Good afternoon B, I'm currently doing research on the Flat Earth conspiracy. I have a few questions that I haven't been able to find a solid answer for. Trolls are welcome to the discussion but I'm currently doing research for a project so if you would be so kind as to only join the thread if you wish to contribute to the conversation. (Although, the "theory" does seem quite delusional and asking for cooperation seems ironic.) Both sides of the argument are absolutely welcome. Any further information provided will also be appreciated. 1) What exactly is at the end of the ice shelf? And what does it lead to? 2) What is at the North Pole? 3) Explain why sundown is 2 minutes later at the top of the Burj Khalifa than it is at the base? 4) Are there any notable academics, scientists, or leaders who believe in the Flat- Earth model?
>>708556425
They dont have any explanation and no.
also: >>>/x/
>>7085564251
1. The Dungeon Dimensions.
2. Cori Celesti
3. What is the Burj Khalifa?
4. Every one of them, duh.
Tallest building b
>>708556425
2. Usually a Russian Submarine.
4. Sir Patrick Moore was involved once, purely for a laugh.
>>708556425
You should know that this is mostly satire. The vast majority of flat earther actually genuinely believe this
>>708557678
*dont
bump
That gif you are using makes no sense, you can see the moon because the sun'a light reflects of it. if the model in the gif was real, either time zones would be different, or you could not see the moon.
>>708558669
Off*
The theory is that the moon is luminescent and time zones are a human construct.
I was actually very active in the society a while back. Stopped posting about a year ago. I was one of the more prominent flat earth enthusiasts. To answer some questions, the earth ends at the south pole, so beyond the ice wall is... most likely nothing. No independent group has ever been there, though, so nobody really knows. The north pole is at the north pole. I'm not sure what you mean. The way it works is the north pole is in the center while the south pole is all around the edge. East and West describe motion counter clockwise and clockwise around the north pole. To name one prominent figure of FET, Dr Samuel Robotham.
>>708559148
you cant just assert that the moon is luminescent
you have to explain it as well. As for time zones being a human construct, if you have ever taken a long distance flight you would know that to be false.
>>708559467
also how do flat earthers explain gravity?
all of you are retards the earth is flat and has been smh
>>708556425
gif doesn't account for seasons
I wish that someone would just get a fucking boat and haul his ass over there with some gear and document that shit. AND even then people would not fucking believe it because its such a big of a lie that people just cant accept that they've been fooled and start calling you the lier. I guess what im saying is that it doesn't matter what goddamn shape it is because you cant believe it until you experience it.
>>708559562
density
>>708560068
thats not an explanation. Why do things fall down in FEtheory?
>>708560068
yo uhave to explain more than that you inbred
nah you're wrong the earth is flat
>>708559148
>and time zones are a human construct
well, they are
>>708559952
the earth is flat it can be proven
>>708560438
But the time difference isn't.
It is genuine.
Fly one way... gain.
Fly the other... loss.
Earth rotates.
Time zones try to standardize that... they don't make it.
>>708560810
how so?
>>708560276
>>708560306
you looking for a fucking scientist?
youtube : gravity is density on flatearth
All my info is based on fellow humans videos i find on youtube. Even though i somewhat think it makes so much sence for the earth to be flat, i will never find proof on the internet because the information would be based on someone elses findings. So if you really wanna know, you gotto go there
Check back in a few weeks. I plan to do exactly that. The Copernicus Project failed. I want to propose the idea of hiring an independent crew to prove or disprove this idea from an unbiased view.
>>708560810
How?
The globe earth that rotates and orbits the sun explains ALL the observed phenomena on the planet related to days seasons and geography.
Flat Earth is bullshit and explains fucking NONE of it.
>>708556425
ITT: I'm doing research on bullshit
>>708561166
Double dubs wasted on insanity, I've been on the top of mountains, why can't I see forever? What are satellites?
>>708556425
>I'm currently doing research on the Flat Earth conspiracy.
No, you're not.
You're jerking off because. for whatever fucked-up reason, getting responses on bullshit threads gets you off, you sick fuck.
>>708561094
it's called science
>>708561337
stfu Plebboi 9000
>>708561337
fap fap, flat eaaaarth.
>>708561216
nah it's all wrong we living on a flat earth
yo dogg, light bends with gravity.... especially with 196,000,000 square miles of surface showing
Gravity is explained by universal acceleration. Without getting into much detail, the earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8m/s^2.
>>708560970
>But the time difference isn't.
it is
The only thing objectively and natural here is the how far the sun is above/below the horizon.
>>708561254
pretty sure that anon isnt a flatearther. he just tells us what he knows about it. unrustle your jimmies
>>708562653
that's fucking retarded.
I am a flat earther. To break the anon, I go/went by th3rm0m3t3r0 of theflatearthsociety.org. You can look at my long post history there if you'd like. Might clear up some concerns or questions you might have.
>>708563243
Do you have a retort or are you just going to call me a retard?
