The Gary is starting to look real friendly now, huh guys?
Soon to be a new record for third party votes.
Hillary's dodgy emails means the left won't vote for Hillary, but they still hate Trump, so Gary gets the vote.
lol no
>>708946644
Calm down OP, you're just having an Aleppo Moment.
>record for 3rd party votes
lol
>>708946644
>Trump's only hope
>>708946644
I'll shit on you, faggot.
Mmm Gary Johnson. For people who think Trump is too knowledgable, Hilary is too likeable, and Stein is too smart.
>Hillary's dodgy emails means the left won't vote for Hillary,
Sorry bud, it aint like that
>>708946644
For freedom!!!!! Anyone who doesnt vote gary hates freedom
>>708947904
>this
No doubt that Hillary is a pretty weak candidate all things considered. Trump is a polarizing canidate, but has fervent support of a sizable minority. The trump voters are die hards. The Hillary voters are open to alternatives. Johnson won't beat trump, but he might siphon enough votes from Hillary to swing the majority to trumps favor.
>>708949056
Not sure what's gonna happen anon, but the economy will be fucked by hill and trump. Gary has the ability to fix this shit
>>708946644
Too bad Johnson crumbles under a certain amount of scrutiny.
>protip: that amount is 'any'
>>708946644
No one gives a busload of niggers about Gary or those fucking emails.
>>708949445
Such as?
>>708947651
A what moment? I don't know what Aleppo means?
>>708949308
He does not. His plans and polices Might be able to fix certain economical problems, but he would be an outsider president with no support from either house of congress. That's not going to bring both parties together in cooperation except in a dogged attempt to stymie him. Just think of how the Repubs tried to stymie Obama at every turn. Now imagine that both sitting political parties are doing the same thing.
Johnson would be sabotaged at every turn by a legislature that rejects him as a threat.
>>708949700
His tax plan is shit. A 23 to 28 percent federal consumption tax doesn't help shit.
He can barely name the parts of government he wants to dismantle.
>Department of Education is not needed
>holy shit why is everyone fucking retarded now
>comment mysterieux
>>708949721
Here is how I envision this: if Clinton wins in two years sge is going to say she can't get anything done with the rep house. If trump wins in two years people will prob shift power to the dems. With gary people are going to have to get shit done or risk letting the libertarian party grow
>>708949958
Seriously tell me why you think the board of education does anything. The states already make most of their own curriculum
>>708946644
>Hillary's dodgy emails means the left won't vote for Hillary, but they still hate Trump, so Gary gets the vote.
Speak for yourself. I was happy to vote for Bernie. I'm ok with voting for Hillary.
Johnson is for people too stupid to realize what taxes pay for.
>>708950097
Gary Johnson wants to eliminate branches of government whose functions he legitimately doesn't know, and doesn't care enough to even fucking google. He needs a seatbelt for his arms.
>>708946644
A member of the left here. Yes, Hillary is a cunt. Trump is a slightly bigger cunt. But I'm not risking 3rd party and having Trump win because of it.
The reason I'm voting for Hillary, despite really not liking her is that there is a Supreme Court spot up for grabs since Scalia died. I do not want another tea party level cunt in that seat, because unlike a president's four to eight years, that spot in the Supreme Court can be filled by that person for decades. So yes, I will pick the lesser of two evils to avoid another Scalia. Because I hated him more than Trump or Hillary.
>>708950251
>The states already make most of their own curriculum
That explains why everyone is fucking retarded
>>708950097
That's a lot of assumptions. And a pretty giant risk.
They won't need to risk the libertarian party growing because if the whole legislature agrees that the president is shit, people are going to listen, even if it's not true. You're looking at it from a biased perspective of support for Johnson. Most people won't have that, they will be quite willing to blame Johnson for the failures of government, because we always blame the president.
>>708946644
Name one world leader thats better than gary johnson
>protip: you cant
>>708950474
This. Tons of Bernie supporters are going to vote Hillary for this very reason. Whoever gets into the seat is going to be there a long ass time and since the GOP has been hijacked by fringe psychos the risks of them putting someone exactly like them into the spot is far too great.
>>708950688
The Dalai Llama
>>708946644
Yeah, he will get more votes than is typical for third parties. Not that he deserves those votes.
