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Describe liberals
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>>708251534
Anyone who belongs to the party that tried to sell the idea that Obama wanted to kill their grandparents should shut the fuck up
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OBAMAS GOING TO TAKE OUR GUNS
OBAMAS GOING TO OPEN UP THE BOARDERS
OBAMAS A MUSLIM
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>>708251534
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>>708252951
Oh boy
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>>708253174
has to be satire

..right?
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Liberal - An authoritarian person in America.
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>>708253015
I actually love the delusion of having your chromosomes equaly split up between my balls. Their explanations on biology are really nice and so cool to listen too, just like medival ones.
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>>708251534
id probably be described as a liberal myself, but god this is too accurate. self proclaimed liberals under 30 are such a cringe factor to left leaning independents such as myself
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>>708251534
Liberalism first began as a sort of counterculture movement against the overly conservative society. And now the exact opposite is true.
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A few example of how incredibly stupid Liberals are.
Liberals: We are against body shaming! nobody should be a victim of body shaming! it's absolutely disgusting!

In the same breath: Donald Trump has crap hair, small hands, is extremely fat and probably has a tiny dick!

Example 2

Liberals: We should not paint all Muslims with the same brush! Not all of them are terrorists! that's a broad generalisation!

In the same breath: All Donald Trump supporters are racist and sexist and Islamaphobic!


Example 3

Liberals: We respect the right to free speech. We respect that not everyone agrees with out views and we thing that is amazing! that is what makes the world beautiful!

Individual who does not agree with every topic in a debate with a Liberal, Liberals be like: YOU'RE FUCKING RACIST AND BIGOTED!!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEE


Liberals in a nutshell. Liberalism is a mental disorder.
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>>708253337
I dont want to believe this to be real. How would mankind survive if every male got castrated? This is so stupid, it must be trolling. Right? R-right?
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>>708251534
Looters that want less freedom yet have their name as "liberals", want more laws and more taxes more "free" stuff
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>all these examples of liberal
So basically tumblr?
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>>708253513
It's okay. If you are a normal person and doesn't give a shit about what others do, then you're a classical liberal.
It's what most open-mined and non-prejudiced people are.

But in America there's a special brand of people that are just calling themselves liberals, yet demonstrate absolutely no relation to any liberal values. These people are exactly what everyone hates in religious fundies and cultists.
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>>708253976
yup
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>>708251534
Not actually liberal. They're authoritarians who hijacked the title. I'd go as far as calling them the fascists of the left in a lot of cases.

Liberals are supposed to be all about supporting and furthering individual liberties, not banning everything that scares or slightly offends you.
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>>708254189
This guy gets it.
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>>708254036
to be fair, in america, theres a special brand of people that call themselves conservatives, yet demonstrate absolutely no relation to any conservative values. These people are exactly what everyone hates in SJWs and tumblrites.

tl;dr - America ratchets extreme lefties and extreme rightwing nutters to 11/10 leaving literally no room in the middle while the rest of the world is so busy watching America cuck itself that it doesnt deal with its own extremists
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>>708253174
Not only is she being racist to black people saying all blacks run fast and like basketball and fired chicken, but she wants to "change her race" to black.
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>>708254266
America truly suffers from the lack of quality education.

I mean they still talk about communism as a serious threat where the rest of the world has figured out there are better things.
Heck, you just mention communism and people go wild.
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>>708251534
>>708251534
>I want gender equality
>women live longer and healthier lives than men (and not due to lifestyle)
-- let's end this now.
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>>708252951
No 3 is actually a valid point.
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>>708255189
My nigga, I love Sowell
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>>708253720
Liberals don't think
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>>708255302
> Taking economics seriously in 2016
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>>708255283
To bad it's being overshadowed by completely retarded first two points.

But there's a saying that pretty much applies to this: Even a blind hen finds a corn seed eventually.
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>>708253337
>>708253352

It is satire, just looked it up
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>>708255647
>hey everyone! It's the current year!
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>>708253628
You tried.
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>>708253015
is this a christian group?? the compleat disregard for basic science points that way
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>>708253015
Please God if you exist, let this be a troll.
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>>708252704
Turns out we should have said Hillary.
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>>708253174
look its a transnigger
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>>708255647
''>''
You are breaking the rules
https://www.4chan.org/rules#global2
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>>708253337
hope this bitch gets tortured and killed in the most violent way possible
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>>708253628
>In the same breath: Donald Trump has crap hair, small hands, is extremely fat and probably has a tiny dick!

Nobody really cared until he flipped his shit about his hands.
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>>708252838
Amherst... Ech
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>>708255302
but no spending billions of tax dollars on a wall is very economically beneficial
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>>708256041
Haha. That's what I've been saying all along.
The SJWs and American feminists were born out of the Christian mentality.
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>>708255283
Yeah but it contradicts with 2)....
True statements are useless if you don't know how to use them
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>>708256467
''>''
Breaking rule #2
https://www.4chan.org/rules#global2
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Depends on the issue. When it comes to gender fluid-pan sexual-he,she,it,her, I recognize as a Apache helicopter toaster with a waffle then they are absolutely hell.
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>>708256888
WHAT THE FUCK SCUM ARE YOU APPROACHING NATIVE AMERICAN ATTACK HELICOPTER CULTURE.
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Does anyone have the picture of the comparison of what the magazines say a woman is vs the trans woman? Thanks in advance
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ITT: Neckbeards confusing tumblr with liberals because if it's not on the Internet it's not real for them.
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>>708252704

>boarders

If you're going to try to make fun of conservatives, you should at least use the correct word.
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>>708257451
I like to say I'm fiscally conservative and socially liberal. People can't understand how you can be both and their minds shatter.
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>>708257522
Dude was talking about the liberals love of doing surgery on people boarding a ship is all.
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>>708255189

Manipulate the system, buy off politicians, break the law and use political connections to avoid real consequences, hide money in offshore holdings to avoid taxes, beg for money when the bubble your shenanigans caused explodes and you wreck the economy.

> cry communism when anyone expects you to contribute, make idiots believe poor people with one frivolous purchase are the real problem
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>>708257712
a person who uses a snowboard
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>>708256646
Most were raised christian, but turned to athiesm.
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>>708255093
cringe

make more dank memes about your greatness from your mom's basement
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>>708251534
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>>708258145
>hur dur tolerate my intolerance or you're intolerant
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>>708253628
Agreed
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>>708257986

SJW's have hijacked atheism.

It's not because they've critically analysed theism or thought things through rationally, but rather they view atheism as a "progressive" position and so apply the term to themselves.

They are obsessed with identity politics and have to tell everyone how progressive and virtuous they are.

>pro-gay
>pro-trans
>pro-choice
>anti-Christian
>pro-Muslim (because they're brown)
>anti-conservative
>pro-refugees
>anti-capitalist (#downWithCapitalism *sent from my iPhone)
>pro-feminism


They will co-opt any genuine social justice movement as their own and poison it from within.

SJWs are a cancer.
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>>708254036
Nah, you're a libertarian my dude. If you have a truly live and let live outlook that's not liberal.
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>>708253247
I bet she's a wonderful person to talk to. if she's not the worst troll ever
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>>708257616
I blame the two party system, people think those are the only two teams.
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>>708253720
Actually through the magic of that horrible patriarchal cesspool, science, it's possible for two women to have a kid.

>take egg from first woman
>extract genetic info
>implant into egg from second woman
>IVF
>???
>Profit?

