If the US was a real democracy, Hillary would have been the elected president.
She is leading by 1,300,000 votes right now, and her margin keeps growing since most of the votes that aren't counted yet are from blue states
But it's not a real democracy, so this is a pointless argument.
>>712099095
>If the US was a real democracy
It is not a democracy. Someone give me a thread so we can go back to looking at traps...
>>712099095
But the US is a republic. So go kill yourself.
>>712099095
So in a real democracy votes from illegals count?
I pledge allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the
>Republic
for which it stands, one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.
>>712099441
Dead people only vote for democrats.
>>712099354
>>712099378
>>712099426
And it's terrible that your country is not truly democratic in nature.
>>712099095
A lot of states weren't fully counted, don't forget about hand-ins, and people who supported who didn't vote because they knew he would win.
Also take away 3-5m votes from Hillary that were from dead people and illegals. So technically she lost.
FOOD CROPS VOTE TOO BITCH DEAL WITH IT, All this land is used to feed your puty cities.
there are more registered democrats than republicans in the US but the republicans control both houses of congress
cry about it
The Electoral College was an uneasy compromise made by men who were some of the best orators and politicians of the day. What makes you think that today's congress and divided electorate could possibly fix it?
There have been 700 attempts total to reform the Electoral College. And because liberals continue to cluster in big cities as they lose the votes of the working class, you're only going to see this trend continue.
>>712099095
Fucking idiot. If the popular vote was used, nobody would give two fucks about the tiny states and concentrate their campaigns in highly populated areas. States like RI, NH,VT would be fucking meaningless compared to CA, NY and other larger states.
> OP stupid faggot
>>712099507
A claim made by the republican party that is based on absolutely nothing.
Nice anon, let me make claims that are based on absolutely nothing too:
There are unicorns on the moon
I can fly, but only when no-one else is looking
Aliens have visited the earth in prehistoric times
>>712099579
Yeah, it's a damn shame America is going to be great again. We should have totally elected a criminal instead.
That's why we don't have democracy. We have a constitutional republic. Learn to history. Ask the Romans how democracy worked out of them.
>>712099579
true democracies do not work on a population like the US. It only works with a majority of people who share the same opinion where minorities get no say.
>>712099095
Yeah to bad...im glad we are a FUCKING REPULIC
>>712099657
>Dead people and illegals
I will repeat myself. it's claim made by the republican party that is based on absolutely nothing.
let me make claims that are based on absolutely nothing too:
There are unicorns on the moon
I can fly, but only when no-one else is looking
Aliens have visited the earth in prehistoric times
>>712099095
USA is a zoo, no matter its a democracy or monarchy or a communist republic, your society is a zoo where even white people beahve as niggers
>>712099579
The US is the most diverse first world country through that system.
>>712099095
>hurr durr election system doesnt go the way I desired, better riot and kill people to accomplish absolutely nothing
If he needed to win the popular vote, he would of campaigned harder in California, New York, ect.
>>712099579
>And it's terrible that your country is not truly democratic in nature.
No it isn't. I live in Oregon, if we lived in a democracy, California would be able to vote, based on its gigantic population, to pipe water from OR down to their mess of a state. And then our gorgeous rivers would no longer flow freely into the ocean. Rule of the mob is a shit-tier way to run a country the size of the US. It was a shit-tier idea when we had 13 states, and it's a shit-tier idea now.
>>712099880
>it's a claim
>i'm trying this hard to defend shillary
thanks ctr.
>>712099768
What made America great in the first place?
>>712099918
Hillary Clinton is leading over trump in the popular vote by 1,300,000 votes right now. that's 1,300,000 votes that do not even count.
Think about that for a second. over a million people with a vote that does not even matter. but to be real, it could have been 10 million people with a vote that doesn't matter with a system like this
>>712100000
This!
>>712100040
Slavery. Women's opinions being unimportant.
>>712100040
no illegals
>>712100000
those quints made me cum
>>712100003
I rightfully pointed out that you made a claim that is based on absolutely nothing. it has nothing to do with hillary, it's just a correct observation.
I'm sorry, but im not into free-form interpretation of reality
Democracy=51% can take away the rights of 49â„…
Constitution republic =99% can't touch the rights of 1%
Eat a dick you democrat cuck
>>712099657
There have only been 35 cases where voter fraud has been found, out of over a billion votes.
It might happen on TV but it doesn't happen in the way you suggest.
If Hillary was going to cheat she would have won, grow a brain and get some facts.
>>712100003
>acting like CTR, as if it ever existed like you think it did, still exists over a week after election day
are you gonna be saying "CTR" for the whole 4 years now when people disagree with you?
All the ppl who live in the red actually believe it's ok to round up us gays to be put into electrocution therapy centers.
Feelsbadman.png
>>712100201
So you are in favor of the elected president getting only 1% of the vote?
Don't you see how retarded your argument is?
>>712100195
>still trying to make false claims
>being a shill
another 5 cents has been deposited into your account.
>>712099095
Shut the fuck up you maggots! Fuck back to 2001 and watch as Hillary made two military jets full of fuel hit a pair of buildings rigged with tons of thermite and explosive charges!!!
>>712099354
/thread
>>712100289
yes
The Constitution - saving us from having California "finding" enough ballots until Hillary wins.
>>712099095
Apparently this whole thread is full of ninth graders who haven't been given a basic civics class. Jesus fucking christ
>>712099768
Wow, you believed the "liberal media"?
Try a fact on for size, then go check it and see you're a dumbass who will believe anything an entitled spoilt brat of a billionaire who would rape your sister/mom/aunt if they were "hot" enough.
>>712099880
>I will repeat myself. it's claim made by the republican party that is based on absolutely nothing.
>dead people in Chicago voted, giving IL to Kennedy by 9000 votes.
>Cook county didn't report any of its precincts until all the other counties had their counts reported...
>border counties in Texas had more voter turnout than registered voters, by up o 50%
>Kennedy won Texas by 1%
>all this voter fraud... if Nixon got those two states, he would have won.
It is based on reality, and voter fraud has changed the results of elections in the highest office of the US. Go eat a dick and shut the fuck up, shill.
>>712100289
I'm as red as it gets and not only do I not give a shit about what you queerbags do behind closed doors, I'm actually a special snowflake myself.
