If you went back in time to the 1200's, with nothing, not even clothes, what would you be able to offer people to better your position or the world?
Me I'd say I have a rudimentary understanding of physics and chemistry. I bet I could make a flying machine.
I bet you couldnt.
I'd be willing to bet money on that.
>>712052015
Developing an airfoil wouldn't be difficult, and then I could use canvas and glue for the hull and spruce for the frame. No engine but it could be cool at very least.
>>712051646
would that timetravel include the appropriate vaccinations ?
>>712052171
Just whatever you have now...why tho?
>>712052139
And how does that "better your position or the world"? A simple machine, when there is really no chance of improving upon that without much more advanced technology to help you.
How would showing off a basic contraption help you or them?
>>712051646
If I'm still in the Americas, I'd be fucked because it's the middle of November and all the tribes migrate so it's a total crapshoot if I wouldn't freeze to death in an hour.
If I'm back in Ireland I'd probably be stoned to death for public impropriety due to being naked.
>>712051646
Nigger gonna be burned at the stake for heresy and witchcraft
>>712052250
educating others to help jump start certain technological revolutions.
>>712052250
That's why I said "cool at very least". I'm pretty sure we could come up with other uses for a glider.
I'm also pretty sure I could develop fracking and collection of crude oil that can be used for other things
>>712051646
>rudimentary understanding of physics and chemistry
You'd get burned and tortured to death fag.
>>712052495
Not if I'm smart about it and go seeking the right kind of people. Or maybe come up with some kind of bomb in secret in the woods and then blow up a city and then claim to be some kind of deity
>>712052357
>>712052364
The problem with your ideas, is they either depend on technologies that don't yet exist, or the locals will simply have no understanding/care of what you're doing and might end up killing you.
If you wanted to make a difference, you would concentrate on improving living conditions at least. Be that proper drainage, water filtration, etc.
You guys are trying to jump before you've even learnt to walk.
>>712051646
this
>>712051646
Probably die of disease in about 4 days.
Develop the assembly line and mass produce things to be sold. These guys don't even have the word "economy" yet.
>>712052230
enjoy your smallpox.
>>712052348
witch-burnings were something that happened in the 17th century, not the 12th.
>>712051646
At first I guess you would have real problems understanding the language.
Second you will have real problems to collect enough money to build your machine.
I guess the best to build would be a hot air ballon. It's simple enough, cheap and still really impressive.
Enother project I could manage to build a telescope. Galileo became a rich man with these.
Also I have a good understanding of math and physiys so I could be the next Isaac Newton.
>>712051646
nothing, im sure i would be killed or imprisoned almost right away for having any idea that dealt with science, philosophy, or progress of any kind.
I don't know shit about the 1200s but I'd assume you'd run into problems the second you get there. First you wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone. They'd also probably be scared of you and will try and kill you. If that doesn't happen and you actually collaborate with them, most of the tools used to make modem machines aren't around so you'd have to make you're own set of tools by yourself. It's a nice idea but you wouldn't last more than a month.
>>712052989
>witch-burnings were something that happened in the 17th century
not exactly up on history that much are you anon. We've been killing people with idea's that were even slightly progressive for hundred of years now. It's only recently we started to be like "oh wait..." and even now there's enough of an anti-science movement going on to cause concern.
>>712052647
This anon gets it
>>712051646
I'd turn up and teach any bitch without gingivitis how to shave their bush's & breed an army of alphas raised on meat & grains i pillaged from weaker people, then carve my family name into the history books.
>>712052737
Aerofag here
The description of flight triggers me so hard
>>712051646
>Give them the ultimate technology
>>712052856
mass production and industry was well-established.
the only thing Henry ford introduced was the conveyor belt moving an object down a line.
not 1200's, but as an example, italian armourers in the 1450's in Milan were working in factory environments, with each section run by a master, with apprentices under them, one section doing arms, another legs, and so on. The scale of production was such that, after a defeat, the City of venice needed to re-equip. they ordered heavy cavalry armours from Brescia, and they delivered 600 harnesses of full plate within 2 weeks.
In the 1380's, one of the Burgundian dukes was dealing with the milanese arm industry, and made orders for stuff like 3,000 harnesses, 5,000 helms, 500 pairs of gauntlets, at a time. Every year, for 10 years - and the milanese industry was able to supply that.
most industry was the same.
mass production is nothing new.
>>712051646
just go to any college and impress them with my knowledge of socrates and plato
>>712053380
Siege on, young Trebber
I'd befriend King John and plunder England and France.
I have a BA in math. I can "invent" calculus, analysis, and abstract algebra.
>>712052994
>At first I guess you would have real problems understanding the language.
I saw a docc that said that the Saxons pretty much speak english and that it wouldn't be difficult to communicate.
>>712052989
smallpox would be relatively easy to cure providing you had access to milkmaids and manage to avoid being killed for some stupid religious reason and don't die of something else in the meantime, you'd also need to convince them you are not infact insane, perhaps by reading something.
I think some sort of healthcare position would be easy enough to land providing you don't piss anybody off, applying common sense wherever you can.
>>712051646
I hope you speak French because fuck all people spoke modern sounding English back then or even the rudimentary from they had. Everyone spoke French.
>>712052647
>>712052989
pretty much this
>>712051646
I know how to make gunpowder.
I know how to generate an electrical current.
I know how to make stainless steel.
I know hygiene measures.
I know how to weld.
I'll be fine. Call myself a sage or something, I'll extend people's lifespans just by living near them.
