cont best aircraft thread round 2
OP from previous thread
>best Bomber bitches
Grumman Cats!
(I wish I could find a larger version of this picture)
>>708350010
damn F-14 is a big fucking plane
Rota buggy still reigns supreme!
>>708349817
F-104 still looks badass.
>>708350104
Yeah she is. The only fighters that are about the same size are the Su-27 and its offspring.
That and the Tu-28 but that was an interceptor and definitely an exception to how those type of plane are typically designed.
Oops
>tfw you will never have glorious and sexy grey apache
>>708350104
F-18 is a tidier package.
GOD. FUCKING. DAMNIT.
>>708349817
>be spitfire pilot
>patrolling British airspace
>see dot below you
>go to intercept dot
>see it's two engine
>fug yeah this'll be an easy kill
>start diving on it
>not getting closer
>the fug
>dot breaks away unharmed
>dot bombs London
>yfw pic related
Thing couldn't be caught
>>708350536
/thread
>>708349817
Spectre is best C-130.
>>708350451
that is navy grey
all army aircraft are green, black, or brown
the navy (and its subcomponent the marine corps) has super cobras, not apaches
>>708350537
Hope Sully is flying that shit.
>>708350332
that shitty flight time / range tho
>>708350896
>>708350814
this was a rare testbed for grey color scheme on apaces. only 1 was made like this.
>>708350525
F-18 is outdated and desperately in need of being scrapped.
Nothing is tidier than this, also has the heritage of the gods at Lockheed behind it.
>>708351087
f-18 is doing just fine. it has another 15-20 yrs in it imo.
>pic not related
>>708351045
>>708351045
cobras have 3 main rotor blades
apaches have 4
>>708350904
Oh, it had plenty of problems, but 60 years later it still has competitive speed and climb rate.
>>708350904
Didn't need it, its role was as an interceptor (NOT as a bomber, you Luftwaffe Dummkopfs). It just had to takeoff, get altitude really quickly, make some passes on bombers, and then land.
>>708351281
this isn't a cobra dummy, jesus christ. my guess is that the 4th blade is obscured
>>708351236
f-18 is already 20 years old, it gets overhauled every couple of years with new tech, but its the same air frame from the 90's, if it went up against a euro fighter or current gen mig it will just cant compete
>pic related
>>708350783
Puff the magic dragon
>>708351567
but it's the workhorse of the US air force and isn't going anywhere soon. we have thousands of them in our fleet. i think it is arguable that they aren't as competitive, but they are competent at worst.
>>708351087
Super Hornet still useful, but agree that the F-35 will be a huge upgrade.
Kinda funny how the know-nothing armchair pilots completely miss the point of a real 5th gen fighter.
>>708351567
A Super Hornet would wipe the floor with any Mig. Sukhoi, perhaps not.
>>708350104
For you
>>708351550
the G mod of the Super Cobra replaced the skids with wheels
>>708351400
those early models with the downwards ejecting seats
kek
>>708351887
ok google boy. thats not the only difference.
>>708351887
wrong. this is an apache, end of discussion. additional pic
>>708351860
for a fighter
>>708352128
notice the 4 rotors
>>708351567
EF has serious logistical issues, logistics win or lose battles/wars.
>>708351713
>f18
>airforce
pick one
>>708351887
No it didn't. The AH-1 has never had a production variant with wheels.
>>708352347
fuck my bad, navy and marines
America has the best aircraft, hands down.
The F4 Phantom is my favourite along with the B2 Stealth Bomber.
How about the f-15 active?first fighter with vector thrust
>>708352204
its the same exact helicopter notice in the other picture the 4 bladed tail rotor?
>>708352447
f4 is massive in person. could probably fit 3 people in there if you really wanted
>>708351087
>>708351236
>>708351793
The commie in this vidya gets it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZbqkxjAK8E
>>708352447
>>708352469
>those next generation sci-fi engines
diamonds confirmed
>>708352527
or 1 amerifat
>>708349817
TU-95 Bear. Because hearing things is for faggots.
