Why??
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Why??
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>>712419742
1. Atheism - disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
2. Kill yourself you baiting faggot.
Athesits 0
me 1
not this again
Why can't theists define theism?
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>>712420088
ITT: a newfriend successfully trolled newer newfriends with a worn out meme
>>712419742
Who's god creator?
>>712419742
OP, you don't have access to firearms or sharp objects, I hope?
>Normally I avoid engaging faggots with niggerish ideas... but in your case I'll make an exception.
>>712419742
https://youtu.be/8n1hvuks-hQ
This guy atheist and he never talks about it
Havent seen this thread in a while now, have i just missed the threads or has it been a while?
Atheism is to not believe every bullshit just because it sounds good an many people believe it
>>712419742
why cant christians define autism
>>712421316
>bullshit just because it sounds good an many people believe it
You just described science
>>712421464
no not really scienfe is provable so its not bs
>>712420738
youve been missing out alot then
>>712420173
ITT: you come to post in a cancer thread when you could be doing something with your life
>>712419742
atheism: absence of 'faith'
>>712419742
Tedious, stupid OP is tedious and stupid
>>712419742
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>>712419742
atheism is not believing in god
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>>712419742
Even though this is bait of the highest caliber.
It's because people who don't believe in anything call themselves Atheist while not truly knowing anything about it.
It's funny.
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>>712421599
God's love is all the proof I need
Because theres no such thing as atheism. Its not a religion. Its no religion. Theyre just atheists
>>712420738
You've been missing out, I've rarely seen an hour go past between one of these threads ending and another one starting up.
how can atheists believe in evolution? the bible clearly says it is wrong
>>712423571
The bible predates the theory of evolution, how can it reference it?
>>712423571
the bible doesnt even mention evolution.
but how can you believe in the bible? our observastions clearly say it is wrong.
>>712419742
Atheism: The belief in a certain idea, based solely on the fact that there is little evidence supporting the alternative idea, despite there being little evidence to support the first idea.
>>712424428
How much evidence do you need for the notion of "There is not much if any evidence supporting the idea of religion, so I'm not going to believe in it"?
>>712424428
where the hell did you pull that off?
atheism isnt a belief.
atheism is a belief like off is a tv channel or how not collecting baseballs is a hobby.
>>712419742
No need to bother lads.. OP is not responsible for his parents being siblings or for his autism.. It's out of his hands.
I'm calling bait thread.
>>712424949
this, why do we have a word for someone who is not a theist when we dont have words for people who dont believe in astrology or ghosts or like you sayd, someone who doesnt collect baseballs.
>>712425099
calling bait thread after it has been a famous bait thread for over 2 years now.
>>712419742
>>712425235
we have an obligation to the newfag generation that shall inherit this site and our legacy, to warn them and make them better trolls than our wildest expectations.
This is now a nigger shoe thread
>>712425656
foamposites are gross
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>>712425883
Old school
>>712424841
As much evidence as I need for the notion of "there is a god." You can't just take the lack of evidence for something (i.e. that there is a god) as evidence of the alternative (that there isn't a god).
Also, don't confound the idea of a deity with that of a religion. Not believing in a religion is ridiculous... of course they exist. The question that atheism tries to answer is the existence of a deity, not the existence of a god.
Here is how I look at it. My background is in experimental neuroscience (I find it a bit telling how many vocal atheists, like Dawkins, are theorists). As an experimentalist, I formulate a hypotheses and test them. So, "there is no god" is a hypothesis, although at this point, it is untestable. Because of the nature of logic, you can't prove your hypothesis, so you have to consider alternative hypotheses (i.e. there is a god), and attempt to disprove those. Assuming I formulated my hypotheses well, and accounted for all the alternatives, if I can discount my alternative hypotheses, then I have support for my initial hypothesis. However, because you can neither disprove the existence of a god, nor disprove the nonexistence of god, making a definitive statement about the our question is not warranted. The only scientifically sound option is agnosticism, with an open mind that either hypothesis may be true.
Atheism is the lack of a belief in any divine supernatural beings. It's not complicated. We have no gods. Nothing more, nothing less.
