Convince me climate change is real.
how about don't be an uneducated drip of pond scum and fuck off
>>712400637
It's a joke. Now they are saying that methane from cow farts cause global warming.
Cows have been around for thousands of years, and NOW they magically start to ruin Earth?
>>712400637
Climate change is real. The hoax is the claim that something could be done about it without doing something about overpopulation.
>>712401334
nice b8 m8
>>712401334
Yeah this here.
Plus there was a time when someone asked if all the extra CO2 getting pumped into the atmosphere would actually HELP plant life and the ecosystem, the climate change scientist couldn't rebut it.
>>712400637
Google global dimming. Every year less light makes it to Earth's surface mostly because of particulate pollution from burning fuel. In some places the light dropped by like 20% over a decade. Literally irrefutable evidence that we're fucking shit up
>>712401701
I would be perfectly fine with global warming if there's also global dimming.
Bring on the pollution then.
>>712400637
>Convince me climate change is real.
Convince me otherwise without using an alt-right website.
>>712401467
Ever heard of overproduction? It's a problem the US face in the 1920s. It would be a similar issue for plants in that yes, they do need CO2, but they don't need as much as we're producing right now. As for the rest of the ecosystem, they fucking produce it, they don't need more.
>>712401990
>they do need CO2, but they don't need as much as we're producing right now.
Found the hoaxer.
http://www.livescience.com/44330-jurassic-dinosaur-carbon-dioxide.html
>>712401334
Realistically we shouldn't waste land raising cattle. They store like 1% of the sun's energy as biomass so we'd get 10x the calories/field with food crops. Aquaponic farms allow meat to be grown in the same field you plant in meaning you get more food at a similar energy cost
>>712401990
You realize 78% of our air is nitrogen right?
Fuck off retard
Climate change is happening.
Man made climate change is another story. The world as a whole was much more productive during the industrial boom with harmful methods of industrialization than it is now, particularly in the western world deindustrialisation, yet the world is now hotter. We don't know what is causing this. The popularization of the car is a drop in the ocean compared to what we supposedly did to the plant during the industrial revolution, yet is being pushed as a reason for it.
>>712400637
it's warmer today than it was yesterday
case closed
>>712401903
They don't balance out. "Global warming" is more accurately referred to as climate change because it alters weather patterns on a global scale (forests becoming deserts, deserts becoming marshlands, etc) so if it continues farmland becomes unusable in some places. Global dimming is a reduction in the amount of light reaching the Earth's surface, which means that every year you can grow less food for a shorter period of time. As far as farming is concerned it's a double wammy
>>712400637
The greenhouse effect is the claim that gases more easily absorb different frequencies of light, which is, for example, the basis for infrared photography. Pic related: that's not postprocessing, that's either film that's sensitive to near-infrared light, or a digital camera with a infrared-pass filter. All objects in the universe glow with frequency based on their temperature, which is the basis of night-vision goggles. The claim of climate change is, the frequency of light emitted by the glow of the Earth is preferentially absorbed by greenhouse gases, and that atmospheric concentration of greenhouse gases is going up. The anthropogenic climate change claim is that the increase in greenhouse gas concentration is chiefly down to human pollution.
Which claim here do you disagree with?
>>712402199
Better yet, get rid of all niggers, mexicans, dot-heads, sand-niggers, chinks...; then there would be plenty of room and resources to live in a balanced ecosystem.
>>712401413
This.
You can't deal with climate change without addressing there are now 5x the number of people on the planet there was 100 years ago, all consuming food, and historically living longer than they ever have. Stopping industrialization is like taking a paracetamol pill to cure your cancer - Its not addressing the problem
>>712402542
It's warmer this afternoon than it was during night
>>712401413
Earth has a theoretical carrying capacity of 11 billion. We can have our cake and eat it too, that's what separates us from the animals
>>712402297
That's like putting too much egg in a cake and someone saying, you do realise 78% of the cake is flour right?
There's this thing called proportionality, you should probably find out what it means...
>>712400637
it's too late for convincing
there's been convincing proof for like fifty years now
but it's too late to keep arguing about that
because the poles are twenty fucking degrees hotter right now than they should be
and we're going to be underwater in short order
the argument is over
the ice is coming
>>712403091
So what if we exceed the carrying capacity? Will Earth slow down because of the excess weight like in RPGs and days go longer?
>>712401467
>>712401334
cows haven't been around for thousands of years
modern cows are a lot different from ancient cows
and we have an awful lot more cows now than at any time in the past
you might as well be trying to argue that car exhaust isn't a problem because chariots have always existed
I believe in climate change but I dont give a fuck
Let the next generation worry about it as we party it up
>>712400637
The long and the short of it, is the Earth goes through cylical small climatic shifts over time that affect temperature, sea level, composition of land by category (forest, desert, marshlands, etc). There's a lot of complexity to the system. Seismic shifts, natural and man-made greenhouse effects, wobble of the rotation axis of the Earth, etc. It's a very complex and chaotic system.
The effect of man on that system is currently debatable (in the sense of not being completely settled science, but currently the operating theory), despite what the militant tree-huggers would have you believe. There is some initial research suggesting that magnetic pole shifts (and the effects on the tectonic movements/lava movements) might actually be responsible for the recent more radical climatic shifts (these changes tend occur on the millions of years time scale, as opposed to the hundreds of thousands scale they're currently examining).
Anywho, shit's getting squirrelly, we're gonna have to either adapt or die, and honestly, a population thinning effect would likely be good for the species long-term, but that's another argument for another day.
>>712402461
Thread
I'd imagine a fair amount of the shit in our atmosphere trapping the heat comes more from coal burning and all those nuclear tests from 1945-1996.
Funnily enough, the global warming shit is feared by the alt-right because
>m-muh jews wanna take over the world
but they fail to realize just who remains rich if we don't take steps towards renewable resources.
>>712403091
Theoretically, you could fit several hundred goldfish in a 2'x1'x1' aquarium. Try that and see how it works out...
>>712403268
What if the Earth's magnetic field disappears and the sea's boil away? We need to utilize our resources more effectively and in less damaging ways and believe that we can overcome whatever's next. The rest is irrelevant
>>712400637
cl8mate change is real.
global warming is a myth
FACT: One year of volcanic activity on Earth creates more CO2 than all of human history combined.