>>712100337
You are legitimately incapable of having a reasonable conversation with another human being, it seems.
let me tell you a little secret. CTR was a pretty small super-pac and the people who actually got paid to post things for Hillary were very few and they did not bother coming to 4chan
But i guess you are too far in your imaginary version of reality to see that
>>712100328
>Being this retarded
What it means ,you retarded faggot, is that even if 99% of the population is against you they can never takes your rights away
In a democracy all it takes is 51% to take away everything you have
Learn to hisroty ffs
>>712099095
it's not. it's a democratic republic.
>>712099095
>If the US was a real democracy, Hillary would have been the elected president.
If my aunt had a dick, she'd be my uncle.
>>712099095
nigga, you don't understand how our elections work do you?
>>712100561
>It is based on reality
No it isn't you butthurt moron.
Proof Anon, where is it?
Cite source!
Protip; you can't.
>>712100561
You also neglected to mention that democratic states also have highly populated countries just itching to support their candidates.
California and New York and particular are two states that have a high population and sway.
Imagine if the electoral collage was removed. All those tiny states would be worthless compared to highly dense or populated areas.
>>712100699
Wrong. Constitutional republic. Your hearts in the right place though.
>>712099095
But the US is a republic.
/thread
>>712100664
I'm actually the intelligent one here.
Your argument makes absolutely zero sense.
There is majority and minority in both systems, it's just that in the electoral college system the majority is not determined by the amount of people who voted for the said candidate, which is retarded.
According to your logic, in both systems the majority takes away the rights of the minority. but the real world does not operate in that way.
learn.
>>712099843
True democracy is USELESS in groups of more than 30. TRUE democracy would let 51% decide that the other 49% should be rounded-up and shot.
>>712099579
lol, i can only guess what shit country you're from.
>>712099095
its a republic not a democracy go to canada hillacunt
>>712100550
none of which involved more than a fucking mega ton of illegally sold nukes, or assassination of actual Clinton whistle blowers or massive transfers of dirty money, or trying to harbor nasty fucking Islam fucks here...or fuck you.
>>712099457
One nation
>Under God
Indivisible with liberty and justice for all
if it was a real democracy we'd vote on every issue that comes to hand
you got time for that nigger?
>>712100855
federal republic
>>712100841
It's all public record. There's a thing called Google, where you type in things you want to know, and lists of websites pop up. Try it.
>>712100289
Mike "AC/DC for the LGBT" Pence
>>712101118
go back to history class
>>712100289
That shit does not work anymore. You played the card too often. We are immune
>>712101118
OUR CHRISTIAN GOD!
>>712100289
We don't want to round you up and shoot you. We just want you to shut-up about all the retarded shit you talk about. If electrotherapy is what you need to battle your inner demons, then maybe you should get it.
>>712099095
Fuck Hillary; VIVA TRUMP!
Go to /pol/ cunt
Democratic Republic > Democracy
Gets rid of the whole tyranny of a mob thing....
>>712101052
makes you think why the US destroys countries to enforce democracy
>>712101198
You what mate?
shut up faggot
>>712100708
If your aunt had a dick, it would just be your uncle with tits.
>>712099095
it's not a democracy.
it's a republic.
hang yourself for ignorance you stupid fucking nigger.
>>712100997
The 51% decided to riot instead.
>>712099095
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH3onRaoAQE
Verpiss dich Jude
>>712100561
1. in Kennedy vs Nixon, there was no proof voter fraud actually altered the results of the election. there were very few convictions of voter fraud in that time. furthermore, some of the voter fraud was actually done by nixon voters
2. >X happened in Y, therefore X happened in Z!!!
Examples from the 60's do not apply to today. i don't know if you noticed, but alot of things changed in the past 56 years, including the way people are voting.
>>712101230
Hi Putin.
>>712101267
You mean "rule of the majority"
You faggots where all fine with this system on Nov 7th when you thought hillary was going to get 350 electoral votes.
>>712100072
But only the whiny little butthurt bitches are complaining about votes that don't matter. And they don't matter.
This is how it works and this is how it has always worked.
The time for complaining was long before your favored candidate lost. Whining now just makes you look like the spoiled brat shitstain child that cries after losing a game with other kids.
Trump will be the POTUS and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it, regardless of how much crying you can do.
We don't live in a democracy and never have. Get over it already.
>>712100843
STATES RIGHTS MATTER. The government is NOT about the citizens, it is an agent for the collective 50 states. This is why EVERY state gets a vote.
>>712101441
the 25.25% the other 50 ish % did not vote dem or rep.. cunt.
>>712100898
No you are most definitely retarded
>>712099843
aka Sweden
>>712101600
>This is how it works and this is how it has always worked.
Thar argument was also used when america was still enslaving africans. but slavery was never good. sometimes things that "always have been that way" should change
She won 57 counties out of the U.S. out of 3k
>>712101637
10/10 best new argument you sure convinced me
>>712101026
haaahaa, probably Croatia or Serbia or some shit
>>712101720
Who says it was never good?
>>712101623
Democracy in action! More than half the people don't give a shit!
>>712099095
>>712101593
I have watched over 10 hours of videos where liberals are just crying and screaming about losing. It has added 10 years to my life and made me a happier person.
>>712099095
The US is a democratic republic , the electoral college is designed to protect the minority from the majority
>>712099457
Forgot under god fag
>>712100289
Ur retarded and gay
>>712101774
Did you know that in the current electoral college system, a vote from Alaska worth TWO TIMES a vote from california?
Now please tell me, why people from alaska worth two times more than people from california under the current system?
I think one person should have the power of one vote. this is a very simple position to understand, it shouldn't be too hard for you to support it
Over 3 million illegal votes... more than 2/3rds of them were cast for Hillary, so point is moot.
Thank God we aren't a true democracy.
There would be no abortion, no gay marriage, no EPA, and many other less than majority causes.
Learn to Civics, dumbass. You aren't smarter than the Founders.
>>712099738
That's true, and mainly why the state system was integrated in the first place.
>>712100289
>>712102043
>3 million illegal votes
>implying
let me make claims that are based on absolutely nothing too:
There are unicorns on the moon
I can fly, but only when no-one else is looking
Aliens have visited the earth in prehistoric times
>>712101917
It's also designed to allow the electors to say fuck you America, and elect whomever they like.
