' phenomenon are greater and smarter beings than humans. Humans are pretty sick like we've come along way, we are advanced as fuck.
>>712851933
You seriously underestimate the power of the us govt anon. I'm honestly ashamed.
And are you implying that other nations wouldn't also hide the fact ayylmaos exist or that you think everyone is a bumbling idiot that wants to blow all the bells and whistles.
Not everyone is assange.
>>712851933
i was mocking that post, not praising it.
>>712852020
Don't need the philosopher's Stone to do that anon. We can do that now.
>>712851660
If aliens wanted to attack us, a kinetic weapon from far away seems like a more plausible scenario instead of lasers and buzz saws
If aliens have visited Earth, why the fuck would they be so mysterious about it and why would they give two shits about what we think? If they're advanced enough to travel here, they could destroy us easily. They would either have taken over the Earth or just ignored us and left us to evolve naturally. This whole "spooky alien abductions" and "mysterious aliens that just float around then vanish" crap is ridiculous
>>712852106
>We can do that now.
lol not without colliding stars you can't.
>>712851962
ants exhibit many traits of what we call civilization, yet we routinely destroy entire colonies because they're an inconvenience. i'm not saying you personally do this, but our species does this so regularly that anybody with some pocket change can walk into the largest retailer on the planet and buy a little container of genocide for ants.
where are you getting this stuff from?
Aliens exist. They're just not abducting people or hanging out around earth.
The chances would be astronomical that one race of sentient beings comes to a space-faring age, then just happens to run into another. This isnt star trek. Who knows if there's warp drive, but even still. What primitive method of study? They abduct you and run invasive tests? Yet they're advanced enough to travel the stars? Doesn't really make any sense if you think about it.
>>712852204
Getting what stuff? Use your big boy words anon.
>>712852197
It's called the hadron. Read up on it bb.
>>712852166
Honestly, just waiting for you guys to develop fusion energy. We estimate between 50 and 100 years now. Although recent developments have come to light which may reduce that number down to within the next 20 years.
It's really that simple.
>>712852020
No. It's not spontaneous position jump. The universe is quite capable of placing us wherever we need to be. Velocity is about as relevant as a hamster on its wheel.
>>712852058
You're overestimating its ability to not fuck up/bungle things/lose files etc
>not everyone is an Assange
There would be leaks, something big. And no, like I said, there's no reason not to admit it if actually news got out, doesn't even make sense hiding it from scientists etc the government would need their help. Why would they bother?
>>712852063
My bad, sorry about that.
>>712852442
>puppets of an even larger master race
that stuff
>>712837803
keeek
>>712852442
Are you referring to the LHC? I hope not because you're talking shit if you are.
>>712852442
That collides atoms together and forces them to break apart for study.
It doesn't fuse protons to form different elements. (I.e. turning lead to gold).
>>712852516
Because the majority of people who are on control believe containment is better than enlightenment. It's a sad reality but the truth.
>>712852559
Simple logic. Any civilization that can achieve FTL would recognize the use of a strong bit dimwitted puppy empire to do your dirty work. Also because, if you can hire a bunch of degenerates to do your dirty work, why would you do it yourself?
>>712852498
Oh, it's just that simple? Like aliens wouldn't have already developed fusion energy for themselves? Why do they need to wait for us? Why don't they take our resources and leave?
>>712852619
Not the LHC, the hadron. God element, has transmuting abilities and other we don't even know about.
>>712852625
Not the LHC.
>>712852711
can you walk me through that? i may be stupid, but i don't see the logic of this.
>>712837626
Op stop watching ancient aliens dude
>>712852711
As I said, they couldn't contain it without the aid of people they don't control. Too many people, they'd never keep them all quiet, it doesn't exist.
>>712852809
>this thing that we know nothing about, well I know it'll let us do this specific thing.
Forgive me for assuming you're talking complete shit.
>>712852442
>hadron
Hadrons are subatomic particles, anon. Protons, Baryons, etc. Breaking apart lead atoms and causing them to reform with 3 fewer protons and electrons and 8 fewer neutrons is entirely out of it's capability even if all you were trying to make were a single atom.
>>712852498
>The universe is quite capable of placing us wherever we need to be
Not quite the stupidest thing I've read this year, but you're in the top 10.
>>712852850
Yeah sure.
I may be applying human logic to ayylmaos, but I'm working on the assumption theure intelligent lifeforms that recognize an opportunity to better themselves the easy way.
