Hey everyone, 26 year old hopeless alcoholic here. I drink daily and when I don't I withdraw, I've tried detoxing a few times this month with no avail. When I do I get the shakes, heart palpitations, cold / hot sweats, insomnia, sever anxiety / depression, the whole 9.
I recently have come into self harm as well. Cutting my arms up and what not ... I've never done this before until now.
I don't know if I'll defeat this or how long I have left , I'd just like to talk to some like minded people if there are any on here. Thank you
...continue~?
>>712050055
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>>712050116
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>>712049737
I drink daily, and I know the cold sweats and the anxitey all to well. plus sometimes I forget to shower or water my plants then I have to go outside to buy some more booze looking like a hobo.
Unless you want to a coffee, cigarettes and AAA for life kind of person. Best to just kill yourself. 26 is a lot older than you think.
Your 1/3 of health and vitality is gone. The next 1/3 you will spend struggling and then you will waste for the next 1/3 of your existence.
Just kill yourself. The self harm is where you really failed out. Truly you deserve it.
Lmao don't look for empathy you fuck up. People tell you not to drink excessively and you do it anyways. This is what happens. You fucking die early and no one cares.
>>712050180
Have you tried weening it off? I'm in a similar boat. I always do cold turkey when I stop but I'm gonna try cut it over a couple of weeks this time. I wonder if ill have the self control though
>>712050313
AAA .... I don't need that shit... I'll try and be careful on the road
Your only real option right now is quitting anon. You can't go on like that, it will only destroy you. Work on your social relations and spend time with your loved ones, its not easy to stop drinking but you gotta do it, not only for you but also for everyone that you matter to or matters to you
>>712050415
Stepping down an addiction doesnt work. You are at high tolerance levels. You will just keep drinking once you start.
Once you know what being fucked up feels like you shoot for it every time.
>>712049737
you'll be ok anon!
>>712050415
I've been trying to ween off but I can't... Had a glass of wine last night that turned into two bottles and a bomber of beer ... Its hard maaaan
>>712050437
Lol my bad. AA.
I went from minimum 18 beers a day (6.1%) and my doctor prescribed ativan 1 mg 3x day. No anxiety, no shakes, pretty mellow . The sweats went away after a week. When I tried myself, all the same symptoms as you. So if you can get ativan, it may help.
>>712050522
i was the same till a month ago, it is possible anon....
Stale pasta
>>712050584
Pussy way out. You are now addicted to Ativan.
Go to a proper detox unit...they will help you come down nice and easy. Then just stop.
>>712050313
>26
>being remotely old
Old boy has a lot of life ahead of him. Come back to me when you're 35 and the best years are for sure behind you.
>>712050735
I'll cut you up and cook you like pasta
>>712050833
I am already into my 30s.
>>712050738
All addicts can do is trade their addictions for less destructive ones.
>>712050584
Samefag here. I stayed dry for 4 months with the intention of drinking responsibly after. I do that now. I still occasionally get wrecked, but that is few and far between. I now buy a six pack to watch the football on Sundays, but when it's gone, it's gone. I no longer drink during the week, unless I go out after work for dinner, I'll have a glass of wine. AA is bullshit once you get your shit together. I went to 3 meetings and went out drinking with a few degenerates right after.
>>712049737
DON'T try to detox yourself. Delerium tremens has a one in three chance of killing you stone dead without medical assistance. It's important to seek medical treatment now, because you're at high risk for Korsakoff's Syndrome, which is both incurable and untreatable. If you think your life is shit now, just wait until you try it with a shot liver and permanent traumatic brain damage.
>>712050584
Ativan withdrawal is just as bad if not worse. Probably worse.
29, drink 3 litres of cheap strong cider everyday, fully functioning alcoholic, drink to stop my mind racing with miserable thoughts, could probably stop if I really tried but don't actually want to. Jus try to get a grip on it, cold turkey is a fucking nightmare, try to take the edge off with xanax. Start making urself busy, keep ur mind off it.
Quit being a self loathing faggot, put the fucking beer down and go do something constructive. I had my own addictions and found that keeping myself distracted with good work got me through it.
>>712051095
This
>>712050738
I don't take it anymore. In fact, I still have at least 20 left from the original 90 (3 scripts of 30)
So come visit my shop and say that to my face. It's called Suckmy Tool & Die inc.
4 1/2 years sober here after a handle a day habit.
>>712051115
I didn't abuse it, and weaned myself off by halving for a week. No problem at all.
Try to talk with relatives, mother or father If you can
>>712049737
Anon, alcoholism is an extremely common addiction that destroys lives, many of my friends are alcoholics and one ended up almost killing his best friend in a fight. You should get help, see a therapist or something. Addiction specialists have dealt with this kind of thing before. Also, try smoking weed whenever you feel the need to drink, it can take the edge off and is a lot less harmful. Go out and exercise when you feel shitty, try meditation. Shit, I know people who have quit by seeing a hypnotist. It's extremely hard to get over, but have faith in yourself.
