Is veganism an intellectually respectable position?
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Is veganism an intellectually respectable position?
we should hunt for our meat, not induce Matrix-style breeding.
hunting at least gives the prey a chance and it takes effort.
dog bless.
>>708474676
its ethical principles are commendable but ultimately futile. we evolved to eat meat and veggies. nature over nurture. best we can do is be as humane as possible when raising and slaughtering the animal for meat.
>>708474676
not inherently
but it can be justified from an intellectually respectable position
but it is a catch 22
not eating meat reduces brain function that makes using rational debate and scientific argument impossible
>>708474676
http://www.salon.com/2016/01/09/new_atheists_must_become_new_vegans_sam_harris_richard_dawkins_and_the_extra_burden_on_moral_leaders/
>>708474676
LMAO that's the funniest shit I've read all week
>>708475232
oh I know where this is going,,,
>>708474676
no
hunted food which ate other food and suffered, lived, died, is dead, develops through it's suffering a new good taste which is superior to postmodern trash
>>708475666
just sayin'... cuz religious people aren't required to care about animals, even though they are conscious beings capable of feeling pain. The bible says that animals were made for humans to dominate and do what they will with, so animal welfare doesn't really apply to them
>>708475973
just because we are the top of the food chain, doesn't mean we don't care about animals. we keep pets after all.
>>708476153
it's not a food chain, it's a food web. each species is interdependent on each other.
>>708474676
No.
>>708474676
Veganism to "save the animals and stop animal cruelty" is stupid. The reason cows and chickens are locked up in pens and humans are free is because we are smarter. Anyone that claims to be a vegan but wears name brand clothing that was probably made by a fucking 12 year old kid in some SEA country working a slave wage is a retard.
>>708474676
depends on why they're choosing veganism. This can go back and forth until everyone's blue in the face. No one's going to agree because the disagreements stems from difference in people's value systems/morals. Then there's the health side of things also largely debated since there's almost no research that's not biased on the subject.
>>708476641
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so fuck it all, eh? make no improvements, just succumb to entropy in the most idle way?
Thats it. stop all progress, because I want a hamburger dammit
>>708474900
Kek no
>>708474900
This is idiotic
>>708477064
don't reply to bait, it makes you look stupid.
>>708474676
No. It falls into the "I don't eat X", category.
If you accept that that position is valid, then you musy accept that all dietary fads are valid.
Now, take your pick, idiots.
>>708477631
>No. It falls into the "I don't eat X", category.
this can only be true if animals have no feelings and don't feel pain.
you wouldn't eat a child, I'm guessing
>>708477783
can someone decipher the end of that file name?
>>708474829
yeah, dressing in camo and hiding, then using guns is a totally fair fight
>>708477789
this is the internet you dont know if he actually has
>>708474676
yeah. the way meat is farmed is disgusting. veganism is essentially a boycott of factory farming.
>>708478639
kek
>>708478437
>implying anything is fair
The strong live the weak die...in the real world, not humanity and their fucked up m shit
>>708478437
we do all those because they have superior sensory organs and can flee way faster than we can peruse. Using guns is just more humane. Truth be told though we'd need to turn so much of our farm land back into forests to even get close to the amount of game we'd need to sustain 316 million people. Eating bugs is more ethical and environmentally less destructive than either option.
>>708474676
If it's because the vegan has a genuine physiological problem with digesting meat and animal products, then yes.
Otherwise, no and they have a psychological issue/eating disorder.
>>708474676
I don't care, unless you can't stop pushing it on others.
Then you're just a douche.
>>708479124
Does a priest that's celibate have a mental illness? Are people who abstain from alcohol defective? No, they have convictions and beliefs that supersede their baser instincts. Unless you're going to call the whole of humanity a collective illness for not living like animals I think it's a bit reductionist to draw the line there.
i cannot survive without meat, its hard to find food and stay full on no meat. i did it for a year but i cant see myself doing it for the rest of my life wihtout more money and free time
>>708474859
i like you anon.
>>708479534
>Does a priest that's celibate have a mental illness?
No, you don't need sex to survive. You don't need religion either, those are self imposed rules that have nothing to do with being a vegan. Stay on topic.
>Are people who abstain from alcohol defective?
No, just dull.
>No, they have convictions and beliefs that supersede their baser instincts. Unless you're going to call the whole of humanity a collective illness for not living like animals I think it's a bit reductionist to draw the line there.
Anyone on /b/ talking about rising above their baser instincts is clearly an idiot, troll or both. Nothing reductionist about it, if you have an actual gluten intolerance, then you shouldn't eat it. If you don't, but like to whine about it and abstain from gluten then you're a fool. Same with vegans-and don't get me started on the false sense of superiority they all get, the smug wankers.
>>708477789
Animals will feel pain and eventually die whether you eat them or not, if they can be killed with no pain at all then would you get off your high horse and have a fucking steak like a normal person, you cuck?
Also, I would completely eat a child just to find out how it tastes if I was in a situation where I could get away with it.
>>708477631
>If you accept that that position is valid, then you musy accept that all dietary fads are valid.
Fucking this.
>>708476933
So how would you fix it? No whiny posturing or 'pls everyone, save teh world, I'm having a sad'-give us a realistic and genuine alternative or plan to keep up demand and clean up the system.
>>708474676
Veganism is an eating disorder.
>>708480710
sex is necessary for the survival of the species it's instinctual.
>Anyone on /b/ talking about rising above their baser instincts is clearly an idiot, troll or both. Nothing reductionist about it,
literally even more reductionist than the last shit you said.
Anyone can be preachy about just about anything vegans and anti-gluten people have not cornered the market on being vocal assholes. Most of time people force shit on me it's people like you who know nothing and are so proud of their ignorance they try to force their shitty little view on everyone else.
>>708481180
solutions aren't done in an instant answer. just because science hasn't proven there's no god doesn't mean there is one either.
That out of the way, I'm for molecular engineering of meat for those who wish to continue to eat meat.
I klnow we're not there yet, but it's a probability especially if you want to know how a Star Trek replicator would work
>>708474676
No, it's purely emotional. Overly-emotional. I'm all for humane treatment of the food supply and support research in to synthetic or manufactured alternatives, but humans are omnivores.
>>708474676
Yes, but only for those of sufficient mental capacity to resist the tendency to be a pretentious preachy asshole that comes from eating only vegetables.
Who wants a hand burger?
>>708481180
not him but simplest most realistic means is:
moderate consumption and supplement with insect protein.
>>708477789
I would eat a child if not for the law and cannibalism-related disease and parasites.