>>712400637
It is real. The question is whether or not it's man made.
Hint: it isn't.
>>712404136
But that would exceed the theoretical carrying capacity of that bowl, wouldn't it? I don't believe that aquarium could support more than 1 fish without outside help
>>712403382
Your argument and parallels are shit
What you are saying about the cows could also be said about people
>Oh.. people didnt exist thousands of years ago, those were ancient people...
Shut the fuck up, a cow is a cow. They existed then and they exist now. Deal with it.
>>712403091
Yet even at only 7 billion, there are people starving and we're burning through non-renewable energy sources pretty quickly and generating huge amounts of waste that sit in landfills because reasons, I guess.
>>712404258
Cite or die
>>712404507
They exist in astronomically larger numbers now. This is indisputable.
>>712400637
Donald trump thinks it's a conspiracy from the chinese.
>mfw
Remember, you voted for him.
>>712404507
holy shit you're retarded
what>>712403382 said is correct
>>712403091
>Earth has a theoretical carrying capacity of 11 billion.
But in practice, we already consume resources faster than they are renewed. Plus we are obliterating biodiversity. Plus the humans that are in the "lowest places of the economical ladder" are already dying of hunger. Plus the tensions the clashes between ethnic and other groups are constantly increasing since no one has anywhere to "escape" each other anymore.
Yeah, sure there are "theoretical limits".
But you could just as well say that "if you worked 80 hours a week, grew your own food, made your own clothes, lived in a tent, only slept two hours a night and never got sick and put all your money into savings, then you'd be a millionaire in 10 years"... just because something is possible in theory, doesn't mean it's actually realistic.
>>712400637
Nuclear plants are completely cheaper than oil and gas and less pollution goyim.
dont trust clean coal or renewables at all.
Chenobyl and dimona? pure coincidence.
>>712404247
Almost. Both Cl8mate change and global warming are real. It's the 'but humans are responsible' bit that's the myth.
>>712400637
Requesting the religion version of this image please. I like to use it to BTFO athiests.
>>712400637
>All testing done says its not CO2 production since every model using CO2 has failed (so far)
>Ice cores for 400k years have shown a pattern warm/cool cycle trend (minus major events like volcanos/meteors)
>Mars having the same rise in temp as the earth may prove that sun spots are having a direct effect on earth temps
The only thing we know for sure is that we were in a warming cycle and any 'scientist' using consensus and not actual repeatable testing/methods to prove anything is a snek oil sales man.
>>712404603
People don't have to starve and we could be refining uranium out of seawater at 3ppb. We have options, the problem is the rich and the politicians focusing on increasing their wealth and power instead of helping
>>712402461
>We don't know what is causing this
you might not, but people with science degrees and real research are quite convinced it is the continuous build up of co2... it didn't just stop. it didn't just go away.
>>712404414
pretty much this.
the climate has been changing since before man existed
how do you explain an ice age
>>712402815
no one is saying stop industrialization - just stop carbon dioxide and methane emissions. Preferably capture them.
>>712401413
Nope that is bullshit 1 percent of the population have private jets and shit like that and they blame the poor for eating a bit of steak fuck off!
>>712403168
>because the poles are twenty fucking degrees hotter right now than they should be
this.
just this.
>>712404507
There are approximately 1.4 billion cattle on the planet. That's a lot of cows.
>>712401334
I'm helping the environment by eating beef.
>>712405384
Never have I ever been this hard and wanted a steak this bad in my life. I'm going to Outback tonight.
>>712404603
resources are a jewish lie get rid of ((((bp))) and (((bhp bilton))) and they fall.
just like the diamond market.
>>712404909
cl8mate change and global warming are 2 completely different subjects
>>712404871
>the humans that are in the "lowest places of the economical ladder" are already dying of hunger.
That's not a problem of resources, it's a problem of allocation. Farmers could produce more than they currently do, but when you greatly increase the supply, the cost goes down. When the sale cost goes down but the production cost didn't, you lose money.
Then there's the fact that those starving people don't have money to buy food anyway.
So it's not that we *can't* feed everyone, it's that we *won't* feed everyone. In other words, it's not a limit caused by planetary resources, just human behavior.
>>712404979
>the problem is the rich and the politicians
I disagree. I feel the real problem is the mindless drones in society; they continually support these people because they think that someday it'll be their turn at the top of the heap.
They are tools used by the upper class and they should be treated with cruelty.
>>712404603
I can't cite it, the illuminati has wiped all traces of it from the internet and replaced it with hundreds of "debunking" articles written by Jews
>>712404258
Volcanoes emit 0.3 billion tons of CO2 per year. Humans create 29 billion tons of CO2 per year. You need to work on your maths, mate.
>>712401467
actually the climate change scientist did rebut it. Or more precisely said that it might promote groth rates in plants, but at the cost of horrific changes in climate that will likely involve flooding most of the eastern seabord of the US, Bangladesh, and holland, the loss of venice and London, and the forced migration of everyone in north africa and the middle east to Northern Europe.
>>712404871
Except this is as simple as better management of resources on a global scale.
How many people can a farm feed? There are better styles of farm that grow more food with the same land and a small increase in the energy costs
How many people can live in an apartment building? There are styles of apartment building that can provide all the amenities at a fraction of the energy cost
Earth is nowhere near, full the problem is people don't like change
>>712405477
I have too much money in bhp. so It can't be a cause
>>712404053
>The effect of man on that system is currently debatable (in the sense of not being completely settled science, but currently the operating theory),
not much debate to be honest. Look at the data - the Anthropocene has started.
>>712405458
I could go for a good steak right now too. Still, climate wise it's not exactly healthy. They're also ridiculously energy inefficient.
>>712405536
They're definitely perpetuating it, but it's not their fault that's how they've been trained to act. Care to wager who trained them?
>>712404890
only retards claim that nuclear energy is clean you fucking imbecile.
>>712400637
Have you EVER been to a coastal city?
The reason conservatives don't believe in climate change is because they mostly live insignificant rural flyover states.
