So when will you leftist retards realize gun control does not work?
>>707900230
>So when will you leftist retards realize gun control does not work?
If the guy on the left didn't have a gun then the guy on the right wouldn't have to worry.
But then gun nuts would have to confront people like men, and you whiny bitches can't have that.
>>707900457
criminals don't follow laws
>Calling a man with a gun a pussy
yeah go out like a man with a bullet in your head.
>>707900457
>>707900230
More guns = less crime
>Murrica logic
>>707900976
no cars=no deaths
no drugs= no drug crimes
>>707900606
>yeah go out like a man with a bullet in your head.
Exactly my point. Guns turn pussies into tough guys. Gun nuts can't stand the thought of a world without guns because then they might have to fight like a man... and get slapped around like a bitch.
In countries with real gun laws there are not many gun related crimes. So honest people don't need guns.
But then gun nuts wouldn't have that straw man to hide behind and they'd have to admit that the gun on their hip is because they are unrepentant cowards.
>>707901031
>guns have nothing to do with crime
>>707900457
If people can produce endless amounts of drugs in the US and ship them over the border, one which the democrats seems so enthralled with not securing, than please tell me why people won't produce and import guns illegally?
Guess what, most people who use guns in crimes legally shouldn't have guns. Do you think they'll care if it's more illegal for them to have guns?
All gun control does is punish law abiding citizens and neglects to answer the bigger larger problem. Most gun deaths are due to suicide and gang violence. One is because our fucked up mental health and normal health system, and the other is because the war on drugs is a fuck up. Fix those, instead of pretending like banning guns will end crime.
>>707901123
fighting is for cowards
real men can talk out of fighting
also like where? gun control is a failure in the u.s
>>707900457
How do you get the guns from the criminals in the first place?
>>707901123
you fucking idiot
a criminal doesnt care if the gun is legal or not.
and a citizen must have the right to own a gun, otherwise he cant defend himself.
>>707901601
Adam Lanza sure needed all that firepower to defend himself from those vicious 6 year olds
>>707900230
Maybe it wouldn't work in the USA due to the size of your country and the fact that you share a border with a third world hellhole. But if you look at other countries with strict gun control laws the evidence suggests that it definitely does work.
>>707901123
A gun is called an equalizer for a reason. It puts a person on equal footing with someone who would mean to do them harm, regardless of their size. Unless you think your grandma can handle a larger person that means to do her harm, with her fist.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/05/08/great-granny-80-got-gun-kills-home-intruder-who-attacked-husband.html
>>707901775
>third world hellhole
Look I hate Canada as much as the next guy but lets not call them names, please.
Have you ever thought that the only reason that gun control wouldn't work in the US is because you're obsessed with them. Every country has been better off with gun control laws but you just refuse to let them go. It's easy to name shootings in the US but what about Australia? The UK? Gun control doesn't work on rednecks. Also gun control isn't restricting all guns it's restricting what ones you're allowed and when you can have them.
>>707900230
i wonder .... how many us fcks get killed with their own gun?
>>707901123
>In countries with real gun laws there are not many gun related crimes.
you mean
>in countries with no fucking niggers, mexicans and gangs there are not many gun related crimes.
by the way: in switzerland have more people guns than in america (per ratio) and they dont have gun crimes. how does that come? why dont you brag about your real problems, the lack of education in your system. instead you keep bashing what the media tells you. but hey a spineless coward like cant do otherwise
>>707901752
oh yes the gun control laws sure fixed that
>>707901931
australia gun crime went up and still has shootings
shitty when you got mexico and a bunch of gangs here
>>707901752
Adam Lanza is insane. Most gun owners are not. Real stupid argument.
>>707901752
>without legal guns there wont be such cruel things like schoolshootings and shit
a man who is criminal enough to kill children is also criminal enough to get an illegal gun
>>707902045
legally obtained weapons for illegal purposes does not mean the system works
>lalalalalala I don't believe in math or statistics, muh gunz muh gunz
>nonononononono read my logical fallacy that has nothing to do with this topic but somehow I use it to defend my position
democracy is a mistake
>>707900230
Yo dickwad...
>>707901123
^ this guy saved me some typing. We can both go back to fucking your sister now.
>>707902196
adam lanza stole them from his mother
>>707900230
How about you compare yourself with the rest of the world and realize what a shit country full of maniacs you have. The US is one of the worst western countries to live in.
Just curious. What about us rural folk? I do need guns because of predators and pest control.
>>707902196
It's not a system. It is a right. You would want to take my rights away, because of the anomalous few.
>>707902008
That second point just isn't true lol.
Gun crime in Australia had gone down drastically and there hasn't been a single mass shooting since the improvement of gun control.
At least state some sources if you're going to make bullshit claims everyone knows aren't true.
>>707902689
Don't go and live in the middle of fucking nowhere you dumb mother fucker.
If you need a gun to protect yourself from a bear or some shit, maybe you shouldn't go and build a house right next to it's fucking cave.
>criminals don't care if a gun is legal or not
You dense fucks making there be higher restrictions on purchasing guns makes it more difficult to acquire them, if you want to buy one illegally it'll cost you a pretty pretty penny
>>707902481
Didn't make him right. Doesn't make you right.