Even better for womynkind, it would absolutely be guaranteed to be female.
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>>708258701
Libertarians are fiscally conservative though
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>>708258923
Shut up Goy!!!
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>>708258591
Buzzwords make the best hashtags. #athiest
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The shit is really fucked up and twisted, to the point where "liberal"(wich means ultra capitalism) means "leftish". The real liberals would be pissed of If they were alive. And now they are called libertarians
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>>708251534
Modern liberalism is a disease hammered into people by minorities who feel as if every failure they have in life is caused by some straight, white, male behind a desk.
Young women aren't going to university: "THEY FEEL PRESSURED TO BE STAY-AT-HOME MOTHERS"
Black gets shot: "IT'S THOSE FUCKING RACIST WHITE COPS"
Fuck i want to die
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>>708258923
Yea I'm with you there. Even if a third does show its head its quickly destroyed or assimilated.
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>>708254189
yes! And they're neo-liberals, but they call themselves "progressives", which are fundamentally rooted in Marxism.

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>>708259023
The only thing libertarians dont agree is abortions, abortions are murder. No, i am not a monotheist
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>>708259127
No no no don't want to die. Want to make them what to die. Flip this fucking society on its head by pushing back just as hard as they do.
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>>708256711
is that what you post when you don't have a counter argument?
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>>708259254
My god dat rage tho.
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>>708255093
Holy shit the second hand embarrassment from this picture is infinite
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>>708259254
If we can keep that label neo_liberal in the he fore front we can segregate them. Maybe we need a term like tea party.
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liberals used to be good people

But they have been taken over by cucks

How and when im not sure. I assume the "make everyone equal and be nice" was too easily taken over

Now liberals
>Shame men for liking women
>Teach boys that they are rapist in waiting
>Tell whites they are pure evil
>Tell blacks welfare is good
>support BLM even when they destroy things
>Telling girls they are being payed less
>Telling girls 100000 women are raped per millisecond
>Colleges have safe spaces
>college students think the first amendment is evil
>Schools banning American Flags but allowing other flags
>Sweden now allowing isis flags
>Europe covering up regugee rape cases
>The mentality that racism and sexism is worse than rape and murder
>Calling all men rapist but loving Islam
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>>708259367
are her porn any good? i remember watching a bit of one, she was wearing a hajib, kek'd and forgot to fap
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>>708257800
> the only sensible post on /b/
> no replies
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>>708255647
Stop being retarded
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>>708259254

Neo liberals and progressives are not the same thing, idiot.
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>>708259641
Notgod help you if you like guns.
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>>708259746
I forgot to mention that guns to liberals are pure evil
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>>708251796
"If you like your doctor, you will be able to keep your doctor. If you like your health care plan, you will be able to keep your health plan."

1.4 MILLION PEOPLE ARE PROJECTED TO LOSE OBAMACARE NEXT YEAR.

90%+ WILL SEE AN INCREASE IN INSURANCE PREMIUMS BETWEEN 23-68%

Many states only have ONE insurance company to choose from in the "open market" where they were supposed to have MORE choices.

Yeah, you're an idiot if you think we need 4 more years of this bullshit.
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>>708259307
http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Libertarian_Party_Budget_+_Economy.htm

http://www.ontheissues.org/Celeb/Democratic_Party_Budget_+_Economy.htm

No. Read more.
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>>708259651
she looks good covered up but her nipples are fucked and in her scenes shes pretty amateur.
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>>708259836
wrong, they just want more gun control.
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>>708258300
>>708258318
>Those dead eyes.
It's like they actually have something seriously wrong with them.
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>>708259836
more like to Republicans gun control= pure evil
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>>708259843
BCBS in Oklahoma is going up by 72% since they have no competition.
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>>708259967
You'd have to be an idiot to believe that.

End goal is a total ban, they're just willing to lie to your face to get there.
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>>708253628
The inverse of that is also true though.
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>>708259843
yeah trump has offered many solutions to this, by that I mean none except that he will tax businesses that try to sell jobs overseas I guess? Moral of the story regardless of the candidate its better to vote democrat because of their ideology and backing. In addition Trump doesn't believe in climate change.
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>>708259843

Ya, and its not like the costs couldnt be increased by far more without an insurance mandate, right?

And Trumps "open the borders for competition" wouldnt do jack shit for competition. All that would happen is all the companies would move operations to Delaware for the tasty corporate loopholes and make more money while keeping everything else the same.
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>>708256467
Its a one time buy that saves us money we spend on finding illegals and illegal criminals. How can I put this in words you'll understand? Let's see. Think about how your parents bought you minecraft. The game cost $20 and you received the whole game and its features, like playing online with your autistic pals. Now think about how they pay for your xbox live. Thats about $20 or so a month, and they still buy you the new $60 call of duty so you can play online with your autistic pals. On top of this, your parents also have bills and debts to pay, so removing your xbox live gold and new call of duty, and replacing it with minecraft to keep you from throwong autistic fits would be ideal.
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>>708260125
yeah the boogymans gonna get ya!!
That's retard the government is smart enough to know that people aren't gonna give up the guns they own just because they pass a law. If its gonna happen like you think it will, a SEAL team is gonna bust through your door and take them by force.
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>>708259485
>>708259722
Neo-liberals are certainly calling themselves "progressives". They are not at all "classical liberals".

One fundamental problem with the modern age, which has been caused, in part by Marxism and a corrupt media, is the "dumbing down" of Western man by altering and perverting knowledge, particularly "grammar". (And this is not grammar as in English class, this is grammar related to the trivium, i.e. grammar, logic, and rhetoric.) By altering the base of knowledge, the populace becomes confused of the meaning of things and then can be forced to believe meaning based on the provider's definition. This is one major way Cultural Marxism works: by subverting classical knowledge and esthetics with deconstruction as shown by "critical theory" that allowed such stuff as gender studies, race theory, woman studies, etc. in our universities and media.

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>>708251534
adherents of a political philosophy based on liberty and equality.
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>>708260488
what happens when they dig under the wall?
also
>spending even more money trying to deport millions of illegal
yeah this all makes Bernies free college plan look like a wall street bail out
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Important Wikileaks Email Links

Proof of receiving money from foreign donors, which is illegal, but she does it in away to circumvent current laws-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11915
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7452

Podesta Scheming to move the primaries out of Illinois to get more votes, because they lost there in 2012-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7252

Colluding with Superpacs, which is illegal-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5332

Ties between Russian Uranium One and Podesta+his brother (they got paid to lobby for it and Clinton got paid)/more on Uranium One-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/112

Hillary took money from Saudis and the Quataris while knowing they fund ISIS-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3774

Proof of Clinton taking money and favors from UAE Sheik Mohammed (who also likely funds terrorist organizations)-
https://archive.is/MRofz

Clinton plans on closing the gun show loop hole and hold manufacturers accountable via executive order. Very authoritarian-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1509

Podesta acknowledges how absolutely horrible the nuclear deal with Iran was, but they did it anyway-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/727

Proof that colluding progressive media like CNN are designed only to push progressive views and to be an echo chamber+more proof of collusion -
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10547

Proof that the colluding elite "conspire to produce an unaware and compliant citizenry"-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3599
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>>708260125

> calls someone else an idiot
> thinks banning guns is possible

Banning guns would take a supermajority of both legislative branches AND the majority of the states to ratify it.

