He's voting for Clinton. Why aren't you?
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He's voting for Clinton. Why aren't you?
>>710492909
Don't live in the us
>>710492909
Because I don't want a nuclear war with Russia.
Because Gary Johnson is on the ballot.
>>710492909
I am not a cuck.
I'm not a sheep / I can make my own decisions.
>>710492909
/pol/ told me to vote trump
I don't vote :^)
>>710493295
Faggot
>>710493291
Idiot faggot
>>710492909
Sam Harris is smart, and his arguments are well thought out, but he can be naive. He takes people at their word, so if an ISIS soldier claims to be fighting for Islam and a worldwide sunnah, he believes him, but he also believes Dick Cheney when he claims that the attack on Iraq is a defensive pre-emptory strike against terrorism, when his oil-industry links are well-known and the conflict of interest is obvious.
Why the fuck am I posting on a website full of retards and NSA weasels?
>>710493067
>>710493461
he's aware people can lie but when they're talking constantly to each other about the joys that await them after death.. and people really are suicide bombing it's more 'naive' to think they can't really believe in a god that wants them to do the things they do.
He's said he wasn't for or against the war on Iraq and that it looked like a mess. He uses someone like Dick Cheney as an example of someone that understand intent - if Dick Cheney could do anything he wanted would he act like businessman that wants to acquire oil or like ISIS which interests are not in oil or profit but killing people because they think that's the right thing to do.
>>710492909
I voted for Hillary. Just put my ballot in the mail a few days ago tbh.
>>710493461
I haven't noticed him taking people's word at face value, but it is true that his belief is that the intentions of people are very important, and not just the actions/effects. I can get behind that. He realizes that Clinton—well both, really—are opportunists who has never sen a check they didn't like. He clearly sees through the FocusGroup-a-Tron9000 that is Hillary.
And I think you are referring to Sam's overview of ISIS' magazine “Dabiq”, yeah? It's true that ISIS could totally be trolling the west with their pompous sneers of “they just don't understand that we are actually sincere religious zealots”, but you need to keep in mind that much of that magazine's job is to also be propaganda for potential recruits… recruits who would WANT to be part of a sincere religious movement where, as Harris said, one can be both holy priest and James Bond all at once. I know that ISIS uses our own liberal sensitivities against us; our desire to help those in need. They exploit that, and cry political motives when it benefits their intentions. But that still doesn't cancel out the apparent fact that they are STILL mainly and earnestly focused on realizing their caliphate, and are interested in recruiting more who believe the same.
As for any alleged belief of Cheney's sincerity, I never read or heard about Harris agreeing to or believing that. I'll have to look into that. Any source for that?
>>710493067
Sam got fucked by Chomsky. Couldn't sit down for a week.
>>710495118
You misunderstand me, bro. I agree that ISIS soldiers are ideologically and religiously motivated, but Harris draws a distinction between ISIS killing innocent people in the name of Islam, and Cheney, Bush et al killing people in the name of 'Freedom'. This is his fundamental break with Chomsky. He claims Chomsky only cares about the body count, and Harris claims (correctly, IMO) that the motivation behind the killing must be considered. Where I think he fails is that he believes that Cheney (and I use Cheney because Harris explicitly mentioned Cheney when making this argument) is motivated by the desire to keep America safe from terrorism. That's clearly and obviously bullshit - Cheney knew Iraq was no threat to America and should have known, and I strongly believe DID know that removing Sadam Hussein would create the vacuum that the likes of ISIS were waiting for, I just don't think he cared about it that much in the short term, and expected that it would generate income for his defense-contractor buddies in the long term.
War is a racket, my friend, and Harris should see through the bullshit. He recently admitted to being wrong about endorsing the increased surveillance of U.S. citizens, so when's he gonna come around on this too?
>>710495913
Oh man, I don't have the time to hunt it down, but as I mention in the other post, Harris was discussing his difference with Chomsky and brought up Cheney and the body count thing before they had their semi-famous row over email.
>>710496587
Yup, just caught that post, myself. It's been a while since I mulled over the Harris/Chomsky spat, haha. Thanks, man. Will do.
>>710496370
What? Chomsky basically waved him off when Harris attempted a dialog over email. That's not getting fucked, that's getting dissed.
>>710496529
I lost.
>>710496370
0/10
>>710496663
He came back so many times in email Chomsky had to stick it to him. Then Harris published it.
He must have secretly liked it.
>>710496373
I don't know much of Cheney as I'm not a US citizen. Can you recall where Harris claimed Cheney is motives by the desire to keep America safe from terrorism and why was that clearly wrong? How could he have known killing Hussein would make things worse for them/us and better for him?
What has he changed his mind about surveillance? Do you mean unlocking iphones or what exactly?
>>710496759
>He must have secretly liked it.
Heh.
Harris is a pretty cool guy and doesn't afraid of anything.
I think he published it so that he can demonstrate that he was attempting a proper dialog and Chomsky was not interested in a challenge to his quasi-dogmatic position.
