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>>709688013
Ha! Retard.
>>709688013
anarchism is stupid and unsustainable.
>>709688131
can you explain why?
If you got anything else you need to get off /pol/
>>709688605
liberal fags don't belong on /pol/, you faggots have /b/ as a containment board
>>709688595
I'm sorry, but what is this a reference to?
>>709688207
Monopolies and Companies have nasty tendencies to take advantage of poor people. You need strict antitrust anti-monopoly laws, just look at the coal mines in Pennsylvanian, that's what happens when the goverment leaves companies alone, Also unregulated free trade laws are dangerous, And we need united foreign policy laws to protect the people from foreign powers .
>>709689238
Government is the biggest monopoly possible, having control over a variety of things and strict rules on no competition. The only reason why harmful monopolies exist is because of government regulation that prevents competition, otherwise if they were abusing customers enough, a competitor would emerge and take over the market, I don't know about the specific case of Pennsylvanian mines, but I can do some quick research in a minute. What would be the danger if we did not have a united foreign policy?
I'm responding fast and doing research now but sending this before the thread dies.
>>709689238
On the "History of anthracite coal mining in Pennsylvania" wikipedia page:
They received a charter from the Pennsylvania legislature giving them the right to improve navigation on the Lehigh River, which effectively granted them a monopoly over the Lehigh.
Emphasis on legislature giving the exclusive right to the river
>>709689919
what would you call yourself and what country are you from?
>>709689505
Government has it's power checked by the people and other branches of government. I live in a former coal mining community in PA. and it was a horrible horrible monopoly that eventually lead to a rebellion that was quelled with alot of bloodshed. They had their whole lives government by a company, the only way the miners could of gotten the government to notice was by unionizing and stopping production. It's sad but that's what happens when companies go unchecked by goverment
>>709690112
governed*
>>709688013
Just did it and got this.
>Inb4 progressive retard
>>709690112
Government could have its power checked by the people if they were given accurate information and were not educated by the government to support everything it currently does.
On the mining issue, if the workers of the company had better options besides working for this company, why didn't they take them? And if they didn't, all that the mining company is doing is keeping them off of the streets, also, this appears to be a case where you could say that the government did not do its job.
I am not against unionizing, as it is the voluntary association of people, working for a common cause, I see no problem with this and support people who do and don't want to be a part of a union.
>>709690332
why so far left, but not very far down? I rarely see people that far up who are for so much economic regulation, can you explain where these stances come from?
>>709690599
full retard anarchist mode? don't worry, you'll grow out of it once you get a job
>>709690719
I do have a job, so....
>>709690494
>If they weren't educated by the government
Then whose gonna educate them? Themselves? I don't think so.
>>709690028
classic libertarian and im from the UK
>>709690599
>>709690941
then please explain your views and why you hold them, I have rarely seen somebody explain their views when they are similar to yours besides "all power dichotomies are wrong"
I am legitimately curious
>>709690494
I am not sure how government could be checked by the people, mob rule has a nasty tendency to be unproductive and dangerous to itself and everything around it. The checks our government has currently are about the best connection we the common folk could safely get.
The mining company took advantage of unskilled Irish/dutch immigrants during a depression. They moved the workers to remote (for the time) Pennsylvanian and invented their own currency to keep the miners dependent under appalling working conditions. They paid the miners less than could live on forcing them to take on debt. It was disgusting. Today it has not changed much we have just made it harder for them to take advantage and keep us poor
>>709691020
what is "classic libertarian?" To my understanding libertarian was /originally/ used to denote what would now be called "libertarian socialists" what are some of your specific views on issues facing the UK today?
>>709690990
you act like prior to government education there was none
and I swear to god, if I have to tell google what is a store front one more time, I'm gonna make Columbine look like a fucking joke
>>709690028
and i basically dont care about what others do as long as it doesnt affect me. in terms of the goverment, i think that they should provide basic services such as free health care, transport etc but anything else can be up to corporations (although goverment should lightly regulate them just so they dont fuck over any people)
>>709691354
>UK fag here
heres your answer >>709691418
just to add. i dont think we should be buy nukes. im on the fence about brexit. i voted to stay but its hilarious how the government here literally has no plans and europe is trying to dump us asap
I don't know about politics
>>709691418
okay, thanks
>>709691269
is democracy not just one big mob rule? Also, I don't think we have "the best connection with the common folk." has there not been times where it has been much better?
And on the mining company, is it the one I mentioned >>709689713 or is it another, and what about my mentioning of the mining company only providing another option?
>>709691649
I honestly don't even know how you managed to pull this off, I almost respect you for it, god bless your normie soul
these store fronts on CAPTCHA will be the end of me
>>709691108
I see capitalist ownership as using the workers as disposeable resources.
Use them until they are injured, and then toss them to the side.
Also the fact that profits are put first ahead of human well being (Like the Dakota Access Pipeline)
And then with the actual Statelessness.
That mostly stems from what I have seen with the use of force on peaceful groups. Like the the Water Protectors with the NoDAPL Protests over the past few days or the Normalistas in Mexico this past year or so
>>709691748
It was called the anthracite coal strike of 1902
>>709691748
Well we have representatives in congress or "mob". And they are supposed to fight with logic and voting rather then pitchforks
>>709690582
I'm not a political expert so excuse me if I'm wrong or I contradict myself but I'll try to explain. I hate the right wing capitalism retardation that slowly wrecks the poorer people in society. We need a controlled, socialist market but what we definitely do not need is a retarded anarchy that has people smoking weed and having child sex like this retard >>709690599
The more detailed graph says the position I'm in is Social Democracy and I'd say that sounds about right. Democracy needs a left wing economy to work properly. That's my opinion sorry if I'm completely wrong I really don't know what I'm talking about.