>>712404909
You know it does not matter who is responsible - what matters is that we should take steps to cool the earth. So all the things the scientists say are vital - are vital. even if we didn't change this, we need to do something now. (and by the way, we did. it isnt a myth. the science is in.)
>>712401334
Its a satanist jewish cabal plot. the rothschilds control the climate change bank in switzerland.
They want you to eat insects and to not have kids.
nothing to do with climate change and everything to do with breaking leviticus and sacrificing the first born son to molech.
>>712405027
>people with science degrees and real research
those 'scientist' haven't proven anything other than come up with a hypothesis and asking for more money and their research aren't real or fabricated.
>continuous build up of co2... it didn't just stop. it didn't just go away.
Once again, all the CO2 models failed (because water is actually the greenhouse gas to watch out for) and plants absorbing CO2 has actually stop or reverse desertification in some areas. So, yes, it technically is going away.
>>712405477
I am unsure of what you mean by this.
>>712405730
Do some digging on the shifting of magnetic poles, how that affects current through the largely iron core. Current changes through any conductor can cause increases in heat.
I'm not saying it's the only cause, but what I am saying, is it's something that needs to be investigated. There's people who are already noticing the shift claiming climate change is causing it, but anyone with a basic understanding of electro-magnetics and physics would know that it's more likely the other way around.
>>712405934
Is it possible then that the reason people in coastal cities are SO eager to believe in it is because it is a direct threat to their livelihood and there's a cognitive dissonance associated with that?
>>712404933
>All testing done says its not CO2 production since every model using CO2 has failed (so far)
source for this extraordinary claim?
>Ice cores for 400k years have shown a pattern warm/cool cycle trend (minus major events like volcanos/meteors)
but nothing like the warming trend in the last two hundred years. Nothing even remotely like it.
>t sun spots are having a direct effect on earth temps
this effect is already counted for in all climate change models.
sorry mate, you are wrong - climate change is man made a real.
The earth is also an open system that is constantly bombarded with solar radiation, for that reason among others, climate is always changing.
While actions of mankind are affecting the atmospheric composition, claims that mankind is solely responsible for long-term temperature shifts or even the "end of the world" are dubious at best. In some cases they have been outright debunked by simply observing the failure of past predictions, and the methods by which scientists measure or flatly guess or otherwise misrepresent temperatures around the world in order to make other extreme predictions appear to come true.
>>712405985
>that's a nice factory you have there, <competition>. It would be a shame if crippling environment taxes happened to it.
>>712401413
overpopulation is a function of resource consumption, population size is just one of the contributing variables and not the most significant one at this point.
Overpopulation is a problem is America, it is not a problem in countries that are not consuming resources at an extravagantly high rate.
>>712406015
Water is not a greenhouse gas. It's atmospheric concentration is driven by the average temperature of the earth and it reaches equilibrium in a week. Water has the potential to exacerbate global warming but not drive it
>>712405163
do some basic research into this and find out...
https://www.edx.org/course/making-sense-climate-science-denial-uqx-denial101x-2
I've always been curious as to what the hacked emails from the g20 summit contained.
Anybody know if they're available online?
>>712400637
Didn't you answer the question in your picture? You should not give a fuck if it's real or not, because actual pollution is real.
>>712406319
America is actually very sparsely populated compared to other countries. Overconsumption is the US's biggest problem
>>712405878
>it's not their fault
Most of them have access to the internet. You can't have access to the world's greatest collection of knowledge and not be blamed for ignorance.
I would blame myself if I was born poor and remained poor.
>>712406152
not everyone who lives in a coastal city has a livelihood that depends on the coast, actually it's a pretty small fraction of them.
It's more like they can see the effects pretty fucking easily.
FYI, the North Pole is 36 degrees hotter than it should be right now.
>>712406660
3.6
Just look at how record highs/lows for days started popping up all the time, and think about why you don't see as much of that in the news now.
>>712404507
so you know nothing of animal husbandry
we've been breeding these things in a very specific direction for a long time
todays cows are not like yesterday's cows
and todays cows are much, much more numerous
>>712406318
>that's a nice idea you have there, <competition>. It would be a shame if you horned in on our turf. Here, have an anti-intellectual movement courtesy of the plebs we control.
>>712402754
Or we can start with people like you
>>712405319
right? I don't understand how people can hear this and still think there's not a problem.
>>712406623
population density is low, but the US is the third most populous nation on the planet, behind China and India.
The problem of overpopulation is not population density by any stretch of the imagination, there is plenty of empty space on this planet. The issue is consumption per capita, of which the US is the largest problem in the planet by a great deal. Therefore, every single birth in the US contributes significantly more to overpopulation than the average birth outside the US.
>>712402077
Where are they quoting said scientists? Where is this study? They can say scientists found anything and said whatever they like and without sources how do we know it's not complete bullshit?
>>712400637
Climate change is real and has been happening on earth for years. It's a natural process. Global warming is also real as it does affect our planet but it's not powerful enough to affect climate change.
>>712405985
Churchill was the first adopter of big oil and helped overthrow the shah of iran for oil company bp.
the original ford car ran on hemp oil and henry ford had no intention of converting it over.
bio diesel is the original diesel invented by alfred diesel, he was found dead in the english channel.
for 100 years we have been lied to that petroleum is the only way to power things and that all alternatives are quackery. after that nuclear was accepted as it generated alot of debt to create a large plant even if it was well designed and was relatively safe.
Hinkley point c is pure rothschild greed and about france? The rothschilds indebted france with their first railway.
The jew lord browne controls bp along with shell and creates enviromental disasters for their shareholders benefit.
Bp is behind the prudhoe bay field which was developed especially to heat the artic.
the BP are also in bed with rosneft which is massively full of russian jewry. they are drilling the artic to melt it.
It doesn't matter that you eat meat twice a week its what these kikes are doing with artic drilling and haarp which is causing this. The nsa are well known to be in bed with the jews just watch ncis.
>>712406624
Why would they have to find good information on the internet when Facebook brings them 100% truthful information everytime they log in?
>>712407193
and was henry ford the man who saw his hemp oil car sidelined redpilled?
read this and tell me.
