Last one died >>708542913
God Tier here, Computer Engineer
>>708555640
Computer Engineer lol. You mean IT Tech OP... which is proper shit tier.
>>708555640
engineering god tier hahahaha
engineers are lazy dumbasses. i work with electrical civil & mechanical and they dont know shit. they just leech off the workers. some self hating engineer really wanted an ego boost by making that pic after they realized they spent 100grand learning nothing applicable to the real world
Does it bother you that a medical device salesman makes more money than you and the hardest course they take is algebra?
>>708555877
>>708556121
What is your career then faggot?
Computer Engineering is a broad career you jackasses. I work as a computer hardware engineer
The truth I've found about engineering is that you better love it because the pay is average and the responsibility is large. It doesn't make me better than anyone.
>>708555640
>business
>low tier
>computer science
>mid tier
>chemistry and astronomy
>god tier
>everything else not listed
>shit tier
ishygddt
>>708556642
you periodic?
>>708556910
Good luck finding a job majoring in Chemistry. What will you work as? Lab tech?
Animation, shit tier. Though I have a guaranteed job in said field after I graduate. I'll probably kill myself before then anyway.
>>708556642
pipe fitter + welder. i can do electrical work on the side too.
120k/yr for piss easy work. hope to be at 200k when i start working more.
engineers think they are going to walk onsite and find 500 things to fix and improve. in reality, the workers are already highly efficient and have better foresight of problems.
so the engineers just hang on for the ride for a few months and quit after they realized they were useless. they say they thought theyd be going into "research" but thats taken by the pure scientists. engineers are a useless middleman.
>>708555640
what do you do as a computer engineer (id look it up but i want to know what you do)
>>708557107
chemists have the best job security: chem eng.
after a company realizes a chem eng doesnt know anything, they call in the chemists
>>708555640
How much do you make?
>>708557414
Are you able to provide any labor statistics to prove that or did you just fish that out of your ass?
Top teir. 2nd year pharma student.
Have 2 internships lined up this summer for united drug and Pfizer. Gonna be sweet.
>>708555640
Medicine Fag here... Fuck off, dumb assholes
>>708557188
Welders think they know everything. They have an "arm chair quarterback" solution to every problem. I really respect what they do but it's a lot easier to be the critic than it is to be the guy designing. That being said I think engineer should be required to do the job of those they instruct for at least a small amount of time.
>>708555640
What about Mechanical Drafter, that's AT LEAST mid-tier. 50k+ a year, bro.
>>708555640
What the fuck kind of breakdown is this? For a college boy, you aint very smart.
>>708555640
God tier? HAHAHAHAHHAH
Nuclear Engineer here faggots
>>708557825
neighbor is an organic chemist. he says this happens all the time.
organic chemistry is the least popular and most chem eng take that class just to pass it. they think it wont apply in the real world.
but the truth is that pure scientists like ochems actually take interest in their field. engineers do it for the $$ and dont learn as much. less useful.
talk to a chem eng, they will tell you their jobs are being babysat by pure scientists
>>708555640
History and economics are rad tho
>>708557893
Is med school hard? How much do you make?
I can't help but wish "god tier" got "top tier"pay
Shit tier theater & script writing major checking in.
>>708558048
welders are the least arm chair people on the planet. are you fucking dumb?
the eng come to the sites thinking they will be drawing on the computer for 5 hours. when i tell them to pick up a pipe or measure something, they get visibly offended. they do not want to work.
eng also do not design anything. welders are the ones drawing up the blueprints before we go on site. and we sometimes have physicist consultants. the eng dont have the knowledge of a physicist or the foresight of worker
>>708558359
Again, any reports by bureau of labor? Any reports by a major firm? Or just making shit up again?
>>708555640
>>708558665
As someone who'll be working in pharma industry, I can tell you it does.
A person who specialises in HPLC can and will make upwards of €80k as a starting point. A starting point.
>>708558848
talk to a chemist and ask them. idc about manipulated statistics. i get first hand accounts from people in the industry.
Haha, I make music and I'm sure that I make more money then y'all. I love my job and I love my fans.
>>708559203
Nobody asked you, Taylor.
>>708555640
Is this chart accurate?
Im about to go to college in fall of 2017 and undecided is not an option so i just chose mechanical engineer and comp. Sci. Because i feel it would be something i am interested in.Can someone provide some advice because i dont want to have any regrets.
>>708558848
I actually have a chemical engineering M.S. from the 2nd highest ranking chemical engineering in my state. From my experience (4 years), what he's saying is unfortunately true. The chemical engineering curriculum is sloppy and the job is just like any other. You have to be trained by chemists and confirm everything with them. The main role of the engineers is the math which is not very complex in chemistry. The chemists usually take care of it.
Is nobody going to challenge computer science being mid tier? How about the massive amount of jobs available, and the massive amount of jobs to be coming out with technologies such as deep learning, IoT, and 5G? Or how a computer scientist with hardware knowledge essentially becomes a hardware engineer when they write FPGA firmware?
>>708559417
>mechanical engineer and comp. Sci.
You gonna get raped if you think you can double major those two.
Professionnal seafarer. Where do you put that in your chart?
>>708559752
>>mechanical engineer and comp. Sci.
>You gonna get raped if you think you can double major those two.
Not double major, just choosing one but those are my two options
I work and study in maintenance what is my tier ?
>>708555640
Clinical psychologist which is low tier according to this. Interdasting
>>708559752
choose one or the other.
i would go with cs. you can double major with comp eng if you want.
mech eng are useless on site and thetes too many of them. its the easiest eng degree. barely any jobs.
Chemical engineer working at a corn mill reporting
funny im listed as god tier under engineering (acoustical, clients being oil companies, construction, etc.)
yet still make 18$ an hour (25 years old)
Finance/Stats here.
>mfw im a STEMfag without even meaning to
>>708559994
I'm a Senior in undergrad about to apply for clinical psych programs. Where did you go? How bad is writing a dissertation?
>>708556860
god damn so true
>>708557885
>internships
>>708558823
Welders don't draw anything in my line of work. If you think all engineers are afraid to pull tape, turn, a wrench or tack, you must work with some real pussies. I assure you, I design everything that I ask those guys to weld together or build. My gripe is that there are a lot of arrogant shop guys who have an antagonistic attitude towards anyone with an engineering degree. If they had to do what I did and be the one who answers to the CEOs they might feel differently
>>708558245
assuming military
laughing
>>708560212
useless in the real world
>>708560074
whats it like being babysat by chemists 10x smarter and more knowledgeable than you?
