>tfw ontario might be implementing a basic income of 22k a year
>tfw I work full time and only make 18k a year
>tfw I'll finally be able to eat proper food
Any other ontariofags excited about this possible basic income change?
I'd consider moving there from Alberta to leech if they introduced this
Which is part of the reason that it's such a terrible idea
Canada seems much better than America. I wonder if I can move there? I'm in Alaska so its a short trip
>>709530427
For people like you who work a job it's a good idea but for welfare bums and disability bums it's a horrible idea
This country is horrible for paying people who work full time such a low wage that they can't afford basic necessities to have any quality of life. I worked in a factory for 3 years and everyone there was on the verge of homelessness despite working 45 hours a week
Ontario is broke and this is what wynnebag comes up with, I miss Harris
>>709530427
>22k a year
>lmao
That's still absolutely nothing
>>709531190
It's a hell of a lot to me when I'm busting my ass to make 18k a year. 4k more makes it a whole different life
Let's give the people who choose not to work because they're lazy 3rd generation welfare recipients another reason not to fucking work.
Fuck this plan.
>>709531310
They shouldn't be giving it to people who don't work. They should be giving it to people like me who work full time and still don't make 22k a year
>>709531246
just get a better job
>>709531636
Shut up
>>709531636
Then only jobs I can get around here pay around the same wage
>>709531636
>just get a better job
this strawman is literally a kick in the balls.
>>709530659
>implying they would let an albertan who doesnt pay ontarian taxes use this program
stay in alberta bro
>>709531310
Not at all. I'm a full time student from an upper class family and I would totally support this. Life should not be about slaving away at a shitty job you hate to barely get by. With the introduction of robotic taking over much of menial industry jobs in the future this will absolutely be necessary.
>>709532317
>implying 22k a year is a lot
>>709532263
You don't need a passport to travel between provinces. An Albertan today can be an Ontarioan tomorrow.
>>709530427
Fucking peasant. I'm fucking sick of getting taxed damn near %40 on my cheques so I can help out lazy underachievers and immigrants in this country. Go get an education and earn your own fucking money.
>>709532609
I'm not implying that at all. 22k is not much but it is definitely enough to have a roof over your head and other basic necessities. You won't be buying luxury items but you won't need to slave away and be depressed.
>>709533043
I get taxed out the ass as well and I make fuck all, they take almost a quarter of my pay, try making 480 before taxes and ending up with 375 each week
So Ontario job situation is that bad huh
I don't see how this will change anything unless you live in the middle of nowhere. What will happen in the larger cities, GTA/Ottawa/Hamilton and such would mean that companies would have to increase prices on their goods for the increase in salary.
>>709531310
You should look into Universal Basic Income dude, it's actually a great idea.
>>709530780
except that ontario is on the side of the country,
>>709533266
Nah the jobs just pay so little that people can't eat properly therfore they're in the hospital taking up even more tax dollars than what giving everyone 22k would be
That's literally why they are thinking of making the basic living income
>>709532263
>being this fucking dumb
gtfo of ontario
>>709533372
I am a student who is in hopes of part time jobs coming to Ontario. Would you advice me to come or nah
>>709533372
Also the severe mental issues that come along with always stressing out about money means less people in psychology wards using up more tax dollars
>>709533043
Yeah, Qc here...I'm around 43% with this fucking bullshit province and the generational welfare attitude.
>>709533266
I live in ontario and have not had a job for 5 years.
>>709533372
You're just in a shit line of work, get away from the shit retail jobs.
>>709533043
Ontario doesn't tax 40%, heck the highest tax rate is 33% and that's if you're making over 200,000 a year
PROTIP from a guy who makes more a month than you do a year. Leave canada. Best decision i made. SO many more opportunities in L.A or New York. Trust me
>>709533551
How the fuck do you survive and what part on Ontario
>>709532780
>>709533456
Are you guys retarded or what?
I live in Ontario, tell me how you are going to apply for your free 22k when you have zero proof of ontario taxes being paid, zero proof of prior residency, zero proof of employment, and zero proof of anything else tied to Ontario.
>idk what kind of mickey mouse provinces you faggots are from, but over here we have technology and money and we arent in the 1970s lmao
>>709533893
My wife is a dental assistant, and was in brantford now in woodstock
>>709533043
With federal tax I'm pretty much at 50%, gross of 130k in Sask.