If you look through most of human history mercenaries are nothing new. They've been around since the beginning of mans struggle to assert themselves over others by way of absolute power. Whether that power be economic, throigh a coalition of people forming a govt or even pure might.
People paying or manipulating other to do the work they don't wanna (in this case apply wiping out the human race) they'll find people to that work for them.
See jobs and career if youre further confused.
>>712852809
>the hadron. God element, has transmuting abilities and other we don't even know about.
You have NO idea what you're talking about.
"Hadrons are categorized into two families: baryons, made of three quarks, and mesons, made of one quark and one antiquark. Protons and neutrons are examples of baryons; pions are an example of a meson."
>>712853224
Yes and you're assuming that everyone wants to share the information that ayylmaos exist. What if the teams used ro contain are aware of the oh shit factor and realize it should be kept quiet.
And scientists hardly have a history of blowing whistles, any scientist worthwhile to work on alien tech is gonna keep quiet to continue working on it. Trust me.
>>712853511
>and you're assuming everyone wants to share
Strawman harder. It only takes one person to leak shit, genius.
>>712852711
>have FTL
>still need meat people to actually do 'dirty work'
Doubtful.
>>712853652
And if it one person do you realize how easy it'd be to make that person seem like a quack? Seriously I'm starting to doubt your intelligence.
Look at how many people thought assange was a quack before more people stepped forward to confirm what he said.
And if some scientist did blow a whistle and the us discredited them and ran them through the washers if nothing else to show the others what'd happen if they did.
So if et needs shit done they come to us humans too do there dirty work ??
>>712841089
At least its not a fucking YLYL furry or porn thread. Even if you don't think this is a good topic for discussion, at least it IS a topic for discussion.
>>712853511
>Trust me
No.
They're not going to keep then all quiet, it's not just scientists. It's scientists, their assistants, their lab technicians, their secretaries, their porters etc etc etc
The aliens have arrived !
>>712853855
And you can apply it all the way down the chain. Seriously, I'm guessing you've never worked for the govt they take their shit seriously.
>>712851725
This is the stupidest assumption that has been programmed into humanity by 100 years of bad science fiction on the subject of aliens.
A war between humanity and a hostile alien race would resemble a war between an exterminator and some ants.
Except the exterminator does not need to even breath the same air as the ants, and can act without thought of restraint or consequence.
And the exterminator has access to orbital weaponry.
>>712851962
Why do you think this exactly? The most likely scenario that the most aggressive and xenocidal species to develop space travel first simply exterminated every species it came across with its superior technology and resources.
>>712853844
And no scientists is going to whistle blow by just saying 'ive seen some 'aliens'. They'd wait until they have evidence.
>>712853739
Synthetic lifeforms are only good for so much.
>>712854022
They have or where did the tinfoil nut jobs come from?
>>712854014
That's be implying they didn't run into a bigger and stronger species that could squash them with their even more powerful tech and weapons.
>>712853844
I'm not the person you've been replying to. I'm beginning to think you think your intelligence is higher than it really is.
>with the thousands of people they'd have working on this, the probability of 1 or more coming out with hard evidence is 0
I don't think you're seeing the probability right, anon.
>>712854022
They have several times. They're called conspiracy theorists.
>>712853371
You're doing the big dumb in an alien discussion by assuming that alien intelligences share characteristics with human intelligences when they are by definition alien.
The most we can say about an alien visitor is that they will value their own interests to some degree and will possess technology superior to our own.
The idea that they might want to employ us as a labor force is ridiculous. The industrial and scientific investment of sending a spaceship from star to star is greater than the combined output of our entire species thus far.
>>712854190
I know exactly how high my intelligence is. I don't claim to be the smartest tool in the shed. There are plenty of people way smarter that deserve the recognition they get. I know where I sit on the totem pole.
I know the probability of this they'd keep it small and tightknit. Not have tons of people working on it, that's how you get whistleblowers.
>>712837626
nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKpfjVkmGvA&t
>>712854387
You're assuming a species won't uplift another to do the work it doesn't wanna do.
And yes I'm working on the assumption that the have human like intelligence. It's what I have to work with.
Now of course some ayylmaos will have a different way of intelligence, but that's the exception not the rule.
>>712854158
And hence that species would be reigning supreme.
See, there's not likely to be a bunch of nice space empires with borders and wars in between them over territory. Thats something that is familiar to you since its what all of recorded human history looks like. Remember, we're discussing things which have no parallel in human history.