>>708559994
psych is easy with little use. you cant even sell drugs, you just listen to assholes bitch all day
>>708559988
in the real world you are god tier. what kind of maintenance? ive been looking into turbine
>>708559988
>>708559872
Think you & I are mid tier friend. We work in the shadows, but without us it's all downhill baby.
Physics/Math double major. Anybody know what kinds jobs are out there for theoretical physicists?
>>708560507
>experience before degree
What's not to love?
>>708559203
post your music then
Why the actual fuck is physics math or chem in god tier. You sit in a lab and dont make as much money as you think
>>708555640
>IT
>low tier
Average starting salary in the US for a cyber sec analyst is 70k
>>708560629
the whole no pay to shit pay part with no guaranteed (good) job after and a ton of competition in your field
>>708560558
>if it doesn't provide a direct, immediate, and tangible benefit it's useless
Spotted the arrogant tradesman.
>>708560801
right gl getting that job though
ask the guys in dubai
Im medschool and this list is bullshit
History
>shit tier
outta here niggers
Pure Mathematics is the only God-tier profession. We deal in absolute truths, and rarely have to stoop so low as to deal with reality -- the lowly come to us when they have a problem and aren't clever enough to hack together anything on their own (which happens quite often). But the absolute truths are only relative to some axiomatic system, you claim? Well statements about the consequences of axiomatic systems are themselves the only absolute truths, I respond. Empiricists, read about epistemological structural realism, and then we will talk. Skeptics, yeah you're right but you gotta try, you know? We have thought of all the problems, all the questions, all the ideas; we deal in ideas, catalog them, exhaust every possibility, until we have a better grasp of the situation than anyone else could imagine possible.
Prove me wrong. Except first you'd probably have to have a better understanding of the very concept of proof than I... a very unlikely thing indeed.
>>708560761
Chem should be top tier, but physics and math are the purest sciences. Pay is irrelevant.
>>708560626
ask niel degrass
>>708559341
OP clearly did.
>>708560673
Nah, you would not even believe me.
>>708560527
pipe fitters do more designing than engineers. not the welders my bad. i was wrong. everyone where i work can do both. and we are all very good at math so that leaves the eng out of luck.
i have some eng friends and they all do pipefitting work when necessary. they expect it. but a lot just wont around here. they want to sit on the computer all day.
>>708560975
>you wouldn't believe me
what kind of stupid shit is that
post it jesus christ
>>708560972
I don't think I'll ever be a celebrity scientist, I'd be content to be an unknown theorist in a lab somewhere.
Math is dogshit money wise I know plumbers who make way more than you
>>708560914
it really is though
i can learn your entire field and then some purely with google
in b4 you can say that about any field
no
>>708560558
I'm doing the maintenance in an industrial laundry so I repair big washing machine, conveyor (for the clothes) and a lot of other stuff.
But when I finish my 2 years of "alternance" (sorry I didn't find the English for this), that mean I do 2 weeks of study + 2 weeks of work/month while getting a salary (around 750€), I will go work in the domain of the theme parks (rollercoaster and flat rides)
>>708560820
I know I'll get a job, and when I apply, I'll have two companies on my cv. Sure, Pfizer have a graduation programme with my college. They take on 50 students every year for a total of 2 years.
I think they'd than more likely pick those who already have the experience.
>>708560894
Lol must be DO school. M4 here got my dick sucked by a nurse on nights twice this week. Woooooo good life
>>708561119
I'd rather be an undervalued pastor of ideas than an overvalued poop technician.
> Law in top tier
you guys are just complete retards
>>708560020
>barely any jobs
lol
>>708561189
hey i wish the best of luck to you
i just know that theres a shit ton of competition and as an engineer myself working for a boss making 30 million a year with a total of maybe 50 employees im getting paid less than 100 grand due to the fact that there are so many people that can do my job as well happily with my pay making it difficult for me to ask for more without 10 more years of experience
>>708560558
literally all the chemists I work with just work in the main lab and do samples on shit i bring them
all of the actual operation and design is mech es and chem es
stay mad i guess? not sure what you're on about tbh
My girlfriend and I are Architecture and I feel like we're at least Mid. :(
>>708559417
Study math if you don't want to have any regrets.
>>708560922
Not even dubs can save you from being this fucking retarded. God damn poindexter probs cut out a hole in gen calc book so he can fuck it and call it his waifu
>>708560558
There's more to psychology than what you learned in high school. Pretty sure you're trolling or have a very limited understanding of its practicality.
>>708558048
If you work onsite in any manual labor job you will learn to absolutely hate engineers. These guys most likely have never even step foot in a home depot. Engineers are hype
>>708560820
>Doesn't know about paid internships
>Doesn't know that you're practically guaranteed to get the job if you're not shit during your internship
>>708561446
Thank you, much appreciated.
Upwards and onwards.
Are you not living comfortably enough with that wage?
>>708555640
Apparently, I started in "Shit Tier", but now since I'm in Law, I'm Top Tier.
>>708555640
while I agree computer engineering is god tier. It's more computer science than engineering. So that list doesn't properly place you.
>>708559521
It might be outdated with what the current job market is like.
Education major here, doin it for the summers off
economics is definitely higher than low tier. at least top tier if not god tier. the maths involved is harder than anything you'd see in chemistry
>>708561620
Please try to tidy up your thoughts a little bit before presenting them. This is, as the physicists like to say, "not even wrong." There is no intelligible content in what you have said.
>>708560922
you know how many professions deal in math without being bound purely to it. aka any job that does is more practical than just a pure math major
>>708555640
I'm a lawyer. I live in a nice neighborhood. Ain't a goddamn engineer, physicist, mathematician, chemist, or astronomer living around here. In fact, there's more contractors and business owners that are mah neighbors. Enjoy renting an apartment for the rest of your adult life, OP.
>>708555640
God Tier here, Business owner
Did 6 months in the college penitentiary before I got out.
>>708561869
Which professions deal in math without being bound to it?
>>708555640
mfw all im good at is shit and low tier
>>708561764
no i am
i just see my boss making 30 million a year working 40 hours a week purely answering phone calls locking in deals and delegating work to his peons (me) and think being a business owner is really the only god tier profession
his son will inherit the business (who i went to high school with, who i am shit tons smarter than no offense to him as hes a really great guy, but still)
Why the fuck is computer science mid tier
>>708555640
>business
>low
>cs
>mid
What the fuck standards are you using, OP?
>>708560626
teaching or cyber security.