>tfw u make 6 figures and it's still hard to buy a decent truck
>>709534012
Did you not get a job or do you not want to work because i am coming to Hamilton i am shit scared i won't get jobs now
>>709533978
>move there
>provide proof of residency
>>709533787
I'm from Alberta and when I bust my ass for 70 hours a week. I get taxed probably more than you would make in a month and it's sickening. There's not incentive to work hard in this country anymore. The more i make, the more I get taxed and I'm still left with the same amount in my account at the end of the year.
>>709534088
Do you plains fags file 2 tax returns too? I thought us Quefags were the only ones.
>>709534290
Working in the west coming from the east I've come to realize a sad fact about the western Canada dream: I'm taxed more in the west than I made gross in the east.
>>709534235
Had a job, suffered from anxiety and depression, makes it hard for me to look for a job.
>>709534274
>being naive enough to believe a non-ontarian would be eligible for the goods
>kek
if your records from the past few years aren't in order you can't even get a health card in Ontario, you need to prove you have paid taxes, live here, worked here, and intend to be here for YEARS, no joke, to get your health card for free health care.
>Believing you can waltz in to glorious Ontario without having paid your dues
live here for ~4-5 years THEN they will accept your proof of residency alone, then work for that same amoun of years and pay taxes to the ont govt for that same amount of years...
then maybe, lol.
>>709534481
You're the problem. Little whiny faggots that should die off a la Darwinism. It's called living, and every single person in the world can manage to do it, so why can't you? Quit being a leach
>>709534290
It's nice that you assume that you make so much more then i, and welcome to a socialist democracy? Getting heavily taxed for doing a shit ton of overtime isn't so much a negative for the employee but more so for the employer. Mainly so they hire others to fill in those hours.
>>709534604
Bullshit I got it in a week.
>>709534481
So thats it. You gave me shocks thought i would never get a job there
>>709534604
Well, I guess only time will tell if this system can be gamed, or if they are infallible. We'll see.
>>709534361
Nope I only do one a year.
I don't give a shit. I make 55k a year.
>>709534709
>bullshit I got it in a week
mb the guy behind the counter thought you were cute, idk, that being said you DO need to provide all of those pieces of evidence to get your shit renewed... even as a lifelong ontarian.
Imagining anyone could walk in and get 22k no problem is laughable
>>709534767
Definitely not infallible, of course not, but probably not just as easy as "Hey I am here!"
>>709534674
At least I'm not leaching of the gov, moron. My wife goes to work while i sit at home and game, you mad bro? Lol
Anyone around Hamilton? whats the place like for partying or clubs etc
>>709534704
I made 156k last year. I might be lucky to see 100k this year because of the slump in oil and I'm willing to bet I won't clear 100k ever again in Alberta thanks to the NDP plan to piss away our resources and pay other provinces to supply our energy. So you know what? Fuck it. I'm going to go on welfare. I've worked enough in this life and I'm "sad" and "depressed"
>>709534750
Well that and the city in live in there are no jobs, I've applied
>>709534911
Getting a job in Ontario for 22k isnt hard if you know who to blow fagget.
I could go there right now and do 100k. I just don't wanna be working with family.
If u have noone in that province ur a stray dog in china town. So unlike Sask where I had everything done the next morning and got eligible for a 10k tax break for professional retention even if I didn't train there.
>>709531521
So is it a top up scheme? So you work for your $18k then they sauce you an extra $4000?
>>709535047
>At least I'm not leaching of the gov, moron.
Leeching off the government would be much more respectable than leeching off your wife.
>>709535054
Moved here three months ago.
Hess Village is usually a shit show of university kids, but usually good on weeknights. Places like the Lazy Flamingo, Lou Dawg's, etc. James North is where all the sick bars are like the Brain, This Aint Hollywood and such. Art crawls are mad fun too.
>>709530427
>be op
>from Ontario
>"man i would really like to make more money, but im a lazy fuck."
>"we'll make a basic income of 22k"
>ohsweetdiddlyfuck.eh
>prices of everything increases
>back to square one
You wanna get more money, go work for it /b/ud. Minimum wage is not meant nor was it ever designed to make a living. Don't have credentials to work an actual job? Find out what you need to start to get them.
>deal with it
Is Prostitution and Weed legal or illegal in Ontario
>>709535068
thats good money bro, what are you complaining about
you are crying at making 150k, and then being taxed, idk, a lot of shit is provided for you by the govt, and being taxed that much isnt that fucking unusual if you look around the world, you are a top earner lol..