Can one be an atheist and believe in the supernatural? Technically yes, but you'd still be a dumbass. Plus what would the basis be?
>>712421676
... but so did you...
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>>712426320
I don't think many atheists assert 'there is no god'.
Nobody is obligated to consider a hypothesis that 'there is a god'.
If you assert there is a god and you want anyone to believe you, you are responsible for providing evidence. Nobody has to provide evidence to not believe you.
If you don't meet the burden of proof, you are as serious as this thread. Not very.
>>712426320
So you're asserting that I am asserting that god doesn't exist?
How would I know, as you say there is no way of proving it either way.
You're just acting fancy about calling yourself an agnostic.
I'd call myself a agnostic atheist, because I don't know if there is a god, but I find it so unlikely that I'm just going to assume there isn't.
If evidence to the contrary were to come to light, I would examine that evidence and then make up my mind.
Also look at this image >>712425393, this is how I see the different stances.
>>712419742
why can't you holy rollers prove there's a god?
>>712426320
>You can't just take the lack of evidence for something (i.e. that there is a god) as evidence of the alternative (that there isn't a god).
Thats why we are not, you are misrepresenting atheism, thats a strawman fallacy.
the "there is no god" claim is IRRELEVANT in this conversation, beacause nobody has claimed it and most likely will not because they know better.
The only scientifically sound option is agnostic atheism.
im truly sorry that your studies and experience in experimental neuroscience has not taught you that words can be used in more than 1 way.
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>>712426999
Wait. So you believe something (atheism), but are unwilling to make a definite statement about its main tenant (that there is no god). You are agnostics.
Atheism and theism aren't opinions about religion. They're statements about the existence of a god. Saying you're an atheist is the same as saying that there is no god. Many theists don't identify with a religion.
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>>712427005
Can't tell if troll or not.
>>712427522
saying you're an agnostic is the same as not admitting that you dont believe in a god.
When will you learn that words can be used in more than 1 way? never?
>>712427787
im guessing you are the same guy, so please answer my question.
>>712427522
You're describing a gnostic(one who knows) atheist. Someone who would assert "there is no god" and mean it.
I'm an agnostic(not knowing) atheist. Someone who asserts "I don't know if there is a god, but I find it so unlikely that I don't believe there is".
>>712427235
The question of the existence of god is irrelevant to your beliefs, but the question of the non-existence of god is relevant?
>>712427522
999 here
I don't consider myself an atheist.
I don't believe in god or gods.
I don't consider myself agnostic.
You are referring to one usage of 'atheist' meaning 'person who believes there is/are no God/s'.
Another usage is 'Person who does not believe in God/s'.
Either way I don't care and don't believe in god.
Why do you?
>>712427787
999 here
not a troll.
Why do you think I might be?
>>712427934
No, if you don't make a definite assertion about the existence of a god, then you are agnostic (you plead ignorance). If you make such an assertion, then you are a theist or atheist. Don't try to muddle it with some semantic arguments. There is no hybrid between an atheist and an agnostic, because that does not work logically.
>>712427954
nobody is claiming that there absolutely is no god, so talking about the non-existance of a god is irrelevant.
>>712428115
atheist define and atheist as someone who doesnt believe in a god, so you are an atheist.
an agnostic is someone who doesnt claim to know whether a god exists or not, im guessing you are claiming that so you are, like me, an agnostic atheist.
you can call yourself whatever you want, but that doesnt change the fact that we are in the same boat and ALL atheists would say that you are one of them.
please realise that words dont have meanings, they have usages and we definetly are using these words differently, so basically, we arent talking in the same language, which is why its so difficult for you to communicate with atheists.
>>712428424
I never pleaded ignorance.
I don't believe in God.
>>712428424
You're very rigid about this. Okay you can call me what you want, I don't believe in god(s) but I don't assert knowledge of this. Just put whatever label that makes you comfortable on me and get it over with.
By the way, would you call a theist, who asserts that god does indeed exist, a pure gnostic?
I mean getting rid of the theist part because they are just gnostic(knowing).
>>712428605
ugh, i wish there was an edit option, made too many typos in there, luckily a normal human being can easilly understand what i tried to say.
