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What is the best programming language and why is it C++?
comic sans, the one on my manga
>>711652276
You seem to already know that C++ is the best language, so what's the point of this thread?
>>711652276
But what about Scheme?
>>711652864
Have you read your SICP today?
>>711652276
It depends a little on which criteria you score it
On one hand C++ makes it much harder for idiots to produce working code, on the other hand C++ makes it much easier for hackers to break your shitty code
>>711652276
C++ is an abomination of a language.
>>711652276
The best programming device is a computer
>>711652276
I personally like CSS
>>711653046
That's a funny way to spell "Java".
>C++
Nigga learn HTML and then come talk to me.
I like brainfuck
>>711653091
Yes ur rght the bestest device of programs is computir
>>711653369
Eye knows, ur whalecum random anon
>>711653181
Nope, Java must be better that C++, considering M$ jumped onto the chance to clone it and ideally replace C++.
>>711652977
>C++ makes it much harder for idiots to produce working code
The opposite is true. It's easy to misuse it's features not present in C to make really retarded, bloaty code that still functions. Especially with templates, good god was that a bad idea in retrospect.
>>711652276
Angular 2
>>711653821
>programming language
>lists a framework
>>711652276
c++ is a great langauge for things like game design and more complex programs where you need low level access. C is the backbone witch is great. C++ adds allot more libraries to choose from and classes. But your not forced to program using classes though it is standard.
>not mentioning god-tier C#
you just answered your own question you stupid nigger
>>711654288
C# is really fun to program in but is mostly only usable on windows :/
>>711653091
truth
>>711654666
False, with .NET Core you can code for Linux, Mac or Docker just as well as for Windows. Same code, multiplatform support. Limited extensions tho, but hey, it gets all the required job done.
>>711654875
But not fully portend to linux and mac
>>711654875
Java does the same trick, and it's bytecode runs natively on ARM processors.
>>711652276
I've been a software engineer since the 90s and I can tell you that there is no such thing. You can have a preference, sure but no such thing as the "best."
>>711655095
>what is windows RT
>>711652276
Totally depends on what you're doing, but in general I'd say Python 2.7
I think java is the best, its the easiest to learn and it not overly complicated and best of all it goes nicely on linux
>>711654875
>using mono
ISHYGDDT
>>711655256
The Cuck's Answer
>>711652276
C++ is garbage.
It takes a god-tier language, C, and tacks on the world's second worst implementation of classes. Everything that's not part of C is javascript tier.
Just use C and structs jfc.
>>711655636
Nope, not at all. It's a stupid argument. The question should be: what is your favorite programming language and why?
>>711655763
So what is it?
python, niggers
>>711655718
what is the worlds worst implementation of classes?
>>711652276
Shouldn't it be ++C. Cause else you'd just be using C and increment after.
>>711655935
++C would be D by that logic.
C is the language of God. C++, well, its just a mess, really. Useless feature piled on another useless feature, designed to make you feel smart when what you're doing is actually really stupid. Not only that, but OOP is also dying, and thank god for that.
>>711652276
C
One you read assembly dumps of your compiled code, which and alpha cider does, thou cocoon know what thou ate laying down
C++ is for the whiners who can't organize their functions and structures and pointers
The less you can imagine the machine code created, the more irresponsible your code
>>711655817
My favorite language? I have a couple in no particular order:
- Lisp (scheme, cl)
- C
- Erlang
>>711652276
VB6 4life
nothing gets the UI done faster, and over the years people have developed techniques that let you do just about anything in the language.
multithreading, standard DLLs, modern shell stuff.. all has been hacked in.
>>711655419
Python 3.x is better than 2.7 idiot. It builds on shortcomings of previous versions. I hope you're either trolling or just an idiot.
>>711656082
Spell check my Sides!!!
>>711656206
Zozzle
>>711655544
it goes nicely on any system. That the perk of the Virtual machine.