If you switch to a popular vote them you change how people run for office. Both candidates had platforms design to sway 270 electoral votes. And they worked in the states they thought they could win to get them. If you switch to a popular vote. Then trump would work California so that he would lose it by less. And Clinton would have worked Texas to lose that state by less. The entire campaign for both sides would have been run differently. And since trump won under the current system, it stands to reason he would have run under a popular vote system.
>>712100000
Oooooooh nigger I wanna steal yo water so bad right now. We commin' for it my man.
>>712100000
Checked
>>712099095
Here ya go
>>712102043
>over 3 million illegal votes
>>712102149
no you idiot. if it was majority rules then everyone would just campaign in the cities and ignore the needs of middle america.
>>712099095
How many of those votes were from the 16 million illegal aliens in the US?
>>712101481
>in Kennedy vs Nixon, there was no proof voter fraud actually altered the results of the election
Wrong. Over 100k dead people voted in Chicago. Proven fact. And Nixon Go look it up. "Kennedy won Illinois by less than 9,000 votes out of 4.75 million cast, or a margin of 0.2%. However, Nixon carried 92 of the state's 101 counties, and Kennedy's victory in Illinois came from the city of Chicago, where Mayor Richard J. Daley held back much of Chicago's vote until the late morning hours of November 9." Daley held out on the election results until all other IL districts reported, then used registered dead people to vote for Kennedy, to just barely squeak out an election.
>here were very few convictions of voter fraud in that time.
It's hard to convict dead people...
>furthermore, some of the voter fraud was actually done by nixon voters
Not in Chicago. And not to the immense degree that Kennedy did.
>X happened in Y, therefore X happened in Z!!!
It doesn't happen in the same way, but it happens to a focused degree. There are videos of Clinton cronies bragging about how they set up car services to cart around illegal voters to multiple polling places. You're being willfully ignorant.
>Examples from the 60's do not apply to today.
You said these claims were based on nothing. They are based on voter fraud being real, and based on voter fraud changing the results of elections. You are wrong.
>i don't know if you noticed, but alot of things changed in the past 56 years
>X happened in Y, therefore X happened in Z!!!
Your own example of logical fallacies applies to your statement... idiot. Just because some things have changed, does not mean that all things have changes. And I do thing voter fraud has certainly changed; it's more efficient now. They used to brute-force election fraud, now they hide it better and focus it where it'll make the most difference.
>including the way people are voting.
And also how fraud is applied to the voting system.
>>712102076
I'm a democrat but this so much. We really need to stop acting like the opposition has no valid concerns what so ever or that they're evil stupid bastards. This goes to both sides.
>>712101157
Except it's not there. The guy who claimed the '3 million fraud votes from illegals' has yet to come forth with his evidence and sources.
Four days after the election Info wars was shouting about this. Do you honestly think they'd know they had 3 million cases of voter fraud that soon? Even if they COULD find that out how would they in less than 4 days determine those votes were cast by illegals? Use your brain. How could you sort through 3 million votes and determine they were cast by illegal immigrants? Did they have 10,000 people checking security feeds and comparing them to photos of known illegals? It's absurd.
>>712102130
lol you think the same illegals that are on notice to get deported are not going to illegally vote? There's also 4 million dead people on the voter rolls bro.
Like dude, the DNC ops are ON CAMERA admitting to massive fraud. Which is why the Electoral College is a brilliant system. A few fraud ridden states cannot determine the election.
A few populous states cannot determine the election just because they had high turnout.
We're a REPUBLIC OF INDEPENDENT STATES with elements of democracy, not a pure democracy. Didn't they teach you this shit in schools?
" . . . democracies have ever been spectacles of turbulence and contention; have ever been found incompatible with personal security, or the rights of property; and have in general been as short in their lives as they have been violent in their deaths." -- James Madison, Dead Old White Guy
>>712101720
Well it's too late to change this election. The time for crying is over. If you want change so badly you need to focus your efforts on going through all the right channels to make that change happen, and it's not going to happen overnight.
Stop crying about the bitch Hillary's loss of the election, and instead look ahead and make happen what needs to happen and be prepared to be in it for the long run.
Riots and protests just give all democrats a worse name and ammo for your opposition.
>>712102297
I will fucking shoot you.
>>712099095
You do realize that many republicans in WA/OR/CA/NY don't vote because their vote is meaningless right? There is such a huge majority of dems in those states that it literally is throwing their vote away, so they stay home..
If it was popular vote, they would have vote, and Trump would have won that instead.
>>712102043
m00t
>>712100000
quints of wow
>>712099759
>>712102130
You need something better to do with your time.
And you suffer from the delusion that your writing is clever.
>>712102688
>Except it's not there. The guy who claimed the '3 million fraud votes from illegals' has yet to come forth with his evidence and sources.
Look up proof on the 1960 election. It exists in abundance. We won't see proof of fraud in the current election until all the votes are counted.
>>712099095
>She is leading by 1,300,000 votes
and 3-4 million of those votes are being investigated for having been cast by non-citizens
How many illegals voted for her?
>>712102763
I will come all the way from Illinois to help you shoot him.
>>712099095
who the fuck cares?
>>712102763
Shhhhhh it's ok. We'll take care of your sweet, sweet, H2O.
>>712102509
Who gives a shit about majority rules? The President is chosen by 538 voters, not 120+ million.
>>712100289
Reimagined as 2 separate countries:
>>712100289
We'd rather you gays just stop raping children.
>>712099095
>let's undo the entire history of elections because this one didn't go my self entitled liberal faggot way
Your nigger Obama doubled the debt in 8 years. Since being elected, and before even entering office, Trump has put the dollar at a 14 year high and dropped DEFCON to its lowest setting.
>can't stump the trump
>>712102556
1. I see ZERO reliable sources which say over 100k dead people voted in chicago. ZERO. So please, stop making things up. there was some voter fraud back then, but it was minimal and not anywhere near enough to influence the results of the election
2. My example of a logical fallacy applies perfectly here.
Just because something happened in the 60's, doesn't mean it happens today.