And I doubt you've fucked anything in your life because you don't have a pair.
>>707902705
Well in the USA you dont have a few you have a fuckload of 'em.
>>707902767
actually their has been mass shootings
and plenty of gun crimes
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
inb4 wikipedia
How do the toothless, inbred, murrican hick gun nuts see Americas gun problem?
Pic extremely related. Which is kinda fitting for these 'people'.
>>707902949
You're the dense fuck if you think that's preferable to having guns in non criminals hands.
>every retarded school shooter can get a gun
>police in constant worry to be shot on sight
>everything else then guns are the problem
Kys >>>/pol/
>>707902767
But they do have more rapes in Australia. Should we take their dicks away too or has the government already done that?
>>707901973
Yeah switzerland, lots of guns, but private citizens can't own ammo, and everyone goes through basic training and learn proper respect for gun.
Aussie here. I rememer our last mass shooting 20 years ago. But then we brought in gun control and hey! It stopped happening! And you can't say we dont have gangs or blacks because shit son, we do. If they ever have guns, which is rare, they mostly use them on each other.
>>707902959
Such a good argument. You're the reason why democracy is failing right now. Too man low IQ conservative people thinking their 'beliefs' are as good as facts
>>707900230
leftist here
i am pro gun
>>707902949
>If I make it harder to get guns legally it will make guns harder to get illegally
>Criminals will stop trying to buy a gun when it costs money
Congratulations, you're a grade-A dense motherfucker
>>707903062
If guns bother you so much, then amend the constitution. Assuming you are actually an American citizen and understand our laws.
>>707903416
wrong you still have mass shootings
>>707903110
yeah now compare that with the list of massacres in the US
>>707900230
>So when will you leftist retards realize gun control does not work?
Works fine in my country. Maybe your country is just full of idiots.
>>707900457
It does work, see other countries.
Why do American's always do this; suggest things that already exist, pretend like they are new, argue that they are too crazy to ever in any way.
It's reminiscent of Apple, expect it's usually decades behind.
>>707903577
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia
no you're wrong read the fucking list. nothing compares to the mass shootings you have in the US
>>707903446
It's not beliefs. It's the constitution. The Bill of Rights. I can give you a lesson on American civics if you have he grey matter to handle it. Somehow I don't think you do.
>>707903110
>biggest death toll to shooting deaths since gun control is 4, guy who shot his neighbours.
Your source is proving the other guy's point, you know that, right?
>>707903719
What country are you from?
>>707903779
first it was no we have none and now its no its not as bad as the u.s
shifting the goalposts their buddy
"Gun violence is not a problem until I say so!"
>murrica logic
>>707904050
>>707903566
our constitution was written in 1787. its a thing of the past that needs to be re-written because it doesnt apply to the modern world
>>707904132
>>707901973
>>in countries with no fucking niggers, mexicans and gangs there are not many gun related crimes.
No, he means...
>In countries with real gun laws there are not many gun related crimes.
It's exactly what he said. Research it outside your NRA fiddled graphs and phoney statistics you simple minded little fucklord. It's not hard. We have a thing called motherfucking google these days.
>>707903623
>all gun nuts want all their guns to prevent someone from taking over America
>everyone else has the 'rational' fear that most people who want a gun are bald-headed psychos who want a free ticked to kill as many people as they likes
What is straw-man as fuck
>>707904007
I said read the fucking list. The last actual mass shooting was in 2002. 0 this year, 0 last year, some massacre in 2014..
>>707904132
>>707904050
piggybacking
>it's my right, guaranteed by the constitution!
Yes, owning firearms is legal under a two hundred and forty year old document. Mind you, if we're just taking the Bill of Rights, it's also legal to own slaves.
>How will I defend myself when the government comes for me?
You won't. Fact is, that AR-15 you love so much? Won't do a fucking thing against a Predator drone, a M-1 Abrams, even a handful of armed soldiers. You cannot defend against that kind of military, our kind of military, with what's legal to own.
>Criminals won't adhere to gun control laws.
No, they won't. Which simply means we would be able to arrest them before they commit a crime. Imagine if we could stop mass shootings before they happen.....
>'Murica!
Fuck you. The arguments for not enacting gun control laws in America are a huge, malignant mass of cherry-picked, half-assed bullshit that adds up to the largest fallacy of our time. And that's coming from an American.
>>707904383
>with gun controls criminals would still have guns yadayada
Strawman as fuck too. In my country there are literally no gun related crimes.
>>707903719
Because our history is of overthrowing a government and our founders wanted us to be able to overthrow our government if it ever got too tyrannical. The notion that you believe that individually people are evil shits but collectively they are somehow good is laughable.
>>707904146
So you don't like the constitution? Other than the second amendment, what would you change?
>>707904557
To clarify, I don't want guns to be fully criminalized. I just want some amount of government control over who the fuck can buy one, and what the fuck we can buy.
>>707900230
works fine in every civilized country....
>>707903152
We have a nigger problem eurocunt
>>707904558
And which country is that? If you want to talk shit about my country, than at least you can give me yours.