![2922ebe1ec72700fc60a06b0f63cc4bc[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/WobmImp.jpg "2922ebe1ec72700fc60a06b0f63cc4bc[1].jpg")
>>712053404
Romans had mass production down in 300AD. Pic related, massive pot oven with standardised types. Same with fe. stone caskets, they were mass produced and only roughly finished
>>712053380
Siege on, young Trebber
>>712053526
They would speak a completely different version of the English we're speaking today. You might be able to understand them, but I doubt they'd have an easy time understanding you. Sentence structure, wording, phrasing is all different.
>>712052250
Are you honestly this dense? A flying machine in the year 1200 would be far from "simple". I'm willing to bet you have no friends.
>>712051646
My different accent and physical makeup would make me different either leading them to be really interested in me to the point of treat me like a king or really angry at me to the point of outcasting me
Given the differences in law tech and other stuff however I would probably pass my genes on and do some cool nature things
>>712053706
Which is exactly why it wouldn't work. Read the thread next time and then come back with your cool assumptions.
>>712052989
13th century you goth
>>712053665
You would be burned as a witch. Or murdered because you're an outside with to much knowledge.
>>712053526
I don't know about English. I'm German and for me it's pretty hard to understand any words of my language at that time (Middle High German).
>>712053300
>not exactly up on history that much are you anon.
if only you knew...
however, you are wrong. The witch-burning period was not the 1200's. it was the 1600's, particularly following the publication of works like "malleus malefecarium". witchcraft, as such in the 12th century is in fact an entirely different social interaction, where *intent* was the primary rule of activity - there are, for instance, records of trials of such, in which the idea of witches flying are mocked by the prosecutors as being nonsense. Magic was an inherent part of the medieval life, there are, for instance, huge volumes of research evidence on the subject of complimentary magic in medicine, to heal someone of a sickness, certain steps would need to be taken - some are logical and make sense, boiling water, for instance. others, however, are entirely part of the realm of superstition - for instance, a healing poultice must be made at a certain time of the month. The entire subject of magic in medieval europe shifts dramatically following the protestant reformation in the first quarter of the 16th century.
There have been doctorates and PhDs on this subject published. It is you who is "not exactly up on history".
CS fag here, can't really do much
Although I can 'discover' all the results of CS/some of Math and take credit for those, assuming they survive the Dark Ages.
>>712053543
if you get smallpox before you find a milkmaid with cowpox and convince her to let you shove a needle in her boil to go ahead and vaccinate yourself, you're fucked
so no it's not relatively easy to 'cure'
Elminate any and all niggers. Also, all religious leaders.
Learn 'cut off my thumb' trick. Fuck unclean bitches. Give them Aids. Kill humanity. Enjoy yourself.
>>712053834
I thought witchburnings were a direct effect from the plague, not the protestants lol. The inquisition and the Kathars and protestants that's a whole other story
>>712051646
How do you make a flying machine without any form of propulsion bro?
>>712053774
this
or catch Plague and die
>>712054014
Glider, man guy. Just jump off a cliff.
>>712053834
I know everything there is to know about the 1200's bitch. I played Medieval 2 Total War on hard and won the long campaign. Suck it.
>>712054014
>make light wooden frame
>pull canvas over it
>get on
>jump off a cliff
I'll fucking discover oil man, shit's gonna be SO cash
How do you get money to buy materials for making a flying machine
>>712054100
>>712054057
Natural selection at its finest?
I would share with them magical stories about how an enlightened society is able to conjure images of cats doing stupid shit at will
>>712053758
>13th century you goth
Vicious lies. I've not worn black and listened to the Sisters of Mercy for, oh, hours.
(derp. yep, I should've said 13th. just a stupid typo.)
>>712053665
You know how to weld without a welding muhsheen?
>>712052139
You gotta have money for that, you need a Patron before you can do any of that.
You can't even speak the language, even if you go back in time in England you can't understand the English of the time.
>>712053900
>not knowing everyone is vaccinated because autism doesn't exist in 1200
kek
>>712053665
>I know how to make gunpowder.
Have fun searching for salitter
>I know how to generate an electrical current.
You don't have magnets for a generator. Also you have no machine to empower.
>I know how to make stainless steel.
Have fun searching for chrome
>I know hygiene measures.
No one will listen to you
>I know how to weld.
You can't build a welder
>>712053376
how would you fix it?
>>712053697
Hell I can't understand most of those fuckers in ye olde England from today let alone a thousand years ago lol
>>712051646
Dis nigga watched " Around the world in 80 days" now he thinks he could make a flying machine
![besnier_7wx5h[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UnaGc4x.jpg "besnier_7wx5h[1].jpg")
>>712054182
When in Rome, act as the Romans do
>>712054282
What is salitter?
>>712051646
>Write prologue to Marx's Capital
>Watch shit unfold
>>712054248
unless you're over the age of 40, you aren't vaccinated for smallpox
>>712054070
I have a post-gratuate M.Litt in history, with research specialism on particular aspects of medieval society. Not saying what particular aspects as you'd be able to ID me in about 3 seconds from it. Worryingly, I'm nowadays described as the authority on my field of research, and from my published work, the main typology of archaeological records of the subject is the Anon Typology.
(That said, Medieval II Total War is fun, and fuck you, I'm going to have to go reinstall it now....)
>>712051646
I would warn them about this great evil from the land of the jews that are about to arrive with a thing called "christianity" and "jeebus" & "one god"..
>>712054370
I never saw that movie, but jackie chan does kick ass.
>>712054503
dude, autism doesn't exist, everyone is vaccinated in 1200
>>712051646
You wouldn't be able to speak to anyone. English was wildly different in the thirteenth century.
I have a good understanding of biology, anatomy and physiology. Also the human body and a few other things but as far as tech goes I wouldn't be much of help.