>Libertarian platform calls for dismantling social security
>Doesn't believe ANY govt regulation is desirable for combating climate change
>Non-existent grasp of foreign policy--doesn't know what Aleppo is, can't name favorite foreign leader, etc.
What I hate more than anyone are the Bernie Busters who're voting for this guy. There's an intelligent argument to be made for libertarianism, but they don't realize that this guy's political philosophy is the OPPOSITE of Bernie Sanders's
>>708946644
seriously now
whats alleppo?
>>708950948
I'm never going to understand the correlation between him not being able to name a living foreign leader he admires and anything
>>708952071
It shows that he knows very little about foreign policy....I mean, the guy literally froze. He could not name a single person. Nor did he take the position that he dislikes every foreign leader he's heard of. He just flat out didn't know. Which is relevant if you want to be POTUS.
>>708950949
Google it you cum-guzzling faggot
>>708950949
He gave a comprehensive speech on his foriegn policy at Chicago university the day before the second presidential debate
>>708952210
People aren't foriegn policies anon they make them.
>>708952271
I'm glad someone in his campaign was able to write a coherent speech on the subject, and that he was capable of delivering it. Doesn't excuse the evidence that he knows very little about foreign policy. But that doesn't even address his main flaws. His political philosophy is a lot more extreme than most realize.
>>708952406
......
!!!!!!
>>708948972
Anyone who votes Gary is a moron.
>>708952210
Asking a Libertarian who their favorite foreign leader is is like asking a vegetarian how they like their steak cooked.
>>708952474
The insane notion that we should follow the proper guidelines for deploying the military?
>>708952565
If Johnson truly held that view (that all foreign leaders are undesirable since none is libertarian) he should have said as much. He didn't. The incident simply revealed him to be ignorant on matters of foreign policy. That's it.
>>708946644
>>708946644
My neighbor voted early today and I ran into him outside. We live in a very red state and he said, 'Well, I didn't vote Clinton.. but I didn't vote Trump either. I didn't even know who the two others were but I voted for that Johnson guy'.
I can't help but wonder how much this will happen. I'm voting Johnson for sure. I also work in a Union (which Johnson isn't terribly in favor of but I'm looking at the bigger picture) and we have a number of democrats who work there. I've heard several of them even say 'I can't stand Clinton, she is a lying criminal bitch.'
>>708952709
....no? There are things to like about his philosophy, but most people believe that the govt has a role in fighting climate change, providing at least a basic social safety net, etc. Many elements of his domestic policy are far, far to the right of what most Americans would swallow.
>>708952737
It has nothing with them no being libertarian it has to do with libertarians caring about their own country
And what is Aleppo?
>>708952749
I too wonder abput this anon. Did you read about that mock vote in ohio?
>>708952863
It's all well and good to care about one's own country, but if you aspire to be president (or at least claim such an aspiration), you should know more than a little about the world around us. That's why it's disturbing when Johnson blanks on naming a single foreign leader he likes, or can't remember what Aleppo is.
>>708946644
It's already been determined. Vote Trump: Kek has spoke.
Also Gary is retarded.
>>708952999
I hadn't heard of it but I just googled it, gives me some hope!
>>708952848
Like?
>>708950875
And Bernie was my first choice.
>>708953129
Ya idk if it has to do with people literally knowing the vote didnt matter but I mean it is interesting
TOO MANY ad hominem arguments here. Fucking idiots /s
>>708946644
In 1992 Ross Perot received 19,743,821 votes, which accounted for 18.91% of the popular vote. I don't see Johnson anywhere near that.
>>708949702
Kekked
I wish this were true
But nobody really gives a shit about her emails
Seriously, My gf and I are voting for him.
Also, every other person I've talked to has nothing good to say about the other two and has said they would go Johnson.
The argument that he doesn't know whats going on or is out of touch is irrelevant to most at this point when compared to the inept?criminal nature of the alternatives.
I think if most are honest with themselves they will feel better voting for Johnson because, even if he doesn't get it, they can feel good that they had nothing to do with Clump(Clinton/Trump)
>>708953439
But perot polled low before election day. He only polled at 20% before he had dropped out
>>708946644
I'm a libertarian, I believe in little to no government (ancap). No government intervention in foreign affairs or domestic.