>>708560761
because they design everything, do all the research, and arent afraid to do actual work
>>708560857
if an eng is willing to use their hands, im with it. but many have expectations they are going to design something then crack the whip on site. truth is i have done more designing than the eng i work with, they just fine tune it bc i cant code math on a computer
>>708560922
pure math is retarded if it doesnt apply to the real world. idgaf about your 10dimensional fictional universes and gaussian asymptotic assholes
>>708561187
great work anon! thanks for contributing to society
>>708561398
good luck getting a mech eng jobs when the gov cuts funding to infrastructure and theres 500 others conpeting for the same job. you will end up on angies list as a consultant
>>708561464
you get babysat
>>708561636
ik there is. im saying its not useful.
>>708561650
anon gets it.
>>708561904
What was your pre-law?
lets be honest for once.
economics belongs to god tier.
normies like engineers should go to shit tier, thinking they are cool and all with their skills that took 2 years to get to.
>>708561972
Architechture-fag here. We do a lot.
What are your opinions on working on an oil rig? I've heard that supervisors make 250k. This isnt my first choice, but if I cant get a job as a programmer/foresics, this will be my go-to choice. I feel if I cant get those jobs, I dont deserve to live, so the chance of dying doesnt mean anything to me
>>708557885
are they paid on?
>>708562093
If you don't "gaf" about my 10 dimensional fictional universes, then you will not be able to access them. It really is liberating and empowering to have access to intellectual resources of which others remain ignorant.
>>708555640
Audio Engineering.
Sticking with God Tier since I have to know the science behind manipulating audio as well as an understanding of business and music. And music law, since half my work is freelance, hence independently contracted. Had to learn about PRO's, LLC's, etc etc. But it's God Tier because it combines all of those things to make multimedia audio (music, film, tv, videogames, toys, commercials/trailers, amusement park attractions, etc.) as clean an enjoyable to listen to as possible. I love what I do, working with music all day every day and hopefully soon some indie film/tv gigs.
>>708562145
Fucking sucks but can be very rewarding if you don't mind the risk of a limb being torn off.
>>708561851
Except in the end all you do is just guess where as real mathematicians have to be accurate . i could live my entire life never being influenced by an economist but music everybody needs
>>708561972
my company uses math every single day and has no need for a single math major - engineering firm
>>708560975
Mr. Gucci Mane?
I Love your work!
>>708562069
I suppose that's a kick in the teeth. Would you not see yourself making more? Moving on from the company?
>>708562199
The ones lined up for this summer are not, but the program after I get my degree is. Which I'm banking on so much.
International Business and Arabic,
life is good
>>708562126
Yes, I have respect for architects. They design buildings. Anyone can be trained to design buildings. Can anyone be trained to invent the geometry necessary to make the buildings stand straight?
>>708561851
Economics math is shit.
>>708562250
GL getting a job that pays more than 20 bucks an hour (if u can even get that)
likely bound to unpaid internships for the next 10 years (i know i majored in it)
i promise you - out of everyone i know that graduated audio engineering BACHELORS degree (at SAE los angeles -> SAE oxford) only maybe 10% are getting paid for work in the field
work in acoustical engineering now thankfully getting paid quite well but only got the job due to high school contact
>>708562262
Limb being torn off? Im not going to be doing to dirty work (Im not that low), a position as a supervisor or something better suits me
>>708562265
Accuracy is liberating.
>>708560975
I know Taylor Swift is confirmed a /b/tard so it might be her. Could also be any other 18 to 25 artist.
>>708562450
Mathematicians don't design shit just work off of the same old shit, blow it out your arse.
>>708562315
It's quite common for the mathematically uninclined (e.g., engineers) to delude themselves into thinking they don't need math. I don't blame you. It can be difficult to predict the impact that incorporating better maths into your program would have, especially if you are less experienced in the field.
>>708562425
ill certainly make more over time, probably capping out at 200 grand - which is good pay but i live in los angeles so its really just mid class.
i can try and open my own engineering firm and compete with him but the dude is quite a shrude business man and ive watched many attempt this and fail miserably
hes got all the mail oil producing states on lock down, california - texas, pennsylvania (well entire NE), and colorado
In all of these fields there are shit tier PEOPLE.
>Software Engineer here and 50% of the people I work with are dullards
>>708560975
Is anybody dumb enough to buy this? It'd be extremely easy for you to prove who you are.
>>708555640
I want to get into the astronomy field. What are some things besides mathematics and physics I should know?
>>708561675
actually there's no difference between a person doing an internship and a person who isn't. Anon have you've used actual references? Their hiring rate are ALMOST the SAME by 1%
>>708561858
Lol. I'll make it simpler for you. Billy has his head shoved so far up his ass thinking he is awesome because he just learned algebra, that he literally can't breath. He will die from lack of oxygen. And he's fucking an inanimate object because he is also really, really fucking weird.
>night night autist
>>708562676
We design things you couldn't dream of. I literally can't describe them to you, because your small-minded worldview renders you incapable of reconciling my reality with your own.
>>708562498
at school level yes at masters and phd level no. game theory is pure maths
>>708555640
Where the fuck do i fit?
Bio major here
>>708555640
>industrial pharmacy not on god tier
I am gonna tell my boss at Pfizer to rape you to death
>>708562069
any owner with more than 3 employees is an absolute cancer to society. owners do ZERO work. they collect paychecks and run companies straight into the ground. i hope every owner on the planet hurts themself
>>708562111
implying economicisists or whatever theyre called arent just pawns of scumbag owners get rich quick scheme
>>708562145
terrible conditions great pay. if youre tough, go for it.
>>708562250
better than most eng but def not godtier. music industry could be erased and the world would advance
>>708562427
fuck business majors. scum who will do no work
>>708562450
no one invents geometry faggot. we just make use of it and yes anyone can be trained to do that
>>708562543
doesnt matter, you will have to get down n dirty at times
>>708562676
architects arent mathemeticians retard
>>708562703
fuck you but idk why
>>708561340
I always knew med school had to be a more racy version of Scrubs!
>>708562703
i think youre just being ignorant now if you dont think we're using math for predictions in our field as accurately as the technology right now allows for.
considering the formulae we use have been perfected (by, i suppose potentially, you mathematicians, and thank you for that, but now we have them and theres not much need else for you in my particular field at least)
i really don't see any advances in acoustics mathematics (my field) annnny time soon as we've pretty much gotten as accurate as humanly necessary.
>>708562874
Algebra? Try Teichmuller theory.