Tl;dr for someone who doesnt understand big words - Guns will NEVER be banned in the U.S.
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>>708260801
3 of Hillary's paid Speeches to Goldman Sachs (see attachments). Several juicy stuff. including an admittance to the US purposely not wanting to unify Korea and Acknowledging that Saudi Arabia and Jordan ARM ISIS-
https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/11011

Conspiracy to destroy or conceal evidence from the committee-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10258

More Media Collusion and Corruption: All 3 TV firms are being paid by the Clinton's to write scripts-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9074

Proof of more media collusion via private, off the record, dinners with reporters-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10353

Proof That Numerous Reporters and News Agencies are Colluding with Clinton-
https://archive.is/HXyPO
https://my.mixtape.moe/isqmzu.pdf

Proof that they know mass immigration is a bad idea and that it is causing harm in Europe, yet Hillary still advocates for open borders. She is not looking out for the American people-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/295

Transcripts of a meeting with BLM activists in 2015. Proof that Clinton promises BLM that they will federally defund the police force and ban them from buying assault weapons and riot gear. That's not good enough for them though (see attachment)-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10095

Brian Fallon controls Hillary's twitter and probably her entire social media presence and they coordinate this all with NBCs very own John Harwood-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5810

Threatening Party Members for Not Supporting Clinton in The DNC-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3609
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Proof That The NYT is in Clinton's Pocket-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/370
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10467

Chelsea Clinton is using CF funds - which includes taxpayer dollars - to fund her for-profit activities-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7136

Chelsea Clinton's embezzling leading to a Clinton Foundation near suicide-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3332

More evidence of cooperation between the Saudis and the Clintons-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/11334

Clinton team claiming that Obama rigged the primaries-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10290

Univision Collusion-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5541

Implications that they planned to circumvent voter laws from day one. See item 7-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails//fileid/5637/1664

Proof that Clinton's donations are primarily from big money/more evidence of corruption (see attachment)-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10218

Proof of Huffington Post Collusion-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9598

Collusion between Clinton and La Opinion (a Spanish newspaper in the US). They're literally editing articles in it to be pro-Clinton-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7442

Clinton to push a Catholic Spring-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6293
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>>708260949
Proof of Media Collusion from Eryn Sepp-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5532

Proof Podesta is Literally in Bed with the Banks-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3747

CTR (Clinton's paid propaganda arm) and David Brock Collusion-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6119

More proof of foreign donors-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6866

Proof of Clinton aides discussing ways for Clinton to support minimum wage while not actually supporting it, she's a snake-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10237

Proof That The Center of American Progress is in Clinton's Pocket-
https://archive.is/NhcV8

Clinton Foundation wasted GSA funds (taxpayer $$) to rent an empty 8600 sq ft office for 3 years. They discuss that this was done to use circumvent an audit of the Clinton foundation-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9768

Possible Proof That Clinton's Campaign Staff Knew the DNC was rigged against sanders since March-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/5214

Clinton is Ultimately Going to Support the TPP-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6616

Concerns over White House staff? "Bring a food taster and wear body amor that covers the back."-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/3198

Evidence of collusion with the Pritzker Group-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10287
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>>708260328
Ideologies in the dem party are (in my experiences) overly obsessive of social issues. And the funding of large corporations the flourishing of big businesses and the struggle of small businesses. Yeah so if you want a fucked up health care system and a media obsessed with social reform vote dem. Has no interest in fixing our fucked up economy
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>>708260560
I feel like the army won't be apart of something like that since a lot of those guys really love their guns. Going to have to be a special unit of overweight females and sickly looking males armed with their sharp wits and and loud speakers.
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>>708261017
More Proof of connections between Soros and Podesta-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7278
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7278
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8809

More evidence of collision with the media via press dinners-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10353

Proof of CTR funding from Soros and Clinton-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6700

Proof of Knowledge of Clinton's Money Issues/Corruption from Brent Budowsky-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/6900

More proof of "pay-to-play" and special favors for Clinton insiders-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9769

Choosing Supreme Court Judges Based on Race-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/8632

Proof of CNBC collusion and telling CNBC what to ask her-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7710

Steering CNN reporter Chris Frates-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7288

Collusion between CNN, James Rubin, and Clinton Campaign-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/7718

Proof of the Clinton cabal conspiring against Fox News-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/10049

More evidence of collusion between the Clinton campaign and the NYT-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9416

Clinton staff complaining about NYT doing a story on Priorities USA "whether we like it or not"/possible evidence of collusion-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/9161

Proof the Clinton campaign has foreknowledge of how media will present. More implications of media collusion-
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/1759
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>>708261120
then why are you scared of gun control?
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>>708260801
better vid... needs to be a gif, though
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>>708260488

> one time buy
> repairs, maintenance, added security

Maximum retardation.
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>>708252838
Abolish prisons? Wtf is she on? Also, it's funny how America tried for years to eradicate communism only for fat cunts like this to preach it again.
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Remember we all went to the same libcuck schools. (well ok im assuming most of us)

But yet many people dont have white male guilt. Not all girls think everything is rape

And I live on L.I (New York) a fairly democratic state but I've seen more American flags and Trump love than cucking and Hillary support

And not just white men. Ive seen mexican lookin people driving cars with Trump flags. Girls wearing "make America great again". Bars packed with whites and blacks and even Arabs who cheer for trump and booed at Hillary. Seen young kids to old farts supporting America

Libcucks have hurt us. They hurt Sweden and Germany. But Germany has been through worse shit. America has been through worse ahit

People will grow and learn the truth. More and more normal fags are seeing the bullshit of marxist libcuckin. And more people will go against it

Now things seem bad. Hopeless. But society changes. Before you know it, things will change. It may be a huge war. Or maybe something more slow. But it will change.
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>>708260560
You underestimate the arrogance of a large number of people in our government if you think they won't pass laws attempting it.

No, SEAL team 6 isn't going to bust down my door. My local sheriff is going to laugh at the feds and refuse to comply and nothing major will happen in my state beyond everyone an' their mum getting ready for a fight that hopefully will never come.

>>708260807
Didn't say it's possible, just that it's their end goal. You have to realize that there are a lot of crazy asses that legit think they can do it.

Also, supreme court can simply declare the 2nd only applies to police and military because "muh mulisha". If Hillary wins and the dems take congress we're boned. Will it go over well? Fuck no. Doesn't mean it can't happen. Still won't do much in the grander scheme beyond getting some politicians ventilated.

>>708261120
>mfw the soccermom battalion shows up carrying brady bunch pamphlets wearing a new camo pattern made with a collage of box wine images with mag pouches full of xanax
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>>708260328
are you really that dense?

I showed irrefutable evidence that not only did Obama lie through his teeth about his healthcare plans but the result has been MONOPOLIZING healthcare in a lot of states which is what he claimed to be doing the OPPOSITE of......but somehow you still try and twist it into some anti-trump bullshit when the guy hasn't made one mistake anywhere near as catastrophic. You gotta be a shill, a welfare baby or just have your head in the sand.
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>>708261084
Obama fixed the economy with his stimulus package and bank bailouts so people could take out more small loans which was proven beneficial to the economy, Hillary's father was a small business owner Trump is the last guy who has small business in mind considering he has products made in China/Mexico which is very hypocritical, and building the wall and spending all that tax dollars on getting illegal immigrants out will be very damaging to the economy.
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>>708261249
Guess what that creates shit for brains? Go ahead and guess
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People who know the Scandinavian way is the objectively best way
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>>708260780
If you think mexicans are going to manage digging under a wall with security on and behindit, you have to actually be autistic
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>>708260328
"Yeah I know Obama completely derailed our healthcare system and the cost for most people has almost tripled over the past 3 years, but you should still vote for Hillary because Trump said some mean things."