>>711653992
>joke
>your head
>>711656041
It would be C+1
>>711656296
>My balls
>Your mom's open mouth
>>711656076
programming noob here, can you explain why the death of OOP is good and what and why the alternative is better?
>>711653149
I more like CSGO
>>711656212
It depends on what you want to do. 2.7 has much broader support than 3.x but that will likely change soon enough. Python && HTML5 for life.
>>711656452
>my mom
>is in a coffin
IMO its any version of Python. The syntax doesn't give me aids so that's definitely a plus
>>711656542
Aw, apologies then. Tell her to get well soon, OK?
>>711656716
ok, you can put your balls in mouth instead?
>>711656453
Because computer's don't actually work like the real world, hence its not useful to think of them as if they did, not in high performance programs anyway. Objects themselves are a necessary thing to organize code, but trying to think of everything as an object has lead to the gazillion "design patterns" and other OOP-ideology-driven anti-patterns in wide use today, making large programs much harder to read than they should be, and on top of that, less performant than they could be. Its also misinformed to think that what makes an object is it's logic (methods) - an object is data, and the data is what really says how the logic should work.
For some references if you're interested on the subject though:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rX0ItVEVjHc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QM1iUe6IofM
I use qBasic64
Its really good at making games.
>>711656815
I will, just don't bite too hard, slugger.
*does a 360 and walks away non threateningly*
>>711656898
holy shit thank you
>>711653449
>what is a zune
>>711652276
because you can't make any operating system, or any REAL game, without c++ and it made all actual technology including enviroment for interpreted languages possible, java, python and others interpreted languages are for normiplebs
>>711656898
Thanks, but I don't get what OOP is exactly. I know what objects and methods are, but what makes a program OOP? Is it lack of functions? Lack of something else?
Every programmer's dream is to pretty much be able to program in pseudocode.
Python fits a realistic version of that dream
>>711657157
>you can't make any operating system, or any REAL game, without c++
You're thinking about C here, not C++. The Linux kernel for example has no C++ code in it. Before the early 2000s, C was also the standard in game programming, and a lot of studios still use it instead of C++.
>>711652276
Gr8 b8 m8, I r8 it 8/8.
>>711656898
This anon gets It
Oop is quite needed in Game development though
>>711657251
When a class is instantiated as an object, that is OOP. Fuck you.
>>711652276
There is no best language it is subjective. I program in java, c++, and go mostly but those are just what i enjoy
>>711657251
Not the same anon, but what makes a language oop is that everything is built around clases and objects which are instantiated from them, instead of just data. Usefull when you need to represent complicated data estructures, and incredibly annoying for everything else
>>711657353
Lisp has always been able to do that.
>>711653697
lrn2English
>>711657622
How are you liking Go?
Favorite compiled?
Delphi.
Best compiled?
C++
Favorite scripting language?
Perl
Best scripting language?
Probably Python 2.7, maybe Python 3
>>711653254
>trying to show off with a useless, esoteric language
well don't you feel like a special little snowflake?
>>711658005
You gave me flashbacks when you said Delphi!!
>>711657251
Its this misinformed ideology of trying to conceptualize everything in a program as an object, coming with a lot of additional jargon bundled with it, such as 'inheritance'. Since this way of thinking is so prevalent in the industry, or has been for a long time, basically most programming courses talk about it very early on, so I don't think I should go into it much further. What I do have to say is that when your code starts to be full of things like "AbstractClassManagerFactory" or "FactoryGeneratedSingletonObjectManager" or whatever similar messes nobody will ever understand the intention of, you've grasped the essence of industrial object-oriented programming.
>>711653697
>Especially with templates, good god was that a bad idea in retrospect.
Idiots inability to use a language feature doesn't invalidate that language feature.
>>711658086
the sweet, sweet, rapidly-developed memories
>>711658091
"You haven't written C++ until you can't understand the code you wrote only a few weeks ago" - Stallman, probably.