>>708562709
I'd be happy enough with less than half of that pay.
I was always told growing up that money isn't everything. Sure, it makes life easier - but not always better.
>>708563078
In Ireland by any change?
>>708562993
Game theory is close. It really is. I do have increased respect for people who have had contact with that discipline, because it really does touch on the principles of generality and rigor that I hold so dear. But there is so, so much more out there.
>>708563106
Wasn't calling architects mathematicians, was making the same point you were making to >>708562450 you mong.
>>708563106
someone has god complex ^
>>708562968
Lmfao all you needed to end that paragraph was "and in this moment i am euphoric"
>>708563153
Shit is off the hook. Errybody boning errybody erryday.
>>708563106
No one invented geometry? Do you think it always existed? Have you heard of non-Euclidean geometry? Mathematicians invent things much, much more general and useful than geometry on a weekly basis. But yes, keep working your 9-5; stay out of my hair.
>>708563321
youre right
but like i said i live in LA and was born here - and as such am surrounded by ideologies permeated with self esteem dictated by wealth and its just a sad indictment of the society i live in
>>708562499
I'm already getting freelance gigs for meh pay, also still in school for it for another 6 months. Supposedly my school does a pretty good job at helping graduates from the AE program find work. It's a rigorous curriculum so not many people that take it on actually end up graduating with an AE certificate, but of those that do, more than half are getting paid in their field, one of them is now making over 6 figures.
I also know someone that graduated from LARS and is making money on it (i think he does something else too though).
Point is I'm thankful for a school that makes it difficult to graduate by throwing in the deep end and making you get hands on before you're mentally ready, then those that make it through get career assistance.
As for film/tv work, my core post-production instructor is a multiple academy award winning sound engineer, and now she owns her own post house whose employees are 100% graduates from the school she teaches at.
And like you said you got a job in acoustic engineering thanks to a high school contact. These sorts of hookups are essential to make it in this industry, it's why I laugh at the supernerds I see starting classes because they're interested in sound but have no fucking social skills whatsoever. Good luck, buddy.
>be me
>don't want much in life
>decide to go for Business Administration for 2 years in a community college, only 3,500 a semester
>assume that if I cannot start my own little musical instrument store with repair, I can be a manager at some shit job without having to be garbage-tier first
Good choice for wanting to stay middle class?
>>708563191
Ok cool story bro. If I had known you knew titsmuller theory well I would have shut up and paid respect. Keep fucking that textbook.
>>708562859
Get used to computers. Programming is key to science. Use math to describe the universe and use computers to prosess all the information
Where does O&G Service electrician fit in?
>>708563321
No, Brazil. It feels like fucking hell here right now, i am melting
>>708563581
Wtf community college charges that much ?
>>708563106
>music industry could be erased and the world would advance
I think music predates the word "industry", or language in general for that matter. So sure it "could" cease to exist if you want to get autistic levels of theoretical, but here in reality it will NEVER EVER disappear.
>>708563162
You have stated very clearly the biggest lie that non-mathematicians tell themselves. That the math has been perfected, so now we might as well just use it, without striving to understand where it came from. Just a hint - math as you know it is far from perfect. That's why people become mathematicians. Because there is a point where you acousticians become limited by the current state of the math, where you can't wiggle the wires to make things work better anymore, and you need to come back to us, to get something bigger and better.
>>708563542
i wish you the best of luck as well
from what i've personally gathered is that the people that realy make it in the field end up opening their own studios - and id reccomend you start working on that yourself even if its just a bit at a time (which by your statement of freelance gigs it sounds like you are)
you're just gonna have to work hard and be crazy social like you said - as that industry is (again like you said) so about meeting people
you live in LA?
>>708563532
Just know yourself that you're not governed by wealth. I know people with rich daddies that can afford anything and everything. They're not particularly the nicest of people to be around.
>>708563689
Come work in many of the plants in Ireland. They're always looking for staff and ever expanding.
>>708563495
Oh but I am. It is transcendent.
Software Engineer. I double majored in Computer Science and Mathematics. First job out of college was working for NASA. Pretty lucky.
>>708562543
my friends boss sits in his truck all day playing games and smokes when "supervising" heard some similar stories on road construction sites too.
>>708563663
Ok I will start with computer science. Thanks
>>708563647
A healthy respect for the work of those who came before us is one of many things that differentiates us. Textbooks are amazing things - why not learn from the best? I have 30 on my desk at the moment.
>>708563663
you are right
as an engineer i depend enTIRELY on computer programming engineers to develop the software that i use on a day to day basis
(about 15 or so programs i use in my job regularly, all of which make my job possible wihout id not even have one)
acoustical engineering fag here
this being the one i use the most:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4uyMKAZ7TI
First year med student still god tier?
>>708563106
It's always fun when random idiots decide they know everything.
>>708563663
Yes computers are good for using math
>>708563841
I commute to LA! Finding a roommate and moving out there asap. And yes I would love to run my own studio! Get lucky and have a future hitmaking artist record an album there, vibe with me and my sound, they never go to anyone else in fear of their sound changing to something else, ???, profit!
>>708562859
a tiny bit of chem but tbh you will learn chem in a physics program
>>708563069
god tier. fuck engineers pure scientists all the way
>>708563162
>prentious asshole hates on someone who actually does work
>>708563321
money is as valuable as you make it. id rather work making just enough to live and have fun in life than a rich asshole who cant live without objects
>>708563469
just saying anyone who doesnt actually contribute productively to society like most engineers should be shipped to jupiter
>>708563523
you cant invent math retard, you can only discover and make use of it.
non euclid math is absolutely pointless and has no real world application. we live in a flat 3d space end of discussion.
>>708563581
if you dont mind hating your job. but you will be lower middle class
>>708563780
i know. im just judging its usefulness. music not very useful compared to other areas. i do appreciate your work tho.
>>708563956
nasa is an embarassment. wasting time on space travel that will never happen instead of where the real gold is-virtual reality
Frenchfag reporting, I'm currently taking a double license in mathematics and, of all things, philosophy.
You read that right. How fucked am I ?
>>708564230
Hmmm... I have no pitty for you.
Good luck in your endeavors though, whatever they might be.
>>708563783
i mean you might be right - but ill tell you right now the programs we use predict decibel levels to a degree accurate enough to do our job very very well
any more accuracy won't really make a huge difference, in MY field. others - it certainly will
>>708558359
chemE here. organic chemistry is legitimately useless for most of us. all we need to know is fluid dynamics, heat transfer, and the specific chemistry to OUR process. the courses "Organic Chemistry 1 & 2 are completely useless. I don't need to know how to classify random organic molecules, nor do I need to understand the reverse mechanics of a complicated synthesis.
