Can we get an atheism thread? The huge increase in conservative Christcucks on this website is appalling.
>>709906479
bump for triggered cuckservatives
>>709906479
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alvin_Plantinga%27s_free_will_defense
>Kill yourself.
>>709906479
I mean, I think I am at the atheist end of agnosticism. But I do think that it's stupid hypocritical to go on atheist crusades about how religion has no say on what is true, and that atheism is truth.
It's arrogant and ridiculous. Much better to admit that we just don't know and acknowledge that people can have different metaphors and beliefs that support their lives.
Diversity, tolerance and acceptance. Those are the beliefs to propagate I say.
>>709907305
ie, Fuck Sam Harris, Dawkins, Hitchens and Bill Maher.
>>709906479
atheism is my favourite religion
>>709907305
Just to drive the point home, what if our entire universe is just a simulation. Some would say this is quite probable:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulation_hypothesis
What do we call the entities that created this universe if not Gods.
What if consciousness is some inherent property of reality? Does the sum of this consciousness, the great ocean that we have come from and will go back to, doesn't this have some kind of God like quality?
The spiritual aspects of our experience, ie our perception of beauty - We can disregard it if we do, but seems that would be to disregard a lot of art, poetry, creativeness, collected wisdom. Is there value in attempting to snuff out the idea of spirituality? Can't we just accept that there are many ways to interpret the world. Emphasise the importance of a critical mind in concert with an open and tolerant mind?
>>709906479
It's funny cause all evil originates from people lol
>>709908125
>>709907305
you memer tryhards gtfo. you arent even atheist, youre literally self admitted dumbasses with no ability to reason.
go play your ego games elsewhere, this is a big boy thread.
>>709908125
How do we account for transcendental drug experience on mescaline, shrooms, salvia, DMT, how do we account for states achieved through meditation without some spiritual descriptions. We are throwing the baby out with the bathwater if strive for a world of pure atheism. It's not the right hting.
ITT: Neck beards and self proclaimed philosophers
>>709908397
Okay big boy, masturbate your pure atheism load on to my face please.
>>709908444
Tripping in drugs have nothing to do with spiritualism at all. You're brain is frying and overloading on serotonin from the psychedelics causing your brain to think new and intense thoughts.
>>709908397
>Big boy thread
Kek
>>709908646
eh the material here isnt good enough to fap to. theres a bunch of cunts wanking themselves off about how they are super smart for being ignorant.
>i dont know anything
>that makes me smart
what do words mean?
>>709907305
evidence and to a lesser extent reason should decide what is true. If your argument fails then it should be tossed or reworked.
check >>709906734
god may exist outside our universe but so may the brass teapot orbit the sun.
you're welcome to believe in your god. But until you can prove that it exists and wants something from us, theology should not affect governance.
Atheism does not have the imperative to recruit, because we do not get tax free donations to our cause. So it is upon the individual to combat the theological oppression of the reds.
>>709908664
The experience is not the same as the description. It's a different thing. Just like the colour blue isn't just the electromagnetic wavelength of 490–450 nm.
>>709906479
>>709906479
>is he able but not willing?
>then he is malevolent
That's where it goes off the rails. Simply choosing to not prevent all evil at all times does not equal malevolence. An important part of parenting, for example, is allowing a child to learn through negative experiences, even if it might cause pain in the short term. Yes, we're talking about the standard God as a father here due to the fact that he is asserting God should do something and therefore take a fatherly, custodian type role.
It can easily be argued that more good can come from letting people experience evil and choosing to avoid it in the future. Furthermore, there is no good if there is no evil. When evil is stamped out in all its forms by God then we don't have any good. We just have life as it is.
>>709908125
all you did is trade one fairytale for another. simulation theory is a religion, just wasnt posited by a priest.
>>709906479
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
I am atheist, but this is the oldest non sequitur and you should be ashamed to use this. You are a moron
>>709908991
Sure, even if there are dudes who made the universe, obviously silly to think of them as gods, as in they have to be in a place as well, who created tehm etc.
I dunno, the personal god idea does seem ridiculous. But even the idea of active nihilism seems spiritual in it's own way huh? Like, it's up to me to create my own meaning and shape the world as I want it. Fuck it, I dunno, just arrogant cunts of any belief system religious or atheist make me mad.
>>709906479
That's a naive argument.
Able but not willing and willing but not able are still possible with our idea of a god.
>>709908581
This is what a strawman looks like
>Atheist™ thread
>Epicurus
>Hypatia
kinda off topic, but how did it all start? not the universe, but existence itself? any theories?
>>709911383
http://www.ctmu.org/
>>709906479
>>709906927
Honestly I'd rather take the blue pill lmao
>>709910535
Too flesh and blood to be a man of straw.
>>709911946
Funny thing about 40k. If you're well versed in the lore then you know that the Emperor shut down the last christian church himself.
Praise the Emperor.
>>709913022
emperor's apotheosis in the eyes of an Atheist(R)
>>709906479
That's a sign of mental weakness in you anon.
If you had strong arguments for your belief or lack thereof you wouldn't mind having them challenged.
>>709914136
>i try to sound smart
>Tfw you dont know what smart sounds like
>>709914448
Healthy debate makes a strong mind, an echo chamber like OP seeks is what breeds faggotry.