Also nutrition and that kinda stuff.
It will probably help with immune system strengthening and disease prevention and the whole medical thing.
>>712052139
>No engine
then it isn't a flying machine, it's just a glider. Any idiot can make a glider. People have been strapping artificial bird-wings to themselves and jumping off high places for centuries. Do you honestly think no one in pre-modern times ever took a look at a bird and thought 'hey, that looks neat, lets try it'?
Yours might go a little further if you made a proper aerofoil, but without an engine it would be less than worthless for any practical application. The only thing you would likely achieve with it would be two broken legs.
>>712052286
>If I'm back in Ireland I'd probably be stoned to death for public impropriety due to being naked.
you have a very distorted view of how the middle ages were.
>>712054440
Mistranslation. I'm speaking about potassium nitrate (Salpeter in German)
>>712054666
satanic trips confirms it
>>712051646
All you'd do going back in time is get yourself killed by diseases you're not vaccinated against, or by not speaking the language and looking funny, or kill them by bringing back our modern day even more resistant diseases and whatnot.
>>712052171
You have all the antibodies of your ancestors. You would rarely, if ever, become sick.
Tardlord.
>>712054537
I saw somewhere that with the Kingdoms expansion pack installed you can download a mod to play with the LOTR type soldiers.
>>712053526
>I saw a docc that said that the Saxons pretty much speak english and that it wouldn't be difficult to communicate.
Oft him anhaga
are gebideð,
metudes miltse,
þeah þe he modcearig
geond lagulade
longe sceolde
hreran mid hondum
hrimcealde sæ
wadan wræclastas.
Wyrd bið ful aræd!
Swa cwæð eardstapa,
earfeþa gemyndig,
wraþra wælsleahta,
winemæga hryre:
Oft ic sceolde ana
uhtna gehwylce
mine ceare cwiþan.
Nis nu cwicra nan
þe ic him modsefan
minne durre
sweotule asecgan.
Ic to soþe wat
þæt biþ in eorle
indryhten þeaw,
þæt he his ferðlocan
fæste binde,
healde his hordcofan,
hycge swa he wille.
Ne mæg werig mod
wyrde wiðstondan,
ne se hreo hyge
helpe gefremman.
Forðon domgeorne
dreorigne oft
in hyra breostcofan
bindað fæste;
Sure about that?
>>712054287
It is a huge misconception that a velocity difference causes lift.
It is true that there IS a velocity difference between the upper and lower surfaces of an airfoil, but this is a consequence of lift rather than the mechanism by which it is produced.
Lift is entirely explained by Newton's third law: the air must be "rotated" or - more precisely accelerated - in the direction opposite to the lift force. This is the reason you can produce lift with an angled flat plate, or by having a curved surface.
The velocity difference results from the changes in pressure that occur due to lift (pressure and lift are essentially the same thing explained in different ways: pressure is just the force divided by the area on which the pressure acts).
If you imagine pressure as a measurement of how many air particles collide with the lifting surface, you can imagine they are "bunched up" on the lower surface due to the changed in momentum induced by the lifting surface (and hence reaction force on the surface itself).
More pressure = more collisions. If you imagine trying to push through a crowd it's more difficult if there are more people or if they move around. This is your velocity difference.
>>712051646
people back than were like 5'7 on average, I'd beat the shit out of everyone and become a knight or something.
I'd be a solid foot taller and 100lbs heavier than anybody. Might as well join the army.
Rape and kill.
No camera's and fingerprint / dna shit. So during the night I'm good.
>>712054282
>>712054680
it's called saltpeter in English
and you can find potassium nitrate crystals at the bottom of a manure pile. Of which there were many in the middle ages.
>>712054192
>anonymously lying
I would start enslaving people, they don't know any better yet. An army of slaves in a few days.
Calculus, movement of planets, sanitation, the steam engine
>>712051646
I would blow them all away with my superior Longbow design, I would sell them the plans and the information on how to produce the weapons en mass, using wooden pulley systems to automate the workforce. Then I would use my modern knowledge of strategic and tactical warfare by following the teachings of Hannibal, Ceasar, Alexander etc, to conquer the known world. If we came up against an enemy strong enough to defeat us, I would defect and sell them designs on a superior quick reload crossbow.
I would also tell them to go on a crusade so great that Islam is wiped entirely from history, saving countless future lives.
I would also draw them maps of the world, draw them diagrams of the stars and solar system and the galaxy.
I would design a bicycle for them. I would design a pedal powered car. I would design a firearm, I would implement electricity, I would create an economy based on Capitalism.
I would rule the world in less than 5 years, we could possibly be exploring space less than 100 years after my visit.
>>712051646
Nothing.
(Actually I know a lot about drugs)
>>712054555
Its a pretty good comedy actually
>>712051646
If I would appear in the 1200's somewhere alone (and naked) I would start with beating myself up, to make it look as if I was "robbed" or whatever you would call it back then.. so that I don't have to find a village/town all clean and good looking, and all naked..
I think it's better if it looks as if something bad happened to you, if you have to be naked..
Walking into a village all beaten up, I would seek for some kind of help, and hopefully be taken care of.. (and make up a story of what happened)
To be continued...
>>712054838
that's old English, not middle English.
granted, middle English isn't exactly easy for a modern speaker to understand, but you could probably follow the gist of it.
I would be a giant compared to the other people. Also if I stayed in the same geographical area I'm pretty sure I would be a God because I would be in the middle of the Cherokee nation and they hadn't been introduced to whitey yet. They would look at my massive cock and bow down to my superiority.