The reason you have to go all the way back to Nixon vs Kennedy to give me an example of a big voter fraud is already very revealing.
>>712099095
She lost the popular vote too, once all the votes were in....
>Fuck off, libtard, grow up and accept your defeat.
>>712103135
I prefer hillarys america
>>712099095
Never was a democracy. It's a democratic republic.
>>712100289
>being this awash in liberal rhetoric
>mfw
>>712099095
too bad we're a constitutional republic, bitch.
If the U.S. was a democracy Hillary would never have been a candidate. You have a psychosis level lack of insight. fgt.
>>712103135
mmm is it a coincidence that they're almost all seaside areas?
bring on the floods, BRING ON THE FLOODS
GLOBO WABU GLOBO WABU
MELT THOSE CAPS MELT THOSE CAPS
>>712102399
>>712102399
well thats odd...
source on crime stats?
>>712100289
actually I think they should be culled
>>712101859
>not understanding what democracy means
>>712102677
I voted democrat in the last 2 elections. I like Obama. I'm mostly centrist, but slightly left leaning, and I approve of many progressive policies.
But the progressive platform pushed far too hard this year. I changed my registration to independent and voted Trump, because I was just so tired of all this "White men are evil and all of the great historical figures that happened to be white men were trash" garbage that colleges are pushing now. I didn't like it when I was in college and I HATE it now that I've finished college.
>>712102813
I'm in Washington.
In the past there have been times where I was guilty of not even bothering to vote for the reason you said.
I voted for Trump this year because I hate Hillary and the idea of HER being president that I actually voted. Not because she's a woman, but because she's a genuinely bad person. Now, I don't love Trump either, but he is the lesser of two evils by far.
I am not alone. Trump won because there are so many of us who simply can't stand Hillary bad enough and are sick of liberal bullshit to motivate us to attempt to make change.
And it worked.
>>712103221
so does all the criminals
>>712102688
Everyone knows Kennedy stole the election from Nixon. I have no idea why you want me to look that up. I'm sorry I thought this was a conversation about THIS election.
>>712103221
Enjoy being outnumbered by minorities that hate white people.
>>712100000
OOOOOregon quints
>>712103185
>I see ZERO reliable sources
>won't accept a source as credible unless it's independently verified by fifty progressive resources, if the source disagrees with his point of view
>will accept tabloid headlines as proof if his point of view is supported
Even Slate says it happened. You're either willfully ignorant or too retarded to be on the internet.
>My example of a logical fallacy applies perfectly here.
>accuses others of logical fallacy
>doesn't have enough of a grasp on logic to see that he does the same thing he's accusing
So I'm going to assume it's the "retarded" option then.
>The reason you have to go all the way back to Nixon vs Kennedy to give me an example of a big voter fraud is already very revealing.
It's the most glaring and well proven case of voter fraud in the US. It is a prime example. And, admittedly, the same organizations that did it then are still doing it now.
>>712099095
Good thing America isn't a democracy then, innit
We liberals need to shut the fuck up about the electoral college. Makes us look like whiners, but even worse, it validates the entire privileged and elitist ideology that the Trump campaign was designed to contest. So every one of these threads just vindicates Trump's election. Disrespect the minimal amount of state autonomy that the Federalist Papers decided to retain, and disrespect the rural counties, and you can't honestly call yourself a liberal anyway.
>>712103221
Without white workforce those islands would be like Haiti in a generation
>>712103622
The founding fucking fathers specifically decided not to make the US a "T R U E" Democracy,
Even if 51% of the population votes one person, they all live in the same area and don't know what is best for other parts, so they came up with the electoral college to fix this very fucking issue.
Say if everyone in California is a left-wing retard (which they are) then it wouldn't mean that a left-wing candidate would win by a landslide before the rest of the country got a say.
>>712102076
>HURR DURR FUCKING SJW
The reason Hillary loses is because she's a Clinton and people decided to go full Populism with Trump because "FUCK THE SYSTEM YOLO!"
>>712103660
hi jeff
>>712099095
constitutional republic is what the USA is
>>712101198
come on guy, at least learn the pledge of allegiance
>>712101481
> No proof of voter fraud
> Precincts reporting voter turnout rates of 150%
Fuck off and die.
>>712104196
>The reason Hillary loses is because she's a Clinton
Maybe everything she has said and done?
> Laundry list of Crooked Clinton's lies
http://liberallyconservative.com/hillary-clintons-laundry-list-of-lies/
Crooked Clinton constantly flip-flopping
http://archive.is/UkLdX - Outrageous amount of flip flopping
>"Hillary Clinton on LGBT"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_b1TxEUiuA
>Clinton talking in Alabama with a fake southern accent"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YaDQ1vIuvZI
>"Hillary lying for 13 minutes straight"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
>"Hillary playing the woman card"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlDqptoRR28
>Hillary killing coal
https://youtu.be/ksIXqxpQNt0
>inb4 "youtube is not a credible source"
Fuck off, it's way more credible than the Clinton News Network where 90% of you faggots get your facts.
How to defend Clinton 101: Step 1: Decline claim with no justification. Step 2: Mention Donald Trump issues despite its irrelevance, or no knowledge of the interlocutor's political standpoint.
The reasons
>She is directly responsible for the deaths of over a million in Iraq
>deleted 33,000 emails which put national security at risk
>is linked to over 30 deaths including a "suicide" with a gunshot to the BACK of the head.
>She voted for the patriot act twice
>She opposed gay marriage before she was for it.
>She accepted $25,000,000 from Saudi Arabia, (where being gay is punishable by death)
>She was a lawyer who vehemently defended a rapist and laughed at the plight of the 12 year old rape victim
>She has sold literally $20,000,000 of uranium to the Russians.
>She supported the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and turkey
>She was "adamantly against illegal immigration" before she was for it.
>She was fired from the Watergate investigation for lying and being unethical
If you are genuinely support lying cunt then there is something seriously wrong with you.
>>712103908
1. I googled "Slate kennedy vs nixon voter fraud".
IT DID NOT say 100k dead people from chicago have voted for kennedy. it just said the race was close, and that kennedy had a lead of 113k votes. get a better reading comprehension, even the very article you mention does not support your claims
2. Again, your claim that 100k dead people is not only NOT proven, it's literally based on nothing. i can tell you i worth 10 billion dollars and it will have the same amount of evidence as your claim
3. Your claim that "it happened in the 60's, therefore it happened today" is a mere fallacy. just stop
>>712100616
Can't have a reasonable conversation with unreasonable people.
