Why do libs assume so much?
Personally I think it's because they are so insecure that they think everyone wants the same thing as every other individual because all libs want is acceptance
Oh little baby
It's actually because republicans have been lying for over 50 years to draw in racists and religious bigots and use the unthinking majority so that they can deregulate and hoard money for themselves.
>>710730488
So you are assuming libs take extra precaution because of repubs track record
What if i told u repubs think the same of libs
What if i told it doesn't matter what party you are with because politics is not a fucking party its politics and you all who think repub has better values than libs and vice versa are all SLAVES
liberals are dumbfucks that are gullible to trust government with power and money.
government is corrupt, government loses, squanders and steals money - we all know this - yet it is liberals, progressives and socialists that are the only people dumb enough to want to give it more responsibility, more money and more power.
kill yourself.
Whenever I see the word "libs" or "Libbie" being used by someone I know they never had an original thought in their lives. Just being a good little parrot is all you are
>>710730316
I consider myself somewhere between conservative and classical liberal, and one thing I wish would happen is the reasonable, rational liberals would try and take back the party from the wild leftist SJW "everything offends me" jerks that have done nothing but be 1 part that created a huge gap between right and left. The "alt right" being the other part, and spawned in response to them. Guys like Dave Ruben make me have some faith that those kinds of liberals still exist out there.
>>710731305
Just keeeeeep assuming dumb ass
You're stupid and probably a naive college child if you give government permission to take more of your tax money. Government only wastes, loses or steals money.
>>710731279
Op here this is true
Oh btw if repubs didn't exist, libs won't be able to survive because they are leeches and repubs are hill billies
Op here
People think government is hard lol
>>710731949
I agree with you anon
>>710731279
Yes because corporations are so fair, all they want is to sell you less for more, which is fine no need to regulate that! Look at the state of the American internet and television and tell me you want corporations to rule the world :')
>>710731949
go to somalia then you fucking retard
Op here
Government is easy. Giving them money is like flushing it down the toilet and expecting 'free shit' in the mail for it.
>>710732113
This fucking retard trust the government to spend his money wisely more than he trust himself, despite past performance.
Retarded loser. Kill yourself.
Will Mike Pence try to jail gays again?
Will Mike pence step his game if he will be inside the white house and also ban lolis?
>>710731596
See you are too smart to choose from two options that don't belong
Keep up the good progress man and spread that unconditional love
>>710732230
everyone knows democrats lie about everything. haven't you seen wikileaks?
if you're seeing someone talk shit on trump or pence, its likely a democrat and as we all know, democrats are stupid degenerate liars.
>>710730316
test
>>710732313
I've seen wikileaks, they don't lie about everything. they lie sometimes
in contrast trump is a legit pathological liar
This video shows trump lying 250 times during this campaign
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmne8r2sIFA
>>710732113
Go slave somewhere else pussy
>>710732103
this
>>710732347
Guys, just go to youtube and watch "Clinton Cash" to see what retarded democrats want running the country.
Basically, Hillery is Bernie Madoff and they're all rallying to get their "free shit" that the government has to steal from you to get.
Don't trust these hilltards, they've lied about everything, they employ media personalities to lie as documented in the wikileaks, they paid people to start violence at Trump rallies as documented on video by Profject Veriftas and they want Hillary to go to poor nations and fleece them during natural disasters as documented in Clinton Cash.
Only the stupid and gullible would ever do anything to allow Hillary to have any power at all.
>>710732116
Hey you're not op im op you liar
I actually agree with your statement though because the more money lost
The more demand for loans
Did you know the gov and the bank are working together to milk you slave
Nah probably not dipshit
>>710730970
yjust bc both sides are puppets of the wealthy and have their fair share of trolls doesnt mean nothing can change. clearly things can still get done. so there is some merit in voting for one side over the other based on what you think they will realistically accomplish.
major change, like redistributing wealth fairly/paying for actual work to be done instead of parasite owners, can only be accomplished through electing someone who isnt a rich puppet. but there are none of such candidates bc it requires money to advertise.
the difference is that liberals are far more conducive to real change. they are the ones who would fight for it while the conservatives are the obstructionists, racists, etc. the really dumb constituents who only vote based on what the sheriff of their broken down rural tells them to are conservatives. they lack the vision and societal awareness for a realistic change, they are stuck on being butthurt that their factory shut down, or black people are noisy to ever vote for real change. they just vote against the commie nigger loving liberals. thats a stark difference from the liberals who are much more open to discussion. and drspite what 4chan memes believe, there are very few serious "everything is racist!##" liberals.
>>710730316
Liberals have Stockholm syndrome. The government creates problems and the Liberals answer is more government.
>>710732331
Ooooooop you got it
>>710732103
This is what democrats do, this is called a strawman argument. Noticed I wasn't talking about corporations, I was talking about government and instead of rationally addressing the argument, he injects his preconceived (and likely very ignorant) idea of corporations in a nonsensical attempt to re-direct the conversation.
The left is ACTUALLY retarded and they can't tell because of the dunning kruger effect.
>>710732526
You're a simp. It's much more complex than that.
>>710732495
>hillary is bernie madoff
>hillary is absurdly rich
>despite being absurdly rich, she has to steal
you know none of what you said made sense? and your conspiracy propaganda doesnt fool anyone who already doesnt believe it?
>>710732495
Oh no don't say it man they will come after you hahaha those dogs
>>710730316
Ideologies are stupid. Stop being normies, u hopeless faggots.
>>710732695
You're too stupid to understand basic concepts, your entire decision making process, if you can call it that, is entirely influenced by emotions because you're a whiny little bitch.
You're probably a loser with no money, no woman and got fooled into going into massive debt in exchange for information you could have gotten from google.
You're stupid. Die.
>>710732695
It does when you find out hillary is waaaaaaaay richer than everyone thinks, probably more than 3 trumps
She is a psycopathic occultist that wants slavery
ITT:
> Democrats and Liberals are the same thing.
> All liberals are the same, much in the same way every single Republican is a member of the westboro baptist church.
> and more
You're retarded, but don't worry, I don't think you're retarded because you're a republican or a conservative or whatever, I think you're a retard because you say and probably do retarded things.
I know that's impossible for you to accept though, so just go right ahead and call me libcuck so you don't have to consider the possibility that you might be the problem with your politics.
Wait was that too difficult to underatand? Probably, I was trying to say your politics could be solid as a stone but no one would land on your side because you're a fucking retard and no one wants the retard on their team. <3
>>710732550
Hey man concentrate that energy in a smaller sentance that everyone will understand the main point but exelent work none the less i agree
With your second paragraph
You wanna know who you fix welfare
Food stamps and shelter stamps regulated by tax payers
Its cheeper than feeding an addiction
>>710732602
Hahaha
>>710732632
You know the "state-run-media" absolutely loves trump right?
Here's a thought, Maybe the Media just goes with the mainstream opinion.
>>710732896
Easy.
If you boil these two parties down to their core values.
Republicans respect your property and are against theft.
Democrats are attempting to justify theft by toying with your emotions and exploiting your belief in things you need - insurance, college, welfare, food stamps, affirmative action(racism), no child left behind, refugees, illegal aliens.
Even republicans have parts that I don't agree with but they are, objectively, far superior to democrats. Democrats really should be rounded up, charged with treason and deported or executed.
This is a broad overview. If you're a dumbfuck, you'll likely assume every last person should be accounted for, but im talking about the majority of people in either party. Liberal retards like you would only be satisfied If I spent the next 10 years accounting for every differing opinion, but it is clear that these core beliefs are generally accepted by all on either side.