I'm a heroin addict so I can feel ur pain
>>712051800
I wish everyone stupid enoug to do heroin and/or meth even once died immediately. You fucks are ruining the gene pool.
>>712051542
>try smoking weed
Filthy degenerate.
>>712052010
Mmm chocolate shake
Be a man and go internal. Have you admitted this to people around you?
>>712052257
Yes sir
>>712051121
I drink between 4-6 8% beers a day. Never hair of the dog. Never blacked out.
>>712051214
I would tell you to your face that prescription medication is a pussy way of of self inflicted addiction.
Just like I do to heroin addicts.
>>712051966
Yes. NOTHING good ever came from doing heroin or meth just once.
>>712049737
I remember you, welcome back
>>712049737
My friend just died at age 26 from drinking himself to death. You dont have forever. If you truely value youre life you have to do like I did and reclaim your will power. Every single day you focus on bettering yourself. One foot in front of the other and you never stop for the rest of your life. I got in shape doing push ups pull ups etc in my own room. Biking hikes running for cardio. I went through my closet multiple times and reassesed what looks good on me and slowly started finding clothes i liked by forcing myself to go marshels with their shitty depressing lights. The more you exercise sociability, style, exercise, or working towards sobriety the better you will become. And sometimes this takes innovation and constantly analyzing and refining until it *clicks*
As for drinking specifically. You need to slowly drink less and less instead of quiting suddenly but you have to use ALL your willpower as a MAN. Even if that MAN is hard to see right now. If your general health is shitty too suck it up and ge to the dr. If thats too much to afford go online and apply for medical or whatev you can get or just make an appt to apply through a local clinic.
I started my turn around about 5 years ago. Now I barely drink. Completely quit smoking. Found my best style. Have a good career in the trades. Got back in shape. And my health kind of sucks and I get depressed but I have pride in myself now. Its a lot easier to walk out that door, theres a lot of things that make me happy and Im still alive.
Every day is forward and being your best. One step back two steps forward..never backwards.
>>712052010
>filthy degenerate
Yes, I would much rather ruin my life and my health drinking copious amounts of alcohol than smoke weed.
>>712051966
Some of the best people I know are high functioning drug addicts.
Some what serious answer here...
I have had same problems but with depression my whole life leading in to hard drug use in my mid 20s. im now a month away from turning 25 and suicide have long been on my mind as a way out. here in the next month or 2 ill be going willingly to a phyc-ward for group therapy. i really do hope it will help...
For your answer well.. i had a friend who had the same problem as me but was in the heavy end of all the alcohol. He killed him self and is not cured. No pulse, no problem mate. hope it helps and you find a way out of it. your good friend Grim.
How many days in a row have you been dranking?
I quit a multiple year daily habit at he beginning of the year and had withdrawal sympptoms for 5 months.
Regular ER visits thinking I was having a heart attack, and all sorts of weird little symptoms that generally just made me think I was dying.
I would say you need to go 3-5 months completely sober (dont start taking other drugs, your brain needs to reset and get used to being sober)
If youve been drinking daily for a long time you will need to give yourself multiple months sober before you feel better or beat all of the withdrawal symptoms
as for what to do to make things easier.
cardio, weights, lots of water, vegtables, fruit , healthy food etc.. start reading regularely its good for getting your mental state back to normal. also try and find productive hobbies or projects to spend your spare time on. don't just sit around bored thinking about how much you'd like to drink
>>712052506
>>712051966
>generalizing the use of certain drugs instead of the people who can't handle it
kys faggots
>>712052341
My dad has recently decided to go internal after 40 years of structural drinking abuse. He's recently got his third grandchild and it kills him to know he's not going to be able to kick a ball with them. It's never too late.
Also not to advocate new addictions but weed is infinitely better than alcohol in terms of social/physical damage caused if you have to bounce back with the help of something.
>>712052687
Then you know shit tier people.
>>712052995
Fuck you, go shoot up krokodil then.
Drinking is not your problem, op. There is something your trying to escape. Drinking is a symptom of you avoiding your REAL problem. Deep down, you know what it is. But you're too much of a pussy to face it. So you drink, tell everyone about how much you drink, pity me blah blah blah. You need to man up talk to someone about what's really your problem. You have to say it to someone OUT LOUD. That's called externalizing your issue. You're afraid how it sounds and how it might make you sound like a fag, but there's nothing more pathetic than chasing pity from people. Go get help. Talk to somebody and SAY THAT SHIT OUT LOUD.
>>712052632
And as for barely drink, I was never an alcoholic my main issue was smoking and my life derailing. My gf is a major alcoholic though. Like bipolar alcoholic with a homeless alcoholic dad and shes about 10 months sober now and turned her life around too.. but man it wasnt pretty.
>>712053151
>comparing recreational drugs to chemical waste
lol you normie
>>712051095
That beer taste good with the elephant on it.