>>712100289
I love how Jackson County in Illinois is blue but all I see is a bunch of methhead rednecks fucking their cousins.
>>712101612
This is the only post in the thread that matters.
>>712100616
>>712104673
>>712104654
You sure impressed me with your debating skills, anon
>>712101947
"One nation, under god fag, indivisible..."
>>712099095
The electoral college influences how people vote, you moron. Without it's influence no one would know the outcome of a popular vote.
>>712102018
Because people from California are worthless cunts?
>>712099095
Shut up. You'd be telling us to stop whining if the situation was reversed and republicans. I agree with your statement, tho. She won the popular vote and thats the way it really should be.
Stop bitching about Trump's win and start reading on wikileaks about Hillary's crimes against the people and support for only the super rich. That bitch followed a tradition of leaving a trail of death in both her personal life and in her foreign policy decisions. She is the reason why there is a refugee crisis and why we are going to have to spend billions to fight a massive terrorist Army.
But that was the point. All wars are banker's wars and when you are buddies with Goldman Saches and CitiGroup, your policy decisions tend to line their pockets quite well, and did.
I'm not saying Trump is the answer but maybe not having a diplomatic, pussy-powered, race-bating, dickless leader for a change will actually some change in Washington; fixing the root of our issues today.
>>712100289
I feel like some Scandinavian 14 year old is writing this
>>712104811
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/02/19-dead-people-registered/
http://www.progressivestoday.com/clinton-campaign-lawyer-charged-with-registering-dead-people-to-vote/
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-09-30/meet-young-virginia-democrat-registered-19-dead-people-vote-virginia
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/2-women-miami-arrested-voter-fraud-hillary-real/
Because you're so unbelievingly oblivious that having a conversation with people like you is excruciating.
>>712099880
Why are you shilling so hard when even your left-leaning media admits what happened?
http://www.snopes.com/2016/10/02/19-dead-people-registered/
>says it's a "republican conspiracy" based on absolutely nothing
THIS is exactly why people don't take democrats and liberals seriously.
This thread is now a democracy, Vote to kill the OP
Yes, and thank God it's not...
>>712105299
> +1 Vote
Can we send God Emperor Trump after him?
Hey OP.
The US is a Constitutional Republic.
Theirs only two living Democracys left.
Burma, and Somalia.
The electoral college was a way for the slave owing states to leverage there slave population to increase the numbers of electors
>>712105299
+1 Vote
>>712105198
1.You change the subject from Kennedy vs Nixon to this election - i hope it means you admit you were wrong.
2.19 dead people registered with the intent of committing a voter fraud, and it was discovered and therefore their voters did not count. 2 women got arresed for attempting voter fraud - meaning their vote did not count.
This means that the systems which are in place to prevent voter fraud are working, you moron.
And btw, trump supporters tried to commit voter fraud too:
http://fortune.com/2016/10/29/trump-supporter-voter-fraud/
If the electoral college wasn't in place, do you know how many people in solid blue states would vote Trump because they didn't think their vote didn't matter? You're not taking into account all of the variables
>>712105481
>Theirs
There are
>Democracys
Democracies
>>712105486
no it wasn't.
also, the electoral college isn't the problem, the problem is that congress capped the level of representatives the US is able to have. We're supposed to have one for every 100,000 people, or something like that.
>>712105681
So your argument now changes from "it's a republican conspiracy and It doesn't happen at all" to "It happens but they got caught so it didn't count."
Do you also think a tree doesn't make a sound in the woods if no one's around to hear it fall you fucking faglord?
I know you dipshits are notorious for changing the goalposts when you get proven wrong but try to make it less fucking obvious next time.
>>712099579
Landowners and taxpayers should have more of a say than welfare leeches and other forms of parasites.
>>712105486
Yes anon, ALL things are Slavery! Paper Clips, blades of grass, elephants, 747s, flashlights, SSDs and guitar tuners...they are ALL slavery and dey am all RAYCISS!!!!!!
>>712105938
My argument never changed.
Attempted voter fraud is not the same as actual voter fraud. there are systems in place to prevent attempted voter frauds, and as your post have shown, they seem to work.
Can you comprehend what i have just written or was it too much
>>712099095
Discount the illegals votes and no. No she did not win the popular vote.
>>712105681
> Some voter fraud was caught, therefore all voter fraud was caught.
>>712106115
So you think the popular polls are lying? Or what?
>>712105993
interesting you say that.
the largest group on welfare = whites in red states (trump's base)
per your logic, blue states (earners, producers, home-owners) should decide elections. and I agree.
>>712103624
Half of the US population lives in these counties... and at least 80% of the GDP is generated in these counties.
>>712105938
I second this. Despite voter fraud actually being proven, the wagons are still circled, even when the fire in the middle is burning them too.
>>712106289
it's also way more costly to live in those counties. fly-over states are actually wealthier in that respect.
>>712106138
Again. there are systems in place to prevent voter fraud, that's why people were caught.
You cannot say there was voter fraud that did not get caught based on nothing. and even then, you cannot say it was anywhere near significant enough to influence the elections
>>712106115
She certainly did win the popular vote, anon. Trump still won, so it's okay for you to concede a nugget of truth.
>>712106115
let me make claims that are based on absolutely nothing too:
There are unicorns on the moon
I can fly, but only when no-one else is looking
Aliens have visited the earth in prehistoric times
>>712106289
This. x100000 this.
>>712099095
Nigga 15 states don't even require an ID to vote and she won thirteen of them. Deduct the illegals that voted and be amazed.
>>712099441
this
>>712102399
A) The top map is an map representing half the population, not anything to do with this election.
B) The bottom map only uses data from large cities.
C) Bigger cities have more crime. Who knew?
Slaves did not wote but where counted at 5/3 to increase the numbers of electors for slave owning states = more power to slave owners, that was the truth of the beginning of the USA.
>>712100000
quints tell the truth.
