Why are most atheists insufferable pseudo-intellectuals? I've met a few rational ones that are cool about it, but a vast majority are literal fedoras.
Hey asshole my ass is flapping the breeze here. Do you seriously think I should do this. Do you need your head examined?
You're such a prick you know that. Are you really going to sit here and say that this isn't a blatent abuse of the privilege when they pull this bullshit. I literally don't want to call them right now.
You can do anything. You can do cs you can do law boy you can sure lay it on thick but when it comes down to it you're be a fucking loosed.
>>712593225
get acquainted with psychology. otherwise fuck off.
>>712593575
>>712593553
>>712593415
I forgot /b/ was a hotspot for high school level "freethinkers" that rationalize being edgy losers by simply being too intellectual for interaction with others.
>>712593225
Pic related? Cuz you look like an asshole yourself.
I refuse to associate myself with that of an impudent zealot. Maybe one day you may also evacuate the shackles of organized religion, my anonymous acquaintance. Its funny, really.
The superstitious dim bulbs that believe in the Abrahamic religions are the source of most of the worlds problems, and do incredibly stupid shit to set humanity back to the dark ages for some reason.
The Muslims are the worst, but Christians and their passive-aggressive are also pretty good at repressing modern science and human rights. The kikes don't give a shit as long as they're collecting gold and using the goyim like livestock.
I like to ask Christians about how God created man in HIS own image, and why they say God the FATHER. That implies that God has a dick, and therefor, there must be a Mrs. God, or at least some kinda intergalactic slut he can pork.
I've read the whole bible, and it's strangest mishmash of total crap committed to print. Very few so-called Christians know anything about their religion; they're just sheep listening to jackasses that take their money and tell them they're fucked if they don't tithe to the Lord, then spend their cash on themselves.
kek, what a bunch of fucking rubes.
>>712593225
i dunno man probably because God is some sort of legendary idea; opposing such an idea almost makes you a pseudo-intellectual as it makes you like a fuckin contrarian
God. You know, the lot of you in here call others with different beliefs impudent, unintelligent, and insufferable but reading any of each of your responses is incredibly jarring. You're all so hypocritical. None of you are higher beings with opinions worth more than anyone else's. "Insufferable pseudo-intellectuals," "get acquainted with psychology," "evacuate the shackles of organized religion." How pretentious can you be?!
>>712593225
Sec. Will write an honest answer with myself as an analogy.
It's good that you've at least met some rational ones. Like with anything, people get can caught up in groups and ideas for the wrong reasons and become egotistical about it.
>>712596501
>the lot of you in here call others with different beliefs impudent, unintelligent, and insufferable
Read the old testament: it's all about animal sacrifice to please the creator of the universe. As if the creator of the universe needs some of its creations hacking up some of it's other creations to be pleased.
Doesn't that sound pretty fucking ignorant and ridiculous to you?
>>712596062
God does have a dick. He has nads, too. Big ones. Very, very big ones.
>>712593225
Part 1/2
The reason why most atheists are pretentious, pseudo-intellectuals is the result of two scenarios.
Scenario 1: The atheist is raised in a secular family household that does not represent the facets of what a religious household would adhere to. Essentially, the atheist, upon growing up into his teenage years, sees the bullshit around him and is extremely perturbed to the point of undefined fury. Usually, after studying the principles of Logic and Reasoning along with a few Philosophy lessons, the atheist becomes even more enraged when he/she sees that the people who believe in organized religion have no backing or support with which to stand on. when confronted with solid Logic along with well-reasoned counterarguments. Most religious types would fall back on "It's the word of God it must be true!" or "You'll burn in hell with thinking like that.". They either don't confront the argument or try to curb it off into the side-lanes of thought.
Basically, in scenario one, the atheist is raised to be an atheist and gets furious with all of the bullshit reasoning that people (hypocrites) use to slander the non-believers.
Scenario 2 coming up next. This is where I will use my analogy of myself.
>>712593225
This is bait
>>712593225
Because having a strong opinion on something and not containing it to your own thoughts makes you an insufferable faggot. Super religious or super anti religious, either side is annoying.
Being complacent in not giving a shit or paying attention at all is the least impactful position to have.
>>712597842
>Because having a strong opinion on something and not containing it to your own thoughts makes you an insufferable faggot
Yeah Steven Hawking should have just STFU. Why should humanity progress? We need to squash science before we have to fucking understand how things work, or other tedious bullshit.
>>712593225
>>712597650
Part 2/2
The second scenario goes something like this.
The person is raised in a religious household for the good part of their teenage and young adult life. Usually adhering to the rules and principles of whatever religion that they were raised to believe in. That is, until they come across what true Logic and Reasoning, which, is normally confronted in upper high school levels or college levels of thought. That person reads more into whatever religion that they were brought up in, and then dissects that religion to reveal all of the bullshit that resides in it. They get pissed, really fucking pissed... and sort of, turn inward with sharp outbursts to society for having been lied to for a quarter of their life.
The atheist was raised in a religious household, essential been lied to, and find out that what they believe in and have been taught to believe in was crap for eh better part of their prime years of life.
I was one of those people.
I was raised in a christian household with lax rules on what was to be tradition. We celebrated Easter, Christmas, the whole lot of the well-known holidays that are used for religious worship. I prayed every night to God that he would, and I quote "Protect everyone that I have or have not known, and to expel all demons in this household and in this country and in this world." AND "God... if I ever become an Atheist... kill me."
The belief in this supreme being overrode my thought process's and essentially made me into a walking religious sponge, where, whatever someone told me is what I believed in for my religion.