You're a dumbass, you're desperate to be right, all your friends confirm your bias, but you're dead wrong. And hopefully someday soon it kills you.
>>710733198
not sure if blind and deaf
>>710732674
Is it....
Why do you then resort to simplton responses
Elaborate on why the gov is not taking bribes from banks
>>710732811
Op here
Good reply anon
>>710732550
wealth is redistributed fairly.
you're just stupid and lazy. if anything, your want for regulation and higher taxes prevents your accumulation of wealth.
stupid. we need to raise the voting age to 30
>>710733254
The media talks about him 24/7
Trump gets free publicity and the media gets something to talk about, there both happy
>>710732818
Hey now
Lets not hurt our slave brethren more than we have to
>>710733267
I didn't say the gov is not taking bribes from the banks. Are you schizophrenic? Is there any good reason you're hallucinating? I never said anything like that, yet you seem to think I did. Lets talk about you, are you feeling well?
You're right about the banks. I'm just saying this thing is more complex - and I bet you actually do understand more than I give you credit for.
>>710733353
>wealth is redistributed fairly
Republican or Democratic, are stupid and delusional are you to believe that? The wealth gap is bigger than it has ever been.
>>710732896
Why do you assume and then ask questions because of YOUR assumption
Op here and i understood everything
Go be hip somewhere else slave
And stop excluding retards
>>710733355
Oh you mean fox? Did you look at the state run media? Most of those people are on CNN and MSNBC.
If the media was honest about Trump, Hillary would be at 10% or less. Instead they constantly try to make him look racist or stupid.
>>710733353
>implying that morons don't exist in the 30+ age groups
>implying people over the age of 30 didn't elect Bush
>>710733222
hey now easy
Lets not exclude out brethren from this slave system that makes fight eachother out of emotion
Embrace your fellow slave so he may one live a happy life if his ego will let him
>>710733111
what i mean is that conservatives are less likely to understand who is screwing them. they blame the niggers, the "welfare whores"(despite being on some type of assistance or gov benefit), the socialists and commies, the gov, etc when the rich who use money to construct the society they want are the ones screwing them. this is especially true of rural republicans. the republicans are also the side with religious rule, they are so blinded by issues like bathrooms, they cant see whats going on.
theres a bunch of problems with welfare
1 no check on recipients
2 people have kids to extort welfare money
3 too many jobs dont pay enough to not be on welfare
4 too many on welfare
5 not enough workers
6 the rich who could help the most avoid taxes the most
7 little opportunity for people to get educated in a skill to get off welfare
8 mental illness still isnt taken seriously, its a bitch to get welfare for
and on and on
but the biggest issue is as the rich get richer, the workers suffer. the workers are always getting taxed more and benefits cut so the rich can get ticher and the poor can stay on welfare. thats the problem. we dont have a society encouraging education and productive work, we have a society where the richest people make money by being born into it and collecting paychecks. you dont get fair conpensation for value produced.
>>710731949
you mean all of those wasted roads, bridges, schools, military? or maybe the waste on work place safety, environmental pollution by industry, parks, wildlife, etc?
yeah, what a waste........you fucking nigger
>>710733579
>they constantly try to make him look racist or stupid.
>implying Trump isn't racist
>implying Trump isn't stupid
>>710733530
I run my own business and have 15 employees, I dropped out of high school sophomore year after knocking up my girlfriend. I did a bunch of drugs, wasted a bunch of time, bounced around to a bunch of jobs, never got any help from anyone and still I managed to become more successful than everyone I know.
All of my friends from high school graduated, then most of them went to college. Now they work at starbucks, pizza hut, sell weed or retail. They are probably whining just like you.
It's fair, you just have to work hard and be smart get to wealth. Its probably the last bit of social darwinism we have - unfortunately it's too tame.
You're stupid and unmotivated, that's why you just cry about shit you don't understand in the first place. Go get your shine box.
>>710733222
> republicans are against thievery thats why they haven't been the main source of litigation against mirjuana since the 80s
Lol
>>710733821
Obviously you never checked out the claims that were made against him. He isn't racist, his IQ is 156 and oh yeah, he's a billionaire with over 1000 companies and 10/10 kids.
MFW, a bunch of pimple faced retards calling Trump dumb. You guys don't even know how to tell when someone is racist or not.
Grow up kids.
btw, how many black people do racists usually hang out with? is it a couple hundred?
>>710733222
>no child left behind
>democrats
>>710733961
>russia sweating this hard
>>710730316
You clearly have no clue what a liberal is.
>>710733476
I never said that you said that, im telling you to elaborate on it but thats ur choice you sensitive bitch
Wake up to your mistakes friend so we can solve this problem without you tripping
Its not complex
Banks earn profit from interest on loans
How to you increase your profit
More loans
How do you get people to take on more loans
By not allowing to able to pay the previous ones
>>710734081
lol you kids believe the russia propaganda
>>710733961
IQ of 156
.....he has the biggest brain.....
.....bigly....
I question that IQ score.....
>>710734122
I can tell by what you're writing that if I took the time to explain in detail, which would take pages, it'd be lost on you.
>>710730316
>>710733961
>settled racial discrimination case before guilty verdict has handed down in 1973
>found guilty of racial discrimination in 1992
>b-but he's not racist guise
>You guys don't even know how to tell when someone is racist or not.
>his IQ is 156
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>>710730316
>assumes that liberals are insecure.
wat.
>>710734160
Reagan.
BTW, Presidents aren't responsible for everything that happens while they're in office, many times the results of their actions are realized years after they leave office.
You're a simp. Simply retarded.
>>710733961
>156 iq
>thinks "the gdp is 1% " makes sense
>thinks 1 senator can pass a law
>thinks global warming is a conspiracy
>thinks hillary both created isis 8 years ago and hillary had 30 years to stop isis
>>710733353
Op here
Stop trying to help by just correcting and start by helping to understand why
Thank you
Good work anon
>>710734242
hires black executives, hires shitloads of black people, promotes shitloads of black people, friends with jesse jackson and al sharpton and don king, seen with 100s of black friends
>is racist
and yes, 156
>>710734317
>Reagan
incorrect
>>710734504
he didnt tax the poor, he just cut all their welfare and made them starve/lose their homes
he raised taxes on all the workers who actually contribute to society and lowered them on rich cunts like trump who cause market collapses so they can make money off them
>>710734317
>Reagan
>tripled the Gross Federal Debt, from $900 billion to $2.7 trillion
>increased government spending by 60%
>>710734476
>found guilty of racism
>b-but b-but he's not
I agree.
I used to be a "classical liberal" in high school and joined the crowd of liberals and had fights with so many of them I came to release their obnoxious behavior.
I have less friends now being in California but I feel a lot more principled and self-satisfied as a having some conservative viewpoints.
>>710730488
>racists
Oh boy, its a liberal calling other people racist
Gimme some of those nicknames you're fond of calling your pet blacks when they don't agree with you
At least republicans don't pretend to like blacks
>>710732347
And Clinton lied about never lying to the public, and about the emails, Benghazi, her husband's dozens of sexual assaults she helped hide, etc.
They're politicians.
They will lie, cheat, steal, and kill without remorse because that is how they are.
All of them are like that. Every last one of them isn't worth a damn as a person and should be gone from office for their crimes and are not worthy of being President.
>>710734962
>Benghazi
>>710734962
If I am honest, having petty arguments amongst each other is not gonna change your views. Most people don't give a toss how much you "hate niggers." Now shurrup and get on with your lives.