>>710492909
Because she sucks
They all suck
We need to have another election where these 4 dipshits aren't in the running. Statistically there should be at least one shithead who's a better candidate than what we have to choose from right now
>>710496894
I'm not the anon you are replying to, but yes, I think they were referring to the FBI-Apple dispute. Harris was, at first, on board with the idea of a backdoor, using the illustration that we have never before had "safes" or "safety deposit boxes" that couldn't be found/opened by law enforcement, so why start now. Then, a few tech heads talked with him (can't recall who, or if Sam even named them), and was convinced to change his mind on the matter.
As for the Cheney stuff, that seems to come from an email back-and-forth between Harris and Noam Chomsky. I haven't read it in a while, but it's here:
samharris org/blog/item/the-limits-of-discourse
Only cucks vote for women.... that have been cucking you in Washington for 30 years.
>>710492909
>some guy voting for someone
What does that have to do with who I'm voting for? if he ate some guys asshole that doesn't mean I want to either.
End of the day they are both cunt rockets, just different flavors. Vote for whoever, personally I'll vote Trump because I'm worried Hilary will start WW3.
>>710497387
I know this is bait, but just to trololo along with it… why don't you just cucking nudge your cuckvariables necessary for your cucked definition of “cuckoldry” a few more cuckdegrees to point out that only cucks vote for the person they cuckdeem MOST likely to cuck them over whilst in office… and that many of these cucks conclude that Trump is actually the worse of the two cuckidates? This is to say, to remind all us cucks that we can be cucked by both women with strapons and men with tiny cuckhands alike.
>>710492909
>>710492909
Because I'm a racist and I don't want no stinking Mudslimes in my country. We already got them noggers, yup. The better question, I'd ask, Is , why he want a bunch of mudslimes in our read, white and blue country all-o-suden?
>>710497236
I recall his follow up podcast on the iphone backdoor pushing back at the techniques who supported it (honestly, I was one of them being a tech-guy myself) and him calling people who want total privacy for everyone (including terrorists) from the government to be part of a religious-like cult. I recall him changing him mind on something but I'm not sure it was that - I'll have to re-listen to those.
“My analysis is that Trump would not be permitted to win. Why do I say that? Because he has had every establishment off his side. Trump does not have one establishment, maybe with the exception of the Evangelicals, if you can call them an establishment,” said Assange. “Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc. are all united behind Hillary Clinton. And the media as well. Media owners, and the journalists themselves.”
>>710492909
He had a small debate with Gad Saad over the issue of Trump, and I honestly feel that Saad won in terms of the argument that was put out there.
Sams issue with Trump on that topic was how dangerous Trump may be with the national debt default - but to be honest we are way past that point... we will default in one way or another with the amount of debt we have. So if you look at the argument purely from a demographic shift - Trump wins - because Hillary is much more destructive by basically carting in muslims by the truck load.
If you want to hear the whole thing look up on youtube Gad Saad and Sam Harris.... They both had good points and it was an honest calm conversation.
>>710496894
There was a while a couple of years ago when I watched just about everything youtube had to offer on Harris, it was somewhere in there, I don't remember exactly.
I claim it is clearly wrong because the basic test of 'cui bono?' - 'who benefits?' shows that Cheney's actions generated a lot of income for the oil and defense industry he comes from.
Hussein was aided by the U.S. for years (remember the famous photo of Rumsfeld shaking hands with Hussein) because America wanted a 'ally' (puppet, really) next-door to Iran, who threw off the American-controlled Shah and replaced him with a toxic theocratic regime.
Hussein gassed the kurds for years with U.S. turning a blind eye, and tortured his own people, and harassed Iran, but he also suppressed the uprising and organizing of religiously motivated groups ion the region. It was for his own interests, but it had the effect of keep things in the region generally stable. Also, he was generally secular, he cared about religion as much as he felt he needed to for his seflish political purposes, but he was not an ideologically driven Islamist. His rules were unfair, but they were understood and predictability is the next best thing to freedom.
>>710498036
Trump might get the popular vote, but so did Gore in 2000, the electoral college exists so that mummy and daddy can overrule the kids when they vote to have ice-cream for dinner.
>>710498273
Is getting oil or money always a bad thing? Granted those have a general back track record but that doesn't he isn't also interested in freedom, he may not but I question the reasoning of just "cui bono?" Defense is what you use to ensure you have freedom after all and it's sad killing a dictator has just made things worse - I don't think that was the intention of every supporter of that war but generally I imagine that's mostly true.
>>710498423
Would be an accurate point if it wasn't overwhelmingly young "children" voting for Clinton.
You know, the ones like you who are unable to think for themselves.
>>710498036
I've been saying this, without knowing Trump would run, for years. POTU is always chosen and presented to the people who then go on to vote for said choice, by any means necessary, by the same people who actually rule this world: "Banks, intelligence, arms companies, foreign money, etc." The wealthiest people on earth.
I knew Hillary would be president right after Obama 8 years ago. It was so obvious given who was backing who and the dynamics of the first black male followed by the first female to soften the blow. It's brilliant.
Americans are such idiots. They think they have a democracy. They quarrel amongst each other, trying to convince the other to go with their team, such tribal behavior, as if they actually had a choice.
It works every cycle without fail. Brilliant.