Simply noone can define where from and why there living exists in universe, not only on earth.
>>712428824
the theist part needs to be there so we know WHAT he is claiming to know and in my opinion, the closer someone gets to being a true gnostic, the more insane they tend to be.
absolute certainty doesnt exist, but these people often claim they have it.
>>712419742
Atheism, without theism.
>>712428605
I always find it amazingly intricate how a simpletons mind actually tries to function.
>>712428605
I'm not going to label myself by someone else's beliefs.
Someone tells me they believe in God.
Cool I don't believe the same.
They may consider me an 'atheist' but why should I?
So I can be part of some group?
Fuck off with that, I don't care if someone believes in God or not, I don't section myself off from them or in with others.
>>712429161
So the gnostic part needs to be there, to solidify what the person is asserting?
Wouldn't that mean, that if I as an atheist, would like to assert that I didn't claim knowledge, but only a lack of belief in gods, would have to append agnostic to my atheist label?
>>712429295
>They may consider me an 'atheist' but why should I?
because humanity needs more atheists out of the closet, religion has done and is doing a great deal of harm around the world.
What do you call someone who isnt a nudist?
You dont call them anything, theyre normal. Same with religion
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>>712428605
So basically, you're saying that atheists have changed the definition of atheism to be that of agnosticism. Like you guys had a meeting and were like:
Fag 1: "No one like us. How do we get people to like us?"
Fag 2: "We could stop being insufferable pieces of shit"
Fag 3: "No, that's stupid. Maybe we could be more like agnostics? People seem to like them."
Fag 1: "That's a great idea... although I'm concerned we'll lose the edgy persona we've had to cultivate over these years of jerking off to Richard Dawkins."
Fag 3: "That's okay. We'll just keep calling ourselves atheists, but we will believe in agnosticism."
Fag 1: "That's crazy enough to work"
>>712429414
lets get this clear, every person either is or isnt a theist, believes in a god, those who dont believe in a god aka are not theists, are atheists.
in the same way, every person is or is not agnostic, those who are not agnostic, are gnostic.
However i dont believe that a sane person can be gnostic, so it is often not even mentioned in normal conversation.
>>712428824
So you believe in something, but are unwilling to assert it. Do you base all your beliefs on things that you are unwilling to back up?
>>712429724
So since I don't believe in gods, but don't claim to know they don't exist. I'm an agnostic atheist?
>>712429481
You realize people can criticize religion and think rationally without having to label themselves as part of some group, yeah?
>>712429520
Exactly.
If most people didn't believe in God, we wouldn't even call ourselves atheists.
>>712429620
Why does the word matter so much?
It doesn't provide any more evidence for god/s.
>>712429779
I'm unwilling to claim that gods don't exist, because I can't prove it.
But since there is no proof of their existence either, I lack belief that they exist.
I cannot claim they do not exist (agnostic). I do not believe they exist(atheist).
Together they form, agnostic atheist.
>>712430237
Because words and their meaning are important. It's necessary to be able to properly define something in order to talk about it. I'm confused about your definition of atheism and agnosticism.
>>712429620
>So basically, you're saying that atheists have changed the definition
what was the original definition? i dont know, but im telling you how they are using it, the important part is that they dont believe in a god.
And this is how i see it. agnostics talking
Fag 1: "people really seem to hate us atheists, what can we do?"
Fag 2: "we could start believing in a god"
Fag 3: "no, thats stupid, maybe we just dont call ourselves atheists? like go in the closet about it"
Fag 1: "thats a great idea! tho im concerned we will be seen as edgy in the eyes of our fellow atheists."
Fag 3: "thats ok, we will just keep calling ourselves agnostics, but will remain atheists."
Fag 1: "That's crazy enough to work"
After a while, they got so smug they started thinking they are better than atheists or theists by taking a "middle road" and forgot that they still are actually atheists.
We're still arguing over a word.
For the theist: Why do you believe in God? Why should anyone else?
>>712419742
come on anon, at least try to use new fucking questions. The older guy did a new thing every other day.
>>712430457
I think atheism is a useless term.
As is being demonstrated in this thread.