I wanted to vote for Johnson, I really did.... but he's sort of a dumbass. He's no Ron Paul. And he really does a very *imperfect* job of representing libertarian values.
Have you heard about Gary Johnson's tax plan? He wants a straight 28% tax on all goods and services, this will hit the middle class and poors very hard. And to offset this tax he proposes giving poor people a monthly check. This monthly check would be the biggest entitlement program in history, the very antithesis of libertarian values.
Any time he's had to explain his tax plan he really flounders. Actually any time someone has asked him the particulars on ANYTHING, he flounders, he's great at expressing libertarian ideals, but you ask him how he's gonna get there and things get really fucked up.
That and he has a really retarded sense of humor. I can't even guess how he says some of the stupid shit he does. He was talking about being in the Presidential debates and then he bites his tongue and starts talking in gibberish for 30 seconds. I don't know if he just smoked himself retarded for that interview but I really hope so... but I suspect his sense of humor is just actually that dumb and immature.
I was gonna vote Johnson, I agree with the libertarian principles. BUT he does a crap job of representing them, I think he knows he can't realistically win so he hasn't thought to much about how he can actually implement libertarian ideals, and it shows.
I despise Hillary and think she'd be just more of the same warmongering/surveillance/constitutional nullification that we've had for the last 16 years.
Trump would be better. Well, he has a chance at being something better. Someone who can't be bought, one not beholden to business-as-usual politics. And the more the current media/politicians disavow him, the more sure I am that he'd be better.
>>708953656
Hillump?
>>708953762
Johnson is better than the other two though
>>708950251
Dumbass, the states make their own curriculum, but it has to adhere to federal standards or the money gets cut. Which means that the states really DON'T make their own curriculum.
>>708953762
I know this isn't the best viewpoint to have, but the amount of effort to move to that consumption tax wont happen. Excluding that his immigration plan is leaps and bounds ahead of the other two
>>708953923
Yeah, everyone is just a hell of a lot harder on the Johnson.
>>708953785
Donary?
I like Clump because it puts the idea of like a dirt clod or Clump of poo in your mind
They should be running together with how much everyone hates them. Let them have a slap fight to see which one gets Pres and VP
>>708946644
$0.02 has been deposited into your bank account
>>708954055
To get federal money. Still being able to be financed by the state. Not making a standard curriculum
>>708953762
Worrying about his tax plan or other things is kind of moot. Do you have any idea how hard it will be to accomplish anything with the Senate or House? Obama had all kinds of promises and look how much hasn't gotten done. Same for every President. At this point you are going for the promises but for the person and he is better in that department.
I wouldn't allow Trump or Clinton as my neighbor, why would I vote for them?
>>708950474
Hi lefty.
I accept everything you said as legit except one thing. You refer to a third party as a "risk", when it is not. Johnson may be. Stein may be. But in general having a third party (or 4th or 5th) is not a risk. On the contrary, the more legitimate parties we have the stronger and more representative each of them becomes. It is NOT risk, it is benefit. So even if you don't like any of the particular candidates, voting for a third party candidate is really the best thing you could do for the country long term, even if it means you end up with a clunker on the SCOTUS for a couple decades.
libertarians are retarded for their belief that a non-interventionist foreign policy will "stop creating enemies" and that slashing the defense budget significantly is a good idea
im a republican and im fine with hillary being president so long as we control capitol hill
i would not be ok with gary johnson, bernie sanders or any of those other retards being in the oval office and thank God they won't be.
>>708949308
Clinton's tax plan actually reduces the deficit by increasing taxes for the ultra-wealthy. Trump's tax plan is a gift to the 1% - lowering top tax bracket by 8% and eliminating Estate Tax.
http://www.bbc.com/news/business-37013670
Johnson's tax plan has been widely criticised as regressive and punitive to the lower classes (as all primarily consumption-based taxation systems are) and would lose a lot of crucial revenue from wealthy people moving the burden to middle and lower classes primarily, so another gift to the 1%.
Thankfully neither Trump nor Johnson have a real shot anymore.
>>708954748
but you won't control capital hill because the republicans are going to stonewall clinton and the dems will blame the reps for it and the god damn cycle continues until we all just fucking die
>>708954875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqYJRc0TJkQ
>>708954875
oh it might reduce the deficit if she didn't want to "fix" obamacare and pay for your college if your parents make less than 250k.