>>710492909
>>710498609
I'm saying that 1) the U.S. invasion of Iraq was supported by the likes of Cheney probably because he stood to make a lot of money from it and, at best, secondarily because of some self-deluded notion of national security and 2) the consequences of that invasion where foreseeable and ignored or, at worst, a cynically calculated means of securing income for defense contractors.
I don't know what every supporter of the war wanted, but the rich and powerful few who stood to gain billions in profit and secure unmeasurable power had pretty clear motives in my opinion.
>>710499133
fair points.
>>710499120
ey that definably looks reel
Having an opinionated debate in class rn
>>710492909
I really really really doubt that.
>>710497578
Lefties think they convince rational ppl with the "they do it to argumentation"
>>710492909
cus im from the usa and i make my own decisions, i dont blindly follow other ppl cus they are atheists riding on the coat tails of hitchens and dawkins
"Black people are apes."
- Sam Harris
>>710492909
I'm not a Trump supporter, but Sam Harris is a pseudo-intellectual of the worst kind.
Don't trust any word that comes from his mouth, even if he sometimes seems right or legit. Be very careful.
>>710493044
-_-
>>710501736
lol that pic tho
>>710501736
You're a fucking idiot.
>>710499120
Pretty sure my high school students could identity this as being faker than something that's really fake.
>>710492909
really? then don't vote at all. voting for clinton is like voting for pol pot
>>710501736
wtf I hate Sam Harris now
>>710501736
>Don't trust any word that comes from his mouth
Good thing he never asked people to do that then.
>>710500811
Harris grants that Hillary isn't portraying religion as a real source of terrorism like she should and if we assume all slander against her was true (even though some of it being true some of it not) she's still better than Trump. Given a better republican Harris may have voted for them.
>>710501736
Is pseudo intellectual just plastered onto people you don't agree with?
what is a REAL intellectual to you? someone who teaches at a university and never applies that knowledge?
anyway black economics guy said intellectuals are useless anyway "intellectuals work begins with and ends with an idea"
>>710502746
>what is a REAL intellectual to you?
Being a real intellectual takes intellectual honestity, something that Harris lacks of. Moreover he has contradicted himself several times and refuses to even acknowledge or explain it.
I agree with some of his conclusions but that's not the only thing what we must look into intellectuals. If you only listen to guys you agree with, you are not looking for reason or arguments but trying to confirm your bias.
>anyway black economics guy said intellectuals are useless anyway
I suppose you mean Thomas Sowell. He probably was trying to adress a more narrow definiton of "intellectuals" or examining some of the habitual tropes from academic circles, like considering their opinion in politics is relevant because they have expertised in another field, but I haven't read that book of his so I cannot give a serious opinion.
>>710492909
Literally who?
>>710503898
He's related to Ben Stiller in some way and calls himself an interlectual.
>>710503898
You never heard of Ben Stiller? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-i3mX0YRrjM
>>710492909
Loved his podcast on Donald Trump with Joe Rogan...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kdDo1A7EsyM
Donald Trump = Dangerous imbecile
The one with Andrew Sullivan was pretty good as well.
The less of two evils IS *less* evil.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXTsvtrKnDs
Hannibal don't approve
>>710505777
that something something good, not bad about Sam Harris
>>710506956
*says
>>710492909
Because KKK Grand Dragon Will Quigg Endorses Hillary Clinton for President
"We want Hillary Clinton to win."
Total money given to Hillary Campaign by the KKK: $20,000.00
Total money given to Donald Trump by the KKK: $0.00
Wow, this is bad. Real bad for Hillary.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/
>>710492909
If you listen to his last podcast and still decide to vote for Trump then there is no hope for you. You're lost to humanity.
How desperate are Democrats now that Hillary's nose-diving in the polls and she's destined to lose?
Very desperate you say?
Well, desperate enough to MAKE A FAKE, SEXIST CRAIGSLIST AD AND POST IT AS A JOD LISTING FOR DONALD TRUMP
That's right. The DNC and Hillary's people fabricated and POSTED a FAKE JOB OPENING where the job requirements were:
-No gaining weight on the job
-Must be open to public humiliation
-Proficient in lying about age if the boss thinks you're too old
Amongst other, numerous disgustingly sexist remarks.
And you faggots want to complain about something Trump said in PRIVATE that was HYPOTHETICAL? You're CAUGHT AGAIN literally trying to create evidence to pin on him.
Isn't that the same thing that cops try to do when they plant drugs on people then charge them?
Fucking sick and pathetic.
http://louderwithcrowder.com/dnc-fake-trump-ads-craigslist/
Al Capone? John Gotti? Hillary Clinton?
You heard right. The FBI is compiling a RICO conspiracy case on Hillary, Podesta and Huma as we speak.
The house of cards is tumbling down. She's done. 10-20 years in prison and getting NOWHERE near the white house.
Sorry you fags wasted your votes. Time to welcome Trump with open arms.
The only question now is who's going to turn State's Witness against her first for a plea deal?
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/federal-law-enforcement-veterans-say-rico-can-take-down-the-clintons/
>>710505777
The only reason he's famous is that one short bit about Bill Cosby. The rest of his shit is just unfunny rants by an obviously drunk moron.