>>712053442
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
>fucking worthless
>>712054913
>people back than were like 5'7 on average
the important word there is "average" - modern average in the US was about 5'8 up till 20 years ago. Its gone up to closer to 5'10 in resent years.
For every average person of 5'7, there's one guy who's 5', and another who's 6'4.
(other useless fact: medieval men were probably a lot fitter than you, because they worked like hell in fields, and the food, while bland, was pretty nutritious. the period of stunted people was the 18th century, when people were living in newly-growing cities, and not getting proper nutrition because the food imported into the cities wasnt properly preserved. )
>>712051646
I could invent pasteurization, I think... ?
I might be able to invent a magnetic compass
I might be able to invent vaccines...
I would know about america
I would know about coffee and tea, if that helps?
I would know about germs
I would know how to tell latitude (you need a watch or clock)
I would know about vitamin C for scurvy...
That's all I got, off the top of my head.
Depends where you go to...
There might be some places where you can leverage an understanding of simple machines to improve efficiency.
An understanding of germs and sterilization would definitely benefit you personally and if you can find a patron or authority figure to listen it could be implemented on a large scale.
CPR, heimlich manuever, tourniquets, and other basic life saving skills could make you valuable, paired with germ understanding, you could be invaluable to an army. This goes with simple machines too, pretty sure I could build a trebuchet with some help.
You probably couldn't take over the world, unless you have a chemistry background. Bomb making would be the only way really. Or if you're a gunsmith and can manufactor gunpowder. Surgeons could be gods in that time as well...
>>712055372
lmao I'd be better than Thomas Aquinas but I doubt you even ever heard his name you uneducated peasant
>>712055444
Have you ever seen a dark age building( castle, farm etc)?
I have, people were tiny back then. I would be a god
>>712055282
>that's old English, not middle English.
yes, but that guy did say "Saxon" not Middle English.
Middle english is something like this:
Whilom ther was dwellynge at Oxenford
A riche gnof, that gestes heeld to bord,
And of his craft he was a carpenter.
With hym ther was dwellynge a poure scoler,
Hadde lerned art, but al his fantasye
Was turned for to lerne astrologye,
And koude a certeyn of conclusiouns,
To demen by interrogaciouns,
If that men asked hym in certain houres
Whan that men sholde have droghte or elles shoures,
Or if men asked hym what sholde bifalle
Of every thyng; I may nat rekene hem alle.
This clerk was cleped hende Nicholas.
Of deerne love he koude and of solas;
And therto he was sleigh and ful privee,
And lyk a mayden meke for to see.
A chambre hadde he in that hostelrye
Allone, withouten any compaignye,
Ful fetisly ydight with herbes swoote;
And he hymself as sweete as is the roote
Of lycorys, or any cetewale.
His Almageste, and bookes grete and smale,
His astrelabie, longynge for his art,
His augrym stones layen faire apart,
On shelves couched at his beddes heed;
His presse ycovered with a faldyng reed
And al above ther lay a gay sautrie,
On which he made a-nyghtes melodie
So swetely that all the chambre rong;
And Angelus ad virginem he song;
And after that he song the Kynges Noote.
Ful often blessed was his myrie throte.
And thus this sweete clerk his tyme spente
After his freendes fyndyng and his rente.
Much easier, but still a headache, particularly when spoken at speed.
I would be arrested for being an naked strange foreigner and rot in jail in my own feces. I would then get worms and die from dysentery.
I'm disappointed /b/
Surely the first port of call is to introduce memes to them, help them learn the basics, troll face, cute cats.
Then, bring in the pepe, once these memes spread throughout the medieval world, there will be millions and eventually billions of people over hundreds of years looking for the rarest of pepes.
Then when we get back to present day we will have 800 year old memes, think of it like a good wine, as it ages it only gets danker. And as such, we will create a highly evolved meme.
(Step 3: profit)
>>712055109
Yeah actually I'd become a drug dealer. Maybe do carpentry on the side. Spend my time getting high and fucking 16yos, cumming in their virgin pussies. I also know how to fight and manipulate people, I'll be way smarter then those uneducated fucks.
>>712051646
I would be able to provide copious and sloppy deep dickings. A commodity all womenfolk could have used back then.
Also, I suspect I'm an HPV carrier. So a disease that does fuck-all to men, but causes cervical cancer in women. Years of historical nagging - gone. The world would be so much better.
>>712054954
Not pure. At first you would have to extract it. And even if you would manage to make gun powder it would just be little more than an impressing party trick. Gun powder is only usefull if you also have guns. And to make guns isn't that easy as you might think. Even if you know how a gun works you have to find a blacksmith who is able to make one. I doubt that there's any blacksmith in the 13. century who could make a gun barrel which is smooth enough. Also it would be extremly expensive to build such a prototype.
It would be incredible expensice to biuld
>>712055560
lol I don't need to know who he is, I could google him in about 2 seconds. Here's a fun question for you what the fuck are you doing with your degree now? You worthless faggot, you don't have a marketable skill.
>>712056056
Right now I'm doing nothing but fuck college chicks, you got me there
MFW when I got masters in electrical engineering and I hunt so I know few things about mother rifles.
We'd have fucking colonies outside our solar system by 2016. After my rifle armed army conquers and subdues the world. Also there would be no niggers or sand niggers.
>>712056210
*modern rifles.
>>712051646
you wouldn't be able to speak the language, old English i almost unrecognisable to us
>>712056056
>I could google him in about 2 seconds
This isn't a good thing. You'll remember the tiniest bit of information and that's it. We're remembering less, or at least getting bad at remembering because we have instant access to knowledge. This doesn't help it to stick in our long term memories. So even if you did Google him, chances are you'd forget within a week anything even slightly interesting about him. Give it a month, you'll probably forget who he is.