>>712406837
IT'S THE HOTTEST DAY EVER MEASURED*
> *on this day of the year
> *at this specific tiny village
> *they only started logging the temperature this year when the village bought their first PC
>>712407079
Probably because it's pure bullshit. Polar ice has been expanding, not melting away. Besides, even the self-described scientists pushing this bullshit haven't alleged a temperature spike of that magnitude. 20 degrees? ALL the ice would be gone by now if that was the case.
>>712407205
I suppose we can look forward to Jewbook censoring fake news sites, now. Whether they use it properly or to promote a false agenda will be seen.
>>712407082
>population density is low
>consumption per capita is too high
Yep it's definitely that there's too many people, not at all that they need to use less
global warming is just an financial vehicle for cronies. you might just as well replace the the threat of rising temperature with the threat of hostile alien reptiles.
caring about the environment is a good thing, but not if it's spearheaded by economic interest
>>712407413
watch futurama,the simpsons or anything adultswim/fox related goyim?
>>712407578
Isn't that what he said?
>>712407699
>replace a studied, quantified phenomenon with an unverifiable alt-right conspiracy
Yeah, seems like a fair comparison.
>>712401413
the part that makes humans special is that if we work together we can.
or we can just build a couple big rockets and fuck off to some place else...
lets see another animal do that, fucking degenerates.
>>712407699
This.
No matter what we do with pollution and global warming, we would just effectively open our borders to a more brutal civilization IE chinese.
I would rather the planet destroy all humanity than let the Chinese be in charge.
>>712400637
Climate change denial is just propaganda from energy companies. Only frightened morons and partisan shills deny it at this point.
>>712406660
Seeing as you know everything about all this. How about you explain how we know its 36 degrees hotter than it 'should be'. Who told you. And who they shared their data with to verify this is correct.
I'll check this thread in ten years, because you can't answer the last part. The IPCC refuse to share their vast data sets for actual scientific verification (which is how science works). This means, it hasn't been scientifically proven as they have repeatedly claimed through the media.
>>712406186
Then name a working model?
Pretty much all the models predicted a major increase in temps but real world data actually showed it barely moved or stagnated.
>nothing like the warming trend in the last two hundred years. Nothing even remotely like it.
Ice core data from some 2000 years ago actually shows we aren't warming as fast as or as warm as the roman warm period
>this effect is already counted for in all climate change models.
Once again, can you name it so I can look at them or at least search for them?
Not really being a hater but I just like science and actual science on global warming isn't even closed to being settled (unless you're getting millions to say it is like the premier climate researchers at london school of econ)
>>712405893
sure is cleaner to store your waste in a barrel undergound then just dump it in the air and see where it settles down
Coal is so bad if compared per terrawatt/h its like Hiroshima exploding being its natural state instead of a freak disaster.
>>712407877
>Isn't that what he said?
It was sarcasm. Try exercising critical thought
>>712408196
This
>>712403440
The lampshade's on fire as the lights go out
Back in the 1970s, scientists and the newspapers and magazines publishing their announcements frantically warned of a coming ice age. This was based on temperature data, which showed a steady decline in temperatures since the 1930s. Now, these same institutions are telling us that temperatures have been steadily rising for the whole century, with graphs to demonstrate.
How can forty years of the same temperature data show cooling back then and warming now? The answer is that NOAA and NASA went back and CHANGED THE DATA. They've not only been revising the more recent numbers upward, but revised the older measurements downward so as to create the appearance of a long term warming trend.
On top of that, we have a bunch of emails hacked from climate scientists at the University of East Anglia showing these scientists talking about "hiding the decline", making up numbers entirely, and conspiring to block skeptics from publication in scientific journals.
Yeah, sure, the global warming hypothesis sounds reasonable on its face, but if it's accurate, why do its proponents commit so much fraud and push their conclusions to the point where it looks like an Orwellian propaganda campaign?
That, boys and girls, is why I call bullshit on global warming.
>>712406822
no, it's 36 degrees Fahrenheit, as in 20 degrees Celsius
quit spreading lies you piece of shit
>>712407877
reptoids are also "researched" and claimed to be dismissed only by those of "lesser minds"
>http://www.reptoids.com/
>http://reptoids.wikia.com/wiki/Reptoids_Wiki
i'm not alt-right nor an reptoid conspirator, but i don't buy this bogus global warming nonsense. it's nothing more than an engineered hype to make people buy stuff, like gluten-free food or apple products
>>712400637
The polar ice caps melted in 2000, after the New Ice Age starved hundreds of millions, just like the environmentalists said.
>>712407522
no, all of the ice is on it's way gone now because that is the case
look it up
>>712406402
>I concede
Looking into again you're right. I just remembered the part where its accountable for 50% or so of the warming but it actually doesn't control the temps but rather controlled by the temp.
>>712408277
I thought it might be sarcasm.
Why you'd repeat what a guy said back to him in a sarcastic tone is beyond me.
>>712408514
>http://reptoids.wikia.com/wiki/Reptoids_Wiki
>most visited articles
>click*
>nothing
>click*
>nothing
>Boy somebody did a good job assembling this website.
>>712408511
It's 3.6 Decidegrees of Fahrenheit you stupid cunt. Lern to science.
>>712408854
Water's numbers as a greenhouse gas are insane though. Thank God it falls out of the sky so often
>>712408904
That's where the critical thought comes in. That guy doesn't understand the difference between overconsumption and overpopulation. I think the concept might elude you as well
>>712408555
Ahem...
http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/20/global-warming-expedition-stopped-in-its-tracks-by-arctic-sea-ice/
https://www.nasa.gov/content/goddard/antarctic-sea-ice-reaches-new-record-maximum
>>712400637
It must be real because governments are using it as a reason to collect tax and start carbon offset projects. Those taxes are always collected and used for the greater good based on legitimate need and the carbon offsets are in no way being abused by industry who are literally paid money to reduce their CO2 emissions... it's not like they increased them on purpose before signing up to receive them only to go back to standard production levels and be paid.
Oh, wait... it's the opposite of all that, isn't it?
All the cars on the road in the USA - ALL of them - is the same CO2 production as about 15 shipping container ships. Right now there are about 400 shipping containers in regular transit.
Cows produce more methane than any other source and methane produces a significantly worse greenhosue effect than CO2.