They do their job so I have something to do, then I do my job so the chemists can keep doing what did the first time.
>chemist develops tiny, non-scalable reaction
>chemist declares the product it useful to the world
>chemist hands product over to business
>business determines that X pounds of product would be profitable at Y production cost
>business hands product over to chemE
>chemE develops process to product said product profitably
>chemE delivers on said process
The chemist is useless after step 2.
so i don't go off on a major tangent here,
i may have a chance to grab an IT security job, any tips/advice/warnings/etc?
>>708555640
Move psychology to shit tier.
Data engineer AMA
>>708563663
>>708564172
so much this. Audio engineer chiming in to state the obvious: my job is impossible without a computer. DAWs and sound processors especially but also virtual instruments. Sure there was a timewhen recording to tape was all the rage but it's not like comparing film to digital video where an argument could be made, digital delivery is the future for music, and it depends on soooooo many different types of computer programs to make it all possible.
>>708564133
>21st century
>using big ass textbooks
>not using pdfs and Ebooks
>using an index
>not using ctrl + f
Wasting this much time
Pretending to be something you're not
I imagine you roll on b for the occasional intellectual chat whilst waiting for a good trap or fluffy thread
>>708563857
that is true - i know a lot of people born rich as shit and quite a few of them are just terrible people
but i do know some that are humble as shit great people (thank to their parents really)
then there are these kids who are on permanent holiday 24/7 365 days a year (literally) when looking at their instagram and i cant understand how their parents allow it - theyre in a new country every month
>>708564230
Inventing and discovering are different only insofar as you choose to distinguish yourself from your environment. I understand how physics has deluded you into thinking that geometry is only useful for describing the space we live in. You'd be surprised how much of the information we process daily can be described and managed using highly non-euclidean geometry.
Medicine is thee top of God Tier. It's work that is always needed. You spend every day helping people. Makes good money. Girls will suck your dick if you wear scrubs or a white coat. Depending on what you do, you can prescribe drugs. People respect those in medicine.
>>708556121
leeching is a valuable skill taught in most engineering curricula
>>708563956
What did you do at Nasa?
>>708564174
Not until you've fucked a hot nurse
>>708564374
Why are you doing philosophy?
>>708556121
lol, some law kid is mad
>>708564381
Are you even comfortable with Fourier analysis? Wavelets? Because those *are* the state of the art in acoustics. And they *are not* good enough for everything we might dream of doing.
fuck jobs, learn to think and face tragedy, to die with dignity... nothing else matters
>>708564438
This is a dumb comment. Organic chemistry is useful if you need to synthesize organic chemicals. Which many chemists like to do (c.f. the drug industry). Don't close your mind.
As someone who took a combined degree in shit tier and now has a well paying job with great benefits in something completely unrelated (I discovered in the last year of my degree just how much I hate teaching), I'd say you probably shouldn't take the chart too seriously. Obviously your degree matters for some jobs, but in a lot of cases, experience and networking matter a great deal more.
Also, it really helps if you can lie well. I'd say lying is one of the most crucial skills you can develop in life.
>>708564230
>bio
>god tier
it's time to stop posting for today
>>708555640
>business
>low tier
It deserves to be up there because that's the only major that matters in corporate America. You can know everything you can about engineering but chances are you will never not be a wage slave. At least business you can be your own boss
>>708564965
>>708564607
These textbooks are not available online. Go to a library sometime. The world is bigger than you can see from your bedroom. You won't believe how much is out there.
>>708565075
>if you need to synthesize organic chemicals
Wrong. The synthesis itself doesn't require deep knowledge of the subject. The initial synthesis development does.
Studied 4 years in kikeland (israel) and I am a data engineer, no so hard, would recommend
>>708565186
exactly... this kid gets it
Hey guys I'm thinking of going for a dentist/orthodontist.
Any requirements? (apart from bachelor's degree, 4 years of dental school) how much debt will i be in by the time i actually start working?
Which is less stressful?
Not worrying about pay because both will get me rich
Oh and do i have to work at some Faggot's office? Or can i work at some kiddie dental shit. Like kool smiles
>>708564677
I respect doctors. They aren't as clever as mathematicians, but they do honest work that has a direct impact on peoples' lives.
>>708564965
On the contrary - what you do with the time you have is all that matters. And matter it does.
>>708564230
>im just judging its usefulness. music not very useful compared to other areas
That kinda seems debatable. If its a career, it offers some sort of use, either a mechanical one or an emotional one, or possibly something else.
In the case of music, considering the fact that every human enjoys some form of it and are affected emotionally by music more than visual art (for most people) I would say music has a pretty non-negligible role in society.
>>708564926
ill tell you this.
the only progress needed in my field for acoustical prediction is in frequecy visualization via beam forming arrays in order to show through visualization the exact location of the source of a sound and its frequency
specifically only in the lower frequency spectrums though - high frequencies we can already quite accurately predict location of - but due to wavelengths of low frequencies its very difficult to pinpoint the location of a sound source through beam forming arrays - and in that respect i will admit that we indeed do have some ways to go.
but in order to do the job that we need to do to appease our clients, we seem to be doing pretty fine and dandy!
Music shouldn't be shit tier lmaoo
>>708561650
Would it surprise you to know that I do work on site as well as design. You don't see what goes on before the blueprints get to you. You will never see the late nights and weekends. You will never see the calculations or rejected concepts. You only see the final execution of a plan. I am aware tradesmen typically start off hating me. There are a lot of engineers that came before me that gave them good reason. They aren't all hype and the best are hands on. You will only see a small piece of what they do often delegated to those with less experience.
>>708557107
Chem, astronomy and gen are shit tier....lowest paying jobs!
>>708564926
that is the only progress that i know of currently
>>708564965
Pretty hard to die with dignity when you spent your life picking food out of public garbage cans.
>>708565243
The same delusion as those who use math, but don't care to understand it. Doing the synthesis can be automated. If you don't want to be expendable labor, you might want to equip yourself with skills that are less easily automateable. And in the meantime be able to actually contribute new ideas.
>>708565408
I agree. Emotions matter.
>>708565404
Actually, it's impossible to know or describe "what you do with the time you have"
But it's a nice series of phrases, 1) "on the contrary"; 2) "what you do" etc. and 3) "and matter it does"
Nice interlocking triangle of phrases...