>>710733682
You know why its unfair for the amount you produce
Its because if scarcity of money because the rich like you said are searching fir more of it and its easier for them to collect because they already have resourses (money etc)
The problem is not people taking advantange of the system
That is our duty to regulate
The biggest problem is... you ready?
BANKS!?!?!! Why?
Is because they own the currency you use and you are wondering where is it all, its with them via tax
Thats why people are afraid to spend their money on workers because they don't have a back up like the rich because when the banks are in control, its harder to build a foundation when you got someone everyweek taking material from you foundation saying you gotta feed the blacks with out money that we created for you to use but don't save it, use it on other people
Make sure to pay us back tho
(With what money, the governments?)
Its all twisted
>>710731279
Very true
>>710735017
>politifact
>left wing biased media as a credible source
H'ok. Can I start using Fox as a credible source then too which shows the exact opposite?
No?
Didn't think so.
They all lie regardless of what a website who supports her claims.
>>710733800
Have you noticed the condition of all those things you just said
And you still think we are putting that money to good use by throwing it at people
Nah man not a waste bro
>>710735189
>>710733844
Op here
The wealth gap is not the issue you right
Good job anon
The real issue is feeding peoples addictions and getting hard workers to pay for it!
Oh yeah FUCK ISLAM!!!! I like mudslines but hate that dumb fear of god that is getting everyone with their panties in a bunch
>>710734081
Hahahahah
No but seriously russia is our friend and not our enemy
>>710735005
>lied to the public about Benghazi being the result of a movie
>withheld Marine intervention when they had reliable intel a few days before the event
>withheld backup from a marine base less than 1 hour away as the attack started
>blames the Republicans for her decisions that helped lead to those deaths
She lied. Her lies got 4 men killed, and helped spur more anti-Islamic sentiment by saying it was due to a movie.
Your crone hag is not a benevolent queen - your delusions of her may be fairytale like, but in the real world she is a piece of shit person who doesn't give 2 fucks about you or anyone else.
Trump is just as bad.
>>710734112
Leaders vs cucks
>>710735522
please remind us of how prosperous N.Korea is. mm yes we should all follow the way of lil' Kim, and have a stagnating economy in a broken country.
>>710734197
Maybe you should look at first what money is(promise in exchange for time)
Then look at how much the gov is destroying and the bank is just sitting there looking because they know the currency aint backed up, thats why they will happily grant you more debt!
>>710735301
>too retarded to realize he just bashed all media for supporting liars
You must be a liberal.
Did you check your brain when you registered to vote, and just forgot to pick it back up because you wouldn't be using it ever again?
>>710734160
You my friend missed the concept of this discussion and thats why you shit posting
Because you're lazy
>>710735494
>implying muslims don't chimp out over shit like this all the time
>what is Charlie Hebdo?
>what is Jyllands-Posten?
>who is Lars Vilks?
>what is Curtis Culwell Center?
>>710733530
>fairly
>>710730316
>why do liberals assume so much
>assumes liberals assume too much
>goes on to make other assumptions about liberals
the fuck are you serious
>>710735494
>>710734536
Booooooooooom
>>710735757
>liberal media
People in the media are well-educated and intelligent. Notice a connection?
>>710735059
banks and the rich are both terrible and need a swift kick in the ass.
the rich dont gain money from doing work. they crash markets and get bailed out. even when they fail in their own capitalistic society, they get bailed out. how many people who cant pay their loans get bailed out? none, the rich get special treatment. trump SHOULD be penniless according to his bankruptcy but he fanagled the tax/divorce laws to maintain money. who pays for that? who pays for the bailouts? taxes from the productive workers. when the rich and poor are both gaining, the workers are losing.
the fact that the banks own money is absolutely ridiculous. they really dont own money but everyone lets them act like they do. what happens when banks fail ?worker tax money bails them out again and again.
the banks gamed the system unfairly and are corrupt af. they should be storage units not money owners. if i store my money at a bank, why should they loan that out? its absurd and all the capitalist assholes love it. capitalism is flawed and the banks exploit it.
the banks are vicious assholes who manipulate the markets so they can get richer. housing market crash is prime example.
they are just absurd in general. interest is really dumb. that interest money has to come from somewhere, and in a huge web economy like america, it comes from the workers
"people afraid to spend money on workers" well theres a bunch of reasons for this. irrational communism fear, american dream delusion, rich owner worship, etc
im not sure what you mean the workers dont have a backup, what do they need a backup for?
i get what youre saying: you gotta pay interest to banks and taxes to welfare etc. its a big mess, theres a lot that needs fixing. banks and the idea of lending money at interest are part of the problem for sure but its deeper than that. the biggest problem is that value is not compensated for fairly.
>>710735494
>whether it was a movie or not doesn't change a thing.
>deploying troops was not her job
>deploying troops was not her job
>no one can or will ever stop crazy
>how in your world does saying it was thr result of a movie get 4 people killed when they were already dead
>>710734766
>Democratic Congress
>>710734676
I can answer number 3.
Its because it's less of a problem for employers to deal with shit workers because they know there are people out there that want to work for less than the minimum wage
Minimum wage is a job killer and an insurance scheme
>>710735955
Did I ever say they didn't? No.
I said she lied about Benghazi's attack reasons to the public when they had intel proving otherwise days beforehand. It was a planned terrorist attack thanks to the lax security. If she had authorized a stronger Marine presence to be moved in just 24 hours prior for security (since they had reliable information on the attack some 4 days before) then likely none of this would have happened.
Hell, even allowing them to move in when they got the call for help could have possibly saved some of them.
She is just as responsible for what happened as the people who decided to cut security which lead to the attack in the first place - republican or democrat.
In this thread anons get really serious and by the end of it they remember they're on the chans and that they've accomplished and changed nothing on any level. Good job anons.
>>710735494
>republican cut protection to foreign ambassadors
>ambassadors die due to less security
>"it was the commie democrats fault!!"
>>710734869
That is fantastic that you display such great confidence in yourself, we need to enlighten our lost brethren that fell victim to this slavery of amnesia to be more like you!
Stay strong anon
We gonna make dat sunshine playa
>>710735059
The real problem is that our dollar is buying less and less these days. The rich will be rich no matter what, even if all the corruption disappeared.
>>710731279
We are the government. It's not a autonomous entity.
>>710736146
So you think Alex Jones is well educated and intelligent too?
What about Milo Yiannopoulos, Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, Mark Hannity, Mark Levin? Are they all well educated and intelligent as well?
They're in the media.
>>710736268
>EVERYTHING THAT I DON'T LIKE IS OBUMMER'S FAULT!
>IF SHILLARY GETS ELECTED EVERYTHING WILL BE HER FAULT!
>o-oh the president I like?
>yeah that was congress' fault
>>710736040
>implying that's relevant
>>710736597
Sean Hannity*
>>710736597
there are exceptions to every rule.
>>710736425
>implying Hillary is poor
>>710735617
Well he's not getting any help from anyone so thats pretty respectable for leader
I didn't say he was a good leader just a leader
Stop complicating things by assuming
>>710736695
See, I knew you'd be a hypocrite and say that.
Liberals and alt right are the same lying shitheels type of people who don't deserve any respect since they give none by how they act.
Hope you get hit by a bus, cocksucker.
>>710732182
Well, I can't exactly buy my own interstate and military so.... yeah. I'm an idiot libtard, I guess.
>>710736621
Reagan had Democrats, Obama had Republicans. Who knows what Hilary will have. Congress makes all the difference.