Who's REALLY Putin's puppet? Hint: It's Hillary
Hillary team concerned about discussions of her Russian Uranium deal
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/225
Hillary bragged about being invited to Russia’s Putin’s ‘Inner Sanctum’
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/927 (in attachment)
>>710492909
Not American
>>710507231
take your tinfoil asshattery back to /pol/ you pathetic basement dwelling filth
>>710507190
Fuck trump. I don't want a fucking third world war you piece of shit. I will not welcome him because he won't be president.
>>710503898
Sam Harris, famous atheist/philosopher who wrote The End of Faith. The smarter trumpfags used to love him because he talks a lot about the dangers of radical islam, but then he came out strongly against Trump and now they spend their days sending him threatening tweets.
>>710507345
You don't want a third world war yet you're voting for Hillary?
Hillary Clinton SUPPORTED the IRAN nuclear deal that allowed them to enrich uranium and develop nuclear weapons over the next 6 years that was signed under the Obama Administration.
Hillary Clinton says "If I'm president, we will attack Iran to stop their nuclear program."
Hillary literally CREATED the same nuclear problem that she wants to launch a war AGAINST.
But, somehow, Donald Trump is a warmonger. Savor that fucking hypocrisy, anons.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/hillary-clinton-if-im-president-we-will-attack-iran/5460484
Hillary pretends to give a fuck about minorities and the saddest part is blacks, hispanics, and SJWS eat it up while she exploits the FUCK out of them.
On a radio station targeted towards black people with music that most would consider connected to black culture, Clinton’s comments looked for all the world like a textbook attempt at pandering from a campaign that has long been accused by young black people of doing just that.
"I always roll with hot sauce."
Holy fuck, how racist is that? Not only changing up her verbage and using slang like a 14 year old, but implying that all black people put hot sauce on their food? For fuck's sake.
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/04/hillary-clinton-pandering-radio/479004/
2 months before her "hot sauce" incident, Podesta and team who write her speeches corresponded with each other and tried to get her to say "Yo Mama" at a mostly-black rally.
"Is everyone comfortable with her saying "Yo Mama?"
How do blacks not realize she's exploiting them? Where are the people calling her racist?
http://nymag.com/thecut/2016/10/the-clinton-campaign-wanted-her-to-make-a-yo-mama-joke.html
Yet another example of Democrats being complete hypocrites and talking out of both sides of their mouths.
Let's not forget Bill's snafu from 2008 when they were slinging mud at Obama, clearly an African-American:
"A few years ago this guy would've been carrying our bags."
And the list goes on and on and on. The next time a democrat tries to tell you Trump is a racist without any thing to substantiate it, remind them of a few of these examples.
Be smart. Vote Trump.
>>710507597
Trump wants to pull the US out of NATO and let Putin invade the whole of Ukraine and Syria. This obviously will not cause any instability of any kind though and the world will be insanely safe and not close to war at all.
>>710507597
I seethat same hypocritical shit everywhere. Literally turning blame on trump through made up facts that Hillary is planning on actually doing. What the fuck?! And when they get called out, they either dont respond or they mention every fucking time trump farted the wrong way since '84 and compare it to "deleted emails"... they nevermentiin what the emails are about though. Unless theres some propaganda laced "those poor 3rd world country children" emails. Wow..5 good emails you can point out from tens of thousands or more. She absolutely must be a fucking saint. Right?
>>710508008
>citation needed
Hillary wants to force everyone to wear red and white striped hats and purple underwear.
I know a lot of you faggots aren't old enough to remember the last election in 2012, let alone the one from 2008.
I'll clue you in on a little something:
You look pretty fucking stupid trying to pin the "Obama Birther" thing on Trump when everyone knows Hillary came up with the shit when she was running against Obama the first time.
http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/7-news-stories-2008-prove-hillary-started-obama-birtherism/
>>710508187
That's their "game" in a nutshell just like they call everyone ELSE racist when they pander to the black vote then call them "fucked in the head" behind their back. Democrats are racist as fuck and their entire political agenda is keeping minorities poor and in the door so they'll become dependent on their overlords for handouts in exchange for votes. It's a sick cycle.
>>710508239
I guess my citation is for you to grow a brain and not be lead like a lamb to the slaughter, but you'll never do that. Look at any of Trump's speeches on the crisis in Syria or NATO. Hell, any of our international alliances.
>>710508610
See? Nothing. Not 1 response. Fucking pieces of shit.
>>710508708
>hur durrr "muh feelings" response
ok, great rebuttal. I can make shit up too then just act like YOU'RE the idiot when I don't provide any source for the bullshit I spew.
Any point you're trying to make is moot because you're too fucking stupid to know how to copy paste any evidence whatsoever to support your position. Sorry, kid. This is an adult discussion. Come back when you've got your big boy pants on.
>>710499120
>being this credulous
Building a border wall isn't at all an impossible task or a money pit as every crybaby liberal is screaming about. First off, border walls, when constructed and staffed correctly are extremely effective. Israel is a perfect example (and just because it's 1/15th the size doesn't make it any less accurate of a comparison as the only difference would be how many people would staff said wall.)