Every war in space is a total war. The consequence of losing is extermination, or complete subjugation.
Just one species, dominant, destroying anything which could conceivably threaten its own supremacy. Thats what we're likely to find in space.
>>712853976
The long history of government fuck ups, leaks and blunders says otherwise.
>>712854656
On projects with large teams and large amount of workers.
>>712854656
What that duece that lost fingers that thinks he was fighting space niggers in mexico?
>>712854130
>all tinfoil but jobs are scientists
Ok.
>>712854621
I realize that. But that works on the assumption that every space empire wants to conquer everything.
>>712854425
I mean, you have things you can't keep small. Either you use an existing military base that has room, or you build an area for this. The latter has a bunch of contractors and the prior has military people knowing they're not allowed into <place>.
How much material do you have? Is it biological or technological? Biological probably requires some amount of preservation. Technological POTENTIALLY requires more storage and is harder to move undetected.
There's a long list of reasons that massive cover ups like that wouldn't really work. Too many people from start to finish plus the manpower required for upkeep of the lie makes successful mass scale lies really improbable.
>>712854621
>Remember, we're discussing things which have no parallel in human history.
>proceeds to describe human domination of the earth
>>712837626
As long as they believe in God, that's ok.
>>712854856
In 1947 when we barely had radios and TV understood and American patriotism was at an all-time high? No sir I think it's completely believable.
>>712854732
Oh, so alien contact, something that is genuinely momentous and awesome, in the biblical sense of the word, would be dealt with using a small team?
Fuck right off.
>>712854927
But what if they don't believe in OUR god?
>>712854563
>but that's the exception not the rule
>implying there's any way you'd know an unknowable quantity
OR
>implying humans have 10/10 intelligence
You what, anon?
>>712854957
Ayylmaos didn't land to trumpet fare faggot. Roswell, ever heard of it?
So op like stargate macgaver situation aye?
>>712854982
Humans have a pretty fucking efficient way of intelligence.
And hiveminds or other ways of intelligence are rare. Take a look at our ecosystem.
>>712854943
>upkeeping a lie of that scale for nearly 70 years easily
Wat
Back then, sure. Upkeep was easy. The more people come and go, the harder the secret is to keep. The more technology advances, the harder the secret is to keep. With the number of people that have gone through our government that would know of it, the harder is is to keep.
The most likely case of coverup there is they locked it away and threw away the key. And that's more "forgotten knowledge" than cover up, by now.
>>712854563
What work exactly? Scientific and STEM work will obviously be restricted to the primary species. Manual labour would be horribly inefficient since decentralized production in a space empire makes about as much sense as pizza delivery via snail. They could potentially want us for our culture and art, something which certain aliens might value. But by the same token whichever race discovers us might have extremely different tastes and exterminate us for being so backwards.
>>712854916
No, humans domination of the earth is paltry compared to the stakes of a space empire.
Imagine a future humanity reaches the stars, perhaps builds a few colonies in space and even settles a new planet.
Then we discover another species, at the technology level we are at today. This species may be very similar to us or very different, in any case they will reach the stars as assuming we do not stop them. If we form peaceful relations, they will reach the stars faster.
Now as leader of humanity, what do you do? Give them a leg up and hope that they never surpass us in the next 10000000000 years. Or nip them in the bud; nudge a few rocks at their planet and you ensure that by the time they recover, humanity will have thousands of worlds, safe and secure for the rest of time.
The stakes are always extinction or complete domination of all available galactic resources. There can be no in between. A war in space will always lead to one outcome and all relations in space will inevitably lead to war.
>>712855206
>Lets make generalisations about all intelligences based off the intelligences evolved from one evolutionary tree.
>>712846528
This.
Philosophy gives interesting ideas but doesn't provide concrete evidence for said ideas.
>>712855328
Unless it was classified above top secret and was on a need to know basis.
Have you ever worked in the govt? Even benign shit that won't end the world is treated like precious info. So something like this would be out of this world. Literally.
>>712855439
I'm not, but nice try faggot.
>>712852046
You have to think in the timescale of the universe however. We're talking billions of years being like minutes to this void. So I say we are probably as advanced as a cockroach to other life.
>>712855387
Conflict. Why let members of your species die when you can let some backwards idiotic species do the job and trick them into thinking you're doing some good.
>>712855206
><thing> is rare on earth, so it must be rare everywhere
>implying you know something unknowable again
>implying carbon based life is all you need to know of to have an informed decision
Are you ever going to get tired of implying that you have the truth about things that literally can't be known, or what?