>>710736338
>oooooh she lyin'
http://mediamatters.org/research/2015/10/23/benghazi-flashback-when-fox-news-reported-that/206391
>>710736809
>>710736310
no one wants to work for less than minimum wage. minimum wage wont even afford you a single apartment with heat/ac and a functioning car. minimum wage will not buy you minum comfort. to say anyone wants to work for less is a delusion.
illegals work for whatever you pay them bc theyre terrified of making noise and getting deported. theres a difference. a starving man willing to work for bread does not mean bread is a fair pay.
owners are job killers. they will cut jobs. benefits, salaries, etc so they can ride in limos, drive their ferraris, and go on cruises. their yachts could easily pay for someones heating but they wont create the job.
>>710736861
The intel disproving the movie theory wasn't immediately available.
>>710736861
>news outlet reports what they were told by the White House
>has no reason not to believe what the White House and Clinton said was a lie
>ohhhhhhh they lied toooooooo, I'm gonnnnnaaa tellllllllll
The lie was initiated by Clinton's State Department and was backed by the White House as a whole until some whistleblower brought the truth to light.
Try not to be so damn retarded, please.
>>710736542
the rich are the corruption.
>>710736891
Not butthurt - you're just a waste of oxygen. Hurry up and die.
>>710736912
>no one wants to work for less than minimum wage.
I do, if that's what it takes to get me regular hours.
>minimum wage wont even afford you a single apartment with heat/ac and a functioning car.
I'm not that expensive.
>not being frugal
>not being resourceful
>minimum wage will not buy you minum comfort.
Define "minum" comfort, you privileged fuck.
>>710737137
Again, they will be rich even without the corruption. Meanwhile, the dollar is still shit.
>>710736970
>The intel
You mean this intel?
http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20141121/benghazi-theories-debunked-by-house-intel-panel
>>710737122
>The lie was initiated by Clinton's State Department
>SHILLARY DID BENGHAZI FOR THE EVULZ!
>>710736152
It can never be completely compensated that is why you then end trade with the person because trust is lost
Concentrate the energy in a smaller and more structured(be a cause of...etc) and you will soon realise the slavery we put our selves in
Heres a start to help you gain some more confidence
What is money and did it come about
It comes about when someone can't trade because of circumstances and offers a token represebting a promise that you will pay later
Money is just promises in exchange for time
>>710737203
>>710737294
>"A two-year investigation"
Yes, that intel.
>>710737230
HUD shows that in most states, to get a single bedroom apartment and afford normal living expenses it would take over 60 hours of work a week at minimum wage to be able afford the cost of living for a single person.
Every single state was 60+ hours, with some of them as high as almost 90 hours a week.
The cost of living index has risen, while the wage has not. That is a fundamental problem because it should rise in tandem otherwise the rich get richer and the poor get more poor. The middle class is disappearing in the US because of this.
>>710732602
Same holds true in business. Middle management can't fix it? Hire consultants. Charge customer more.
Not showing enough profit? Create illegal accounts with customer data and get busted. Charge customers more for legal fees.
It's all the same shit. The problem is at some point the inefficiency of large organizations eclipses any advantage gained from the economies of scale.
>>710737230
>>710737524
Real fuckin' neato. What does that have to do with me? You don't even know my budget. I'd rather get regular hours below minimum wage
>>710737576
If that's what you want to believe.
>>710732822
She gets my vote.
>>710736019
>assuming that the assumptions he makes are assumptions and not facts
>>710737122
>The lie was initiated by Clinton's State Department and was backed by the White House as a whole until some whistleblower brought the truth to light.
"A two-year investigation by the Republican-controlled House Intelligence Committee has found that the CIA and the military acted properly in responding to the 2012 attack on a U.S. diplomatic compound in Benghazi, Libya, and asserted no wrongdoing by Obama administration appointees.
Debunking a series of persistent allegations hinting at dark conspiracies, the investigation of the politically charged incident determined that there was no intelligence failure, no delay in sending a CIA rescue team, no missed opportunity for a military rescue, and no evidence the CIA was covertly shipping arms from Libya to Syria.
In the immediate aftermath of the attack, intelligence about who carried it out and why was contradictory, the report found. That led Susan Rice, then U.S. ambassador to the United Nations, to inaccurately assert that the attack had evolved from a protest, when in fact there had been no protest. But it was intelligence analysts, not political appointees, who made the wrong call, the committee found. The report did not conclude that Rice or any other government official acted in bad faith or intentionally misled the American people."
>Try not to be so damn retarded, please.
>>710732632
This tbh
>>710737230
are you just a contrarian? ill try one time.
your desperation for a living wage does not mean your desperation is fair. it is not fair that anyone be without heat/ac, a functioning car (doesnt have to be a beamer, just something you arent breaking down on the highway with), internet access at home, gas, water, electric, plumbing, the amenities while other have golden toilets. those things are minimum comfort.
"im not that expensive" if you want to live without basics, then be my guest but that doesnt make it reasonable.
>>710733222
As a proud member or the Republican party, you.are.doing us a disservice with this retarded bullshit.
>>710737662
You can't afford decent housing, medical insurance, etc. at below minimum wage without working over 60 hours a week unless you are A: living at home with parents and you have next to no overhead costs or B: living out of a shelter, your car or some other hole in the ground place with no overhead cost.
Which is it - you leeching off someone else, or are you a squatter somewhere?
>>710733222
stay mad republicuck
>>710737395
i understand. but what is your plan? what do you recommend to fix things?
>>710736542
The real problem relates to what i said bro
Can you figure it out?
Tip: the banks main interest is to get you to borrow more
How?
By letting you think there is no way except another loan
Except its the truth
P is not equal to P+i
P - Principle portion of loan
i - interest
How is the gov gonna make the banks give them more notes if it's already payed back the last one but could pay the interest because no notes existed
(More note loans)
That is the cause of the real probkem of devaluation
More notes for lies
>>710730316
You probably just think everyone that's smarter than you and doesn't put up with your shit is "liberal". Common mistake amongst idiots.
>>710733682
Each American pays about $1.50/yr for welfare so mostly meth addicted white trash can eat and live free in their red states.
You knew that, right?
>>710736912
Op here you missed the point
It creates more smaller owners meaning more competion for the big boys why you then now can have job if you get fired from a big company, uts better than no job
>>710734384
You must be pretty low iq if you thinks he actually believes in those things, let alone cares. You don't get elected by being right, normies are too dumb to know what's actually right anyway.
>>710733844
Who gave you the initial start up money?
>>710732116
>(((Friedman)))
Every.
Time.
>>710737667
Op here, you're whipped and a slave
Recognise how you are being treated before its too late to even regret
>>710734869
Nig, a classical liberal is the opposite of what Americans call "liberals".
>>710738143
welfare recipients are not all methheads. disabled, sick, etc all receive welfare. and like i said, there needs to be a check on what the recipient is doing.
this also goes beyond strict welfare, its general social assistance.
>>710737816
You are in no place to tell me how desperate I am or how unfair my circumstances are. A minimum wage is worthless if I don't get regular hours.
>>710737928
>You can't afford decent housing
Speculation
>medical insurance
Don't need it.
>etc.
Don't be lazy.
>Which is it - you leeching off someone else, or are you a squatter somewhere?
My household's core living expenses add up to ~$687.67 (plus ~$58 every three months). Divide by my share, add auto insurance and credit expenses, and I'm not an expensive person.
>>710737964
even dirty donnie knows this is true
>>710734384
>thinks global warming is a conspiracy
>>710738189
>You must be pretty low iq if you thinks he actually believes in those things, let alone cares.
tfw Trump has been ranting on Twitter about a Chinese global warming conspiracy since 2013.