>>712056210
You know how to work a forge and create gunpowder?
Although you could probably 'discover' electricity immediately.
>>712055625
>Have you ever seen a dark age building
Several thousand.
Doorways, and windows were tiny, for two reasons: 1: to keep heat in - if your only source of heating is a fireplace, you dont have a huge door that will let freezing air in.
2: defence. in castles, etc, you deliberately made doorways small, because to get through, that would mean you have to stoop. that makes any defender on the other side have an advantage, you can smack his head in when he's trying to get through.
big doorways and high ceilings only really appear in common households, or even in rich palaces, when heating became practical.
>>712054890
yea you are right, thats much better description.
>>712055799
>Surely the first port of call is to introduce memes to them
they already existed. here's one of the common ones from the 13th C - knights fighting giant snails
>>712051646
>become oracle
>predict events
>control wars
>>712056703
>Knows future
>Predicts future events
>Saying something causes the future to change
>Your knowledge of the future is now worthless
>Just another fake oracle
>>712056426
>several thousand.
than you probably saw a sleaping space aswell. They were as tine as the people back then. I'm sure everything you said had something to do with it aswell but they just had les food, les protein they simply were smaller, you can't deny this
>>712056703
So and how many important events and wars of the 13. century do you know?
>>712056382
even if you could create gunpowder, I very much doubt he'll have the skill to make a rifle. firstly, because there's an absence of high-quality steel. you get wrought.
then the technical process of rifling - that was invented pretty fast, the 16th C. problem is, black powder fouls badly, so it makes muzzle-looading ammunition difficult to load. Breech-loading is even harder - they were being made by the 1520's, but they take so much infrastructure to do they were limited to royalty.
knowing the ideas behind something is the easy part. the hard bit, is knowing how to make it, and what machinery, and technology is needed to be able to make it.
>>712056352
Lol ur a philosophy major? Makes sense cause you just spewed out an interesting argument but it's complete opinion and makes no actual sense. Like what you're saying is actually retarded. I hope it's because you're young.
>>712056382
I do know how make gun powder yes, forge might be tricky but they do have black smiths in the time I went back, I'm sure we can figure it out.
So I was in the pub, once, talking to a scientist friend of mine about general bullshit. And I dunno how, but he told me this philosophical theory called Buridan's Ass.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buridan%27s_ass
Long story short, the theory has been kicking around since the 14th century and it's about a donkey in a field will starve to death because it doesn't have a soul, and can't choose which bale of hey to walk to to eat.
I said that it was bullshit because the first time somebody tried it, they would see that the donkey would just pick either and walk to it.
My friend then pointed out that nobody would've tried it.
He said that the idea of theory and practice, trial and error, was a relatively new concept. Before that it was all God's will or if it made sense, then it's law.
It got me thinking about how even the stupidest of people now still hold to the idea of trying shit out first.
So I think that the thing that we all posses that would be most useful in the 1200s is our 21st century analytical mind.
>>712056961
>than you probably saw a sleaping space aswell. They were as tine as the people back then
no, they are small, because it is easier to keep them warm.
or do you beleive that every single skeleton dug up from thousands of graves across europe are all from giants? the average medieval doorway is 6 inches shorter than the average height of bodies. Trying to argue that the doors, or beds are small, is not proof of their height. the bodies of the people are. and they are demonstrably shown to be on average, about 5'7 to 5'8, with the same variation in height as we do today.
we are an inch or two taller than they were (unless you're dutch. they're freaks). they simply made things much more compact, because they didnt have modern heating, modern warm bedding, etc.
>>712051646
I know industrial and kitchen scale food science. Whatever city got me would become the world capitol of beer, wine, and cheese.
>>712057291
You spout drivel like it's going out of fashion.
http://academicearth.org/electives/internet-changing-your-brain/
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/features/google-effect-is-technology-making-us-stupid-10391564.html
There are also research papers published in journals and countless other online sources.
>>712056961
According to wikipedia the average height of a male european of the 13. century was about 166cm. So I guess you wouldn't be worshiped as a god just because you're 20cm larger than average.
>>712051646
Finding a local craftsman and explaining some simple ideas is good.
Remember, ~1200 is when wheelbarrows started appearing in Europe. That shit was an amazing invention. Horse drawn plows, spring suspension, movable type printing press, trunnions and elevation screws on cannon....
>>712052592
I think you'd just create more fear than reverence. Scared people in the middle ages tended to kill whatever it was they feared. good luck fam
>>712054800
Third Age TW
It's the shit
I'd make for an excellent angry scared mob target
>>712056857
true, although palces elsewhere around the world may not be influenced atleast in my lifetime
>>712056972
genghis i dunno
Obviously the biggest problem any one would have to deal with is the illiterate population, that might try to burn you alive as a heretic.
>>712057498
genuinly dutch and 6'5
and as the door frames etc. might not be prove of hight, they do say alot about it and even you have to admit that people were smaller in the 1200's
>>712057459
>So I think that the thing that we all posses that would be most useful in the 1200s is our 21st century analytical mind.
You might be right, but the thing I've always considered is that they aren't actually dumber. They posses all the same faculties that a modern man does. All they have that's different is a wealth of knowledge, but no different ability in problem solving etc
After all, they are still human, and there is absolutely nothing different (accounting for evolution which takes 10s of thousands of years, not 800 years)
>>712057565
i'm 200 cm tho.
and ofcourse not like a god but i'd be huge in comparison
>>712058019
intelligence has definitly gone up tho, if only it's because we are now stimulated to think about things instead of just going wtih it
I'd show them that religion isn't real. Would solve a lot of the problems. Obviously it would take time, but little by little I'd show them knowledge so people would learn to think for themselves and not be under a blanket of ignorance and be manipulated by the literate. I'd teach them to read and to write. Also I would try to establish a universal language so communication across tribes and cultures could be established.