>>709691996
If you want workers, it is generally best to keep them healthy, as then you don't have to find new workers, and if you are just destroying workers, new workers will eventually find out if you do it enough and will likely not work there, leading to even more costs to hire new workers, etc. so I don't know how that happened.
Isn't the US/Canadian government involved in the construction of the DAP, and they are the ones granting them the land?
And it is the police raiding the Water Protectors, and I don't know the specifics of this case, but there are 3 possibilities:
1. This is privately owned land and they are the owners, protecting it from the government using eminent domain
2. This is privately owned by people other than the protesters, in which case they are trespassing and should be removed
3. This is government land, in which case they shouldn't own it and are likely breaking their promises to the people as, likely, when they first took the land they claimed they were doing it to protect it from damage.
STORE FRONTS
>>709692307
No ser, conservatives don't hate poor people, they're just smarter/pragmatic then most and can see the logic behind the actions.
>>709691649
Liberals are the worst kind. They're just so... neutral. In the case of Mr Cregg (pic related) he's so on the fence that he just sides with whoever's winning.
>>709692307
the reason we're all here is because we admit that we may be wrong.
What is a "controlled, socialist market" would be my first question to you.
>>709692854
I don't really know tbh. I just want left wing economy but not anarchy.
>>709692780
Is this sarcasm?
>>709693222
Check 'em.
>>709693162
is a "left wing economy" one where some services are socialized, (eg. police, courts, military, schooling, healthcare, welfare) and the rest is left to the market that is regulated? Am I close or way off?
>>709692668
From what I recall, the Federal Gov't instructed the DAP builders to build around the lake in a 20mi radius. (But it appears that is being ignored by the workers)
From what I see of the current raids against the Water Protectors, it seems that 1 is the case.
They occupied a piece of land that they claim was never seceded to the Feds.
And about the workers .
We do have some protections in place now, but management can find workarounds. If the means of production where in the workers hands, they would naturally take care of their co-workers, as it would be in their best interest to make sure they have a healthy workforce to keep production rolling.
Also, if a product is no longer needed, the working body of the plant should be able to choose to cease production of that product, and regear for a actual practical product.
(Obviously heavily simplified, but you have an idea.)
>>709693371
Left wing economy could be where everything is Socialized aswell.
With communal ownership of the means of production.
>>709688334
Seems pretty spot-on to me. I probably drift in and out of acceptable zone depending on the topic
>>709693583
On the first half:
The government has failed to enforce its rules, while attacking people who rightfully own land, I don't know how anybody could support any part of this, and I do not defend the government and their lack of regards for property rights.
Now, the second half:
Does the company not want to take care of its workers so that they don't have to have people leave for being sick/have to hire new workers?
And if the product became worthless, wouldn't the company cease the production of it anyway and make a product that is useful, as this would be in their own self interest?
I'm sorry if I'm too retarded to see that that was part of what was simplified and that I couldn't understand.
>>709690332
Hey there - we appear to have pretty similar views xD Can't say I ever considered myself being that far 'left' but I do feel pretty borderline liberal/authoritarian so that's pretty accurate.
>>709688605
Libtards college-un-education blinds them from the fact that they are only "liberal" towards matters that agree with their out-of-touch fantasist ideals.
>>709694121
Finally someone gets it.
>>709693842
How is that any different from simple socialism, I don't know how that is a market.
>>709694121
This isn't meant as an insult, but how do you defend such an obvious disregard for non aggression and people's right to self ownership?
>>709694121
Less capitalism but stay near the middle. Perfection.
>>709694166
I'm in college and in a centrist, right leaning after this election cycle started.
>>709694362
>I don't know how that is a market.
It could be that the means of production are owned by the workers, but the product is sold on the open market
>>709694466
Why can't people have social freedoms? Is it because of your religious beliefs or something else?
>>709694514
That makes sense, I may be partially retarded. Is the selling of products on the open market the means by which market signals can be sent so that the economic calculation problem can be solved in a way?
FUCKING STORE FRONTS
>>709694362
Well, I actually don't oppose self ownership. A little background:
I live in the UK and have a Geography BA (Hons) degree focused on human geography, including economics, globalisation, geopolitics and such.
I'm actually very pro government, pro corporations/TNCs and pro capitalism/globalisation. At the same time, I believe all three need to be regulated and monitored for both social and environmental reasons.
I actually supported the UKs role in Iraq and Libya, while believing we should have engaged in the Syrian conflict a lot sooner.
I think I was put in this political 'region' for some fairly social views such as not caring about abortion or homosexuality?
Sorry, i've actually never done that test before.
>>709694822
I'm also very pro social services such as the NHS, disability benefits ec, but velieve they're managed very badly/inefficiently.
wat dis
>>709694513
I'm not bashing all students, I went to college too, but when you think of dumb liberals, they usually went to college and got seduced by these illogical fantasies. I'mm over-generalizing, sure. but this is /b/
>>709694088
>I'm sorry if I'm too retarded to see that that was part of what was simplified and that I couldn't understand.
Im kinda tired as well, so I may be explaining it in an absolutely retarded way. Kinda typical when I am half asleep
On the first bit.
Basically, the local Police has even been caught lying on what level of force they used. (Claimed no Tazers were used, but footage clearly shows its use.) Reports have surfaced of possible live ammo use against horses and their riders.
Also, It seems as if the Feds basically claim that the land is private now and owned by the builders or Feds. While the Natives claim that they never seceded the land to begin with.
And in this case, Direct Action must be used. Its the only way shit will get done. Actually disrupt construction of the pipeline.
Second bit.
Most of that bit with not taking care of workers I would say stems for managements belief that they can simply hire new workers if the old are used up.