>>712052670
Good. At least you'll die a man instead of a try hard teenager dick
Ever had delirium tremens?
I had it after drinking really heavy for a few months while traveling, i was shaking, sweating, hallucinations, no appetite, insomnia (worst i've ever had) and also when i drifted off especially when i was trying to sleep i kept thinking i was having conversations and things were happening but it was all in my head, i'd snap out of it, get back to thinking consciously again and it would just repeat over and over all night.
Does this resonate with you op
>>712049737
What is the drink of choice? thought I was bad drinking two pints a night.
>>712049737
i drink like 8-9 beer every night.
i try to avoid it for a few weeks now, but it isn't working...
if i only have 2 beers, i drink it, and I'm happy.
if i have 8 beers, i drink it, and I'm happy.
but if i have 8 beers, it's impossible to drink just 2... i have to drink everything...
it slowly fucks up my life, and I'm about to lose my job again. (i work for 10-12 hours, 6 times a week)... am i an alcohol? is it ok if i just stop drinking tomorrow, or will i die of withdrawal or something?
>>712049737
Was in a suiliar boat, was drinking everyday from afternoon til early morning about to quit job. Drinking 700ml of spirits or 15-30 5% beers. Got medicated for anxiety/depression and havent touched it in 6 weeks. Dobt even want one. Abdominal pains have gone, heads clearer works on the up. praise medication.
>>712053920
ps i also got the anxiety and heart palpitations as well. It was the shit in my head and the general confusion and disorientation which made it the worst though for me.
>>712053731
? Implying everyone who smokes weed is a try hard teenager dick. You are ill-informed man, look how many states have fully legalized recreational marijuana for those OVER 21 YEARS OLD! Look up "famous people who smoke weed" You can start with our fucking founding fathers, friend
>>712054063
and i get more depressed...
>>712054266
Seriously fuck off, in america you can also buy a gun before you drink a beer. Im 31 and i smoked weed for a long time when i was around 18-22 and i can honestly say it slows you brain function down, turns you into a liberal braindead moron.
Yea the sucessful famous people (Obama, Gates) smoked when they were young, not when they were successful.
You proliferate shit from the liberal media and everyone starts to believe it, weed is harmful like ALL drugs.
>>712049737
I used to drink 1.75 liters of vodka every other day. Lost my job and gf. Went to psych wards and got a dwi. Tried AA but it's just a cult. Eventually tried the Sinclair method with naltrexone now i dont drink at all. Just depressed all the time. If I even drink a shot I throw it up
>>712054588
Are you happier being an alcohol?
Its tough being an addict because you need to replace it with something
>>712054579
It is harmful like all other drugs, but it's significantly less harmful than lots of drugs that are legal. Just like any other drug, it can be bad if you are irresponsible with it. The reason it's illegal in the first place is because of racist propaganda against Mexicans, and the reason it's illegal now is because of lobbying from pharmaceutical companies worried about their profits once it becomes legal. Just because you misused it doesn't mean it's all bad.
Faggot
>>712054793
Being an alcoholic at least i went from super happy to super sick. Now I'm just depressed all the time life isn't worth living.
>>712054981
Oh wow, you've watched some pro weed documentaries and repeat what they say wow you're really smart.
>>712054981
I've known 40+ weed smokers and they all sound like you that self righteous holier than thou bullshit. They are insufferable to be around. They're all lazy and think everything they say is the most profound shit ever. At least drunk people can be fun to be around
>>712049737
hey buddy, fellow alchy here, been tryin to quit for a while
what do you drink each day? how much typically?
>>712054981
People seem to think that smoking pot opens the mind to enlightenment, and that the concepts you concieve while stoned are only appreicable while stoned because your normal brain just can't "handle them", as though they're so deep and profound that your normal self simply can't fathom them.
The reason for this horrendous misconception is simple: when you're stoned you turn yourself in to a stupid fuck that finds an epiphany in the shape of a table and enlightenment in how soft your sofa is. This is not some next level zen shit... it's just temporary retardation. The thoughts that you had while stoned make no sense when you're not stoned because they make no sense while you're stoned, but you can't tell... because you're stoned.
>>712054579
>implying you speak from personal experience
you don't
>>712049737
Dave?
>>712053962
Craft beer usually 7% or above. Drink until I pass out or make some stupid remarks to my ex
>>712053920
Yes all of this has happened to Mr in the past and recently ... Don't drink and become like me anon , its a hard life
>>712054063
anyone?
...last bump...
>>712055671
Not Dave, sorry
>>712055488
>>712055252
>>712055084
Fair point, pot heads are usually extremely outspoken about it and it's obnoxious. Yes, it can reduce motivation in many people. Yes, it is not good for your lungs (or brain if you're under 25 years old). However, it pisses me off when people say it's worse than alcohol. It doesn't inhibit basic motor skills as much as alcohol does, and it's much easier to function high rather than shitfaced. And drunk people can be fun to be around, or they can be loud, offensive, obnoxious, violent people that are extremely destructive, while a stoned person will be eating chips laughing their ass off sitting on a couch.