>>708482156
what do you think of the friday the 13th game coming out next year? it looks fucking awesome
>>708482602
not him, but it looked kinda gay. The kills look too contextual and there's so far there's not like some bit where you can fuck with them while trying to stay hidden to make them increasingly scared for a higher score or some other kinda reward. Even conceptually it seems basic.
>>708481602
So...you've got nothing then? Fucking SJW.
>>708481879
Not complete but a better answer.
The insect protein thing is an interesting read, you can't tell ppl what's in things though. Westerners aren't ready for that shit.
>>708483065
my answer wasn't good enough for you? how about there are non-meat products available for consumption? that fast enough?
>>708474676
No because most herbivores are actually omnivores that will eat meat when given a chance.
>>708483319
just thinking about the kind of animals we are, doesn't give me a good view of a loving god... this is all quite barbaric.
>>708483319
Like dinosaurs?
>>708483056
we need minds like yours in gaming
>>708483233
eh most people don't eat their vegetables because they want to. They do it because they know it's good for them and they gotta because mom told them too all those years ago. Although if you look at americas meat consumption it's obvious we got in this situation from poor self control so idk how effective that would be. I do think if it was introduced to children at an early enough age it would not seem as strange. So long answer short; cultural engineering and what not.
>>708483783
there's nothing I want to do more. Yet I'll never amount to anything.
Fucking vegans ruining evolution. We didnt turn smart until we started eating cooked meat.
>>708484713
we didn't get "smart" until we started agriculture. Because it gave us ridiculous amounts of leisure time. Basically the whole of our culture and evolution was possible because some nigger was smart enough to realize this parthenogenic tree was always fruiting and dug up and dragged a lot of them to the same place.
>>708484961
You are really stupid and have a small understanding of human history.
Cooked meat have proteins needed for brain growth that you cant get anywhere else.
And the first crop was a kind of tasty grass.
But you dont care about that we where intelligent as hunter gatherers do you, cause that don't fit your vegan lunacy.
>>708485517
I'm not a vegan and you're such a fucking idiot you should probably kill yourself. Human intelligence is largely the product of language. It literally develops sections of your brain when you're a child. Children not exposed to language end up essentially feral for the rest of their life because no amount of post developmental exposure can change their brain. Most of the great apes have to some extent even the vegetarian ones have rudimentary language and signaling. Most researchers agree we had this kinda of language before we became homosapiens
In short, veganism is an intellectually respectable position.
However it can still be completely irrelevant to another person.
I'm primarily vegetarian, though sometimes I'll eat meat because I feel like it. I understand that meat produced as it is, is entirely unsustainable in our current environmental status.
but my not eating meat regularly has absolutely nothing to do with you, and if we can both acknowledge that then we're in a mature and adult position.
>>708486918
I wish I could have that reservation.
Personally, I can't get away from meat. I tried vegatarianism and forgot about 6 hours later.
>>708487039
It's fairly easy,
at least where I live, most restaurants try a lot harder on their vegetarian options, and it makes for a really tasty meal.
I still really enjoy a nice cut of steak every month or so, and it makes me look forward to it. but I wont go get KFC or anything that;
1. Makes me feel awful.
2. Treats their animals extremely poorly
3. Is extremely unhealthy for me.
If it doesn't fit into those categories, then I'll eat it if I feel like it.
Your diet doesn't have to fit a predefined design, as long as you feel good and it sits right with you morally then you're doing yourself good.
>>708487337
basically; live by your principles
>>708487561
yes, but don't push it on others, it makes a fool out of you and I.
>>708474676
I'll never stop eating meat, but there are actually a lot of heath benefits to veganism.
>>708474676
From an ethical, cruelty point of view I don't know.
However, Nutritionally, there's absolutely no reason to eat animal products. In fact populations that eat the least have the best health. (rural china/africa where there is enough money to get adequate food).
what dose everyone thing about stem-cell grown meat?
is it a humane alternative to slaugting animals or science gone too far?
If you are not a vegan you are an asshole.
What does every one have against hurting animals? Makes me feel like i'm top of the food chain. Fuck the animals, Humans for life.
>>708476933
you dont understand modern living is built by the rendering of animal and animal parts do you?
from the food we eat to the adhesives produced by animal carcasses we straight up thrive on the suffering of others.
how are you sopposed to "make progress" without regressing?
>>708488825
Spell Bad
One giant cluster-fuck of a movie
I'll just leave this here...
fuck your "regressing". I want meat. And i don't care what has to die so i can eat it. as i said fuck the animals. they are only food to me.
>>708488959
lol. Humans are a virus
>>708488825
The Humane Alternative
when the meat we grow begins to feed on us
>>708474676
Eating animals is cruel and agriculture is a huge contributor to Global Climate Change.
We must move beyond this barbarism. Hillary will help see to it that we are only allowed to eat plants.
>>708489167
is proof for
>>708488942
fucking assholes
>>708474676
Yeah why not, I mean I love meat and shit but I find pretty respectable starting a new diet without eggs milk and all the things that makes a life worthy to be lived, but yes, why not
>>708474676
'respectable' is the fuzzy word that you should be tearing to pieces in this essay.
Different types of veggies have MORE of what you gain from eating meat..
& you DONT have to eat tons of food. I'm a vegetarian body builder and I was able to pack more muscle on when I STOPPED eating meat. I also feel a lot more clear headed, and healthy..
My decision was made based on environmental & health... Eating living thing's that were raised as slaves isn't the greatest thing, but it isn't what stopped me from eating it..
Overall, it is cheaper & healthier..
Also to people saying were "EVOLVED" to eat meat... You EVOLVED to use your brain in particular ways, does that mean that's absolute? Nope.
I don't believe "veganism" makes sense. Avoiding all animal products regardless of logic does not make sense to me personally. Honey producers actually have very very low loss of bees and aren't the ones with problems with colony collapse that you hear about, those problems are more with bees that are transported around the country to pollinate local crops and are stressed, weakening their immune system, and exposed to various pesticides and local parasites, etc.
Bees naturally produce honey in excess and honey producers leave plenty of honey for the bees to consume to make it through the winter. Chickens naturally produce eggs even without a rooster around and if those chickens are given a good life and treated humanely (backyard chickens, real farm settings, etc.) then I don't see what the problem would be with consuming their eggs.
TL;DR I don't think the position of absolute veganism makes sense.
If you are a meat eater your mother is a whore.
>>708489180
>Humans are a virus
Your hyperbolic cynicism is quite sophomoric. Please think more deeply.
>>708489167
>>708489229
Nice!