>>712058365
how do you define intelligence?
>>712058416
ability to apply knowledge
>>712058019
That is true.
I guess there's also the fact that we know huge metal objects can float or fly. We may not know exactly how, but we know they can. That is more than someone from the 13th century does.
I think even the stupidest person could make a working hot air balloon given enough time and trial and error.
>>712058365
>stimulated to think about things instead of just going wtih it
so why are there still people believing liberal media?
>>712058416
in·tel·li·gence
inˈteləjəns/
noun
noun: intelligence
1.
the ability to acquire and apply knowledge and skills.
"an eminent man of great intelligence"
synonyms: intellectual capacity, mental capacity, intellect, mind, brain(s), IQ, brainpower, judgment, reasoning, understanding, comprehension; acumen, wit, sense, insight, perception, penetration, discernment, smartness, canniness, astuteness, intuition, acuity, cleverness, brilliance, ability;
informalbraininess
"a man of great intelligence"
that's the official definition, what it means to me is beyond irrelevant.
>>712051646
Some knowledge about major future events and how to reduce effects of various diseases.
And then I'd probably get lynched for witchcraft or something.
My dick
>>712058527
you should be asking yourself, how come the media in your country is so biased.
in the netherlands we still have left and rightwing media but they don't lie, which is more than you can say about the american media. Americans are dumb not (only) the liberals
id probably pull a Nostradamus, and predict the future.
>>712058413
>religion isn't real
BWA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HA!!!!!
One, you'd be dead inside a few hours
Two, the disputes over religion in the centuries after that led to 200 years of warfare
Three, even if you lived long you'd be up against some of the greatest minds of the age, all well-educated, that would shred you.
Ever see what happened to Hitchens he he tried to debate an actual theologian? Hitch looked like the fool he was.
You'd do worse.
>>712052139
Do you have any idea how to make the tools you'd need to make that stuff? How to gather the raw materials and turn them into the *initial* stages of that? Do you really think you can make adhesive strong enough for an airframe?!
Fucking ridiculous
>>712051646
I'd prophecy of the impending Africans. Urge whoever to completely destroy them instead of convert them. Wasn't there a crusade at the time? I'd help. I could build a rudimentary steam engine. I could show them rudimentary magnets and electricity. Prove gravity. I have a lot of practical knowledge. I'm a carpenter/electrician/mechanic. Study a lot of physics and the occult.
>>712058742
I'm German, though
>>712059038
>rudimentary steam engine
The fuck you can.
>>712059220
Doesn't change the fact americans are dumb, also
I didn't know germany still had biased news outlets? tell me more?
>>712058968
He could make plans for tools he'd need and give them to a blacksmith to make
>>712051646
>The 1200's
One of the most fertile periods of technological advancement in Europe and you think "I have rudimentary understandings of physics and chemistry" would matter?!
LOLOL!
The 1200's saw some *AMAZING* advancements in technology driven by a large class of professional craftsmen, the growing class of professional scholars within the Catholic Church, and the side effects of the massive public construction projects all across Europe also driven by the Church and local monarchs.
In a region swarming with engineers creating flying buttresses, vastly improved mills, mechanical clocks, eyeglasses, dry compasses, astrolabes, blast furnaces, etc. do you think you'd stand out in any way?
>>712059568
It's not hard. You can build a proof of concept out of wood. It won't power shit but ill show steam can do things. That's the whole idea.
>>712059704
I also thing Oxford and Cambridge were founded in the early 1200s.
It was the beginning of the separation of religion and science.
>>712059674
Why would a blacksmith just - make them and give them to him? Can he cut down the trees, mill them, shape them, etc?
>>712059760
What would you do with the steam engine?
>>712059760
you mongoloid, so what are you going to do when they believe you? threres no advanced metal working around to build a steam engine
>>712057927
>genuinly dutch and 6'5
mutant.
>alot about it and even you have to admit that people were smaller in the 1200's
yes - but only about 2 inches, 5cm, on average. There are hundreds, thousands of skeletons from the medieval era, and the data on them is widely published. things like thigh bone length allow you to accurately calculate how tall people were. and, as has been said, the average is about 5' 7 to 5'8.
the modern average height in the US, is 5'9, just getting on for 5'10 today.
Remember, average means you total all of them up, from the shortest, to the tallest, and then you get a value that is the average. So today, at 5'10, we've also got people a few inches shorter, and a few taller. and there's odd ones who are your height, and there's guys who are 4' 11. and the same applies today.
the difference is there, but its not nearly as much as you think it is. People werent a lot smaller than you or I, but they did go through doorways that are a lot smaller, and sleep in beds a lot smaller, because they didnt have the heating, or the modern duvets, or the likes, to be as warm. and particularly 13-15th C, you've got what was called the "little ice age", and temperatures were colder still - so you built low roofing, or small windows, to keep the heat in.
>>712059674
Who said anything about free tools? If he found a patron to fund his work he just requests money for tool fabrication
>>712059038
>I could show them rudimentary magnets and electricity
...
They HAD magnets (and had been using and studying them for over a century -they were used for parlour tricks in the 13th century!) and were writing treatises about static electricity for almost 1,000 by the time OP mentions.
>Prove gravity
FFS - people know shit falls down, genius.
>I could build a rudimentary steam engine.
The classical Greeks had rudimentary steam engines.