>>712051214
Address?
>>712055671
not op but I'm Davie gravy with a similar story
>>712055795
It depends really, if you abuse the shit out of either you're fucking yourself badly.
If you smoke a joint every month or have a few beers every month you'll be completely fine.
>>712055787
You're on your way but you won't die. Probably just feel shitty for 2 days.
>>712055982
True, but someone who drinks excessively daily will deteriorate and die exponentially faster than an excessive daily pot smoker. It all depends on the user, though, as many people let substances control them
>>712052435
And your ignorant opinion would be as relevant as a mosquito bite on a fucking rhinocerous. You're obviously a know nothing cunt and a waste of oxygen. And you are obviously someone who's high horse casts a shadow over all us plebes who should strive to be as perfect as you. Fuck off.
>acquire benzos
>sleep for 3 days
>how is this difficult
>>712055795
Do you think it's OK to smoke weed and drive?
>>712056099
Yea true, you wont die if you abuse cannabis but you honestly you might as well, i'd rather die than have a turd for a brain.
>>712055895
Look up my business. Again, it's Suckmy Tool & Die.
I drink maybe 3 standard drinks total a YEAR and enjoy the benefits of smooth sobre pickups of wimminz at clubs/bars/pubs, rock-hard dick during intercourse, strong liver and a host of other common-sense benefits from not killing myself with the most normie drug in normington.
bye fags
>>712055750
Damn nigger, how do you afford the good beer? I drink good beer a lot, but never get drunk on it. I'd figure the financial aspect would keep you from getting drunk. Now you're just a moron blowing money on expensive beer. I down milwaukees best and midshelf vodka like it's going out of style.
>>712056429
>hey Brad do you want a beer?
>no sorry i only drink 3 standard drink in total per year
You sound like a blast to be around, Brad.
>>712056143
I wouldn't condone it, but it depends on the person. Tolerance, how much they smoked, how long they wait. Still, I would drive dabbed the fuck out over driving drunk any day- at least there's no way for cops to prove that you're high
>>712056433
Maplefag here. A 12 of 6.1% Labatt Blue Dry is $13.00. Great beer too.
>>712056569
The cheek swab will be in use soon.....
>>712056569
Don't know where you live, but they've started doing saliva tests on drivers they think are stoned where i live.
>>712056433
That's still very much in style, if you're in college. Except replace mid-shelf vodka with bottom-shelf. McCormick, Aristocrat, Viaka, etc
>>712056591
>Labatt
>craft beer
Pick one. That's like saying sam adams is craft beer in the US.
an hero. It's the best bet.
>>712056693
>>712056690
I live in Missouri where it's illegal. Personally, I think that is unfair because it can stay in your saliva for up to 3 days. But, I guess it's better than having no consequences for driving stoned
>>712056702
Wasn't claiming it was a craft beer....but in Montreal craft beer usually goes for $6.99/6 up to $18 for 6.
>>712056433
I'm a bartender... I get 80% off all my alcohol intake
>>712056702
I'm a bartender in Chicago and labatts is $2.
>>712056856
I think they still need a reason to swab you though...erratic driving, bloody eyes, looking for your words...etc. I know they'll abuse it, but are supposed to have reasonable grounds.
>>712057112
Yeah, it's pretty cheap because alkies go for the 6.1 (or 7.5 or 10%) instead of the standard 5% in most domestics. The 10% is nasty like malt liquor, the 7.5 is decent when really frosty.
Have any of you other alcoholics tried to fuck your pain away? Not trying to brag or anything whatsoever ... Sad that I have to say that but we are on /b/ ... I'm a pretty good looking guy .. 6 foot with a good head of hair and not fat ... Recently went through some matters with the heart with a women and after that I went nuts got drunk as fuck more than I have been, texted her crazy shit every night until she blocked my number and have been having sex like crazy. Thing is I get nothing from it at all... I don't fucking get it
>>712056547
I am dawg, I don't and never have needed alcohol to chat to new people, enjoy festivals, get digits from fineass honeys, be the best goddamn wingman on the planet or sweep my problems under the rug. My single days were a blast, I would smooth talk women into buying ME drinks and just pass them on to my mates. I still go out and love it, with or without my fiance around and she's cool either way.
I highly recommend this life but suicide is a fantastic option if you're way past being useful to society anyway.
>>712057137
fair point. If they didn't swab, there would be no repercussions for people to be driving straight blitzed, and people would do it without any fear
>>712052965
>3-5 months completely sober
21 years off the sauce for me and I'd say 3-5 years. You don't just marinate your brain in vodka for 8 years and then you're right as rain by Christmas if you stop now. Mind you shit gets a lot easier after the first few days/weeks/months, but in retrospect I was soft in the head for a good long while.
>>712054579
>(Obama, Gates) smoked when they were young, not when they were successful.