"Oh you're going to hell if you have sex outside of marriage!", they so heavily chanted. "Oh if you don't hate gays and if you are gay then you go straight to hell to burn in the Lake of Fire!".
The belief in something so powerful, like an afterlife, led me down a spiral of depression. I slowly and reassuringly told myself that things would get better.
>>712597842
Very true. And it's important to remember that most of the people that are open enough about their atheism or theism who you meet in life are likely to be a bit extreme or confronting.
Nothing necessarily wrong with voicing your position on religion though, and it's possible to do it such a way that you don't come across as annoying.
>>712597650
>atheists are pretentious, pseudo-intellectuals
>I will use my analogy of myself.
Kek.
>>712593225
Ya know, silent majority and all that. I don't give a shit what anyone believes and so do most people.
>>712593225
Toupee fallacy. You know the insufferable pseudo-intellectuals are atheists because they're loud and tell you what they are. For all you know, every person who doesn't mention their religious beliefs to you are atheists.
Most atheists aren't insufferable pseudo-intellectuals, or at least most of us are decent at keeping a fucking lid on it. Most atheists YOU KNOW to be atheists are insufferable pseudo-intellectual.
Everyone respect each others' rights to belief. Please and thank you.
>>712598364
I didn't take him to mean everyone including Stephen Hawking are annoying. I think he's more or less talking about the everyday people that you meet who will awkwardly push an agenda onto you, religious or non-religious.
In other words, there's a time and place for everything. Stephen Hawkings work on science is suited to his career and goals in life, while some edgy fedora-wearing teen bragging about his intellectual superiorty isn't necessary or all welcomed by the rest of society.
>>712597222
I've read the Old Testament. It's an ancient text that I believe even in the context of religion should not be taken entirely literally. I can't think of a text that old that doesn't require some interpretation as time goes on and circumstances of old no longer apply to the present. I mean, how should I know if that principle is ridiculous? If there is a being out there that is comparable to what we call a god, what would I know about its intentions, whims, and wants? It's would be a being of indescribable power... I can't reason out any strange desires for something that would be beyond my physical comprehension. As for ignorance, I only see such things as ignorant when people forcibly throw proven science out the window in order to follow literal interpretations of religious texts. I am personally very against that sort of denial of truth. Still, you reason your argument out as calmly and professionally as you can. You give actual reasons instead of claiming superiority immediately and just claiming superior intelligence to the other person (even if that superiority is quite apparent to you)
>>712598488
To continue on the topic of my depression...
>The belief in something so powerful, like an afterlife, led me down a spiral of depression. I slowly and reassuringly told myself that things would get better.
And that's what I thought. That is what my thought process was like. That things would be better for me in the future without me doing anything about it. That, no matter the pain, suffering, consequences that existed in this world, there would always be a better one in heaven.
Needless to say, after studying Philosophy and re-reading the bible treating it not as a metaphor but as an actual rule-book guide to the world... I was confounded.My belief system crumbled under the intense weight that was the numerous fallacies within the Bible. I felt lost. I felt betrayed and I felt lonely. More lonely than I ever had, even when believing that I had God on my side.
Things got better.
As time went on by, I started to pursue my studies and activities. I started to ACTUALLY do my part in improving on myself, "knowing" that it was highly likely that there would be no afterlife.
So I stepped up my game on everything that I did.
And that's how I got a D+ in Spanish 2.
When people figure out that religion is horse shit they react in all kinds of ways, one of which is the urge to share their discovery. That's why you get cringey faggots ranting about it before they realize that it's a sensitive and personal topic that they ought to,shut up about
>>712593225
People naturally shit on others to make themselves feel better, especially when depressed, and lack of belief makes people less happy
>>712598690
Yeah yeah yeah.
I'd like to think of myself as not being a pseudo-intellectual. I don't pursue knowledge for the status (albeit it does help for moral purposes). I go to gather knowledge for usage in making this world a better place.
>>712598726
Probably this. You come across many loud, obnoxious bible thumpers, gays, "enlightened" fedora tippers, etc. who hold that one piece of their identity as the one they have to shove in everyone's face. Then, there are people who are deeply religious, or atheist, or gay, etc. that you would never know unless something came up that revealed it or if you spent enough time with them.
Some people are massive faggots about their identity and beliefs, and others are not.
>>712598791
Why don't you just wander on down to the nearest airport and buy yourself a ticket (or rather suck off as many people as you can in order to get the money), and go to a Middle Eastern country like Palestine or Syria, and let's see how much you respect other peoples' religious views when they make you read from a note-card on live television, about to saw off your head with a rusty eastern sword.
2/10 for making me reply to obvious bait.
>>712599259
>I'd like to think of myself as not being a pseudo-intellectual.
> I go to gather knowledge for usage in making this world a better place.
kek, look up "pretentious," please.
>>712598980
Bottom line is we don't know if it's being literal or not in anything it is saying. The fact that it claims a creator exists which cares about humanity makes all the other crazy stories within the Bible suddenly more likely to be claims of truth as well.
It's convenient to say the God part is literal yet every other unlikely story in the Bible is just poetry with many different interpretations.
>>712599675
I don't see a problem.
I go to college in order to fulfill my dreams, that dream being to advance technology, especially that of the nano-kind.
You may think that I do not possess those type of "talents, importance and/or cultural significances", but I know who I am and what I intend to be in the future.
Why would you think of me as being pretentious?
You could make the claim that everyone on /b/ is a pseudo-intellectual faggot, to which you would be included, and although I can't prove that I'm not over the internet, I can if you would meet me in person.