Liberals in a nutshell.
You have your answer OP.

/thread
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>>708261530
getting the immigrants out will make the minimum wage higher you goober, not only that but it will get black people jobs
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>>708259254
What a wonderful world without pale white people.
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>>708261759
>grab her right in the pussy
You're literally fucking retarded, border patrol is gonna guard 2000 miles of border? Yeah right
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>>708260807
No they will just regulate bullets, tell you you cant have 30 round mags, then 10, then 5. Tell you no more semi autos, tell you no more 10+ round pistols. They don't ban the guns they ban the FUNCTION of the guns. This is exactly how they did it in Cali. People there dont even have a right to carry weapons in public anymore.
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>>708261817
Trump doesnt even know when the election is. Either hes a Clinton plant or hes literally retarded
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>>708261530
The only people fighting so hard against a secure border are 1) Illegal immigrants and their family members they're still trying to get over the border or 2) business owners who benefit from illegal labor

Literally no one else would argue about making the border safer, more secure, and maintaining the sovereignty of our country.

Prove me wrong without using some "it'll cost too much" when we hand out 1,000 times the cost of building a wall to lazy faggots taking advantage of food stamps and free obama phones
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>>708261420
But what america needs is the people who hate cuckin n marxist bullshit to join with the Military and Police (since remember BLM and anti American fags like arab terrorists and BLM hate the police and military)

If the pro American people had the military and police. The anti American faggots would be rekt. But as long as the police back up BLM bullshit the more people hate them

Also in the event of a civil war against the government the military wont do much because no man in the armed forces will want to kill people they may know.

Trust me the anti american BLM niggers would be rekt. Even if hillary put huge numbers of refugees.


Question is. Will it ever get so bad or just ease into something more tolerable
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>>708261817
that was a very elementary analysis of what I said, please try to think before you post.
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>>708261840
You can't speak logically about the topic to them because you're either talking with illegal immigrants or anchor babies to begin with.
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>>708261530
"helped the economy" I don't you understand that Obama didnt do SHIT for the economy. We have had one of the slowest recoveries from our great recession. Nothing he did helped that. Shit just got better because consumer confidence returned.
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>>708262028
Spend money on a wall that doesn't work, or people who do work.

Tough choice.
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Tribalism and division are tools by the corporate overlords to get people to ignore real problems and shift blame.
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>>708259367
>implying you want to hear my argument
>Implying I want to do your homework when google is right there
>Implying someone would take his time to teach you what you didn't learn in college, and you could if you just pick a book a started reading
>gg m8
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>>708261182
>gun control
Did some nigger say gun control?
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>>708262028

Also rich cuck celebs who will never have to live near illegals and dont know how the cartel uses these illegals for their gain.


Same reason celeb fags love refugees. They will give up other people's towns but tell me how many refugees hillary or her celeb shills are taking?

If they got million so refugees you think they would go to Beverly Hills or some rich area? NO.

Those million refugees would be planted few miles from mostly middle classed white areas. Because to hillary white people would need more diversity

Then when thousands of women and little girls get raped the news would cover it up. When a few gun owners ended up killing the refugees the media would show it as "Racist White Men Murder Poor Innocent Refugees"
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>>708262234
>Spend money on a wall that doesn't work
Israel build a wall that works well.
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>>708262113
Your rebuttal was extremely elementary, did you expect me to right a fucking thesis on the thoughts of a 2nd grader? Hillary is for doubling down on an already provably FAILED obamacare system. Trump has legitimate changes like, again, opening state borders so mom and pop insurance companies can actually compete and insurance isn't monopolized. You know, the fucking free market like it's supposed to be, dipshit. The only people who benefited from obamacare are people who weren't working and didn't have insurance before and now have other people fitting the bill for them. Everyone with a job is getting bent over with LESS coverage for MORE money, so tell me how it's been a success again.
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>>708262030
>people they may know.
>white silouettes on a black and white screen
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>>708261938
Wow, youd think ctr would actually be good at what theyre trying to do by now, i guess living in a basemwnt watching hentai half your life doesnt provide much exercise in cognitive intuition.
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>>708262028
"secure border"
most illegals come in by flight and just overstay their visas you fucking retard I get a wall is very appealing to brain dead jackasses like yourself but maybe you should stop trying to pretend youre some "righteous patriot who wants to make America safe" when Trumps plan is very dangerous and threating to people who actually have families to take care of and responsibilities that aren't playing XBOX and doing homework
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>>708253015
it's satire. there's no way this isn't satire.
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>>708261182
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>>708262234
How do you KNOW a wall won't work when it's not even built yet, dumbass? The only example we have is Israel, and they have THE most secure border in the world that's landlocked, i'd say it fucking works. And if you're also implying that most people on food stamps actually work, you're willfully ignoring the millions of people who game the system, sit on the porch and soak up benefits like they aren't a thing.

Either way, you're a terrible liar.
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>>708262202
Well then I guess Trump would be a great president since hes fucked away all his inheritance and bailout money and is currently dirt poor.
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>>708253628
>image meant to demonstrate how liberals demonize other political alignments
>entire text post is demonizing liberals

truly a masterpiece
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>>708262662
not to forget all the money he scammed from donations and trump university applicants
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>>708255958
real talk isn't this a joke? I was always under the impression that the whole "it's 2016" thing on Oliver is, like, satire. maybe I misread the whole thing.
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>>708262448
That's literally a hundred times small than a US one would have to be.
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>>708262220
it happened under Obamas presidency so its usually expected to give him credit
>>708262532
most guns used in street crime are stolen from people who bought them legally so theres other people at fault In this situation, like the retards who keep their gun in the bedstand or out in a place where they can be easily stolen.
>>708262468
>that will show him
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>>708262505
[citation needed]

Yeah, what was I thinking? Surely most illegals just fly in because coyotes who walk illegals over the border and make millions for the cartels every year aren't a thing right?

I wish I could just act like very real things don't exist when I want to launch an argument, I could just ignore my credit card bills and everything else because, according to you, they just fucking disappear or something.
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>>708262662
Explain to me how she got 31.2 million when her pay as secretary of state is $186.600
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>>708258251
>>hur dur tolerate my intolerance or you're intolerant

underappreciated POV
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>>708262997
Using Trumplet logic: shes obviously very very good at economics.
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>>708262912
Israel's border wall is 132 miles.
The US border is 2,000 miles.

"But it's LITERALLY A HUNDRED TIMES SMALLER"

No, it's more than more than 5% of the size that it would be on the US border. And this is why you can't have any real discussion with a liberal cuck anchor baby who wants the country flooded with illegal immigrants.
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>>708258947
That sounds like it would create some even more retarded children down the line.
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>>708262651
>The only example we have is Israel, and they have THE most secure border in the world that's landlocked

A wall that's a hundred times smaller, supported with rockers and snipers and doesn't have a fucking ocean on either side.

>you're willfully ignoring the millions of people...

Niggers and white trash, not the Mexicans.
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>>708262934
http://www.migrationpolicy.org/article/frequently-requested-statistics-immigrants-and-immigration-united-states#Visa Backlogs
I know you would rather like a small picture or graph because that's much easier for your peanut brain to digest but maybe try some reading for once and learn something
>inb4 y-yeah,I don't c-care enough to read that
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>>708255283
If some fat person acknowledges they're at greater risk of heart disease and whatnot that's their problem and they can live with that if that's what they want.