>>708489398
To add more to this, beekeepers actually help rebuild bee populations and assure health of local populations. They discourage spraying of chemicals and monitor the health of their hives. To me it makes sense to support these people who are actually helping bees, not boycott their products due to some feeling of superiority.
>>708474676
No. It is moronic upon inspection.
>>708474676
Yes, it has enormous health benefits, its morally and ethically correct as a standpoint, and there are some pretty good dishes you can make that are totally vegan
If meat wasnt so convinent, tofu didnt taste like shit, and if i had anything close to a moral compass, id go vegan for sure
>>708474676
No. It's the "cuck" of the world of gastronomy.
>>708474676
Yes
They just shouldn't be such faggots about it
>>708489430
(Not the dude you're responding to)
Humans are parasitic in nature, it isn't cynical to see this way.. - but that doesn't mean our defined purpose is to be parasitic... Sometimes we need some help, before we can help others.
Advanced alien races live in symbiosis.. They are individual minded, but are much more AWARE of their anthropomorphic circumstances & the symbiotic entropy of our universe..
>>708489390
you should also state that we are now advanced enoough for you to live your odd lifestyle almost without issues, whereas 50 years ago you would likely suffer from lack of protein or malnourishment.
This ham and cheese toasty is delicious
>>708474859
>we evolved to eat meat and veggies
Untrue, we are technically herbivores
>>708489639
Maybe 50 years ago from the lack of information... It's only ODD in the sense that it is not the NORM - normal doesn't always mean it's the most efficient choice..
>>708474676
It's not. We're meant to be omnivorous, like some other species of monkeys.
>>708489634
>Humans are parasitic in nature
Grow up and stop projecting.
>>708489754
We can't do anything BUT project my friend..
Humans depend on a host, do you even ecology?
>>708474676
Intellectually no, ethically maybe. Practically also no.
Most vegans don't distinguish eating meat from animal suffering whereas in fact they are completely separate.
If you object to animal cruelty, that's great. Here's some questions:
+ Where's the animal cruelty in scavenging for meat?
+ Where's the animal cruelty in eating laboratory meat? (It's an upcoming technology)
+ Where's the animal cruelty in a hypothetical creature that has a great desire to and derives great pleasure from getting injured and/or killed? (Lets say it can be genetically engineered to be that way).
>>708489691
Technically is this b8? We eat meat and vegtables, omnivores the master dietary lifestyle.
>>708489430
Humans are ruining the world, massacring everything in existence. You think you're special? That you are the pinnacle of creation? Fuck you and your fascist anthropocentric ideology. You are trying to find some sophisticated excuses why you shits "worth" something when in fact you are a virus.
The only thing good about humans is that they are driving themselves out of existence.
>>708489634
I dont think you know what being a parasite is
>>708489754
Also, nice strawman ;). What a substantial convo!
>>708489854
>parasite
Just to make you feel better, I did a google search rather than explaining it - it's a "reliable source"
"an organism that lives in or on another organism (its host) and benefits by deriving nutrients at the host's expense"
>>708474676
NO if everyone was vegan and all farm land consisted of vast monocultures - where is the space for animals to exist there?
farming vegetables and fruit is equally cruel as wildlife must die to make space for it, what do you think happens to the insects that try to eat the fruit? think they have a great time chowing down on pesticides? ever tried to farm fruit without that?
in order for humans to exist and eat we need to eliminate other animals or out compete them, in which case they will perish in a much crueler way, and they will be unable to pass their genes on which is their primary function
for example, the chicken is the most successful bird that has ever existed, purely because humans love to eat it
>>708489691
>we are technically herbivores
Except that's wrong you retard.
>>708489551
do elaborate
>>708474676
There are several ramifications of it and I don't think neither is valid, at the end of the day it's just a posture as a result of ignorance.
It's just like any form of religion or ideology. I support a person's right to eat/practice/do wHat they want with their time or body.
The only issue i have is when some self righteous cunt attempts to judge me or attempts to change my mind on something that i have no interest in changing.
Eat whatever the hell you want but don't be a faggot about it.
ITT: Strawmen
>>708489785
>We can't do anything BUT project my friend
Speak for yourself you fucking mongoloid.
From what junior college are you flunking out?
>>708490023
It's one thing to respect other's choices..
It's another to be a pacifist bitch and not stand up for what's right just because you're afraid of conflict and don't have enough reasoning power to do anything about it.
>>708489961
Omnivores retain carnivore features, we dont.
Our dentition is herbivore, our need for Vitamin C is a characteristic of herbivores, we cant detox vitamin A like carnivores, we can get get Atherosclerosis, which only herbivores get, our stomach acid and volume is characteristic of herbivores aswell
Get some education faggot
>>708490114
Are there absolutes?
>>708489920
And what organism do we live in or on? A parasite doesnt want its host dead, we kill everything
''hurr durr planet earth'' its not an organism, thats why not all heterotrophic animals are parasites
>>708490114
Also, nice strawman..
This is boring... peace
just watch this,
but probably you'll not have the balls to watch it all and see what are the consequences of your actions like 99% of non vegans do,covering your eyes is so much easyer.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opj0_3L1l88
>>708489261
so growing vegetables and fruit is better for the environment?
tell that to all the dead animals that had to die to make room for your lettuce and cabbage monocultures
>>708489832
we're suppose to be opportunistic meat eaters. We also have a history of being coprophagic but you don't do that. We've removed ourselves from nature. Eat meats fruits and vegetables from continents we were never suppose to get to. There's practically nothing natural about us. Looking to nature for an ideal way to live a fallacy. We're better than nature the solutions we can make can exceed nature.
Maybe
>>708490155
So are you telling me i should take a stand against veganism, freedom of speech and freedom of religion because they're morally reprehensible and wrong? You autist?
>>708490261
Earth's BIOSPHERE is an organism.. Not the Earth it's self... Lmfao wow.
>>708476959
/thread
>>708489975
Ain't that hard to figure out nigga.
Inspect this. And stop walking around blind without a cane.
>>708490340
No? Why are you putting words in my mouth?
I was speaking in general, not towards that specifically.. No need to be so hostile, & take it personally.
Obviously. If you study the effects on meat its impossible for an intellectual to keep eating meat
>>708489832
We eat meat beacuse in prehistoric times it was a very nutrient dense food, and we just kinda kept with it.
The whole world right now could switch to a plant based diet and nothing wrong would happen, in fact, we might even live longer and healthier
>>708474676
Only reason to be vegan is because of health issues like allergies etc. Otherwise it's just a way to seek attention that could reflect badly on your health.