Seems that we are at an impasse.
>>712599837
>It's convenient to say the God part is literal yet every other unlikely story in the Bible is just poetry with many different interpretations.
Christians say that the Holy Bible is the word of God. It is either 100% true, or it is total superstitious bullshit.
Read it and decide yourself.
I did.
>>712599674
Why don't you get behind the fact that you are living in a first world country and and are not subject to those extenuating circumstances? Unless of course you are.
>>712600141
>Seems that we are at an impasse.
You still don't understand the term "pretentious," you dumb faggot.
Kek.
I've yet to meet other atheists IRL
>>712599075
>That things would be better for me in the future without me doing anything about it. That, no matter the pain, suffering, consequences that existed in this world, there would always be a better one in heaven.
That is the belief of many new age spiritual movements, that you can just sit and ask God to sort all of your shit out, and he will.
God's basic rule is to do things with good intentions, TRY to do good, TRY at everything and ask him to help you. If you fuck up, and you will, ask forgiveness and for his help in not fucking up. Don't be scared, just make sincere efforts. Actions can be good or bad, but man is judged on his intentions, and even those good intentions can lead to bad outcomes, which is why you are supposed to ask for guidance. People who throw around the fire and brimstone rhetoric to scare, and not help those who have slipped, are being dicks or are misguided.
I don't blame many atheists, though, many people who run bible study groups, or anything like that, usually do not have enough knowledge themselves to educate people about the bible. Some are almost the opposite extreme of the "enlightened" know-it-all atheist
>>712600334
Where are you from?
>>712600238
That point that I live in a first world country does nothing to aid your argument. People can practice whatever religion they want, wherever they want to, it still doesn't change the fact that the person's religion is poison.
People here in the U.S. practice Islam, but it still doesn't change what Islam tells them to do. It does, however, "limit" them by having bad consequences if they were to indeed practice their religion to its fullest extent.
I understand that in a perfect world, there would be liberty and equality for all... but for you to make the claim that I should just respect a religion because it is different from my own, while that religion is quite literally murderous or teaches murderous dogma to the point of brainwashing, is absurd.
>mfw atheists think everything we see around us, all the galaxies in the world just appeared out of nowhere
>>712600694
Look the way I see it, it doesn't matter what you believe. What matters is what you do. So isis can believe anything they want but when they start threatening innocent people its time to take action.
>>712600315
I'm afraid that you are mistaken.
I understand completely what the word "pretentious" entails.
You don't understand that I can't not seem pretentious over the internet. It is much too hard for me demonstrate this over such a limited platform that is based off of mere words with no emotion or sarcastic to input.
For me not to be pretentious I would have to dumb down my wording... and why would I want to compromise my individual self concerning the way in which I speak, just for a misguided individual to feel better about himself because he can understand the wording better?
tldr: I'm not compromising my way of talking for an individual faggot to understand my way of speaking. Get a better education.
>>712595176
As a fellow atheist, you are what gives us our bad reputation. Make the same points, but in a way that doesn't make you sound like a pretentious asshole. And for Christ's sake (irony intended) if no one asks you about it shut the fuck up and keep your lips sealed tight. We're becoming more boastful than the vegans.
>>712600315
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>>712601034
I agree with you to an extent, but I cannot help but see all of the misguidance that religion shoves down people's throats, especially at such an early age in development when the person, at such a young age, is so impressionable.
Religion makes good people do bad things using faulty Logic and Reasoning.
I personally think that the world would be, overall, a better place without Religion.
Yeah, we'd miss out on all of the good choir music, the artwork, the quiet spaces in which to conclude out thoughts in, the beautiful architecture... but, I don't believe that those things are even close to equivalent to what the world would be like without them. We also would miss out on the question "What is a God?", and although this question has helped out Philosophy and the growth of thought, I still stand by my former point.
>>712593225
bc most people are insufferable pseudo-intellectuals ,atheism has little to do with it
>>712601570
>>712601121
Not the person were to just a disclaimer.
It is very easy to tell if someone is pretentious online. The phrasing of their writing and the extent of their vocabulary are the main indicators. Don't get me wrong; you can have a good vocabulary and not be a jackass, but when you shoot
>...to compromise my individual self concerning the way in which I speak
out of your ass, everyone knows your an idiot. That phrase has zero flow, and it seems like you went out of your way to make yourself sound intelligent. Pathetic.
And even if you are somewhat smart, there is absolutely no downsides to talking like a normal person instead of a prissy frat boy. Basic vocabulary allows your argument to be understood by a much larger scope of people, which maximizes its influence. So if you would please, stop being a faggot.
Kek
>>712601751
Terry Crews, good to see you
>>712601599
Why are you capitalizing words at random you fucking downy?
>>712602629
Not random, intelligently designed.
>>712593225
Fuck you chenk
>>712601599
I respect your beliefs.
>>712601725
Agreed. Atheism just gives them the perfect platform to shout sheeple.
Why the fuck would an atheist even want people to stop believing in their religion. I'm an atheist, and have not once engaged in a discussion of that sort. Religion is all things considered a mostly positive influence here in the US, and that's not something we should try to take away from people.
>>712602427
By George! Now this is pretentious. Hath anyone seen such pretentiousness on the God's green earth 'for today?
>>712593225
Dan cenk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0jrpkAuSbY&t=32s
>>712602742
My bad, its hard for those of us who don't have autism to get inside your head.
>>712593225
I didn't think about that. It really gets the noggin going. Christianity is all about the love. Why tear me down? You know?