Everyone just wants more more more, if you really did make 156k you basically make more money than most couples I know in Toronto
>enjoy your opportunity, you are lucky, not a victim
>>709534801
You're fucking lucky. Filing 2 returns is a pain in the ass, and our lovely provincial sales tax (which btw is applied to the gst!)
>>709530427
my ex is from onterio. toronto is a shithole
JUST FUCKING LEAVE CANADA. MUCH EASIER TO MAKE MONEY IN AMERICA
>>709535270
Mate i am German. Talk to me like am European and not Canadian
>>70953397thats big talk from a kid who's been living off our oil revenue
>>709535319
I would if I was smart enough to get a real job, they should make every job a livable wage instead of having people here living off of rice and potatoes
>>709535319
This guy gets it.
>>709535393
THIS
That guys rich as fuck, I make 35k and live just fine
Ontario has more debt than any of state or province in North America. How the fuck does that idiot Wynne think this is good idea?
>>709535430
>Make every job a liveable wage
Before I imply anything, could you clarify what you mean by that?
>>709535319
this
>>709535206
Agreed, unless she's fucking loaded.
>>709535393
Because the cost of living is outrageous here. An average 30 year old house that needs updates is 500k. My mortgage is 2400 a month. And now Trudeau wants to bring in even more skilled migrants to keep chipping away at the middle class income. It's a fucking nosedive to the bottom from here on out.
>>709535068
Ok, you do make more then i, last year i cleared 80k, working 40 hours a week.
>>709535413
Obvious troll is obvious
>>709535338
prostitution operates in semi-legal grey area in pretty much every province
Weed isn't legal in Canada, but Trudeau campaigned on the promise that he would legalize it, so it should be coming one day
>>709535419
What's hard to understand? Hess village is good on week nights, avoid weekends. James North has a bunch of cool bars. Art crawl is a monthly event of artisan vendors on James North.
As for actual clubs that thump 128 BPM all night I guess people like to go to Absynth on King William.
>>709535630
An average detached house in toronto is close/if not a million, try cry/harder.
>>709535785
Would you call it a happening City on what scale of 0-10?
As of now i don't have a car there so is the public transport good enough?
>>709535630
This is why I didn't go to the patch.
Now SK is being run over by rig pigs with big truck payments and a meth addiction.
>>709535630
I mean the housing market is fucked, I live in Toronto, Im 25 and I fucking have no idea how I am going to ever (literally) afford to buy a house in Toronto, they all start at like 600k for literally 60 year old shit houses, I feel your pain man to a certain degree.
All I am saying is, I could make a living off of 156k living in downtown Toronto for myself.
Semi-detached houses anywhere within a 25m drive downtown, $1million+, and now consider that the avg person makes like 40-50k a year in Toronto
>once again you are blessed and you make good money
>>709535393
I agree with you myself. I do well at 96k with a fed gov job. But seeing half go in taxes(and benefits) is fucking depressing. I realize my pension and union dues are deducted, but to see 3600 drop to less than 2000 is tough.
>>709535430
>everyone should make the same
>everyone is equal
>leftist opinion
Why spend the money and take 10 years to be a doctor, when i could flip burgers and make the same wage? Literally idiots that don't understand an economic structure and get frustrated when they don't get their way, are starting to take over Canada and The States. It's pathetic.
>>709535964
You're a liberal aren't you?
>>709535952
Its a growing city. So probably a solid 7/10 now, but will probably jump as the years move forward. I moved here from Toronto.
Public transportation is actually shit here and there are councilors who are trying to stop it from improving. Depending on where you live (up the mountain, stoney creek, westdale, etc) you will be waiting a long time for busses.
>>709530427
>A FUCKING LEAF
>>709535964
is meth addiction new to saskatchewan? I wouldn't be able to tell otherwise.
>>709535699
im not trolling dude. Moving to L.A was the best decision of my life. I make more a month than most people in this thread make a year. im not bragging i'm just trying to make the point that there are way more opportunities in america than canada. And maybe i got lucky idk but i still think it's a good idea.