>>712099095
You need to look at why the electoral was in place to begin with. It is to give all states representation. Otherwise only a couple states would rule the US and that would erupt into a civil war. I'm game for a civil war personally.
Just a friendly reminder of how hypocritical the Right is
>>712099095
>changing the rules after the fact
Trump would and Hillary would have strategized for the popular vote if that's what mattered.
>butthurt democrats want the rules changed when it doesn't work for them.
>>712103624
pretty much all the liberal fail niggers live in those areas
sack up and stop whining commie faggots, you lost deal with it like adults not children having a temper tantrum
>>712106507
You can't just enter the US and vote as an illegal immigrant. you have to register first in order to vote, and in the registry they check if you are a real US citizen
>>712106507
Don't forget the feminists. If you took their illogical bigotry out of the picture, you're left with a huge victory margin from Trump.
>>712099759
http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/10/27/2-investigators-chicago-voters-cast-ballots-from-beyond-the-grave/
Eat a whole bag of dicks, it happens, and it's fucking wrong.
>>712106419
Uh huh. When I went and voted, all I did was give them my damn name and I was given a ballot. No ID checked to make sure I was who I said I was. Nothing. Remember that Clinton is the kind of person who would find any way to get the vote. After all she did admire and study under Saul Alinsky. If you trust the system that much, I pity you.
>>712103624
People who live in vast desolated areas do not deserve to have their votes count more than people who live in cities.
I'm sorry, but fuck you, i don't care where you live, your vote should count just as much as mine
>>712099095
Even if you entirely disagree with the Electoral College you still can not make an argument for the popular vote in this election to count. This election from the beginning was an electoral election; BOTH candidates knew that only the electoral vote is counted. So, both planned, fund raised, and campaigned almost exclusively in the swing states to win the electoral vote. If this was a popular election, both would have drastically altered their campaign strategies to account for the popular vote. Trump would have campaigned in red areas of blue states and vice versa. The results from that election would be different than this election. Whether Hillary or Trump would have won under the different circumstances is difficult at best to project. Using the popular vote to elect a president, AFTER the election was already held would be the most undemocratic thing you could do "lets only use the results that agree with us". I didn't even vote for him but you guys are grasping at straws.
>>712106784
i will repeat myself.
You can't just enter the US and vote as an illegal immigrant. you have to register first in order to vote, and in the registry they check if you are a real US citizen
>>712106419
not suggesting that there is enough to turn an election, rather i'm pointing out that it's a fallacy to assume that the measures caught all of the illegal activity because they at least caught some.
Left =/= Liberal
Most of the actual Left despise liberals
>>712099579
>Democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep deciding what to have for dinner.
It is nothing more than a politically correct term for tyranny of the majority.
>>712100289
>typical libtard who can't make an agrument so they scream "racist, sexist, and bigot" to detract from any real dialogue.
>>712100072
except they did count, they counted for selecting the electors the state of California would use to vote for President
>>712103967
in a week, more like....
>>712100550
i never knew there were brainwashed libtards on /b/
huh, the more you know
>>712099095
They don't count absentee votes towards popular vote, so your reasoning is invalid. Sorry...
>>712106865
repeating it doesnt make it true everywhere fucktard nigger
lrn2comprehend simple concepts then come back
Check em. If dubs trump will win
>>712106941
But anon, that's the whole point of having elections in the first place.
The majority should be the ones who decide the direction the country should go, not the minority
>>712106100
You're as bad as these idiots trying to double-down on obamacare when it's proven already to be a failure.
You'll keep your head stuck up your ass because you CHOOSE to be willfully stupid.
Dozens upon dozens of proven cases of voter fraud that were caught, how many do you think didn't get caught? It's like you don't even realize how stupid you sound.
Voter fraud laws- "These work perfectly 100% of the time and no one has ever gotten past these rules against voting when/where you aren't supposed to."
Transgender bathroom laws- "These signs and laws won't stop a rapist if they really want to rape someone in a bathroom so there's no reason to be a bigot or homophobe!"
Again, your double-speak and hypocrisy is fucking astounding and it's the reason no one takes you idiots seriously. Keep your head in the sand and get left behind by people who actually know how to use critically thinking.
America is a republic, not a democracy. Cry more shills. Hillary BTFO.
>>712107059
https://www.fvap.gov/vao/vag/appendix/faq
>However, all ballots, including absentee ballots, are counted in the final totals for every election - and every vote (absentee or in-person) counts the same.
>>712106865
In my state, you can register the day of elections. The only person that checks ID's is older ladies, and I can just about guarantee that they can't tell the difference between a fake, and real ID. That's how two mof my GFs coworkers, that aren't US citizens, got to vote.
>>712101195
underrated post
>>712100289
all the people in the blue areas have zero fucking backbone and cry rivers when anyone upsets their insulated hugbox of ignorance
>The Electoral College ensures that the whole country elects the president!
>It ensures that the smaller states are represented in government
I've been saying for years that the electoral college does neither. The only thing that accomplishes that at the moment is our political geography, we need to get rid of the executive branch altogether and adopt a strong legislator or eventually pic related will happen.
>>712107226
yes, but you are forgetting a tier in the equation.
You are missing the idea that it is the United STATES of America.
A leader should have broad appeal across the states, and the electoral college corrects for that, otherwise doucheholes like NYC, Chicago, and San Fransisco would determine the president everytime.
>>712107197
I did not repeat to make it more truthful, i repeated because it seemed like you might have missed the first time i said it.
My statement is not true because i repeated it, it's true because that's the way the system works. what the fuck do you think voter registry for?
>>712107314
>America is a republic, not a democracy.
Republicanism is a type of democracy, but if protected by a Bill of Rights, may be distinguished from other forms of democracy as a Bill of Rights asserts that each individual has unalienable rights that cannot be voted away by a majority of voters, unless the other type of democracies are also protected by a Bill of Rights
Using the same talking points over and over? even if they are incorrect... Not surprising
>>712107228
Don't forget tighter gun laws. Because it worked so well in Chicago! Hey wait... isn't that magical land also where absolutely no successful voter fraud happened? I mean people doing illegal things always get caught. Right?
I'm done wasting my time with all the delusional trump supporters in this thread. you guys just spam incorrect claims that are based on absolutely nothing, it's pointless. you are not reasonable people who i can have a decent conversation with
Here, i will leave you with a trump twitter board of shame.