Lua
Come at me faglords
>>711655831
javascript obviously
>>711652276
php
>>711658144
The only time I did windows dev. It was with Delphi ~1998 or so. I mostly did development on IRIX and other unix/bsd systems. It was nice having that IDE with all the tooling in one spot. Borland did a good job. I was glad I studied Pascal in the past!
>>711652276
The one that allows you to do all of the job the fastest.
C++ is trash for anything than performance-constrained programming. Way too much syntax.
>>711656212
I prefer python 2.7 over 3.x purely because I can type "print x" instead of print (x)". Saves so many keystrokes
>>711658450
Lua is interesting. Never had to work on a project using it.
>>711655419
We said programming not scripting, Kid.
>>711658609
C++ has an incredibly reductive syntax. It just happens to be that most of the things C++ doesn't hold your hand for are handled by contemporary langues. Therefore, it gets a bad rap.
>>711655718
But with c++ you get allot more support for libraries with backward comparability. You can choose not to use classes and write in mostly c.
>>711656453
Well basically OOP done by smart people is good.
But when it's done by not-so-smart design copypaster, it become objects creating objects inheriting abstract objects. Each portion of code for a single entity is spread other lots and lots of files for "code efficiency" -when the correct way to do it would have been a helper class which are barely seen nowadays because multi-inheritance-
Any industrial java code is a pure mess.
The alternative is a "back to the root" hiding the objects to the user, making them program in a more c-style imperative way or asynchronous programming.
Basically either you are dumb and you should only manipulate simple tools that prevent you from fucking everything up or you know what you are doing and only then you can start using the complex stuff.
>>711655820
python is a cool begineer langauge and one of the easiest. But in the real world its ostly used for web developement. Most compannys dont want to release their source code to the public. Yes you can compile your python but then you need to make it fully in python or link with another langauge which i dont even know where to be.
>>711659284
Not to mention that the C++ intel compiler have nearly the same output for C style C++ and pure C. No perf loss.
Assembler of course
>>711659444
>Any industrial java code is a pure mess.
Embedded software developer here, worked closely with a team of Android "devs" for the last year, interfacing hardware with mobile platforms. Good fucking God Java programmers are the stupidest, most "copy-pasta" programmers on the face of the planet.
>>711657134
A great media player for its time?
>>711659284
what those libraries provide is rarely necessary, and if it is, its pronably already implemented in c. the problem with c++ is that it tempts you to make bad decisions, like using the abstracted interfaces of said libraries such as stl containers, without really understanding the costs. that being said, sure, you can write c in c++
>>711656076
>well, its just a me
Yea plus C is is the languages all other language's are steming from. But yea i use c++ exclusively for some of the class features and that is it. I can use a template class in some senerios that makes things allot easier
>>711658934
I do agree. The sugar of C++ is incredibly efficient at doing what it does. But in most other languages you don't need to do it. But then why not use those contemporary language ? Most C++ industrial stuff is .Net anyway, and once you've coded your expensive stuff in a C++ lib you just use C# to do the actual work.
>>711655335
this
everyone now laugh at how [stupidly mean insult] OP is.
>>711659895
I remember reading about the dev cycle of WCIII where one of the team member was complainging that stuff like droppable items where like 20 nested class in a row and that changing anything was nearly impossible without creating bugs for evertyhing else.
I like to code in C. The only variables are a 256kb malloc'd array and a 4kb array, the contents of which I can freely cast to any type. Functions are initialized as byte arrays and called exclusively through function pointers. None of them take any arguments or return values directly, but instead read from specific offsets into the 4kb array. Functions may not create local variables, but must instead allocate and release space on the larger array. Tracking this usage is accomplished with a pointer located on the small array. Variable names should be limited to one or two characters, to conserve valuable screen space on my 2002 Intel machine.
>>711653697
Templates are a vital part of several features that make C++11 and up usable. They're also pretty nice in D.
>>711659957
>Yea plus C is is the languages all other language's are steming from
Lol no.
Fortran, cobol, OCaml, STL, GSL...
C is the father of all C-style-syntax languages, which is only a small portions of the languages albeit the most used imperative family of language.