>>709530427
Be prepared for massive unemployment when all the businesses fold. They are looking into 15 per hr minimum wage and already McD's is investing in automated stores with only a couple of workers as janitors!
http://newsexaminer.net/food/mcdonalds-to-open-restaurant-run-by-robots/
>>709536089
Naw idgaf about politics. I just saw the bubble bursting before I'd want to leave, when I had my chance to go.
>>709535980
He seems butt hurt about the oil prices, Alberta had it good for close to two decades with the oil prices, now that oil sands are to costly to compete with OPEC countries he is upset. Markets rise and fall friend.
>>709536183
Man the first time I tried meth was sask
>>709536203
Paul?
>>709536338
Not surprising. Where I'm from, blow's the big thing.
>take a guess
>>709530427
What do you do for work? What's minimum wage there? 18k seems ridiculously low to me
>>709535980
Yeah. It that's it dude. Everything costs the same if not more ever passing year and our incomes are being destroyed. There's no work and the work there is now, is at half of what I used to make.
>>709530427
>>709530995
Then why not make it mandatory you a average 35+ hours a week at your job to qualify for the handout.
>inb4 companies slash their employees pay.
Give an inch, next they ask for a mile.
>>709536203
what line of work are you in?
>>709531801
Who's fault is that?
>>709535512
All depends on where you live. Find a job somewhere that has a much lower cost of living, I don't understand why everyone wants to live in big shit hole cities full of niggers, ragheads and fucking sjw that attend poetry readings every Thursday. Get a job in a more rural area save up, buy some land, learn some skills and become a fucking man and become self sufficient.
>>709536270
I hope this isnt the new gen of baby boomers out west ;)
>>709536270
Yeah, because everyone in the oil industry has been in it for a minimum of 20 years.
>>709536128
Thanks man you have been of big help and one last thing as a frame of reference lets say i have been to USA so how different is Hamilton etc from say California
i mean like food trucks, breakfast diners or 24 hour coffee shops etc. What are the women like.
>>709536773
Then stop your bitching, same shit has happened to every other industry, auto workers/oil workers and now it's the housing market.
>>709535319
GUYZ I CANT AFFORD MY INTERNET, TIMMYS AND TAKE OUT ANYMORE!!!
FUCK MINIMUM WAGE!
>>709536821
Tons of homeless
Tons of people
It's no utopia.
>>709530427
Where the fuck are they going to get the money from lmao?
>>709536505
idek what you would call it..... music industry i guess?
>>709536821
Sorry to tell you but Hamilton is the armpit of Ontario, it's like Buffalo, NY
>>709536515
Because, hillbilly, no one likes living in rural areas. They're shit-boring and the people are just as terrible, except that they don't respect urban isolation.
>>709530780
we're trying to avoid taking in american economic and political refugees.
if you were syrian it wouldn't be a problem, but you're american.
sorry.
>>709537883
how much do you earn in a month? You've said a few times now that it's more than most people here earn in a year
>>709538366
>american economic refugees
yeah if we go down im willing to bet we take everyone else with us. not bragging, i think its shit that it would happen because my countrymen have let this place get fucked so bad, but its the sad truth.
>>709530427
Any business that cannot afford to pay its employees a livable wage is a shit business, or has too many employees. This is overall a good thing. It might hurt the restaurant industry and a few other, but overall you should be thrilled
>>709538502
It fluctuates a lot. Could be around 20k, could be 200k. Average i would say would probably be around 90-100k
>>709539118
So you earn over $1M/year
what exactly do you do?
>>709531310
Ive always thought this mindset was foolish. How many people become lazy welfare recipients simply because it seems like the only solution to survive? Or because people keep yelling at them and keeping them down
>>709533266
Plenty of jobs throughout Canada, Its just the overwhelming portion pay for shit.
Link please. I make 13000 on ODSP...I could practically buy a house.
>>709539668
>the overwhelming portion pay for shit.
ever notice that the companies that pay worst are american based corporations?
they get away with it because they destroy or ruin local companies to eliminate the competition. they even buy them up and close them if it needs to be done.
then they cut pay to their own staff, because there's nowhere else for the staff to go.
after a while, all they can hire is idiots, malcontents, and foreigners with a dubious grasp of english, and when they fail get the gov to bail them out with sweet bankruptcy packages.
you gotta love american thinking.
>>709539421
like i said it's hard to explain, especially though text lmao. basically i work for and with a bunch of celebrities, mainly in the music industry. Working with celebs is a snowball effect. If you do good other celebrities hear about you and you can make really good money. But of course that works the other way around. If you piss any of them off you're pretty much fucked
>>709541339
It can't be THAT hard to explain the basics. Do you promote their shows? Help them record? Sell them drugs?