>>708474676
nigger im hungry stick your pseudo intellectual meat is murder narritive up your ass cows and chickens would be murdering the fuck out of us if they got the chance.
>>708490422
>the whole world
tell that to the subsidence farmers of africa and the tribes who drink their cow's blood to survive
>>708490202
>>708490205
>>708490262
Hit a little too close to home, eh?
Go to bed. You seem profoundly confused.
>>708490415
If you re-read what you wrote it's pretty clear that's whT you were implying.
Regardless, you're a faggot.
>>708490380
Yes, flavour is a good thing, but just to let you know, for example, the best burger of the year 2015 was a vegan burger
Im not even vegan or vegetarian, im just saying it makes perfect sense from a health, moral, ethical standpoint. I eat meat because its cheap and requires little cooking
>>708490525
Not really, im a meat eater like you.
All im saying is, we present all the characteristics for a herbivore, and we can/could switch to a solely plant based diet and not see any harm from it at all
>>708490470
That's an ignorant assumption...
Half the vegetarians I've met don't even talk about it.. The only reason it came up is because we were out eating and they were offered meat.
It's funny that people think this way, memes sure do effect a persons worldview.. Know the difference between self-righteous New Age pacifist wannabe hippies that are seeking attention & self-gratification... & those who use their brains.
>>708490286
Did your sarcasm detector go AWOL?
>>708474676
Honestly yes but unfortunately the people attached to it are unbearable. The most preachy little worms that have nothing to their personality so they attach themselves to these "causes" and ram it down everyone's throats.
>>708490525
I 'seem' that way... ;) We are not what we seem.
>>708490521
Again, if you only have acess to rice or beans, just like if you had to eat steak every day, youd die because the diet isnt varied enough for the range of nutrients we need, they need meat and animal products to survive, because they do not have the same acess to food me and you have.
>>708490594
And why should I? I like steak and hamburgers.
Stop being a cuck retard.
veganism in it's core is just about the feeling of superiority above meat eaters.
Intellectually veganism is only possible because others are not vegans.
as an example: vegans oppose beekeeping. without beekeeping it would not be possible to grow the food they consume.
>>708490286
i really really hope youre baiting
veganism isn't practiced by most vegans
veganism is all or nothing
unless you're growing your own food, it's probably being fertilized by animal shit and there's a lot of help pollinating it with apiaries
animals are exploited for agriculture, even if they're not abused
this goes against veganism, so there pretty much aren't actual vegans
it's a stupid fad
>>708479038
Not true, before we invented projectile weapons we used endurance hunting. We chased them till they collapsed of exhaustion. We couldn't actually keep up with them of course but we tracked them down repeatedly till the simply stopped trying to resist us.
>>708490723
>why should i?
It offers imense health benefits, from physical to psychological, and cognitive, it is better for the enviroment, and its morally and ethically correct.
>>708490738
>That's an ignorant assumption...
>Half the vegetarians I've met don't even talk about it.. The only reason it came up is because we were out eating and they were offered meat.
>It's funny that people think this way, memes sure do effect a persons worldview.. Know the difference between self-righteous New Age pacifist wannabe hippies that are seeking attention & self-gratification... & those who use their brains.
Also many vegans do NOT oppose beekeeping.. Only it's negative connotations, such as the chemicals used, and how much the keepers leave for the bees etc..
>>708490738
This has to be bait
>>708490775
> fertilized vegetables are an animal product
what in fuck?
>>708490838
you get more health benefits from eating fish than from abstaining from eating fish
this is well documented
>>708490908
??
You get more benefits from eating apples than abstaining from such.. Doesn't mean I have to eat them or that it's the most efficient option.
The variables move beyond the health benefits
>>708490679
>We are not what we seem.
Then type a cogent thought. People like eating meat. And some people like giant ass surgary sodas.
I realize there are groups of morons who would like to control what I'm allowed to eat. Perhaps you'll excuse me when I say they can suck my giant wang.
If they created fake meat that tasted the exact same with the same macros I would eat it instead. I love cows and I hate to see how they are treated, its horrifying. What makes us better than them? the fact we can browse facebook and 4chan? they are more pure a living being than us and we just eat them.
>>708491002
fish offers
>It offers imense health benefits, from physical to psychological, and cognitive
much more so than not eating fish
see mediterranean people
>>708490824
What about that's not true? They can see, hear and smell better than us. They can run way way faster than us. If we were not intelligent already we could not track the game the distances require. Jogging 6 miles an hour after something until it dies is not necessarily going to work everywhere or for everyone or be successful a reasonable portion of the time. I'm not arguing that we didn't or cant just we can't reasonably do that today. Because of property laws and it being extremely dangerous to chase animals into roads and shit.
>>708491017
Finally, a post that isn't strawman.. thank you.
So what are we disagreeing on? The fact that people do what they want? Freewill is the law of course & I respect that- but we are speaking on what it is the overall BETTER choice.. for the sake of people who might WANT to change.
>>708490838
>It offers imense (sic - really?) benefits, from physical to psychological, and cognitive
>morally and ethically correct
You'll excuse me if I forego the moral and ethical wisdom for 4chan anons.
Are you really this stupid?
>>708491155
I personally think if you HUNT for your food, you have earned what you're eating..
I don't eat fish, because I go back to the morality of not eating a living thing.. but I don't give a fuck if other people do that - it's more about how you're effecting our climate to me.
People can smoke all the crack they want, but when it effects others in a way that those people can't help *which it does instantaneously* that's when I consider it my problem.
>>708490594
We could literally feed any carnivore vegetarian meat imitation with no harm at all, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should.
Humane slaughter is an oxymoron.
>>708491497
Sometimes war IS necessary.
>>708491592
http://www.webmd.com/oral-health/picture-of-the-teeth#1
>>708491497
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>>708491232
Wow, PETA fag shill have found their way to /b.
Truly depressing.
>>708491592
Shitty logic...
We didn't use airplanes at once, were you one of those guys.. "OY DO U THINK US HUMANS ARE MEANT TO FLY? U FUCKIN WEIRDOZ"
>>708491091
>I love cows
You have obviously never been around cows.
>>708491632
> triggered
>>708491632
sup martyr faggot. What's it like being so edgey?
... & PETA is bullshit.
>>708491592
>I'm lucky I can make this stupid argument to cover the fact that I know eating meat is false and unnecessary and to calm my bad conscience
exposed buddy, only insecure faggots bring up these arguments.
>>708491557
Breeding innocents to die isn't war.
>>708491632
sorry to crash your cesspit of faggotry, not that /b/ was ever anything other than a melting pot of anonymity.