>>710738548
>Don't need it.
you will when you get hit by a truck tomorrow.
>>710736597
They are entertainers not legit news sources. More like fascist Jon Stewarts.
>>710738026
Again, get rid of the corruption and we still have rich people. Not every rich person is a banker.
>>710738180
small owners cannot conpete with big boys ever. dont let the american dream delude you.
and this clearly isnt geared toward your ma & pa shop. small owners are not the ones buying yachts. small owners are also not running people out of homes so they can buy the home for cheap then reselling it for profit.
"its better than nothing" is the problem. there is plenty of wealth, plenty of comfort to go around. the defeatist attitude does nothing to help the situation. "its better than nothing" is the exact rationalization assholes use to be assholes. i had a 30 course meal prepared by slaves? ill give them some bread. better than not having bread.
>>710738626
>tomorrow
kek
>>710738548
You're going to pay a $695 penalty this year if you live in the US for no healthcare and you're above the minimum threshhold for compliance.
Also, just as I suspected - you don't live alone. You have others you live with for support and share the costs of living with.
Your argument does not disprove what I said - a single person cannot survive on 40 hour weeks at minimum wage.
Your frugality, while comendable, would not allow you to live alone just about anyplace with a modicum of decency.
>>710738003
Just awareness man
People emotion of anger because they have been decieved will fuel more awareness
Same with positivity but its a distraction though unfortunatly because people forget as soon as something good is happening
Just need to write it down in a structured format thats easy to understand and then give a crazy name like
The banks are stealing!
Because it is true and you have the evidence because you show how the mechanism works
Just tell people if the ever bring up money problems just tell them
The banks
If they start complaining that all you talk about is the banks
You tell em all you talk about it how little money there is
They'll say so
You say banks
>>710738548
you shouldnt have to struggle to get basic comfort. that is the point. "regular hours" is encompassed in my argument.
everyone willing to work should be able to do productive work and be conpensated fairly. if this compensation is via wage or # of hours does not matter, what matters is you should get it.
the discussion is about what qualifies as miminum comfort and whether workers should receive it. i say yes. you are trying to derail the discussion.
>>710738638
More hypocrisy. More goalpost moving to justify your lies.
"People in media are well educated and intelligent, except the ones I don't like." That's what you should have said instead of the bullshit you're spewing.
>>710737816
All those things you are calling basics haven't been basics for almost all of history. Cars, ac, internet. Fucking hell they are modern luxuries man. In twenty years you'll be calling whatever amazing new technologies develop "basics".
Thing is if socialists like you get their way development stops and everyone just sits on their basic ration of current day "basics".
>>710738710
Yeah the richest instetution is the bank
Everyone uses the banks promisory notes at interest
You sort those cunts out you won't even have to worry about rich companies
>>710738917
Who gives a shit what you can live off of? I've never even worked minimum wage, those jobs are literally only there because there are liberal babies that need to have a low paying job to complain about. The minimum wage should either not change, or be lowered. Fuck the government. Fuck hippies.
>>710739213
Federal Reserve is the largest bank in the US and one of the most corrupt.
>>710738596
He optimises for attention and positive responses, not correctness. You don't have to be a politician to do it but those sorts of people are drawn to politics and do well. I hate politicians btw but you have to give trump credit for being good at the game.
>>710739273
The cost of living index has risen, while minimum wage has not.
If it keeps on this course, in another 50-75 years the true middle class will have disappeared and you will be left with only the wealthy or the poor.
This is not sustainable as it is now.
>>710739043
"history" is not an argument. if you want to argue that heat is not a basic comfort then try it. do not come with garbage like "history" hostory is filled with injustices. to admire thistory or use it as a standard is retarded.
"luxuries" what about being comfortable makes it a luxury? i did not say give everyone an f150 or a beamer or a 2 story house in an upperclass neighborhood. a small but adequate living space will do. an adequate car will do. make some kind of argument where you say a human being does not deserve those basic things.
"sits on their basic ration" it is not ration, smartass. you have to do productive work to be paid. and that payment should afford basic comfort.
im not saying welfare cunts should get these things.
>>710738917
Loving alone is a luxury. You are very entitled to think otherwise.
>>710738917
>You're going to pay a $695 penalty this year if you live in the US for no healthcare and you're above the minimum threshhold for compliance.
No I'm not. I, personally, am eligible for the income exemption.
>Also, just as I suspected - you don't live alone.You have others you live with for support and share the costs of living with.
That's the key to surviving on irregular hours. That's what I mean by resourcefulness. Minimum wage isn't helping me or my household one bit.
>Your argument does not disprove what I said - a single person cannot survive on 40 hour weeks at minimum wage.
40 hours weeks would mean I get to live my version of a millionaire lifestyle. 40 hours @ $5/hour would leave me with a valuable ~$100 surplus at the end of the month.
So what part of my argument doesn't disprove what you said?
>Your frugality, while comendable, would not allow you to live alone
>implying
>just about anyplace with a modicum of decency.
It works for me, asshole. It's not for you to decide whether I have a decent living situation.
>>710739025
>you shouldnt have to struggle to get basic comfort. that is the point.
I don't.
>that is the point. "regular hours" is encompassed in my argument.
Regular hours period simply means I have an easier time paying expenses.
>>710739542
>The cost of living index has risen, while minimum wage has not.
So? That's not stopping my household.
>>710739699
No, it's the base.
Internet access is a luxury.
>>710739213
See >>710739305. Anyway, get rid of the corruption, and whether or not that industry remains rich is still not important. What's important is what it takes to restore our currency. Whether or not we get rid of the corruption, there will still be rich people.
>>710739648
>I'm not saying welfare cunts should get these things
Well that's retarded for a few reasons.
>forcing an employer to pay you more than you're worth is basically welfare with the employer forced to pay
>having a minimum wage makes jobs paying less than that unviable forcing more people onto welfare who previously could have had jobs. The old jobs might not have provided for "basics" to your satisfaction but now they're completely fucked since they have no job.
>>710739918
>being this dense
>trying this hard to troll
>relying on semantic arguments as if they have substance
only on 4chan.
>>710740196
Says the privileged fuck.
>>710738770
Look man i love the compassion brother but the truth is people are heartless so we need to pick up the shackles and work because the people can calculate if they are getting their moneys worth from you and still make a desicion wether you even get minimum wage
It all a sick game bro
I feel bad too bro believe me i never wanted to be surround by slave who think they are free
>>710740033
What basis is there for either of those assertions? This is why having retards like you decide these types of meddling policies is retarded.
>>710740107
Op here
This man understands why the rich people is not the problem
Congradultions on not falling for the system
You are slowly 1 step ahead of the other slaves
Enlighten those cunts brothet
>>710739918
>I think since I'm the exception to the rule and don't fit any of the guidelines that everyone is like me since I have other people I leech off of everyone does too
This is you. You're retarded. If you make enough money to file an income tax, you have to have insurance.
Enjoy your government assrape.
>>710740182
"more than you are worth"
no working human being is worth less than basic comfort. and an owner is the LAST person on the planet who should get to decide the value of others. the value of your work is how much it does for society, not how much money a company makes. thats how you should be compensated
"force more people onto welfare" thats one of the problems. the owners keep getting richer and the workers keep paying for it.
if you are basing your arguments around the success of an owner then there is no more discussion
>>710740391
I'm not pushing for those policies, I merely repeated what HUD studies show.
Why are you so fucking retarded that you can't understand that?