>>712593225
I wouldn't say that most atheists are insufferable pseudo-intellectuals. But there are atheists who are very loud about being insufferable pseudo-intellectuals.
Over the past five or ten years, a lot of US public schools have been teaching that 'unthinking and unquestioning acceptance of atheism and abiogenesis through darwinian evolution is the highest form of critical thinking.' As a result, there is a vocal minority of insufferable pseudo-intellectual atheists who make all atheists look bad.
There is also a vocal minority of Christians who are insufferable, but that doesn't stand out much. I know Christians, Jews, Muslims, and atheist are extremely intelligent. I've also met a lot of atheists and Christians who are not terribly bright, but think they're bright because they buy into a dogma ("I never question what I've been told to believe, so I'm smarter than anyone who thinks critically").
>>712603019
Nice mock kek.
It doesn't change the fact that every one of your posts in this thread so far makes it seem like you're jacking off to Mozart.
>>712602427
>And even if you are somewhat smart, there is absolutely no downsides to talking like a normal person instead of a prissy frat boy.
I use an extended vocabulary in order to exclude those who I wouldn't feel necessary in conversing with.
A.k.a., if you think that I'm a pretentious faggot for using big words, you are the people that I'm trying to avoid because it is blatantly obvious that we would never have a civil discussion.
>...to compromise my individual self concerning the way in which I speak
I did not pull that phrase out of my ass, albeit, I do agree with you that it can be improved. If I would have taken more time in constructing the sentence, it would've sounded a lot better.
>For me not to be pretentious I would have to dumb down my wording... and why would I want to compromise my individual self concerning the way in which I speak, just for a misguided individual to feel better about himself because he can understand the wording better?
Should've been reconstructed like this.
For me not to sound pretentious I would have to dumb down the wording. I am not willing to compromise on this because it is the way in with which I speak. I will not alter the way that I speak in order to suit those who cannot understand what I am saying. I treat myself with a respect that is much higher than that of a stranger on the internet, especially a stranger on 4chan.
And perhaps I am not that intelligent to begin with either. My main focus in school was Sciences and Mathematics, not English and Literature. I have a poor understanding of how to structure a sentence by using nouns, adjectives, verbs... shit like that. I just go with my flow so-to-speak.
By not using a basic vocabulary... see my first point.
If I were to try and maximize its influence, I would've used it, trust me.
>>712603373
longest post so far congrats
>>712603373
>I treat myself with a respect that is much higher than that of a stranger on the internet
Pretentious, self identified.
Pic related.
>>712603755
Wrecked tho
>>712602950
It's not so much that they are trying to stop them; it's that a religious person often doesn't want to follow their own rules and will instead attempt to get the person that they feel is most easily domitable in their immediate environment to follow the rules for them, to temporarily allow the religious person to escape from their reproachful inner dialogue.
This involves the religious person disparaging, maligning and taunting the other person and violating the very rules that the religious person is telling the other person they should follow. If the other person doesn't submit and obey, then the religious person declares them "bad" and deserving of punishment and continues doing what they were already doing, but now it is even more righteous. They will continue to make things unpleasant for their target and will only relent when the other person does the same thing to them (i.e. try to "convert" them to atheism or something).
Fire and brimstone with fire.
>>712604298
Can you give me a real life example? I can't say I've met many religious people with double standards, and certainly none to this degree.
>>712603940
"Assumption of dignity or importance"
I don't make the assumption that I'm important.
I KNOW that I am important because I have a high amount of respect for myself, which is much more than that of a strangers (such as yourself).
Also, you cannot know that I am undeserved of it, because that cannot be shown over the internet.
It also being exaggerated is false, because how is holding yourself higher than other people being pretentious?
If anyone has been pretentious here, it's YOU for assuming that I am important based off of what I've said in earlier posts... without me telling you that I hold myself with a high amount of respect, which, is much higher than that of the amount that I hold a strangers in.
It essentially boils down into this.
I was deemed to be pretentious in your eyes because I used big words. You thought that I was pretentious. I view myself in a higher light than that of other people because everyone and their mother holds themselves higher than anybody else. It's all about the Self, the Individual, Yourself. You yourself hold yourself in a higher light than that with which you view me in.
Case closed.
>>712603331
>>712603331
Now I have a new fetish. There goes NoFap November
It's due to the fact that Atheism IS a religion. And there's always gonna be that lot of people who scream their ideals like its fact. Like most religions do
>>712604803
That was a lot of words, too bad you completely missed the point.
>I treat myself with a respect that is much higher than that of a stranger on the internet
By saying this, before you even begin discussion with anyone, you have already elevated yourself to a higher plain. As before stated, these people are also strangers, so you know nothing of their merits. So yes, you are pretentious. You have an undeserved assumption of dignity, as for all you know everyone on this board could be in every way your superior.
>I don't make the assumption that I'm important.
>I KNOW that I am important because I have a high amount of respect for myself, which is much more than that of a strangers (such as yourself).
These two gems only solidify my point. To reiterate, you have no right to respect yourself more than anyone on this board considering we are strangers. I also feel that I should clarify that dignity, self respect and a sense of importance are all synonyms.
>It also being exaggerated is false, because how is holding yourself higher than other people being pretentious?
Because you know nothing of them.
>If anyone has been pretentious here, it's YOU for assuming that I am important based off of what I've said in earlier posts...
I said you were pretentious, not important, and making an assumption about the personality of an individual based off of their mannerisms can't be considered pretentious, especially since I was correct.