>>708352626
seated 2 americans you dumb meme
>>708352589
good god what is that monstrosity
>>708352589
much sex indeed
>>708351281
Wrong. Apaches have 4 main rotor blades and 4 tail rotor blades. AH-1s up through W had 2 main rotor blades and 2 tail rotor blades. The Z has 4 and 4.
>>708352753
2 americans from 30 years ago, not today's
>>708352862
>literally looks like a spaceship
>supermaneuverable
>russians btfo
>>708352855
The plane that's impossible to land.
>>708352914
memey tard alert, go home faggot
>>708352929
>>708352914
F15 seats 2 Americans also you fucking meme, check yourself
>>708352984
>>708353017
lol u madd
>>708352447
>>708352574
F4 Phantom J is my favorite as well, along with the MiG-21
>>708353017
Eagles seat 1. Strike Eagles seat 2.
>>708352914
>hahaha they're so fat
>not our military though, just the old white trash in the country
>>708353101
quit being a meme, go workout neckbeard
>>708352426
the USSR and later Russia have always been able to produce a comparable aircraft to anything the US has put into service
and they've been able to do it with less development time and cost, and each airframe require less man-hours to assemble and maintain
>>708353378
absolute god tier fractal patterns, got to hand it to the russians
>>708353324
stfu youre not even my real dad, you cant tell me what to do!!
>>708352447
the F-4 had no main cannon, its armaments were entirely missiles
that caused the to fair so poorly in Vietnam that the USAF required all future fighters to have at least one embedded machine gun
>>708352862
hnnnng
>>708353457
go workout
>>708353406
comparable yes. better? not really
>>708353437
iran's is sexy too
remember when i was a kid i had die cast toys. F4, F18 and SR71 were my favorites
>>708353581
They added an internal gun in the F-4E I think. Earlier models had to use a wobbly gun pod.
Always good to have a gun in a war I say.
A-10 thunderbrrrt
>>708353581
i find it retarded that the F35 B&C dont have internal guns
where my zeppelins at?
>>708354069
In a giant pile of ash
>>708353406
>the USSR and later Russia have always been able to produce a comparable aircraft to anything the US has put into service
Have you been asleep for the past 30 years?
the JSF is a steaming pile designed to rip off murica's allies. the raptor is the real next gen, but murica is going drone airforce instead
>>708354380
Surely they could've added a couple more rockets and gatling guns
>>708354069
>>708354430
>implying Russia and China don't have stealth fighters
>implying stealth tech provides enough of a tactical edge to make it worth pursuing
>implying the US pursued stealth tech for any other reason than to 1up Russia
>>708349817
So you mean US aircraft thread
>>708354638
fuck, wrong pic
>>708351087
Lockheed aren't gods. They throw so much money at things that anyone could get it done. /workedthere
>>708354694
>Russia and China don't have stealth fighters
they have prototypes but nothing with ioc
>>708354694
Stealth is only one aspect you retard.
5th gen is about information systems and networks, not air frames and turn radii.
lets get serious annons. lets discuss why boeing is so much better than airbus
>>708349817
When do these fly because I've seen them several times in the last two years.
>>708355441
what? they fly now?
>>708355353
>>708355224
because there plastic fantastic air frames keep cracking??
>>708355441
they fly when they are flying
>>708354898
Lockheed makes a pretty mean missile though.
>>708355530
>>708355530
they are used for chemtrails
>>708355764
I mean they definitely get the job done, but they bleed money along the way. imo NASA does a better job.
So the f22 is one of the best fighters out there with manuverabliity, turn speed, stealth and looks sexy af. Why did they cancel it!?
>>708356039
Because it essentially became the f35
>>708356039
Because it cost almost 2 billion a piece when the f-35 only costs 150 million a piece.
>>708356039
budget cuts and political bs.
>>708356039
Because drones
>>708356276
>2 billion
lol k
>>708355571
source or are you just talking out your ass trying too fit in?
Does this count?
>>708356276
youre a fucking retard.
339 mil not 2 billion
check yourself
>>708356022
I have little faith in the efficiency of any large organization for any complicated task.
