California will secede and will not relocate. We will accept all unarmed immigration and visitation from the US. There will be no need for a civil war as anyone who wishes to challenge our secession is welcome to visit and discuss the matter peacefully.
Yeah, you can't exactly secede from the union. Trust me, as a southern boy from. Tampa, Florida, that isn't how it works. Does 1861 ring a bell?
>>711244424
We can now that Trump is president. No one from overseas will stop us, everyone hates that guy.
Hillary won the popular vote so if it does come down to war we and our allies will be greater in number
>PREPARE BOAT
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> will be no need for a civil war
> discuss the matter peacefully
Hate to bring it to you, but you have no idea how war works. You are not to decide if war or discussion will take place.
Also, fuck you! I want to remain in the union and make this state red as well.
top kek
>prepare boat fgts
>>711244131
maybe we should just flatten cali and rebuild it not to be a faggot hellhole
choo choo look at them go
>>711244681
Ummm except Russia?? Putin doesn't hate Trump, and have fun going against him and Putin.
>>711244131
http://www.yescalifornia.org/volunteer
>>711244681
>our allies
what allies? You live in a STATE, there is no such thing as 'allies'.
>>711245656
everyone who voted hillary obviously
>>711244131
Lol k bye. Cali's a shithole anyway
>>711244424
we will rise again, Volusia bro here
>>711245560
>>711245560
Go hear to sign the petition.
>boat
>>711245950
haha what the fuck ponies
>>711244681
Have fun with that , you silly faggot. While slightly outnumbered, i assure you that superior firepower will be on our side
>>711244131
This happens every election.
>>711246161
your firepower may be superior but we're the ones with the giant robots
>>711246411
More like giant sperglords....Jesus that shithole needs to fall into the ocean already
>>711244131
California cant legally secede. The constitution was drafted in such a way that states couldnt leave the federation
>>711246685
the constitution is only valid in the US
if california secedes it will not be in the US
>>711246873
>logic
>>711246873
I know you are baiting, but this is literally the mentality of every Hillary supporter
>>711244131
Awesome, even more people for Trump to put to work. We'll build a wall there, too.
>>711244131
Have fun when we turn your water off. You have no military, no federal spending, your taxes will jump through the roof just to keep the red lights on. You have no idea how fucking stupid this comment is.
>>711247311
we'll build it first and trump will pay for it
>>711247244
i am indeed baiting but i'm also a hillary supporter and this is what i genuinely believe, just presented in a sillier and more extreme light than that in which i actually believe it
>>711244681
Good luck with that. States will never be allowed to succeed. Texas tried and lost. That was the biggest try to date. Get over the loss, you loser.
Fuck you hippie communists.
You know, if you look at the voting map, Northern California was red.
Fuck Southern Cali. This place sucks anyway. I'm tired of all the hate for being Republican.
What's worse is when I mention I'm Republican to a Democrat in conversation, they resort to calling me a gook.
I'm Asian, yes, but my grandfathers fought for this country in WWII.
As far as I know, I am American.
>>711247363
>Have fun when we turn your water off.
we're a coastal state
>no military
giant robots
>no federal funding
we have an abundance of natural resources and free higher education
these are the ingredients necessary to create one's own practical value independent of funds
>>711244681
>Hillary won the popular vote
Lmao at all the salty libshits who keep saying this. They haven't even finished counting the votes and he's the projected winner as well.
Cry more, faggot.
>>711247977
Oh shit. This guy must be smoking meth or something.
You know you can't drink salt water right?
>>711248136
we have UCSC working on that right now
>commiefornia secedes
>all the farmers defect to the US
>US promptly invades and steamrolls the starving cuckifornians
sounds good
>>711248212
You know the cost of doing such a thing?
Look... Trump is the president. That's it.
Mexico would gladly accept Alta California again.
>>711248395
>cost
do you even realize how much natural resources we have
>>711244131
why don't you just leave and go to canada? oh they don't want you either. How about go back to mexico?
California consumes an inordinate amount of federal "welfare" and subsidies. California doesn't even have water. California has a massive population of unemployed illegals, unemployable transqueerotherkincapitalismisevilkins, and no real industry outside of the very small populationwise that make up the technology sector. (I know agriculture is important, but your crops are all harvest with automation/illegal immigrant slavery - there's few jobs there)
Good luck on your own. Honestly, it'll be a burden lifted from the rest of us.