Yeah, once you're successful you can afford to step up to cocaine.
>>712054063
If you always over-shoot the target once you start drinking you're fucked. Download the AA book and read "the doctor's opinion". It's pretty old, but the science is still valid.
In layman's terms you develop a sensitivity to alcohol and if you put it in your body it sets off a craving over which you have little or no control. Your solution is complete abstinence, and no 8-9 beers a night and stopping abruptly won't kill you. Guys who die from alcohol withdrawal are doing like half a gallon of 80 proof liquor a day and stop abruptly... only the really late stage cases.
>>712049737
have you tried tapering off, or seeing a doctor? there are medications available that will lessen the affects.
My advise? Don't use any NA or AA groups. They will psychologically lock you into thinking you will never be good enough to ever casually have a drink again in your life, and will compel you into a cycle of guilt that will only make things worse on you in the long run.
see a doctor. a real one.
>>712056433
No same person but craft beer is very cheap and available here in southern California. I can get a pint of 6.5% iPa that actually taste good for 1.25$. Or a imported German beer for 1.50$ a pint 6% alcohol.
>>712057704
>things that never happened
>>712056690
Which is the easiest test to fool.
>>712051121
29 here also, drink about a bottle of captain or black velvet a night for the past 3 years. I'll quit cold turkey here and there but it won't last for more than a month
Not gonna lie, the cold sweats, heart palpitations, nightmares, insomnia, and waking up not being able to breath fucking blows
Upside, I eat really healthy since I was in my early teens, the only bad thing I really put into my body is the sauce so my withdrawals aren't as bad as some people.
I feel like shit don't get me wrong but I don't feel near death. When I drink for more than 3 weeks straight is when it gets scary. Chest gets really tight and shooting pains, headaches, my insides start to hurt to be honest. I'll bing eat after to counteract hangover
It blows but I'm hoping this time will be the time I kick it for good. What's bad is I love the taste of whiskey, plus all my friends are casual drinkers so that's a challenge
>>712058196
>psychologically lock you into thinking you will never be good enough to ever casually have a drink again in your life
Jesus Christ, where do you get this shit? It's not a psychological lock, it's hard science. There's physical and physiological changes that happen to the brain from drinking/drugs too much too often for too long and there's EKG readings to prove that once you have wired those areas in your brain to respond to alcohol/drugs your brain/body will ALWAYS be sensitive to it.
If you have a peanut allergy you can't just have a fucking snickers bar in a few years when you feel like you have more self esteem.
>>712058306
I have no idea.
>>712058454
>all my friends are casual drinkers so that's a challenge
Yeah, I'm sure they'll really miss your fucking pig drinking if you were to give it up for good. You must be the life of the party.
>>712057371
Do you drybacks got this ish up there
>>712049737
take nac, milk thistle and tudca
also multivitamin, B-Komplex, exercise daily, cardio is the best. vitamin d3 10.000 I.U. MK7 (K2) 200 ng
Op go to the gym, think about what you have to gain, and spend 1-2 hours in the gym a day.
Full commitment to your fitness will undoubtedly help you
>>712058871
Actually fuckhead I don't get hammered around my friends because I think that's embarrassing as fuck to be so sloppy drunk around people
I'll get hammered at home then get up and go to work, which isn't better in itself
Why don't you suck your own self entitled cock before you go assuming you lonely twat, why the fuck are you even in this thread.
Fucking 7\10 for making me reply you millennial faggot
>>712058712
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2015/04/the-irrationality-of-alcoholics-anonymous/386255/
AA is a cult dude. A cult that makes you feel like any slip up deems you worthless and erases any progress you have made.
There is almost nothing about AA based in science. At all. AA is base don faith and humiliating someone when they betray that faith.
>>712056547
Keeeek
>>712058885
Funny story about that nasty shit... A few years ago on my bid night of my fraternity they handed each pledge one of these as soon as we walked in the door... We had 2 minutes to finish it. People were puking in 30 seconds. Shit is like 4 loko but much worse
>>712056429
I'm going to need sauce on that. SAUCE. GET IT?!
>>712059505
This is actually true, I use to go to the gym 3-4 times a week when I kicked it for about a year.
Mad as fuck at myself for relapsing, I felt so good psychology and physically, plus I looked fucking great so my confidence was at an all time high
Good suggestion
>>712058885
I can't say I've seen it before. I usually head to thebspot where my brand is and ignore everything else.
im a 26 yr old alcoholic too, i like absinthe but it makes me try and shit on people i swear that stuff makes you high and drunk.
Bunp
>>712059538
Been a member for 21+ years and you are so fucking far wrong.
>slip up
You mean drinking alcohol right? Or do you mean if you slip on a banana peel people will hate you?
The fact is, the name of the game is continuous sobriety. If you continue drinking you aren't sober. There's no judgment, sanction, or punishment for members who continue to drink (besides the actual consequences of drinking).