>>708563305
>I am a retard
fixt
>>708556425
6) How do seasons work? according to your image there would be no seasonal variations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs
>>708563418
No more fitting retort to a flat earther. But sure, I'll humor you. If the earth was accelerating upward, why isn't it crashing into shit in space? And if everything in the universe is accelerating upward, then nothing would fall because it, being part of the universe, would also be accelerating upward.
Retarded aspect of a retarded theory. Kill yourself.
>>708563533
Excellent question. I'll add that to the rolodex.
Most round earth beliefs rest on the false assumption that the earth is round. This accounts for most of their misunderstanding.
>>708563774
>round earth beliefs
wow you're that deluded
>>708560970
time != how visible the sun is.
>>708563774
Thanks man! I needed that after the day I've had.
>>708563834
So, nothing of substance to add, then?
>>708559562
Reverse Inertia from a body travelling upwards at speed
>>708562653
then why isnt the sun shaped like an inverse tear drop?
>>708563704
I think you're getting acceleration confused with velocity. Velocity has to be measured from an external FoR. Acceleration can be felt without gauging velocity or being an outside observer.
>>708564404
I'm not sure how that's at all relevant.
>>708561618
yep, that's 90% of /b/ alright
>>708564442
acceleration is the rate of change of velocity. if the acceleration is positive, the velocity is increasing. your point is invalid.
>>708564640
It's not at all. You don't feel the half a million miles an hour you're travelling right now. You don't feel the 60 mph on the highway. However, you bet your ass you'd feel that drop from 60 to 0 in 2 seconds when you crash into a wall.
>>708564914
what's your point? it still doesn't explain gravity. all you've said is you can't feel velocity.
>>708563774
>Flat Earth is round
>Sphere Earth is also round
>My penis is round
>Earth is my penis
>My penis is Earth
>>708563704
not even a flat earther, but your argument is absolutely fucking retarded
>>708565022
My point is that if the entire universe is accelerating upwards, there would be a universal force. You'd be able to feel that force. That's what a force is. Velocity is irrelevant.
>>708565151
How so?
>>708564589
well if the earth is accelerating then one of two situations must be true, either we are accelerating and the sun is not, so we should eventually crash into the sun.
Or, the sun is also being accelerated meaning that the sun would also have the same amount of gravity as earth (silly enough) well that would mean that the sun would have a trail opposite to 'up' so the sun would appear to be comet shaped.
Unless ofcourse the sun maintains its own itengrity because it has its own gravity, which would invalidate the rest of the universal acceleration theory (why just the sun and not earth?)
Also, if the sun and earth are being equally accelerated then what is the source of this acceleraiton? why does it affect only celestial bodies and not us? is the force applied at some imaginary bottom of the world say 10km deep? where does the force get applied to the sun?
If universal acceleration affects all matter equally then there would be no percieved gravity.
>>708565208
what if you are just that used to this "force" that you cant feel it anymore?
>>708565345
You mean like gravity?
>>708565269
don't answer for me faggot
>>708556425
Wrong board. What you want is the flat earther board at www.4chan.org/pol/
>>708565458
yeah. exactly like gravity
>>708565269
Next time you accelerate in your car, notice how it presses you into your seat.
>>708563639
Cool video. Thanks
>>708565269
i think he's referring to Newton's Laws of physics. Consider the Mythbusters experiment when they shoot a ball out of a cannon at 60mph or some shit while the cannon is moving 60mph on a truck. The ball stays in one place.
>>708565339
Acceleration is felt as a force. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand. If the entire universe is accelerating, we'd all feel a force. Which we do. Look into the equivalence principle.
>>708565575
Next time you're in the universe, notice how you stick to the ground and things fall downward.
>>708563704
No more absurd than a force keeps us on a spinning ball at 1000 mph
And regardless of organism density , everything is held to the earth at the same rate
And gravitational pull is a theory that is relatively unexplainable anyhow
So scientists can explain away a theory with another that can't be explained but is acceptable ???
>>708556425
>research on the Flat Earth conspiracy
In case you haven't heard, the flat earth movement is a joke. It's just one big joke. No one actually believes the earth is flat.
>>708565564
Thanks for understanding.
>>708565636
That was a cool episode.
One of their earlier one's they tested "gravity" as they call it, to see what would happen if you jumped at the last minute if an elevator was free falling toward the ground.
Unfortunately gravity wouldn't let the myth buster's win.
>>708565636
As am I. Please apply what I'm saying to your own example.
>>708556425
Let me guess. You're a race-baiting welfare hypocrite who votes Democrat because "hurr durr racist i'm a victim."
Fucking get over it. Michael Brown was a criminal who got what he deserved, the black community gets what it deserves for glorifying gangbangers and criminal activity and holding themselves down by refusing to leave the Democrat welfare plantation. If they stopped bitching how their laziness was somehow the white man's fault and the Republicans' fault and the police's fault, they wouldn't be in the fucking mess they're in. Their schools are shitty and their communities are all crime-ridden slums because they don't give a shit about education or work ethic or personal responsibility because they think it's "acting white." Hell, every Democrat run city eventually turns into a crime-ridden ghetto. What, you faggots think acting like thugs is acting black and "keeping it real?" You dumbfucks are the first to bitch "profiling" when a gangbanging thug is perceived as such by society. You can't brag about being an insane criminal and then expect to be respected as though you were an upstanding citizen.