>>710731851
I think you just proved his point with that genius response
>>710740294
I lived from 18-25 without heat or ac in my apartment or lemon of a car. I worked 40-50 hours a week in a hardware store while I saved money to afford ridiculously overpriced school. My parents never gave me a cent and I shared a single bedroom apartment with another person. I damn near starved a few times so I could learn a trade and make enough to afford heat and internet.
I would be a liar if I said that was not a struggle. And Id be evil if I wished the same on anyone else.
I make these arguments for the exact reason that I wasnt privileged. And you spend your time being a contrarian. If I was privileged, Id be making your arguments.
>>710740390
again, being a defeatist does nothing productive.
i do work. if you did too, youd understand how and why the system needs changed.
"people are assholes" does not mean you need an asshole society. we can do a lot better.
Op here im going to rest i just thought i might leave this here
Why are we all fighting over both sides when its the people that set up stage that really behind it all
The same one that have adopted an infinite debt cycle system?
>>710739648
You are fucking retarded.
On a scale of 0 to infinity, 0 being monkeys, 30 being caves + fire, 60 being feudal villages, having your basics is like 100
But you're like "I don't want to give everyone f150s or a nice house or some shit, just basics man" but that extra shit would only rate like 101 on the scale.
Do you see with a bit of perspective how retarded you are? You're drawing you're basics line in a nonsensical place. It only looks sensible from where you're sitting right now.
Ask an African what they would think of your "basics".
>>710740546
>If you make enough money to file an income tax, you have to have insurance.
>implying I have personally have enough money to file income tax
Now who's the retard?
>>710741224
I don't call you "privileged" with contempt. If what you say is true, then either you're retarded or you're not giving me the full picture. When I say "privileged", I'm guessing some of the money you got from your job was spent on things I would never even dream of.
>>710730488
>racists
kek, still drinking the liberal koolaid....
libs started the KKK. Senator Byrd was a prominent KKK member and also Hillary Clinton's mentor. Al Gore's father was also a klan member and stood in the way of the civil rights movement.
Also, pic related.....
>>710740782
I think you're right but it diesn't matter because i don't need to be original to dress my truth
I can say my truth in anyway i like even if its copying how others would say it because i don't care
I don't need to dress my truth with bs
Ill dress it with expression, maybe not original expression but the truth matters more than ego
>>710741695
>pic related
>muh tired old memes make it true
>>710741695
>Senator Byrd was a prominent KKK member and also Hillary Clinton's mentor.
>Ignores that Trump's father was a member of KKK.
>>710741443
because an african is starving, the rest of the world should be happy with the breadcrumbs falling off of donald trumps golden plate in his $100m penthouse that he inherited bc he fell out of a certain vagina?
we can do better. if you think people deserve to be poor bc cold bc an african is colder, /pol/ is that way. an african living in a hut does not mean 4 brick walls is a luxury. i can take you to new york and show you what luxury looks like.
>>710742060
>breadcrumbs falling off of donald trumps golden plate
kek
Anyway, what makes you so certain that African's can't make fire or decent huts? Mud is a better building material than you think.
>>710741423
Well raising the minimum wage is a defeatist move as well when think about it
Oh lets just raise it and see what happens
It will drive companies to shit and jobs will be taken away to give to more bottom feeder workers
>>710742060
>that he inherited
>waaaaah it's not fair, that i didn't get that given to me.
You're an idiot, and making the false assumption that he has done absolutely nothing to build his wealth. You believe that rich people are handed their riches and sit on your ass with the "where's mine" mentality. Holy fuck, the entitlement mentality is cancer to this country. Get off your ass and go start a business.
>>710740627
You are worth what someone is willing to pay you. You are free to assemble basic comfort for yourself without anyone paying you if you want. But guess what, it's fucking impossible for build, cars, ac, internet, nice house by yourself so you trade your skills with others to obtain these luxuries.
Companies are not just evil entities that get to decide how much money to hand out to people. They are setup to organise and direct capital to get all these amazing things like buildings cars done. If you find a better way of organising these things then you will get rich AND everyone else will be better off as well because goods will become cheaper, making EVERYONE relatively richer.
You getting in the way of this natural process make thing less efficient, more expensive and make everyone poorer. (to the extent that you have an impact on things seeing as you are obviously pretty worthless. But in aggregate dumb fucks like you encourage the government to fuck the free economy up which they are all too happy to do because it make politicians feel important when they control things regardless of how bad they are at controlling things to be how they want.)
>>710742420
correct. raising the minimum wage is obviously not the solution and ive never argued to raise it. my initial point was to a counter a lie that people want to work for less.
im arguing that workers deserve basic comfort. that wont be accomplished by raising min wage, you are right. bc the rich will adjust everything to accomodate that. the solution is to do something about the owners.
REMINDER: 80% of /b/ are under age retards who can't vote so it doesn't matter how much pro Trump bs they spew nothing will change
>>710730316
They're the same as conservatives in a lot of ways, to be honest. They're idealists who see nothing wrong with enforcing their ideology on other people, they're uncompromising and stubborn to the point where it should be classified as mental sickness, and they've bought into the idea that they're on some team which is innately better than their opponent's team, where even if said opponent makes a good point they must argue it because that's not *their* stance.
If your mind is not flexible, open to new information and willing to challenge its own ideas, it is at best untrained. If you're not willing to take the middle ground long enough to find a better route than blind adherence to idealism, you're not the sort of person who should have any sort of power, political or otherwise.
>>710742060
>http://time.com/money/3925308/rich-families-lose-wealth/
>http://www.earlytorise.com/how-the-worlds-richest-family-went-broke/
>>710742682
>my initial point was to a counter a lie that people want to work for less.
Again, I'll work for less if it gets me regular hours.
>>710730316
Project much?
>>710742453
>making the false assumption that he has done absolutely nothing to build his wealth
Trump has lost more wealth than he has "built".
>You believe that rich people are handed their riches
Trump was handed his riches.
>Get off your ass and go start a business.
Just like Trump right? Oh wait, he didn't do that either.
>>710742453
explain the fairness in inheriting more than someone else due to which vagina you gell out of? do you think thats a fair system?
>>710742472
there is no conversation for you if you are going to fanboy capitalism. sorry, there are other places for that. plenty of resources on why capitalism hurts the workers and not the mooching rich/poor
>>710741957
Trump's father isn't running for president though.
>>710730970
Sir, all that matters is the people in power keep their power. Everything else is a game to them. The wealthiest people will always get what they want and everyone else fights over the scraps
>>710743098
>explain the fairness in inheriting more than someone else due to which vagina you gell out of? do you think thats a fair system?
Absolutely. Parents work very hard to build a future for their children. It is the primary motivating factor for them to work at all. Support their families, and their children's futures.
>>710743098
>system
>http://money.cnn.com/2014/06/25/luxury/family-wealth/
>http://www.bankrate.com/finance/smart-spending/wealthy-families-who-lost-their-fortune-1.aspx
>>710743305
but that's bullshit, and not fair at all. this is why i support the government taking all assets upon a person's death and the abolishment of wills. it's not fair for one person starting out to be given a fuck-ton more than another.
>>710731279
Companies do worse to humanity than any government. I would trust an institution that's goal is to protect its citizens, than an institution who's sole goal is profit. When you look at it this way, you are the retard. Please kill yourself so we as humans can evolve.
>>710742871
this was already discussed. its about fair compensation which encompasses wage, hours, etc
>>710743305
that has nothing to do with fairness. you cant choose to whom you are born. there is no fairness in a lottery, its literally the opposite. the child has done 0 to deserve their inheritance.
>>710743345
im on mobile mate cbf clicking. if you wanna tldr, i can respond
>>710743206
>Trump's father isn't running for president though.