And the product worthlessness bit is mostly just an example of workers jointly making a decision that benefits them aswell as their factory
>>709694362
Self ownership just leads to more class difference and poverty. It has nothing to do with aggression. Everyone needs equality but also order. But not too much order.
![chart[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/URNIEQ9.png "chart[1].png")
ok
Anyone scoring significantly in the upper two quadrants is a cuck.
>>709695059
Classical Marxist
usually get dead center or slightly left center, meh
>>709694764
>Social freedoms
Not all social freedoms are good so they must be stopped. Besides, just because the government bans weed or Anal or whatever it's not going to ruin you. I do so have religious biases but even if I wasn't religious my views would still be very similar.
>>709694822
I'm talking about self ownership in regards to the right to the fruits of your labor, the test isn't perfect, but it would indicate that you believe in a strong welfare state with sections of the economy socialized, is that wrong? Why do you support the recent interventions in the middle east? And yes, this test isn't perfect for odd combinations of views, it works better when people have a more common set of beliefs, once I saw a "ethno-anarchist," whatever that is, that was near the center, so the test isn't perfect.
>>709694997
How would you prevent the inefficiency when it simply being a part of the government almost encourages it?
>>709695059
see
>>709688116
to get an idea
>>709695315
Part 1: I completely support these people's right to defend their land with force, as I believe most people would, the issue appears when the government claims to have a right to all land when they deem it appropriate, which is what is causing this issue, I think that we agree that the private owners should have complete control.
Part 2: I work in a town that has a large manufacturing block that is essentially keeping it alive, I have never seen this company destroy workers just to hire new ones, and it is easy to see why, it would be incredibly inefficient.
>>709695406
>>I am the moral arbiter of this world and decide how much order and equality there needs to be in the world
Fuck you a thousand times you fucking jew.
>>709694997
True Dat. UK social services are pathetic. Speaking from personal experience and second hand experience of mental and physical care sector. Stuff is a nightmare to work in.
>>709695504
Guess I should read up on Marxism then
>>709695820
>Part 1: I completely support these people's right to defend their land with force, as I believe most people would, the issue appears when the government claims to have a right to all land when they deem it appropriate, which is what is causing this issue, I think that we agree that the private owners should have complete control.
I would say the land is only Private in the way that the natives control that land. But probably, like most native tribes, would be communally used.
But yea, the laws only apply to the feds when they decide they do. It's just is what ever benifits the elite. Not the common folk
>Part 2: I work in a town that has a large manufacturing block that is essentially keeping it alive, I have never seen this company destroy workers just to hire new ones, and it is easy to see why, it would be incredibly inefficient.
I've seen it where I am. I know people who were tossed aside for those reasons
>>709695406
And the issue with class difference is? And do you not think that people would create their own order?
>>709695419
wow, I have never seen a thread like this with so many people in the red/high green, has something changed around here? I know I've been gone for a while, but this is weird.
>>709695443
how about instead of ad hominem, we try to debate them?
>>709695673
what has changed recently? has it been US elections?
>>709695808
Why should weed and anal be illegal, I don't see massive societal harm being done by them, and even here I am giving you the assumption that the government should have power in these areas.
>>709696145
Have you not already read up on a variety of philisophical/political ideologies?
>>709696145
May as well. With where you fall, you may end up shifting towards, Marxist-Leninst, Maoist, Trotskyist, Anarcho-Communism, or really any Far-Left position.
>>709695059
>>709694121
>>709690332
SEIZE THE MEANS OF PRODUCTION!
>>709696299
Well, it appears we've came to an agreement on the first issue, and on the second, we're essentially using anecdotes against each other and saying doing it one way is more efficient than the other, so if I can get a break I will try to find more info on that. Thank you for being so civil so far, this has been constructive I believe.
>>709695406
>Self ownership just leads to more class difference and poverty
Poverty is relative. America and other wealthy nations can provide fairly decent welfare to their poor because the rich pay more in taxes. Poor countries have a lower standard of living and less rich people paying taxes (or are still within an informal economy-where a significant percent of people don't pay taxes at all because they can't afford it) so they can't afford to provide to the poor the same level of care that first world countries provide.
>>709696458
Please explain how whatever revolution you want is justified
>>709696493
ayyyy, what would you call yourself?
protip: there is always 4 store fronts
>>709696323
I have, but mostly about nationalsosialism >>709696424
Maybe, time will tell
>>709695968
But if everyone just works together and is equal like things will be gud OK?
![chart[2].png](https://i.imgur.com/TyGyDNa.png "chart[2].png")
What does this mean
>>709696527
Yea, we did on the first.
And the second is really just such a narrow point, that one cant derive any real point from it.
If I was fully awake, then I could probably actually pull some stats and shit. But I dont got time for that
>>709696931
for a rule of thumb, see
>>709688207
or
>>709688116
and just as I say 4 store fronts, they change how the store fronts work
>>709696931
1983
>>709695820
Oh. Well, I don't support a super strong wellfare state. While I believe the unemployed need to be supported by a dole so they can eat and live, I find the system highly flawed when people are almost paid to breed as more children means higher payments.
I'm not in favour of a socialized economy either. I know that a combination of SME's (Small-Medium Enterprises) and TNC's are necessary to create a diverse, stable and more sustainable economy.
At the same time, i'm pro tax. By 'fruits of your labour' i'm not entirely sure what you mean though.
Also, there are several ways to prevent inefficiency. Particularly in the NHS these things include;
- Promotion of nursing/health care courses from a GCSE level and the expansion of apprentiship programs.