Ford Trans
>>711660507
There's so much established literature and educational material out there that most people who claim to "know" C++ probably are thinking of C++ as it was implemented back in the 90s.
>>711655038
Huh ?
What is Mono ?
>>711658450
>Lua
>Come at me faglords
a game scripting language, big wow
>>711658450
Is that even a language ? You just use hooks to call external methods in a C-Style syntax. Big wow.
>>711655561
.NET Core isn't Mono, it's a new slimmed down version of .NET that Microsoft has made available as free software.
>>711656151
>>711657861
Ctrl-F LISP
Also Haskell
>>711659960
Truth
Fortran is life
>>711661707
>>711661326
What do you do with LISP? Not shitposting, legitimately curious what it's actually used for beyond academic discourse.
Because the core language of C++ is backwards compatible with C it restricts C++ from ever growing or changing the core language so that every new feature has to be implemented in templates which is just a seach and replace of code. Any C programmer will tell you that implementing things in macros turns to shit, yet C++ programmers brag about it and somehow think they are getting efficiency from it because they really dont know how these templates are implemented and are just blindly using generated code
>>711662040
>curious what it's actually used for beyond academic discourse
http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html
>>711652276
The best programming language is the best one to achieve the task at hand. If I had to automate a task once, I wouldn't compile a C++ program to achieve it, I'd use python or bash. I wouldn't build a website with C++ either. Of it needs to run on multiple platforms, java would be the way to go.
Assuming one language is the best at everything just proves that you know fuck all about programming
>>711661863
https://hardforum.com/threads/i-deep-fried-my-computer-literally.1104341/
Original thread.
>>711652276
Most used is sql, java, javascript.
C++ is my favorite.
Likes of RUST are possible greats in the making.
MATLAB
>>711663253
Matlab is just a java light library. You can import a java class in matlab and call it without any issues.
>>711652276
INSTALL GENTOO
>>711652276
the best c++ is golang
Future programmer here
Any suggestions on what languages to start?
Any kind of skills i should have?
ive got an alevel coursework thing should i use C++ or C#? i already know C++ but i think id be better off leaarning c#. how different are they
>>711665092
I suggest to start with Python and once comfortable with it, start picking up new languages
>>711665335
The biggest difference is that C# has automatic garbage collection which means you don't have to manage memory. In C++ you are responsible for allocating/deallocating memory and failure to do so will lead to memory leaks. Although after c++11 most of this is handled "automatically" if you stick with RAII and don't use new/delete
>>711654222
>witch
Is your name Jeff?
>>711662111
The difference is that in C++ you are not using custom macros that can lead to unreadable code, or you CAN use macros but usually you shouldn't. C practically requires you to use macros if you don't want to copy-paste stuff
>>711665594
That's unsuitable for realtime environments. It can start garbage collection when you don't want to. You don't want garbage collection in realtime thread, it will lead to glitches.
>>711665092
Depend if you want to be able to "code some stuff" and then python is fine or if you plan yo make your career out of it. C is I think the best start to become a full stack developper.
>>711665335
C# Is java by microsoft, C++ is C with objects and lots of libraries for industrial stuff.
>>711652276
best for what?
You guys don't know shit, I'm programming with the Binary language, it never failed me yet
>>711666146
I've seen many pass the first programming course in uni and still have trouble understanding for loop. Python makes it easier to understand fundamentals of data types, controlling logic etc. I think after knowing the basics, it's ok to pick up C which requires you to know lower level stuff like memory managing
>>711666146
Yeah i plan to live off it
Any stuff i should know/learn beforehand? (i plan to study software engineering at college then learn languages by myself)
Can anyone explain me why everyone hate PHP?
Depends on what you're programming. If I had to do it all over again, I'd go expert on R or Python. Those are the hip languages and they're pretty new with high paying jobs tied to it. The fact that they're new means if you have 1-2 years experience in it, you're almost a master.