>>709914743
you mean god is a challenge? the challenge is to defeat the universe not to cry about why we here
>>709914448
atheists(R) are smart by default
>>709915029
well, every journey starts with a first step
>>709914136
If he was trying to censor anything, then what you just said would have made sense.
But he simply said that the increase in theists on this side is appalling, because from his POV its unreasonable.
If he would have added
>and no arguments or discussions are allowed in this thread
Your response would be justified
For instance, im sure nobody would have any problem with debating a flat earther, but a sudden increase in flat earthers would still be worrying.
>>709915131
where's the peer-reviewed empirical evidence for that claim?
>>709915447
im dragging my balls in the sand
Butthurt athiest babby's incoming.
I'm sorry that the girl you always wanted wouldn't give you a chance and instead went for the cool guy in high school. Of course, instead of realizing that you're an ugly, useless sack of shit, you had to attempt to appear "intellectually superior" and claim all the edgy theories as your own.
Face it, you struggle with your personality and attempt to find solace in being different. In being better. You try to say that others just "don't understand you". Yes, that girl was a good christian/muslim/jewish girl. She rejected you, so you found a reason for her to.
Pathetic. Grow up dumbfag. You're just repulsive for who you are, not if you believe in God or not.
tl;dr this board is for 18+ nonedgy fags anyway.
>>709906479
>I created a definition of God in my head in which God must always help people and if he does not always help people then he does not exist
Fucking flawless reasoning.
>>709915960
>women or believer
fuck the girl of your past, she gonna get fat at 30 throw around 2-3 kids and stay that just as her parents did before her. she gonna hate herself, her husbans hates her, and the kids end up as muslems
>>709916320
idk, tell me one. last 2000 years, adolf doesnt count nor ceasar
Let them believe bs, who cares. It's a good thing that idiots don't die out.
>>709916320
All while not even being a skeptical,rational,modern,scientific atheist(R).
>>709909402
But the thing is: what the fuck is the point of experiencing evil to avoid it if we'll die anyway and go to heaven? Sure,those who cause evil will go to hell,but what is the point of it if all we'll do for the rest of eternity is just sit in a quiet,peaceful place or experience agony forever
We get born,we do whatever we do, make whatever choices we want to make and then we die. We'll get judged after that and go to heaven or hell for... reasons. GOD created us with a plan in mind and has planned for a lot of us to either do or experience a lot of bad shit,and those who do the bad shit basically drew the short straw and have to burn in hell for all eternity because God planned it.
Like...what the fuck,man
He is malevolent if he PLANNED people to experience all the bad shit they've experienced,or do all the bad shit they've done.
>>709906629
I suppose this would apply to any theist here too, since you dont believe in Zeus (Or Athena, or whichever god you wish from their pantheon) either.
>>709917837
Wouldn't you have to believe in all of them if you believe in one?
You believe in Poseidon,for example,which is the brother of Zeus. So you'd have to believe in Zeus as well,since Poseidon's story says that he is related to Zeus.
>>709917837
ie. Richard Dawkins' proselytization strategy with the dilution of the word "atheist" to adjectivally use it to attribute it to any and everyone (so much for the 'exotic' 'intellect' of 'atheists' thereon)
>>709906956
So innocent children get cancer and die because god wanted to give us free will ? That defense only accounts for "man-caused evil".
>Kill yourself
>>709908444
I see your point, but I think you're confusing spirituality with religion. They're not necessarily the same thing imo.
Also, nice trips.
You have exactly 8 hours and 54 minutes to prove you're not a newfag.
>>709909108
What is it then ? The color blue. If it's not just that, then what else is it ?
>>709908444
>muh '''''''''''''''''''''''''''spiritualism''''''''''''''''''''''
ffs people are retarded
>>709918753
roll
DUDE NEAR DEATH EXPERIENCES AND DMT LMAO
>I'll take retarded arguments that have been thoroughly dismantled decades ago for $500, Alex.
>>709918753
If I get shot in the head, I won't play another league game.
>>709906479
What the unholy blasphemy did you just say about me, you little non-believer? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the College of Cardinals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret masses on weekdays, and I have over 300 confirmed blessings. I am trained in baptism and I’m the top communion giver in the entire Roman Catholicism religion. You are nothing to me but just another athiest. I will wipe you the fudge out with prayers the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my holy words. You think you can get away with saying that stuff to me over the Internet? Think again, athiest. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the vatican and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for mass, heretic. The mass that converts the pathetic little thing you call atheism. You’re fudging blessrd, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can pray for you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my latin. Not only am I extensively trained in confessionals, but I have access to the entire content of the Book of Psalms and I will use it to its full extent to convert your miserable atheism to the light of the lord, you little non-believer. If only you could have known what holy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your heretical tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price. I will bless all over you and you will be reborn in it. You’re sins are forgiven, kiddo.
>>709918689
Sacerdotalism not needed for henosis (inasmuch as the former be a convenient image of "the enemy" for "skeptics" to fling mud from their tepid pool of thought at)
>that awkward feeling when you're smart enough to recognize that all religions are man made horseshit, but not smart enough to know that '''''''''''''''''''''''''''spirits''''''''''''''''''''' don't exist
>>709909402
> Sorry Timmy, God wanted you to have cancer, so you can learn through this negative experience.