- Re-opening dozens/hundreds of smaller facilities across the country that were closed down to condense the health service - a program that failed due to poor management/staffing practices expecting thesame staff to commute impractical distances. this led to mass quitting and the need to import 'substitue' nurses like substitute teachers. This and consultancy is a gigantic money sink.
- Everything from hospital/facility furnishing to food ordering and waste is poorly managed to boot. Staff training needs to be better implimented so people understand how to use the technology and order 10 bags of potato's, not 100 (example).
>how about instead of ad hominem, we try to debate them?
How about instead of going all Socrates on 6 different posters, we try to post our own ideas without using questions as proxies?
>>709697288
what
i'm from brazil btw
people here would usually call me a nazi right winged fascist and other crap
>>709697500
fuck i spilled all of my spaghetii and forgot to attach the image
>>709697288
kek
>>709697389
double kek
Is it just the demographic of /b/ that leads to everyone trending towards Libertarian?
First time ever doing one of these
>>709696931
Jesus christ kill yourself
>>709696323
Ok weed and anal were just me being kind of sarcastic but I do genuinely think that certain "social freedoms" are morally wrong or personally detrimental in some ways. Many drugs for example ruin the lives of people. Now I'm not saying that this happens ALL the time but from my personal experience with the care sector I can say that drugs do completely destroy some people's lives so they should not be used. As for abortion and such that us a very complicated area. I do not believe that any woman should just be able to abort a baby just because "she didn't want it". This kind of behaviour encourages a lack of compassion, responsibility and basic moral values. If a mother can legally kill her unborn child then that's pretty awful. Social freedom is important but people should still be living a healthy existence. I say this not out of the desire to control social freedom but out of the desire to do what's best for others.
>>709697903
what? why, explain
>>709697618
haha, you made me laugh, didnt notice until now that i typed 1983
>>709697965
Top half of the chart is for jews and freedom haters.
>>709696323
Class difference is wrong because the poor are... Well you know... Poor. I have witnessed the separation and issues that a class based society has created and it is not pretty. As for the order thing I actually agree with you on that. If people work together they can form a perfect, cooperative society.
>>709696570
Yet developed countries still have massive poverty.
>>709697971
I assumed that you meant that the political ideology would soon become like 1984.
>>709698220
Not that other gut, but what is your problem with letting people be poor? I don't see any issue with a class based system as long as it is sufficiently fluid.
For anyone who needs a clearer idea.
>>709698465
I wouldn't want to be poor myself so I don't want to sit by and let others be poor.
>>709698554
Kek that's a good one.
>>709697290
/If/ I was in favor of a welfare state, I don't see how you could prevent the encouragement of having children, as any logical system would pay people more for a larger family so that they can support them.
When I say fruits of your labor, I am essentially saying that you own your body and mind, and therefore, you own any rewards that are given to your in return for your labor.
All of your solutions to issues with the NHS would also cost more money and I don't see a reason the managers would ever allow them to be forced to work more efficiently.
>>709697377
I am talking to as many posters as I can so that both I and others can learn as much as we can. I simply view the socratic method as an efficient means to have people see where their own beliefs come from, and it will quickly point out inconsistencies as well as how some things have no basis, if I were to simply state my opinion, (which I try to do along with questioning them) we would just spout things at each other about "I'm right and you're wrong."
>>709697389
1984 joke
>>709697592
wow, that's what a nazi looks like in Brazil, crazy as an American
>>709697837
calling them libertarian is a stretch, they want their parents off their back, but they want their tendies, so they end up lower left
>>709698371
And yet,
>for dollars a day..
You can essentially end poverty in a 3rd world country.
Poverty is still a problem in developed nations. The state (et al.) will still provide decent support for the impoverished in the majority of cases.
Do you think that people who can't work because of a condition that is truly disabling would get federal support in a 3rd world country?
>>709698935
Genuine question: Where would you put real libertarians on the compass?
>>709698767
Just because you aren't happy being poor doesn't mean others aren't. If they don't want to be poor they can just work harder.
I don't agree with the result but whatever
Social libertarian master race at your service
>>709699155
Hmm not all the time. You are right about some but there are some poor people who are poor through no fault of their own.
I guess I'm a special snowflake.
>>709697911
People have a right to their own bodies and a right to fuck up, I have seen people use drugs and be fine, others can't handle it, however, the means by which we handle those who cannot handle it is important, countries like Portugal have shown the decriminalization significantly helps those addicted.
I don't even know where I stand on abortion, but let me play devil's advocate (somewhat literally), does the woman not have a right to her own body and a right to evict the baby. You also assume it is already a child.
>>709698220
I, recently, have came into circumstances where I can meet teen mothers, poor people, people who have been orphans in Eastern Europe, and, barring the last group, it, for the most part is their fault. The government can't make these people more productive, they (often) have been put into both circumstances and made choices that lead them to where they are and I feel like they deserve it in those cases.
>>709698371
compared to the past/developing countries, we have nothing close.
>>709698311
>>709698368
>>709698470
>>709698554
fair enough.
>>709698371
Do they? True poverty doesn't exist here in the US at least.
>>709699364
You're a capitalist that's what you are. Leave.
>>709698935
>we would just spout things at each other about "I'm right and you're wrong"
Is this any different than modern politics?
>>709699434
>You also assume it is already a child.
What? How's it not a child? You know how pregnancy works right?
>>709699349
I've never met someone who was working harder than I am and was still poor. If there is an issue with people being stuck in poverty, then we can make it easier to pull yourself up, but we shouldn't expect to maintain a lavish lifestyle for a significant portion of the population.
>>709699317
>>709698554
FYI you both put "nazism*" in the wrong place
*is national sosialism.
See>>709688116
and possibly: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism
>>709699472
Well I can't argue that point because I don't live in the US but in other developed countries in Europe there's plenty of poverty and deprivation.