Oh, but Senator Byrd is?
>>710743459
Life's not fair, so what's the point?
>>710731949
Wow retard alert. Do you even understand what your talking about? How about stop watching TV and actually research shit before you form an opinion. You're the worst type of person, an ignorant bigot
>>710743704
America is about equality, and that's clearly not equality.
>>710743635
>this was already discussed. its about fair compensation which encompasses wage, hours, etc
Who are you to say that my wages aren't fair?
>>710743635
>Squandering the family fortune: Why rich families are losing money
>5 wealthy families who lost their fortunes
>>710743869
Equal protection of laws =/= redistribution of wealth. Everyone has a right to try to earn a living. Some happen to succeed more than others. There's nothing you can do about that.
>>710743305
You're wasting your breathe. The idiots your arguing with will never understand hard work, let alone the fact that A LOT of families before worked their entire lives with no luxuries for themselves PRECISELY so they could save every penny they earned and leave it for their children.
The millenials have grown up (I won't say all, but most as I'm a millenial myself) with nothing but instant gratification. "Internet should be a right, not a privilege!" "Everyone should have a cell phone because it's impossible to get around without one these days!" And all this other bullshit.
They confuse luxuries for "rights" and are the most entitled dipshits on the planet. Their parents raised them without knowing the value of a dollar so it's all "Yeah, free college for everyone no big deal!" while they probably pay a few hundred bucks TOPS in taxes.
Their entire house of cards falls apart without the innovators, the inventors, the creators. You know those people who actually made something from nothing? The people who thought of a fresh new idea and got paid for it?
They don't understand that those people, most of them, got super rich because they took ENORMOUS risks. If they had failed, they wouldn't have a pot to piss in but since they succeeded they're the evil ones! They're the ones holding us back!
No, kids. They're the ones who didn't waste their lives being jealous of what the other guy had and trying to figure out a way to take some of his shit, they spent every waking minute building, inventing, or maintaining something that their parents built and created.
You don't like that some guy has more money than you? Good. Go out there and create something from nothing and beat them at their own game. Until you're ready to put your boots on, step outside, and risk everything then shut the fuck up and get me a refill on my soda.
>>710743459
Who the fuck ever said life was "fair"?
You have a really warped, fucked up way of looking at things, anon. Just saying.
>>710742060
>b-but I'm a special little snowflake....
>where's my millions?
>>710744125
why do you think he's a liberal?
>>710744070
>implying some singular individual magically becomes rich just by inventing something
>implying monopolies don't exist
>implying those monopolies started with just one guy, an idea, and zero funding
>implying wireless communication and the internet were high risk endeavors
>>710743098
>there is no conversation for you
You are the worst type of person there is. Completely stuck in your way of thinking. You could address the points but you don't because you've already made up your mind at some point.
It's interesting that the people that say this are also in favour of more stagnant economies. They see creative destruction as the end of the world instead of seeing it's necessity for future prosperity. In the same way they can't ever question the ideas they already hold.
>x disqualifies you from discussion
Whenever I see someone write this they are almost always wrong. It's probably the best metric to use to disqualify someone from a conversation.
>>710743887
yes, absolutely rich people squander money. i dont disagree with that. theres so many examples of owners tanking businesses, markets, etc with poor decisionmaking. that is the problem. then they get bailed out by the worker. all the more reason owners and inheritance are stupid concepts
is there an example in there of someone who inherited a fortune and ended up on welfare?
idk your life, maybe you deserve higher compensation, idk. im saying that compensation at the smallest level for productive work should be the thibgs ive listed. heat, car, etc.
>>710744229
ive never implied such a thing. i work for my living. i wouldnt even know what to do with millions other than buy houses and give them to struggling families. my entire argument is that the workers should not be picking breadcrumbs. the workers produce the value.
>>710744687
ok mate i didnt mean to offend you or something. im on mobile so i cant type like i want.
ive also done the capitalism argument over and over and i dont wanna put in the effort on mobile if its going to end in a stalemate
you can walk away knowing i was too weak to reply. thats fine. you win this argument. i surrender.
>>710744690
>then they get bailed out by the worker
So the families who lost their fortunes got bailed out?
>is there an example in there of someone who inherited a fortune and ended up on welfare?
How about those families who wasted their fortune?
>im saying that compensation at the smallest level for productive work should be the thibgs ive listed. heat, car, etc.
Those are not as expensive as you think.
>>710744876
Seriously though I've seen the disqualified from conversation thing too many times and I can't stand it.
>>710744540
>>710744540
I'm not implying anything. You're cherry picking so hard that you make yourself look like an idiot.
I could literally list a million examples where precisely one person "magically" becomes rich just by inventing something but I'll use one VERY relevant example that you can wrap your baby-mind around. Jay-Z? You know that guy that Hillary's been parading across stage the past two days to pander to the black vote? He literally wrote words down, sang them, and became "magically rich." Literally rich from nothing, but the guy worked his fucking ass off for years before it paid off. Again, he risked everything and it paid off.
Monopolies are outlawed in the US and they are broken up by anti-trust laws very efficiently. I doubt you were even a twinkle in your dad's eye let alone in diapers when the Microsoft situation happened or you'd know that from life experience.
There are tons of companies that HAVE started with one guy, an idea, and zero funding. There wasn't a gofundme in fucking 1950 dipshit. Yeah, you had some investors, and AGAIN those investors took enormous risk and they lost everything just as much as it paid off.
Wireless communications and internet were FOR THE THIRD TIME an enormous risk. The first ones in the door could literally lose the shirt off their back for betting on a long shot that paid off.
You're looking at shit from some dumbass 12 year old perspective like smartphones were "such an obvious idea" and people 40 years ago were fucking stupid for not thinking of it earlier.
In short: you're a dumbass. get a job, kid.
>>710745035
right, there are probably some families who lose their inheritance. is that supposed to prove that there are some who dont? or prove that the system is fair? i dont see why one fam squandering money negates others from being bailed out by workers
they are expensive enough to not be affordable on current compensation for the lowest compensated workers without pooling money with another.
i wish you were right. i wish i could work 40hours a week minimum wage and afford all those things. i could spend my free time on the internet in pointless 4chan threads
>>710745350
im not disqualifying you, i just cant do it right now mate. sorry
>>710744690
You seem to be under the impression that the reason the government "bailed out" big businesses was to help the business owners themselves. No, dipshit. The REASON companies like Wells Fargo and other banks, car companies and other shit were bailed out is because THE WORKERS would starve otherwise. You didn't go in there and personally work to save one of those companies, but the government DID go in and make sure they didn't collapse so that hundreds of thousands of families that worked FOR those companies wouldn't fucking starve to death.
Do you even economics or what?
It wasn't some old-boys-club decision like "Hey, buddy. Sorry to hear your company tanked, let me pull some strings in the government to save you." It was "Holy shit, we gotta do something because if this company tanks, we have to think about the 400,000 Americans that are going to starve to death and not be able to feed their babies."
>>710745693
>right, there are probably some families who lose their inheritance. is that supposed to prove that there are some who dont? or prove that the system is fair? i dont see why one fam squandering money negates others from being bailed out by workers
You are implying that rich people are universally being bailed out by the workers. What family who lost their fortune got bailed out?
>they are expensive enough to not be affordable on current compensation for the lowest compensated workers without pooling money with another.
Heat, water, and the minimums for car ownership are not that expensive or hard to come by. The only expensive part of car ownership is non-routine repairs (which are most likely caused by neglect on the owner's part).
>i wish i could work 40hours a week minimum wage and afford all those things.