If he is omnipotent he can just make you be born with all that knowledge. Parents aren't omnipotent, so I don't see how that's a fair comparison. If I was omnipotent (and omniscient )I would just give my child all the knowledge, not make him suffer to obtain it.
How can that be argued ? Would you also argue that we should all have a 1 time murder pass, so we could have the experience and really learn to choose not to do it in the future ?
The last thing about evil just sounds retarded
>>709906927
I thought the red pill was going to make me never get married.
>>709910393
"Our" ? Whose god are you talking about that is willing to do something but not able ? I don't think I've ever heard someone say that about their god
>>709919200
>s'
A certain "feeling" certainly has possessed you.
>>709919375
>>709910988
Bitch, we could quote the fucking pope if he said something we agreed with, stop being such a retard.
>>709919361
Not him, but I'll take the bait.
"Hey, don't touch the hot stove, it's hot"
"Hey, don't touch the hot stove, it's hot"
"Hey, don't touch the hot stove, it's hot"
"Hey, don't touch the hot stove, it's hot"
*kid finally touches the stove*
"Ouch, that was hot! I should probably not touch that."
What you're saying is to take away free will and never let the child do anything that you deem unworthy.
So a correct analogy would be more like "Hey, here are guidelines you need to have a good, prosperous life. One filled with meaning. You may not always have material wealth, but if you follow these guidelines, you will find inner peace and happiness. Not only that, but civilization as a whole will be happier and content, not just successful."
That would be like parents saying "Hey, the stove is hot"
"Burning in hell" is the consequence to acting amuck. The same way touching the hot stove will burn you. It's just the consequence of it. No one is forcing you to hold your hand over the stove.
If you're insinuating that you would rather have your parents hold your hand away from the stove, or God controlling every action to stop you from committing sin or wrongdoing, then you're against freedom.
Not even a Christfag, I just wanted you to think about what you wrote.
the fact that you cant see the enormous chess game being played proves that you are all pawns, have fun being used
atheist dog bolshevik ravanchist aopologist
for the bomb throwers
god will send you a million volts & 500 amps through your wifi line in mamas basement
>>709918753
lemme get that red
>>709919945
You don't get it. He wouldn't need to touch the stove and you wouldn't need to hold his hand away from it if you were omnipotent and you could literally in a fucking second make it so he knew exactly how it felt to touch it without ever doing it, or even make it so his skin was hard enough he couldnt even fucking feel it. If he could make you be born with the knowledge of the experience, without suffering the experience, why shouldn't he ?
If you were a parent, and had the power of a god, to do anything, and could give your child that knowledge (not tell him, but have the neurons in his brain fucking map that shit out so he KNEW it) would you preffer that he suffer being burnt to learn it ?
>>709919905
>we
The universal "we" that the Atheist™ sure loves to collectivize themselves with (like the 'oneness' of a flea on the body of a dog), especially when it can make Atheism(R) more appealing because all of the smart guys are "us".
>>709920593
So again, you just want everyone to "know" that being "good" is better and not suffer consequences of being "bad". Think about it, is that free will? What's the point of living without learning. It's learning from past mistakes and getting closer to one's God.
Tl;dr What is good without evil?
atheists can't define atheism
>>709919945
but 'we' are 'hardwired' to be bad
bad to the bone
>>709920799
We as in the people who are in this thread posting. Jesus Christ dude, you really want to trigger someone that bad or are you serious right now ?
>inb4 Hurr durr you said jesus christ, see ? you're not an atheist
>>709918753
Rolly polly olly fucked his granoli in the anolio
Atheists can suck my dick, I did no come from a monkey and there's no 'missing link'. for evolution to make sense we need atleast a dozen 'missing links' just to explain how we can modulate and speak
>>709906479
*appealing
>>709906479
Epicurus was explicitly not an atheist, so I doubt that is his quote.
>>709921292
we came from a common ancestor of a monkey not actually the monkey
>>709921580
I didn't, n way where are the missing links? we should have them by the hundreds by now
>>709921115
>We as in the people who are in this thread posting.
I'm not posting? The homogeneous Atheist™ blob isn't the only 'thing' within the thread.
>>709906734
Ironic, coming from a Neoplatonist philosopher. The most modest Neoplatonists still believed in the One God, and layers of servant Gods ordering the world (though not in response to humanity's prayers), while the most liberal Neoplatonists believed they could summon the Gods into statues to do deeds for them.
Evolution is a belief, just a little research in archeology will show you that there's no evidence of us coming from any specimen on this planet. The carbon dating too often is wrong by a couple of millions of years or so.
>>709920910
Yes, If God could just do that because he is omnipotent then I would want that. Why do you want people to be bad and suffer so much ? Wouldn't the ideal world be one where everyone is good and no one sins and everyone goes to heaven anyway ? Why is it so hard for you to grasp the concept that if God is omnipotent, then all of the suffering ever could just not exist if he chose it ?
I don't need free will, and it's not like it's 100% closed that we even have it.
What would be the point of learning if you could be born and already know everything ?
So if one were born knowing everything (as an omnipotent god could make one) one would be the closest possible to "one's God", no ? what's the problem there ?