>>709699538
Whoops; forgot the thumbnail.
>>709688334
lol only acceptable zone is in right, fuckin bait
>>709699865
Forgot to mention:
Trump is farther left than Killary?
>>709698767
ah, you see, this is why, a long time ago, people created these things called "charity" and "volunteering," however, currently, at least in America, it is mostly those on the right doing these things.
>>709699142
by my definition, bottom-right quarter of the bottom-right quarter, by say the Libertarian party of the USA, botttom right 3/4 of the bottom right quarter, and, in the broadest definition possible, anything south of the equator on the compass.
>>709699317
not gonna deny it
>>709699364
I started like you, you have a long way to go, start reading everything you can get your hands on of all varieties.
>>709699538
no, and that's why I am try to be different, because modern politics seems to be accomplishing nothing good
>>709699691
again, playing devil's advocate, and that was a side point, but generally I call a child one that is born, but act like I didn't say that, it was mostly a snarky comment.
>>709699780
please, tell us how you are the most hardworking person alive and how you're still living in poverty.
>>709699865
gotta be honest, love me my Rand
>>709699918
intersting, what are your beliefs and how do you justify them?
>>709699876
>but in other developed countries in Europe there's plenty of poverty and deprivation.
Which countries?
>>709699918
Actually kill yourself right now you despicable human being.
>>709700000
Shut up you socialist fuckboi. You don't deserve those quints.
>>709699481
I have the same economic philosophy of Angela Merkel, but I just want the government to fuck off a bit. Not really too upset with my results.
Am I normal
>>709700081
Why
>>709700075
UK, Greece, Spain, Turkey.
Wasn't expecting this
>>709691040
There is no left in the United Snakes.
>>709700394
Ooh you're like me but up a bit.
>>709700041
I'm not living in poverty and I'm not the hardest working person. My point was that the only reason for someone in a developed nation to be living in poverty is because they are lazy. I've never met a person who was incredibly hard working and yet didn't have ready access to food/shelter/utilities and some of the amenities of modern life.
>>709699780
The problem with this is that hardworking people who happen to lose their jobs to wherever, will tend to stay in place instead of moving. America (and the world for that matter) has become less mobile. LOCAL (state, county, etc.) ordinances need to be put in place to encourage fresh industries to breathe fresh air into rotting economies with good workers.
>>709700000
sweet, sweet quints
>>709700140
you don't deserve a life faggot
>>709700585
Ye.
>>709700433
You're about 70 years late to the party.
Random tits.
>>709700041
You started like me... Where are you now and what did you change? I read a lot btw (all fiction though).
>>709700701
Trailer trash face/10
Would screw regardless.
>>709700381
>Greece, Spain, Turkey
I can understand these because of the immigration crisis.
The UK has decent (if you can afford the wait) healthcare for its legal citizens.
This is a good thread for /b/ guys I'm impressed you've been going this long. Keep it up.
>>709700701
Not Random. That's a Reagan. And she's trickling down.
>>709700946
>TRUMPED UP TITTIES DOWN
>>709700889
UKs problem is the multiple deprivation council housing projects full of junkies and child beaters.
>>709700000
I was just posting everything I had
>>709700022
I would guess because of views on international trade
>>709700081
again, like I told the other guy, just talk to him about his beliefs, ad hominem goes nowhere fast
>>709700140
same as above, but everybody deserves quints at least once in their life, no matter how bad you are
>>709700381
Issue 1: There isn't "plenty" in any of those places
Issue 2: Greece generally isn't considered "developed" relative to the rest of the world
Issue 3: Turkey isn't generally considered part of Europe, and even if it was, it would be in a similar development category as Greece
>>709700433
I just couldn't believe that Trump is that far right
>>709700544
woops, misunderstood you, sorry
>>709700585
and how do you propose we do this?
>>709700694
after this I'm done with ad-hominem
>>709700701
<3 Faye Reagan
>>709700732
I'm the voluntaryist responding to everything I can, I essentially tried to build a philosical framework from the bottom up (obviously with significant influences from others.) And don't, DON'T stop reading the fiction, but look into classics, especially Russian novels, and some philosophical books
>>709700874
every heterosexual man would screw her when she was like that
>>709700946
Topkek
>Tfw you will probably never be able to use that joke again.
>>709700946
Top zozzle.
>>709700544
You have to also remember that not all states (or counties for that matter) share the same benefits. One county might be able to afford health care coverage for the poor while the next county over might not be able to.
>>709700585
>The problem with this is that hardworking people who happen to lose their jobs to wherever, will tend to stay in place instead of moving.
This is true
>America (and the world for that matter) has become less mobile.
True and unrelated to the above.
>LOCAL (state, county, etc.) ordinances need to be put in place to encourage fresh industries to breathe fresh air into rotting economies with good workers.
Also true but has nothing to do on the national scale.
I don't see why we should put tax money into incentives just so people don't have to move out of dying cities.
>>709700701
>>709701228
>Slowly becoming /b/ tier.
r8 me
>>709701178
>There isn't plenty in any of those places
The Scottish index of multiple deprivation begs to differ.
>>709701558
Bro-tier. Would chill with.
>>709701558
Pretty poor taste tbh.
>>709701277
I definitely think free health care is the way to go, but most people aren't physically incapable of working. My point isn't really valid for those people. Besides health care, everything else isn't really needed. Food and shelter are easy as fuck to obtain, and from there it is just a matter of looking for a job, which is pretty easy.
>>709701178
Which is your political compass?
>>709701569
I should suck your dick I love this so much, thank you
>>709701770
get the higher quality version and quit naming every image images, this is your 12th one
>>709701913
I'm OP
>>709701178
and how do you propose we do this?