If you feel worthless for having fucked up the "don't drink" part, that's on you, and if you think that just changing the pattern of your drinking and not stopping is "progress" more power to you. I don't have to live with your drunken trouble and it's no skin off my nose.
Wish you the best of luck, pal. Keep plugging and I'm sure you'll figure out a way to drink in moderation sooner or later. When you get that figured out come back here and let us know how it's going for you.
> sip...
( ? } ( õ,o)
>>712049737
straight edge and possitive mental attitude :)
>>712049737
GO TO THE FUCKING DOCTORS AND ADMIT YOU HAVE A PROBLEM
WEW IT WAS SO HARD
HMMM
I WONDER WHAT WOULD HELP
MAYBE
HMM
MAYBE A QUALIFIED SPECIALIST
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>>712060113
Leave that shit anon
>>712060684
>There's no judgment, sanction, or punishment for members who continue to drink
You couldn't be more wrong about something in your entire fucking life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ctdd7WzoGE
I can't. I just can't~. What in existence are you living organisms speaking of?!
What-- what am I thinking!?
> continues rant
>>712060684
But why does the name of the game have to be continuous sobriety? What about calling it something a little more realistic like "Find out why you're not dealing with issues responsibly and man the fuck up and get your shit together, and then you're allowed to have a cold one now and then without hating yourself?"
Serious question. P.s I'm drinking right now.
>>712061445
>You couldn't be more wrong about something in your entire fucking life.
OK, shitstain, my 21+ years of regular attendance at AA meetings all over the country is invalidated by what? You went to a few meetings and somebody hurt your feelings or you couldn't grow a pair of balls and stop drinking?
Why not talk about the great alternative you've discovered? A lifelong dependency on pharmaceuticals? Just trying to lengthen the periods between binges?
If you just cut back and only have a few beers with the guys now and again, you were never an alcoholic to begin with and AA isn't for you in the first place.
>>712049737
Yeah I've been there. Where the fear of withdrawal keeps you from stopping. It's a pretty shitty cycle. I lived like that for two years (bottle a day), and one day I was like, fuck I look like shit, and people don't recognize me. It sucks detoxing. The anxiety is like overwhelming and you know that if you just have one drink it'll go away. Depending on how long you've been drinking it can kill you too.
I got over that bottle a day thing when I became a truck driver and could only drink on weekends. I worked monday through friday and drinking didn't even cross my mind. That's why I loved that job so much. Luckily today there's more help out there than AA (which is bullshit and basically just works if you don't drink at all). I still get into trouble occassionally when I'm really bored or my girlfriend goes out of town more than a few days at a time.
You may never beat it, but it's possible to learn to manage it.
>>712062133
This. I am the same way. I can (now) kick back on a Sunday and not go crazy, but when the gf is away, I tend to indulge...or an annual golf tourney with the boys...the annual fishing trip with boys...the bimonthly poker game with the boys...the occasional hockey game with the boys...hey! Drinking isn't my problem, my boys are!
>>712062133
>basically just works if you don't drink at all
So if drinking was so shitty for you why would you even want to keep doing it?
>>712062133
>learn to manage it.
Yeah, I've totally got the wrong idea actually NEVER having any drunken trouble. Think about me next time you're dry heaving or enjoying a hangover.
>>712059538
Oh, and that Atlantic article looks to me like no more than sponsored content paid for by Naltrexone. If you think a lifelong dependency on Big Pharma for the sake of being able to continue to consume "in moderation" something which has ruined your life, you've got more problems than me, AA, or God can help you with.
>>712049737
Yo I almost fell into this trap, taper yourself off, if you're drinking six packs a day, drink 3 a day, then after doing that for a week take it down to 2, do that for a week then drink 2 every other day for a week or two then try cutting it off
>>712061892
You've got me wrong. I'm not a drinker. I'm just saying that AA isn't what you make it out to be. It isn't based on science, it's based on faith. A faith that once betrayed has sever and deep psychological consequences for those people caught up in it. I have watched loved ones attend AA meetings and fall into a cycle of detox and binge, based on a feelings of extreme worthlessness from having a single drink. There is no support in your program for people that relapse, other than "well fuck now you have to start all over again, it was all your fault."
Your very defensiveness of AA without any alternative is iconic of zealous AA members. AA presents a very dangerous and very mentally harming image in the heads of people that desperately need help and support, the image that if you fail is all on your, that you weren't good enough or didn't try hard enough. Thinking that someone would have to spend a life time taking pharmaceuticals is just the kind of brainwashing anti-science stance that the program takes. Yes, there are pharmaceuticals out there that do a great job of helping to break the cycle of addiction. You do not have to take them the rest of your life, you take them with individual therapy and support from people that understand progress is a lot more than "one drinks means you fucked up."