Think like this, for a moment, I'll try to make it simple, so there is no confusion. Let's say murder is bad, and helping others is good. If murder dissapers we have no use for the words good and evil, but in the end, there is no murder (the bad thing) but there is helping people (the good thing). Good acts wouldn't disappear if bad acts did, you just would lose the way you describe them (ie. Good and evil), no ?
>>709921383
'lack of belief'-ers have the best memes
>>709906479
If you were an atheist you wouldn't care.
>>709922010
I theorize that god want us to worship him out of our own free will, lucifer had it and we know how he used it. with free will people can be evil.
>>709921746
natural selection eliminates the species that are not adapted to their environment. In order for that to happen you need different genes which can happen when mutations happen, natural selection then eliminates the bad genes and then keeps the good ones which over a lot of time can cause modification of a species. Eventually we humans with larger brains developed tools which made us better adapted and then we developed language tech etc and here we are
btw ur gif is cute
>>709921914
While Hypatia's works have yet to surface (or at least in the public eye).
>>709921756
Yeah dude, my bad, religious fags are here in the atheism thread, I'm sorry I forgot you, hope it didnt hurt your feelings. Now what ? Do you actually have an argument or are you only here to complain about pointless things like that ?
>>709922221
yeah but we have lots of primates fossilized skeletons from thousands of years ago and yet we still lack the so called missing links. There is no proof for HUMAN evolution, just saiyan.
>>709922221
>natural selection eliminates the species that are not adapted to their environment.
Oh so (N)ature has a mind of its own
spam post dillaCunty for maximum logic
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rJ6ruM7Muo8
>>709922512
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sztt70n6geE
>>709922517
an example is a green frog and a pink frog living together on a green leaf
the green frog is camoflauged
the pink frog isint
pink frog dies out cuz predators can see pink frog
green frog takes over cuz predators cant see green frog
the gene of green color survives
pink gene doesnt
>>709906479
whatever sure lets do that
>>709914136
thus your belief must be right because his can be challenged? Gimme a break
>>709922743
'we don't need fossils'
how can this not be called 'faith' ?
>>709922855
He wont get it anon, his faith will always twist his mind to see things the way he wants.
>>709922420
>Now what ? Do you actually have an argument or are you only here to complain about pointless things like that ?
Now what? What was conveyed was in response to what 'you' or 'we' said, which was corrected.
>actually have an argument
Of course not, as 'you' or the 'we' itself has admitted that your 'argument' was, dude, '[your] bad".
The 'complaining' was about the greentexting in regards to the 'best' and some of the most hackneyed Atheism(R) memes,which I was so kind as to provide some clarity to your myopia.
>>709912090
>hur dur without religion life is meaningless blur hur dur
You are so simple, Simon.
>>709922855
>the gene of green color survives
>pink gene doesnt
Green frog dies, pink frog lives, the color green ceases to exist,but pink lives on.
Can we also mock Muslims here or is this the Atheists that are only Atheists out of spite from their parents Catholic beliefs? If it's the latter, then fuck off you fedora tipping pussies.
>>709923077
congratulations, you just proved your point by quoting someone out of context. That will definitely prove that your faith is stronger since you can classify science as another faith.
>>709923397
no green frogs liv pink doesnt
>>709918765
This one is good.
>>709923437
>atheists are only atheists out of spite for their parents
I don't know about the lives of the rest of the people in this thread but that sweeping generalization does not apply to my life. Maybe you should talk to people more often.
If you want, I can tell you about my upbringing but I doubt that you really give a shit and that you much prefer broad stereotypes.
Atheism doesn't equal leftism. Furthermore metaphysical arguments are unnecessary, all religions have clearly established histories and every single one is a mess of outdated politics. Christians are particularly pathetic, their religion was synthesized from every major religion in their region so it could become the state religion of Rome. The emperor chose it because it gave him 'Divine Right' making him equivalent to a pharaoh, an extension of god who is completely beyond question and can do whatever he wants. It also promoted nationalism, the idea was that a single nation should have a single religion everyone participated in so that spirituality was tantamount to nationalism. Every other nation started doing it because it worked and that went on until the modern era, hell, the UK still technically has it's god-queen who is the head of the Anglican church.
With shit like being well established fact having a metaphysical argument is pointless, it's dishonest for them to even enter into one when there's an incredibly obvious reason religion exists as it does. Pre-nationalistic religions were agricultural religions, you prayed for rain and shit, you believed the wind was alive because you desired power over the natural world which had abject power over you and your survival.
Religion = the will to power. End of discussion because there are no examples of religion where this is not the case. Not one.
>>709923493
>Darwinism embodies all [S]cience
>>709923077
Can't tell if troll or literally unable to think.
>>709906479
>>709920982
>>709923437
Muslims blow themselves up and oppress their own people to a harsh extent, so there is not much to argue that their religion can ever be the one great faith.
>>709923493
I believe in science, just not human evolution.
It is faith and wishful thinking to believe in 'lucy' and shit.
You just need to study a bit of archeology to destroy human evolution.
>>709923579
With surgical concision, the color pink, frogs, and genes all have lives of their own.
>>709906801
found the butthurt liberal
>>709908664
yes
no
yes
kinda
yea
>>709923813
Not only I am able to think but I also dug deep into archeology to figure out the human evolution hoax.
>>709923766
Darwinism was a flawed old aspect of science, you have to move on to what we have discovered and recorded now. That is how science works.