>>708565881
ye i know when im beat. cant argue with gravity
>>708565909
Now imagine you are in a gravity free environment, and that elevator is accelerating upwards at 9.82m/s^2. Guess how it would feel in comparison to gravity.
one thing the flat earthers never explain....why the fuck it matters anyway?
>>708565958
tf are you going on about? I'm doing research for a film pitch you cunt
>>708565967
Ok. I'll take that as a white flag.
>>708566131
That's right. Society turned to shit the moment you socialist edgelords demanded all references to God and Christ be removed from society because you found it "offensive." You pretentious hypocrites are full of shit. You're not "offended;" you're a bunch of intolerant Christophobic bigots. You've never been oppressed and no have no fucking idea what real oppression is. Christians are being slaughtered, raped, and sold into slavery for their faith but you SJW faggots aren't saying a damn thing because you hate Christians and are glad to hear they're suffering. You condone those Islamic fanatics because they share your violent hatred towards the Christian faith while you cry "islamophobia" because Sharia is incompatible with Western democracy.
>they be hidin GOD!
That's it. That's all the flat earth talk.
>>708564404
Because it's actually a 40watt light bulb above this petri dish
>>708566221
damn i'm sorry to hear that. Maybe that'll be my next pitch.
>>708565682
When im in a car and the car accelerates I feel a force extrinsic to my body pushing against my back. But if the force were evenly applied to every single atom in my body and in the car then there would be no force felt between me and the car. There is no relative difference.
If there is universal acceleration then that would mean that all matter is equally accelerated, so there would be no relative force.
Furthermore, Hispanic is not a race. Any one of you common core retards who say shit like "light skinned hispanic" should be punched in the fucking mouth. Illegal alien wetbacks should be deported regardless of where they came from, but especially Mexico because they fucking hate America and condone cartel criminals running their country as long as they can bribe their way out of crime. Mexican is not a race; in fact that country is infinitely more racist and worships whiteness than you politically correct faggots accuse the tea party of being.
>>708566544
Please at least try to understand how you're wrong. A force is a push or a pull. If you stopped accelerating, you wouldn't feel a force, because there is no perceived difference in velocity. The force that pushes you back in your chair is acceleration. It doesn't matter how universally a change in velocity is felt, it's still felt.
>>708564235
>Reverse Inertia
wtf
you mean constant acceleration? As in the disk has been accelerating at ~1g for millions of years?
>>708566544
Like the 1000mph acceleration of a spinning globe we can't feel???
>>708565779
yeah, cool. I'm not saying there is no gravity. learn2read
>>708566104
I'm no scientist, but if I could give you a very uneducated guess? The same thing?
I would also guess if I was in an an earth type gravity situation and that elevator could some how move at the same rate I would feel twice as much force?
My knees hurt
>>708567095
mph is not a unit of acceleration. If anything the spinning of earth is decelerating incredibly slowly.
>>708561166
>fellow humans
Fucking space niggers coming here stealing our dubs
>>708567154
Then what exactly are you saying?
>>708562653
Forgetting for the moment what you might thing the origin of a flat earth might be, how old do you believe the disk and what is the approximate current speed of the disk at that rate of acceleration?
>>708559562
To my knowledge they believe that earth is accelerating upwards at 9.8ms^2 which would essentially be the same thing. I'm not sure about how that works with relativity but that's the cursory explanation.
> Universal acceleration
> earth accelerates up
> i accelerate up
> earth never catches up to me so i never "fall"
> sorry i cant greentext
>>708567192
You are correct. You wouldn't be able to tell the difference. Which is exactly my point.
>>708567351
I believe in the universe's constant acceleration. It would have to be going much faster than the speed of light at this point.
>>708567284
I am pretty sure you can follow a reply chain all by yourself
>>708567095
>acceleration
the Earth is not accelerating
it spins at a constant velocity
it travels around the Sun at a constant velocity
it travels with the Sun around the galactic center at a constant velocity
think of the last time you were in a car
when the car was traveling at a constant speed did you feel how fast you were going?
no
you might have seen or even heard how fast you were going
you most likely felt the car as it accelerated to and from that speed
but constant speed is not something the human body can sense
>>708567095
earth rotation isnt accelerating you mong. its actually slowing. even if it was constant, you can observe the effect with anons car example. if you acclerate to 60 mph, then stay at 60, you feel no force on your body until you decellerate or accellerate more.
>>708556425
its all perspective. if you were traveling at the speed of light earth is definitely flat.
>>708567501
>twice as much force
>can't tell the difference
pick one
wait you did pick only one. only one
>>708567627
>universe's constant acceleration
wait, wat? as in expansion? or do you believe the "universe" is accelerating in a single direction within some sort of larger space-time? this is really confusing.