![yoda1-e1446595804475[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/LmmMAOb.jpg "yoda1-e1446595804475[1].jpg")
>>712099579
>And it's terrible that your country is not truly democratic in nature.
"Democracy make not a nation great. Freedom makes a nation great. You Hitler and Stalin-loving cuck."
>>712099095
>ITT OP doesn't understand how elections works and think popular vote its an actual real way to vote in elections.
>ITT liberal tears and shitbots payed by Soros
>ITT sage
>a Republic country is not a Democracy, boo hoo
Also, a cat is not a dog. Awful isn't it?
One nation below Canada above Mexico with liberty & justice for the top 1%.
>>712099759
Nice bait, go back to tumblr cum guzzler.
>>712099095
>If the US was a real democracy, Hillary would have been the elected president.
Its a Republic
also, she still got less than 50% of the votes and even did worse amongst Latinos than Obama even though she got to run against fucking Trump
Democrats have no one to blame but themselves
>>712107516
You realize that the entire election rides on five or so "swing" states right?
Nobody even bothers campaigning in the other 40 States. And people in "solid" States don't even bother to vote, Cali's going to go blue every time despite having more registered republicans than any other State in the country.
I'm not advocating a national plurality vote, but the electoral college is a shit way to approach this problem.
>>712099095
A recount in PA and FL and she would win because obviously she won those states too.
>>712101720
not in this case
go bitch up a storm over something else liberal fucktards
you lost, better luck (and get a better fucking candidate BOTH parties) next time
>>712107473
Doesn't help that theoretically it is possible for ~20% of the vote to elect the president.
https://youtu.be/7wC42HgLA4k?t=4m17s
>>712099095
>ITT people who doesn't know what democracy and Republic means
Fuck you, you stupid, uneducated plebs deserve a stupid, uneducated pleb like Trump.
>>712107824
You are singing my song about California, that is where i live... i would prefer a parliamentary system where power isn't locked between 2 parties. But the power should still majoritarian at the State level, instead of federal level.
>>712106400
Wrong. It isn't the cost of living that is so much lower, just the standard of living. Lower standards do not make you wealthier in any way, except in your imagination.
I voted Clinton but am not stupid enough to look at the Popular Vote. The rules were clearly set out before everyone went to vote, openly available for anyone to read.
If you didn't understand what your vote meant then you have only yourself to blame. Go vote in the California Independance Referendum 2019 but this time, do your research before you start crying foul.
>>712107575
American federal government is controlled by representatives
It may not be the fairest way to do things, but its the way America has worked for a long time and both candidates were fully aware of how the electoral college worked beforehand with no complaints from Hillary
The real part we should be whining about is how we have such an anti-democratic process for determining who the two viable candidates will be. Something like 5% of people voted for these two assholes in the primaries but then they get all the votes because the media convinces people to never fucking vote third party
>>712108055
I agree. The biggest problem with all this is the Founding Fathers wanted a strong executive, which inherently fucks the very idea of a "Union of States" to concentrate so much power into one person.
Give all the Executive's power to Congress and the Courts. Problem solved.
>>712108061
Don't confuse the midwest with the south
The Midwest has the highest standard of living and reasonable cost of living. The south has shit standards of living and super low cost of living
>>712108190
Pretty sure the founding fathers intended most of the power to lie in the legislature
>>712107717
dont get them started about left vs right wing
theyll argue hitler was great but stalin sucked or vice versa
the ends they were trying to achieve were different but the means they used to get there sure looked alike...
>>712107824
Aren't these states (which have the highest populated cities like NY and LA) the ones where the economy is the worst? They happen to be the states with the most democratic control where their socialistic agenda has been employed the most.
>>712099095
3 Million votes have been proven to have been cast by illegals.. regardless you don't know how democracy works and your a ignorant libtard. Crawl back into your safe space on tumblr.
>>712108190
Judicial, Legislative, and Executive....
They already have "all the Executive's power", dipshit...
>>712107708
>2016
>still drinking the brainwashed kool aid about global warming
califailian detected
>>712108421
Hitler and Stalin were both awful leftists
The greatest ruse the left has ever pulled was convincing people Hitler was a rightist and that being racist made you on the right
>>712108061
http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2015/01/04/solved-why-poor-states-are-red-and-rich-states-are-blue/#3c6757881596
Blue states, like California, New York and Illinois, whose economies turn on finance, trade and knowledge, are generally richer than red states. But red states, like Texas, Georgia and Utah, have done a better job over all of offering a higher standard of living relative to housing costs. That basic economic fact not only helps explain why the nation’s electoral map got so much redder in the November midterm elections, but also why America’s prosperity is in jeopardy.
"Red state economies based on energy extraction, agriculture and suburban sprawl may have lower wages, higher poverty rates and lower levels of education on average than those of blue states — but their residents also benefit from much lower costs of living. For a middle-class person , the American dream of a big house with a backyard and a couple of cars is much more achievable in low-tax Arizona than in deep-blue Massachusetts. As Jed Kolko, chief economist of Trulia, recently noted, housing costs almost twice as much in deep-blue markets ($227 per square foot) than in red markets ($119)."
>>712108326
Interesting how the highest cost of living is all in the big cities with liberal policies in place.
>>712099095
Okay remove those who are dead, voted 10 times, and are not legal.
Oh she lost by like 5 million? Okay thanks bai.
>>712108599
I'm Californian and catestrophic man-made climate change is horseshit
>>712108533
I believe that you're right, could you provide a link(s)? I need ammo for when I debate this stuff.
>>712108542
That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying there shouldn't be an executive branch of government in the first place. As in no President, a Legislator and a Court system.
>>712108533
>anonymous votes
>proven to be cast by illegals
https://www.amazon.com/Liberal-Mind-Psychological-Political-Madness/dp/0977956318/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1479439635&sr=8-1&keywords=the+liberal+mind
>>712108713
prove she lost by 5 million.
>>712108747
Anarchy/Communism doesn't work, fucktard....
So, when the Legislative and Judicial branches cannot come to a conclusion, where do they go?
>>712108748
I wonder how many ballots in Oregon were stolen? Considering theirs is by mail.