>>709922212
Thats not a theory that is what christianity really is. If any godless person here claims this religion is about god having a master plan for us its false. A man must freely choose to have faith, otherwise its just meaningless
>>709922512
I'm going to assume bait because I haven't heard bad arguments like this in years.
Every fossil is a transition fossil. You are a transition fossil.
Say I show you a graph of a smooth curve and take a few points out of the domain. Can you then say it would be completely inaccurate to extrapolate? Why does one assume god and give up.
>>709923728
>Atheism doesn't equal leftism
>Mussolini would become anti-clerical like his father. As a young man, he "proclaimed
himself to be an atheist[174] and several times tried to shock an audience by calling on God to strike him dead."[172] He believed that science had proven there was no god, and that the historical Jesus was ignorant and mad. He considered religion a disease of the psyche, and accused Christianity of promoting resignation and cowardice.[172]
Mussolini was an admirer of Friedrich Nietzsche.
*tips military cap
>>709911627
tl,dr?
>>709923077
>>709924227
Lawrence 'Nobody' Krauss proved the nothing!
Fairly certain I'm the only atheist in my family. Naturally, they don't talk to me as much since I converted.
>>709923989
well science points towards lucy and evolution as being pretty factual my good sir
>>709923231
>Now what? What was conveyed was in response to what 'you' or 'we' said, which was corrected.
Okay, I used "we" when I shouldn't have, turns out I'm not that great at my second language. Is that your contribution to the atheism thread ? Fixing an error that in the end really didn't have any importance ?
You are in a thread, this isn't a chatroom with just the 2 of us, and thus I clearly meant "have an argument" in the thread, and not "have an argument" in this response chain.
Yes, quite important that, it really contributes to the thread.
>inb4 some pompous response where you dont actually say anything of substance regarding the belief in a god but just attempt to feel superior by arguing over a word out of place or who said something that was quoted
>>709924353
>desires the truth of existence
>only wants the cliff-notes
>>709924227
what makes sense to you is not always what can be found to be the logical reason for things
>>709924287
When I said 'dug deep' I meant it. It is not a bad argument, have absolutely no transitional fossils. We have transitional fossils for almost every other specimen but not humans.
>>709924227
Oh reality is complicated?
Better give up thinking, it's bout' time to beat my kids with a rod.
>>709920910
>What is good without evil?
Going above and beyond the average state of indifference. Next question.
>>709924002
Yeah, but you don't see many albino frogs around, do you? It's called a mutation, father Fondle, and another PRIEST named Gregor Mendel
>>709924526
>don't want to waste 30 mins on something thats maybe worth the read, maybe total BS & nothing new
>>709906479
I'm a deistic agnostic. Let's see you cucks have a religious war in the comments.
>>709924571
you just ignored a whole lot of evidence there, and I would love to hear your thoughts on why this may be.
>>709924287
I'd accept fossils showing a smooth transation but we don't have those, all we got is a huge gap and half of a chimp skeleton we called 'lucy'.
>>709906607
lel
>>709924848
im an agnostic atheist, high five?
>>709915337
well said
>>709924199
This. It's generally referred to as the "neo-Darwinian synthesis", taking the best Darwinian ideas and combining them with the best genetic evidence to produce a theory much greater in scale than Darwin could have imagined.
Also checked.
>>709924354
exept there's no evidence for evolution, take a look for yourself.
Look at what happens when our genes try to jump. It is not pretty.
>>709924943
present your reasoning for why this must be? is it because god wills it? the theist nazis made it up? what is your major malfunction numbnuts?
>>709924573
Kek. Seems the only other option.
>>709924227
>>709920982
>via 9gag
Kill yourself
>>709925115
We can track the evolution of blonde hair and other ethnic phenotypes quiete well.
>>709924571
Evolution: the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified from earlier forms during the history of the earth.
If "we have transitional fossils for almost every other specimen...", wouldn't that suggest evolution is still very accurate. Why now assume god.
Evolution is functional. It makes accurate predictions. You would rather abandon the whole thing and say muh god is reals! Making no useful contribution anything.
If something fails, you try something else. When you then default to god you go nowhere.
captcha: 600 through
>>709918790
your experience of it, that's the colour blue.
>>709925115
you are ignoring physical evidence m8 and you are concluding evolution doesnt work.Also correct me if im wrong, but are you saying the evidence for why there is no evidence of change is that because people can have down syndrome
>>709925038
where's your chin ralph?
>>709922010
Gonna take the bait. Why are you even arguing with a Christian? They always beat around the fucking bush and never get the point.
tell me, fuckwads, how are you gonna justify children having cancer? Let me guess, it's "god's plan"
Fuck you and fuck your deity.
>>709925336
This is a good point why the faggot laizisse defenders better start thinking about defending this way of statehood with the rifle and execution of proddycults as we used to in the past.
At least catholics are compatible with their two sword teaching.
>>709925389
how about we stop pointing fingers at who is smug and just debate like gentlemen?
>>709924510
>Okay, I used "we" when I shouldn't have, turns out I'm not that great at my second language. Is that your contribution to the atheism thread ? Fixing an error that in the end really didn't have any importance ?