>>709701417
>I don't see why we should put tax money into incentives just so people don't have to move out of dying cities.
This is a big problem that politicians will never get around to answering because it tends to move voters away from their districts... You really have to consider the intrinsic value (eligible workforce not working, economic commodities, etc.) of an area and their ability and/or willingness to move to actually make this work.
As much as I tend to dislike tax credits, I'd seriously consider them for areas high in non-skilled labor and low in manufacturing.
Before this thread dies, I'd like to thank everybody who has participated or will participate, this was fun and education for me and I hope it was for you as well, I hope to be able to do this again.
-OP
>>709701644
Jill Stein should be in the red
>>709702292
I literally responded to twelve people in that post, you're going to have to tell me which one you are, we don't have ID's.
>>709702320
I loved it too OP. You gave some really good input.
>>709702320
Goodbye, Original Poster (OP). I hope that you have a good night's sleep.
>>709701908
>I definitely think free health care is the way to go
Absolutely. I think that health is a matter of state importance and should be treated as such. I just dislike the idea of limiting the development of new drugs and treatments.
>food and shelter
It really depends on your area. If you happen to be poor in the city, then you're pretty screwed. Getting a job isn't as easy as it used to be either.
>>709702292
I think we should have incentives to move people out of dying areas instead of incentives to revive them. Would be a better way to get the population back into the workforce. Once an area starts to go seriously downhill economically, it will never truly recover. The crime that poverty breeds will scar the area. Better off just encouraging people to leave the ghetto.
>>709700022
>>709701178
Answered my own question. From:
https://politicalcompass.org/analysis2
>>709702422
>and how do you propose we do this?
was meant to be greentext.
>>709702866
I was talking about the city specifically. Food and money are given out like candy, and there are tons of public buildings/shelters available. Normally there is a pretty decent sized homeless community where you can set up a tent and get pretty easy access to food.
And if you really can't figure it out in your area, you can buy a bus ticket with a day of pan handling.
>>709688013
Summary of my views
> fuck religion, althoguh if you want to beleive in one, so be it
> fuck racism and sexism, everyone is equal
> fuck the governments involvment with my and everyone elses personal life
> fuck buisnesses that succeed by fucking other people over
A quick history of my life's journey so far.
Awful lotta pinko faggots in here.
Seems like a lot of people in here aren't very realistic.
>>709703652
I dont even know what this means
>>709703457
Yes, anon. It's called 'growing up'.
>>709704022
Fucking truth
>>709704022
me on the lower left
>>709703189
Again, it'll depend on your area and its ability to provide healthcare to the poor.
>>709703788
It's the only correct option for a decent endgame.
Blue: Corporations take over and enslave the populace, shitty quality of life all around.
Purple: Muslim terrorists destroy everything, back to the stone age.
Green: Drug use and lazyness run rampant in the populace, terrible society to live in.
Red: Cities of the future, everyone is well off, classy, and living a happy and successful life.
>>709703252
how are people equal?
>>709703252
> fuck racism and sexism, everyone is equal
Lol, even if that is true, which is isn't, why should I have to treat them the same? What about
> fuck the governments involvment with my and everyone elses personal life
Guess my freedom doesn't matter anymore?
>>709698470
explain the libertarian right one
>>709704275
Maybe i didn't word it properly, what i mean't is that no matter race or sex, people should get equal treatment
>>709701178
As much as you have annoyed me, you have been a pleasure to argue and agree with, anon.
Guess my nationality https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-1.75&soc=-1.79
>>709704507
From the government? I can agree with that I guess. From individuals and businesses? Why?
>>709704576
Somewhere in Europe? Sweden?
>>709704022
More or less.
>>709704452
>Guess my freedom doesn't matter anymore?
How did you arrive with that conclusion?
>>709704452
typical patriotic shill.
>>709704576
>https://www.politicalcompass.org/yourpoliticalcompass?ec=-1.75&soc=-1.79
Gary Johnson?
>>709704452
>i'm better than everyone else
I'm sorry, anon, but if you have to spell it out like this, you're probably not.
>i'm a child
You're just as protected as anyone else, shitlord.
>>709704793
Assuming you mean to legislate how me or my business has to treat people. If not, I don't see what it has to do with politics.
>>709704859
What the fuck does that even mean?
Trump for Emperor
>>709704452
You have the right to not do so, but i have the right to go fck yourslef.
And i mean't the whole government this as in, if i want to take a drug for personal use, and i am not harming anyone, then i should have the right to do so.
So actually i am FOR freedom, so i have no idea what yhe fuck you are talking about
>>709688013
Fuck you OP
>>709704625
From individuals i think that free speech is important, if someone wants to say some rasist shit then they can.
From buisnesses i think thaf it is different, it is kind of a grey area, i think there should be some sort of regulation on larger buisnesses, however when it comes to smaller local buisnesses they should have the right to do so.
>>709705177
>implying being right at all is acceptable
Please get off this meme, anon.
>>709705520
Why do we need to regulate business? The invisible hand of capitalism is there to do that. Any business that decides to eliminate a large portion of their consumer base is going to fail.
>>709705520
you think businesses should have their free speech limited?
>>709705765
>invisible hand of capitalism
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Anon, you are either a fantastic troll or a complete retard/
>>709705758
>>709705863
Businesses aren't people.
>>709705122
>Assuming you mean to legislate how me or my business has to treat people. If not, I don't see what it has to do with politics.
You stated that you don't know how your freedom doesn't matter with regards to the statement of "fuck the goverments [sic] involvment [sic] with my and everyone elses [sic] life".
I'd say that I'm overall against over-regulation of business, but basic literacy should come standard with any business.
>>709705982
>implying being authoritarian is acceptable
Kill yourself. anon.