But can you really say they are more wasteful than, say Microsoft buying Linkdin for $28B or what ever it was?
No doubt the military-industrial-complex is wasteful. But it sure does develop some wild-ass shit.
>>708356276
the fucking f35 cost 1.4 bnillion per unit.
congrats faggot. youre a full on retard
>>708356651
I believe it
>be me
>working at a foundry
>makes 1 part for the F-22
>cast aluminum, low tolerances, ~1/2 pound
>cost us ~$80 in labor to make 50 of them
>we charged $2000 each
>>708356728
way out the ass. carbon fiber cracking though perhaps
>>708356839
The military contracts all their R&D out to private companies... They don't develop shit on their own. Even the f-35 wasn't designed by the military.
>>708356039
Because the US wants a true 5 Gen fighter like the F-35, not a 4.5 Gen fighter like the F-22.
>>708356415
And drones are a huge part of 5 Gen.
>>708356839
Eh they've lobbied their way so far up the gov'ts ass that they are far from efficient these days. Not that the pentagon is any better but they need an outlet for their shadow money. That trillion dollars isn't simply missing.
>>708357027
>4.5
>>708357027
The f-35 and f-22 are made for complely different purposes. The f22 just costs 3-4 times as much, so they decided to go with a machine that can do most of what the f22 can do.
>>708355224
Because they didn't invest billions into a whale of an airplane that was 3 decades behind its time?
Or is it because cockpit trays are for the weak? Both have merit i guess.
>>708357245
holy fuck. go check your facts. the F35 is the most expensive aircraft to date at 1.4 billion an unit.
>>708357027
I don't know, I am by far not a good source anything related to the F-35 just like everyone else on this board.
The media makes it look like snow ball project that got too big to shut down or cut the losses.
The thing only has one jet on it... As an engineer who has seen how non aeronautical systems fail all the time, a one engine, combat jet just sounds unsafe.
F-35 from the outside looks like a poster child for government incompetence. The government does get somethings right. The Predator drones seem effective.
>>708357372
what r u talking about.
>>708357382
>The F-35A Lightning II is $52,000,000 cheaper than the F-22 Raptor.
http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/174-415/Lockheed-F-22-Raptor-vs-Lockheed-F-35A-Lightning-II
>>708356754
I watched the 2003 Columbia launch from about 15 miles away while on a business trip to Melbourne, Fl.
The fucking crackling sound was unbelievable. Sucks that it disintegrated on re-entry.
>>708357594
I missed the launch but I saw the reentry. Live in texas
>>708355571
I just googled it. In 2014, the 787 had issues with wings cracking while STILL IN PRODUCTION because of changes boeing was making to manufacturing process. In other words, the cracked wings didn't make it off the factory floor.
The 787 is a first.
>>708357382
>the F35 is the most expensive aircraft to date at 1.4 billion an unit
wut? You some kinda retard?
>>708357702
oh reguarding its carbon composite.
yeah, the 787 as a new aircraft had a ton of new features like the lithium ion battery, carbon composite wings, carbonfibre infused titaniums. all looked good on paper untill it got in the air and tested.
since then they havent had any issues with it. meanwhile airbus hasnt updated any of its exsisting fleet.
im reguarding the new 737 line
new 777 line
and 747-8 and 747-9x line
>>708357882
"The real news here is that the estimate for procuring F-35 aircraft over the life of the program is down by $7.5 billion in fiscal 2012 dollars."
Best prop plane reporting in.
>>708357882
"The F-35 program has been plagued by cost overruns and delays, has been grounded twice, and even has been criticized by those within the Pentagon. The $1.5 trillion that will be spent on this wasteful Pentagon program is an enormous sum. It is equivalent to the cost of the sequester." at the time of this artical.
>>708351793
Sorry kiddo. There are ZERO F18s in the US Air Force
>>708357441
> has one jet on it
You're looking at it wrong. One jet means half the failures, half the cost and half the complexity. Sorta. Or so the theory goes.
We're well past the point when jet engines fail routinely.