>>712604803
> I view myself in a higher light than that of other people because everyone and their mother holds themselves higher than anybody else. It's all about the Self, the Individual, Yourself.
Not everyone is an conceited as you. It was very pretentious of you to suggest that.
>You yourself hold yourself in a higher light than that with which you view me in.
I'll conceded that point. After all this, I can conclude with little risk that you are a faggot.
>Case closed
That was a little trigger happy, dare I say pretentious?
Check. Your move.
>>712600804
The one thing that will piss off the militant atheist the most, put them on the offensive and make them direct an ad hominem at the speaker.
Mostly because they know they can't answer it and they are too arrogant to think that they should have to.
>>712593575
Scientologist spotted.
>>712594130
Topkek.
winRAR.
>>712606847
that doesnt give you the authority to make up some shit about a giant fairy who watches you masturbate and say he made it all
it doesnt matter whether there is a god or not
if there is a god then where did he come from
"oh he just always existed"
then why cant the universe just always have existed
works both ways shitlord
>>712606847
But by assuming that a sentient being created everything you neglect to understand that the galaxies are expanding even now, without the help of said being and fully explained by science. What makes you think there was anything spiritual about the creation of earth?
>>712607075
>proving my point
Thanks mang.
>>712607075
>>712607097
Combined explains all
>>712593225
The thing is OP, only a very small (but vocal) minority of us Atheists behave like neckbeard cockheads. Most of us are fairly normal people. In fact, a huge percentage of the population is now Atheist (where I live, at least) and until you actually ask a normal Atheist about their beliefs they won't bother telling you. I'd actually be inclined to say that the religious majority are far more insufferable and cringeworthy than your run-of-the mill nonbeliever. But hey, that's just my two cents.
>>712607097
Could that not, in theory, be set into motion by a creator? I mean if a machine builds a car, it doesn't have to be the agent by which the car moves for the car to move.
>>712607361
Yes, but the burden of proof is on the one making the claim.
The Big Bang Theory is proven by science, and therefore is a viable option.
The logic behind the reasoning that a god or gods created the earth has always been "well, how else would all this happen?" The answer to that question is now the Big Bang Theory.
Unless we have proof that its possible for a godlike being to even exist at all and in addition have the power to create the earth, that argument is void.
>>712606558
Took you long enough.
>By saying this, before you even begin discussion with anyone, you have already elevated yourself to a higher plain.
Plane*
You're right, I know nothing of their merits, but I can conclude, that since we are on 4chan, that none of us have any merits of worth or value which is why 4chan exists in the first place.
The "undeserved assumption of dignity" is neither undeserved or an assumption, since I have a higher respect for myself than I do others, that is, not to say that I don't respect others... I just hold myself higher because it is in human nature to do so.
It is not considered an assumption, because I know this to be true because it comes from the highest authority a person can ever have, which is themselves. It is not considered undeserved, because I know that I deserve it for being the person that I am. You cannot argue these two concepts as they come from me, the primary source of what you are so desperately trying to destroy.
>you have no right to respect yourself more than anyone on this board considering we are strangers
Who decides what right I have or have not?
It is human nature to conclude that you are, indeed, more important than anyone else.
You cannot honestly say that if, when in a dire situation (natural disaster for example), you wouldn't hold yourself over that of strangers.
You can't honestly believe that you would exchange your own life for a strangers, when "you know nothing of their merits".
Now let me reiterate.
In the beginning, you thought me pretentious for using big words. I told you that I use big words to exclude those with whom I would have no civil discussion with. That is also the reason why I did not use a basic vocabulary to maximize my message. The point was to cut out those who were too stupid enough to understand what I was/am saying.
Let's see merriam-webster's definition of what it means to be pretentious shall we?
>>712606558
def'n: making usually unjustified or excessive claims (as of value or standing). Neither of my "claims" were unjustified, because I myself, being the
primary source, justified them, and neither are they excessive, because it is human nature and is generally accepted that everyone holds themselves
above over anyone else.
By all means, keep on trying to pin me as being a pretentious faggot. You've done more harm to yourself than I ever could, and I rule the day
when I see you exchange your life with a strangers because "MUH importance means nothin".
>I'll conceded that point.
Case closed.
>>712593225
This is what you bait right? Very low quality bait?
Good question. I was thinking about this at work earlier. They are so self-important and aggressively pretentious. They have cliche and mainstream tastes when it comes to entertainment, media, and interests and try to find depth in the shallow whilst patting themselves on the back whilst attempting (poorly) to do so.
Atheists can't bear to be wrong so they set up a universe where it's impossible for them to ever be wrong. They don't realize what flaw this is and how ridiculous they are
>>712607761
>the Big Bang theory is proven by science
Science seems to ostensibly prove a great number of things, and yet many of them are not fully understood or actually tested. The Big Bang is a probable model, sure, but if it isn't repeatable, then it's not science.
With that in mind, the burden of proof is also on the atheist. I, personally, do not believe that science has answered all of my questions to my liking, and neither has religion. However, based on personal spiritual enlightenment tempered with some skepticism, I would confess that I think that religion has not answered all of my questions sufficiently either. I am therefore not set in stone as a theist but more an agnostic-leaning spiritualist.
>>712593225
You do realize that Cenk Uygur is an agnostic dumbass, yes?
>>712601484
>taking the bait
>>712608194
>With that in mind, the burden of proof is also on the atheist.
it doesn't. We don't make a claim.
>>712607803
No persons are more frequently wrong, than those who will not admit they are wrong.
>>712607761
>proven by science
>a viable option
If it's proven by science then it's a fact, not an option
Also, if you're still calling it a theory then it hasn't been verified, still a theory and not proven
>>712608493
Although that may be the case, it is not here.