>>708953923
>>708954068
Here's the thing Johnson IS better than the other two. By many fucking miles. BUT he stands no chance of winning.
So I could feel okay voting for Johnson if Hillary and Trump were equally shitty, but in my opinion Hillary is an absolute snake. One of the most corrupt politicians to ever exist, on par with politicians in Mexico or South America.
Hillary lies, is easily bribed on anything, has no true principles (she says what she's paid to say and whatever is the popular at the polls), she has no regard for the constitution (I'm aware most Rs and Ds these days have little regard, but she has less than most), she's pro surveillance, pro warmongering, it's very plausible that she's had many politically inconvenient people killed, and the worst part is she's practically foaming at the mouth for war with Russia (which very well could mean the end of the goddamned world).
I hate Trump, most things about him anyhow. But he's NOT pro gun control. He'll be much harder to buy. And he's not gonna try to fuck the hornets nest that is stirring up drama with Russia.
As much as it makes me feel really dirty, I must vote Trump. This will be a close one and Hillary MUST NOT win.... though she has all the media, banks, military industrial complex, and most politicans in her corner. When you have that much support a pesky thing like not having enough people vote for you, likely doesn't matter.
I would be happiest voting for Johnson, but this isn't the time to be throwing your vote away on a man who can't win just because he's the most morally upright.
>>708954875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njczesGlXaQ
>>708953730
Only 20% for a third party? That's unheard of.
>>708954875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dY77j6uBHI
>>708947651
Would you rather have a president that is honest about their ignorance, or some that lies, gets fed a script, says something retarded, or just evades questions entirely?
>>708954875
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsMYVEVapUo
>>708954275
Dipshit, most states aren't gonna turn down federal money. Most can't.
>>708955111
Anon if everyone takes that same approach that is why the system wont be fixed, be a part of the solution not the problem. If any of you truly believe trump is the right candidate, or if you think clinton is. Even if you think that jill stien is what this country needs. If you won't vote for them because they might not win then why are you voting at all?
Who's that leader of Mexico???
>>708955266
that was february of that year, i read up on him, he seemed to have used his money wisely but seems rather bat shit crazy
>>708949958
>bases his entire opinion off of one YouTube video.
>>708955111
If Gary gets a lot of votes, then others might jump on the third party bandwagon in future. You vote won't be wasted.
don't forget ross perot was 5foot5
pretty amazing for a 3rd party manlet to get 20%
>>708955451
and yet some can, as a texas fag i remember Obama using the federal lunch money for the poor children as leverage for the bathroom bullshit, to which our governor said that we could make up that deficit just fine.
>>708946644
>Hillary's dodgy emails means the left won't vote for Hillary
They literally don't give a shit about that. All that they care about is that she's got a (D) by her name
Haha, I hate trump and shillary too, but I'm not voting for this enormous fucking retard, that is for sure.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-xlmU9LvtAs&feature=youtu.be
Who wants this triggered little bitch in office? He just doesn't have the temperament. kekekek
>>708955306
Clinton:
>Does anything for a vote
>Has few original ideas
>Constant helping hands
>Personal agenda over country
>Wiki leaks
Is considered the prime candidate
Trump:
>Literally retarded
>Multiple failed business ventures
>Banks own all of the buildings with his name on it
Is considered the second best candidate
Johnson:
>Successful businessman
>Successful governor
>Has had two brain fart instances in which he was honest
Is considered a total retard unfit for presidency
>>708956095
>>708948972
There is no greater hinderance to freedom than poverty
>>708955847
moar please
>>708955530
>>708955530
I've voted Libertarian in every run so far. But so far each election the candidates have been equally shitty.
It's not that Trump is good; though I do think immigration needs to be tightened up and maybe even temporarily shut down, and I like that Trump can not be bought, I also like that he's an enemy of the establishment that actually has a CHANCE, unlike the libertarians. I also like that he's talking about trying to have a working relationship with Russia rather than stirring up another cold war (and the way Hillary talks maybe even overt war with Russia).
>>708956363
http://politicschatter.com/politics-talk/slideshow/trump-owns-properties-name/
Nice meme
>>708956363
cringe
>>708956765
I wish Rand Paul won the Republican nom. Why do Republicans have to be so retarded?