We're also talking about almost 2,000 miles of construction. This would employ tens of thousands of people in all sorts of trades and professions from tech/computers all the way down to common construction trades. All those people looking for work and LEGALLY allowed to work in the US would find a lot of new openings.
In the end it would put more money into circulation and actually stimulate the economy with more spending in fact (believe it or not!) we actually did the SAME FUCKING THING with construction of the highway system during the Great Depression and all those people digging ditches, pouring concrete, and building shit actually saved our economy.
The only people who are crying against a SECURE border wall are A) Illegal immigrants that are already in the country and now want legal citizenship after shitting all over our laws and their own people by stepping over their own countrymen and cutting the line B) Children of illegal immigrants aka "anchor babies" who wouldn't be here to begin with if their parents weren't felons and criminals (illegal immigration is a felony and makes them criminals) C) Business owners who profit off of using the labor of illegal immigrants or D) Any combination of the first 3
Tell us again how this could NEVER fucking work when a project 1,000 times bigger has ALREADY WORKED IN THE PAST.
Tell us again how it's somehow RACIST to not want ILLEGAL immigrants to be able to walk across your borders and ignore your laws.
Tell us how it's RACIST when "Illegal Immigrant" isn't even a fucking race to begin with.
We'll wait.
"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health plan."
1.6 MILLION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY LOST OBAMACARE THIS YEAR, 2.4 MILLION PEOPLE ARE PROJECTED TO LOSE OBAMACARE NEXT YEAR.
90%+ WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS BETWEEN 50-116%
Many states only have ONE insurance company to choose from in the "open market" where they were supposed to have MORE choices. (This is called a MONOPOLY and they're ILLEGAL in the US)
Yeah, you're an idiot if you think we need 4 more years of this bullshit.
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybenson/2016/08/23/health-insurance-expert-obamacare-could-be-within-one-year-of-collapse-n2207836
http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/obamacare-is-failing-exactly-the-way-critics-said-it-would/
>>710509130
Fuckin' amen!
>>710509130
it won't happen. here's why.
all big civil infrastructure projects in the past have been economic investments in and of themselves. eg. - the hoover dam created lake mead which was then used to create new farmland.
a wall will not create any new economic opportunities beyond simply getting it built, there's no way to make money off it.
>>710509805
>names one infrastructure project
>says ALL infrastructure projects
topkek, ok idiot
You DO know that tens of thousands of legal workers from mexico cross the border every day into the US to clock in then go back home to Mexico at the end of the day? They buy WORKER VISAS and (holy shit) the US controls the price of those. We can raise or lower them whenever we like. If Mexico doesn't want to pay up front to build the wall, we simply raise the price of the Visas. We can also do this to make revenue. There's no rule against it. They're not going to say no. They don't pay for their Visa, they don't cross the border to work. Problem solved.
>>710496587
Pretty sure he discusses this in the Joe Rogan interview.
>>710492909
He looks like a faggot
Sam Harris= Jewish
Me= Not Jewish
>>710509805
You just need economic incentive. You don't necessarily have to make money, but it would certainly help us to stop losing money by putting less of a strain on the healthcare system, school system and law enforcement agencies.
Because it has been proven time and time again how corrupt Clinton and her foundation is.
Trump is honest, and America needs an honest president. He is patriotic, and his contributions are evident by years of experience in business and making deals.
>>710510128
>administrative fees from worker visas will pay for the wall
wew lad
>>710510521
>You don't necessarily have to make money
only if you decide to use 100% public funds
>>710510681
Clinton is a corrupt but you're delusional.
>>710510745
You're missing the point
>>710510745
Aren't public funds paying for illegal immigrants to go to our schools and use our healthcare?
>>710510860
>>710510931
the point is the way big public works projects like this are funded by a mix of public/private funds
private investors expect a return. if there's none there to be had they will have a hard time funding it.
>>710511173
The return is long term. The return is less strain on health, law, and school systems. In the long run that's a huge return.
>>710507319
Tinfoil XD
>>710492909
Because I'm capable of researching, and forming my own opinion. Already sent in my ballot for Trump/Pence.
>>710510681
>Trump is honest
You must be living under a rock
The man is a pathological liar
>>710511493
Atleast no spirit dinners nomnom
>>710511493
So is your reptile woman.
>>710511598
I hear Podesta drank Clinton's preserved menstrual blood from the first shedding of her uterin lining.
>>710492909
Voting for a suspected murderer. What an ass. Trump is an ass too, but at least he didn't kill someone.
>>710511493
>All Politicians lie
Clinton's lies and schemes heavily outweigh those of Trump's. She is culpable in far greater number of instances.
>>710511442
>/pol/ told me to vote for the orange retard
>>710511980
>Butthurt much?
Go read the leaks and form your own opinion, instead of being follower.
>>710510745
>I don't have a rebuttal to your logical argument so I'll say "wew lad" and hope people don't notice.
You're an idiot if you think we can't raise the price on our worker visas on a whim if the decisions made. You act like we give a fuck if we piss off some Mexicans. We don't. They're not going to quit their job in the US bc their worker visa is $20, $50, $100 more than it was a month ago.