Cows and shipping container ships are the biggest contributors to controllable greenhouse emissions but governments are collecting taxes to encourage people to buy expensive new cars that do genuinely nothing to reduce CO2 emission. Electric vehicles use lithium ore which is mostly mined in Canada supplied to manufacturers in China / Japan and then batteries are shipped to countries where they are constructed using standard factory production methods used for the production of regular cars. All theshipping of parts: shipping container ships do them. The carbon footprint of the production of a fully electric vehicle is significantly larger than a regular car which massively increases its overhead to the point where you'd have to drive it for longer than a regular car just to clear the production footprint. Those batteries have a 5 to 7 year expected life and will need replacing... cycle continues.
Global warming is being used as an excuse to promote business & collect tax, nothing more.
Sad part: it's actually happening and the bleeding heart liberals think that these taxes, offsets and electric vehicles will do something to stop it. kek.
>>712401334
It is not the cows. It is the bacteria that live in the cow's guts that produces methane, which is a more efficient greenhouse gas than say, CO2. Methane is destroyed in the atmosphere by sunlight, so, while strong, it doesn't last as long.
>>712400637
it is real, open your stupid eyes ......
>>712409261
Not as crazy as the fact that there's actually some reasonably scientific people on /b/ who actually looks at all the data and not just treat it as a religion and parrot the gospels
>>712400637
I guess I'll need to remind you that the earth isn't flat as well?
>>712400637
look at India.
...
profit!!
>>712400637
>Convince me climate change is real.
We dump billions of tons of heat-trapping gases into the atmosphere every year. Why wouldn't it happen? What process would prevent that from heating the atmosphere?
>>712410706
>Implying geologic history is equivalent to human history.
>Being this new to science.
>Or are you a creationist and believe the Earth was only around for 5 days before people popped out?
>>712410706
Here's a reminder that water vapor is the strongest greenhouse gas in existence.
Stay mad, suck NDTs dick some more nigger lover.
>>712410207
A few years ago the whole planet earth was covered in ice. And some years before that it was covered in liquid fire
Clima is changing - up and down - since.. always
Are you blind?
>>712410882
>u w0t?
It's just that people who deny climate change and mankind's effect on it tend to also believe in a flat earth, demons/angels, and a horned red guy who lives underground.
>>712410943
>strongest gas in existence
CO2 is what HOLDS IN heat. Having that on a global scale causes the earth to heat up. Look at Venus.
>>712409637
>The problem of overpopulation is not population density by any stretch of the imagination
>The issue is consumption per capita
Seems like he understands just fine.
You can be overpopulated while also having very low population density. Let's assume that overconsumption is using resources faster than they can be renewed. The actual term overconsumption is too vague/subjective. Overconsumption would then only happen when a populace has grown too large to support itself. You could argue that overconsumption is using more than you need but then that raises other questions; how much do you need? Are we only including things we need? What is needed?
The entire world could be overpopulated with only 1000 people if they all tried real hard to fuck everything up.
>>712410878
>>712410706
If CO2 really was driving warming, we would see a rise in temperature roughly proportionally equivalent, but that's not the case. We're pumping out all this CO2 and yet it still comprises a minuscule portion of our atmosphere and it's not any hotter now than it was in the 1930s. If the alarmists are to be believed about the role of CO2, we should be literally cooking right now.
That discrepancy alone is proof enough that the warmers don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>712409935
You write in a very similar manner to me. Sarcastic but with facts and an overall good point.
You also seem like a huge asshole.
>>712411302
You realize that every time we've noticed the earth heating up, we've
>recorded it
>reported it
&&
>actually made efforts to reduce it
right? Just because you don't have an iceberg floating in your backyard (yet) doesn't mean something isn't going on. You're just not paying attention.
>>712411129
>The mass of its atmosphere is 93 times that of Earth's
>>712404507
Aurochs != Cows
You're retarded, plain and simple
>>712411465
>California
Except it's being punished by God for all their liberal heathens.
>>712411619
>punished by God
>dust bowl
stop.
>>712411129
You understand that the earth has been around for 4.5 billion years old. Focusing on !~0.01% of the geologic history of the planet and attempting to draw some kind of conclusion based on it is pure idiocy. I'm going to make a conclusion about a year based on an hour of data. It's scientifically irresponsible.
>>712411465
>712411465
Um, what? Humanity has never been shown to have had a direct effect on Earth's overall average temperature, and here you are saying we've cooled it down at some point in the last few decades. I say "few decades" because global cooling was all the rage before global warming came into fashion.
>>712408493
www.skepticalscience.com/ice-age-predictions-in-1970s-intermediate.htm
>>712411465
Also, a drop in water level is not evidence of global warming.
>>712411802
Yes. Despite the earth being around for that long, mankind's impact on it since the Industrial Revolution is why this is a problem now. That "0.01%" of geologic history is significant when you compare all that's been done BY man during just a fraction of that time.
>>712411819
See above. Now look at the graph. Tell me again how humans don't have a direct effect on the Earth's avg temperature.
>humans trying this hard to avoid taking responsibility for their own actions
>>712411762
> The drought came in three waves, 1934, 1936, and 1939–40
Every single time the democrats were in power.
>>712412032
especially when that water level is controlled by a dam.
>>712411465
>>712411762
Oroville and Folsom water levels have more to do with trying to turn desert/arid california in to green farm land than it does global warming.
>>712412032
>drop
It's been rising, you know.
>>712412052
>purely due to partisan politics
Yet you just voted in a 'republican' who thinks it will be a great idea to revert to coal-burning and continue relying on oil for energy.
>>712400637
The climate has always changed, so of course it's real.
>>712412047
But you ultimately ignore any long term fluctuations that may supercede the effects of humans.
Going back to my hour out of the year. The seasons changing are not going to be shown in that hour of data. Nor is the hours of daylight fluctuating.
Similarly, focusing on that small swath of time completely dismisses and ignores any long term effects in favor of some narcissistic idea that we as a species matter or make a difference.
>>712412170
God hates democrats and it's been proven time and time again.
>>712412268
You can literally already feel the effects, with it being significantly warmer in the winter months today than it was just 50 years ago.