If you want to know what I believe and believe to know, ask me. Don't ask me what label I go by.
>>712430036
>You realize people can criticize religion and think rationally without having to label themselves as part of some group, yeah?
Then you would be lying tho, im ok with that if you are, but im not going to be that dishonest myself.
>>712430351
So why isn't that called an agnostic with atheistic tendencies? You're falling closer to one side of an argument that has a dichotomous answer.
It honestly sounds like atheism has splintered into subgroups, based on minor differences in belief. Where have we seen that happen before?
>>712419742
No such thing as atheism.
>>712430513
Atheism is lack of belief in a god. I would hope that anyone who believe in something is willing to assert that thing. Because if not, humans are fucking retarded.
>>712430729
i think its a useless term too, but the religious need something to direct their anger at.
so first they will ask if you believe in a god, then you say no and then they call out ATHEIST HEATHEN! and disregard everything you say after that because you work for the devil.
>>712430806
You're the one trying to steer this conversation though. If I'm wrong let me know, but you seem to be of the opinion that being an agnostic is the superior position. You're making it a stance.
Where I am using agnostic as a modifier, to pinpoint my stance as a person who doesn't claim to know, but lacks belief in gods.
>>712431063
That's why you ask, "why do you believe in God".
If you want to encourage rational thought, you have to be willing to set aside you desire to push for your opinion and have a real conversation.
Progress takes time and care.
Fighting with people about your position is assuming they hold the high ground.
>>712419742
>tfw agnostic master race
you're all niggers to me, overemotional niggers who let your stupid monkey feelings dictate what you cling to.
>>712430030
yes exactly.
>>712430806
Do you believe in God?
If so why?
>>712430729
Well its a useless term if everyone who calls themselves atheists are not actually atheists. But if there are people who do not believe in a god and are wiling to assert that there no god, then the term is a descriptor of those people.
I agree with you fundamentally, that the best way to understand someones beliefs is to ask them, and that most have some idiosyncrasies in their beliefs. However, I think that if someone call themselves an atheist, they are making a definitive statement about the existence of a god.
>>712431594
I don't. See >>712426320
>>712431514
Then we're on the same page, now I just have to get this other guy to get how I'm using these words.
>>712431481
most agnostics are atheist
Atheism is just a lack of belief, something most agnostics fall under
>>712431928
wrong. I've never met an atheist who didn't assert that there is no God when pressed. They're trying to hijack the logical middle ground because they're cowards but still want to make fun of religious people who they see as weak despite them being their mirror image.
>>712431274
No, I don't think any position in superior to another. Based on by particular way of understanding the world, agnosticism seems to be the most logical choice. To others, belief or disbelief may be the most logical choice.
My understanding is like this:
You can be gnostic or agnostic
If gnostic, then you can be a theist or an atheist
If agnostic, then you can't be those things, because it would be ridiculous to claim to not know, then make a statement of belief in one or the other
>>712430806
>>712431274
Also calling it an agnostic with atheistic tendencies, is just a longer way of saying agnostic atheist.
>>712431712
some will never accept other definitions than the ones they are already using, but facts are on your side, using "atheist" as someone who believes there is not god makes the term anti-theist useless and using "agnostic" as the middle ground is really confusing.
like if i ask you if you believe in a god or not and your answer is "im agnostic" you have not answered the question, you are dodging it.
its a simple yes or no question that a child could answer.
>>712432339
I'm agnostic is an answer. It means "I do not know."
Not everyone is so egotistical that they let their stupid monkey feelings enter into their worldview.
>>712432270
No, because you're fundamentally an agnostic, but every now and then you flirt with being an atheist. You can't possibly be both at the same time.
>>712432270
also agnostic is pretty much assumed when talking to atheists, so the word can be just dropped and left to just atheist.
>>712432100
How does asking for proof of something make you a coward. I think believing in something simply because you were indoctrinated into it during your childhood and you are afraid to even question it makes you more of a coward.
>>712431604
That's part of why it's useless. Because you assume that some who calls themselves an atheist is making a claim. Many people who believe have the same reaction.
That's why it's more important to drop the labels and focus on conversation.