The problem arises when you've got those fat activists pretending that even morbid obesity has no ill effects and try to convince everyone of that. I'm okay with people knowingly choosing for a shorter life but I'm not okay with people spreading misinformation that causes people unknowingly eat themselves to death.

Not to mention the reason FA's are trying to make being fat normal is so they feel better about themselves failing to lose weight because they have no self control.
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>>708258251
I mean yeah if you preach tolerance your supposed to tolerate intolerance that's why liberalism is a self destructive ideology. You have to tolerate everyone or your not actually tolerant just some asshole who wants everyone to think like you do like literally every other political ideology on earth.
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>>708262997
High paying speeches and best selling books.
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>>708263209
Again, there's no way to have a logical discussion with you faggots when you blatantly lie and say the shits 100 times smaller. If anything it's about 7-8% the size which is LITERALLY not even close to a hundred times smaller.

If all you can do is spew obvious lies for your reasons against securing the border, you have no argument to begin with and should just shut the fuck up tbqh.
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>>708253521
This.

The Libs took it too far
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>>708261182
Gun control is a restriction of our rights for something we didn't do. It's not something we're actually scared of. It's something that pisses us off. You're stealing from us and claiming it makes us safer when we know damn good and well that's a steaming load of horse shit.

Instead of targeting guns legalize and tax MJ and empty prisons of all people there for possession or some other BS non-violent MJ related charge. Then create treatment centers not unlike asylums for addicts of harder substances that are actually there to help them get clean, not teach them how to nigger more gooder. Fill the prisons back up with real criminals and stop letting them back out for stupid reasons. Then comes the real fight. Fix four very specific issues. Poverty, corruption, poor education, and urban decay. These issues are the roots of crime in the US. Fix them and you'll see crime die off in an instant. Would also help to arm the victims among us and teach them how to fight back instead of taking it up the pooper and hoping the rapist isn't also a murderer.
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>>708263181
Liberals want the country flood with illegal immigrants?

They also want all guns removed, laws against anyone that eats meat, and all strippers to be fully clothed. They also want beer to be illegal. What else can we strawman into this argument?

They want all crime to be legal and all legal actions to be criminal. let's just keep it simple. No one wants illegal actions to happen, except for criminals. Unless you're talking about Green Peace most liberals are not related to criminal activities.

You would say the same thing about Republicans, because business owners always follow every regulation and law to the T, without exception.
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People not knowing Mexico has a border wall

Also fuckin chinese built a huge wall before the industrial revolution but somehow a U.S mexican border is impossible and evil

>US mex border is about 2000 miles

>Great Wall of China is 5,500 miles

Built before cars. Machines. In rougher environments

>but a wall would be impossible omg no way

How did we get so much technology but get so fucking lazy. The ching chongs built a huge wall during war with fucking rocks and cow shit and you say we cant with huge machines...
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>>708263259
You're trying to derail the original point which is pretty common with liberals.

"hurduur a lot of illegals fly in"

It still doesn't take away the fact that millions cross on foot. That's the problem and there's a viable solution to that problem. Once a wall is built we can tackle the problem of those overstaying visas. Quite simple really you're just trying to complicate things because Grandma Sanchez or whoever the fuck is going to be stuck on the wrong side of the wall. Sucks for you.
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>>708253628
Oh the irony
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>>708263181
So I used the word literally wrong? Doesn't change the point that the wall would have to be shit loads bigger and include significant naval support on either side.
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>>708263626
> using chinese wall as an argument for successful walls
Ive read alot of retarded shit but that might just be the retardest
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>>708263577
You just said "The wall at the southern border will LITERALLY be ONE HUNDRED TIMES longer than the one in Israel so it's IMPOSSIBLE."

When it will barely be 15 times larger.

You can blabber and grasp at whatever you want, but you just shit yourself with lies trying to come up with a reason against a secure border and it was obvious as fuck.

Get fucking real, kid.
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>>708263181
Admit it, it was a lot closer of a number then you originally thought. missed it by 4%

I am surprised at the numbers too.
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>>708263467
>picks out a small semantical error
>dismisses the facts because he knows he can't answer to them

Grow up
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>>708263626
>border patrol says it would be better to have a fence, then you could see what was on the other side easier.
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>>708258363
>trashone coats

i mean i get that nigs dont understand how names work but what the fuck
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>>708263781
arguing against a border wall

uses the word "retardest" to describe a completely viable plan.

the anchor babies have invaded /b/ now
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>>708263626
Because no one wants to build the wall for the next 100 years.
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>We don't need a secure border

Gee i wonder who is behind these posts
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>>708253628
so fucking true
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>>708263781

Didnt mention anything about if it worked or didn't work you idiot

Point i was making is they built a fucking wall almosy 2x the legth in worse conditions

Maybe a wall wouldnt work 100%. Them illegal find some clever ways of getting in

But you would stop some. Even if its only less than 50%. You still stopped a shit ton

Also come up with actual arguments to why you think illegals should be allowed in America. Because if you don't then think of an actual solution. If you do explain why illegals are good.


And dont name call. Dont start shit. I want ideas and reasons.
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>>708263901
>>708263738

You didn't just use the word "literally" wrong, faggot. You exaggerated your numbers by almost 1000% to justify your argument and hope nobody was going to call you on it.

15 times larger> LITERALLY ONE HUNDRED TIMES LARGER

Just say you lied and shut the fuck up, quit trying to back-pedal or whatever the fuck. You were caught in an obvious lie. Your position is moot.
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>>708257800
This
But then it's not about left vs right, it's about (real) politics vs neo-capitalism
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>>708251534
I'm 41, and I know more about politics than you do.
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>>708264146
>You exaggerated your numbers by almost 1000%

See now if my argument had no legs I could focus entirely on your mathematical inaccuracy and dismiss everything you write.

But I don't need to, because I'm right.
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>>708251534

Why would a communist read buzzfeed?
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>>708264074
Illegals are already digging holes and being smulled in cars and shit. They might as well get into a boat if you build a wall
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Immigration is good for the economy.
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>>708251534

> liberals
> communist party

well, didn't expect much anyway. It's 4chan after all.
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>>708264416
If only we could learn from israel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfF07HSsfGc
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>>708263996
That's what modern technology is for. You could also employ a fuckton of homeless people to work on the wall providing them with 3 hots and a cot while they do it so they can save that money and advance themselves in life.

You don't have to build the Great Wall of China 2, just a legit barrier.

On top of that make gaining citizenship a faster more streamlined program with relaxed rules where possible. Our immigration laws are actually pretty strict last I saw.

Allowing for legal citizenship while presenting a physical (a literal wall) and electronic (cameras/FLIR on posts every so far, unarmed or lightly armed drone patrols in sky and on ground) barrier to illegals should cut the problem to pieces as far as Mexico goes.
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>>708264447
As is free trade.
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>>708253628
>Liberals have conflicting opinions...

Gee, it's almost as if there's more than one of them, and they have individual minds!

And you call us stupid...
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>>708257800
This.

But ironically we are probably on different sides of the political spectrum.
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>>708254592
You're wrong.
It's like saying traps are sexists toward women because of wearing makeup and skirts.
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>>708264336

Your original argument was "It will never work and it's a waste of money" like every other illegal immigrant, anchor baby, and SJW.

I provided a real life example where it has and does work in Israel.

Show me a real example where it HASN'T worked if you want to try and salvage what's left of your position.