>>711248498
But you don't have the most important one - water. If desalination was affordable, you would've already done it. How are you then going to do it without federal help?
>>711248772
like i said ucsc is working on that
>>711248649
You have no idea what you're talking about.
Idiots en mass. Don't speak for all of California. Ffs.
>>711248979
What is there to work on? We already understand the principals of making water potable. There's whole billion dollar industries with engineers and scientists that know all of the pricing and environmental factors of it. Desalination plants already exist. Water treatment cents already exist.
Pleeease tell me they accepted grant money to fund a "research" team to "study" the price points of desalination lol. That would be the most Californian thing I could think of.
>>711249677
nope we're coming up with a new inexpensive way of doing it
>>711249000
I suppose I forgot the entertainment sector. Do you think it'll produce enough taxes for your welfare state?
Literally everything I posted was a fact. You stating "no", doesn't make it true.
>>711249881
cite sources
>>711244131
>Calfornia secedes
>Mexico invades california and retake their stolen land
>Kill all faggots and homos
>Mexicans move in
>>711249925
why
>>711244131
>Independent Nation
>No weapons
We'll have you back within the year.
Reminds me of all the liberals on my Facebook.
Regularly and consistently post anti-war, anti-gun propaganda, complain about how easy it is to obtain firearms and why anyone would need them.
>Trump wins
Liberals are going suddenly violently revolt and take over the country.
Literally everyone who actually has the power to do that voted Trump.
When will the chillins sit the fuck down?
>>711250067
>no weapons
wat
>>711244131
>you speak for California
>>711244681
If Texas couldn't do it with Obama care, you libcucks can't do shit.
>>711244131
don't let the door hit your ass on the way out California.
>>711250140
we're a coastal state
even if we can't work it out to defend / keep the land, literally all we have to do is make a shit ton of boats
no one outside the state ever even has to know about it until it's too late
I hope you like the taste of hydrogen.
>>711250012
Because this is how reasonable well rounded debates work. Lefties don't understand facts and sources I guess?
Because if a college thinks it can do something that billion dollar industries and countries all across the world have been attempting to do since literally the dawn of time, I would very much be interested in learning about it. Because water is what makes or breaks civilizations, and I consider myself pretty knowledgeable on public infrastructure and the physics principals of water purification.
>>711250492
>Hey, John, good thing we got our pay raises since our boys aren't fighting in Syria anymore
>Yep
>Hey, have ypu noticed that there's been a lot more activity in the ports and shipyards than usual?
>Yeah that's kind of weird, let's go check it out.
>>711250803
>Hey, John, good thing we got our pay raises since our boys aren't fighting in Syria anymore
>Yep
>Hey look there's absolutely nothing unusual going on at the ports and shipyards
>Well let's go check it out anyway
[they check it out]
>hey look no one's here
>cool
[they check it out]
>hey look no one's anywhere
>also why are there boats on the distant horizon that appear to have departed from somewhere that was not a port
>>711244131
No, I want to go to war with you.
I would love seeing the faces of smug ass Californians when the US Army kicks down their doors and forces them into the streets, to be rounded up and shot in the head
>>711251555
This.
>>711251242
May I ask how you plan on hiding something the size of a fucking freighter and how you plan to stop the national guard?
>>711244131
Please for God's sake leave. We don't want to shoulder your enormous deficit anymore
>>711249990
I can live with that
>>711251555
yeah but what about when we get on the boats and leave and sail to the UK and plot with them to remove trump from office and the US will be excluded from all such discussion and then well
>>711251836
You should call yourself an extremist so I can legally kill you for being a terrorist.
>>711251771
no you may not because you are obviously not on our side
>>711251979
Great, so you don't have a plan to. Nice to know this is all one big hoax.
>>711251959
but i'm not an extremist
i'm a moderate leftist
i'm not even that far left, most people i know who live here are much farther left leaning than i am and believe many things i disagree with but respect
the extremists are not me but the rest of the country
at least, they are NOW. they weren't before tuesday
>>711249990
>Trump invades
>starts American Mexican war part 2 >decides to finish the second war
>take over all of Mexico
>Build the wall anyways
>>711252072
if this were all one big hoax then yescalifornia.org wouldn't exist
>>711247566
Texas didn't try and lose retard. The Texas republic asked to join the fucking union for better security agsisnt another war with Mexico.