>>708956095
You forgot
Clinton:
>Violated the Espionage Act
>obstruction of justice
>perjury
>lied to the FBI...felony
>>708946644
You're stupid if you think the Libertarian party connects with Democrat voters.
Democrats vote for the Green party,
Republicans vote for the Libertarian party.
Democrats are authoritarian leftists.
Republicans are libertarian conservatives.
Johnson is stealing votes from Trump, not Shillary.
>>708956923
cringepic but true.
>>708957012
Retarded? Look who the Democrats had to choose from.
What is a "Leppo"?
>>708957172
True? How do you figure? I guess this dog is actually a taco, pic 4 proof
>>708957089
Nope, Johnson is actually taking votes away from hillary.
I'm a Republican and don't fucking try to say we're anything like Libertarian retards with the exception of balancing the budget and lowering taxes.
>>708957206
I wish John Kerry went one more go, he's the hero America needs but doesn't deserve
>>708946644
The only people raging about those dull emails are trumpcucks. Fact.
Hilldawg landslide incoming!
>>708957012
Rand Paul would have been solid too.
Truth be told, he would have been a million times better than Johnson as the Libertarian nominee. Yeah, I know he's more of a Republican/Libertarian hybrid, but he's a much better speaker than Johnson and he's more charismatic and likeable. Not to mention being a Republican/Libertarian hybrid he's much more likely to get disaffected Republican votes.
I'd say Rand Paul or Ron Paul as the Libertarian frontrunner would have a very solid chance of sealing the deal this time around.
In my opinion, the Libertarians shouldn't have Johnson as their front runner. Sure, he's better than Trump or Hillary, but he's not that good.
I think the Libertarians just really like having a guy that was previously governor, that's more applicable experience than most Libertarians are likely to have.
>>708957461
Yup totally, thats why most libertarians run as republicans
>>708956898
>Developer on a building
>Install a 20 foot tall sign with your name on the building
How does that make him a bad businessman? How is advertising and name recognition a bad thing?
>>708957461
Libertarian is a perspective of government intervention.
The difference between libertarian politics and the libertarian party needs to be well understood.
Republicans are for small government, aka libertarian.
Johnson is not a good representative of the libertarian party.
He holds some seriously whacko leftist values to heart.
But Bernouts that didn't migrate to Hildog migrated to Jill Stein.
You do know that a green party flagship boy had the democrat nomination in 2000 right?
>>708957547
And the rest of the planet as people that worked with the Clintons find out what the Clintons really think of them
>>708957461
great sarcasm but you really are a retard if you think that.
Most republicans are neoconservative or socially conservative. Very few subscribe to the libertarian philosophy and those that do (like rand paul) are only libertariani-ish, not libertarian
>>708957711
>brand recognition
Trump hotels are being renamed to Scion because of the shitty PR that brand is now associated with causing a huge downturn in bookings.
>>708946644
Sure. The "don't like the two, so I'll take the bong vote." "Hey guise I voted for Johnson! whooooooooo!" idiots
Fuck all y'all, google Joe Exotic.
>>708957556
I agree but running as an independent I think Johnson works better He's right in the center between the left and right, so he'd steal votes from both parties. Either way I think the libertarian party would reign supreme if people weren't so into brand loyalty.
>>708952737
Right by being ignorant on foreign policy makes him wayyyyy worse than Killarney and trump. You fucking shills are brainwashed
>>708957089
Libertarians are neither left nor right and a bit of both. They are fiscally conservative and socially liberal. They are simply about FREEDOM in all matters; personal, private, and financial.
They are strong believers that you should be able to do whatever the fuck you want as long as it's not hurting anyone. They are also strong believers that no one should be forced to do anything.
So on every issue, they believe in freedom. Freedom to have guns, even automatic ones. Freedom to have abortions. Freedom to do drugs. Freedom of speech. Freedom to see a prostitute. Your paycheck should not be taken by the government. No one is entitled to any of the cash that you earned yourself. No unlawful search and seizure or surveillance. No military action unless it TRULY is a matter of national defense (no defensive just war has happened since WW2 and even that is debatable)
So people that truly believe in freedom, and not just freedom for people that think like you and not for the others, should vote libertarian.....
except for this time, Hillary is too much of a goddamn threat to fucking everything. This time you gotta vote Trump.