Op aliens just come to walk in the wood watch that documentry that Spielberg made
>>712855691
Are you ever gonna get tired of assuming you know?
It's a two way street faggot.
>>712855387
>Imagine a future humanity reaches the stars, perhaps builds a few colonies in space and even settles a new planet
>Imagine a future humanity reaches the islands, perhaps builts a few colonies on them and even settles a new continent
I realize there's a difference of scale, but you're NOT talking about something unparalleled in human history, you're just applying our behavior patterns on earth to everyone (human or not) in space.
>>712837626
because they're space cavemen somewhat more technologically advanced, but just as emotionally and intellectually stupid as humans are.
>>712854966
Then we convert or exterminate them.
>>712855810
DEUS VULT?
>>712855810
FOR ASGARD!
Not saying they aren't real because i know fuck all about anything, but why are you are asking humans on how aliens think? Even if you got a "logical" answer doesn't mean its the aliens logical answer. Is it?
>>712854966
>But what if they don't believe in OUR god?
Dude, I don't believe in "our" (((god))).
Now bend over. We got unfinished bizness.
>>712855781
I'm not assuming I know. I'm stating that there's no way we could know and that you're making assumptions based on what you feel is about right, when the possibilities are more or less endless.
Shit, there are things in Physics we can't prove yet.
Never know if you never go!
>>712855610
You got me there. There's no way an intelligent species could conduct warfare without endangering its own members.
Obviously if you want to exterminatus some xenos in the next star sector you have to stick a bunch of meat onto a rocket, then send that rocket off at relativistic speeds just so they can slow down again and kill the xenos for you. Then turn around and come back, having traveled for potentially thousands of years.
Its not like you could just make rockets that fly into a planet at 50% lightspeed and have the advantage of not having to slow down, being extremely hard to see coming and next to impossible to intercept.
>>712855785
The difference is the savages you find are actually not human. And if your colonies fail, everyone in your country dies.
>>712855861
DEUS VULT!
>>712856044
>Rocket
See now you're thinking so 2d it's a shame. Rockets are barbaric. If a species can develop FTL and uplift species, they have reusable craft.
>>712855884
BY MJOLNIR!!!
>>712856162
You don't build reusable craft to kamikaze a planet, anon.
You're missing the point here. If you can FTL vehicle, you can FTL weapon.
>>712855785
...and during the age of exploration, how did first contact with the natives of newly colonized lands nearly always turn out?
>>712855916
I'll make you believe
>>712856132
DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT! DEUS VULT!
>>712856274
WE WILL TAKE JERUSALEM!
>>712856238
Except your weapon can't be used if it explodes on impact. If they have a decentralized production line and can manipulate species and FTL, they can spare a few space craft to conquer and subjugate with a lesser species.
>>712856379
>your weapon can't be used if it explodes on impact
What is a bomb?
What is a bullet?
What is a suicide car bomb?
ITT:
>don't make assumptions about the limitations of alien life and technology, and why they probably haven't visited Earth!
>now here are my assumptions about why they have visited Earth...
>>712837626
You're a fucking idiot
Happy Thanksgiving
>>712856162
Oh sure, if they can break the laws of physics they can do it even better. They dont even need to come here themselves. They can just throw rocks from their home system at 99% the speed of light. At this speed even paper has the ballistic impact of a black hole. With this kind of power you could kill a star with a marshmallow.
God help us if FTL is possible. Because then, all bets are off. It wont take thousands of years to exterminate a species. It will be even quicker.
>>712856529
how many years i've wanted to say this at the dinner table.
>>712856270
Bend over baby! I gots a load of belief needs sharin.
>>712856367
Nos amovebimus de spurca ex Holyland nasci!
>>712856458
>What is a living being that goes splat when it hits a physical object going too fast.
>>712856541
Dude, drop the FTL flinging object. No species is going to do it. It's barbaric and too risky to do.
>>712856379
>they can spare a few space craft to conquer and subjugate with a lesser species
If you had an ant hill in your garden, how would you choose to deal with it?
a) Destroy it (dig it up, burn it, poison it, etc)
b) Ignore it
c) Visit a colony of termites, develop a method of communication and establish contact with their leaders. Convince the termites that by joining you and attacking the ants they'll be doing a good and honorable thing. Give the termites tiny weapons you designed and built with your own money, and train them to attack the ants. Put the termites in your car and transport them to the ant hill for the attack. Once they've killed all the ants, invite the termites to come and live in your house as part of your family.