>>707904619
That argument is a fallacy; the US government/military, at this point, virtually cannot be overthrown. They're too big. Their roots go too deep.
>>707904515
You should see the US list, it's got hundreds this decade.
The police murders are a funny one. They happen daily, but the common defence is something like "but a dodgy cop shot someone in the UK once 9 years ago". If your place had it's name copied to a small town in the US, looking at google news is a whole bunch of crazy.
>>707904814
Germany
>>707904718
You can't. It is unconstitutional. The liberals won't even touch that.
>>707904939
I know, and that's precisely why. Gun ownership is, as it stands, a right; it should not, however, be a limitless one.
>>707901123
Actually, the opposite is true.
In Switzerland, which has a 25% gun ownership rate and less restrictive gun laws, gun violence is not very common. Compare that to Mexico's who have VERY strict gun laws, and has multiple of the most dangerous cities in the world.
Sorry to say, but it doesn't work the way you think it works.
>>707905204
Okay, straw-man as fuck.
Switzerland and Mexico have a great deal of differences beyond their gun laws. Comparing the two on that subject is an utter fallacy.
>>707904898
Why on earth are you trashing my country then? You get to enjoy being defended by our military. You also don't have the extremely diverse ethnic makeup of my country, which leads to a lot of our crimes. Oh wait, that's changing now I guess.
>>707901931
How does it feel to be stupid?
gun control works, it is just very unlikely to work in america unless there is a massive cultural shift that makes the average citizen not want to own them.
there's plenty of criminals and gang members in toronto that have guns. criminals will always have guns. criminals are victimized at a much higher rate than the average citizen, so unless you are a criminal too, you actually don't have much to worry about.
in addition to this, guns separate the user from the situation because it's a much less intimate way of killing someone. it's a hell of a lot easier to pull a trigger than it is to stab, suffocate, poison or beat someone to death. a good example is bar fights. normally someone loses a tooth, but add a gun into the situation and it's way more likely that someone will lose their life. same can be said about domestic disputes.
that being said, many americans are expecting to have to fight off their government some day. i don't think this notion carries any real weight because all it takes is a handful of dudes to send out drones and fuck up everyone who opposes them. if shit truly hits the fan, the guns won't help.
tl;dr can work, not in current america. keep killing each other though, makes for good news.
>>707900230
What do you mean it doesn't work. Your the only "civilised" country with free access to guns in pretty sure.
Your basically Somalia.
>>707904619
Yet you're all a bunch of pussies and do nothing about it. Every election Americans race in about civil wars if X person is elected but then you pussy out.
When Obama was running for president all I saw was rednecks saying they would never have a black man for president and "we will take back our country if he's elected" and yet here we are. 8 years later and they did nothing about it.
Face it you're all a bunch of pussies who use your guns to compensate for having small dicks and being pussies. You will never use your guns against the government.
>>707905204
No you're false. The swiss government issues a gun to men for their mandatory military service, but the gun is taken home under carefully controlled conditions without ammunition
>>707905126
All rights are limitless as long as you hurt no one else. Those rights weren't given to us by man or government. Read the Declaration of Independence again.
>>707904837
Because when civilians fight back against the military in droves there's no way of convincing the military to start a coup. Right?
>>707905204
>compares one of the wealthiest nations on the planet with a 3rd world nation
>>thinks it means something
>>707902256
"You were a mistake"
-mom
>>707905204
2 countries.
Look at the stats of the majority of western countries and see you're very wrong.
>>707904557
Somebody doesn't understand asymmetric warfare.
>criminals still get guns even if they are illegal
>the argument above is strawman
A straw-man is where you mis-represent someone's argument to make it easier to attack. Saying criminals will do illegal things is not straw-man because they will do illegal things. Saying that the firearms community is filled with bald-headed creepy looking gun-toting psychopaths that want to kill as many, if not more people, than Adam Lanza, is straw-man.
Also
>Literally no gun-related crimes
where the fuck do you live? Antarctica?
Guns just lead to the escalation of every little fucking thing that happens into a potentially fatal situation
Look at the middle east... look at how lots of people having access to guns goes... case closed
>>707905571
>>707905325
dont bother. what he said is wrong you can all look that "fact" up online
>>707905487
>All rights are limitless as long as you hurt no one else
True. What's the point of having an assault weapon if it's not to hurt someone.
>Those rights weren't given to us by man or government. Read the Declaration of Independence again.
Separation of Church and State. If you want rights truly dictated by your god, go live in a theocracy.
>>707905632
>written at a time when guns were the primary method of war
>not realizing if the government wanted to they could send waves upon waves of drones after you
mfw when eurocucks don't want us to have guns because they can't have them
>>707905488
What'll that result in? A military junta? So much better.
>>707905707
fuck, this was in reply to >>707904558
>>707905398
tfw it's been 3 minutes and you don't have any (You)s
i'll just (you) myself I guess.
Nobody has told me an explanation as to why taking guns away from law abiding people will result in criminals having less guns.
nobody ever
like really .. how do these gun debates even work?
>>707905338
LMAO you don't defend our country.
The US is what's wrong with the world, how can you even manage to run a place like that?