Acceleration != gravity
If everything in the universe were accelerating at the same rate (9.8 m/s^2) and I jumped up I'd accelerate slightly faster than the earth in the same direction just for a moment, then I'd slowly settle back down to the original 9.8
I would float in the air.
>>708566875
Could be worse
Could be rotating at 1000mph on a y axis
And
Orbiting at 9000mph on a x axis
Aaaand
Orbiting the milky way at stellar speed on a z axis
For millions of years ...
Yet for centuries all constellations have taken the same route every night to guide us poor hoomans
>>708568162
so the assumption here is that all extraterrestrial travel has been faked, right? No satellites, space sations, moon landings, mar probes, etc...
>>708567683
Not knowing seeing and hearing are feeling
>>708567489
>universe is accelerating
>acceleration is the same thing as force
>force on an object is weight
If the universe is still accelerating then why is everything exactly the same weight as it was yesterday or 1000 year ago?
Are we accelerating still?
Infinite acceleration = infinite force = infinite weight = I weigh infinite
>>708565028
Can't argue with that logic
>>708568013
Yes. Look into aether theory. Einstein lectured about it. Think of what you call the universe as an aether bubble, and outside is just space. The universe as you know it (I.e. the propagation of light) ends at the edge, but outside is just space that the universe accelerates through.
>>708568336
except the constellations have and still do change throughout human history. this isnt even debated.
>>708568336
>centuries all constellations have taken the same route every night
decent description of how things stay relative in an expanding universe where a few centuries are the tiniest blip in time
>>708568484
>>708568336
>>708568013
>>708567846
>>708567683
If the weather is supposed of it and the check out some of the same thing with the new year of study... I know it's properly not the intended recipient of this finds
>>708568667
Also speed of light. Infinite acceleration would put us on the brink of time travel.
>>708568484
That's what flatearthers claim, yeah
>>708568484
Great way to make billion s
Science aside (which I will say is 100% silly), here is my biggest question about this theory...
There are 50 space agencies around the globe. 155 moon missions by 6 different countries. 112 spacecraft manufacturers. 10 space stations, 7 of them being russian, some of them launched during the cold war (a time when the world wasn't really getting along.) 1100 active satellites. 43 missions to venus. 40 missions to mars. 9 missions to jupiter. 9 missions around the sun, 5 missions to saturn, 17 asteroid and comet missions. Hundreds of airline companies, Tens of thousands of pilots. Hundreds of shipping companies, hundreds of telecommunications companies, thousands of meteorologists, tens of thousands of physicists astronomers and mechanical engineers, and hundreds of news agencies that are all lying to you? And theres never been one single whistleblower? ever?
>>708568837
Eh???
Engrish do you speak ??
Flat Earth is a troll to sell fake "resistance" literature, this tactic is nothing new but I think the new twist is to do it with something so insipid and obviously wrong that it attracts attention by it's sheer obnoxiousness.
>>708568837
>If the weather is supposed of it and the check out some of the same thing with the new year of study... I know it's properly not the intended recipient of this finds
has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
>>708568649
fine
what do we call the nonexistent sense for continuous velocity?
hard mode, don't make up words like "demiqueer"
also
a continuous acceleration of 1g will have us going the speed of light after ~1 year
and as you approach the speed of light more energy is required to maintain the same rate of acceleration
so flat earthers, where does this near infinite source of energy come from?
>>708568837
Nigga wut lol
>>708569275
>where does this near infinite source of energy come from?
God
>>708568866
Maybe we're already traveling man. We're just a ball going around another ball traveling toward some other galaxy like we have that we will hit eventually.
Shit blows my mind. Maybe you are me.
>>708569114
If you can google that then you can google whistleblower also.
>>708569114
to add to this, we teach, build and invent objects (missiles, projected trajectories, etc.) that would fail if the earth was actually flat.
>>708569418
Light travels in such a manner that it may appear to us to take a literal amount of time. But for a photon. It is just a blink in between sources of radiation and absortion.
>>708568791
It's like talking to a child
you stupid nigger!
explain http://www.n2yo.com/space-station/
explain space flight!
explain solar eclipse!
explain lunar eclipse!
explain the moons terminator (the line between the part of the Moon in light and the part of the Moon in the dark)
Around 350 BC, Aristotle declared that the Earth was a sphere (based on observations he made about which constellations you could see in the sky as you travelled further and further away from the equator) and during the next hundred years or so, Aristarchus and Eratosthenes actually measured the size of the Earth!
#domeearth
stupid mother fucker!
>>708556425
A better set of questions would be: How do you explain the recession and growth of the polar ice caps with a flat earth? How do you explain satellites rotating on different axes than the sun and moon? How do you explain mirages we see along the horizon on hot days? All of these point to a curvature or a spherical Earth. Those who question that fact not only refute the realities of the universe, but do so because they just want to question something in a deluded point of view that they seem to prefer.
>>708569601
That is what I am saying man, there would need to be SO many people in on this "conspiracy"
>>708564235
What happens when we hit the roof?