>>711252436
>Trump invades
>finds no one
>>711250492
Are you autistic America would know immediately Wed either have spies or Trump gets this phone call
>Hey Trump
>Sup putin
>Yo California's building alot of boats
>Oh bro if they try to leave can you sink them
>Can do man
>>711251836
Let's assume you're taking this literally. So you want to sail from California to the UK which is basically across the Earth. Where are you going to get the resources to mobilize all of California? Let's not forget your massive fucking state has the most electoral college votes out of every other state which means there is a massive population. Do you really think the UK will recognize you as anything other than a group of disillusioned idiots who don't support Democracy?
>>711251836
And pray tell how are they gonna get past japan China Russia the American navy to get to the uk
>>711252265
You should still probably consider suicide
>>711252442
You are a joke, your movement is a joke, and you will not secede. Nor You nor your movement are in any position to decide wether or not there will be peaceful mediation. You cannot say "California is no longer part of the united States" defy the will of the federal government, and then not expect the worst violent retaliation from the government, but most of all, your fellow citizens in all of history. Spies are everywhere, and everything you own, EVERYTHING is capable of being listened into.
>>711252506
>Gets call from Japan
>Dude we caught these faggots on boats they say they're from California
>>711252640
>So you want to sail from California to the UK which is basically across the Earth
yes
>Where are you going to get the resources to mobilize all of California?
California
>Let's not forget your massive fucking state has the most electoral college votes out of every other state which means there is a massive population. Do you really think the UK will recognize you as anything other than a group of disillusioned idiots who don't support Democracy?
the queen of england literally offered to repossess the states to save us from donald trump
i would say we'll be right at home
>>711244131
>secede
Is that what theyre calling falling into the ocean now a days?
>>711252989
>The queen of England
>Having power pick one
You also haven't told us how you plan to get there
>>711253076
boat
>>711244131
Oh god please, please let this happen but you got to take ALL libs!
>>711253112
So you plan to sail all the way there past the middle East past japan past Africa past the American coast to get to the uk
>>711252989
Cali can't even get themselves out of a fucking drought how the fuck are they gonna mobilize the entire population?
>>711253269
different materials
we have a shit ton of basically everything else
>hey trump, sup dude, good to be talking to you again
>Oh, hey Putin, what's going on man?
>Hey our subs and cruisers just noticed there's a LOT of unregistered seagoing vessels without apparent authorization going around here, we've tried radio comms with them, they're not saying anything, Japan is probably gonna call you soon also, everyone's pretty suspicious at this freight fleet that came out of fucking nowhere, they say they're from californiaa or something but apparently they have no idea how to properly operate this vessel, they almost ran into one of our carriers, we've got these new high speed torpedoes we've been wanting to try out, can we sink 'em?
>Sure man
>Kthxbai
>>711253254
yes
>hey trump
>it's california
>we want to secede
>we won't need any guns for the seccession war that will follow, so you can keep all those
>in fact, now that we don't have any guns, why don't we talk this out peacefully instead?
>remember donald, we won the popular vote so all our gun-control supporting allies in the other states will come to the streets as well
>you can't jail them, even if they support treason, since they're unarmed, right?
>besides, it isn't really treason since we won't be a part of the us any more, so all previous law is irrelevant anyway
>we'll unleash the eva-1 on you if you try anything
>we know we don't have any drinking water, but the ucsc is working on that, i swear
>we'll just drink our own tears in the meanwhile
>but seriously, even if a civil war breaks out (and it wouldn't even be a civil war, since we wouldn't be a part of the us any more), we can just build boats and sail to the sea
>we'll live off of fish and conduct our desalination research on mark ruffalo's yacht
>the satellites are too slow to catch our exodus and no one else will notice until it's too late, either
>you can't even get to us on the open sea, it's international waters!
>mfw
>>711253423
>different materials
Bitch look you need to really think about this. That is a fuck ton of open sea you're crossing. Count the dangers yourself you'll never make it to the UK. Also not counting the fact you're on the national power grid what will power these boat making factories?