>education system is expensive and garbage
>no healthcare
>exorbitant crimerate and retarded gun nuts
Also
>muh country
Say a person got a gun illegally
And you don't have a gun to defend yourself because no gun
And the person with the illegal gun has it pointed at you
What the fuck are you supposed to do?
>>707905488
Because you'd take control of the government without already having the military's backing...
>>707905632
Oh but I do. And I understand that the asymmetrical warfare required to not only fight but win a war against the US military would require a lot more than what's currently legal to own.
>>707902898
Fine. Guess I shouldn't grow any crops then either. Grow the shit yourselves.
>>707905632
And that someone would be the United States, otherwise you wouldn't have tried to occupy Iraq.
/so I don't really trust your expertise on this issue
>>707900230
When the right realize that it's the 21st century and laws created in 1776 may not be suitable in their original form for modern society and in the future.
>>707900230
Found the hillary supporter. Kill yourself fam
Works in europe
>>707906025
1787, but this. Fucking this.
>>707905882
Even if you had a gun could you pull yours out and fire it before the other person can? Most likely not unless they're a retard or something
leftism is a religion
like jobies witnesses they never cease a preachin
>>707904557
>that AR-15 you love so much? Won't do a fucking thing against a Predator drone, a M-1 Abrams, even a handful of armed soldiers. You cannot defend against that kind of military, our kind of military, with what's legal to own.
this is exactly why america won the korean war, vietnam war, iraq war, and afganistan war
oh wait
>>707903719
Like free health care or social welfare.
>>707905754
>What's the point of having an assault weapon if not to hurt someone
Nigger have you even heard of Target Shooting? Of competition shooting? Of Collecting? Of Hunting? Are you one of those fuckers that thinks guns only exist to kill other human beings?
>>707906170
That's bullshit, though. She should've been convicted. Lethal self defense only applies when you or another are under threat of serious bodily harm.
There is no point to argue with amerifats, they are blinded by their retardation
>>707906147
topkek leftism is just a way of meaning higher IQ than peasants. you really should listen to us because we get to understand things you cannot even start to fathom with your stupid hick brain
>>707905837
Because you shouldn't need to be told unless you're retarded.
Less guns in circulation means less guns for criminals. Unless you think guns grow on tree's or the tooth fairy leaves then under your pillow.
The system we have in Australia is basically what the US should adopt.
You can buy guns but you need a licence and all guns are registered with the government. And all guns must be kept in a gun safe when not used either for hunting or at gun clubs.
Whereas at the moment you have guns just floating around all over the place where anyone can steal them and they can legally be privately sold without a background check which is why it's so easy for criminals to get guns.
>>707905837
because that's a stupid argument. if a criminal wants a gun, he will get a gun. it will certainly reduce it because many guns are stolen from law abiding citizens, and many law abiding citizens become criminals by purchasing guns and then selling them on the black market. that being said, it will not be a notable reduction.
see:
>>707905398
>>707901752
Sandy Hook was funny, faggot
>>707901775
I live in the UK and we have strict gun laws but there was a shooting near me recently which shows gun laws dont really matter. Criminals don't follow the law.
>>707906277
Or a working education system that doesn't make you a debt slave
>>707906170
This was funnier when I thought it was real
>>707906307
well it certainly is their primary purpose
>>707905325
>That awkward moment when you realize that laws are only as effective as they are enforced.
>That awkward moment when you realize that using laws to change culture is a bad idea
>That moment when you realize that many "rights" progressively get smaller as government gets bigger
>Given many of your guys societies run on autopilot by limiting your choices and you don't have to take as much responsibility for your terrible available life choices it's not wonder you fancy the idea of people taking away more choice to prevent people from screwing it up more. Basically you coddle the hell out of each other while and police the shit out of each other and don't even know it. Which is ironic because our police aren't exactly the best either.
>>707906232
because the afghanis, koreans, vietnamese and iraqis all had access to superior weaponry than the americans right?
is that what you're trying to posit?
>>707900230
We have rather strict gun laws,and have only had 1 mass shooting the last 50 years. Smaller population, but if we were to account for that we would have 3 mass shootings yearly..
And the one mass shooting was the right wing extremist you all love to post pictures of. He tried to buy an automatic weapon and failed, even when traveling abroad to get an AK. So even more people could have been killed on Utøya if our gun laws were more relaxed.
We don't have a total gun ban, but guns are limited to hunting and competitions, not home protection. Still crime is lower in the US. And even in the immigrant heavy (muslims) capitol the crime has gone down in immigrant areas of the city.
>>707906232
Because in all those wars the enemy was only using assault rifles, most being semi auto.
Oh wait.
>>707906307
>Target shooting
Yes, I used to make a hobby of it, and I did fine with my bolt action .308
>Competition Shooting
Again, no need for an assault weapon
>Collecting
Such a fucking stupid practice.
>Hunting
If you need an assault weapon to kill a deer, you're doing it wrong.
All I'm saying is that it shouldn't be legal to own a semi-automatic weapon with a magazine in excess if six shots. Low-magazine semi-auto and bolt/lever action weapons are fine.