>>708565418
Audio engineering fag here, that sounds pretty sweet to me. Might have to think about getting into acoustics some day, I imagine a background in audio will help a bit, and certainly won't look bad.
>>708565459
it only is due to how fucking difficult / impossibly hard it is to become something in the field
surely those winning grammy's arent shit tier - but what % is that... or even close to it
>>708565320
can you faggots give me your fucking imput or what
>>708565518
Is it? Says who? Capitalism/work culture? Of course it does
>>708555640
I'm a broke ass fucking chemist. Get that shit off there.
>>708565418
Yes, it appeases the clients. But I bet you'd struggle if I asked you even the simplest conceptual questions, such as: why is it harder to pinpoint the location of a lower-frequency source? Is this a fundamental limitation, or can we overcome it?
>>708565737
it was the only background i had going in and learned on the job - and its really quite a lucrative field considering how few people are even aware of its existence let alone interested in joining the field
>>708564172
if you rely on a computer, you have no value. a computer is a tool not a career
>>708564186
offer something constructive or fuck off troll.
>>708564380
thanks for the luck. im already making way too mucj money for work i enjoy and is productive to society
>>708564438
ochem is useless when there are industries founded on organic materials. okay faggot stay pissed that chemists do all the work and all you know is fucking heat transfer. the only heat transfer you need to know is that i smoke your ass in any real world application. just like an ochem aho has intensely studied the real world has. you are only made possible bc chemists babysit you. any chemist could do the math for scaling their own production
>>708564654
listen mate. i know all about your topology and shit. i am saying it is not useful. you will never make something that improves my life from fucking graph theory and topology.
>>708564694
they teach it as a sister class on how to take credit for everything that goes right and blame workers when it goes wrong
>>708564774
mad at bullshit. yes who isnt?
>>708565080
yes. you get it. its all about experience in the real world and eho you know
>>708565098
pure science is resectable. eng are not
>>708565320
bachelors will be worse. once you start specializing, it gets easier. especially in a peasant subject like teeth. i respect your work tho. had to get a filling last week.
>>708565408
no. you can have a career thats not useful to society like marketing. music is meh. its good for like teenagers and depressed single moms but the industry spiraled way out of control.
>>708565500
suck my dick faggot. you wouldnt last 5 minutes in the real world thinkibg like this
>>708565843
look for companies hiring chem eng. wait a month and they will be hiring chems to fix their mistakes
>>708565513
I don't understand what you are saying. I meant, that is the state of the art in acoustics. It is not the state of the art in math, even in the part of math dealing with acoustic / wave phenomena
>>708565851
we can absolutely overcome it in due time (how i couldnt tell you or id be making quite a bit more money, and im certain you can't either considering massive companies like bruel & kjaer are working on this and have yet to succeed)
and i can tell you the reason is entirely due to the wavelength of the lower frequency spectrum - it is just too long compared to its higher frequency counterparts to accurately determine the exact location of its source
>>708565320
I need more imput from you cucks. ffs a simple opinion works
>>708560922
Autism speaks
>>708565669
I'm glad you like my interlocking triangle. I agree that it is impossible to know whether what we do matters; but I think it is somewhat more useful to believe that it does. Not sure you said what you meant, but it is clearly possible to describe what you do with your time... Just film it lol.
>>708564747
I did something called "classe préparatoire" or "prépa' ", which is basically 2 more years of highschool, mixed with a labor camp and really hardcore work (usually if I started homework and revisions without stopping directly upon getting home, I'd rarely finish before 23h00). At the end of that, I was fuckin fed up with the whole elitist competitive system, so I wanted to do something completely different, preferably with girls (there were 4 in my class of prépa). Then I found a university program that let me do philosophy, and math at what seemed to be a meme level compared to what I'd do in prépa, so I took that, and I just started my last year, which is when I'm realising that I'm basically fucked in terms of finding a job, because all I can do is write dissertations, or prove obscure theorems by mathematicians or analytical philosophers that have little to no real life applications. On the bright side, since the math is much more chill, I have time to learn to code and stuff on the side.
>>708565774
Says me. If you find a way to die with dignity having contributed nothing meaningful to the world while being treated like a disease in most places, then all the power to you. Whatever floats your boat and all that. I couldn't do it, but I know of at least one person who lives off of almost nothing while doing the occasional odd job when he needs cash. He seems reasonably happy.
Not saying it's impossible, just extremely unlikely.
>business
>low-tier
ahahahahahahahaha
Library Science here.
emphasis in digital preservation.
Guess I'm shit, but who else is gonna preserve all those VHS tapes, mang??
>>708565938
>if you rely on a computer, you have no value. a computer is a tool not a career
kek, you know so little yet assume so much
>its good for like teenagers and depressed single moms but the industry spiraled way out of control.
I have NEVER met a single audio engineer, mixer, recordist, producer, or designer that is either of those things lmfao. Stop pretending you know more than you do about the world. (or more realistically on /b/, just stop trolling and we'll stop taking the bait)
>Doing joint Business Management w/ Accounting & Finance.
So what are my chances according to /b/?
>>708555640
you can call music shit tier but i guarantee i make wayyyy more money than anyone in this thread. just work hard enough
>>708565938
I'm not interested in improving your life. Only my own, and the lives of those who respect me.
>>708566175
Work smart not hard
>>708556642
I'm studying for that, how is the field right now?
>>708565938
>rely on a computer etc. etc.
lol whaT!?
do you understand how impossibly ridicuous it is to think that people can by hand make mathematical predictions that computers make in any sort of timely fashion
Geologist here,
Much better job prospects than things like Pure Math, Chemistry, Physics & Astronomy.
Also i don't have to spend my life sitting behind a desk or bench inside doing experiments.
Guess it just depends on your opinion.
>>708566122
You didn't answer the question. Why does having a long wavelength make it hard to accurately determine the exact location of the source?
>>708566166
I would be careful not to conflate description with representation. You can visually represent yourself on film doing things, but think of how closely or not this translates into the idea of "what you do with your time." How long would you have to film someone writing a book, for example, or writing a series of books? Imagine you had to depict JK Rowling enriching the world with Harry Potter books. Not just writing them, but the entire process of affecting the culture... that's almost impossible to "show" or even to describe, film or not.
>>708566361
Maybe, or maybe you're in a garage band that tries to get a gig in a local bar once every few months, we'll never really know.
Anyway, music as a job - not bad I guess, money for nothing.
Music as an educational path, retarded.