Such a "lack" of "importance" (says who? 'we'?) that it warranted responses from each of "us",in addition to it being in response to what was foundation in your initial 'argument' or comment.
"nb4 some pompous response where you dont actually say anything of substance regarding the belief in a god but just attempt to feel superior by arguing over a word out of place or who said something that was quoted"
What "lacks substance" would not warrant a reply, unless of course it's that Krauss-esque kind of "nothing" that 'we' are talking about.
>feel superior
Your language acuity is,admittedly, inferior and without the tongue, there's only lips flapping (and the adherents of Atheism(R) would certainly love to speak for those that no longer can do that, ie. Epicurus and Hypatia).
>>709925430
>Bible says Earth is a sphere
stopped reading right there
>>709925624
dude, I'm just here to take the piss
>>709925569
at least we are on the same page with islamic extremists
Atheism expert in his natural habit
>>709906479
i like wen atheists try to say God and science don't mix. Proves that they're still living in the Middle Ages.
>>709925115
Likely a result of 'science-based' creations that are not conducive to the health of a living organism, but it's "modern" so that makes it okay.
>>709925761
did you know if you pee yellow that means you need more water?
Is there anyone on this site that legitimately believes in god and thinks they are going to heaven?
I was dragged into this world without my consent and dealt a shitty hand (grew up poor because of single, whore mom, am ugly, am dumb, etc).
I couldn't care less if there's a god. It's very nature is unjust and disgusting.
>>709925863
kid probably proves a point better than you
>>709915960
>tl;dr this board is for 18+ nonedgy fags anyway
Have you ever been to 4chan? this place is (and has always been) an edgy shitfest full of tryhard tweenagers
>>709918753
going for
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6
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>>709925979
keep laughing until you realize atheism doesnt need to be passed down, just rediscovered.
>>709926077
atheists are the most handsome, bright, rational, skeptical, and evolved by default.
>>709925038
>Darwin taught us "Survival of the Fittest"
Actually that phrase was coined by Herbert Spencer.
From Wikipedia (not the best source, I know, but it'll do):
Herbert Spencer first used the phrase, after reading Charles Darwin's On the Origin of Species, in his Principles of Biology (1864), in which he drew parallels between his own economic theories and Darwin's biological ones: "This survival of the fittest, which I have here sought to express in mechanical terms, is that which Mr. Darwin has called 'natural selection', or the preservation of favoured races in the struggle for life.
>>709925865
ikr
im considering converting to judaism as they consider religious facts wrong if science contradicts the religious fact
>>709926268
my dubs say yes
Hmm... natural selection and evolution....
Should I start raping fertile girls just because I am strong enough to subdue her and smart enought to get away with it?
Survival of the fittest, lets spread our genes.
>>709926242
Which means that Atheism(R) has its own independent existence and therefore not a mere 'lack of belief'.
>>709926321
learn something new every day thank you
>>709926029
I believe in god but if I take into account all I am doing right now, heaven seems like a far away dream.
What if hitherto there wasn't a God, but there could be a person who could fit the criteria of a God if they try because Scientific discovery is built on the induction fallacy?
>>709925098
Those places always remind me of the Metallica song "Leper Messiah"
>Send me money, send me green
>Heaven you will meet.
>Make a contribution and you'll get a better seat...
>>709906479
It's also weird as fuck.
>>709926489
>I want an award for being a cardboard cut-out of everyone else and meeting all social expectations and norms
Here, just take the whole box.
>>709926446
no, just that the lack of belief can be concluded by anyone just like how there is a god can be concluded through observation and assumption.
>>709926434
Well, its what the Israelites did to subjugated tribes..
In the end we have reached a stage of conciossness were we could create society and its laws in order to spread more effective with some sacrifice like the old hunt and rape ways, thus cheating nature in some regard.
But fuck nature, we feel better this way.
>>709926726
Dont worry anon, atheism is just a phase. You will get over it once you grow up.
>>709926779
mh?
But there is no correlation between virginity and atheism as there are nearly completely atheist places such as the baltics and east germany were they still fuck as their society would break down otherwise.
>>709926434
you can try but then risk your own survival and fitness.
>>709914940
WHY THE FUCK DID I EXPECT HER TO SHOW HER DICK ?
>>709927013
>But there is no correlation between virginity and atheism
you are the proof that it does
>>709927194
correlation is not causation
>>709926942
Chances are, I'm older than you. Dogmatism is the real 'phase,' but other people supporting it is why so few think long enough to grow out of it.
I'm sorry to say this but didn't the world end in 2012?
>>709927013
no but autism does relate to atheism
>>709927032
>change the plate
>deserted road
>taser
>pull her inside the car
>cum.jpg
>throw her outside the car
>change the plate
>go home
>>709924297
Here's where I point out Hitler as a counter-example, then next is where you tell me Hitler Did Nothing Wrong. I have a better idea, how about I point out the obviousness of Mussolini being so classically fascist he wanted to make the state itself the object of spirituality to the exclusion of all other spiritual objects because he believed them to be inpure and inferior to worship of the state, and by extension, himself. All of his actions are consistent with that strategy, including allowing his own son to become a victim of his own state rather than disrupt the state-as-spirit image he had created around himself.
>Atheists can't into moral philosophy meme
Is bullshit, we invented it and are the only ones with a genuine interest in moral philosophy. Only when death is actually death does shit genuinely matter to people.