>>712856751
scientists were concerned that the atom bomb might ignite the atmosphere
>>712856697
I think I figured out your problem here.
I'm saying "if you can build an FTL ship, you can build an FTL weapon" and you're hearing "they can just ram us with their manned spaceship at the speed of light".
So, basically, you're an idiot.
Let me explain this at a more simple level:
>accelerate to 90% lightspeed
>deploy bowling ball
>decelerate
>bowling ball continues at 90% lightspeed
>bowling ball destroys entire planet
>ship never even enters the solar system
>>712856923
Fuck you and your point.
HOLY SHIT "C" IS THE ONLY ANSWER!
Rool of cool, yo.
>>712856751
Barbaric. Again, applying human terms to unknowable intelligences.
IF it can work, why wouldn't they do it? If I can think of it then surely Gel'kor, Scourge of the Milky way might think of it too.
Lets look at it from your side; lets assume that there is currently peace among FTL spacefaring ayy lamos.
Perhaps there's some; "GALACTIC KINDERGARTEN TEACHER SPECIES" with extremely advanced technology which enforces peace on every other species.
Now, some ayy lamos dont like being told not to exterminatus other xenos. So they build a fleet of FTL capable, planet busting craft (not hard, theoretically a FTL capable craft can destroy planets simply by flying past them). All they need is enough ships to bum rush the Kindergarten teacher aliens planets and space stations. Sure, they might have a million, but eventually a determined species can build a million doomsday ships.
Then, using the convenience of FLT travel they simultaneously (I do mean simultaneously. Once you have FTL you can conceivably attack a million targets in the same second) exterminate the kindergarten teachers. Now they are the overlords of the galaxy, and since they already have a fleet of death machines, there's nothing to stop them from wiping out all their compeditors. Ching chong chang. Bish Bash Bosh.
>>712856379
who needs spare craft to ferry armies when sir isaac newton is the deadliest son of a bitch in space?
>>712856751
Pretty sure someone said this exact same thing about cannons back in the age of chivalry.
Do you know what happens to your side of a war when you don't fight barbarically and the other side does? You lose. Remember the British making proper military formations on a battlefield while the "barbaric" colonists fired rifles from behind trees? Remember the "barbaric" Vietcong wiring children with explosives and sending them running into GI camps? Remember "barbaric" Jihadis suicide-ramming airliners into office buildings? Remember "barbaric" suicide vests?
War is already barbaric. If you're in a war, you do whatever it takes to win. Refusing to use a highly effective tactic just because it's barbaric is plain stupid.
>>712857320
Especially since any loss is preferable to extinction.
If humans started to colonise space we will be like niggers trying to get into eroupe aye? Lol
>>712857277
>EVEN IF YOU MISS THE PROJECTILE WILL CONTINUE UNTIL IT HITS A TARGET
>IT MIGHT BE IN A MILLION YEARS FROM NOW BUT REMEMBER
>WHEN YOU FIRE THIS WEAPON YOU ARE RUINING SOMEBODY'S DAY
Best thread I have seen on /b/ in many many years.
What is this intelligent discussion, it is so confusing.
something is always dispatched when an alien tries to abduct a human but it is usually the police
>>712857320
nobles of the middleage actually tried to get the crossbow made elegal - the argument they used was that it was unfair that a peasant with no armor should be able to kill a nobelman with...
u can't stop technological evolution.
>>712857632
illegal -.-
>>712844385
not necessarily, just means that whatever we think aliens are, they're probably completely different.
It's for alien veterinarian school. You could dissect a pig online but it's much better to do it in person
>>712838978
Quotes aren't evidence. Testimonials are worthless. Kill yourself
>>712857039
Wait. He didn't get that >>712856044 was sarcastic when he said intelligent species cant fight with machines and posted a picture of a drone.
>>712837626
They are just trying to understand what they created, us. AIso your reasoning is retarded.
>>712857812
We aren't dealing with particularly intelligent people here
>>712857784
I love to suck all of the cocks, all of the time
~Anon
>>712857984
Stop the planet I want to get off.
But seriously though my money is on most galactic oppressors being AI's. They're perfect for the role since they can easily live in space, survive most attempts to dislodge their settlements and have the highest potential for being aggressive and self sacrificing enough to 'win' a war of extermination. Not to mention the many other potential advantages of machine intelligence.