>>708569652
Just a blink standing even hundreds of miles away.
Seconds from here to the moon.
Minutes from the sun.
Hours from our my distant planet.
Years from the next galaxy.
Thousands of years from the furthest galaxy we know.
Its an amazing time we live in. Imagine what Galileo thought hundreds of years ago wishing he could see what we could see today. Even as an armature enthusiast wishing I could see what we could see 500 years from now.
Keep looking up!!
>>708569817
nigga, you are impressively stupid.
>>708569779
respond you fuck.
>>708569601
Most ex military types will agree that guidance system and radar don't allow for earth curvature.
Most ex military make up half the flat earth fora anyhow ...
>>708570282
I mean the literal photon. As it were not to exist in our spacetime unless it were to be observed. Our outside view puts a distance/time ratio. The photon only knows A to B. And it happens almost instantly for itself, the photon.
>>708570584
There are multiple satellites in orbit dedicated to guidance so there will always been one in "line of sight."
Also radio towers that can triangulate position should have been your first argument.
>>708568484
or it's been faked in the sense that there HAS been travel outside of the earth, but it's been contained, and hidden somehow.
>>708570584
Interesting.
I happen to have a close relationship with an "ex-military type". He was a sniper actually. One time a while ago he was telling me about how shots past certain ranges have to take the Coriolis effect into consideration or else he would miss right or left (depending on where he was).
I would like someone to explain to me how this effect would work on a flat Earth.
>>708570743
I will have to look into this. I have only known radiation to travel at a finite speed.
Perhaps one day we will revisit this.
>>708571135
I will reply with yours. Keep looking up.
Shit gets crazy.
>>708571052
One might assume that the earth, being flat as a disk, is spinning around an axis through the center and that the bullet deviates due to this spin.
>>708571429
Deviation is different depending on what hemisphere you are in. This is testable and observable.
Hemispheres only exist on spheres.
>>708571552
Of course it's testable and observable, but one would have to individually perform these tests to believe them lest they chalk it up to some other 'conspirator' who's "in on it".
This is more effort than the average flat-earther would involve themselves in.
>>708570584
>ill just spout some major bullshit and say its 51%+ (what would constitute most incase youre a water headed fuck boi).
i grew up in a military family, this is complete bullshit. most military fags dont even know how the guidence systems in the equipment work. The ones that do, understand that long range projectiles DO take the curvature of the earth into effect. ICBMs have to take orbit into consideration as well.
>>708570584
ex-mil fag here, this is utter bullshit
>>708561226
Fuck off, cunt.
>>708568162
I don't think you quite understand, still, somehow. Look into the equivalence principle, as I said previously.
>>708568484
Essentially, yes.
>>708571963
In fact, even back when we used catapults, and cannons, some had such insane range that the curvature of the earth had to be accounted for.
>>708568667
The universe is accelerating at 9.82m/s^2. I promise that this force and gravity would be indistinguishable.
>>708572187
Like spitting forward on a bike.
>>708568866
The velocity of the universe as whole would be irrelevant, because aether is required for light to travel, and there's no aether outside the universe.
>>708572187
>>708572394
https://youtu.be/BLuI118nhzc?t=24
>>708569114
There have been whistleblowers. People just write them off as crazy. It's sort of frustrating.
>>708569275
Not sure exactly. Where'd the near infinite energy required for the universe to exist in the first place come from?
>>708572737
>a lot of energy =/= near infinite
>>708572524
Holy shit. I haven't read or heard the word aether (in a physical, scientific sense) in quite a while. Do you work for the catholic church?
Seriously though. Good food for thought. If a star emits light outwards on the edge of our known physical universe, does it simply parish? Reflect? Remain constant with the rate of expansion? Good shit man.
Cool, I've been high enough to see the curvature of the earth. I always wanted to be part of a huge conspiracy!
>>708572394
Are you trying to make a point?
>>708572865
My point exactly.
>>708562653
Earth is ACCELERATING upwards? Then what force is acting on it to accelerate it? Do you mean that it has an upwards velocity of 9.81 m/s? If it was accelerating upwards at 9.81 m/s^2 then after just two seconds gravity would double, and then triple. Learn your shit.
>>708573031
No. Just putting ideas out there. Relevant or not.
>>708573024
How high have you been?
>>708572618
Does it surprise you that people are written off as crazy, when they claim the Earth is non-spherical?
The sheer number of phenomena that need completely new explanations is baffling.
Even something simple like explaining the position and movement of the Earth, Sun and Moon tends to leave countless unanswered questions.
>>708573163
I'm going to school for something that requires a bunch of physics classes. I'd suggest you learn your shit before looking stupid again.
>>708573288
Not in the slightest surprised. It goes way against what everyone has been indoctrinated to believe.
i really don't believe the flat earth society exists, nobody can seriously be that stupid.
>>708573356
If you were then you should know that that means that the velocity will be INCREASING! And acceleration requires an action by an outside unbalanced for on the object. Maybe learn basic shit before trying to look smart.
>>708573501
Visit our forums some time.