Again there's no logical argument against the wall and it's VERY easy to pay for. It's a captive market. They want the jobs in the US? The want to take their wages back to Mexico? Cool. Pay the fuck up. It's a privilege to work in our country, not a right.
>>710498903
That's all retrospective analysis. I think you give institutions too much credit. If they really had this much power, republicans would've elected someone normal and we'd have another 'election show' as usual. But this cycle is a legitimate freak show, driven by Trump.
Points for well thought out conspiracy though
>>710511908
>>710511598
>>710511655
>assuming i support shillary
Why are so many people in these threads so retarded?
>>710492909
banchod
>>710507139
Do you write for Alex Jones?
>>710512593
There are theories that Tdump does this as a marmeting campaign. Itx win'win for him. If he loses, he got the best worldwide adveetising for himself ever, if he wins he can do more stuff.
>>710513002
The only people that support him are either uneducated, male, poor, and often all three. Most people with money, which are who his businesses cater to, hate him. Not a good business plan. Maybe I'd agree with you if he refused to accept the primary nomination, that would've been the ultimate 'fuck you' to the establishment and would've made the whole world love him for showing how politics are corrupt. But instead he's riding this out because he's a textbook narcissist
>>710513525
>ramble ramble ramble incoherently about nothing of any substance at all
>am I cool yet guys? I disliked trump before it was the popular thing to do.
>>710513525
Well, at the correspondence dinner he was mocked by Obama and he is most likely doing this to take revenge against the democrats. I was disappointed however by his last debate, I watched all three and Hillary looks and acts like a cold bitch, Trump isn't reliable, but at least he can act nice.
>>710513703
go take your shit, redneck goatee and tickle your sister's thighs, shit for brains.
>is that better? am I doing it right? can i be in your cool club anon?
>>710514011
the acting nice is characteristic of his narcissism. i'll give you hillary is a robot; not inspiring at all
>>710512670
I never assumed you supported her. I stated that given the two main contenders; her lies simply outweigh his.
>>710514016
>can't figure out how to use commas properly yet
>calls trump supporters dumb as fuck rednecks
>can't figure out how to use commas properly yet
topkek
my fucking sides :^)
>>710514182
Best would be to vote for the "Where is Aleppo" guy, better to have a not so smart guy than a smart manipulative man or woman.
>>710492909
is that Ben Stiller?
>>710514260
https://owl.english.purdue.edu/owl/owlprint/607/
>>710514016
learn english moran
>>710513525
My wife has a bachelors in economics and is voting for Trump.
That breaks all three of your faggot rules bitch
>>710492909
Because I'm not a multi-millionaire like he is? So her fucking the middle class matters to me
>>710496373
Could you please link me to where Harris reverses himself on the increased surveillance issue? It was the major thing that I disagreed with him about.
>>710513703
Does the black guy fuck both your wife AND you or just your wife?
Oh thats right. You CTR guys are just a bunch of nerd virgins
>>710514260
It's their only defense.
>Hurr durr "you're all uneducated" because you didn't sink yourselves into massive debt for a degree in a bullshit field
>Hurr durr it's everyone's fault, but my own
>>710515194
your wife is a trap
>>710492909
Because I am not anywhere near as smart and always right as god is.
>>710516232
Did you (a liberal) just assume my wifes gender?
>>710515724
CTR = Certified Trump Retard
>>710493067
This tbh
>>710516397
surprise?
>>710493067
The same Gary Johnson who had no idea what "Aleppo" was? The same Gary Johnson who failed to name a single world leader he respected, excusing himself as having another "Aleppo moment"?
>smurt people vote fur Hillary!
Hillary wants to raise minimum wage.
Every person that has taken beginning economics knows this is dumb.
But it finds fertile ground on STUPID PEOPLE.
Tell us again how yur smurt.
>>710516460
Actually let me correct your record friend.
CTR stands for Correct The Record a organzization created and paid for by hillary Clinton to come onto internet communities and shit post everywhere trying to create choas and confusion in any of lace that does not support Hillary while trying to convert non Hillary followers to support her.
But you came on /b/ chaos and confusion thrive here. You have no power here shill. Nobody believes you. Nobody likes you. Infact you better start applying for another Job because your paycheck is about to go to jail.
I hope that triggered you.
Faggot cuck
>>710493461
>>710495118
http://www.critical-theory.com/sam-harris-awkwardly-debates-with-noam-chomsky/
>>710493461
>>710495118
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2zPvRmz-D8
>>710503638
Awful lot of accusations you got there bud. I don't see any of that while listening to him, could you enlighten me (by giving an example)?
>>710517033
critical theory
lmfao
>>710507084
Do you just believe everything you read ?
>>710517262
http://www.salon.com/2015/05/07/scoring_the_noam_chomskysam_harris_debate_how_the_professor_knocked_out_the_atheist/
>>710507139
No one cares about that fake ad, in any shape or form. There are many reasons sane people won't vote for trump, and believing that ad isn't one of them.
>>710516796
man that shit was blown so out of proportion.
I would rather have a guy not know what Aleppo is than 2 people hell bent on invading places all over the world
Show the Johnson cares more about fixing problems here
>>710517399
salon.com
Toppest of keks.