I have proven and justified my point, time and time again. He has not refuted my arguments about the definition of what it means to be pretentious and how/where the justifiable proof comes from (me) and until he does, he has forfeited any chances of victory.
Still waiting.
>>712608634
I encourage you to look up what a "Theory" represents in a scientific light.
>>712608634
>Also, if you're still calling it a theory then it hasn't been verified, still a theory and not proven
being a theory means it is proven. If an idea becomes a theory then it means it is a fact.
>>712596062
Nice rationalization you've got there.
>>712608689
Different anon here.
Yes, theories do not "graduate" to the status of "facts"
>>712593225
I'm really the only atheist I know aside from people online, but I'm a closeted one and I live in a dominate Christian area and my dad is the type to disown a person for not being his view of a "practicing Christian". And yes! I'm an adult who doesn't have to live by his rules, but being disowned isn't something I want to happen.
I don't know any atheists, met only 2 agnostics who think their beliefs is a 1-up in comparison to atheists. Don't care really, I just care to meet people who at least want to better understand the reality they live in.
>>712607803
I'm getting bored with this. You're actually retarded.
Everything you've said here has been based around the concept of human nature. There is no such thing pal. We are adults who have our own morals and take responsibility for our own actions. Your defense is literally
>i am shit person, therefore all must be shit person, therefore not my fault
Fucking brilliant.
And yes, you are pretentious.
>Know nothing of the people you're comparing yourself to
>Assuming you're better
You see, when you make a claim based off of absolute no evidence, your argument is...
drum roll please...
UNJUSTIFIED!
Man, that point took awhile to spell out as bluntly as I can for you. I just hope you can read.
>>712608634
>>712608767
To clarity; it has been proven that the process of the Big Bang Theory is possible under science and could explain how the Earth came to be. We obviously can't know what actually happened as we weren't around, but we know that the Big Bang Theory is the only explanation that conforms to the laws of our universe.
>>712609076
As it is the characteristic of great wits to say much in few words, so small wits seem to have the gift of speaking much and saying nothing.
>>712609401
>When you can't formulate a rebuttal so you stupid shame your opponent
>That'll teach 'em
>>712593225
Go back to making your shitty young turks videos, Cenk.
>>712609076
There is no such thing as Human Nature?
Are you mental?
Up until now I really believed that this was just some extravagant bait.... but this... this is on a whole new level.
I should honestly save this for a cringe thread later, but I'm beginning to get bored with this too. It's like trying to talk to a brick wall, but instead of the wall being made out of bricks, it's made out of cocks, all of which you've dehydrated with your mouth.
Saying that you have morals and responsibilities does nothing to refute Human Nature. I encourage you to look up The History of Evolutionary Biology. Read a fucking book man. To say that there is no such thing as Human Nature is akin to saying that Nature itself does not exist. You do realize how daft that sounds right?
And now you've gone and fucked up your last point as-well.
>Know nothing of the people you're comparing yourself to
I can conclude that you are one dumb motherfucker and should be euthanized with a decomposing bamboo shoot.
I never said that I was better than anyone else, but you've assumed this whole time that I did or am.
I've always said that I hold myself with a much higher respect. Respect does not equal being better than someone, it just demonstrates how far you are willingly to converse with that person.
I should call you Donald Crump.
The "T" being replaced with "C" for all of the cocks that you will forever enjoy.
Enjoy building that cock-wall.
Pic-highly related.
>>712608879
Those who most obstinately oppose the most widely-held opinions more often do so because of pride than lack of intelligence. They find the best places in the right set already taken, and they do not want back seats.
>>712593225
you look like a grosser fatter john goodman. vote democrat again.
>>712609765
When not prompted by vanity, we say little.
>>712600507
nobody read your bullshit
>>712610009
We got another worker for that wall.
It says a lot about a country when not believing in god is "edgy".
>>712609765
Ok, human nature as you define it does exist. All human every without exception have had these same exact characteristics and view themselves the exact same way. That sounds reasonable.
Kekle.
>Saying that you have morals and responsibilities does nothing to refute Human Nature
Oh contrare, you claimed that you hold yourself in higher light because of human nature. That's a moral, and considering every day soldiers sacrifice themselves for our well being while you stay away from that mindset like the plague, people obviously have different morals.
>It is human nature to conclude that you are, indeed, more important than anyone else.
I never said that I was better than anyone else, but you've assumed this whole time that I did or am.
Pick one boyo.
And I don't know whats with all the Trump stuff, but I think you're just hating without direction because you don't know how to electoral college. Either way, I'm glad to have triggered you. All those ad hominems really make your intellectual superiority shine. Have a great day.
>It is much too hard for me demonstrate this over such a limited platform that is based off of mere words with no emotion or sarcastic to input.
Above is a comprehensive guide my pupil. Learn and flourish.
>>712610585
>every day soldiers sacrifice themselves for our well being
you mean to acquire oil and business deals.
>>712610351
So the "edginess" is reversed elsewhere.
>>712610641
Because that was the most relevant example.
Fine, I'll give you another one; everyday those around you manage not to strangle you to death to bring an end to the eternal torment born by your insufferable whining.
I'm done talking with you. I have sufficiently humiliated you and to say anything more would be a waste of my time. Have fun with your superiority complex.
Good night, good game, and checkmate.
>>712610585
>you claimed that you hold yourself in higher light because of human nature. That's a moral
No, it isn't. A moral isn't something that is universally accepted. You yourself said that "people obviously have different morals.".