>>712059871
Replied to wrong post
See >>712060143
>>712059860
>It was the beginning of the separation of religion and science.
No, dolt, there was no need. The majority of research was done by priests, and done quite well, thank you.
FFS, Hubble's Constant was formulated by a priest - the same one who came up with the Big Bang Theory.
Introduce them to four-field crop rotation and the concept that boiled water means less death.
>>712057544
HAahahahahahah
>>712051646
I bet you could not
>>712059599
>have such an inferiority complex
>calls everyone in the world who disagrees with him a dumb American
>lives in a little country protected by us
>>712051646
Smoke a shit-ton of weed when people aren't looking and stare into buckets full of water when they are looking, write fantastical predictions of the future about a hero named Histler...
Build the greatest empire ever seen
And help American Indians develop electricity before europeans.
>>712060736
you speak Navajo you stupid nigger?
>>712060205
Shit im not a historian. I don't know. I skipped highschool and learned trades.
I would find a craftsman to build me a nice guitar, and invent rock and roll. Also blues and country.
>>712059704
Their math was pretty basic though. You could lecture/cruise your whole lifetime on it, if you could get them to listen in the first place. Imagine differential calculus 500yrs ahead of its time, or modern statistics 750 years before its time.
>>712059943
It's all about setting the stage early dumb nigger
>>712059904
Not my problem. But shit like chambered hot air balloons I could sketch up.
>>712060736
Is not that hard to learn a language, even less if you gonna spend the rest of your life hearing it.
>>712060143
>If he found a patron to fund his work
A naked man with no practical skills to compare with the craftsmen that already exist?
Listen, folks, I know you probably think
>Wow! 1200! They must have been ignorant savages!"
Not in China, the Middle East, or Europe, pal.
In the 1200's you could go get eyeglasses; paper was mass produced in mills, making communications easier. You could go to university and get a degree.
See the pic?
They were building that. With cranes and a staff of engineers and architects leading a large crew of certified professional craftsmen they built it to last centuries.
No, you wouldn't impress anyone
>>712051646
I'd explain to them concepts of mathematics and physics, how to smelt certain ores and increase crop yields.
Then they'd probably wonder why a strange naked man was speaking to them in a strange language, think I was simple, and make me the village idiot.
I would then become the worlds first modern clown and spend the rest of my life making farting noises before dying of bubonic plague.
I'm studying creative writing at masters level. So I guess I could have become an early Chaucer?
>>712060541
Crop rotation was already a thing and became widespread in that same period.
>>712060873
And well done for learning a trade - I heartily approve.
You could get a job then, unlike a programmer, and you'd live a solid life, too
>>712061159
Fuck that, give them Bram Stoker or Connan Doyle
>>712061005
>setting the stage early
dumb nigger, as likely said in this thread already some greek dude already invented a rudimentary steam, didn't really do much good did it
>>712059599
the German Media was left-winged as long as I remember. But the last few years it became much worse. The start was their biased reports about the Krim-crisis. Also their reports about the migrant crisis are extremely manipulated. I guess about 80% of the time they talk about how we have to include as many refugees as possible. Since months there arehuge protests in Germany about it.
>>712061170
3 field crop rotation aldeady existed, the problem with 4 is the lack of crop variety to use
>>712059599
>Doesn't change the fact americans are dumb,
>I didn't know germany still had biased news outlets?
lolled...
>>712061001
In the era of Fibonacci! The 13th C. dawned with his cutting-edge work.
>>712060643
nononono, nut because you disagree, because you coutry genuinly has a lower average IQ than most western countries.
explain what you mean by "complex" and than tell me why mine is inferior.
>>712060108
200cm isn't that big in the netherlands, alot of my friens are about the same lenght and the national average is the highest in the world(last I checked, this might have changed). and the mutant thing was kinda my original point dude.
ITT people severely underestimating the capabilities of the people in the 1200's.
They were not retards. And higher knowledge is built upon previous discovery, from a multitude of fields. Your expert knowledge on physics, for example, could be greatly held back by the lack of progress in chemistry and metallurgy.
>>712061406
>implying not following MULTIPLE news from a country which lanuage you don't even speak makes you dumb
mkay
>>712061291
I know. Activated charcoal filters for water. And hand washing for peasants.
>>712051646
How to make dank memes
>>712061758
I'm actualy curious about how you would make one of those filters?
>>712051646
Philosophy. Studied continental schools to masters level
>>712061104
Damn
>>712061333
quess dutch media is more biased than I thought cuz I never heard of these protests....
or do you mean the pegida shit?
>>712051646
>be OP
>transported back to the year 1201
>nude
>pale as fuck with farmer tanlines
>gets a boner just from the feeling of wind against his skin and people seeing his dick
>speaks a different language from anyone else
>babbles incoherently at the people he meets about modern understanding of science and technology
>tries to draw an explanation in the dirt, virgin boner still flying proudly
>burned at the stake for being a witch
Good luck with that, OP.
I'd be in the middle of Texas with some scattered native tribes. Maybe I'd warn them that white people are coming to turn their beautiful land into strip malls and trashy, smog-riddled metropolitan shitholes and teach them how to make firearms that can stop whitey in his tracks.
>>712051646
I'm a plumber,welder and carpenter and I also know first aid. I could give them some bitch ass plumbing and furniture,make stronger weapons and armour and heal basic wounds. I'd become so wealthy and influential in my town that I could buy the damn thing and become friendly with the local lords and ladies. However the languge barrier would be a problem, todays English isn't the same as 13th-15th century Middle English which was German in nature with a bit of norse. Vid VERY related is Middle English:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE0MtENfOMU
Plus the fact I'm vaccinated. They may consider me a demon as I don't get ill like they do.