>>708358073
Oh shit, someone choosing a WWII fighter that isn't the P-51, Spitfire or anything the Germans made. Nice to see.
>>708358124
its the most expensive aircraft per unit.
>>708358161
>There are ZERO F18s in the US Air Force
That's nice son. Can you point to where I said the Air Force had F-18s?
>>708358228
Corsair and Hellcat would be my other 2 votes.
>>708358073
nah dawg
>>708358216
Yeah I laughed at that and I'm an engineer too or maybe the only actual engineer here. Redundancy is nice but complicates things.
>>708358392
Nice, US navy planes are based as fuck
>>708358423
See previous post
>>708358124
>>708358236
>>708358043
You fuckers are wildly confused.
Riddle me this: how are the costs calculated?
>>708358392
beat me too it dammit
>>708357224
Well there is a well considered retort.
Congratulations.
plebs not posting the su 35 master race. smh faggots.
>>708358073
RAF Reporting in
>>708358515
Government Accountability Office
government spending budget per project.
>>708358073
You ever play War Thunder?
>>708358797
>Not the su-47
>>708359096
Nope, much more of a strategy person.
>>708359096
Ayyy, the Assender. Good shit. Also War Thunder is alright.
>>708349817
There is only one correct answer...
>>708358893
You really have not thought about this very much, have you?
>>708354039
hells yes. brrrrrrrrrrrt
>>708354625
I think one will suffice
>>708350587
Is that the Avro or the Dornier?
>>708361557
2 is always better
>>708350587
>>708358392
I'm surprised no one mentioned this beauty
>best aircraft thread round 2
>not posting A400M
>>708358073
The only problem being ejecting pilots getting cut in half... erps...
for it's time, I'd say "the best" aircraft in my opinion would be the Horton 229
having the radar signature of a large seabird at ww2 would mean you were virtually invisible, had they managed to get proper engines for this aircraft, who knows what would have been the outcome...
>>708362673
my great grandfather designed this and many other engines
Just recently got plane autism. Are there any dcs alternatives besides Arma? Also f18c is my planefu.
>>708363264
He did a fine job
>>708363334
kek, 1 off
>>708363089
outcome would be the same
>>708349817
Old favorite. Too slow but an icon
>SR-71
>This is trainer variant, original is best.
any plane that isn't this can suck mah balls.
>>708356194
>>708356194
all this
>>708358888
>slow
>weak as fuck
>tinderbox
eh
>>708363089
It wasn't designed as stealth, it was designed that way because the Hortons (and Lippisch) were obsessed with tailless designs.
It flew twice, crashed on the second flight killing the pilot.
it was also incredibly unstable, as we know from other flying wings like the B-2 they all need to be virtually fly-by-wire to handle it.
the upside is, you put good engines on it (not shitty Jumo 004's) and you got yourself a craft that can climb faster than any prop or jet of its day.
I think the Me163 was the greatest thing to be flown out of Nazi Germany, it screams desperation, technology, balls of steel and lethality (for sender and receiver)
>>708362112
Arado 234
>Best aircraft of it's time
>>708351567
The EF malfunctions quite often and has -at least in Germany- restraints to its maneuvers
>>708365227
However, Best aircraft overall?
>>708362712
either A-10 or B-52, the B-52 first flew in 1952, and is still flown today, not only that but many B-52 are being upgraded to last until 2044, possibly giving it a 92 year lifespan. The A-10 is just plain incredible, its a plane built around a 19 foot long, 30mm, depleted uranium spitting cannon. Just like how planes like the B-17 were designed, its frick-frackin' hard to shoot down, each of its engines are mounted on explosive bolts so if one is on fire, it can be jettisoned so that the fire doesnt spread, and the plane can still fly. Also, correct me if im wrong, but i believe that the A-10's control surfaces have 2 separate redundancies. On top of that, the pilot sits in a titanium "bathtub" that is bulletproof to some very large shells. debate me biaatch
>>708352555
WOW... everyone should watch this youtube vid!
>>708366844
i think your opinion stinks