>>709705938
To be fair, there are people out there who think this way and they aren't (necessarily) incorrect.
>>709706074
are you retarded? can you not read?
>>709706010
inb4 learn how to speak Amurikan.
>>709705765
Again for me its a grey area, put it this way:
Lets say you want to get internet, and the only affordable isp in your area will not give it to you because they don't like people who are catholic (lets say you are for this example) how would you feel?
I think that for big companies which in many ways play an important part of society should serve evryone that is part of thag society.
Howver a local buisness such as a bar should have the right to do so, since it doesn't really affect many people.
>>709706145
If you actually think the free market can in any way correct itself to a capacity that actually makes a large-scale difference, then you have no idea what the fuck you're talking about. Period. The free market is a giant crock of shit if it isn't regulated, because human greed is, surprise surprise, a thing.
I'm not an anti-cap fag, but shit, people who think the market can correct itself need to be beaten senseless with a claw hammer.
>>709706010
I was saying the statements were contradictory. I agree that the government shouldn't be involved with my life, but don't see how you can reconcile that with legislating how I treat people based on their sex/race.
>>709706180
Yes, jewnon, I am in fact retarded. Allow me to use all of my tard strength to skullfuck you into oblivion.
Love you.
>>709706305
>the only affordable isp in your area will not give it to you
Another isp will open and sell to all of the catholic customers. After all they don't even have to fight the other business over them.
>>709706305
so if the business is large enough and the supply is scarce enough it should have less freedom and people should have a right to their services?
>>709706697
>>709696931
>>709699918
>>709703457
>>709703468
>>709705191
>>709706363
mein nigras
>>709706000
Don't be disingenuous
>>709706000
They are owned by people who should be able to do with them what they please, including using them to put out a message.
>>709706744
Yes think of it as, it is less freedom for one individual (buisness CEO, or whoever wants to discriminate) and a shitton more freedom for anyone who was being descriminated against.
>>709706422
>I know so much about the market
>>The market CAN and WILL correct itself (within a reasonable understanding).
The absolute best strategy in investments for the beginning investor is to invest the majority into foreign markets, put the rest into a national index and then diversify with REIT's.
This way, you aren't trying to try to psychoanalyze (which is 80% bs to begin with) the market and will generally beat the market after 20+ years.
>>709688013
I consider anybody on the bottom half an ally. I may be libertarian left, but I'd consider someone who is libertarian right sensible over anyone on the top any day.
>>709707280
What the fuck kind of argument is that lol?
How about we say anyone is legally allowed to kick you specifically, only you in the balls.
Then the only one losing any freedom is you, and every person in the country gains a freedom.
>>709707280
that's not a good justification . also, why do you think anyone has a right to trade with or receive services from a business
>>709706739
There are many things, specially in rural areas which aren't easily available, for example when it comes to internet a lot of people only have one company to choose from. The same goes for many things like banks and gas stations
>>709706462
>but don't see how you can reconcile that with legislating how I treat people based on their sex/race.
You should be able to treat different peoples however you want. The question is if politicians should be able to make these laws applicable to all.
>>709688013
>purple quadrant master race.
>>709707415
people always argue between the left and the right, when really the most important part is top/bottom
>>709707513
One thing is being kicked in the balls, which is assault and illegal, the other thing is someone being black, or muslim, which is not illegal. Completely differnet fucking things
>>709706925
Congratulations on shaking the EU, best of luck to you and yours anon.
>>709707555
Right, because there is no incentive for anyone to come in and compete, the market is too small to try and steal customers from the existing business.
If there is nobody to compete with over a subsection of the market, you have that portion guaranteed. You don't have to worry about competition in a small market.
And assuming that you are the lone catholic in a small rural town, and no business is going to come in just to have you as a customer, maybe you should move to the fucking city where there aren't redneck motherfuckers who hate catholics.
>>709700433
If you believe this placement is correct, i got a pile of shit to sell you too.
>Political Compass is a push poll that biases takers to green quadrant, then pushes all politicians into blue quadrant, with the hopes of getting likeminded radicals in the green quadrant into office.
It is obvious if you are objective with the wording of the questions.
>>709707553
Same reason that people should have the right to have shelter, food, water, internet and basic human needs
>>709708112
how is trading with/receiving service from businesses a basic human need?
>>709708033
You are kidding me right now right? So you are saying, that just because some asshole CEO doesn't want to server you because of you beleifs you should be denied a basic human need such as internet and forced to move to the city?
Would you be ok with that if that was you?
>>709708399
>You are kidding me right now right?
pic
>denied a basic human need such as internet
>forced to move to the city?
jesus christ you're entitled
>>709708341
???? Gas companies, water companies, electric companies, banks, isp, supermarkets. Try living your life without one of these.
>>709707780
You are saying we should make laws which give the most people some freedom.
So I'm saying then we should change the law regarding assaulting you specifically, since it gives more people that freedom.
The point being that the number of people a law affects has nothing to do with whether it is decent in principle.
>>709708112
Why should people have a right to basic human needs?
Green for the money we give to poor people
>>709690599
anacho-bait
Conservatism, nice.
>>709708657
I can live without most of those by going to a different one, and if it's something literally essential like water, if the government wants to make that a human right then they should provide it, not businesses
>>709708655
So let me get this straight, you would be ok if that happened to you?
>>709708399
Yeah, I'd be fine with that. I've moved because I was treated like shit where I was from for my skin color. Best decision I've ever made.
>>709707780
you dont even understand the analogy, the person who would be losing rights is you, and the business, because you're losing the right not to be assaulted, and the business is losing the right to refuse service.