>>709536203
this
lived in a number of countries (including the states; also LA) - but from canuckistan
every other country ive lived in has better opportunities
fuck canada, backwards archaic economy
>>709541950
they don't like immigrants too.
>>709542512
immigrants should integrate into our country's customs, we shouldn't be splitting up our community into factions with different cultures
>>709542953
vote CHP
>>709530427
Why tho??
If you make less than 22k a year you get pretty much all your taxes back... and if you're making less than 22k it's either you're a kid, Uni student, on leave, disabled or a lazy fuck.
No adult living in Ontario that is able to work should be making less than 22k. So many jobs out there.
ONTerrible is fucked. Libtards ruined this province.
>>709543530
The current Unemployment rate in Ontario is 6.4
which is pretty high.
>>709541610
yes i sell them drugs. im a ruthless drug kingpin
>>709530427
>not making atleast 60k a year
how do you live?
>>709544257
Either that or a kid on the internet that likes to pretend he earns a bunch of money, despite not even being able to come up with a plausible story how.
>>709543530
$11/hour for 40 hour work week after %15 tax bracket is barely over 19 grand......so these are all the mcdicks ppl or tims ppl you get the idea. There is a large variety of people working these jobs from full adults to students to kids.
Ontario is a fucked province..taxed out the ass on everything, high costs for bills/living expenses. Wynne keeps increasing basic costs & so far see nothing in return
As far as those saying there are plenty of job opportunities here...come to Niagara where its 100 applicants per job opening.
>>709536504
are you retarded?
so only people who don't work get assistance?
so employers should have to hire more people instead of giving people full time work?
would only make the situation work.
this whole thing is about strengthening the middle class.
>>709544848
or im smart and probably shouldnt say what i do so nobody (particularly any celebrities) find out i have visited this godforsaken website
>>709533043
not only
>>709533146
but then there's the fact that those people making so little already get taxed on everything they buy
giving them more spending cash will cause more tax revenue...
I don't understand. They're going to give 22k to anyone under the line?
>>709530427
Canadian welfare state: It's not just for corporations anymore.
>>709530427
And then you'll learn that businesses are allowed to just jack prices in accordance with your raise to keep you eating garbage food-- ultimately you'll be making the exact same amount if not less relative to the price of necessities.
>>709540844
doesn't always work so well.
i.e target.
>>709545865
lol sure kid
>>709538031
Wrong faggot, 10x better, no nigs, towel heads and fuck ups like you leeching on the system. Kys
>>709530427
Free money = inflation. Dipshit. You will be back to eating ramen in no time. They're just buying your vote.
>>709546450
>white hillbilly rage activated
>typical
>get some culture and move to a city
>>709530427
>>709538031
>Millennial detected
>Possible autism
>Needs continual stimulation or stimming as it's called
>15 second attention span
>Lives with parents, no career
>Wears a neck scarf like numale beta cuck faggot
>Saving up for trans gender surgery.
>>709546438
aight. enjoy minimum wage :)
>>709546748
>Lived in big city
>Don't miss it
>Full of estrogen soaked faggots like anon
>Thinks it's intelligent to live close to niggers and mudslimes.
>Libtard weak assed pre-op transgender city dwelling retard rage activated
>Couldn't last 5 seconds without a Starbucks nearby.
>>709536029
he didn't say the same yo ustupid fuck
he said livable.
meaning you shouldn't have to choose between heat or electricity. paying rent or groceries, you should be able to afford those things bare minimum.
gas, electric, housing, etc
>>709535523
because it's been tested with positive results decades ago.
>>709547384
>literally have a good job
>out in the boonies everyone is some old-timey shit profession
>"My Pa is the resident shoe shiner here! Ma is a homemaker for Mr.Brown!"
>My job is literally too good for your piece of shit small town life, could probably buy your town
>not used to being near anyone outside of their own inbred family unit
>not used to being being near different types of people and holding racist views
>can't handle the big city, flees
>welcome to the jungle anon, you are a pussy for running away to the grasslands haha
>>709535997
>nearly 2k a week
people working twice your hours don't get half that.
>>709530427
You do realise that the price of your so called proper food is also gonna increase.
get a real job OP