I know humans like to underestimate their impact on the planet (for whatever reason, maybe guilt-escapism), but if you're going to claim being the 'dominant species,' then you need to act like it. Really, I don't see what's so bad about wanting a cleaner, livable planet.
>>712412456
>significantly warmer in the winter months today than it was just 50 years ago
NYC 50 years ago today, 62 degrees
today, 44 degrees
Where is your god now, godless faggots?
>>712411897
That doesn't actually debunk anything I said. It simply downplays the extent of scientific belief in a coming ice age. Numerous publications apart from just Time and Newsweek covered it.
Besides, we had had heavy industrialization with far fewer emissions controls for more than a century before the warming cash cow came into play. Why would temperatures wait so long to start rising if indeed CO2 is the culprit and we were flooding the atmosphere with it for a century already?
>>712404909
dipshit
global is nature , ice age every now and again , natural but not on an excellerated stage , global warming doesnt exsist beyond a natural event , the term is taken incorrectly
climate change however kills animals and plants off so fucks with the food chain so yeah , rather a big fuckin problem that
cut the shit by a third quickly and easily , kill all americans
>>712412456
Right but again, you ignore any effects of long-term fluctuation mechanisms like those due to magnetic pole fluctuations which typically occur on the millions of years timescales.
I don't understand whether you don't see that only focusing on a small window of time may ignore the effects of long term cycles and trends or whether you're willfully ignorant of it.
This could warming could be the effect of a cycle millions of years long, but if you're only looking at a few hundred thousand years, you'll miss it completely.
Sample size. Sample size. Sample size.
>>712400637
>Convince me climate change is real.
It doesn't depend on whether you, as an individual, believe it or not. It's not like a reigon or a political system. Your buy-in or otherwise is irrelevant.
You will, however, live in interesting times.
In 1800 the world population was hovering around 1 billion. Prior to 1950 it was already in 2 billion. 67 years later and we have over 7 billion human beings feasting on earth's carcass, and demanding more resources than ever.
I don't know what's OP level of education on biology is, but the fact is that nature as we know it is supported by a very delicate balance in which each and every life has it's fundamental, structural, importance. In other words: if a polinating insect that is only available in a particular forest is by any chance extinct, odds are most plants that rely on it to reproduce will go extinct as well; and vice-versa, if the plants that produce a certain insect's food disappear, odds are evey animal that feeds on said insect will also vanish from the face of earth.
Not to mention that over the course of the last century, we diminished the diversity of our planet in about 40%. We are responsible for the sixth mass extinction that life on earth has seen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropocene
We are crossing a point of no return in regards of how much we had, and still do destroy nature. Soon enough the ecosystem is going to demand it's toll from us.
>>712412268
TL;DR: Global warming is fake because it's been hot/cold before.
Ignoring the "hour" under which the earth has also been conquered by an invasive species is also foolish. How can you possibly think humans haven't had an impact on the Earth after explosively reproducing in the blink of an eye (relative to the age of the universe)
>>712404053
Don't forget solar activity, radio isotope measurements that reconstruct earth's climate thousands of years back... Also polar ice caps dynamic on mars (hydrogen dry ice not water ice) also exhibiting the same "anthropological" melting right now... Weird stuff
>>712400637
Even if climate change does exist, as long as humans stay alive, it won't matter.
>>712411802
What exactly is your argument?
That we cant say that the earth is heating up?
That we cant say that it is "our" fault?
That we cant say that it is going to fuck our eco-system in the ass?
Because all you ACTUALLY said was that we dont know exactly what happened the past 4 billion years, which is in itself no argument that attacks any of the previously stated positions.
There is no reason to beliefe that 0.01% would be enough to make accurate predictions.
I think that, if you knew all variables, a SINGLE pair of time frames would be all you would require to completely map out the entire rest of history, including all future events and all future changes in everything.
You just have to understand the system well enough.
And our little rock isnt that complex to understand in the big scale.
>>712404890
This
>>712412268
>> human activity has no impact on nature
One metric that would be usefull to the discussion is how deep in meter is your head up your ass.
>Go ask a starving Polar Bear or Chinese shipping lines planning to ship goods to Europe via where the North Polar Ice Cap used to be... they'll give you a better answer than any jackassfag here, bwa.
>>712411819
>because global cooling was all the rage before global warming came into fashion.
That's an urban myth. There were like 2 magazine stories about this when most scientists were warning about global warming.
This is the world we live in now....
>Climate change isn't real!
>Evolution isn't real!
>Human genetics isn't real!
IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH
>>712413158
TRUE.
>>712412871
Nice strawman, might make a nice scarecrow.
When you're talking about global science, of a globe that's existed for 4.5 billion years, crying about 50 years with a 500,000 total sample size is far from a concern. At best, it's an anomaly.
I'm not saying the humans haven't affected the Earth in any way. I am saying the burden is on you to prove, definitively, that they have. Your sample size is currently not sufficient to do so.
>>712413236
What matters is the current/recent climate. The ones humans need to live in.
>>712412456
But anon, even the worst case scenarios say that global warming is 2-3 degrees in 50-100 years.
Are you telling me that 2 degrees is the difference between a winter with snow storms and one with a mild climate?
You people who claim that you can "feel" the difference are by far the most clueless ones in this discussion.
>>712413148
according to PETA polar bears in the wild are larger than polar bears in captivity
that makes them roughly the size of Texas
polar bears also actively hunt humans
if global warming causes the extinction of these human eating leviathans then I'm all for it
>>712413225
>Climate change isn't real!
Republicans say this
>Evolution isn't real!
Democrats say this
>Human genetics isn't real!
Liberals say this
Keep the goyim divided and ignorant and the jew gets to stay in charge.
>>712412838
so you suggest status quo for the next billion year until we have data to satisfy your moronic view point?
>>712413445
>science is a liberal/jewish conspiracy theory!!! HHURRR DURRRR
>>712413158
2?
Open this and check out this long list of articles and videos from the 70s hyping global cooling.
Urban myth my ass.
http://www.populartechnology.net/2013/02/the-1970s-global-cooling-alarmism.html
>>712413088
>And our little rock isnt that complex to understand in the big scale.