>>710507229
Don't be so rough dude. I actually liked at least one of his specials quite a bit (one in Chicago or something), it's just that people shouldn't expect him to be smart simply because he is funny (He was also drunk as fuck, apparently, so ...)
>>710515616
Not the anon you asked, but here's what I think was his "final" take on it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HK4IBscfMQ
These were all done during his "housekeeping" intros to his podcast, so I can't recall which one this particular one is from. Hope this helps.
>>710517687
>>710517262
You are probably the laziest Harris fanboy and wannabe intellectual yet. Congrats.
Hopefully, you'll eventually come to realize that Chomsky > Harris, once you bother to read something.
>>710517634
>cares about fixing problems
>says we should do nothing about climate change because the sun will engulf the earth in billions of years
top kek
>>710507597
I like how you leave out the part about "if they attack Israel". Would you rather she let Iran attack an American ally ?
>>710518002
good point
>>710518156
hell ya. nothing against Israel but stop being a parasite and solve your own god damn problems
>>710517891
Chomsky is a masochistic little bitch. Harris is a faggot pussy, but at least he's not suicidal like Chomsky.
>>710517399
Quoted:
But by engaging Noam Chomsky, he only managed to reveal just how out of his league he is on crucial matters on which he fancies himself an informed commentator. In philosophical models, perhaps intent is all. But when the death toll of opposing sides is different by a factor of hundreds, it’s a moral imperative to take note of body count. And when leaders’ professed intentions can’t be trusted, Chomsky’s moral universality is a far more reliable beacon.
That's a philosophic disagreement at best. The article's author happens to agree with Chomsky that body count is more important than intentions. Perhaps he's right, but most people think that intentions really do matter, and so aren't strict consequentialists.
They seemed to be talking completely past each other for most of the exchange. Honestly, neither one of them did well with it, in my opinion. I've read quite a bit of Harris' and Chomsky's work, and I find more truth in Harris', but it could be that I'm simply biased because of my philosophic convictions.
As for what causes Islamic terrorism, it's almost certainly many things, including our foreign policy in the past and the present, and the beliefs of Muslims themselves.
The quote: "Most interesting phenomena have multiple causes." is almost certainly true.
>>710517885
Thanks a lot.
>>710518218
>parasite
>solve your own god damn problems
Those are some nice and eloquent ideas right there, I could totally see a president saying that. Did you learn that from Trump ? Or did you study politics ?
On the bright side, at least Chomsky and Harris can agree that Trump is the worst.
https://www.theguardian.com/film/2016/may/20/noam-chomsky-on-donald-trump-almost-a-death-knell-for-the-human-species>>710518379
>>710517033
>>710517891
>>710517134
>>710515194
>my wife is educated
>my wife has a bachelors in economics
pick one
>>710518379
Since you seem to be quite open minded about this, let me ask you. Do you not see a problem in how a "journalist" writes about this and, says things like "managed to reveal just how out of his league he is on crucial matters on which he fancies himself an informed commentator" based only on him agreeing with Chomsky ?
>>710515194
anecdotal
ˌanɪkˈdəʊtl/
adjective
adjective: anecdotal
(of an account) not necessarily true or reliable, because based on personal accounts rather than facts or research.
"while there was much anecdotal evidence there was little hard fact"
synonyms: informal, unreliable, based on hearsay; unscientific
"the evidence is merely anecdotal"
>>710519150
I think that the journalist should be more aware of his own philosophical commitments. Perhaps he is, but doesn't have space to publish them?
I definitely see a problem with how the article was written. I think it's one of the big problems facing us today, actually. More generally, people seem to rush to agree with whomever agrees with their conclusions and forget that how they got there is much more important.
Again, maybe Harris is totally wrong, but I personally don't see it.
I think a big part of it is how one's beliefs get tied up into their identities.
I think this ties that idea together pretty well, but there is significant academic work on the subject, as well.
http://paulgraham.com/identity.html
>>710519150
It's like trying to figure out of moral relativism or cultural relativism is correct. I don't really know, but I don't think so.
I can definitely see how different core philosophical beliefs could lead someone to that belief, though.
I'm
>>710519729
>>710492909
BECAUSE IM NOT A FUCKING AUTISTIC FAG
>>710520059
Fuck you.
>>710519729
>>710519877
You seem quite intelligent. interesting to see someone say that in a board like this
>>710492909
Tropic Thunder was funny coz of RDJ making fun of niggers
>>710492909
Because America isn't the center of the Universe, and your shitty candidates are the subject of much criticism and mockery over here.
also gtfo and take your shitty thread back to /pol/
>>710520314
Thanks, I appreciate it.
/b/ has really gone downhill over the past year or two. So much shilling and politically caused hatred. I mean, /b/ was never good, but it was certainly better than this.
For those interested, the attached book is one of the best written on the subject of political division, its causes, and it's effects. Definitely worth checking out.
>>710520714
You are starting to look like a guy who is too nice to believe anyone wouldn't care about such stuff. You are in /b/, asking people to have an open mind and read a book ?
>>710520714
Was just mulling over choosing an audio book to take along with me on my weekend road trip. There it is! Thanks, man.
>>710517551
Nigger are you retarded? It's not an ad to vote for him you dipshit. You're living proof that liberals have 2 brain cells at most. Good job at proving the stereotypes right.