>>707906575
no. im saying simple small arms used in gorilla warfare can indeed fight off an advanced military
>inb4 gorilla
>>707906025
Your anonymous on a website when because you couldn't say this on social media and not get crucified. You can only say this on 4 chan because it is in the United States Jurisdiction and applies to freedom of speech. The Second Amendment is there to support the first.
>>707906677
>>707906395
1 shooting shows gun laws don't work?
Nice logic faggot.
>>707904799
boohoo, we have a muslim problem, still gun crime is lower here. And don't forget that you guys brought the niggers to murrica.
>>707906732
>shouldn't be
But it is.
Stay mad.
>>707900230
Just as soon as retards on the right realize that everyone on the left isnt after their guns. Legislation that makes it harder for CRIMINALS to get guns such as expanded background checks and harsh penalties for gun dealers or individuals who knowingly sell to criminals is as far as I want... and how any reasonable person could disagree with either of those positions is silly.
>>707906748
yes, a populace can use small arms to fight off an advanced military. overthrow that military? I think not.
>>707906780
yes, america created free speech. what's the magna carta?
you uneducated fuck.
>>707906326
Not necessarily. My state allows one to use lethal force defend property.
>>707906677
mosin nagant in afganistan
>>707906871
>I know I'm wrong, so I'll point out that things aren't the way my opponent doesn't want them to be! Ahahaha!
Fuck off.
>>707906748
if america really wanted to, they could've laid absolute waste to any of the countries listed in any of the wars listed.
>>707905760
Why aren't they sending waves of waves after ISIS?
Why isn't it working?
Modern Militarys have still proven to be ineffective against guerilla tactics.
Google: Girandoni Air rifle
Or: Girandoni air rifle lewis and clark
and then tell me they didnt know about high capacity magazines. Fucking retard leftist libtard gun fearing pussies. Fuck we are fucked. Fucking hate leftwing libtard fucks.. Girandoni Air Rifle was banned by- oh wait- it never ever ever ever ever ever was banned. Huh. Seriously. Look it up and the year it was invented. Pic related.
>>707907039
>I'll point out that things aren't the way my opponent doesn't want them to be
You're a special kind of stupid.
Mad too.
>>707901123
Your solution being what though? You won't shut pandora's box with respect to taking all guns out of circulation in the US, so your argument is mute.
>>707906911
moving goal posts
strawman
etc
>>707906827
One picture. Logic fail.
>>707903621
theres a larger population in the USA compared to australia so theres a higher chance of someone being more fucked up to commit a crime. and a hell of a difference in ethnic groups. abos are too fucking lazy sniffing petrol to be even a bit of concern. and shootings always happen in sydney and brisbane and surrounding areas.
>>707906362
>If you restrict the sale of legal guns it will reduce the number of illegal guns
>this argument again
so you're saying that if you reduce the amount of guns in the legal market it's going to have an effect on the guns in the illegal market (a market with no affiliation to the legal one) so much so that it's going to reduce illegal gun use?
I'm still curious as to how you fuckers come up with this shit
>>707907131
Yes, it has a high capacity magazine. Cool.
Can you fire at a rate higher than ten shots a minute? No.
Do you have to raise the barrel to re-chamber, thus having to re-aim? Yes.
Stop comparing the Girandoni Air Rifle to modern semi-auto weapons.
>>707907000
Logic fail.
>>707906677
So we agree? The American population should have easy access to full auto rifles
>>707907076
because it's not in their best interest to do so. it's expensive and time consuming. ISIS is a threat to the middle east, and a very minor threat to america.
do you really think ISIS is a big enough threat to throw that kind of money at? if so, you really need to reconsider.
>>707906732
We have pests here in NZ. Trust me you want a semi auto with a decent magazine. Imagine walking into 30 goats or 5 rabbits.
We have to have a license and background check for every fire arm though. The cops also visit your house to make sure you lock it up right. Don't think we have had a spree killing yet.
>>707907340
theres plenty more pics bruh
https://discord.gg/rCC2hPJ
JOIN FOR SAUCE
>>707900457
>terrorists have no problem getting explosive vests and full-auto AKs in France
>gun laws work guise!
kill yourself
>>707906780
Nig I said in original form. That doesn't mean striking down the second amendment in its entirety. Laws need to keep up with changes in our society. This whole idea of gun laws don't do any good is ridiculous. Gun laws can and do work, and you know why? Regardless if we have people killing each other on the street today, how many lives do you think have been saved if it weren't for strict background checks? Those figures are never talked about because we focus on the opposite.
>>707907340
4 pics bruh, plenty more
The less you know about guns and gun ownership the more you're for gun control.
>>707907340
5 pics bruh plenty more
>>707907323
Where do you think illegal guns come from? People pull them from there ass?
Majority of illegal guns are stolen or bought privately.
If there are less guns to steal and you can no longer buy privately without a licence then of course there will be less illegal guns.
Wow you Americans are more stupid then I thought.
>>707907331
Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. bruh. You obviously haven't looked it up.
Dude watch a video of someone shooting it. It shoots pretty fucking quick for a 1785 gun.