>which is assault and illegal
it's not legal to force people to trade things for money either
>>709703252
t. edgy teenage
>>709708971
no, i wouldnt, doesn't mean it should be illegal. what kind of fucking logic is that?
>>709708896
Welcome to the winning quadrant anon.
>>709688207
Holy shit, they read Der Einzige und sein Eigentum?
>>709707415
This.
I'll never understand people who trend towards authoritarianism. The libertarian right and left should be more willing to work together.
Here is mine.
>>709708928
That is a thing, here in the UK if you are poor, the government will pay for water, gas, electricity, food, internet and a lot more.
The government doesnt provide it themselves, but they pay the companies, who you bet your ask don't even try to deny people just because of their race or beleifs
>>709709294
this
>>709709294
I've never met anybody who actually leans authoritarian. Where are these fucking people? I live in the deep south though, so maybe city folks are just government cucks.
>>709706422
What are 3+ Nobel laureates?
>>709706422
Sounds like you don't understand basic economics bud.
>>709709465
Or maybe we just believe in Liberty and Justice for all
You want a bright future? Make one yourself. I'm not spending my money on someone's drug habit.
>>709709521
>>709706422
Excuse me, btw. If I plus the general consensus of the academic community are in error.
>>709709521
>le smart ppl agree wif me
Einstein called nationalism an infantile sickness, and socialism the inevitable positive outcome of human society. Your argument works against you as well.
>>709709619
I must hate myself
>makes less that $35k/year
>anarcho-capitalist.
Your shit is old and stale.
>>709709660
>liberty
>authoritarian government
Kill yourself you doublethink faggot
>>709709765
And you're a useful idiot
>>709709667
>General consensus of the academic community
>Consensus of the academic community
Wew lad
>>709709785
Liberty as a nation... you welfare monkey
>>709709818
>throws stalinist terms at an an-cap.
Oh, the irony.
>>709709765
>ancap
>>709709660
Who said you have to pay for anyone's drug habit? Or anything for that matter? Authoritarian/Libertarian is personal freedom, not economics bud.
If you are talking about liberty, having the government tell me what I can and cannot do is the exact opposite of liberty.
>>709709931
does this make you feel better, or are you in a race for the gutter?
>>709709927
>someone I don't like used a word
>it is therefore completely invalid
>>709709879
>liberty under a government that literally does whatever it wants
>"muh-muh nation!"
topkek, almost as retarded as ancaps
>>709710010
Are you genuinely an idiot, or do you like big boss cock in your economic ass?
Reminder than anything other than bottom-left is slavery.
Keep on bending over for that fat jew cock.
>>709709879
Who said anything about welfare?
>Liberty as a nation
What the fuck does that even mean?
>purple square
>>709709840
>Wew lad
Really? You have the ability to prove multiple Nobel laureates wrong? Please inform me (and back your beliefs with sources) then on how your beliefs are superior.
>>709710018
you said it, not me.
also you are ignorant to the fact that your stupid claim in your pic would only happen in an-cap, and not in any society.
>legality is no deterrent to a real criminal.
>>709710018
This one always gets me.
>>709710157
ahh, a race to the gutter, i see, well, you win congrats.
Masterrace
Anyone far right is a cuck to mega corps.
>>709709240
>I don't want something to happen
>Companies can and will do this whenever they want to
>"p-pls muh freedom corporate man, please don't evict me and fuck my wife!! I would never legislate against you!"
pic related
>>709703252
The only normal view on this site
>>709710182
"Government Tyranny" is just another word for civil. Put Lawless and Immoral in the bottom two.
Red best.
>>709710182
Truth
>>709703457
>I used to like corporate cock in my ass, but now I'm acquiring a taste for government cock as well
>>709710182
>I'm rich because I made money
>Other people deserve my money that they didn't earn
>I'm totally not a slave
KYFS
>>709710157
>>709710359
stop the pissing match you fucking faggot children, this thread is actually decent
>>709706925
>le one-policy party man
Why is England so shit
>>709707280
This. It's just arithmetic. But it hurts capitalist feelings, and so stormfags and ayncaps set up a safe space for them and viciously attack SJW strawmen, pretending they're attacking genuine leftists.
Fly-on-the-wall no-opinion no-quadrant just-gonna-watch-this-shit-burn master race reporting in. If you treat the world like one big TV show it's pretty damn good programming.
>>709709713
And Hitler said that killing Jews would be best for everyone.
Just because something sounds good, doesn't mean that it will come true.
Einstein was a genius but he was still raised in a certain time that impacted certain beliefs within him.
>>709706422
This.
>>709709627
Looks like you don't know who Keynes is.
>>709707676
pic related
>>709710599
are you actually missing the point entirely?
>>709707415
This. At least under ayncraps we'd have some freedom to assemble and discuss left-wing ideas.
>>709710731
Stop living in a fantasy land. Real life modern capitalism is
>I inherited all my wealth
>I force a bunch of poor saps to make me money and I pay them the bare minimum that I'm legally required to
>I exploit tax loopholes because I can't oull my own weight
>Don't forget: socialism is bad! You don't want to be a socialist do you?
>>709710851
But that's fucking wrong.
See
>>709707513
>>709709140
>>709710921
>Looks like you don't know who Keynes is.
Looks like you don't know how modern economics works.
Keynesian econ still plays a roll, but isn't as influential as you lead on.
>>709705982
>ITT: fashies and ancaps debating whether or not corporate or government rape feels better
lets go boys, love drugs and rock and roll
>>709711344
>Doesn't support government rape
>Leftist
Pick one
>>709711344
Incoming salty bootlickers, comrade.
>>709711175
Basically this
>>709711175
Spot on
>>709711466
>what even is anarchism
>>709711242
>leaning to the right in any way is unacceptable
this is objectively tumblr tier shit