The premise of this thread is flawed in that regard. Those who don't believe, are answering a nonsensical question.
>>712432246
Okay so that is how you define those concepts. Have you researched how many other define the same concepts? Because your way of seeing it is new to me.
>>712432339
That is how I see it as well, it is also the way of understanding it I meet the most when discussing it with other people.
>>712432504
Yes I can, because I don't use the words the same way as you do.
>>712432511
I append it there when I discuss with religious people, to avoid their assertion, that I assert that I know god does not exist.
>>712432481
"I do not know" is just dishonest mate, believing in a god is an active thing and you did believe in a god, you would most certainly know it.
Im sorry but its you who is playing with emotions here, you are trying so hard to not be labeled as an atheist, because you hate them?
You do either believe in a god or you dont, thats a logical absolute, you are either a theist or an atheist and saying you dont know which you are is dishonest to the max.
You are unable to answer the easy yes or no question because it would hurt your ego, it would prove that you arent better than everyone else.
You are an atheist, like it or not and the best part is, you cant even deny it, because you know it, it would mean that you are a theist.
welcome to reality.
>>712432511
>you can just assume I'm being logical and fair
>even though I'm not
Gee I wonder why an atheist would want that to be the norm. Maybe because anyone with half a brain can see atheism is practically a cult of a hypocrisy and ego with no more logical backing than any other religion.
>>712432581
It's currently fashionable to mock the religious instead of thinking. In addition, atheists try to twist and distort terms like agnostic to claim the high ground they gave up on the declaration of an unfounded claim.
Basically, atheists made up the terms agnostic theist/gnostic theist/etc etc because they're cowards and wont' look at their own logical fallacies.
Claim: There is a god
Reaction: Why do you believe that?
Claim: Provides flawed argument.
Reaction: Ok I don't believe you.
>>712432948
"I do not know" is the foundation for the scientific method you faggot.
The question isn't "do you believe in God" it's "Is there a God".
>>712433001
Theist
Logic
Pick one
>>712433001
>Maybe because anyone with half a brain can see atheism is practically a cult of a hypocrisy and ego with no more logical backing than any other religion.
sounds like agnosticism to me.
>>712432948
I don't believe people when they claim there is a God.
What reason is there to believe there is one?
>>712433001
I would never mock you on the Sabbath. Thank god it's Sunday instead, lol.
>>712433100
Too bad for you, because thats what im asking, do YOU believe in God?
>>712433265
It's pretty simple m8. Atheist claim there is no God. Which is the same as claiming there's a flying spaghetti monster. You have no proof and you're making a claim. Deal with it.
>>712433246
Well you have an unanswerable question: is there a God? Theists are less likely to commit suicide, use drugs, and are generally happier.
If the answer is unknowable it'd be more logical to pick the one that makes you less likely to fall into a deep depression, if you're not smart enough to actually be logical ie an agnostic.
>>712432832
Well I am defining those concepts based on what they mean, and on the logical basis that you can't claim one thing, and then admit the opposite in the same phrase.
>>712433515
I don't believe or disbelieve in anything without evidence because I'm not a crazy person.
No that doesn't make me an atheist, that makes me an agnostic. The word has always meant the same thing, some atheist loonies are not going to redefine a word and erase a perfectly valid and perhaps the best possible stance.
>>712433553
its simple and you still got it wrong?
im an atheist and i absolutely do not claim there is no god.
1. look up strawman fallacy and the burden of proof fallacy
2. please realise, asap, that words can be used in more than 1 way, humanity might depend on it.
>>712433553
Trying to shift the burden of proof.
What reason is there to think that there is a God?
>>712433553
Make up shit much? Some of the most secular countries have the highest standards of living. Happy, low drug abuse, low suicide rates.
Nigga please...
>>712433594
But atheist means someone who lacks belief in gods and agnostic means not knowing.
So if I claim not to know if gods exist, but lack of evidence for them, make me lack a belief in them. Wouldn't that make me an agnostic atheist?
>>712433885
For fuck sake the words don't fucking matter.
Put the burden of proof on them if you want results.
>>712433806
You believe there is no God?