There will be a point where people stop caring about C, the same they do for Cobol, Lisp, VB, and Pascal.
god damn this thread is more active than fucking /g/
>>711666807
I dunno, lol.
>>711666323
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http://factorcode.org/
>>711667053
Yeah but there will always be need for low level language as well as assembly. Might not be C or C++ though
10000 c++ bugs http://www.viva64.com/en/examples/
>>711667740
I guess it's only a meme
>>711654288
godtier
>>711666648
It's mostly logic and math skills you'll need. Problem solving skills and being able to break a problem up into small steps is a valuable skill as well, but these will improve as you learn to program.
As another anon pointed out python is a great language to learn with, try not to focus on the syntax too much as you start but analyse how the code is structured, focus on learning how to program rather than a language and you will be much better off trust me
>>711652276
C++ it's ugly and quite difficult but the upside of learning it is that once you learn it and get the theory behind it, you can learn any other programming language in less than a week.
>>711656453
You have Java fags writing whole classes for their Hello World programs instead of a 3-4 line program.
Xxu <---- this
>>711671382
fucking nailed it.
>>711661707
this meme is garbage. looks like she's writing python
>>711661742
ok please kill me
>>711665092
do you want to be a computer scientist or a code monkey?
>>711671382
edgy 12 y/ old detected
>>711667053
Cobol is far from dead my friend. Every bank is still tied to it unless you can recode proven financial software.
MISC
> add $t1, 14, $a4
>lw $w1, 32 (4)
![Example_Clustering_07[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/608ldia.png "Example_Clustering_07[1].png")
Any Matlab guys here? I majored in math and write fixed income Matlab code for a living.
The best programming language is obviously assembly as it gives the user the most complete control over the hardware.
>>711652276
Om remove what all Idiots here say.
There are no such thing as the one best language.
C++ is the best if you are making a large application, maybe a game that may or may not use a lot of resources.
JAVA may actually be the best language for smaller application as it is much easier to use for programmers and work on multiple platforms.
Every language has it´s pro´s and cons.
>>711671608
Unless you want to translate more that a million to a billion lines of code.
>>711671382
wot
>>711661707
It can be a meditation period, I'm doing such things from time to time, while thinking on something.
Why doesn't this work in my JAVA#.NET?
<pointer>$_var</pointer> := StringToInt(Integer.toString(666))
>>711655419
Can't wait for python 4 when "import braces" finally imports the ability to use braces because Guido finally admits defeat.
>> braces are love
>> braces are life
>>711661742
this has to be satire
>>711661707
My friend took a grad CFD course at UCLA and they were given the first two weeks of the quarter to learn FORTAN on their own. Built in real multidimensional arrays are still useful.
>>711671954
NUHUH GIRLS CAN CODE TOO YOU WORTHLESS CISGENDER WHITE MALE
>>711652276
There is no "best" programming language. There are languages that are good for a particular task. Learn lowlevel programming if you want to do anything that allows you to take advantage of everything at the metal. Otherwise just stick with a highlevel language like python that gives arbitrary number precision without having to load in pay-to-play libraries
>>711652276
C++?
You mean C for babies?
>>711671796
(Thus it's erotic picture).
Is there a way to learn IBM Mainframe Coding and not just COBOL? I want to switch careers, but want to do something recent grads have no interest in - COBOL IBM coding. This is all I can find:
http://www.hercules-390.org/
Where is the love for vrml?
>>711653181
This guy gets it.
can we all agree that javascript is the future
>>711653449
Yes because if ms does it, must be best choice. Good logic.
>>711652864
Gtfo functional languages suck for anything practical
>>711655256
No shit asshole. That does not mean we cannot argue about it. Just like tabs vs spaces. Always tabs is better!
>>711655544
Yeah as you have the right vm. And don't mind memory leaks and fucking shit garbage collection.
>>711652276
there are three categories of imperative programming languages:
- bare metal, like assembler, C and C++ (the less metal, the more gay: C++ is gay)
- gay pop, like Java, Swift, Go, Python, where the compiler decides what you actually want, and how and when
- classic Renaissance, like Rust, where you get what you fucking want but you can't cheat like C, can't sperg out like Python, can't babble like Java, can't diarrhea like C++.