>>712858126
>can't think of argument, better call him gay
Ayyyyyyyyyyyy fucking lmaaaaaoooooo aliums r real guyz
-fox mulder
>>712858381
Quotes aren't evidence
>>712858455
Guys I think op is broken
>>712858334
Hell, if FTL is actually possible like this joker thinks it is then there might be ONE supergalactic oppressor, waiting patiently for our radio signals to reach one of its countless appendages and then boom boom.
It would certainly explain why we don't see any signs of development in our own galaxy. Perhaps the oppressor has a galaxy of its own off somewhere full of dyson spheres and further development is moot.
>>712858334
pic indirectly related
>>712837626
what makes you think that they are immediately advanced what if they're behind
>>712858381
the irony of anon's post is wasted on your feeble mind
>>712858693
Autistic op btfo
An entire 100+ post about aliens and not one mention of the fermi paradox. I'm disappointed in you guys.
God the fucking science fiction rhetoric in this thread is autistic.
1. Aliens are incredibly likely to exist, that's why there is an international team of people actively looking for signs of them, they are called SETI. This however does imply that it's highly improbable, yet possible that aliens do not exist.
2. Why would aliens who (must've) figured out some kind of FTL propulsion, be stupid enough to be seen by humans at all? The amount of technological advancement to reach FTL propulsion is unimaginable and if aliens had this technology, they most likely would have it perfected before they tried traveling to a part of space where something can observe them. Thus the government most likely has never seen or heard of real aliens.
3. Most alien abductions can be explained by a phenomenon called "an out of body experience" or "astral projection" when one is asleep. Have you ever experienced or heard of sleep paralysis? Sleep paralysis is in the same vein as "astral projection" or "OBEs". Someone can train their mind and body in a form of meditation to be half asleep and half awake and then your subconscious brain and conscious brain do some really fucking weird shit. A very common experience people have doing this is being abducted by aliens, see also DMT trips. Now my ultimate point here is that on rare occasions someone can accidentally slip into these weird states of mind and experience what feels like an alien abduction, and that is what 99% of alien abduction stories sound like after reading up on sleep paralysis / out of body experience stuff.
4. If aliens of this caliber exist, you simply cannot know their intentions, because any assumption you make about their intentions is 100% human biased. So go on, discuss aliens, it is a really interesting and important topic, but stop being so fucking stupid about it.
>>712858767
>projecting: the post
>>712858767
Confirmed, I am afraid that your IQ is less than 100.
>>712858772
>I'm disappointed in you guys.
an entire 100+ thread on /b/ about aliens and it hasn't devolved into people posting trap porn and spamming copypasta, and you're disappointed?
>>712858772
great filters have been discussed in this thread, they're an answer to the fermi paradox. nobody used the name , but it's been part of the thread.
>>712858818
>>712858859
Says the samefagging ayy lmao believer
I hope ayliums hate niggers as much as I do
>>712859037
what if you're a nigger to ayliums?
>>712859322
Then real niggers would be double niggers
Hey, any alien visited Earth, the ones we call aliens are in fact humans.
They are humans from the future, they have evolved, no hair, no muscle, no niggers, only intelligence. They travel in time with their "UFO", but can't go to other galaxies. In the future there are a special group that fixes problems goint to the past and doing little things to change the future.
They are not allowed to be discovered. But they have comunication with government.
>>712860499
>not allowed to be discovered
>i discovered them
sounds legit
Someone might have already posted these thoughts earlier in the thread - I can't look through all 200 posts before the thread autosages and probably 404's so feel free to ignore these points if they have already been pointed out and adequately answered earlier in the thread.
The technology to make interstellar travel a normal thing also, by extension, allows us to make relatavistic bombs - chunks of rock or metal sped up to relatavistic velocities (say 1/10th the speed of light or so, probably much less) and pointed at a planet makes for an undetectable, unavoidable, planet destroying missile. To put it into metaphorical terms:
Take yourself and 1000 other people, and place them at random intervals over a large area- forest, park, doesn't really matter. Everyone has a pea shooter that, when fitted with a pebble and shot at a person, will 99.999% of the time, kill that person, or leave them cripplingly fucked up at the very least. They can use any of the thousands of pebbles around the area as ammunition and you can never disarm anyone of the weapon short of killing them. Now you let all these people loose with no objective but to survive at any cost. What exactly would be the motive to allow any other person to exist knowing that they all could easily end your life at any time and you could not stop them? What person in their right mind and possessed of a normal drive and desire to live would do anything but kill everyone they find to ensure their own survival insteadm?