>>708958328
i kekked
>>708955815
>in future
right. what future.
>>708953268
Because you're a min wage lesbian with a degree in art. Fuck off
>>708958328
I hole-hardedly agree, but allow me to play doubles advocate here for a moment. For all intensive purposes I think you are wrong. In an age where false morals are a diamond dozen, true virtues are a blessing in the skies.
We often put our false morality on a petal stool like a bunch of pre-Madonnas, but you all seem to be taking something very valuable for granite. So I ask of you to mustard up all the strength you can because it is a doggy dog world out there.
Although there is some merit to what you are saying it seems like you have a huge ship on your shoulder. In your argument you seem to throw everything in but the kids Nsync, and even though you are having a feel day with this I am here to bring you back into reality.
I have a sick sense when it comes to these types of things. It is almost spooky, because I cannot turn a blonde eye to these glaring flaws in your rhetoric. I have zero taller ants when it comes to people spouting out hate in the name of moral righteousness.
You just need to remember what comes around is all around, and when supply and command fails you will be the first to go. Make my words, when you get down to brass stacks it doesn't take rocket appliances to get two birds stoned at once.
It's clear who makes the pants in this relationship, and sometimes you just have to swallow your prize and accept the facts. You might have to come to this conclusion through denial and error but I swear on my mother's mating name that when you put the petal to the medal you will pass with flying carpets like it’s a peach of cake.
whoever said republicans aren't authoritarian is fucking retarded.
republicans are mostly neocons and social conservatives.
they believe in a powerful military maintaining world order and high defense budget that creates jobs in the military industrial complex
they believe in curbing abortion rights, LGBT rights, and making porn production more difficult
this is not libertarian at all!!!
>>708948524
Is this just your way of staying edgy? Even after a good candidate is finally available, you shit on him for no reason so you can stay an anonymoose faggot against gubment opreshun? Or are you just wallowing in liberal denial?
>>708957940
Which further shows it's not in Trump's best financial interest to run for president like some people suggest is why he's doing it. I also don't see why that means it wasn't a smart business decision at the time.
>>708958328
It seems like you're only used to big government newcons.
Republicans have always been the freedom party.
Democrats have always been the entitlement party.
It's why democrats do well with minorities and urban voters.
And exactly why Republicans have always done will with whites and rural voters.
Johnson is a cuck, but leftists agenda does not get forwarded by the libertarian party, because the libertarian party is not authoritarian. They're opposites.
>>708946644
What about Jill Stein? She seems to have a decent head on her shoulders, unlike anyone else in this race.
Outside observer here
>>708957556
I've never voted non-Democrat when it comes to the president. I was considering Rand. But we still had Bernie back then, so Rand vs Bern I'm goin Bern.
Rand vs Hillary, Rand wins.
>>708957342
How is this a valid comparison at all? A handful of bankruptcies out of 500+ businesses doesn't mean he's a decent businessman?
>>708958801
Aside from her positions, the biggest problem i have with stien is that it is more important in her mind to vandalize construction equipment than it is to campaign for president of the united states
>>708946644
>>708958328
Decent ideology, then four years down the road(or probably even less due to the orange retard giving some woman the republican handshake) he gets booted, and the Libertarian candidate looks much more agreeable, especially since most of the states will be green by that point. as in cannabis/hemp will be sold and growing in those states. I want to keep my guns, I wanna grow pot legally, I think it's the woman's choice, and I especially think everyone should mind their own goddamn business. Johnson/Weld 2016
>>708946644
Gary Johnson is an imbecile who doesn't know anything about the Syrian conflict and speaks out of his ass, you retards who say "OH AT LEAST HE WAS HONEST" clearly didn't listen to the rest of the discussion because GArY decided to save face as much as he could by literally talking out of his ass about Syria.
He's also an SJW retard who thinks we shouldn't call illegal immigrants what they are, and instead wants to call them "Undocumented Immigrants" because it's mean to all the mexicans who live here illegally.
Oh and when he said we'd do the same thing, well unlike the Mexicans, we can actually build empires and civilizations. ;)
>>708958547
You don't even know how to use 4chin.
Classical conservatives believe the federal government is there to provide a few basic services.