>>710520881
You may be right. But I think it likely that there other lurkers out there like me though.
Besides, those that follow what Chomsky and Harris have to say closely have to be somewhat above average. At least, I'd like to think so.
I've been here for nearly a decade now (shit) and the IQ of this place used to be noticeably higher. Still, there are millions of people using this site, and probably at least fifty in this thread. Some of them may be interested.
I strongly believe (perhaps without much evidence) that beliefs matter -- mostly because they seem to cause action, a controversial position -- and therefore trying to spread what I think are good ideas and arguments is a good use of my time.
>>710521251
Awesome, I hope you enjoy it.
>>710520447
That is not that was about.
>>710521613
Agreed. Keep fighting the rational fight, anon.
>>710502717
>Still better then trump
That doesnt sounds like a articulated argument that you would exspect from sam harris.
Sam harris would be smart enough not to say who he would be voting for.
Has sauce been provided yet?
>>710522018
Thanks, bro. Rationalism/Naturalism will hopefully win out in the end.
>>710507229
Very wise, anon.
>>710505684
Sam i such a pussy, he should have fought the fight for the 3e candidate, instead he roles over like a faggot.
>its like this guy wants to rape me, im weaker so i will just pull my pants down instead of fighting for my brown flower.
The quote is the lesser of 2 evils is still evil.
I don't get it because she will literately bring in hundreds of thousands of muslim, how can he speak in favor of her.
its one thing to trash trump but saying hillary should be voted for is absurd.
>>710517748
He isnt funny
>>710492909
1. This election is about the globalist/marxist neoliberal mafia & their hostile takeover of the Democratic party.
2. The leadership of this cabal has used HRC & Obama as their professional politicians for implementing their goals.
3. As a way of purchasing political power over America they have donated vast sums of money to the Clinton Foundation to leverage favors.
4. In exchange for these donations HRC/Obama have used the CIA to undermine and topple weaker nations (Ex. Libya, Syria, Yemen, Iraq).
5. This corruption has resulted in social chaos, war, terror, refugees, and the loss of democracy and civil rights abroad and at home.
6. NeverTrump are the Goldman Sachs/Media/Defense Contractors arm of the Republican party who will benefit from HRC as POTUS & support her.
7. The take over of the Democratic party and entire US government would have happened had it not been for HRC’s private server emails.
8. HRC’s emails show correspondence confirming corrupt pay-to-play dealings with foreign governments and wealthy individuals (i.e. treason).
9. Because Loretta Lynch and Obama were effectively able to shut down FBI director Comey the entire hijacking was nearly complete.
10. But Huma Abedin (HRC’s top aide) was married to a sleazy child pornographer/sex addict (Weiner) who saved HRC’s emails for black mail.
>>710523518
11. Weiner AKA Carlos Danger saved HRC’s private server deleted emails just in case he had to black mail his way out of some major shit.
12. The HRC emails in Carlos Danger’s custody & now FBI’s custody will show HRC took money from Soros, Qatar, Saudis & created global chaos.
13. The HRC emails in Carlos Danger’s custody & now FBI’s custody will show HRC took money from Soros, Qatar, Saudis & created global chaos.
14. The deleted emails will show the inner workings of the dual pipeline war raging in Syria, and HRC’s involvement and personal profit.
15. The deleted emails will show the high level involvement of the IMF’s undermining of Greece’s financial system.
16. The deleted emails will show the acceptance and use of ISIS to try and overthrown Assad in Syria in spite of tremendous human suffering.
17. The deleted emails will show how Qatar and Soros bailed out Deutsche bank & Merkel being shamed into accepting the refugees in Europe.
18. The deleted emails will show how Qatar and Soros bailed out Deutsche bank & Merkel being shamed into accepting the refugees in Europe.
19. The deleted emails will expose the Democrats electoral strategy to use Illegal Immigrants from Latin America as pawns to win elections.
20. The deleted emails will show the Iranian double cross with the 150B Iran Deal, & ransom payments sent to Russia and the budding of WWIII
21. The deleted emails will seal HRC’s fate which could end with her facing the death penalty along with Obama for selling state secrets.
22. All of this could end in a political crisis of a magnitude never seen in the history of the modern world.
Source: Hector Morenco Twitter
>>710523116
>hyperbole
Driving fast causes way more deaths than Muslims. Should we ban fast cars, too? Put a governor on all of them? The answer is NO. You can't govern for the minority, just like you can't ban all Muslims because of a minority.
god damn i created this shit thread 7 hours ago
>>710507698
>>710507231
>>710507190
>>710507139
>>710507084
Samefag. I saw all these posts in a similar thread in the morning
>>710524250
There were some decent things in here.
>>710521343
Well, someone is a little upset, huh ?
>>710523347
Quite subjective, ain't it ?
>>710521613
I love you anon <3
>>710524830
Aw, thanks. I really appreciate it.
Because fuck murica
>>710492909
Because I actually have a working brain.
I don't know who the fuck that is
>>710525140
Sam Harris
>>710492909
because of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mujsPpzx2Sc
>>710525345
nooooooooooooooooo