>>712860568
and? you are only another crazy man that claims he got abducted or saw aliens.
>>712861509
where did i say that?
bumping, I don't want this thread to die
>>712860997
Here's another perspective for you. They have evolved enough to transverse the universe correct?. Do you really think in all this time they haven't met plenty of other life? Seeing as they have this incredible ability. I see it like this, they have long since come to the conclusion that whatever life it is, still spawns from the same void they do. Thus we are all the same thing, you go around destroying everything, you're only destroy yourself. Who wants to be the only race in a predicted infinite void anyway? Why not indoctrinate this into other intelligent life along the way and it continues like this. Just a thought!
>>712862417
same
>>712862503
who cares when you can just annhilate them after scanning their DNA into your super advanced computers and run harmless simulations of them instead and still be the big king of galactic shiticutty?
>>712837626
>MUH OPINIONS
>>712862503
That would be great I agree. But as I mentioned, as soon as they take us (or any other hypothetical species) at our word about not destroying them and letting them teach us and whatnot, there wouldn't really be anything stopping us from blowing up all their planets as soon as they turned their back. They would have to trust many more species than just us, and all those species would have to place huge amounts of trust in each other as well, because all it would take is one overly paranoid dictator in one single species to annihilate all the rest. That's a huge risk to take in the hopes of peaceful cooperation.
>>712837626
Alien abductions are not real.
I have at least two theories about it.
1. Aliens are real but are peacefull beings with high tecnology, but not warfare tecnology.
Our government is abudcting people to convince the humans to wage war agains't these peacefull aliens.
2. Aliens are not real and abductions are being made by a jewish occultist organization with the intention to use the blood of abudctees to make their life spam longer. Focus on young victims.
Read about blood libels in Europe(and ME too). (((They))) it's just a myth, but I doubt it. They probably just got more advanced now
>>712862972
The second theory is the most reasonable
>>712844106
>_we_ don't abduct people.
so, you just probe de anus and release them back into the wild?
>>712862788
But why? What makes you think they need or want or have to annhilate. Like I said they have evolved past this. Because they see the obvious conclusion that either way, annhilation or not, they are still there and made their mark. They are extremely advanced and can understand that by the time a species reaches the level to be a threat to them, they will have also become intelligent enough to realize the same thing. Sadly humans still haven't evolved past this thinking which is why "hurr durr death and kill boom boom" is still brought into every equation concerning this shit every time.
>>712862908
But what you are failing to see is that if everyone is all on a level playing field and at equality, there will be no need to destroy. There will be nothing to gain from doing such.
>>712837626
ayy lemo
>>712863661
Has any dictator in the past really NEEDED to kill anyone? The illusion of that need is enough for any overly paranoid person or people to take extreme measures to protect themselves. Of course it's not justified in hindsight but that doesn't, or rarely, matters in the heat of the moment.
>>712864127
I don't see how a past dictator has any relevance to this. Once again we are talking about HIGHLY intelligent life at this point. They have long evolved past killing. Because like stated previously, if you have nothing to gain or anywhere further to go, you are hyper advanced. Why remove what is essentially base level yourself?
FUCK ALIENS
I got so tired when they would come in and rape my ass.
Seemed to always be around the holidays too, when family was visiting. None of them believed me, used to piss me off when my uncles would sit there and laugh when I would tell them at the breakfast table.
>>712848922
Yes, that is plausible. I mean we live in comic-book fairy tales and harry potter like magic spells and all, but what if, WE are the advanced civilization.
I further speculate that our planet is special in so many ways, such as our large moon tbat stabilizes our planet. Without it life doesn't have a chance to establish itself.
Or maybe we are the "lifeboat" and are the last civilization left, which is why there are no signals from others.
The fact that all the other planets are so different than ours should and can be extrapolated to our isolation in this universe.
>>712864927
They're laughing because it's them.
>>712864654
It's relevant because if you're running around the universe introducing yourself to hundreds or thousands of beings that are less advanced than yourself, those species may wish to destroy you to save themselves. Even if a species has "evolved past killing" that doesn't mean all the other species in the universe have done the same. They would risk getting destroyed by every species they introduce themselves to, by assuming THOSE species won't try to kill them.
>>712864995
Yep your right we're all alone in what is thought to be an infinite thing, with way more than trillions of planets. There are predicted over 100 billion in just our galaxy... It's also estimated that there are over 100 billion galaxies. Yeah we're all alone in this one hahaha.
>>712865056
Wait...wut?