Since you obviously lack the drive to look up a video to have a EDUCATED rebuttal... I shall save you the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfsKibQ480w
Yes, you can fire at a rate higher than 10 a minute. 20 shot tubular magazine, numb nuts. 21 if you have a round chambered.
You raise the barrel momentarily. It's not like you have to hold it up for a fucking minute LOL.
Then stop telling me that they didn't mean high cap mags and assault rifles. 4 man or even 2 man team of Girandoni Wielders could've FUCKED some shit up and you are a idiot if you think otherwise.
>>707907411
It is to a lot of our 'allies'
All i'm saying is guerilla tactics still work, and anybody who doesn't get that has very little understanding of the kind of war that would be fought modern day.
>>707907361
Why you would never use them anyway. Every election Americans say they will fight and then you all pussy out.
>>707907187
6 pics bruh plenty more
>>707907710
Cont
Also the caliber of the Girandoni was massive compared to modern day fire arm bullets. Gtfoh.
>>707907458
Of course there is. But that doesn't change the fact they have rpg's, mortars 12.7 machine guns are plenty of other high powered weapons.
>>707907730
I'm not saying they don't work. They work for the way war is fought. I'm saying if your military truly came out swinging, all the guns in your nation will do nothing.
>>707906232
>America won the Vietnam war
>>707907903
Military takes a pledge to uphold the constitution and to protect from enemies that are foreign and domestic. Attacking the 2nd amendment means that the military (mostly pro gun loving fuckers) would HAVE to resist as the government would become tyrannical at that point. Your logic is flawed.
>>707904557
>Fact is, that AR-15 you love so much? Won't do a fucking thing against a Predator drone, a M-1 Abrams, even a handful of armed soldiers. You cannot defend against that kind of military, our kind of military, with what's legal to own.
THIS SO MUCH
I'm pro-2nd amendment, but jesus fucking christ the majority of pro-gun folks have watched Red Dawn a few times too many.
>>707904898
Ah. Germany. I understand taking away the guns of citizens worked out really well for the Jews.
Helped the Stazi for years as well, in the Eastern half, keeping the citizens in line. Yep, government monopoly on weapons sure works out great!
>>707900457
Go fight a chicago nigger like a man. Have someone record it and post it to youtube posthumously.
>>707907649
How did that work for France?
Euro's love to ignore facts, like the fact that the violent crime rate in most countries that went into hard gun control sky rocketed after it went in to affect, or that the UK has a higher violent crime rate than the US does, or that the largest mass shooting happened in a country with strict gun laws.
People are going to kill each other regardless of how difficult it is. They will smuggle in guns, they will make bombs, and they will kill each other.
How you naive fucks don't see that is beyond me.
>>707907774
>You guys use guns too much
>You guys dont use guns enough
shoot yourself
>>707904558
but how will gun control keep weapons out of the hands of criminals?
>>707907903
Thats not true at all then. The military is civilian volunteers, the government doesn't want to slaughter it's civilians, and rebellions are ALWAYS a fight for popular image. We wouldn't win with brute force, but you could harass and cause a big enough issue that the government collapses under it's inability to squash an enemy force hiding among it's people.
>>707907988
>>707907131
Why do retards trot this gun out in every argument about muskets?
First, while the gun was advanced for its day, the gun was rare. Second, filling its air cartridges took 1500 hand pumps. Its effective range was worse than muskets, due to the level of manufacturing technology and the primitive leather gasket, the guns were prone to failure and leaking.
>>707906864
well thats changing and you have a lot more explosions happening too. you have an IED problem in eurofag land
>>707908195
No I'm just pointing out the stupidity behind you guys. "Needing" guns.
You say it's to fight your govt. every election you threaten to attack them but never ever do.
Meaning you don't need them because you will never use them.
>>707908169
1 example from a country that is actually under threat from isis. Nice try.
http://i.imgur.com/1ZTRkE7.mp4
>>707907638
>mfw fedora kebab
>>707902182
do you know how much an illegal gun costs, fucking exorbitant if you ask me, no way any old bad guy is going to get one
>>707908597
Greece? Turkey? Germany? The rest of middle Europe?
And that's not even to talk about Switzerland who has extremely low crime rates and the 3rd most guns per capita.
Regardless you didn't even attempt to debate my other point about violent crime, and the fact that it's not difficult to smuggle weapons.
Nice try at deflection bud.
>>707906362
*trees, not tree's
I'll let the rest slide. At least proofread before posting if you don't want to seem like an utter muppet.
>>707900230
the worst thing in this world is a Coward with a gun.
>>707900457
That's a great idea. We should make murder illegal too. If nobody can murder, then nobody will get murdered.
>>707906395
I also live in UK and had a shooting near me yesterday. Criminals dont follow laws.
>>707906170
Great that you changed the story to fit your narrative. She was convicted and sent to prison. This is a well known "what not to do" for CCP holders.
>>707906732
You have no idea what an assault weapon is.
>>707906326
I imagine that's why jury nullification is a thing.
>>707906362
Not a very good example, since Australia doesn't have a massive land border with cartel-landia. If we banned guns tomorrow, they'd still be coming in and getting to criminals as though nothing had happened, and we'd be giving them a gigantic source of revenue, since they'd be able to command even higher prices and larger volumes of sale.