Everybody, because of Human Nature, holds themselves in a higher light than anybody else, yourself included. It is not because it is a moral, it is because it is ingrained in all of us. It's what we are that demonstrates my point.
Soldiers sacrifice themselves, true. Hopefully they'll all come home.
I've just refuted your point that us holding ourselves in a higher light is not a moral, rather, apart of Human Nature itself.
Yes, you are right, you did never say that you were better than anyone else. All I am saying is that you hold yourself in a higher light, that, when push comes to shove, you'd protect your own ass over a stranger's, like anyone else would, because of Human Nature.
And I voted for Trump. I just used him as an example, hopefully, to trigger that inner feminist that you keep under lock-and-key.
And what I said about demonstrating how it is impossible to not seem so pretentious still stands. Linking yourself above without at least paraphrasing or giving a reasonable starting point is weak.
>>712610641
I couldn't even see the biggest troll of the century.
You took any chance I had of finishing him off.
You win 4chin.
>>712593225
because, according to science more analytical people are less religous hence people are becoming wiser and less patient with dumb ass questions like this.
>>712610835
you seem to have problems what words mean.
You cannot humiliate an anonymous user. You can only humiliate people in front of their peers or people they care about.
An ad hominem is not an insult but an argument reasoned with an insult
You are an idiot. Is not an ad hominem
You are wrong because you are an idiot. Is an ad hominem
>>712610967
Why do you know so much about feminism? I bet you don't know anything about feminism. Are you a feminist? ;
>>712611096
If we had no faults we should not take so much pleasure in noting those of others.
>>712611098
this reply just lower my iq by 10pts plz stop
>>712611098
I was hoping that he was a Hillary supporter so that I could cuckhold him into humiliating himself even more.
Although I doubt that he could, especially after concluding that Human Nature doesn't exist.
Goddamn. I might switch back to Christianity just to pray for him.
Godspeed Donald Crumpf.
>>712611240
Masturbating is essentially like praying.
>>712608689
>>712608767
>>712609290
ITT: A bunch of kids who don't know what "theory" means.
>>712611326
>>712611331
Refute me directly. I guarantee you just misunderstood my argument.
>>712611331
Bazinga
This "Pretentious Faggot Anon" is out.
Have a good night guys.
Peace.
All Hail Donald Crumpf.
>>712603373
>>712611519
He was faggot tho
>>712611438
He's calling you >>712611331 out
>>712611519
Don't get uppity
>>712611438
>>712611709
>implying I'm going to waste time arguing with children
>>712611800
Is discussion board. Why no discuss?
>>712611800
It'll only take a few seconds, maybe a minute to say where you disagree
>>712593225
Because it's an extremist ideology. To say, definitively, without a doubt, there is no God is ignorant. The scientific method doesn't work within the parameters in which a deity might exist, and likewise religion can't give empirical evidence that one does exist.
If a God does exist, there's not really a way of finding out, but there's also no way to prove one doesn't exist, since the point of it all is that they operate beyond our understanding. Religious anecdotes can be passed off as delirium, while scientific fact can be passed off as a test of faith. The only reasonable stance is agnosticism, since it neither promotes or denotes the existence of a God. Why this is the best place to be is because you cannot prove it one way or the other. I can go into further detail about my personal belief system, but I think this adequately answers the question.
Sincerely,
A former Atheist
>>712596501
You are just a SJW faggot.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion... not everyone is entitled to be right. In this argument and by all measures of logic, athiests are right, regardless of opinions.
>>712611979
The burden of proof lies on the person making the claim.
No proof = no argument = no god = fake and gay
>>712612038
That's a pretty ignorant way of looking at things, isn't it?
>>712612067
Nope
>>712612089
If you can't consider that you might be wrong, you're an idiot, and there's nothing I can say that'll change that.
>>712612067
By that logic, we may as well assume that the Flying Spaghetti Monster could be just as real as the christian god.
>>712612114
The only thing that can make me wrong is proof. Show me your god, I admit im wrong.
Religitards on the other hand will never accept evidence, or lack thereof.
>>712612067
Its actually a logical way of thinking about it. Saying that I have to disprove your theory instead of you having to prove it is a logical fallacy.
>>712612171
>>712612177
>>712612201
But none of you have proven anything
>>712612038
Second-rate minds usually condemn everything beyond their grasp.
There are no religious people on /b/.
Only trololols
>>712612304
Calling someone stupid is always a good defense against an argument you can't refute. It worked in Preschool, why not now?
>>712612281
We arent required to faggot. We arent claiming anything
>>712612374
You're claiming that a God doesn't exist. Look at it from the opposite perspective. An educated theist could provide and equal amount of reasons why one does as you could why one doesn't. Neither side has a way of disproving the other one. Why is your perspective more valid?
Again, I'm sitting in the middle so keep that in mind before you start flinging shit
>>712612281
We are not the ones making the assertive. You are the ones who have to prove it.
And there's always the option B, which is keeping your retardation to yourself. You don't need to scream to everyone know the fairy tale you believe.
>>712612281
Ok. Here we go.
The Big Bang Theory is an explanation for how the earth was formed that's been PROVEN to be possible under science. The only reason its a theory is because we were not there when the earth is formed, so we will never definitely know what happened. Having said that, it is as of now the only theory with evidence to back it up.
There is no evidence to show that a sentient being created the earth, nor that a sentient being even exists.
We have proven that our beliefs (or lack thereof) are cemented in logic. You must do the same.
>>712612528
Okay, where is it proven? Show me.