>>711252947
Kek
>>711253468
How do you plan to get past the Americans in japan or the pirates of Africa or the Americans on the east coast
>>711253613
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because we support gun control somehow means we have no guns
>>711253460
>Kthxbai
Kek
>>711253848
>factories
bitch please
>>711253964
You don't have as powerful of guns so yes you're fucked
>>711244131
Cant wait for this to happen.
No army, no guns, no CIA. Would be such easy pickings for terrorists.
>>711254126
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because we support gun control somehow means our guns aren't as powerful
>>711254091
You plan to sail to the uk in that
>>711254210
>Military with assault rifles
>Californians with no assault rifles
Fucked
>>711254091
Bitch please I want you to calculate how many hours it takes yo build one of those then multiply that by how many people live in Cali and want to leave.
>>711254327
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because we support gun control somehow means we have no assault rifles
>>711254437
So californias laws are ridiculous conservative mindsets intresting
>>711248649
5th largest global gdp. no economy. pick one
>>711253964
clearly i was overplaying it for the purpose of satire, but you can't deny that "giant robots" and "ucsc is working on it", not to mention the boat thing are all pretty ridiculous
i mean, you can, but if you genuinely believe yourself while saying those things then you're retarded
>>711254572
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because we support gun control somehow means we have laws
>>711254581
Do you really think they'd still have that without the us
>>711254437
>>711254210
>>711254091
PLEASE TELL ME THIS IS SOME KIND OF JOKE
HAAAAHAHAHHAHAHAAAAAAHAAA
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
>>711254593
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because we support gun control somehow means you do not understand my ridiculous liberal mindset
>>711254624
I do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that because i have a mind I support conservative law control guns
>>711254624
i gotta hand it to you, i actually fell for your first post, this is some top-tier bait
>>711254803
i am in fact actually a liberal and will stand by my beliefs and defend them against trump's presidency
so yes, the part about me being a liberal was real
the rest is bait as you have astutely observed
>>711244681
1. You have no allies
2. Outnumbered means nothing when you fags don't have guns.
1 M60 mmg>the entire STATE of Cuckifornia
>>711244131
>if only...
Please do!
>>711252470
Yeah your wrong, he's talking about earlier this year not two centuries ago.
>>711255027
1. hillary supporters
2. we have guns
3. boat
>>711254661
yes they would. Most economic experts agree, if cali opted out, itd be huge for their economy and the us would be fucked.
>>711255129
When we say allies we mean people outside of the us dumbass
>>711255225
i was the one who said allies first in this conversation so i arbitrate its meaning as far as this conversation is concerned
besides, we do indeed have international allies
the rest of the world hates trump
>>711255160
How the fuck would Californias economy survive without America theud be as fucked as America
>>711255126
Anon who posted this will not even understand...
>pic related
>>711255373
Do you honestly think those countries that hate Trump would risk war with Russia and America just for Californians you have nothing to offer them
>>711255225
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because people outside the us don't support us somehow means we have no allies inside the us
>>711255129
1. Okay, sure, but have fun getting away from putin on a wooden raft
2. No, you don't https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
3. Yeah, how do you expect to slip past some of the most advanced sonar technology in the world on subs and heavy cruisers, and at the same time, go unnoticed by satellites watched 24/7, the coast guard, the national guard, the Marines, the Russian military, not to mention the horrible winds and weather out on the ocean on a piddly little wooden craft, go unnoticed by any of the feds, What you are saying is basically fucking impossibru. And ESPECIALLY now in particular the rest of us are watching you like hawks.
>>711255373
>Rest of the world hates trump
Putin fucking loves him.
>>711255373
No you don't get to decide what ally means just cause you started the conversation
>>711255551
starbucks
>>711253613
>we'll just drink our own tears in the meanwhile
kek
>>711255638
If he mentioned attacking the us then we would talk about allies in the us but he said they're gonna sail to the uk so international allies are more important then us allies
>>711255721
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because putin loves trump somehow means the rest of the world doesn't hate him
>>711255916
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>>711255758
>>711255551
They may have a tiny speck of weed left!
Up here in WA, we got loads of it, but we aren't as cucked as Calitards.
>fall into the ocean already, please, California!?!!