>>707908291
>implying the military would hesitate to kill civilians
What is Kent State?
>implying that you're still a "civilian" the moment you take up arms against the government
kek
>implying a rebellion would be popular
>implying the government would lose
What is the Civil War?
>>707908066
Military has 1.1 million enlistees. It doesn't take a genius to pilot a drone. Do you think that every single enlistee would defect? Fuck no. There'd be thousands upon thousands of people left, standing by their government.
Here's an interesting read for you:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/2016/06/22/veterans-add-voices-to-gun-control-debate-after-orlando-attacks.html
This has all turned into hyperbole. No nation will turn on its civilians like that. That being said, if the majority of the nation wants you to put your guns away, they probably won't be to open to the idea of you shooting your fellow citizens because you want to go hunting with an assault rifle from time to time. At that point, you are a danger to the average man. Do you know what that makes you? An enemy of the state. That being said, they wouldn't wake up and take away your gun rights over night. The laws would progress slowly, and amendments to the constitution would be made. Anti-gun sentiment is growing every year; this shit is inevitable, friendo. Western society has been drifting further and further to the left for decades, even centuries now.
I made my point earlier in this thread; gun control can work, but not in present-day america.
>>707908291
see above
>>707907885
You do understand that many of those were captured weapons, right?
>>707908748
If you're going to mention random countries at least explain how they relate to gun control.
>>707906732
>semi-automatic weapon with a magazine in excess if six shots
>assault weapon
wew lad
>>707900230
You do realize with proper gun control your image would be reversed, right? The guy in the suit would still be able to buy a gun, while the straw sale that acquired the gun for the criminal would have been prevented.
>>707909354
What was the revolutionary war? Regardless that point is moot. We are talking about modern war.
And it doesn't matter if your a civilian, when enough people stop support a system, the system will break.
When enough bystanders get hassled, people stop supporting the system.
And then the military, a program with volunteer civilians, hear about their friends and families getting killed, you think they are just going to deal with it? We are talking mass desertions and defections.
Guerilla tactics work for a reason, because it is a game of public support, and once a rebellion has public support its either exterminate your civilians, or lay down arms and accept change.
>>707900230
but anon, it werked for hitler, mao and stalin
>>707909309
The cartels want guns themselves. While yes some would come back to the US the evidence shows the majority of trade is weapons going from the US to Mexico not the other way around.
And while we don't have Mexico right beside us we have one of the largest sea borders in the world to try to protect.
>>707909720
And /pol/ walks in.
>>707906170
...i'd still hit it
>>707903152
>Americas gun problem?
guns arent the problem
>>707908169
This argument is old as shit, its well documented that crime rates per capita are much the same, but gun related deaths are off the charts in the US. They are not linked.
>>707900457
2/5
appealing to primals.
try again anon, I think you can do better next time.
>>707909589
As far as what dipshit? Their stance on gun control? I did. Every country I listed, save for Switzerland, has excessively strict gun control laws and are experiencing massive violence issues. They are all also in Europe. The reason you see countries like Sweden and Denmark doing alright is because they have low populations and don't take a lot of immigrants. It really doesn't take a genius to work out how this shit works.
>>707909454
It's not inevitable. Gun laws have actually gotten more lenient and gun support is still over 50% amongst the general population. Learn your facts.
>>707910035
Well no shit gun deaths are different. But guess what? Gun control does not decrease crime or even homicide. Fucking moron.
>>707909545
Lol um no. Afghanistan has been at war from decades and has been supplied by numerous countries.
Iraq had tonnes of weapons stolen from the military.
Vietnam was was supplied by china.
Korea was supplied by china.
US civilians have no chance.
>>707909701
>the revolutionary war (where we collectively saw our enemies as foreign hostiles) = the civil war (where we often had to fight people next door in what many viewed on both sides as a war of ideologies)
>>707910297
You don't think anyone would arm US civilians in the case of a rebellion?
In every discussion on gun control I love the dichotomy the gun lobbyists seem to believe in. The idea that there are criminals, and then there are law abiding citizens, and the two shall never overlap. Criminals break whatever laws they like whenever they like, and law abiding citizens follow all laws at all times.
It's hilarious.
>>707910094
Massive violence issues? Statistically they have no more or less issues then the US.
And they are fighting ISIS. The US is just fighting amongst themselves.
>>707909641
Right wingers are stupid and think gun control means banning guns, something thay will never happen due to requiring a supermajority of the senate, house, and ratification by a overwhelming majority of the states to go through.
They also think the black market is an actual store criminals go to with an arsenal of untraceable weapons to choose from at reasonable prices.
>>707910369
The revolutionary war was a war by a bunch of militia using guerilla tactics against a overpowering enemy.
The civil war was a war between two groups of states, each with their own fighting forces, fighting as if they were two nations rather than one using guerilla tactics and the other trying to overpower and occupy.
You really don't know what your talking about.
>>707900230
If you want people to statistically be safer, gun control works just fine.