You disbelieve there is a God.
There is no difference, both are a claim.
>>712433826
I'm not making any claims. I know that God, if there is one, is beyond our understanding and thus it'd be pointless to try to guess if it's there or not.
>>712433871
Wow, you couldn't be more wrong. Look it up before answering so faithfully you religious little monkey.
>>712433696
>I don't believe or disbelieve in anything without evidence because I'm not a crazy person.
so you dont believe in a god, you dont believe there is no god either. under my definition (and the definition of all who call themselves atheist) you are indeed an atheist.
words can be used in more than 1 way, please realise that before you continue reading or posting.
Also, please realise that not believing something does NOT mean you believe that thing to be false.
once you have done enough research to verify what i just sayd, come back and announce your atheism my friend.
>>712434175
>atheists co-opt agnosticism
>everyone just has to deal with it
No. Make your claim that there is no God and leave me and other logical people out of it.
>>712434054
No, because what I am saying makes sense, you just don't want to admit it.
If someone claims that there indeed is a god, I will of course ask them to prove it.
>>712433885
Sure, if you are comfortable with claiming to not know, then basing your beliefs in something you claim to not know. Personally, I can't wrap my head around how you could justify that.
>>712434171
See:Scandinavia, Japan, et al. Compare to hyper religious African or South American countries
Again, make up shit much?
>>712434171
>You believe there is no God?
>You disbelieve there is a God.
>There is no difference, both are a claim.
just no, lol, firstly saying you believe or dont believe something is not a claim and secondly not believing something is not the same as believing that thing to be false.
notice the key words, NOT BELIEVING is not the same as BELIEVING.
its not the same by definition, because one if believing and the other is NOT.
>>712434403
>implying I said religious governments
Religious people, individuals.
Also don't forget all those secular dictatorships if you want to play the governments game.
>>712434171
So if someone asks me "Do you believe in God?"
and I answer 'no', what a I claiming? (according to you)
>>712434171
>I know that God, if there is one, is beyond our understanding
thats a nice little conclusion there mate, say hello to the staff in the mental hospital.
like, you dont even know if there is a god, but you know something about that god. how fucking retarded is that, answer, VERY!
>>712434390
Well it's fairly simple for me to do. It's like when I say I don't believe in unicorns. There are stories about them, but no actual proof of them existing.
I can't prove they don't exist, so I'm an agnostic unicorn-disbeliever.
>>712434443
it literally is a claim.
If I tell you I'm wearing a blue shirt and you say you don't believe me, you are saying my shirt is not blue.
If you simply say "I don't know" then you're being logical because obviously you need to see my shirt before agreeing or disagreeing.
>>712434668
That there is no God. My reason for saying it's implicitly a part of atheism is because you were willing to answer the question without any facts. Exactly like someone who says "yes" you've put all your eggs in one basket so to speak and can no longer be an objective observer.
>>712434691
Yes because knowing the definition of a word means you're crazy. There's a reason gods aren't mortals no matter what mythology you choose to read.
>>712434337
I understand what you are saying.
It's a useless semantic argument that's getting us nowhere.
>>712435008
Where exactly do you want it to go?
We're in a bait thread on /b/.
If I want to put importance in how I understand and use words, shouldn't I be able to?
>>712434830
>If I tell you I'm wearing a blue shirt and you say you don't believe me, you are saying my shirt is not blue.
no, just no. its really weird to me how you can even say that, now i claim that i have 223 shirts on me at this moment, you propably dont believe me so you are claiming that im not, well since you made the claim why dont you back it up and show some evidence?
>>712434830
i say i dont believe you, but i dont know either, like how could i.
see how disbelief and claim to claim to knowledge are completedly different?
nah you propably dont, im starting to think you are too stupid to have a constructive conversation with.
>>712435256
How is the probability of a being outside human understanding going to be determined?
It's just pride that makes you say "No there is no God" or "No you dont' have 223 shirts on" when instead you should just seek out the truth without making baseless claims.
>>712435477
so you do believe i have 223 shirts on right now?
you are way stupider than i thought.
>>712434830
no dude, it's like the null hypothesis.