/b/ is an non-perfect replica of the planet.
>>708491592
Hey meat eaters
Explain Neu5Gc
>>708491757
agreed, I was speaking outside.
>>708474676
feeding pigs cows chickens etc. takes away more food than it produces
thats a fair argument imo if we want to end world hunger
however if you are vegan cause youre a fucking hipster or tell others to become vegan just fucking kill yourself
>>708491700
>>708491698
sure thing buddy
>>708491927
Logical statement.
>>708491658
Did one kick you while you had your arm up her ass?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLfmjU_Lt7g
>>708474676
No because eggs.
>>708474676
No. It's absolutely impossible to survive for long without B12, which cannot be produced in any fashion except as a meat product. There's no such thing as a healthy vegetarian. Either they're sick and dying, or they're dead, or they're an omnivore. There is no other option.
>>708491937
lol, you're transparent as fuck dude.
Your ass is showin'
>>708475973
>so animal welfare doesn't really apply to them
Neither should morality or logic.
>>708491983
>>708491927
>>708491865
>>708491849
>>708491821
>>708491700
>>708491698
>>708491232
Lost on your way to the internet, eh?
>>708491484
>but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could they didn't stop to think if they should.
>>708491983
correct, one reason why veganism isn't the best option for our planet at this point..
Vegetarianism is more ideal.
>>708491967
If you really love cows then you would have no problem shoving your arm up its ass.
>>708491849
Some faggot's id back when we still had those
>>708492118
> being this triggered
> on /b/
>>708492097
Poor veggie it's ok. You can keep deluding yourself all you like.
>>708492118
i posted 2 of those, who cares?
You're the kid on the bench who makes fun of the people that play baseball... your lack of confidence disables you.
>>708491978
well thats settled then
>>708474676
Veggie is, vegan not so much.
>>708492118
look guys i can generalize stuff real good
>>708478706
I knew a vegan for 17 years without knowing. She died a few months ago. A real vegan never says a word about their diet unless it's relevant or asked.
>>708490908
Source?
All the nutrients and oils you get from fish are available in plants
>>708492251
>>708492190
>>708492140
right on brotha
>>708492238
it didn't work the first time and won't work now.
>>708492363
True, just like any person who tries to make a difference.... If they are legitimately this humble, they aren't looking for any light.
Was her death related to her diet?
>>708491302
I dont give a fuck where you put your moral wisdom, i could give a fuck if you have one. Not supporting the death of millions of animals is superior to supporting it, youre an idiot if you say otherwise.
It does have benefits, if you are smart enough to do a google search, youl learn all about it
>>708492140
Better agricultural practices would be sufficient. Our current farming strategies are unsustainable in every sense of the word, but they weren't always like that.
>>708491484
Carnivore vegetarian? what?
Ofcourse there is harm, meat eating in humans causes heart disease and join problems
>>708492377
Not b12, I get mine from cheese & vitamins.
Veganism is flawed because of this issue.
>>708492405
Hey buddy, fancy a beer?
>>708492473
They haven't been this bloated, but they weren't ever truly that great..
Great point though.
>>708492416
Facts are facts whether you like them or not little one. Your bait fails.
>>708492377
>>708492301
>>708492251
>>708492190
What kinda faggot does not like a tasty burger every now and then?
>derp
No. Why? Because agriculture is more destructive to wilderness and habitat than allowing cows to graze a tended field.
Sure, the meatpacking industry for the most part doesn't do this, but I would respect someone who supports farms who raise meat responsibly (even if it meant reducing their meat consumption to once a month or less due to cost/need) a thousand times more than some bleeding heart fucking 19 year old who does it for the sake of sentience while helping turn the environment into a stinking pile of shit.
>>708492605
What kinda faggot does not like a over-the-top orgasmic heroin experience every now & then?
>derp
Gratification isn't always worth it.. Impulse control determines your success in life.
>>708492461
Thank you for your aged wisdom, PETA Social Outreach Department.
>>708474676
Yes.
>>708492605
I eat meat.
I just support veganism as a choice
>>708492714
ya fuck those guys
>>708492509
Indeed but taking a supplement is hardly an issue
>>708490202
We have eyes in front instead of on the side, like predators do
We're the worlds most efficient runners, why would we need that for picking berries
aight
i'm heading out... thanks for the somewhat legible convo.
debate not to be right, but to progress..
>>708474676
No intelligent species would destroy it's planet to eat hamburgers.
>>708492870
>I eat meat.
>I just support veganism as a choice
Powerful statements.
I'm just gonna leave this here
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHfVajDbyJk
>>708474676
>>708492970
Agreed, I said that for the sake that others may see it as a giant leap..
Cause you know, brushing your teeth, taking your vitamins, & washing your ass are EXTREMELY challenging.
I eat meat because it tastes good.
Cold, warm, doesn't matter.
Noting beats the flavor of meat added to certain recipes
even a toast with real butter and ham is divine
>>708493131
Yeah, no one is gonna bother with your droppings.
I always wanted to meet one and ask if they eat shellfish, or at least be open to it. While these are technically animals, they have all the brain function of a head of lettuce and are in no way self-aware.
plus they're a great source of nutrients
>>708493236
Your stimulus > the planet
man people are self-centered.. only goes to show how special they THINK they are..
You're a spec of dust on one level, you are the universal force on another.
Get over your temporary existence and work towards something that lasts. You're just a worker, fetching for the queen..
Whatever she decides.
>>708490202
we are omnivores and we have always been. eating meat helped us evolve the way we did. by eating that high-energy-food we had time to do other stuff than just eating all day long, thus we evolved into what we are today.
>>708493285
No I've never ate those, even when I did eat meat.
I wouldn't eat those because I don't like seafood - but I can see your point otherwise.
>>708474676
Yes
>>708493591
yes, but MEAT does not GIVE us as much as OTHER foods CAN.
read the thread.
>>708492988
>Lots of primates that eat exclusively plants or food have front facing eyes
>Implying running has only the goal of hunting, and nothing to do with years as a nomadic species, traveling for days on end, where the weak and incapable died and the ones that could keep up survived
Global warming/climate change, is natures way of telling us we're doing it wrong. We're only destroying our own habitat by massacring animals for our own benefit and for money, to keep fat rich people happy. We keep doing it, we're dead meat
>>708493776
exactly, people here suck at ecology..
Primates have binocular vision for better depth perception... as they are arboreal.
>>708493591
And now we have reached the point where we have extreme abundance of food, there is no more need for millions of animals suffering, for cholesterol related diseases and massive % of heart problems caused by consumption of meat.