>>708556425
How the fuck do Eclipses work?
>>708572737
nice false equivalence there
the amount of energy needed for the big bang is unknown
for the same reason that the conditions of the universe prior to the big bang are unknown
the big bang effected everything in the universe destroying all evidence of those conditions
flat earth theory, however, has no explanation of why the source of energy for accelerating the earth is unknown, or even why it has been impossible to go look over the edge and see what is there
and just to throw another wrench in the FET
>be me
>live in US
>travel from L.A. to Vegas
>distance is ~300 miles
>visit Australia
>travel across Sydney
>distance is ~40 miles
yet under FET with the north pole as the center of the disk Sydney would be ~500x as wide as the distance from L.A. to Vegas, and no matter where the center of the disk is those two distances do not match the actual distances I traveled
so retards, sorry I meant flat earthers, explain that paradox
>>708573450
Well maybe YOU (or they, i kno u trolin) felt indoctrinated, but the rest of us actually understood the words they were saying.
There is some Ptolemy level of justification of the observable universe going on in here
>>708573503
Acceleration is by definition a change in velocity. Gravity is an accelerative force. Please at least read a wiki entry on acceleration or something.
>>708573594
The theory says something about a 2nd invisible moon. Idk maybe /b/ can expand on that.
>>708573598
I'd suggest you do some research on topology and cartography and take another look at the projection of a flat earth.
If the sun heats the atmosphere, and high pressure systems disperse, why doesnt this model blow all our clouds off the ice shelf, eventually removing all earth's water?
>>708573697
He stated that the gravity on a flat earth is caused by earth accelerating upwards at 9.81 m/s^2. This would require that the velocity of your flat earth would be constantly rising. And yeah, acceleration requires an outside unbalanced force. Where's your mystery force coming from dumbass?
Religion is the Flat Earth Society.
>>708573212
HALO from ~40k, was less than fun
>>708573647
I probably have a better grasp on your held belief than you do. I've researched more than most people have on the shape of the earth.
>>708573450
Could you provide a picture that explains the flat-Earth solar system?
I'm mostly interested in the relative position and motion of celestial bodies - but simply explaining Earth, Sun and Moon would be sufficient.
>>708565575
You could not be more of a fucking faggot dumbass. You get pressed into the seat when your car is accelerating because you are stationary yourself.
>>708573923
Obviously something linear, but infinite like a fishing line is reeling us faster and faster always. Noob.
>>708573923
Where's the force that accelerates the expansion of the universe coming from, dumbass?
>>708567095
you need a unit of time to the second order for it to be a unit of acceleration.
>>708574021
The simple fact that you're using this to seem "better" than those around you betrays your purpose.
>>708574207
Well, maybe people asking high school level physics questions should stay out of this argument.
>>708556425
If you can't answer 3 you really are a fucking retard
>>708574142
expansion of spacetime is a different animal
>>708574142
That's diverting it to a question that has been answered as the dark energy equation in an attempt to help your argument. That's advanced physics in a scale we can't even see. This is basic physics motherfucker. What is causing the force to accelerate, and then, why isn't the force of gravity increasing from our intertial force to the earths velocity?
>>708574015
Okay. I did that too. It was flat. I can play that game too.
>>708559611
Flat from a 4d perspective maybe
>>708573865
in other words you have jack shit
I gave specific evidence refuting FET
and all you could do is say I don't know enough to judge the evidence
fine
give me a map that is FET compliant that shows Sydney being 40 miles wide and L.A. to Vegas 300 miles apart
and how about you explain the finer points of topology and cartography that I am so obviously not getting
what's that, you can't because FET is a steaming pile of shit?
>>708574398
Yeah, but I am part of the grand conspiracy now bitches. I leveled up!
>>708574360
Because the entire universe is accelerating upwards as well as expanding. I'd imagine for the same reasons.
>>708574360
See >>708574133
Dumbass Murican. I can't blame you for your shitty schools.
>>708574300
Ah, I see now. It was a misunderstanding.
Your wording made me think you were on the other side of the argument, and likewise mine made you think the same.
Apologies.
>>708574521
Just look at the most purposes projection of a flat earth. Take a moment to notice the lines of longitude, specifically.
>>708574142
Well, F = ma. Space doesn't have mass, therefore there doesn't need to be a force? Maybe?
>>708574595
Ok, how the fuck is the universe, a vast SPACE from what we can see of it, ACCELERATING. That's like saying stuff with what has no observable mass or volume, can have a force ACT on it and accelerate it and the universe in the WHOLE.
>>708574722
The universe has the largest mass of anything. So no.
>>708574791
It's the UNIVERSE. It's largely a VACUUM. How the FUCK does a vacuum have MASS?!
>>708574778
Well, it is an empirical fact that it is, in fact, accelerating. So how about you explain it to me.
>>708574908
False
>>708574791
The universe =/= space.
Space is expanding, the universe isn't. I never liked the way people described expansion because it erroneously implies EVERYTHING is expanding.