>>712050507
It takes a lot of will power if OP truly wants to get better he'll do it
OP if you read this or any alcoholic take a week off and try to just relax your mind once you're finishing tapering off
>>712049737
25yo here, been drinking since I was 14. I drink excessive amounts of beer every day, before during and after work (I'm a cook at a bar/pizza shop). All my free time is spent alone in my room playing xbox, listening to podcasts and drinking beer. I've tried to quit before but it didn't stick; now I've accepted my drinking and don't want or plan to quit, at least anytime soon. Just don't be too hungover to work and make money and I'm good.
>>712050584
Used Ativan for withdrawal too before and it really works, it clears your head up and eases most symptoms. Just take as needed and once you no longer need it (2-4 days max) ween quickly off them and you'll be fine.
You won't withdraw from benzodiazepines unless u develop the same tolerance and addiction similar to the alcohol issue. Just definately don't go on another bender after you detox and are clean for awhile because (google kindling effect) the symptoms each time from cessation of drinking after a bended will only get worse and worse and you can have a seizure or even a fatal one.
>>712063048
>Oh, and that Atlantic article looks to me like no more than sponsored content paid for by Naltrexone. If you think a lifelong dependency on Big Pharma for the sake of being able to continue to consume "in moderation" something which has ruined your life, you've got more problems than me, AA, or God can help you with.
Not surprised you'd say or think that. AA is based around faith, not science, and has actively rejected that there could possibly be any other way than guilting someone into changing cold turkey.
> I'll just go OD elsewhere.
>>712051095
>Delerium tremens has a one in three chance of killing you stone dead without medical assistance
I like these odds.
>>712052995
>but weed is infinitely better
Enjoy being a zombie. Even if it limits social damage.
>>712063535
You are me... completely , except maybe without women problems and facing jail time
>>712056099
>die exponentially faster
Yeah, slow death by COPD is so much better right ?
>>712061056
>MAYBE A QUALIFIED SPECIALIST
Wont be with you all day unless you are a millionaire. And there is no drug that cures alcoholism.
>>712063439
>. I have watched loved ones attend AA meetings and fall into a cycle of detox and binge,
And that's AA's fault? Did members hold them down and force feed them whiskey after they admitted to having a drink?
>relapse
You mean drink alcohol, right? Really if you've got a way to be sober and keep drinking at the same time why the fuck did you wind up in AA to begin with? We're not trying to stop you if you want to keep drinking, we're in the business of helping you stop and stay stopped if you want permanent sobriety.
>it was all your fault
After literally tens of thousands of meetings attended all over the country I have never once heard this. Though it begs the question, at what point does personal responsibility enter into the equation? I can assure you me and my friends in the fellowship have never encouraged anybody to drink nor given anybody alcohol (beyond keeping them out of seizures on the way to detox)
>without any alternative
I don't need an alternative. If you can control your drinking why the fuck would you come to AA in the first place? If you find some other method to solve your drinking problem you're welcome to it, I don't begrudge you and wish you all the best. It says right in our literature that we don't claim to have the monopoly on staying sober.
>Thinking that someone would have to spend a life time taking pharmaceuticals is just the kind of brainwashing anti-science stance that the program takes
That's what that Atlantic article suggested. Like I said, I found what works for me so it's not like I'm even shopping around for alternatives. I had never heard of that before you posted the article.
>progress is a lot more than "one drinks means you fucked up."
I repeat, if you can just have one or two, what's the problem? Why would you have ever came to AA to begin with? Fuck, why even worry about it at all?
>>712064433
Truth
>>712049737
Oh hey me from 1 year ago.
Now a year sober. First month is fucking terrible. Reddit has a useful board /stopdrinking/ because there's a lot of poor cunts like you going through the same thing.
Anyway, if you are like me, all your problems are solved by getting dry. You aren't poor or depressed or unattractive or boring or any of that nonsense. In your head.
Stop. Get through the first month whatever way you can (fap 5 times a day or something) and after that life will be whatever it should be
>>712064643
Haha thanks for the advice... hope to be there soon
>>712063706
The "science" there is very iffy as well. Theres a lot of anecdotal evidence of people who managed to cut back on drinking, and the only evidence of success is sending out letters some undefined time period after "treatment" asking people how they were doing.
The major flaw in asking an alcoholic who is still drinking how they're doing or how much they're drinking in a week is that they will fucking lie every time. I've been to plenty of funerals of guys who were "doing OK" and "not that bad". Fuck I was drinking until I shit my pants for half a year and if you asked me a week before I quit how it was going for me I'd have told you I'm doing all right.
Game recognize game.
It's OK though, as I said to the other guy, I found the answer to my drinking problem and can tell you what worked for me. I don't even pretend to know or care what'll work for you.
Honestly there's a lot of holes in that article and I'd suggest the author has an axe to grind against AA since a lot of things are taken out of context from AA, a lot of strawmen created and smashed, and not much scritiny was applied to the other methods suggested.
>>712063663
I used 70 of the 90 prescribed, no desire to even touch them. They've sat untouched only because I haven't brought them back to the pharmacy. But I digress. I took 3 a day for 2 weeks, 2 a day for a week, then 1 a day for a week, then just halved from time to time when I thought about it. No issues whatsoever.