The Military.
The Mail.
The Money.
That's it.
Having a big military is not a conservative value though, it's a nationalist value.
Only people who have nothing to lose choose to have little to no military.
Conservatives do not want government intervention.
And conservatives in large do not want the government acting on their behalf to stop you from doing things.
Liberals in large do.
The far end of extreme conservatives does fight the semantic debate over gay marriage.
The moderate end of the left fights to take away your constitutionally guaranteed rights and fights tooth and nail for wealth redistribution.
>aka theft
>>708959359
talking about a candidate who talks out their ass and not mentioning trump... okay?
>>708959276
Is there anyone who does NOT use, that is pro-pot? Name one.
>>708959546
The difference between Trump and Johnson is that Trump can actually muster up support and voters. Johnson couldn't win if both Hillary and Trump never ran and it was just Jeb Bush. Jeb Bush had more supporters than Gary Johnson. Think about that one, you fake libertarian.
>>708959603
Ron Paul
>>708958790
>Republicans have always been the freedom party.
Both parties like to say this, the reality of the matter is you only believe in the freedoms that you yourself want/need, freedom for others who disagree, you do not want.
For example. Republicans do NOT believe in freedom to have abortions, freedom to do drugs, freedom to see a whore, freedom of speech when it concerns criticizing the country/military, freedom from anti-constitutional surveillance.
Republicans LOVE repeating freedom like it's a mantra, but it's as hollow as the sheep from Animal farm bleating "Two legs bad, four legs good".
ON the other hand, Democrats believe in freedom to have abortions, freedom to do some drugs, etc..... they abhor freedom when it comes to guns, saying something about race/immigrants, etc.
Both Republicans and Democrats love to talk about how they love freedom, but the reality of the matter is they only support freedoms that their own kinds enjoy, not freedom for people with different values and lifestyles than their own.
And that's fucking retarded. If you want your own freedom to do/say what you want, you shouldn't be trying to strip away the different kinds of freedom that other people enjoy.
This is why Libertarians have the moral high ground. They are the only ones that believe in "liberty and justice for all",
>>708959800
i never claimed to be a libertarian, trump has supporters because he is on the republican ticket. you do know he has run several times right?
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>>708946644
>Hillary's dodgy emails
what happened?
havent heard of this
>>708960073
lol
>>708960073
Trump actually won a nomination, Gary Johnson had no competition.
>>708960237
but he did, in fact two of them are running write in campaigns so libertarians can "vote for a real libertarian"
>>708959368
Nope, I'm conservative and maintaining a strong military is a conservative value.
slashing the military budget and risking our national security is not being conservative
open borders is not a conservative value
pro-choice including supporting partial birth abortion rights is not a conservative value
supporting fag rights is not a conservative value
libertarian =/= conservative
>>708955073
It's apparently being compensated for by a new tax bracket for $5m and over
>Over $5,000,000 - pay 43.6% (new bracket)
The Trump plan is actually pretty hazardous considering the state of the deficit already. And giving tax handouts to the ultra-wealthy that don't need any help is silly.
>Mr Trump's campaign said the plan would reduce the amount of income the government collected by $4.4tn over a decade. This is far below the $9.5tn calculated by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center in August. The Center said Mrs Clinton's plan would add $1.1tn in revenue over the next 10 years.
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>>708955056
Could you be any more triggered?
>>708958993
Any citations or just a meme?
>>708946644
Gary Johnson will never amount to anything. Meanwhile, here's the guy who will actually receive a few electoral votes next month. No libertarian has ever done that.
>>708946644
what's a gary johnson
>>708960431
No he didn't, Gary Johnson is running because this election cycle is a giant joke, Trump had to go up against several other people who were actually being supported, Johnson did not.
Gary Johnson isn't even a real libertarian, he's only running as one because he knows there's no way he could have beaten Trump, and Clinton would have rigged the nomination against him as well (Though to be fair, she wouldn't need to seeing as nobody cares about Johnson)
The only person who's running right now that is doing worse than Gary Johnson, is Jill Stein, and not by much.
>>708960602
because he is from utah and a mormon?