Space is expanding observably because everything is moving away from each other. This moving away is actually increasing, and since we see no visible force acting on the celestial bodies, we say that space itself is expanding, for *some* reason.
>>708556425
according to this gif, light randomly decides to stop at some point. i mean, if it was flat, why would it be dark on the other side of the earth? whats a common tinfoil-hat explanation to this?
>>708574908
The universe, as far as I know and the last time I checked, has a bunch of stuff in it. Although, maybe we're living in two separate universes.
This isn't really an argument at all, but for the "Earth is accelerating upwards theory", I did some math. After accelerating at one gee or 9.81 m/s/s, Earth would have surpassed the speed of light after only one year of accelerating. Kinda cool, and also totally debunks that part of the argument.
>>708574319
Shits easy. Simply presenting the question to the Flat-Earthers.
>>708574944
It's a fact that the things IN the universe are moving APART. There is NOTHING saying that the UNIVERSE is accelerating. We wouldn't be able to measure the acceleration of the universe because we can't even SEE all of it.
>>708575052
Space itself is expanding. I know this. There is no misunderstanding and no mistakes.
>>708574698
specific retard
and longitude has nothing to do with the proof I provided
both distances are (mostly) east-west
and when you take the north-south distance out of the L.A.-Vegas route it is still longer than than the longest straight east-west width of Sydney
and that is using a northern polar projection map which is the most common map claimed to be a true map of the Earth (ie having no distorted distances)
>>708575075
In the flat-earth 'theory', the sun is much closer and much smaller, thus causing that phenomenon.
It's like swinging a tiny LED in a large dark room on a pendulum.
>>708575192
Well, we can measure how fast the stuff in the universe is separating. They call it redshift. We can also measure how much this force accelerates, let's say, a ball, downwards. It's what they call 1G.
>>708573501
then you were taught wrong about science gtfo lmao
>>708575219
Then are you saying space has mass?
>>708575329
Alright. Tell me what's wrong with the purported map and what the distances would be on it.
>>708575075
i think the theory states that the sun is actually closer than we think and because of this the sun acts more like a spotlight.
>>708575448
If this was true, the HUGE speed that the things are moving apart with would be WAYYYYYYY more than 1G dumbass.
>>708556425
Flat earth? Buncha idiots.
>>708575493
Not empty space. However, a perfect vacuum is only theoretical. So the space you're talking about does indeed have mass.
The simplest argument to btfo flat Earth is that you can construct a triangle on a sphere with three 90 degree angles. That is impossible in Cartesian geometry.
If you were to walk, make a 90 degree turn, and repeat twice more, you'd end up where you started if earth was a globe, which it is. If you tried that on a 2d plane, you would be nowhere near where you started. Case closed.
Round earth = Spherical planet orbiting a star in a solar system that is itself orbiting with a galaxy. An elegant solution to all observable evidence.
Flat earth = Disk that is somehow accelerating up forever in a bubble universe that is also accelerating forever at the same rate in "aether". A theory that requires a long string of convoluted, unproven or even testable assumptions to support it.
>>708575603
I know. In addition to the expansion, the universe is accelerating upwards at 1G. Whats hard to understand?
>>708575648
thanks for your beneficial and positive contribution to the discussion.
>>708575778
Ad hoc arguments
>>708575762
Too bad nobody has ever done this in reality. Good thought experiment, though. Maybe one of you should try it. You can even do it over relatively short distances if you are precise enough.
>>708575543
do you have a 2 second attention span?
>>708573598
>>be me
>>live in US
>>travel from L.A. to Vegas
>>distance is ~300 miles
>>visit Australia
>>travel across Sydney
>>distance is ~40 miles
>yet under FET with the north pole as the center of the disk Sydney would be ~500x as wide as the distance from L.A. to Vegas, and no matter where the center of the disk is those two distances do not match the actual distances I traveled
>so retards, sorry I meant flat earthers, explain that paradox
>>708575493
#DarkMatterMatters
>>708575853
There is no discussion. Fools and trolls.
People have gone to the south pole... Also compasses
>>708556425
How do flat earthers account for the change of seasons?
>>708575950
Or even by forming a sphere from dirt or something then attempting to make a simplified version yourself.
>>708576213
God. Unbeknownst to man, his hand has a passing matter.
>>708575978
Evidently not. Can you read?
>>708576364
Well, of course it'll work of you start with a sphere. That sort of defeats the purpose, though, doesn't it?
>>708576378
Christ is Lord, can I get an Amen?!
>>708576364
I mean, I don't refute the basic tenants of non-euclidean geometry.
>>708575676
That is true in the sense that the particles in near-vacuum space has mass.
>>708576011
Which brings me to the point of dark-matter/dark-energy/dark-matter-energy of which I know little to nothing about, to be honest.
>>708575762
What do you mean, construct a triangle with three 90 degree angles?
>>708576213
I'm not sure. I was hoping it would be answered within the thread but the discussion has gotten out of control. Now it's people calling each other faggots, retards, and idiots rather than attempting to discuss with science or even anecdotal evidence. Truthfully I probably brought this upon myself. I don't know what i expected by posting in /b/.