Also my original post is obviously correct in light of ISIS, they conflate Islam and The State directly and without reservation. This is hardly a surprise considering most Islamics live in theocratic states replete with warring sects of the same faith. Islamics are so annoying because they're culturally a step behind everyone else and still can't separate religion and the state. They're objective proof the two should always be separate, in fact, they're such strong proof of that I don't think that non-atheist statesmanship should even be allowed.
Furthermore globalist ideology isn't even all that leftist, there's no reason a leftist has to buy into sucking refugee dicks especially when those refugees come from ass-backward theocratic states and want to spread their garbage religion to people emotionally weakened by poverty.
This atheist is voting for The Donald and there's nothing soft-on-religion faggot leftists can do about it. Fuck white guilt, fuck SJW, fuck Germany.
>>709927249
age doesnt matter young kids who are atheist have already proved they know better then a 30 year old west boro guy
>>709927249
k sure
I am nothing, not even an atheist, I don't really care either way.
I am just a bimbo sissy slut :3 Thinking is not for me, ignorance and happiness is for me.
I find it funny that Christians get mad over me sucking dick.
>>709927316
test it out and we will see if it works
>>709927372
そうですねえ。
>>709927397
Yeah.
More on CERN and this collective or family?
>>709910662
As a person who knows a bit about the historicity of Jesus and is an atheist, this is completely false. In fact, the gospels in the modern bible are pretty close to the original gospels. What should be called into question is the chronology and contradictions between the gospels and the epistles.
>>709924740
That is not a quote from Marcus Aurelius, nor is that a depiction of Marcus Aurelius.
That is Marcus Aurelius Severus Antoninus Augustus, otherwise known as Carcalla, while the Marcus Aurelius you're thinking of is Marcus Aurelius Antoninus Augustus, who did not say that quote and was most definitely not an atheist.
>>709927446
atheism is a lack of belief if you lack belief you are atheist it doesnt matter if you want to be part of the "cause" or whatever but a lack of belief classifies you as an atheist
Have the atheists already invented a machine which can alter course and events including the Bible?
>>709927365
this can't be real.
>>709927571
wouldnt the person making the comic to mock the atheists be the asshole?
>>709927830
atheists think different, they arent one mass bruh
>>709927886
The truth knows no sides
atheism, zone of the most annoying and stupid people ever...
>>709927979
see this pic >>709926942
>>709915960
What made you want to post that?
>>709926942
just cuz u r like every1 else, doesnt mean u r right
>Atheism
>>709925115
>exept there's no evidence for evolution, take a look for yourself.
I've been looking for 20 years, and there's plenty of evidence that evolution happened and is still happening.
Interestingly, there's a protein in your cells called HSP90, for Heat Shock Protein and it's what's known as a "chaperonin". Under normal circumstances it ensures that the strings of amino acids produced in the cell using DNA/RNA for instructions are folded up into the correct 3d shape. This folding is very important - CJD is a result of a misfolded prion protein. As it's name suggests, though, HSP90 will change jobs under a temperature shock and start protecting cells from heat damage. This can allow misfolded proteins to slip through the safety net, and this allows mutations that have been hanging around for thousands, even millions of years to be expressed. This may be part of the explanation for the way life springs back from global catastrophe with many strange forms, such as in the Cambrian explosion.
Considering that we're currently in the middle of a mass extinction, while at the same time the climate is warming we might start seeing these mutations arising sooner than we think.
As for evidence, I recommend "Why Evolution is True" by Jerry Coyne. It's a good introduction to the science.
>>709915447
its a nigger just rape her
>>709927597
I guess I am atheist then, I can't defend it though.
>>709928058
im just saying we arent exactly one idea one movement.
>>709927365
Im actually atheist too and just wanted to poke fun at your needless complex text on this designated shitflinging board.
Didnt read too long lol.
>>709928201
could you defend your ideas before?
>>709928042
We had atheists and christians coexist in europe pretty well until the americans found atheism as new progressive retardry to obsess upon with shitty bullshit like that you linked.
Why do we have to copy you everytime?
>>709925430
And the difference? Scientists kept up their observations and changed their opinions to fit the facts. Don't see many religions doing that.
>>709928478
american atheist here, wasnt there some tension between extreme leftist atheists known as communists and christian countries in europe or something?
>>709909441
never thought of that, nice
>>709906479
gaddammit leave that shit alone because we just have to keep quiet while religion phases out over time
>>709928813
Also, consider this:
>if Satan 'punishes' bad people for doing bad things, while God sits there and just lets it all happen,
>does that mean Satan is actually the 'good guy?'
>>709926494
Welcome.
I try to learn something new every day if only to remind me how lucky I am that I can, because I don't live in some sandnigger theocracy.
>>709926942
Saved.
Have one in return.
>>709928665
The godless commis were hated for their antitheism but atheism was already firmly lodged into france so not discredited by it.
Atheism stayed a minority until the wall fell and in many places the commi legacy left many godless.
until 2010 religion was deemed as something very personal here and most atheists respected christian culture to some degree or even went symbolically to church while christians simply didnt gave much fucks about the godless either.
Also people had Islam to rant over when it came ot religious frictions if any.