We do not have any necessity for nutrient dense foods like we did back then, we can live off the plants, be healthier and make the world better for them kids
>>708493913
And if the oceans don't rise up to get us, heart disease probably will
>>708493971
Humans evolved from a common ancestor, so we kept said binocular vision, it offers no disadvantage despite humans not being arboreal
>>708494070
Yep.. well we don't know the disadvantages we might have relevant to what's to come, but it'll be interesting what our current circumstance produces in our anatomy.
>>708494253
From my point of view, large scale evolution of humanity is stopped.
We no longer are affected by selection, everyone has the oportunity to breed, hence we will have a big variety of people with different characteristics due to genetic mix but no longer will we be seeing an evolutionary tendency, just a large variety
This is atleast how i view evolution of humanity in the current circumstances
>>708494378
Nothing is static, things are either growing or falling..
So if you feel there has become a stagnancy in our anatomical evolution, there could be a possible degradation.
I see it otherwise, we have become deeply embedded in our own systems... Which over time will allow us to guide our evolution more accurately as we learn from the cycles of cause & effect.
>>708493285
I might eat those as I would eat insects
>>708494539
Nothing is static, which is the foundation of all..
the void..So the void is static*
everything else, going through the bottomless different levels that we can perceive thus far.. has different degrees of solidity.
>>708481348
>sex is necessary for the survival of the species it's instinctual.
the desire to fuck a well developed body is intinctual... but age requirements can make it illegal in many cases. So almost all of us are capable of rising above our basic instincts....
your arguement is null
>>708482156
"The highest possible stage in moral culture is when we recognize that we ought to control our thoughts". Charles Darwin
AKA: You're a degenerate
>>708491658
i like the way they look
I dont want to physically play with one
>>708494758
>So almost all of us are capable of rising above our basic instincts....
that's exactly what I was saying.
>>708483850
veggies and fruits don't run away.
We pretty much evolved to eat them and to eat meat when we could.
Basically your body doesn't want you to starve.... ever. Literally, those who were fatter survived famines and so everyone inherited a desire to eat high calorie food.
Its only a real issue when it's easy to obtain high calorie food.
>>708495181
you forgot the part about jailbait
the way I said it is better
>>708474676
both, yes and no, we as humans are omnivores so whats around us will keep us alive, yes in the fact that we dont need meat, no in the sense that we need to study to find out how to replace the meat
>>708495185
I've met a lot of "adults" that live on tendies. Basically the "everything I eat is shades of brown" diet. There's a lot more in play here than evolution. There's parenting, there's convenience, there's even flavor chemists now that try to make their products tastes better than their competitors. Our psychology is almost incomparable to our ancestors and has a much more pronounced influence over our lives than say evolutionary drives.
No because these retards still use products from animals in other forms and support people who use animal products directly by paying for their services in society. A true vegan lives in the woods away from everyone living off of plants and shit. A hard life, too hard for these week pussies.
We are omnivores.
Love eating meat, steak is my most favorite food.
>>708486415
>im not a vegan
Sure you're not, but your are still a stupid asshole anyway
>look at my shitty eplanation
And how do you think language came to be? You dont think you require a certain amount of intelligence to have language, but i guess such thoughts are to hard for someone as retarded as yourself.
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/04/120420105539.htm
>>708495598
Evolution is bottom up & top down
>>708474676
This thread is so retarded.
From a philosophical moral standpoint, hurting animals for food is not an immoral virtue because we have evolved to do so.
It can also be argued that animal rights violations occur within mass farms, which would be considered immoral, however ethical handling of livestock can be achieved.
In regards to the environmental impact stemming from mass-farming of livestock, the entire system is unethical. Livestock contribute to over 40% of earth's greenhouse gasses and requires millions of acres of rainforest to be destroyed in order to produce feed. This process not only plays a huge influence on global warming, it also kills native animals in these forests.
Veganism is an intellectually respectable position if the person critically analyses the position and decides based on factual information. Vegans who jump on the train because it's cool, or because they don't want to hurt cows are not intellectually respectable, but they are still benefiting society and the environment.
Personally, i have the privilege of having access to sustainable local produce and therefore this isn't an issue for me.
>>708489390
>look at my lies
>>708481000
trips have spoken, also I'd also eat a child any day of the week. cheers!
>>708489634
>advanced alien races
This is what vegans believe
>>708478437
>>708474829
hunting isn't about fairness, its about providing a meal for you and your family
>>708496106
learn to abstract metaphor
>>708496106
>>708496182
nor am I a vegan
>>708490202
Have you ever noticed how your front theeth are... you know sharp? When they come toheter they make a very good cutting tool, a tool for eating meat and cutting sinew.
But i guess you only care about the one's in the back of your jaw? Like the cherrypicking faggot vegan you are.
>>708490541
>knows shit
http://time.com/4252373/meat-eating-veganism-evolution/
>>708496236
>Have you ever noticed how your front theeth are... you know sharp? When they come toheter they make a very good cutting tool, a tool for eating meat and cutting sinew.
People who argue about genetics and teeth are so autistic. Read anons post :
>>708496031
Humans used to eat meat, global population growth has changed the viability of this. We simply have too many people now.
We would be in a much worse state if Indians ate beef, believe me.
>>708490626
>use brain
>thinks veganism is beneficial
>>708496031
Agreed, with everything other than..
>hurting animals for food is not an immoral virture because we have evolved to do so.
what the fuck? so because we've EVOLVED (through cause & effect) by doing something.. that means it's not immoral? That sounds retarded, think about this on a smaller scale -
I do something, and because I did it genetically I am not immoral for doing such.. Even if I did something towards someone because I felt upset & that seeing someone else experiencing the same thing as me makes me feel less alone - thus more exceptable (to sheep)..
Your logic there doesn't make sense. What you mean is, we at ONE point had to adapt to our circumstances by eating meat as we had less capability to create an alternative.. Thus & one point it was acceptable morally, for our existence to strive... but the thing people forget is, THINGS CHANGE.
>>708495932
well at least you're reading now. PROGRESS. Now if you actually developed some information literacy skills that would be great. Should probably still kill yourself. Language largely came out being a social species. When we were homo habilis a weird thing happened. Our pelvises got smaller and our children did too. As a result they gained a longer maturation period and depended on their parents longer. Significantly increasing the developmental period and the effects social interaction had on them. Fucking evolution.
>>708496236
Once again, as I've stated MULTIPLE times in this thread..