>>708565938
It's funny because to one of my posts you call me a troll, and then to the other one you tell me I get it. Heh. Maybe I was being harsh. You do probably have a better grasp on the realities of the workforce than a lot of people, but you're acting like you somehow know the ins and outs of every job to ever exist, so you shouldn't be all that surprised that several others and myself are calling you out on it.
>>708566379
Indeed. The thing is: the French academic system still thinks it's the fuckin' enlightenment period, and the way it rewards work is still the same as in the 1700s where the amount of encyclopedic shit you knew was equal to how respectable a person you were.
>>708566175
That sounds honorable.
>>708565320
IMPUTTTT
>>708566582
that is the answer.... the length of the wave in itself is inherently the reason. you need to have full cycles close enough to eachother in order to have a more accurate location prediction - the further they are (aka the lower the freq) the more difficult to pinpoint
>>708566530
Computers are extremely useful tools.
>>708566586
Almost impossible. Says more about our technology than it says anything deep about the reality of reality.
>>708566582
>There's always this guy in every threat
>>708566854
yes thats what im sayin lol
>>708566756
The thing is: this makes French students smarter than other students.
>>708566571
I did geology too, the dream was sitting in a desert, chiping and rocks and pulling out fossils, the reality was monitoring for decaying shit leaching into the water at a dump, or stuck on an oilrig with Scots/
>>708566318
Your first job is probably going to be shit, but once you have a good 5 years of experience, you'll be laughing has you do 20 minutes of work and charge someone 80 bucks for it.
Or so my accounting friends tell me. Your experience may vary.
>>708566792
That is a heuristic justification more than a rigorous explanation. A true explanation would also give a clue as to where the claim may be malleable.
Women's studies major here
>>708567006
oilrig is def the most likely outcome
but dont most geologists know this going in (and it pays well so)
Shit tier here, early childhood education.
>>708566962
That's a wonderful quote in your image.
>>708567191
then lets hear it
>>708566917
Doesn't the limits of technology say something about the nature of reality however?
>>708566237
business majors are absolute parasites on society. they contribute nothing useful. only there to make someone else money. but keep thibking you are useful, zombie. the aristocrats love it.
>>708566253
i respect it.
>>708566255
i can go my whole life without listenibg to music and id be fine. its not essential.
and no, a computer is not a career even tho you prob spend your life on b leeching from your garbage parents
>>>708566318
lifelong screwup used as a pawn by a rich owner to make them money off of your work
>>708566376
you will never create anything useful for anyone with theoretical math based in non existant universes.
>>708566530
thats fine. that is using the computer as a tool. i am saying apply it to the real world.
>>708566571
all the badasses take geology tbh
>>708566582
longer wavelength =more chance of disturbance. but this isnt relevant in the realm of human hearing
>>708566639
i know more about most sciences and eng than most as well as labor jobs since ive spent at least 2 years in each.
>>708567216
you joke but its more respectable than engineers. womens oppresion is a serious issue and needs informed problem solvers
>>708565934
Neat-o thanks /b/ro
>>708567162
Nice. And what are you doing?
>>708567377
What's wrong with making the rich richer? ;)
>>708566361
This is simply not true. Unless you are ridiculously skilled, you will need to take a second job because most city orchestras do not pay nearly enough. Often that second job ends up being in teaching.
To be successful in music, I'd say networking matters almost as much as musical skill. If you're still studying, don't just tell yourself that if you work hard enough, you'll get a good job. Have a reasonable plan B.
B.A. in Political Science making $60k a year writing about oil news in South America. Travel every month.
Tell me again how I fucked up.
>>708555640
Im tech support, but my degree is in comp sci.
>>708567305
That's the fun of it. There is no good explanation, because there is no hard limitation. Your intuition can be formalized, simply by saying that the spatial derivative of a longer-wavelength wave is smaller than that of a shorter-wavelength wave, and it is this derivative averaged over the pixel size that determines the pixel accuracy (in terms of relative light amplitude) required to achieve a certain spatial resolution. Beam-forming is a fancy technique, I'll give you that, and it does complicate the situation, and itself somewhat overcome this limitation. But another limitation there is that you need larger detectors to resonate at larger wavelengths, and then you can't pack that many into a beam forming array. But now I'm deviating from math, so I'll let it rest.
>>708567332
Something. Just not what you were indicating it did.
>>708565604
>>708565938
Wow you chemist shills sure are mad about your shitty salaries.
ChemEs do real work because we're the ones actually making the product that pays your lab bills. We do that because our skillsets are different. I can run a chemical plant, I can work with operators, I can develop automation sequences, I can [safely] bring a plant down for work or up for run-normal.
Chemists have their place, and they're crazy to think it's in the "real world"
>>708567377
>women's studies
>more respectable than engineers
>still thinks bio is god tier
>>708567377
Completely wrong about the wavelength, unless you are referring to the specific frequencies at which ambient noise is greater. Math isn't based on any universes, that's the beauty of it. It is therefore useful in all universes.
>>708567544
Investigative work in government. I investigate people for fraud in regards to different kinds of claims. It's reasonably enjoyable, pays fairly well (not accounting/finance well, mind you), the job security is spectacular with room for advancement, and the benefits are great.
>>708566984
There are always plenty of foreign students that have some reason to be at the uni where I go, and it never struck me that they seemed less intelligent than us. Quite the opposite, really, they're generally more open-minded than the French sheeple, even the teachers say so.
I'm going to Colorado to live in a weed factory and sell legal drugs. Fuck you
>>708568034
What exactly was I indicating? My only point was that "what you do with your time" is hardly descriptive of anything. It doesn't connect to any rubric of value, it only somewhat invokes the cultural emphasis on "investing time" which is just a by-product of a society based on debtor-creditor relationships. That's my point; "what you do with your time" is basically an unknowable idea which can only be actualized by appealing to some shallow, probably secular and material cultural rubric.
To demonstrate this, simply give an example of what would be a "good" use of time, versus what would be a "bad" one and you will see what I mean.
>>708568284
Granted. Both approaches have their pros and cons.
>>708568345
I actually didn't mean investing time; I meant it quite literally, as the actions that you take combined with their short and long-term consequences. I believe that a "good" use of time is one that makes you (and possibly others, depending on your ethics) happy.
>>708555640
>TFW you realize that we're just blobs of consciousness that have never, and will never matter in the greater context of the universe, and an image like this only operates as a means to make ourselves feel better about something that is ultimately of no consequence whatsoever.
>>708568241
Do you live within the Commonwealth? Also what did you major in?