I think you're scared of the fact that it's very possible and very easy and building a SECURE wall, not just one a few miles long with a fence under it the rest of the way will NOT ONLY stop illegal immigrants from crossing on foot but will stimulate the economy by providing thousands of well-paying jobs to LEGAL citizens and negate any short-term costs in the long term.


That's fact and there's nothing wrong/racist/bigotted about it and there's no way to "shout it down" with your bag of liberal buzzwords, that's what terrifies you.
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>>708264587
I wonder what kind of people will cover 2000 miles of desert. Im sure people will jump on the opportunity of working 24/7 staring at sand in case a mexican shows up
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>>708264447
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>>708264677
>they have individual minds

except they dont
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>>708264650
Nafta was only good for the uber-wealthy. Its effects on the average person was overwhelmingly a net-negative. This is how all trade deals work. They are claimed to be good for the economy because they make .1% of people vast amounts of wealth, while costing the very people less able to afford a financial hit.
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I bet you damn dirty deplorables possess ILLEGAL leaks! Let CNN set you straight!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_X16_KzX1vE
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It's communism lite at this point. Dems are crooks, but why would buisnesses support communism? Why do they donate to shit canidates like shillary? I'm lost as to why
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>>708264829
This inmigration is bad for the working class meme has no basis at all.
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>>708256041
Christianity and science are not exclusive. People that believe that are ignorant. Some of the smartest scientists are Christians
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>>708264935
Because Hillary has very different opinions in private. She is most certainly not going to tax businesses, she is just saying what people want to hear.

Voting Hillary is voting Wall Street
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>>708261627

Additional expenses that are not a one time purchase as you claim, on a wall that is far too big to be effective at its purpose, to handle a non existent problem, that also generates no revenue?
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>>708264447

When its legal and allowed to mix properly

When Italians and such immigrated here they had time to learn American culture and give

Now we have Mexicans wanting to destroy America and Arabs who would just love to force Sharia law down our asses

Multiculturalism can work and it has. But it can also fail.
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>>708264891
That's a common misconception actually.
It's better for everyone, ranging from the bottom to the top. This muh manufacturing thing is a joke. Those industries are gone, never to return. And it's not because of nafta.
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>>708264822
There you go exaggerating again.

It would be an 8 to 10 hour job like any other one. You realize there are towns near the border right? Towns with unemployed people just like any other town.

You faggots cry about there being no jobs, this would create FEDERAL jobs that are well-paying AND have benefits but that's not good enough for you?

FFS make up your goddamn mind already
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>>708264935
because youre a fucking retard if you think Hillary is even the slightest bit leftist.
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>>708265124
>Now we have Mexicans wanting to destroy America and Arabs who would just love to force Sharia law down our asses
Come on man
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>>708264864
>They don't have individual minds

That kind of black and white thinking is why people, left or right, fail to grasp reality. Step outside your partisan box for a second, retard, and realize that there are idiots and geniuses on both sides. You just happen to be one of the idiots.

>ALL LIBERALS ARE MINDLESS SHEEP FOLLOWING THEIR PC GODS.

No, they're not. I'm a liberal. I think PC is fucking stupid. I value free speech more than I value equality, simply because if we lose free speech, we automatically lose equality as well.

I loathe Hillary Clinton about as much as I loathe Donald Trump. I'm smart enough to recognize that BOTH are dishonest, and only in it for their own personal power.
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>>708265135
there are towns close to every single part of the border? And if its a 8 hour job the immigrants will just come at night
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>>708264952
>Blue collar isn't saturated with 5$ an hour slaves

boy am i going to need a source
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>>708265119
To believe what you just said was true, you'd have to hit yourself in the head with a hammer a few times.

1) You're implying a wall would be completely ineffective when it hasn't even been built yet so you have no way to know.

2) You're ignoring the fact that there are millions that cross on foot along the border, that's hardly a non existent problem

How many thousands of other government programs DONT generate revenue, motherfucker? Should we just gut those too? According to you, they're just a waste.

You have NO sound argument against a border wall. Just admit it.
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>>708264447
>Immigration is good for the economy.
only if they come from 1st world countries.
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>>708265236
>I value free speech more than equality
I have news for you: You are not, by today's social definition, a liberal. Unless you think it was wonderful how the supreme court overstepped its authority to shove gay marriage down every state's throat at once, to institute "hate speech" laws, you are not a liberal.
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>>708265270
now you're just being willfully stupid. you must be an illegal if you don't realize what "shifts" on are on a job. You went from saying 1 person would be working 24/7 to 1 person ONLY working 8 hours and having no one the other 16 hours a day.

You either want to have a discussion about it, or you want to act like a 4 year old when you get proven wrong. Pick one.
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>>708256682
It doesn't contradict with two. They're both true statements that stand on their own. Keep in mind that "fat" isn't the same thing as "obese."

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19543208
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>>708265200
> [This is what Trumplets actually believe]
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I'm a second generation immigrant(parents from Mexico) and I work 5 ,11 hour days days a week doing roofing for 12 dollars an hour. I've seen there's maybe 5 white guys where I work and most stay at the shop and do boss work, like man the machines and do all the behind the scenes office shit. It makes me wonder, though, I know alot arrive illegally, do they not help the economy? I mean, they're working, and buying american products, and paying bills. It seems the only problem is just that they're undocumented, of they had their citizenship then it'd be all good right? It's just a bitch to obtain.
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>>708265200

Tons of mexicans with mexican flags burning American flags. Little kids with "make America Mexico again".

Yes im sure most mexicans are good americans who find these people bad. Like im sure plenty of Blacks hate BLM. But they still exist

And you have seen regugees push sharia law and anti western ideas in Europe. They attack men. Rape women. Shout for Europeans to die and burn

Stop thinking everyone is nice and that bad doeant exist. It does. And it's shit you can see

Would you like pictures or articles showing these things?
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>>708265236
>I'm smart enough to recognize

Bad phrasing here. I'm UNBIASED enough to recognize it. It really doesn't take a genius to see that they're both megalomaniacs.

People on the Right see Hillary as a charlatan who will stop at nothing to gain power. They're right.

People on the Left see Trump as a demagogue who has a tiny mind and a huge lust for power. They're also right.

Indeed, the only way to NOT recognize this is to blind yourself with partisan bias, as most people are more than willing to do.

Frank Herbert said "Fear is the mind killer..."

No, black-and-white thinking is the mind killer. There's no faster way to sabotage reason than to allow your political bias to act as a prism through which you view the world. It's a mental burka. Take that shit off, retard.
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>>708253628
HOW FUCKING RETARDED IS THAT GRAPH?!?!

WHO MAKE THIS SHIT
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>>708265622
Oh shit, first gen I meant
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>>708265119
>generates no revenue
Great wall of china are generating a lot tourism revenue for china.
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>>708264739
>it won't work and will waste money
>but Israel have a much smaller wall with no oceans to get around it and armed with trained military personnel

The Cetua border fence was set up in 1995
In 2015 illegal immigration from Morocco was at record levels.

>it's very possible

Not for a decent price. If it was going to work at all you would have to go full military with it and the cost just would not be worth it.