Please then, explain to everyone, to start, the effects of variations in sunspots, the effects of the increase in space debris as reflectors/refractors, the effects of the magnetic pole shifts and corresponding shifts in currents through the Earth's core, the effects of deforestation, the effects of absorptive solar energy, and how they all interact (both with temperature and each other) with adequate scientific evidence. I'll wait.
And while you're right, you'd only need a single pair of time frames if you knew all the variables, we don't. In fact, we regularly discover/create new variables all the time (case and point, space debris). You can attempt to oversimplify all you'd like, but that ultimately leads to reduced quality models that fail.
>>712413126
>One metric that would be usefull to the discussion is how deep in meter is your head up your ass.
0m. But what would be more important to the discussion is how much of the Kool-Aid you have indulged in, in kL, or ML if more appropriate.
>>712413348
Not if you want to understand long term fluctuations that impact the current/recent climate.
>The only history that matters is the history that supports my point.
>Being this dense.
>>712404890
>Agreeing with jill stein about "muh scary nuclear!!!1!!"
>calling others Jewish
Nice try merchant
>>712413503
I suggest opening up the data sets, and opening up the data examined to more than 500K years.
Sorry having an adequate scientific understanding of data is "moronic".
Lrn2Science, then KYS.
>>712413858
But we already know the factors that influence past and current climates... and we can easily measure and predict the current climate.
The wildly different climates of 1 billion yaers ago have nothing to do with what is affecting us today.
Go back to your containment board.
>>712402461
Except that's not true tho
Temperature of the earth has remained within natural variability for the past 10000 years or so, yes, even during the industrial revolution.
CO2 more of it more heat, much more CO2 global warming
>>712400637
Here's what I think.
No one cares what I think unless it supports their side of a topic they've become an expert on by watching youtube videos.
My opinion, follow the money. Research grants for corporations and universities paid because mass hysteria.
Al Gore made $200m from creating a crisis all while living in a 10k sq. ft. mansion with a $2,500/mo electric and natural gas bill, then sold his cable TV station to Saudi oil barrens. At the same time when Dubya lived in a 4k sq. ft. geothermal efficient house.
Always follow the money.
>>712414036
Again, spend 5 minutes googling magnetic pole shifts, and see that they VERY easily can explain some of the effects of the recent climate shifts.
>Research is hard. I already know enough!
roll
re
>>712410943
>>712408854
>>712406015
What do these posts have in common?
>>712400637
Hell, of course globull worming is real.
It's the 3-4 mile thick ice sheets that covered half the world back when the earth was plunged into global winter by a humongous asteroid impact that are a lie.
>>712405458
you go to outback for good steak? lol
>>712414377
Pole shifts have nothing to do with climate you mouth breather.
>>712414291
Those pictures do not show any scale of the industrial revolution. They are intentionally picked to show billions or millions of years and ignore that the most drastic climate change has been in the past 100 years. Also, showing sea level rise instead of global average temperature is not going to change the fact that global average temperature is rising.
You can go around screaming that the sky is pink, but reality is observable and verifiable.
>>712405458
> outback
> steak
pick one.
>>712414291
A couple of your graphs stopped at 1990.
Not that it makes them less valid. Not an environmental scientist or anything so I'm not in the position to invalidate anyones argument.
>>712413236
>a globe that's existed for 4.5 billion years
Free of conscious intervention in every way, until the last 200,000 years or so.
>Your sample size is currently not sufficient to do so.
By the time it is deemed large enough, if it ever is, the goalposts will have moved and/or it will be too late.
You're operating on the false assumption that we need to know everything to know anything.
>>712400637
why is it anyone's job but you to keep you informed? sounds lazy as fuck anon. look around and listen, don't just think of how you're going to counter whatever someone says to you
>>712414557
Nah, but I also want a bloomin onion. Those things are addictive.
>>712414661
>Being this ignorant.
They do, but you keep on drinking your Kool-Aid. Hopefully someone will spike it with some rat poison.
>>712415311
>I'm an idiot /b/ shitposter and I don't understand any science.. so I'm going to wish death upon you
Stay retarded my friend
>>712414377
https://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/2012-poleReversal.html
"The last time that Earth's poles flipped in a major reversal was about 780,000 years ago, in what scientists call the Brunhes-Matuyama reversal. The fossil record shows no drastic changes in plant or animal life. Deep ocean sediment cores from this period also indicate no changes in glacial activity, based on the amount of oxygen isotopes in the cores. This is also proof that a polarity reversal would not affect the rotation axis of Earth, as the planet's rotation axis tilt has a significant effect on climate and glaciation and any change would be evident in the glacial record."
Pole reversal does nothing retard. Research is hard, it seems.
>>712414912
>You're operating on the false assumption that we need to know everything to know anything.
I'm operating on the assumption that we're making assertions on an incomplete data set without a complete understanding of all the mechanics affecting an incredibly complex and dynamic system.
>>712415372
Enjoy the Kool-Aid. Hope it's grape flavored, nigger.
>>712402731
>glow with frequency based on their temperature
*glow with frequency´s based on their temperature
>>712414661
You missed the point mate.
The graph shows that the industrial revolution didn't have any impact.
>>712415709
The graph hides the impact by using huge scales for an effect for a very small time period.
>>712415860
got a source to that?
>>712415973
https://www.ipcc.ch/
That should have everything you need.. not that you'll read any of it.
>>712415860
Mate, do you not understand how graphs work? See all those little squiggly lines for the past 10000 years? That's the natural variability of the earths temperature. If the industrial revolution had any impact it would have shot up in the 19th century.
>>712416155
MATE DUDE DOG do you not understand how scaling works? When the scale is millions of years, an increase in the past 100 years isn't even going to show up as a single line.
However, you can clearly see at the end of the graph is shows the predictions for 2050 and 2100 due toe warming.
>being this retarded
>>712416360
Yes, I see the predictions, but I'm more concerned with your claim of the industrial revolution.
Predictions are predictions, but the data of that graph explicitly shows there was no deviation from standard temperature variation.
Are you too stupid to understand basic climate science? Do you think all change is enacted by humans?