You don't believe something until a relationship has been demonstrated. Even then you have to be skeptical and await further evidence before ascribing some confidence.
That's as objective as you can get.
>>712434171
it amazes me how someone who knows so little about the subject argues so strongly, it must be ego, or retardation.
oh my, could it be both? a narcisstic retard? i've never met one before.
how is your life like?
>>712435634
You can call me stupid, you're just appealing to base emotions like atheists typically do.
>>712435866
ditto
Usually the atheist crowds I speak to go with "coward" instead of "stupid" but it all amounts to the same.
Appeal to emotion.
>>712435181
My opinion is that by answering a nonsensical question, you are conceding ground in this discussion.
Instead we could say "I don't believe in God. why do you?"
If you want to waste time arguing the definition of a useless word, by all means. I'll leave you to it.
>>712435657
This!
This is how I assert my agnostic atheism. To me gods have no relationship in either direction of nonexistence or existence. So I don't believe in them, but do not claim to know they don't exist either.
>>712436110
>You can call me stupid, you're just appealing to base emotions like atheists typically do.
The irony. You don't see it.
>>712436110
dude, did you just respond to name calling without addressing the actual argument?
did you also assume my emotional state? not cool dude, not cool.
i guess i have to repeat, when i say you dont believe that i am, right now, wearing 223 shirts, am i right?
>>712436110
Hey the null hypothesis can be rejected for the low low price of:
Demonstrating your fucking case!
>>712436126
But we're basically just a bunch of people who don't believe or claim to not know and thus don't bother with it here. If theists were chiming in, I would be engaging them in different ways.
>>712436443
I could have sworn there was a believer in here somewhere..
>>712436443
im here to get these so called "agnostics" to step down from their imaginary superior middle ground.
if there was something between theism and atheism, i would be right there with you, but im too honest to say there is.
>>712434547
Did you say... Game? Lol
>>712436631
If there is, the person haven't talked for a while.
I actually like when they do, I'm rather interested in theology in spite of being an atheist.
>>712436706
Why do you think I've been asserting agnostic atheist since I joined this semantics discussion?
>>712436962
oh i wasnt talking about you, im talking about this >>712434830 guy.
also the original OP who started these threads like 2 years ago was one of those "im agnostic so i dont believe in a god and dont not believe at the same time" type of guys.
>>712437408
Hmm, here's a thought.
We've been discussing with original op, who was enticed back into this copycat thread by nostalgia.
>>712437408
> "im agnostic so i dont believe in a god and dont not believe at the same time"
Quite an astounding feat of self inflicted retardation
>>712437662
i was thinking that too, but there is no way to tell. im happy to burst their bubbles either way.
>>712437721
IKR
>>712421676
Hahaha you're on 4chan telling people they need to do something with their lives... We have obviously made a choice faggot
>>712419742
>>712438361
Why do the atheists have a rainbow flag?
>>712438459
Teach a man religion and he'll starve praying for a fish...
>>712438707
But he'll die happily knowing that jesus will give him fish in heaven or something.
>>712425905
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>>712419742
Atheism
noun
disbelief or lack of belief in the existence of God or gods
>>712419742
Why can't theists define god?
>>712438815
Religiotard logic. Yes, your sarcasm is appreciated.
>>712421930
i am intrigued. do have have anymore information about this organization, friend?
>>712438361
we all agree OP is a fag.
>>712436928
Well, I really don't want to, but if the voice in my head said to do it...
LOL JK THIS FAG WAS GONNA DO IT!
Genesis 22:2
>>712439617
OP is always a faggot and that's no Freudian slip
>>712439517
Your appreciation is appreciated.
>>712438176
Is that really what you got out of that exchange? Kill yourself faggot, we are all faggots here. Including the faggots calling other faggots faggots and trolls.
>>712440287
Faggot Faggot troll...
That sounds like the /b/ version of duck duck goose.
>>712419742
>>712440151
Fuck it, let's get a room.
>me, irl
Joking...
>>712440430
I find it funny that you felt you needed to add the joking p.s.
>>712440937
I find it funny that you find that funny
>not funny queer, funny ha ha
>>712441498
MmHmm