And that's ignoring all the eminent domain land theft the government would have to do.
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>>708265552
so how much can one team cover constantly? 1 mile? 4 people per mile is 2000*3= 6000 people making 15$ an hour + extra during nights, so around 2160000$ every day just in salaries + you need extra guards for weekends.
and immigrants can still just be smuggled in or take boats, legit stuff
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>At work
>Time for DIVERSITY DAY!!!!
>World renown speaker on "Diversity comes in. Hes blind giving a power point and killing it.
>Talking about how diversity is great for companies
>Time comes for Q&A
>co-workers softballing this dude stupid ass questions
>So I raise my hand "If diversity is always a a good thing, how come the leading companies in chip synthesis are these monolithic Asian companies (samsung etc.)
>IwasblindbutnowIsee.jpg
>This world class speaker had literally no response.

This is how I view liberals, they look at the world with this single view point "its just gotta be a good thing" They don't critically analyze their own ideas, they just sell the idea that conventional wisdom "just has to be right"
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>>708265622
It wouldn't be AS BIG a problem if that's all they did. You're romanticizing illegals absurdly (just like admittedly a lot of far-right people make them out to be crazy villains) but here's the thing. They're NOT just working, going home, buying products and laying low.

They're asking for college benefits, they're asking for tax breaks, wanting to start their own businesses, wanting health care benefits, etc. etc. all of which they DON'T pay into because they DON'T pay state and income taxes, property taxes, don't pay INTO all the programs that are designed for legal citizens but they expect to benefit from them.

That's ignoring the fact completely that they broke the law the second they came here illegally to begin with.

It shouldn't surprise you that the majority of people, INCLUDING legal immigrants who took all the right steps and waited their turn and did it the RIGHT way, are pissed off at them and want to send them back.

Why should we care about a bunch of assholes who didn't even care about THEIR OWN PEOPLE to the point they just said "fuck it, I deserve to go before you while you wait on your legal citizenship."
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>>708265635
>Yes im sure most mexicans are good americans who find these people bad.

So why not just get rid of the bad Mexicans?
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>>708265522
>You are not, by today's social definition, a liberal.

That's your opinion, and you're entitled to it. You are, however, wrong. You're falling into the exact trap I was trying to warn about in my post. You're categorizing with arbitrary litmus tests. You're trying to shove people into little boxes that allow you to think of whole groups as monoliths without having to address the complex grey-areas in between.

There is no such thing as a 'hate speech" law. There are hate-CRIME laws, however. If you commit a crime with the intent to cause fear in a group (say, by beating a gay guy to death in front of his gay friends while screaming about fags and such...) That's a hate crime. It's worse than beating someone to death in a crime of passion, because it has the intended effect of terrorizing an entire group, in addition to the crime against the person killed, it's a crime against the group he belonged to.

However, if you only walked up an yelled "Go die of aids, faggot!" To someone... that's hate-speech, but it is not, nor should it be, illegal.
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>>708264700

Im liberal on social issues (true liberal, no regressive sjw blm everyone gets a trophy bullshit, guns are fun, essentially "do what you like and leave me the fuck alone, too") and mixed on economic issues. People at the bottom need help, wages are shit, government does play a part in both fixing (and causing) the problems. Corporations maximizing profits isnt evil, the system itself being manipulated by oligarchs to ignore the will of the people is. We are a consumer culture, if everyone had more money (ie 12-15 an hour) the economy would be booming with new purchases, and thus new jobs.
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>>708266049
its funny because muslims and republicans generally have the same opinions
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>>708266083
Nah, not romanticizing at all, of course I'm aware that bad exists. I'm just curious, you're right, there's ones that do come legally and ones that dont.
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>>708255302
>>708255302
>>708255376
>>708255093
Americans are so fucking funny. Berny is a guy that literally the rest of the world would consider a pretty soft mid-left social democrat. But you are like

ERMGH COMMUNISM
SHANNON!!! GET THE BIBLE ITS THE DEVIL ON TV AGAIN
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>>708251534
mODS
mods
nIGGER
nigger
penis
PENIS
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>>708266384
hmmm.... yeaaa..... great stretch there retard.
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>>708251534
>supporting gay rights is bad and makes you dumb
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>>708265916
No oceans to get around...

motherfucker what do you call the Mediterranean Sea?

Do you even know geography? Like what the fuck are you even arguing right now? Even when you try to cherry pick, you're still obviously wrong as fuck, just shut up already.

You're clearly a shill and your "not for a decent price" attempt at an argument doesn't hold water. You literally have not one solid argument against a secure border wall.

Again, it would provide thousands of new jobs even if it did cost a good amount it would be worth it. We did the same exact thing to pull ourselves out after the Great Depression. All the unemployed young men were put to work on the highway system and that cost 1,000 times more than a fucking border wall.
You need to read a goddamn history book and quit shilling for your pro-illegal immigration slave drivers.

kek
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>>708265814
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What the fuck did you just fucking say about me, you little bitch? I’ll have you know I graduated top of my class in the Navy Seals, and I’ve been involved in numerous secret raids on Al-Quaeda, and I have over 300 confirmed kills. I am trained in gorilla warfare and I’m the top sniper in the entire US armed forces. You are nothing to me but just another target. I will wipe you the fuck out with precision the likes of which has never been seen before on this Earth, mark my fucking words. You think you can get away with saying that shit to me over the Internet? Think again, fucker. As we speak I am contacting my secret network of spies across the USA and your IP is being traced right now so you better prepare for the storm, maggot. The storm that wipes out the pathetic little thing you call your life. You’re fucking dead, kid. I can be anywhere, anytime, and I can kill you in over seven hundred ways, and that’s just with my bare hands. Not only am I extensively trained in unarmed combat, but I have access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps and I will use it to its full extent to wipe your miserable ass off the face of the continent, you little shit. If only you could have known what unholy retribution your little “clever” comment was about to bring down upon you, maybe you would have held your fucking tongue. But you couldn’t, you didn’t, and now you’re paying the price, you goddamn idiot. I will shit fury all over you and you will drown in it. You’re fucking dead, kiddo
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Most people accept that immigration is by and large good for the economy.
Is the main reason non-Liberals oppose it due to a concern about national identity?
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>>708266446
bernie is retarded, and a fucking sellout. He has no concept of economics. his supporters are a bunch of idiotic heads in the clouds idealists. Also, USA doesnt give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks we should do.
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>>708266472
instant aggression from the muslim
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>>708266083
My folks, all they do is work and go home. They pay bills and taxes and that's it, though I don't won't argue with the point that there are Mexicans who take full advantage
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>>708266605
To be fair I don't think Trump does either.
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>>708266626
you sure showed me, now why don't you show me republicans having wives as property and throwing gays off buildings.
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>>708266400
>conservative posting a fake quote about conservatives being more honest

Wow... How wonderfully ironic. Indeed, it's emblematic of the hardcore projection about their own dishonesty on the right.
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>>708266083
>wanting to start their own businesses
A good thing

>wanting health care benefits

Which they don't get

>DON'T pay state and income taxes

It depends, many do.

>property taxes

Only if they're homeless

>don't pay INTO all the programs that are designed for legal citizens but they expect to benefit from them

Again, often untrue. Many contribute significant tax revenue and are ineligible for benefits they are paying into.
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>>708266001
Again, you're being willfully stupid and trying to throw outrageous numbers out to try to pad your failed argument.

Why the fuck would you need 4 people per mile? Like where did you even get that from? You can see further than 1 mile on a clear day without binoculars and you're acting like ground sensors and technology aren't a fucking thing.