>>712062374
Oh and I'll be a good full 1 foot taller than them so a 6'4 male with pale skin, a strange dialect, immunity from illness and a knowledge of metal,health and wood... Yeah I'd probably be outcast or something quite quickly if I landed in the wrong place.
>>712061918
You would not be able to compete with the average Thomistic scholastic.
>Catholic
>muscular
>knows how to ride a horse
CRUSADES
>>712061453
>laws of motion
>liquids, gas, fluids, vibrations
>chemical reactions
>anything with systems of ODEs
Yeah, Fibonacci is great, but not differential calculus level great.
>>712062680
>get rekt by the invading Muslims
No different to modern times.
i pour bottles of water into rivers to set them free.
>>712062218
>pegida shit
Why do you know it's shit?
Becaus media say it?
>>712062374
carpenter. can you still do it without power tools, screws etc?
If so you could become an engineer, making siege engines for the local lord. a better fate than just about 99% of the fags here
>>712062586
This, they'd burn you like a witch if you started blabbing about "aluminum foil"
>>712051646
I would be able to offer them my naked body!
Not sure how much better they would feel, but I already feel better just thinking about it!
I could offer a small naked dance!
>in b4 that is not in any way small.
>>712062849
And you could not wear your hat!
>>712061911
Extreme tempatures and steam. Then you wash the shit out of it. If I remember offhand it's like 1200C minimum. Idk if they had heat like that. But even plain charcoal makes a half ass filter.
>>712062630
LOL yeah no doubt I'd be branded heretical. On that measure I'd probably devote my life to scholastic elucidation and try to enter forgotten worldviews. No worries either cause Thomas aquinas was a G. In hindsight I'd probably learn Latin, Greek and roman then translate old school writings from ancient libraries and monasteries
assuming i landed in the words i would cover myself in mud and pretend to be a troll and terrorise the local villages into leaving food out for me
>>712062374
-The *Romans* had plumbing (it is where the word 'plumbing' comes from)
-Welding is a blacksmithing technique (think you can get access to arc welding equipment?!) and is over 1,500 years old at the time
-You could get a degree in medicine by then. Medical knowledge was pretty far in advance of first aid and infirmaries at monasteries were all over the place.
>>712062720
No, I am agreeing with you. The world was obviously ready for more math
>>712063230
so a 12th century nigger then?
>>712062374
What are you vaccinated against?
Anything relevant?
You might be a lot worse off health wise than them. You have not been introduced to the many pathogens of their time. You would die of some small cold or influenza that no one else hardly got fazed by.
>vaccinated
Kek!
I'd teach people English and make it the lingua franca of the world for lols
I'm a mechanic with years of experience working on engines and fabrication.
I would find a farrier and have him assist me in fabricating the necessary parts for a crude but functional engine, attach it to other anons bullshit flying machine, then fly the fuck out of there before I die of Black Plague.
>>712058824
what debate are you talking about? Hitchens vs. Hitchens? or another one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjuS6gkkfp0
>>712063490
>implying it isnt already
>>712063552
No, I am not. I am implying it would vastly change the course of history for people in the 1200s to know modern English.
>>712063531
>fly the fuck out of there
you would fly to a different era?
>>712063531
good luck getting fuel
>>712063369
>the world was obviously ready for more math
Instead, we got meth.
>>712051646
>I bet I could make a flying machine.
Have fun being killed for heresy.
>>712063650
how could you teach them if you dont speak old english, why would they want to learn.
>>712062374
>vaccinated
Autismo detected.
>>712063763
I can speak a decent amount of Latin which was still commonplace so there's that on top of the fact that there will always be people interested in language somewhere.
>>712062721
>First Crusade:
>A bunch of men sold almost everything to arm themselves and travel to the edge of the known world into the heart of territory held my hostile forces
>fought their way through a massive enemy nation, conquering cities on the way
>Less than 13,000 men made it to Jerusalem, less than 1,600 of them knights
>The soldier prayed, and fasted, and sang chants
>Normally to assault a walled city the attacker needs at least a 3 to 1 advantage over the defenders; at Jerusalem the defenders had a 4 to 1 advantage over the crusaders
>The crusaders stormed the wall yelling their battlecry 'Denique Caelum' ["Heaven at last!"]
>They took the walls and the city that day
There is a reason Arabs still hate the word 'crusader'
>>712062232
kek
>>712051646
Where in the 1200's? Some places were better off than others. If you mean Western Europe, I suppose I would explain hand washing, importance of hygiene, how most disease works, etc. Im actually an aspiring medievalist and my focus is largely on barber-surgeons and plague doctors, so I can at least try to fix all the real back ass-ward shit.
>>712063539
v William Lane Craig
I know that at one point various British groups put out a blanket 'don't debate Craig, you'll lose" warning
>>712056672
Thank God they hunted giant snails to extinction. Our gardens today would be ruined!
It probably wouldn't be difficult to develop a flintlock or percussion cap rifle. At the very least I would be able to advance firearm technology by a couple hundred years.
>>712065026
autismo detected
I often fantasize about going back in time and altering history.
My coworkers and I used to talk about a scenario called "The Time Travelling Garage".
Imagine that you have a time machine that has an interior space, about the size of the average person's garage. You can take anything or anyone with you, so long as it fits in that space. What would you take? Where would you go? What would you do?
>>712064663
http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/theodoric-of-york/n8661
>>712064925
those things could leap and take a man's face off in an instant.
>>712065331
but its the rabbits with falchions that you had to be afraid of.
History majors would rule because they could predict the future. Everyone else who isn't very clever/furtunate would be pretty much screwed