>>711255916
Considering the us is the most powerful nation and Russia is the second the rest of the world really doesn't matter
>>711255374
international trade ports, acess to china, india and south american trade, huge expanses of factories, independent credit rating , ability to negotiat own trade agreements, i mean it goes on and on and on. it could survive as its own country. would the economy be shaky to start? sure. but it'd bounce back real quick
>>711255758
>Starbucks.
Also, WA State.
>>711256030
Europe doesn't need Cali weed they can just head for the red light district
>>711256117
You keep talking about these ports and ships but you keep forgetting to acknowledge the military prowess which the united States possesses.
>>711256058
i do not understand this ridiculous conservative mindset that just because the us is the most powerful country in the world and russia the second most powerful somehow means that the rest of the world really doesn't matter
>>711255374
massive food output, largest developing tech sector. hollywood.
>>711256117
See but all that implies the us let's you do bussiness
>>711256167
As though we were itching to share with you!
>>711256270
>Hollywood
Do you really think the film industry would stay with succeded Cali theyll proably move to new York or some shit
>>711244131
>secede
Good luck with that
>>711256225
that has nothing to do with their economy? muh "blockades"? one call to china and those blockades are gone.
the question was on their economic viability without the us. answer= incredibly viable.
>>711244131
>Seceding from the us
>Not forming the new California republic
Pick one
>>711256450
>One call to China and those blockades are gone
One call to Russia and China is gone.
Wonderful idea! Just leave, you'll not be missed....
>>711244131
thats when the us bombs the border and california will sink
>>711256403
holllywood would stay there because as one of the large earners, they'd negotiate baller new tax rates and all of their stuff is already there with no need to build new multi billion dollar studios. you really don't fucking think much do ya fag?
>>711256403
>succeded Cali
>succeded
Not likely.
Perhaps...
>suck-seeded!
>>711244131
>peacefully
Even though the woman which has recieved your support is a massive war mongerer.
>>711256615
Kek!
>>711256564
china and russia are tighter than ever. does not trading in us backed petro dollar mean anything to you? they are making bilateral trade agreements in gold backed currencies, and not making use of us dollar as an intermidiary. you're also vastly overthinking and overconfident in our current relations with russia, and russia being able to take china in a flat war.
>>711244131
How would this mythical country protect itself from invasion, exploitation, and lawlessness?
Sorry, not going to happen.
>>711256849
So... Bitcoin?
>>711244681
The military are mostly pro-Trump, liberals can't into real fucking warfare.
>>711244131
And as soon as the first earthquake hits im sure youll be begging for aid from the USA. Pay your taxes and deal with a republican president you fucking coddled faggots
>>711256958
Underrated post.
Look at how Bitcoin is faring now!
>>711251836
You can't hid a freighter big enough that can hold all the food that the land whale sjws who inhabit California need.
this is the best thread on this board right now
>>711256958
china's yuan (whatever the fuck its called) and russias rubel are gold backed currency. they just negotiate their own exchange rate instead of using the dollar as a median.
>>711244131
Terrible bait.
Try harder bub.
>>711257075
As though that is saying anything.
>trap thread much?
>>711256520
Finally I can conquer the land known as California
>>711255519
Your right waste of time.
>>711247550
>claims to be baiting
>claims that bait is genuine belief
This is the tippity toppest tier bait ever
>>711257099
This is, unfortunately, not true.
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/is-china-backing-the-yuan-with-gold/6108
>it's called the Renminbi, btw
>>711257560
Well, its dubs. So yes it is true.
>>711257560
Thanks, anon.
It looks like that may have shut down the California idiocracy for a minute!
Weird how some folks don't know how currency works. Even weirder when folks don't know how their own government works, how the economy works, etc...
>if only gold backed securities were 'real'!
Protip: they are not.
If they were, my gold and silver would be worth a hell of a lot more than iris now!
>guess I'll just keep investing in guns
Thanks, California!
>>711258562
>iris
it is
Thank Eris!
>>711258762
>Thanks, Eris
You are welcome!
>>711259054
Hail Eris!
>>711259295
All Hail Discordia!
>>711247977
>giants robots
American Mecha Civil War when?
>>711259457
>KALLISTI
Theres literally a piece of legislation preventing secession dumbshit. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_v._White
The only way for this to work is if we had a second civil war.