>>712108129
Nigga I don't even think 5 percent voted Hillary. Remember the mass media coverage of the Democratic party primaries?
>Bernie has won two more now so he's at 100 delegates, and he's catching up to Hillary's 120 delegates really fast, he totally has a chance at this Bob!
>But wait Tom! Turns out the party has some bullshit magical SUPER DELEGATES and Hillary is definitely going to get 500,000 of those we know this already and you heard it here first
>Well fuck, Bob, I guess all of our loyal viewers shouldn't vote for that old floppy cock of a man, we are only 10 percent of the way done but he's already lost so bad to Hillary, the CHOSEN ONE Clinton, that we might as well kill himself now.
>>712099095
Cool story, the only people who care are fascists like you who want surfer bums and valley sluts who live in Cali to decide the vote every four years. Isn't going to happen faggot.
>>712099095
Nobody gives a fuck, you stupid jackass.
Fuck Hillary Clinton.
The US hasn't been a democracy for a while. Wake up and realize you live under an Olugarcal roof.
>>712108870
Bernie was a fucking terrible populist just like Trump so I have little sympathy for him, but yeah, it is fucked up
>>712108853
How will they "not come to a conclusion?"
The legislator writes laws, the judiciary enforces and interprets them. It's literally how half the countries in the world operate, no strong executive required.
>>712108802
Prove she won with out the illegals, we know not 1 voted for trump, we know they are reg to vote and told to fucking vote in cali... so...
>>712108963
Olugarcal? nice try faggot.
>>712108129
True. But those representatives are elected by the people, which makes it a quite flawed "Democracy"
It is a massively shitty system, that really does not operator with the peoples best interest at its heart. Instead it only seems to function so the corporations benefit.
For all intents and purposes, it's a "Two-Party" Oligarchy. So many of the representatives have sat for decades (Longest sitting Congressman, Almost 52 years.)
My Representative in the State senate has been serving for 21 Years.
Honestly, even if we kept most of this corrupt system, the least that should be done is a "Ranked Choice" type system
>>712109015
Atleast Bernie opened some minds to Socialism. Even if he wasn't in practice
>>712108644
its not how much money you make its how far the money you make goes towards just basically living fucking life
thats why I left NY, too many faggot wannabe imperial politicians and shit tier high taxes (they think theyre clever calling new taxes "fees" instead)
>>712099738
But if you were going by popular vote then states wouldn't have "point values" like they do with the electoral system. Because you wouldn't have to win a state. You'd be winning voters.
Today we have mass media. You don't have to be physically present anymore to hear a candidate speak.
That being said trump is still the man
>>712104446
Not that guy but "under god" was added in later you fucking faggots. Fuck off back to niggerville.
Its a good thing its not a crappy democracy where a zerg of people can decide whats best for everyone who lives 500 miles away from them.
>>712108763
I automatically discount her for saying that Liberals are "Radical Leftists"
>>712108747
The Executive branch is there to make quick decisions.
You don't want to have to wait a week to convene congress if your country is under attack.
If you study US history there are plenty examples of where the POTUS had very little power in determining government policy, and was mostly directed by congressional powers at the time, and there are times just as now that the Executive branch wields too much power, and should really be kept in better check.
But by virtue of having a weak congress that not only puts out shitty self serving laws, its pretty ineffectual in passing laws becuase of dick waving.
who gives a shit about california, we should nuke the bastards and sort out politics for life.
>>712109043
oh, so you have no proof, just theory and your theory is that illegals voted en masse in certain areas of the country due to no ID laws, right?
i guess it's possible, but if you watch the project veritas video, it sounds like the dems talk about it being possible for voter fraud, but that it requires a lot more work than people think... to me, it sounded like they weren't really planning it.
>>712104465
>Hilary sucks!
Trump is still worse. Way, way worse. It's hilarious that you don't see that. Already in his first week as president-elect he's done the COMPLETE OPPOSITE of what he's been saying his whole campaign. Prepare your anus for his tiny cock.
>>712109420
in fact nuke ny just to be sure
>>712109335
truth hurts lol
>>712109200
yeah, that's the point. the dollar goes further in fly-over states.
>>712109460
kys nigger he'll make america great again
>>712108869
I'm not saying that there wasn't a level of voter fraud happening (there is every election). I'm just saying you can't definitively say that there were 3 million ballots PROVEN to be done by illegals.
>>712109413
Yeah, because some asshole who most of the time has zero military experience is totally going to make our military react faster.
And it's not like you can't just designate a member of Congress (a "Prime Minister") to make those decisions when needed.
>>712109178
>Atleast Bernie opened some minds to Socialism
Why would this possibly be a good thing
Its fucking hilarious though that he calls himself a democratic socialist even though those two ideas are inherently opposed to each other
>>712107896
>Stupid
>Billions of dollars richer than you
Yeah ok bud
>uneducated
>one of the greatest businessmen alive and has several business degrees from Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania
>>712109530
How is it true?
The "Liberals" are against Direct action, and advocate for a mixed economy.
The Radical Left, takes Direct Action and advocate for a Socialistic or Communist system.
>>712109620
Those are not opposed at all.
Socialism, is at its core, Worker control of the means of production. That's it. Nothing their contradictory to Democracy. Same with Libertarian Socialism.
And Socialism, is more targeted towards the needs of the working class. Who always get fucked over by the System, and Capitalism.
>>712109178
>socialism
>good
pick only one
>>712110047
Refer to >>712110020
And justify why its not good next time?
>>712109620
nah, man... you just have to convince the poor that the rich are criminal scum who steal from them. convince them that it's your right to receive a job and high wages from the job-creators and ironically that greed is evil. then you get them to vote in favor of "wealth appropriation" and then sit back and let papa gov't do the rest.
> voting = democratic
> gov't stealing from wealth-creators = socialism
> democratic socialism.
>>712110020
>Socialism, is at its core, Worker control of the means of production. That's it. Nothing their contradictory to Democracy
free enterprise is at the very heart of democracy
>Same with Libertarian Socialism.
Lol, that is surely not a real thing. Socialism and Liberty cannot coexist
>>712100616
Proof that they didn't come to 4chan? I'd love to see it tbh