---JUST BECAUSE WE EVOLVED A CERTAIN WAY, DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT IS THE MOST EFFICIENT OPTION..-----
How stagnant & retarded ARE you fucks?
>>708496031
>ethical handling of livestock can be achieved
not really. poor people consume the most meat and they brain is so clogged with animal fats that they only choose the cheapest soy-fed, roided meat-garbage they can find.
>>708474676
It's extremism and extremism on any level isn't intellectually respectable.
>>708496389
nice strawman, and I don't agree with veganism totally.
So presumptuous....
>>708496372
Agreed.
Finally, someone who can think critically.
>>708474676
To me it sorta feels like eating meat is a standard and everyone does it simply because everyone has always done it.
So to make sure I did the right choice for me, I turned the question around, why would I start eating meat if i didn't allready? It felt like if you're either vegitarian or meat-eater then it would make more sense to change your habits if you were a meat-eater.
But i just lowered my meat consumtion by like 95% still eat at the christmas table, new years oxen fillet, when it's the only thing served and so on. Not much for principles, 95% is close enough to 100 without limiting myself.
>>708496458
It is the most efficient option though. Multiple studies confirm that an all vegan diet is less healthy than a plant heavy diet supplemented with meat. Stop denying facts.
>>708496583
Interesting perspective, great addition to the convo.
Beware though, not eating meat for awhile & then eating it again can be a shock to the system.
>>708496649
Lol what world are you living in? Links please, and not from some failed dude not eating his B12, cuz that's the most basic shit
>>708496406
That's true, questioning the morality of eating meat now that it's unnecessary to survival is an idea.
Ultimately, it depends on what school of moral philosophy you think is best. Consumption in cases where not necessary, are necessary to uphold cultural traditions, which can be argued to be a moral virtue.
The trade-off between the pleasure gained from eating meat and the pain an animal suffers from can also be considered in different lights. Epicurean ethics suggests that only self-aware creatures can comprehend moral virtue, could that cow comprehend the immorality of its death?
>>708496478
>>ethical handling of livestock can be achieved
it can be achieved, maybe not on the scale of current global populations
>>708496676
Yea felt that from time to time but it's only like 1-2 months inbetween and not in huge amounts. Dad still eats meat for instance.
>>708496182
> make a shitty metaphor based upon shitty assumptions
>>708496205
You sure sound like a whiny holier than thou vegan i must say.
>>708496649
>Stop denying facts
what the fuck? how narrow headed are you.
>facts
science isn't absolute moron.. ALSO if you did the study yourself rather than clicking on facebook posts you'd know that you get exactly what you need from a smaller quantity of other foods than meat. Meat doesn't give you everything you need.
Veganism isn't too healthy unless you know what you're doing.
I'm a happy meat eater.
We are supposed to eat meat for protein, fuck beans and nuts.
I dont mind that an animal dies or feels pain for me. It tastes nice. If someone told me that a cow being killed is the same pain as a human would get from being skinned alive over 4 days, I wouldn't give a rats arse. It tastes nice.
If god didn't want us to eat animals, he shouldn't have made them out of food.
>>708496031
>thinking that plant-based farms are sustainable and has no negative impact whatsoever
How does it feel to be a fucking retard?
>>708496649
>less healthy
this implies that meat has something that plants don't have. which is not true. having is diet supplemented with meat is certainly the easier option if you don't want to think about your nutritution as much, but I doubt it's better.
>>708496919
Dude literally says "vegan diet is less healthy than a plant heavy diet supplemented with meat" and your response ends with "meat doesn't give you everything you need."
Are you retarded?
>>708496372
oh i see you're just a moral crusader with a bad understanding of evolution.
Perhaps you have studied some sociology anon?
>if indians
If they started eating beef in huge quantities the price would go up, in silly amounts. And no indian could afford it.
>>708496951
>Why is veganism not an intellectually respectable position?
>coz meat tastes gud
How does it feel to be a narrowminded dumbass?
>>708496968
I think he means per farmer.
Imagine if a farmer that kept cattle suddenly switched to plant based farming. Do you not see how it takes a hell of a lot more land to farm plants than meat?
For virtually every meat farmer, this would be a problem. Then we have the problem of supply, I'm not sure how much more land would be needed for plant based farming to supply the world of food, but I would guess that there are many countries (the uk for sure) where this would be a massive problem.
>>708496516
>so vegan
>so morally superior
>so stick up own ass
>>708497171
I eat what I want, how is that narrow minded?
Being a vegan is the definition of narrow minded you glorious fuck up of irony.
>>708496973
>this implies that meat has something that plants don't have. which is not true.
Now who is the ignorant liar around here?
>>708496951
>god
stopped reading there
>>708497190
you realize that animals raised for meat are typically fed grains and grasses that are grown on other farmland? And the larger the animal the typically less "fuel efficient" it is do to the nature of gravity and mass.
>>708497353
Twas a joke fs.
>>708496739
Great post - I believe morality to be subjective based on priority. What is your priority? Are you able to adapt them to different circumstances & different areas of thought? & are you able to correlate those different levels?
Our survival is important, and as you've proposed it's unecessary to eat meat at this point.. I would say our survival relies on the state of the biosphere as much as it does how we interact with the biosphere, & at this point we are extremely inflated with unnecessary over-population & consumption of resource..
In such, this will decay the networks in our ecological foundation.. Tipping the scale, and eventually leading to the extinction of existence..
Which on an essential level for the universe's survival, does not matter... There is a fine line between the survival of what's beyond us, and the survival of us.. but there are 2 sides, ASWELL a grey zone..
>>708474676
They are pretentious dicks
I like the idea to fight the industry by not eating animal products, but you don't have to be a dick about it
if someone offers you a meat burger EAT IT!!
you're not allergic, you don't have a disease..
some idiots actually cry when you tell them it was meat...
>>708497190
I do not get how this even relates to my post.
>>708474676
Anyone's position is intellectual respectable if it is well-thought out and allows for discourse.
>>708496881
>shitty metaphor
or you didn't understand what the fuck I was saying?
A more advanced us, *would ideally* work in a more synchronized efficient format.. Just as any other technology, you fuck.
Because it leads to brain damage and degeneracy of the genes.
http://ajcn.nutrition.org/content/89/5/1627S.full
>>708497087
I understand evolution, i just reject the notion that it plays a role in the moral evaluation of mean consumption.
Yes, i've studied sociology, perhaps you should study some economics?
You literally just implied that a rise in demand from millions people would result in a rise in price.
You could literally take an econ101 course and sit through the first lecture to understand just how retarded that sounds.