I have to think about this for a bit.....
>>712865124
I don't understand how you don't get it, if they are at the level they are, nobody poses a threat. Like I said, they will only pose a threat once they can reach that level. Which by that time they are also at the same intelligence. Bringing us once again to the conclusion that you make no sense.
>>712862972
>life spam
>>712863216
don't you?
>>712865599
All you have to do is throw a rock really fast at a planet and poof, billions dead. Literally impossible to NOT have advanced enough technology to be able to fuck with them.
>>712849220
But what if we ARE the advanced civilization? I mean things could have went south quickly if the dinosaurs hadn't been wiped out, maybe society never would have banded together to make scientific discoveries, instead led a life of hand to mouth, because they lived under a sharia law type society that killed all educators and discouraged higher thinking?
Anyways another point is how fast civilizations quickly ramp up, deplete their resources and then die out. I agree with Hawking's view that humans only have around a thousand years left. On that scale there may be many planets that were inhabited but their citizens died out through calamity (a metor hitting them) or some internal calamity (nuclear war for example)
>>712837626
Here's a face-to-face encounter witness from 1954
Excellent interview!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-3Ka7oQbLA
>>712865391
Yes, but a lot of those planets are in very hazardous locations, we are in a quiet backwater of an arm of the milky way galaxy.
Plus, there has never been a repeatable signal from another society? If they were so advanced with "warp" speed craft, you think that they would have sent some signal by now. And how about these people that get "visited" by ailiens, always some crack-pot faggot in the middle of nowheres.
You watch too much star trek
>>712866378
How do you know there aren't plenty of major civilizations out there that interact? Maybe there are treaties in place not allowing less advanced worlds to be interacted with, you really have no clue. Same goes for me as well, but just remember there is nothing wrong with having an open mind.
>>712849496
Or there civilization may have already come and gone.
For example lets look at Mars, 3.8 billion years ago, perhaps life flourished, advanced craft were built ready to go to the blue marble looking planet and all of a sudden their planet got hit, with their magnetic field destroyed abd their atmosphere and liquid water disappearing, war breaks out about who will board the spacecraft. In the end after all the killing the only three people left were a prostitute (eve) and a jew (adam) and a guy named judas. Judas didn't think the craft would work, So he declined as he would "push the button". He asked the couple to make a pyramid on earth so that he could see they arrived safely, lolz. If you don't reply to this your mother will choke on the turkey's wishbone and die at the table.
>>712867115
you watch too much star trek faggot
>>712864654
what if they are so advanced all they do is live in their basement of their mom's house in some foreign galaxy and shitpost on /b on 56k dial-up?
>>712856379
How about quite simply poluting the fresh water supply or introducing a biological warfare agent. Personally they could do it by making people so fat and obese that they die out, like addicting people to coke or pepsi
>>712867210
Fuck you
>>712867210
>>712869111
what is that from? also behold those digits.
>>712837626
>molecule sized drone
are you retarded
>>712869261
https://youtu.be/fSMtWngABjE
>>712869447
thanks brew
Ufos are real, but not connected to alien abductions.
UFOs came and people got scared.
The CIA realized this would be a good opportunity.
They gave people LSD, dressed up as aliens, abducted them and did experiments.
They implemented alien abduction stories in the news and media in order to discredit anyone that talks about it. See MK Ultra and Project Mockingbird
UFOs on the other hand are unmanned.
>>712869610
Nothing, good watch
>>712869653
this seems plausible to me
>>712838007
Make you think
>>712870152
That's a theory my uncle came up with.
According to him he already had a tolerance to it so noticed the sloppy details while all the other people in town freaked out due to all the abduction stories. You visit a prostitute and suddenly you wake up somewhere completely out of your mind and the "aliens" tell you "the gun is good" over and over again.
Most likely he was bullshitting me, because he only ever brought it up after I already mentioned UFOs and he had time to read up on the topic
I still like it because it sounds so plausible. Allen abductions are actually just normal abductions.
>>712838007
And visible UFOs are just teenager aliens stealing their parents car to make alien love in front of earth and to get drunk in alien booze.
Roswell became an integral part of the biggest alien anti drinking campaign. "see that's what happens when you drink alien booze and drive. Now we've got to destroy a whole planet with class 1 intelligence in order to get rid of the evidence before the space police notice it"
>>712870680
what about all the hair dwarfs, goblin looking fuckers and other random aliens that people described in the 50s to 70s?
>>712837626
They just REALLY like probing your anus!