>>708575950
Ships have done this, aircraft have done this
>>708576786
No one knows tons about it.
>>708576814
It's otherwise referred to as a triple right triangle.
>>708576592
Regardless of your starting point, if you attempted this with, say a ruler and a flat piece of paper, there is no way you can draw a triangle whose angles sum to greater than 180 degrees. It's mathematically impossible.
I'd like to see flat earthers attempt to say that math is a lie, especially when it's something they can compute themselves.
>>708576835
Source?
>>708577102
Again, I do not refute the basic tenants of non-euclidean geometry. I agree that this works on a sphere.
>>708576814
Sphere vs flat plane geometry
>>708576814
yes, spherical-trigonometric-geometry tends to get wacky.
>>708556425
in all these years no one has ever found the edge...perhaps because spheres dont have em...
So, now that math is involved, which is somewhat irrefutable, does that mean that the argument is btfo and can die?
>>708577251
Yep. This doesn't prove anything about the shape of the earth.
>>708577454
Simply challenging the ideas of flat-earthers.
>>708577518
No, because this hasn't been documented to happen in regard to the shape of the earth. Spheres are spheres. Disks are disks.
>>708573758
>invisible moon
How do telescopes work?
>>708577537
You can try this yourself.
It follows as a proof basically. If I can draw a 270 degree triangle on a sphere and can do the same when travelling earth, therefore they must be the same shape.
>>708577699
Telescopes work like telescopes. Lenses and such. I've never made one or looked too far into it. I'm not sure what your point is.
>>708577690
Because someone hasn't done it doesn't mean it's not true. If you want, hike it and report back to us, prove it wrong for yourself. I'll bet you a billion dollars that math is right.
>>708577863
Personally, I don't have the equipment or time to conduct this experiment properly. It would be irrefutable proof of the shape of the earth. However, nobody apparently has the time, care, or equipment. Maybe you can be the first.
>>708577251
>>708577091
Okay makes sense now
>>708578079
I'll bet you 2 billion dollars math is right. Seriously. Because it is. I'm not denying anything of this nature.
>>708577863
>and can do the same when travelling earth
Prove it.
>>708578080
There'd be no reason to do so. Anyone with the resources and knowledge to prove a round earth via this method of 90 degree'd triangle would recognize that those who agree with him learn nothing and those who disagree would simply ignore it and chalk it up to another person on "the inside".
>>708562653
The term "accelerating upwards" is completely wrong. Also gravity can be explained through the no longer theoretical general relativity.
>>708576819
I concur, you fucked up. Faggot.
>>708578406
I would not ignore this. This isn't a new idea. No one has ever done it. It can't be used as a proof. That's all I'm saying.
This is now a flat girl theory thread
>>708578468
I concur with your concurence, he fucked up.
Faggot.
>>708578692
no it's not. This is now a big floppers thread.
POST YOUR BIGGEST NASTIEST FLOPPERS!
>>708578444
How is the phrase "accelerating upwards" wrong ? That doesn't even make sense.
>>708578773
I concur with your concurrence of his concurrence, faggots.
>>708578692
I'm okay with that. I wouldn't say no to her.
>>708578804
Meant to include the words that follow it. But iPhone is being fucking autistic
>>708578802
Big floppers are a conspiracy!
>>708577892
Don't worry about it.
>>708579077
I'm still not sure what you're getting at. Can you explain it on your non autistic phone?
>>708579100
I'm of the small camp that believes the sizes if the sun and moon are consistent with RET. So you're right, not a problem.
>>708561216
picture related really makes you think
more so than the flat earth theory
>>708576819
Yeah, I'm trying to give thoughtful replies here. Kind of went off the rails.
Guys in the military know their equipment isn't calibrated for big floppers, that's why over half of the Flat Girl Society is made of of ex-military
>>708563418
you're retarded
>>708579485
What, are you saying the idea is that the sun and moon just mysteriously shrink and expand?
This is looking like another win for FET and myself.
>>708580026
Not even a little.
>>708580019
Okay.
>>708556425
http://www.atlanteanconspiracy.com/2015/09/dinosaur-hoax-dinosaurs-never-existed.html
>>708580245
I'm asking if that's what flat earth 'theorists' believe.
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vinson_Massif
>>708580604
If what is what we believe? Be more clear please. I'm not sure about the relevance of that settlement.
>>708581109
Okay?
>>708580880
Simple; do flat earth theorists believe that the Moon and the Sun shrink and expand?
Because if that's the case then that means if we were no the moon, then Earth would shrink as well.
>>708581456
I said no.
>>708556425
getting crazy...
One paradigm-shattering truth after another! I am seriously at the point where I am starting to see that the entire system as a lie. It's crumbling down around me and I am jumping for joy! Now I know why as a child I was so reluctant to believe many of the popularized myths like Dinosaurs and Space Travel. They just never rang true for me! And now they're laughable. Thank god I didn't invest too many neural pathways into BS things like this.