>>711656283
Fuck you and your nonsense answer. Only of you have the right vm, right version, and other shit. The vm paradigm is the worst part of that shit language.
Noone yet mentioned the king of the programming languages: Ruby
>>711656542
Don't change anything.
>>711673117
> likes a weeaboo language
> posting on 4chan
checks out
>>711657353
No because tabs should not be a valid delimiter.
>>711653181
P O O I N L O O
O
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>>711657353
It's very far from there, but I can say it's like modern BASIC replacement, a good language to code for non-programmers.
Fuck u all bitches. I am Cloe of Ninna gitchy
>>711671954
It is fake.
>>711673534
fake nudities
>>711673433
there's a fuckin' load of Basic replacements:
- python
- swift
- c#
- java
- go
- javascript
- visual basic (!!!)
>>711652276
>/g/
>/g/
>/g/
>/g/
Come on guys, we all know the best language is Ada
>>711673741
Not the JS at least. You will stick in the mood before get something resultative from it. Python will support your weight much longer before turning into unreadable unsupportable mess. You can even write a simple console program using it.
>>711665092
basic plain C to start with, then whatever else will be easy to master.
Python is easier to learn but everything else will need to be learnt from scratch later on
>>711671674
>Any Matlab guys here?
Mathematica is love
RegionPlot[x^2+(y-(2(x^2+Abs[x]-6))/(3(x^2+Abs[x]+2)))^2<36,{x,-6,6},{y,-8,6}]
>>711666807
>Can anyone explain me why everyone hate PHP?
One word: MtGox
>>711674177
>Python
>Easy because its babies first programming language, meant for retards who dont actually intend to program seriously.
Dont even acknowledge its existence, maybe it'll go away.
>>711674328
Another word: FaceBook
>>711674022
Did not tried it, but Pascal is strong.
>>711652276
I don't like C++ because it tries to act like it's more advanced brothers like java, javascript, C#, etc.
C++ is just an advanced version of C like this guy points out >>711655718
But the best argument is that there is no better language to program, it all depends on what you want to do and what is easier for that >>711657622
All languages are just an abstraction to avoid writing 1's and 0's all the time
Personally i use Java, but it's not because i'm lazy, it's because it's easy to use debbugers and has a bigger market
But like most people point out, all java co-workers i had are just dumb fuck copy pasta idiots that can't do a simple task, but thats not the problem with the language, it's in people
>>711661316
And it's documentation has gone to shit. Enjoy finding project configuration tips in the bottom of closed bug reports when people wonder why an option does the exact opposite to what it sounds like it does.
>>711674664
Ada is influenced by Pascal, along other languages
>>711673258
fucking this
>>711675526
Vice versa, Ada is older than Pascal.
6 hour thread wtf
>>711654288
>coding for win
>>711652276
who gives a shit, coding is gay as fuck. Networking is where it's at faggots.
>>711676194
I thought Pascal was older than Ada
all these programming 101 scrubs
time to recognize the future, children. javascript is your life now
>>711652276
Idk about the best language, but what I use the most and what gets me the most done is bash. Fucking love that shit.
>>711674664
it was "strong" in early 80's.
you needed it to write apps for MacOS.
>>711675526
>>711676194
Ada is as old as Cobol. "Old" means that only some legacy dinosaur in the world requires it.
Modula-2 and Modula-3 never got the attention they deserved... and just died.
>>711677608
there will never be an universal language
js is good for browser application and some other stuff, but for dealing with databases, gamming, and communicating with older infrastructures you simply can't use it
>>711655095
0/7
>>711677864
> don't know about tp/delphi
Because pointers are so awesome!
>>711672841
>Using languages that don't treat functions as first class objects in 2016
LUL
>>711678832
we aren't anymore in MSDOS times, you old geezer.
LUA, throw your hate at me.