Then our newspapers suddenly started a gargantuan dawkins hype simultaneous to yours (ok with a year lagging behind because we are slower with copying your trends) followed by talkshows etc.
This made the opposition quiet aggressive again.
Funnily, the strenght and fear of Islam makes people be more respectful about religion again lol.
>>709929120
No cos he enjoys it
>>709918753
Yes.
*I must add
We already had ouspoken atheism in the 20s so the concept of someone not believing wasnt as shocking from the beginning on compared to you guys were it caused huge controversities in the current century.
>>709906607
heh
>>709927489
>>709927830
Why should atheism be tantamount to globalism? The globe is filled with vicious assholes who evolved to be vicious assholes, if their culture is so inferior it can't compete with mine maybe it should just fucking fail already. Crying over every bad thing that happens to people and trying to force it not to happen with no regard to why we aren't in the same situation is stupid, impulsive and masturbatory. The US should drop all foreign aid and spend the money on scientific research to solve the problems the aid money is designed to wastefully and temporarily ameliorate. We should then SELL the technology that solves problems so we can get more money to solve more problems. Also, we should significantly build up our millitary to be completely unbeatable and consistently high tech so that no faggot shit can get in the way. We'll do our science in underground cities during a nuclear winter if that's what it fucking takes.
Here, have a post I made yesterday about white people. I'm white. I like being white.
>>709928345
Nope, you're mad that the sprituality-nationalism complex is the cause of all our problems since the iron age and atheism is the solution. Your culture is weak, irrelevant and will be, at best, preserved in a musem of stupid things we used to believe. We'll put all your homoerotic roman torture device idolatry horseshit next to the treppaning tools and box sets of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.
>>709906479
"Is he neither able or willing? Then why call him 'God'?"
>You shouldn't, cause He clearly isn't.
"Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?"
From man. The creation with free will.
Honestly, this is the dumbest anti-deist argument ever.
>>709906479
gore them then, arguing makes fanatics only harder
>>709927510
And the deliberately misleading translations, e.g. in the feeding of the 5000, Jesus starts off with loaves and "icthus", or fish. After the feeding, the disciples collect baskets of bread and "opsarion", fish that has been preserved by salting or smoking. Read properly it suggests more packed lunches than miracle.
>>709925430
>He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth
circle - 2d
>I will make the descendants of David my servant and the Levites who minister before me as countless as the stars in the sky
as countless. If they believed they r finite, the servants wouldve been as finite
>When he established the force of the wind
force. Photons exert preassure, while being massless. And a simple observation - wind pushes things. Not explained wind is air though
>The sun has one kind of splendor, the moon another and the stars another; and star differs from star in splendor.
Wtf is "splendor" even? Not talking bout differences between properties, talking bout meaning assigned to them by humans.
>What is the way to the abode of light? And where does darkness reside? Can you take them to their places? Do you know the paths to their dwellings?
Which word in here means "move"? And if any, does darkness move as well? Whats the currrent science of darkness?
>He spreads out the northern skies over empty space; he suspends the earth over nothing.
1/11. More talkin bout how god is superpowerful, that he doesnt need to put earth on animals, rather than having science on space vacuum. Show me the part talking bout the vast universe being mostly emptyand why is the earth so special, then? And why have the empty, hostile universe around this 1 planet, if he can do anything?
>The wind blows to the south and turns to the north; round and round it goes, ever returning on its course.
not cyclones - global circulation. So wrong. Also assuming ppl were too dumb to observe tornados. They were, but only on the deserts of middle east.
>The valleys of the sea were exposed and the foundations of the earth laid bare at the rebuke of the LORD, at the blast of breath from his nostrils.
valley - an elongated depression between uplands, hills, or mountains, especially one following the course of a stream.
>>709928201
>I am atheist
A much better way of putting it than "An" atheist, which makes it sound like some kind of club rather than an absence of something - much like "not collecting stamps" isn't a hobby.
>>709930404
So more likely its a desription of the difference between walls of waters and the space between them. Also no mention of its depth.
>To the roots of the mountains I sank down; the earth beneath barred me in forever. But you, LORD my God, brought my life up from the pit.
"i am so powerfull, i took mountains and chucked them into seas/brought so much sea onto a mountain, that the mountain drowned." Not talking bout structures naturally occuring on the ocean floor
>For the life of a creature is in the blood, and I have given it to you to make atonement for yourselves on the altar; it is the blood that makes atonement for one's life.
No mention of health. Lowering blood pressure by bleeding is sometimes necessary - then its called "drain". And current science doesnt say blood is source of lifeand health. It says its an important component in organisms.
>Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
Yeah, the invisible bits were words. Do u see sound? Is sound atoms? R words atoms?
>Have you journeyed to the springs of the sea or walked in the recesses of the deep?
"did u go to the source of the sea (like a river, or did u see sea springing otherwise) or explored canyons?" No talk bout termal vents or seas springing out of extra sea springs.
result: 1 guess.Out of 12.
denied, sit down
man, you neckbeards are going to lose your fucking mind when your dying and get taken on the craziest fucking DMT trip a person can have. Maybe you can find a way to remove that gateway, since you dont believe.
>>709918753
get
>>709932775
There is no proof dmt is released on death
>>709934822
Kek
>>709927489
I'm not lying, this is literally me!
>>709934822
lmao underrated