>>711244131
If you take all the illegals and the BLMs, you're welcome to leave! Have fun.
>>711260305
>The only way for this to work is if we had a second civil war.
It might be worth it to get rid of California!
>>711260555
Trips Speaks Ultimate Truth.
>>711260555
Trips has spoken. Cali GTFO. We're taking In 'N' Out too.
>>711247822
Thanks
Your people are the ones democrats forgot, the democrats never speak of the asian minority, they never worry about it, all they care for is the black minority, the muslim minority, and the LGBT minorities. Thanks man, your a good person. Godspeed friend.
im in california and i will shoot anybody who tries to secede
>>711244131
>hilary only won cali by 2m votes
>>711256615
Cuck-ceded
>tfw Trump becomes tight with Mexico and calis have to fight Mexicans who are tired of sjw faggots.
>MFW Trump builds the wall and mexicans work on it to keep dumb liberals you
>mfw the cartel kidnaps liberal college kids and tortures them
>>711260842
Good man, my /b/ro!
>would smoke a bowl with you anytime.
>>711245692
You'll get, maybe, 30k people. Everyone else is not like the crying cuck-fucks at her rally, or the protesting basement dwellers. They're going to stay right where they are, and be happy with what they know.
The delusion is strong with this one.
>>711261011
Next time, dubs, show a mfw image.
>here, I will help
Not counting the police and military (that are probably mostly Pro Trump). The sides (American only)
Trump side
>More guns
>More land
>Not pussy kids and wouldn't know how to fight.
Vs
>Rednecks who are out and not faggots
>Normal everyday gun owners who probably have a dozen+ guns each
>Older people who farm/mine and know how to deal with hardship
Your pitting people who probably couldn't kill a dead horse vs people who would be taming the horse.
>>711261768
>city-dweller spotted.
Sorry... You're gonna die.
Water imports are going to be killer!
>>711244131
I know this is bait, but i can guarnfuckingtee you that jefferson and central California (which produces around 3/4 of the state's agribusiness ) will have no part of secession. Enjoy starving gayareafags and socalfags and having no weapons to protect yourself with
I love how these idiots think we're just going to let them stroll away with Texas or California. Like it's just that easy.
You hippy faggots, have you MET our military? The only talk will be "Are you going to behave, or do we have to start shooting you?"
Do you know how many people died the last time part of the country tried to secede? We'd rather kill hundreds of thousands of people than lose a patch of land. We would exterminate your entire state and then fund a program to repopulate it with loyalists before we allowed a state to just walk out.
>>711244681
Other countries will not interfere with our internal strife. The same reason we didn't get involved with Turkey. It's not our/their problem. That's not how global politics works. try again.
>>711249904
>You stating "no", doesn't make it true.
I think this is the number one cognitive dissonance that is the root of all Liberal garbage.
They think it, they say it, and they act like they just built the fucking hoover dam.
It extends into our politicians that think just because they wrote it on paper that people will automatically flock to be obedient to the will of someone else that is likely breaking that law as soon as the president signs it.
This points to a giant troublesome logic fault. It strongly suggest that these people simply do not know how to think.
>>711252436
cont.
>Moves all niggers, mexicans, and homo's to
>mexico. Problem solved.
>>711253613
>Trump proceeds to bait the ocean with food.
>Then sink everyone's boat and let the sharks
>feed.
one thing that needs to happen for the human race to thrive - all of it - is "seperate but equal" ... put every group that is radically different from another in its own little sandbox and just visit each other from time to time.
We've been trying to do this shit for centuries where we all coexist on the same street and it hasn't worked yet, and won't be working anytime soon, because humans are not programed to be neighbors will people they are drastically different from.
As soon as we accept that people are different, and allow yourselves to separate, the sooner we can focus on other things.
>>711253460
Why haven't you said anything about this op?
>>711254091
You guys are having an argument with an over-sheltered 16 year old.
>>711244131
if California secedes wouldn't that mean a permanent republican victor in every election?
>>711254341
might only take 2 to fill that order
>>711255551
Plenty of countries would support California just to fuck with the US. Proxy wars happen everyday.
>>711264663
Pffft countries interfere with each other all the time. Are you retarded?