>>708954622
I could have worded that better. I did not mean having third parties was a major risk. I wish our party system was like Germany, where they have many parties that usually try to agree on platforms and then band together to make up a sort of new temporary party (I explained that badly) BUT I voted for Bernie, I want third party. But i see it as a risk because diving Democrats will just leave it open to Trump winning, because it seems so damn close, and I don't want to risk giving Trump that lead when a seat is open for the courts.
I think the chances of getting a third party POTUS is growing greater, and next election might finally be the one.
>>708960734
gary recieved the nomination in january
>>708960734
Stein is polling a 1/5th of Johnson's current rate, she's not doing a little worse, she's doing laughably worse considering Johnson isn't doing that great himself - actual election day results for 3rd party are always much lower than polled, Johnson is probably going to end up with 2% and Stein 0.25% or something
>>708960602
nope not happening
we ain't having some bald faggot as our president
>>708960862
No he didn't, he declared himself the winner.
I can prove it, Libertarians never vote, thats why none of them get elected. Even still, Gary Johnson isn't a libertarian.
>>708959603
My old roomate was a farmer's son
>drove tractors
>planted corn and soybeans
>handled cattle and hogs
>church goin
>only smoked cigars and drank good whiskey
Would never touch the herb, due to the fact that it was, by our government and somehow that also means any god, had made it illegal.
We were chilling out n the back patio, i was smoking a jay, and he was smoking a cigar. I asked him if he was pro or against, and he tells me that if it was legal in the state, that it would be in his rotation by next season.
The thing is, that it's not only the stuff that you can get high with, that will be legalized. It will also be the stuff that you can turn into a multitude of things.
>Rope
>Clothing
>Ethanol
> Composite wood (hempcrete)
> Fucking feed for the livestock
The values are limitless. it could slow or even halt deforestation, cheap feed for livestock, can even build a house with that shit. just saying, if it became legal federally, i would start investing into Canabis/hemp/weed stocks of any kind.
>>708960971
no, about 1000 libertarians met in orlando and heard johnson debate other members running for the nomination and voted on him
>>708946644
Someone wake this stoner up after the election and break it to him that running for president wasn't a hallucination.
>>708960567
What do you want a citation on? That he has been involved in 500+ businesses? Look up his financial disclosure form.
>>708960734
Have you forgotten that Gary Johnson was the libertarian candidate in 2012?
gary is worse than trump OR hillary. Literally making the libertarians look like a bunch of retards.
>>708960602
>mfw "a few" is less than 46
kewl beanz
You know, it's never too late to do the right thing.
>>708962571
Mfw when McMullin gets more electoral votes than all previous libertarian candidates combined. Who cares if it's only 4.
bald head so sexy
Libertarian mucks lots fuss, seeing bacon clumps mustard rust. If peppering flakes strays dip class then germs drain accommodations to astronomers bliss.
>>708963371
>4
Mormons have more wives...
>>708949056
>The Hillary voters are open to alternatives
If they were any reasonable alternatives, MAYBE.
But the thing that scares Hillary supporters most (even the reluctant ones) is a lunatic in the White House.
Unfortunately (for democracy, not so much for Hillary) of Clinton, Johnson, Stein, and Trump, only one is not a lunatic, but actually prepared for the presidency.
Also, Johnson and Stein supporters (and those on the fence) should watch this look at both candidates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k3O01EfM5fU
>>708946644
Gary has ideas, bit they're all overly simple and it feels like he has no concept of the complexity of the issues he'll have to face or the potential repercussions of the policies he hopes to enact. Superficially they seem like great ideas until you look at what would actually happen. For example, a flat tax at his proposed rate would bankrupt the middle class and leave huge deficits. Gary doesn't have a clue. He's an idealist not a realist, and all the optimism in the world won't help America without having the experience and knowledge to back it up. Voter disillusionment has left this election cycle in shambles, we're stuck with two candidates we hate and are scrambling for an option that seems more palatable. This means that some seriously underqualified people are being seriously considered for office. Putin is, if not laughing, smirking with glee at the mess we've made of our democratic process.
>>708953656
>My gf and I are voting for him
nope, she's not.
Just jumped in this thread.
My mom, dad, gf and I are all voting Gary.
Mainly, if we hit that 5% threshold, we can have a viable 3rd party. I don't really care who it pulls votes from, I want better candidates and a 3rd party increases that likelihood.
I think Bill Weld could have won this election.