I don't even have regular hours and have all that. You have to be smart about how you manage expenses.
>i could spend my free time on the internet in pointless 4chan threads
Apparently you do, so...
>>710745422
>hurr durr Jay-Z is important technology
>implying wireless technology was invented in the past 40 years
>implying smartphones weren't an inevitability
>hurr durr you're a kid
>>710746073
lol
fuckin rekt
Apparently you do, so....
Wait for it, this asshat is going to he's stuck at work RIGHT NOW posting on 4chan and still try to argue that he deserves a $15 minimum wage.
the irony is fucking hilarious ITT
>>710746158
ur dumb af m8
>>710746158
I used Jay-Z as an example YOU would likely know where he didn't get a hand up and literally made something out of nothing. A rebuttal to your argument that it never happens.
I never said wireless technology is 40 years old, you ARE a kid though for just saying "smartphones were just an inevitability" when you've likely never invented anything but high blood pressure in your parents.
You clearly struggle with critical thinking since you can't even be bothered to formulate a sentence, let alone a fresh, new idea. And those guys that do? They deserve to get paid for it.
If you read even a few pages of an economics book you'd realize that without the massive incentive to potentially be paid enormous amounts of money in reward, most innovation would slow to less than a crawl.
You're arguing to take away that incentive when people like Ford were motivated solely by some weird intrinsic value to just help people. No, it's always been about money and always will be about money.
You'll grow up one day.
>>710746666
when people like Ford weren't*
typo
Why do you retards compartmentalize all of politics and political belief into two categories and shitfling impotent rage at one or the other? Focus on shitty people and specific beliefs.
>>710746666
>hurr you're a kid
>can't give any examples other than Jay-Z
>hurr you're a kid
>hurr you're a kid
>implying Henry Ford magically became rich with zero support
>hurr you're a kid
>>710748240
>implying hard work is magic
>>710748390
>implying hard work is loans and unoriginality
>>710748729
>implying Henry Ford took out loans or was unoriginal
>>710746410
gtl asl m9 cod m8
>>710748888
>Ford invented neither the automobile nor the assembly line
>Murphy and other stockholders in the Detroit Automobile Company formed the Henry Ford Company
>Ford received the backing of an old acquaintance, Alexander Y. Malcomso
>Malcomson brought in another group of investors
>>710749199
>implying improvements aren't innovation
>implying investments are loans
>>710748240
Even in something as simple as a 4chan thread you can't make a useful contribution. There's not much hope for you. If you can't help others they won't help you (you will be poor). Chimping at good advice won't help you either.
>>710749724
>4chan
>useful contribution
pick one
>>710749552
>implying improvements is originality
>implying investments aren't loans
>>710739397
Oh just shut all the way the fuck up for the love of God that man is a fucking idiot
>>710749987
>implying creative solutions to problems aren't original
>implying businesses can default on investments
>>710750112
>implying sticking two existing things together is original
>implying businesses can't stiff investors
>>710750386
>implying no improvements in manufacturing processes were made in the process
>implying that makes investments loans
>>710750717
>implying the toilet lid is still down
>implying the tendies weren't delicious
>>710749993
Check out what Scott Adams the creator of Dilbert and trained hypnotist has to say about trump. It's very interesting.
>>710730316
They like to think they're smart when of course this typically isn't the case. Many of the "educated" liberals choose the most fluff / bullshit degrees like gender studies or anthropology. They equate intelligence with how "nice" or tolerant they are to non-whites and other percieved marginalized minorities, coupled with detest towards anything Western.
>>710751523
/thread
why do americans seem to think that being liberal means you have an progressive mindset and love niggers?
>>710752440
Propaganda.
>>710752440
Because your liberal is our libertarian/small government conservative, and our liberal means social liberalism, not classical liberalism.
>>710752535
No, you just don't understand how it got that way. FDR started this trend and it has evolved since. Liberalism means originally favoring liberty. FDR popularized the idea that liberty can not be had if one is suffering in poverty, thus social liberalism was born. Libertarian is the American version of the phrase you're looking for
>>710751602
I'll tl;dr it for you. Trump is a master persuader. He is incredible at many of the techniques Scott learned from hypnosis masters. Educated liberals get stuck on the content of what he says but in reality that isn't important. What's important is striking a nerve with mainstream America. "Smart people" think his policies are dumb when in fact they're irrelevant.
>>710752747
>FDR started this trend and it has evolved since.
In other words, propaganda. How else did FDR succeed in co-opting the term?
>>710732632
>This is what democrats do, this is called a strawman argument. Noticed I wasn't talking about corporations
But you realize that is the other option, right? The Right pretends that if the government doesn't take charge, "the people" will. No, CORPORATIONS will. Heard the phrase "Robber-barons" from the early 1900's? Yeah, that's because government wasn't in charge, so business became the defacto rulers. They had 6-7 day, 60+ hour work weeks, 10 year olds working in factories, and people being fired for on-the-job injuries, being left to starve.
Democratic government is a bad system of ruling a nation, but it's less bad than every other option that's been tried, including "free market capitalism."
>>710752862
and he also got ties to the rothshield through his daughter ivanka...
>dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-446056/The-richest-Rothschild-all.html
>>710752943
I'm not sure if he was the one who coined it, but the idea that liberty could not be experienced in destitution was popularized by his presidency and the philosophy behind his policies. It makes perfect sense, you can't experience freedom if you and your family struggling to survive.
>>710730316
what do they assume?
>>710731279
Trump already has more plans for government control than hillary.
>>710753170
So?
>>710752440
Because american rightist are completely retarded, their leader cant even form coherent sentences.
>>710753344
that means somewhere down the line, he'll jew america out for kike shekels.
>still better than hillary though....
>>710753103
When was "free market capitalism" ever actually tried?
>>710753580
Of course he will. I never said he was better for America. Just said he was smart and not a retard like people assume.
>>710753720
Honestly it would probably be a disaster for alt-right supporters if he won. America/the world is probably going into meltdown in the next presidential term and whichever side wins will get a disproportionate amount of blame.
>>710753720
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lq6UtGcGPLM
yeah Im pretty sure hes a retard
>>710754140
You don't seem to get it. Most Americans don't follow that and think he's retarded. As far as they can tell each basic thing that he says links well enough to the last thing he said and everything he says they agree with. Most people probably wouldn't even know wtf the nuclear triad was that that guy was talking about. Their understanding of the question is partly shaped by trumps answer.
>>710755028
>most Americans think he's retarded
>supports a candidate with literally one foot in a prison cell and the other following in the next few days
Yeah, anon. WE'RE the dumb ones. kek
>>710745422
> Wireless communications and internet were FOR THE THIRD TIME an enormous risk. The first ones in the door could literally lose the shirt off their back for betting on a long shot that paid off.
Yeah man, I remember all the news footage of shirtless guys wandering around aimlessly during the dot com collapse.
>>710755028
>>710754140
This youtube comment makes my point perfectly
> What cracks me up are the comments "Don't pretend you knew what the Nuclear Triad was before you saw this". Well no; the "Average" Citizen doesn't normally know that sort of thing; especially if they are not deeply invested in politics. But when you run for president, you need to know things like this; or at the very least listen to what the person talking to you is saying.
Actually you don't. You just need to know as much as the average voter. Becoming president is about getting elected, not being a good president. What's the point of answering a question about something the average voter doesn't understand? Better to tell them about a time you were right about something they vaguely understand.
>>710755519
>implying that's newsworthy
>>710730316
Why do you assume that about libs?
>>710733222
this level of retardation