For the record, the big bang theory is the most plausible one to me, I'm just playing devil's advocate for the sake of reasonable argument.
>>712612502
Refer to this
>>712612447
>>712612447
Im not claiming that god doesnt exist. Im suggesting that without proof that he does exist that there is no reason for mr to believe in him just like I dont believe that there are 2 Katy Perry clones dancing naked in my shed right now.
There is no reason to believe either, so I dont.
Please prove that there arent 2 Katy Perry clones with a bottle of baby oil in my shed.
>>712612447
Then lets have an educated theist take the stage, because I have never in my life heard any of these concrete facts supporting gods existence.
>>712612635
Well, exactly
You can't prove there's not unless you physically went there
The problem with the God situation is that you can't physically go to a place where there is a God, so you'll never know.
You'll never know - key phrasing
So how can you KNOW that there is no God? How can you know that there is one?
>>712612646
Again, the whole point of deities and such is that they operate outside of our realm of understanding, thus cannot be disproved with fact because facts can be passed off as us not being able to understand divinity.
>>712612646
>educated theist
kek
>>712593225
>Why are most atheists insufferable pseudo-intellectuals?
Because you are generalizing based on anecdotal evidence and your claim is probably false.
>>712612791
This is why OP doesn't like atheists.
>>712612984
Do i give a fuck?
The comment is valid. Im sorry if it offends you, snowflake.
>>712612984
The "education" theists recieve is literally to dismiss evidence and recite dogma. This is the definition of mis-education.
>>712613057
>>712613206
I want everyone to look at these guys and understand why they're retarded. They're the same kind of people who think all women are crazy, evil bitches because they watched a few videos on YouTube
There's as many absolute idiots as there are highly intelligent people on both sides. Completely dismissing an entire ideology just because a few dumbasses took it too far is a stupid way to live your life. Let go of your ego and look at things objectively. Admit to yourself that, maybe, you could be wrong, and that you're not looking at things the right way.
Understanding the fallibility of man is your first step to becoming a more well-rounded individual.
>>712613557
SJW
Why does anyone care about whether or not you believe in magic mememan or mememen? All that matters is now you kissless faggots, just be a good person for the sake of being selfless.
>>712613608
>i have literally no rebuttal
>i'll just call him an SJW thatll get him mad hurr hur hurr
piss off, babby
>>712613741
I dont feel required to soften my approach to appease peoples feelings. If you believe in stupid, im gonna call you on it. You can take whatever approach you want, but if you bring your god shit into my life and get all uppity about my right to call you on it... look out, its on.
You softcock PC SJW.
>>712614383
Can you even read, I wonder? You're the problem, little boy, you just assume because I'm against you that I'm some religious cuckle fuck. You're not hurting anyone's feelings here, you're just showing me how much of a stubborn, stupid, dickriding faggot you are.
Take that to a safespace, bud
>>712614727
>i have literally no rebuttal
Nice adhominem.
Any chance you are going to address the point or are you conceding defeat already?
>>712594130
Wow...I mean, ya this.
>>712614842
There is no point. Once you start blatantly namecalling, there's no backpedaling. You lost. Go jerk off over your sisters' panties.
>>712596062
This thread is made for Hugh school retards like you who think they are smart. The fact is you are just as much of a faggot than anyone in organized religion because you are sitting here crying about it just like they are. The point is, shut the fuck up, you are not smart.
>>712596501
Is this bait?
>>712614383
>... look out, its on.
FEDORA TIPPING HAS REACHED ITS MAXIMUM LEVEL, WATCH OUT BOYS ITS GONNA BLOW
>>712615261
Of course. The whole thread is bait.
>>712600141
Wow op, I was actually on your side at the being of this thread, but you dug that hole quick with your last few posts.
>>712600804
Maybe if you had been further the 6grade you would have learned what entropy and statistics are and could have an answer to this question. Btw, as an atheist, I don't care about your kind of ignorant faggots since I'm not polluted by your childish god fantasy.
I'm an atheist. If someone knows your beliefs within a minute of meeting you, you're an asshole, atheist, Christian, Scientologist, doesn't matter.
>>712616179
So you proved yourself an asshole?
>>712616285
Never said I wasn't homey, but I'm giving context to my viewpoint.
>>712616356
Fair enough. Fwiw i agree with you.
And you dont see too many athiests shake hands with a stranger and say "no-god bless". Most athiests dont even think of religion until confronted by it and are unlikely to lead conversations with thier atheism.
Its usually god fags that would fail your test imo.
>>712616578
Is why most atheists hate Dawkins as well, he shoves shit down people's throats just as much as any zealot. Atheists don't want shit to do with that.
Real answer?
A large group of athiests become of that belief in their mid teenage years, in a time when people are struggling to identify themselves as people and therefore cling to any label they feel has desirable qualities they wish to associate themselves with.
Some teenagers think being overly cold, calculating and logical is cool. Religion, which teaches the opposite of these things, repels them towards the more "cool" thing and they overstate their enthusiasm towards athiesm which they feel (or they want to feel that it) embodies them.
This is usually paired with general immaturity and lack of self awareness, kids don't know how to not look like dickheads.
>>712616972
When I became atheist as a teenager I was angry that I'd wasted so much of my life doing church shit. I felt like I was making up for lost time. I was lashing back, angry and wondering how everyone could be so stupid. Now that I'm older I can appreciate religion and respect other beliefs.
>>712616972
But religious people who stuff gawd and jeebus in your face at every chance get a pass on looking like dickheads?
Or are we just not allowed to call them on that because mah freedums?