Like how far do you have to extend disbelief to make your argument seem even the least bit logical?
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>>708266676
I would think someone who runs multiple multinational corporations would understand them better then a man who was jobless untill 40
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>>708264447
>Immigration is good for the economy
... when the destination country has now elfare programs. In that case, immigration makes economy sucks.
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>>708266529
Why would liberals care? It's not as if this turd is the first Uncle Tom we've ever seen on the Right.
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>>708251534
Better than authoritarians
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>>708266859
Well, immigrants, in the UK at least, put more into the economy through taxes than they take from benefits.
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>>708266049
inconvenient truth that liberals ignore.
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>>708266795
well if you see someone more than a mile away how do you get to them? Or are you going to buy every team a car? And how does one person working the shift stop 50 mexicans, you need even more people to have an effect. Gotta buy them weapons and equipment too.
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>>708266718
just go to pol, its what they dream about.
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>>708266990
>implying you guys would not lynch the gays if you had the chance
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>>708251534
Cucks
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>>708266497
>what do you call the Mediterranean Sea?

Literally (and I know I'm using it right this time) on the other side of the country from the west bank barrier.

And you accuse me of not knowing Geography. Then follow up historic economics.
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>USA doesnt give a fuck what the rest of the world thinks we should do.

Nobody said you should do anything.

>bernie is retarded, and a fucking sellout. He has no concept of economics. his supporters are a bunch of idiotic heads in the clouds idealists.

That are a bunch of arguments right here
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>>708267059
little brother is literally gay so no i wouldnt
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>>708253015

>that feel when you find actual retards.
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>>708253247

we need to find that whores address and burn her lawn.
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So, we all agree liberalism>conservatism, yeah?
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>>708266975
If your statement is true, the British would not have voted for brexit.
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>>708253247

we need to find that whores address and burn her lawn, along with any and all plants.
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>>708252903
underrated, needs less tissue though
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>>708266810
>Red skull not being evil
They probably had Captain America show up and beat their asses and talk about muh diversity didn't they. I bet half of those guys ended up agreeing and high fiving Cap over it.

Any shot you've got a link to a page I can read that?
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>>708253337

we need to peal her skin off slowly.
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>>708267436
That's a fact. It would be dishonest of me to say it wasn't.
People voted for Brexit due to concerns about immigration, which I find misguided.
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>>708252838
Critical theory is being taught in various schools today. It is to criticize the dominant culture in the interest of tearing down a society in the name of communism. It's interesting stuff - totally stupid and baseless, but interesting nonetheless.
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>>708267657
just look at the rest of europe, brexit was the correct choice
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>>708264447
Yeah and terrible for workers. The only reason it's good for the economy is it lets companies pay shit wages to workers and keep more profits in their pockets. In the late 1990's I made over $20 dollars an hour framing as my high school job. Framers now earn around $15 an hour because of all the beaners driving wages down. Given inflation it's about half of what it was when I did it.
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>>708258384

>hail to the chief
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>>708267906
No, it wasn't. Our economy is going down the shithouse.
Even the people who voted for Brexit have agreed that leaving the single market in order to stop immigration is retarded.
BOTH of which are good for the economy. No wonder we're a complete fucking laughing stock. I'm embarrassed.
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>>708253174
This is the face of ballsy satire fronted as truth. She is a /b/tard (even if she isn't, she is one at heart) without regard for her own safety. Bless this woman and think well of her, please.
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>>708267941
> blames the people in the bottom when the rich has all their money
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>>708267941
That's wrong actually. They actually create more jobs than they take, most of which go to the working class. I'm sorry to hear about what happened to the framing business. There have been benefits in other industries which counteract it though.
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>>708253247
We need to find that whores address and burn her skin then leave her on her back lawn with lots of grass between her fat bacon-smelling ass and her phone to call for the amber lamps. Maybe leave a note like "DO YOU WANT TO PLAY A GAME, GRASS KILLER?"
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>>708254592
Liberals now are about shutting down liberal ideas and free speech. They're more fascist than conservatives

Liberals are not about freedom
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>>708266083
Yeah and going back to starting businesses. I know someone who came to US, got all his papers, social, all that legal shit, got a business license amd now runs his own landscaping company. I've went and worked with him, and still do sometimes on my days off. We go to all the nice white people neighborhoods, and they love him. Mid job, spome old folk will walk up to us and ask us to work on their house as well, so he's doing very well with his business. What I'm getting now, is that I find it interesting how these secluded, nice, upper class neighborhood home owners aren't afraid of us, but walking around downtown, younger white go out of their way to cross the street, or just not look at me, or they act like they're on their phone or whatever. Maybe one of the problems is that nice white people houses are hidden from everything, which probably generates people with similar mentalities to your's. That mad conservative scaredy cat mindset of the white neighborhood raised man
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>>708266373
I get where your coming from and our goals align, but I actually think that giving 12 to 15 an hour to people without it being warranted, hurts rather than helps. Most small businesses can't compete at that labor price vs corporations who can. Thus killing the small businesses chance at upward mobility and actually competing with corporations. The affect being that the income gap increases and more jobs become corporate and thus a shrinking of the middle class (who own most of the small businesses in the US).

I want to increase the poor's purchasing power too, but I think the solution is a more growth based economy which forces corporations and small businesses to compete for the labor force and thus driving up wages.
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>>708261474

Texas is going to end up saving america from its self.
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>>708264593
why even stop there?
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>>708267436
needs more labels
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>>708264062
>medieval defence technique is the only way to secure borders.
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>>708267255
ah ok

sorry for accusing you of that
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>>708268612
You know, staying indoors and watching the news type folk
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>>708266400
There is no evidence that Teddy made that quote. Since he was a republican, albeit a progressive one, I doubt he said that.
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>>708266446
Bernie was not a "soft mid-left social democrat - unless you don't know anything about history. It only takes a few minutes study from his website "on the issues", and compare them to Che Guevara and Fidel Castro, and Carl Marx to see he mirrors the communist ideology. He is communism incarnate - it's why Hillary had to shut his ass down - because all the stupid kids were falling for it hook line and sinker.
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>>708265421

For just an engineers estimated price of 17 billion in materials for this wall, you could hire 3 shifts of 2000 people each, all only responsible for one linear mile stretch of border (meaning if something went down in one spot, backup is only a few minutes away)
pay them 15$ an hour, provide them with a 50,000$ vehicle every other year, and sustain that for 50 years.

OR, you could spend all of that money on a wall, pay additional money for the transportation and labor, then still have to pay for repairs, maintenance, vehicles, and personnel.

Immigration is at net zero, a wall also keeps illegals from leaving, and does nothing to stop individuals who come from canada, fly in and overstay their visa, or arrive via other means. Its fucking stupid.
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>>708268612
I don't think it's that. Most people in strange surroundings (for them), are instinctively more cautious. Regardless of race.
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>>708268284
No they don't. They pile up 20 to a house filling the entire place with bunk beds. They work for half what a normal person needs since they pay 1/20th of the rent a normal person does. Then they send most of their money home via wire transfer and when they have sucked all the life out of the local economy they return to Mexico and live it up. It's not just framing it's pretty much all construction: framing, sheet rocking, plumbing, foundation work, roofing etc. it's hard to find good paying work and live a decent life when some cockroach who lives on crumbs is always willing to work for less. We should get rid of as many of them as we can and heavily tax all wire transfers out of the country.
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>>708268689
>Texas
A lot of people don't realize there are a lot of states with much less gun control than Texas has. Texas is secretly a shit. They like that cowboy image but every other cop is apparently a grabber in waiting and the big cities are turning deep blue courtesy of commiefornians fleeing there in droves.
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