>>708568558
>>708568558
See
>>708568503
and previous. The only consequences are the literal consequences. John Lennon put it well: "Projecting our images in space and in time"
>>708568503
Fair enough, but there are limits to interpreting the way our actions affect ourselves and others over time. It supposes an ability to look on yourself, on your existence, and also on the existence of people around you from a distance, and be able to make a pure judgment. Which isn't easy to do, technology or no. So I still question the ultimate clarity of the phrase "how you spend your time."
>>708569087
Not easy to predict or understand. But undeniable that it does exist. Better to try, isn't it?
>>708568558
I didn't ask for a feels thread, yet I got one.
>>708567332
no the limits of technology is bc humans are dumbasses and cant figure out how to create technology thats lets us see really small things and really far away things.
if we had that technology, we would be disappointed that reality is nothing special. a deterministic universe with no inherent purpose.
>>708567544
bc when the rich win, the productive workers lose. the rich and the poor are both scumfuck parasites who steal from the workers. the workers are the only ones creating value.
>>708567623
depends on your writing and ability to see past the veneer of our fake society and expose the truth.
>>708567868
this where most cs majors end up. its okay, its a useful job.
>>708568140
im not a chemist.
and your job is easily replaceable by any chemist or physicist. notice that engineers do not run nuclear power plants, physicists do.
the truth you dont want to accept is that chem eng was a job specifically created to make owners richer. the chemist is the one who provides the value, they just let you keep their yards trimmed.
and your ability to bring down a plant is limited to a specific plant bc chemists taught you how. you didnt figure it out from your education. however a chemist could go to any plant and know how to run it
>>708568194
make a counter argument or fuck off. engineers are worthless
>>708568217
do you know what a wavelength is? its the frequency of photons emitted. longer wavelengths is a slower frequency which gives the emitter more time to react. but again, the effect is null in human range of hearing
>>708568503
the only things worth doing are those that improve your fellow humans lives. like how i educate 4chan
and no, USEFUL math is only in this reality. let me know when you invent somethibg thst improves the lives of humans with 11D math. you wont.
>>708568558
there is an immediate consequence tho. and that matters.
we have a duty to be productive and inprove lives while we are here.
God tier, Electrical Engineering
>>708569203
Well, I think personally I would classify "trying to understand how you spend your time" as a good use of your time. :)
>>708555640
Wait, I have a business degree with a focus in accounting and a minor in computer science/math. Where do I fall in this? :(
>>708569406
How do you know the universe is deterministic with no inherent purpose? Can a purposeless, completely deterministic mechanical universe explain the origin of life? Most scientists agree that it cannot.
>>708555640
philosophy and religion whooo
>>708569584
See:
>>708566318
>>708567162
>>708569406
Wrong, wavelength of audio has nothing to do with photons lol
>>708568286
Stupidly I moved from Colorado a year before they legalized pot there.
I have a friend who is a grower for a bunch of dispensaries in the Boulder/Denver area. I guess he got mentioned in an issue of High Times or something. Sounds wild. I wanna move back.
>>708568688
I had to Google what the Commonwealth actually meant, but seeing as I'm Canadian, I guess so.
I took a combined degree in music and education. You spend 5 years in school and wind up having 2 degrees. I didn't realize until my final year of university that I really did not like teaching, but I figured that I'd finish it off and see what I could find after graduation.
The online posting for my job actually wanted education in criminology, but I have a great CV and do quite well in interviews (it's very easy to apply skills developed in teaching to a variety of positions), so I got the job.
>>708555640
Engineering master race reporting in
>>708569406
>however a chemist could go to any plant and know how to run it
I've worked with dozens of chemists, from BS to PhD, and literally none of them thought they could do what engineers do. It's a different skillset, a different education, and requires a different type of person.
You must know some amazingly conceited scientists to truly think scientist > engineer for all scenarios.
>>708569406
>make a counter argument or fuck off.
>implying you actually have an argument to begin with
What's your argument and where is your evidence? All you've said is that you hate engineers and think almost any other degree is better i.e. biology and women's studies because they are better problem solvers and are more respectable- two degrees which are renowned for horrible pay, unemployment, and uselessness.
You just sounds like a guy who flunked out of his engineering program and now is bashing engis at every turn to feel better. Stay mad.
>>708555640
Mathematics is the shittiest job ever. Engineering is easy and I'd put Astronomy in top tier at best. Psychology deserves God tier and so does Computer Science.
>>708569576
ee are leaches. fuck off electricians do all the work and design better than you ever could
>>708569584
whats your job?
>>708569681
youre right that i cant explain the origin of matter (i assume you mean matter not life. life came from an organic molecule). but im working on it.
and that doesnt negate determinism.
and no scientist has ever successfully explained the beginning of matter. their curent theories are no better than religion.
>>708569816
what do you think waves are? they are photons in a wave formation.
think of shooting a machine gun up and down. looks like a wave from the side. but its particles in a wave formation. same with photons.
>>708570118
i worked with a hooker who said she cant suck as good as a gay man. does that mean no hooker can?
your education is really really specific. like i said, a chemist taught you how to do your job. chemists birthed chem eng. you might be able to press the right nozzles so to speak but the chemist created them and taught you how.
>>708570409
nah im a pipe fitter and welder making more money than most of the lazy engineers here.
pure sciences are more useful than engineers. engineers are leeches off of workers and researchers.
>>708555640
I got my M.S. in forestry and its pretty slick. I'm working as a consultant for public and private lands.Turns out if you're enjoy what you do and are good at it you can make a good living and enjoy everyday. God tier in my book.
>>708570847
>chemists birthed chem eng
programmers birthed software engineering, but that doesn't mean programmer > sEng for every situation. it's just false.
mechanics birthed mechanical engineering, but that doesn't mean mechanic > mEng for every situation. it's just false.
architects birthed civil engineering, but that doesn't mean architect > civil for every situation. it's just false.
biologists birthed biomolecular engineering, but that doesn't mean biologist > BME for every situation. it's just false.
a chemist couldn't design a reactor system, or a refinery feed train, or a distribution pipeline, or a tank farm...you're just wrong, dude.
>>708563857
Sweet. I am just in a Harry Potter marathon with my brother, castles, redheads, snow n shit; dank af
>>708555640
>>708570847
Okay, but what about intelligent life? Consciousness? How will you (or anyone) explain those things? That's kind of what I meant. Deterministic universe does not explain the arising of consciousness, or of the intelligibility of the world. Religion does, but not in a very specific way.
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BME is tough and pays well. It definitely should be above mech and civil.
Statistician reporting in.