Quit and survive the shit for the month as others have said.
Don't start smoking weed though. Or any drug. You're a fucking junkie and you'll find a way to get addicted to non addictive things
Source: I did.
>>712065885
>implying weed is non-addictive
Nice propaganda
>>712066019
Yeah, I think it probably is. God knows I know more losers from weed than I do from anything else.
Context: Irish. Maybe legal weed is different in some way that I don't know about.
Anyone know how to get a prescription to any detox meds at all without healthcare? I've been to the ER for WD's before but they only give them to you for a day to 3 days max then I fall back into the vicious fucking cycle
>>712066251
Legal weed is just more potent.
>>712066574
After 3 days all the alcohol is out of your system and you won't die.
That said, you can order any other pills you like online so perhaps try google?
>>712050329
true dat
>>712066898
More potent if you so but also presumably regulated.
If there wasn't laws keeping cigarette companies from making cigarettes more addictive they'd probably have something.
Maybe more potent means more addictive but it's not like whiskey is more addictive than beer. If those are things that are comparable.
>>712066574
Maplefag here. I just walked into a clinic and told the random doctor that I was going to stop drinking and wanted his advice. He explained the possible issues I might experience and suggested ativan as an aid. It worked for me because my mentality and timing was right. I was also very aware of the risk associated with replacing 1 addiction with another, so I never committed to the full cycle he prescribed. I also did alot of self reflection and worked on myself.
Good luck.
>>712049737
That is almost to the word, the same shit I'm going through man.
>>712066574
we've got to get you into treatment.
what city are you in? do you have any health ins?
can you commit to at least 30 days?
Stop letting alcohol control you. I am 24, I am an alcoholic, I destroyed my family before it could really begin (I have a 2 year old and a wife who cheated on me while pregnant with my second kid, if it even is mine) and I fucked up. I won't let it control me. I won't let it tell me how much money I got. I won't let it control my relationships or how my kids see me. I won't be second to my addiction anymore. Stop being a pussy and take control of your life. But most importantly, look around you at what it's done to you and everything around you. Alcohol didn't do that, YOU did, you fuck.
Next time you get fucking rekt because you suck, record yourself and watch that shit whenever you sober up.
>>712068175
we've got to get you into treatment too. are you ready to stop drinking? and will you commit to at least 30 days in treatment?
Naltrexone with the Sinclair method is scientifically proven to cure alcholism
http://www.the-sinclair-method.com
>>712067207
Yea but stronger weed gets you higher whereas stronger alcohol doesn't get you drunker, just drunker quicker.
>>712067207
Well I live in Maine and we just passed recreational. Amidst the regulations are specifications of which strains can be sold (so that potency is known).
Of course where it's legal, it's super cheap and easy to get, so black market weed has to be as good to compete (or better), and since you don't get busted for possession there's less risk for dealers being rolled over on, and generally anybody can get high potency grass anywhere with little to no risk.
>>712068324
>scientifically proven to cure alcholism
By having to be a pill popper for the rest of your life.
Oh well, the idea of being sober without actually quitting drinking is the wet dream of every alcoholic so I'm sure that quack doctor is a billionaire by now.
Again his "success rate" is figured by a phone call or letter a year or two down the road asking "how's your drinking working out for you" and the alcoholics saying "Yeah, I'm doing great". I repeat, every alcoholic in the history of alcohol will lie and tell you (and themselves) that they have things under control. That's kind of the nature of the beast.
Good luck to you though. If you don't have the balls to actually stop and stay stopped and don't mind being a slave to big pharma, it's probably better than drinking yourself to death.
Former heroin addict here, I wouldn't wish alcoholism on my worst enemy. As bad as dope wd's are, they can't kill you, but alcohol wd's can and have.
I don't know OP, addiction sucks. For example, I"m on methadone but I still have urges to use every now and again and the dreams are the worst! With heroin specifically, if we junkies had an unlimited supply we would be functional members of society. Opioids are naturally non-toxic to the body. They don't fuck your liver up like booze. They aren't neurotoxic or cardio-toxic. It the perfect class of drug.
If only there was enough for a life-time eh. Theres just never enough.
Also when I was in detox they made us go to NA/AA every night and it was torture. No one there approves of medicated assisted treatment, which has been proven to work time and time again. Methadone and suboxone have less relapse rates than na ever did and they look down or even actively shun it, pretty funny actually.
Anyone OP i recommend you go to a detox center and get benzo treatment for your withdrawals, otherwise you could die. Get some help, go to detox, get on the right path.
>>712069227
but i dunk drunker...
>>712069783
naltrexone is non addictive and you just take it before you feel like drinking and you soon drink in moderation. doesnt seem like a big burden. the DR. doesnt make any money from it. and scientifically proven in clinical studies with drug testing in scandinavia, not phone calls.
Pasta though
Try googling H.A.Ms, it will help you taper of with minimal withdrawals