>>712415421
>I'm operating on the assumption that we're making assertions on an incomplete data set without a complete understanding of all the mechanics affecting an incredibly complex and dynamic system.incredibly complex and dynamic system
When has that not been done? We don't fully understand every aspect of the human body yet doctors can fairly accurately assume an illness based on its symptoms. If it's incomplete, at what point will it be complete?
Tell me what you need.
There isn't a book out there somewhere with all the answers you need. Unless they find such a book, you're going to have to rely on how it's worked so far: experts making informed guesses and slowly advancing our total knowledge through experimentation on a small scale and observation on a large scale.
>>712416360
>the hundred years of historical data you are referencing is too small to appear on the graph because of scale
>the hundred years of prediction I am referencing is clearly visible on the graph
pick one
>>712401945
Lol at 4chin being alt right. As if a shot can be anything more than a shot hoke
>>712402720
So you are a racist fuck since you dont want muslin people to have forrest, why they dont deserve it or what?.
>>712416360
>>712416976
>>712416543
>>712416985
>Thinking that your opinion matters
>>712400637
Op it's not sorry it's a fag lie
>>712400637
GODDAMN, ALL you have to do is remember how the atmosphere became oxygen rich in the first place. The answer is tiny organisms known as cyanobacteria, or blue-green algae. These microbes conduct photosynthesis: using sunshine, water and carbon dioxide to produce carbohydrates and, yes, oxygen.
SO saying there is no way a bunch of methane belching oxygen hogging fatasses (humans) can't can't the climate simply by shitting and eating is dumb.
>>712418441
The point is, it's not just humans breathing, shitting and eating that is the problem. It's everything else we do. Even if global warming isn't happening, humans are still a cause for most problems on earth
>>712405590
Well the last part is already happening, and it has nothing to do with climate change.
>>712405384
This is untrue. Cattle outnumber humans by a massive amount. 1.4 billion is a ridiculously low number. Maybe you meant only in the US or something.
The Ice age ended. Climate changes.
>>712404603
>>712404979
fuck off commies
>>712403168
>poles
>20 degrees hotter
And that just about sums it up for the alarmists fags cunts.
>>712404979
>instead of helping
Fuck off hippy.
When niggers and brown people breed at 10 times the speed of actual humans then I don't want to "help" those in "need".
How about those brown skins and niggers stop breeding?
>>712419050
I honestly don't even care if we are warming it, fuck the cold
>>712419504
No u, fag
>>712400637. There is change but we are not responsible read about the core flip of our earth happens on regular intervals next one is due within 1500 years. As the core slows our shield weakens allowing in more radiation. Yes we can add to the effect but we can't cause or stop it. It gets hotter as the core slows then when it flips direction the shield goes back to full and the next Ice age starts....
>>712412052
Basing a global phenomenon that has more to due with spikes in weather changes on U.S politics. How self centered is the US?
>>712419749
You could just say:
"I've never been to a trailer park"
We get it, fam.
>>712420459
>Ignoring statistics and instead inserting your own personal individualized experience
God damn, you're an idiot.
Yes some white people are garbage, but the percentage of trash whites is irrelevant when 95% of blacks are garbage.
>>712420009
This is probably one of the single most ignorant arguments that the deniers have ever come up with. This is right on a par with flat earth. May even be the same idiots who've come up with it.
Just as a point of reference...
http://earthobservatory.nasa.gov/IOTD/view.php?id=88607
If basic education, NASA and the worlds scientist cant convince you how the fuck can I?
>>712400637
Science from all over the world support it. Only conservative politicians in Big Oil's and Big Coal's pockets are going to convince you otherwise, you bubbled ignorant twat.
>>712420708
>Ignoring statistics and instead inserting your own personal individualized experience
God damn, you're an idiot.
Yes some black people are garbage, but the percentage of trash blacks is irrelevant when 95% of whites are garbage.
TL;DR: How retarded you sound.
>>712400637
>Convince me climate change is real.
I bet you're in high school, and the paper is due Monday.
>>712401945
Burden of proof lies on the claimant. You don't disprove a negative.
>>712400637
>Convince me climate change is real.
Go to Russia, cold.
Go to Africa, warm.
Climate changed.
Checkmate.
Fucking idiots buying into the bullshit from the left or the right. Not actually taking 5 minutes to learn what is actually happening.
Yes burning fossil fuels puts green house gasses in the air. Yes enough of it will raise the net temperature of earth. The claim that by burning all the fossil fuels available will melt the earth's ice caps and kill billions of people is a fucking bold claim with zero evidence to back it up. The bigger concern should be what do we switch to when fossil fuels start to run dry.
>>712421845
no one is saying billions of people will die. The animals will die and millions of people but there will be 500 million refugees which will fuck shit up. Just look at what a few million refugees do
>>712422021
War and eat the dead.
Climate change let's call it what it is. WEATHER.
Second according to what "climate change scientists " said a really pushed a few years ago. New York city should be flooding. Didn't happen.
Polar bears was going to die from drowning. According to the people that actually count the bears they are thriving.
The poles should have been melted. NASA says it has billion tons more ice.
US has how many failed solar panel companies. If the government cared They would have issued solar panels for all homes.
How many countries are really trying to help. The middle east gets its money from fossil fuels. Everyone seems to be using nuclear power plants. And digging for the raw materials.
Government complain about rising CO2 levels. But interferes with farmers and gardeners (some cities have laws against gardens and the amount of plants they can grow.) Which would eat up the extra CO2.
How many other countries are actually trying to do anything.
Israel was a desert like rest of the middle east. But found a way to turn it around. Tells how to grow plants in the desert. But no one cares.
But explain to me how scientists that has taken large amount of grant money from Democrats state one way. And the normal scientists say another way. Telling us to believe them. But not to believe in science on genders.
>>712419844
>being this retarded
>>712420009
kill me now
>>712422339
If this isn't the biggest heap of shite ive read then I dont know what is
>>712422339
> The poles should have been melted. NASA says it has billion tons more ice.
Shelf ice vs sea ice.
Also ice increasing in one place whilst shrinking everywhere else isnt really a good argument
>some cities have laws against gardens and the amount of plants they can grow.
That literally would not make a difference
>>712404062
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I like how no one replies to this post.