>>708497280
>no I'm not you are!
also, challenging conventional thinking in aims of bettering society is the opposite of narrow minded.
>>708497490
That's just a pretentious assumption you disgusting excuse for a human being.
>>708497287
go ahead, I'm completely open, I can't name one thing.
>>708497399
They are fed simple grains, easily mass produced.
Humans have much more complex demands.
Mass producing grains are fine, but do you want to only eat grains 3 times a day?
Think about the bigger picture ffs, stop wasting my time. Tree grown fruits for example are more on land than wheat.
>>708497512
>disregards evolution
>studied sociology
I rest my case.
>>708497280
You are narrowminded because this thread is discussing the viability of a plant-based diet yet your reason for it not being viable coz meat tastes gud.
>vegan is the definition of irony
How does it feel being narrowminded dumbass whose only source of information are the minority of retards that are shown on the tv/internet?
>>708497634
I give you a hint. its called long strings of protein.
>>708497413
That plant farms are sustainable if they were the only source of food.
>>708497287
You are.
It seems abundantly clear by now that a lack of meat proteins in your diet turns you into a knuckledragging low IQ loudmouth with a deluded feeling of self importance over anyone who likes to nom on cows etc.
Pic related: Juicy, yummy cow parts.
>>708496583
when you stop eating meat having a corpse in your mouth feels really weird
>>708497645
You really should, you're really good at spewing fallacy after fallacy. It's kind of annoying to be charitable to your posts.
>>708497680
>Narrowminded
Is not one word, Dumbass.
>>708497645
your case is utterly retarded, you haven't argued anything, you could rest it there, but you just look like an idiot.
I'm not disregarding evolution for the final time. It's just irrelevant in modern discussion of eating habits because the first time in our evolution, we have infinite access to all potential sources of food.
>>708497086
Was I necessarily disagreeing with him?
I was hopping somewhere else, & didn't bother to explain why I agreed with him.. then cut to the chase by stating that meat doesn't give you what OTHER foods can.
You only assumed that I disagreed with them, the same way that he assumed I agreed with veganism..
Read the whole fwd, retard.
>>708497701
Ever heard of soil degration?
>>708497777
Waste of quads, no need to pick on his typo. Just stick to the content.
>>708497861
He did it multiple times and was calling me a Dumbass.
>>708497696
no idea what you mean. to my knowledge plant and animal protein is the same, just the composition of animal protein is better for humans, because animals are closer to our protein needs than plants.
>>708497696
so what is it?
>>708497405
>they
i'll stop you there.
Associating eating habbits with an identity is your first problem. You see something strange and immediately characterise it to a certain group of people and make a judgement on them immediately without any thought.
You literally have the mental capacity of a child. No i'm not vegan, you are just retarded.
>>708497838
Yes, which is why farmers use crop rotation and leave land bare.
>>708497777
Grats on correcting my grammar. You've proved your superiority. Retard.
>>708497907
I know, but there's no need to mud-sling, you were already winning without having to lower yourself to his level.
>>708497717
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLfmjU_Lt7g
posted earlier
>>708497967
>You've proved your superiority
IKR
>>708497966
That isnt enough the soil if everyone converts to plant farms.
>>708497640
I hope youre joking. Getting rid of cows would mean an insane overabundance of food
>>708497995
Haha le xD
>>708497941
Agreed, but remember that identity is top down, eating habits is bottom up..
Identity can form our eating habits, & eating habits CAN alter our identity... but identity is much more vast than eating habit.
>>708497503
learn to spot industry funded "research"
>>708474676
Yes
>>708474859
>we evolved to eat meat and veggies.
[Citation needed]
>nature over nurture
Appeal to nature logical fallacy.
>best we can do is be as humane as possible when raising and slaughtering the animal for meat.
Can I humanely taze you on the head with a metal rod and then hang you upside down so that your blood will drain from where I slit your throat? Or will I become a headline for having commited an "inhumane crime"?
>>708474900
>not eating meat reduces brain function that makes using rational debate and scientific argument impossible
[Citation needed]
>>708476641
>Veganism to "save the animals and stop animal cruelty" is stupid.
True. The two main reasons are health (no doctor ever told their patient to eat more bacon and cut down on lentil stew) and sustainability (animal agriculture has to be fed 100x the food it yields). Not to mention GHG emissions.
>The reason cows and chickens are locked up in pens and humans are free is because we are smarter.
We should be smart enough to know eating animal products is unnecessary.
>Anyone that claims to be a vegan but wears name brand clothing that was probably made by a fucking 12 year old kid in some SEA country working a slave wage is a retard.
Appeal to futility logical fallacy, plus not all vegans are hypocrites.
>>708476959
There are vegan alternatives for most of those. Also, appeal to futility logical fallacy.
>>708477631
>If you accept that that position is valid, then you musy accept that all dietary fads are valid.
>veganism = fad
What?
>>708479124
>Otherwise, no and they have a psychological issue/eating disorder.
What?
>>708480710
>>Does a priest that's celibate have a mental illness?
>No, you don't need sex to survive. You don't need religion either, those are self imposed rules that have nothing to do with being a vegan. Stay on topic.
You don't NEED meat either
>>708497777
> I cant argue so ill pick on spelling
>>708498068
Of cow food.
>>708497280
troll.. or just extremely blind.
>HUR DUR
>MY PREFERENCES > PLANET
>>708498119
I won, game over.
You resorted to name calling, not factual retorts.
>>708497640
jesus christ you're thick.
Which we can meet will smaller more efficient animals. And utilize more of the existing farmland effectively. Without wasting things like fossil fuels shipping grains and grasses everywhere to sustain these animals. Staple grains are not a bad thing in the human diet either. Just switch from cows to goats and leaving everything else as is would save several million of gallons of water, unimaginable farmland and fuck tons of fossil fuels in shipping. And that's just cows
>>708498185
But you are a dumbass. That's a fact xD
>>708498185
> I won
good4u
>>708498185
IM not the same guy, but once you start picking on spelling you just autolose every argument. Age old rule
>>708498153
Yup, the planet is 5 billion years old, it will still be here in another 5 billion years.
Do you really think the planet gives a fuck about humans? We are a small phase, we have been here for the tiniest of fractions of the dinosaurs. Do you think the Planet gives a fuck about them?
I shall eat meat thanks, and live as long if not longer than I should according to nature.
If that's ok by you?
>>708498130
we can eat corn and grains fyi. we can also convert land to other vegetables
>>708498291
That's your view, probably built over time, due to your horrendous grammar.
>>708498371
>planet giving a fuck
4ut1sm0
>>708498205
also the methane