>>707909701
51% will subjugate the remaining 49%
with propaganda a decent percentage may actually think theyre in the top 50% when theyre in the bottom, resulting in possibilities of minorities (economically/class) subjugating majorities
>>707910381
>You don't think anyone would arm one of the most hated countries in the case of a rebellion?
ftfy
>>707910094
>implying changes in law always reflect the sentiment of your nation
>implying i ever said that the majority of people want to take away your guns
I'm not talking within the past 20 years. If you took a poll in the late 1700s, and repeated the poll every 50 years, do you think support for gun control will have trended up or down?
You will not see gun control like you see in Europe or Canada in your lifetime. It will, however, happen eventually if things keep on trending the way they are.
>>707910381
Nope. Who?
Maybe someone like Russia would just to further destabilise the situation. But you would have no real allies.
>>707910246
I'm a moron because anons argument is bullshit? how does that work?
I dont need a gun, never have, you like them, fine with me, just dont fake your arguments
>>707901309
bruh 70% of guns used in crime are gotten legally
>>707910297
>Iraq had tonnes of weapons stolen from the military.
AKA captured weapons. Yes the Afghans were supplied weapons later in the war but many of the weapons used at the outset and later were stolen from the Russians.
>>707910775
theyre also pistols, not "assault" rifles
>>707910534
Europe is facing threats from Isis, yes, but also from the rising amount of immigrants and clashing racial and cultural tensions. Sounds a lot like the US huh? We have been open to mass immigration on years, you are just miles behind in the extreme amount of immigration that we've had.
Poverty breeds crime and immigration with no plan in place breeds poverty.
>>707901817
>posting a fox news link
gtfo faggot
>>707910551
>moving the goal posts
>implying guerrilla tactics weren't used during the civil war
>implying the CSA was attempting to occupy the USA
>You really don't know what your talking about.
kek
>>707908717
Illegal guns can be fuckin cheap. If you know the right guys, you can buy a .22 revolver for $50 on the streets of LA
>>707910714
Russia, China, many middle eastern countries bar Saudi Arabia. People don't like the US government, anything to destabilize and weaken them would be supported. AND if it got bad enough to go into civil rights violation we may seen foreign aid in the extent of the UN via air support. It's not completely crazy.
>>707909836
Your sea border is irrelevant by comparison. The logistical endeavor to bypass it is enormous compared to the lack thereof in traipsing across a gigantic land border, especially if your criminal organization's whole shtick is doing that and the country your trying to get into already depends so heavily on illegal immigration for cheap labor that they'll turn a blind eye.
I'd like to see a citation for that trade balance factoid. But even supposing it's true, that would rapidly change given a gun ban. It's childish to manufacture even full-auto weaponry; you can do it in a garage with fairly simple tools and materials. (Another reason why a ban wouldn't work here; you'd just end up with homemade jobs, just like what happens in nations with gun bans like China.) It'd be a field day for gunrunners.
That's not even getting into how a total ban would likely result in Civil War 2: Electric Boogaloo. Our army is a bastion of right-wing thought, and a very large chunk of them are going to interpret their oath to defend the nation against "enemies foreign and domestic" as meaning their government, especially given that oath also charges them to uphold the constitution.
Here's a math problem for all you leftist idiots.
I have 7 guns. The government takes away 7 of my guns. How many guns do I have left?
The answer is 23.
>>707902676
your envy is showing
>>707910818
Basically captured from themselves since a large part of the resistance in the start of the war were the military.
You seem to forget you disbanded the Iraqi army. So they weren't stolen from an actual army.
And Afghanistan had plenty of weapons before Russia invaded.
>>707910768
I'm not, I'm saying gun crime increases when people have guns, yes, but crime in general either remains the same or sky rockets, as we see in the UK and Australia during their gun bans.
I mean if you want more understanding look at Texas compared to Illinois. Guess who has stricter gun control.
>>707902676
Say hello to France, Germany, the UK, Spain, Greece, etc and soon to be Sweden, Denmark, and Finland.
>>707911128
>>implying the CSA was attempting to occupy the USA
Gettysburg Pennsylvania dumb ass. Learn a bit about U.S. History.
>>707904768
shills believe this
>>707900976
Less anything equals less deaths retard.
Germany: no guns allowed
'Murica: guns allowed
25 times (population numbers adapted) more people shot in 'Murica last year by police officers alone, not even talking about homicide
>>707911247
Which you just proved my point.
>>707910551
whether that is or isn't true, you've arguing minutiae in a thead that has deviated well off-topic
>someoneiswrongontheinternet.jpg
congratulate yourself
>>707900230
With gun control, there will be a lot less gun related petty crime.
Even stupid criminals wouldn't risk having a gun unless they thought it was worth it, and a lot of them wouldn't think it's worth it.
Just about all of the criminals with guns will be real criminals, something most commoners wouldn't have to worry about.
>>707911564
How many people killed in general chucklehead? How about violent crime? Especially now with all those wonderful immigrants.
>>707910894
Nope doesn't really sound like the US at all.
Violence in the US is largely gang related or because some idiot doesn't like his neighbour and decides to shoot him. It has nothing to do with culture or immigration.
>>707911138
Yes a city in the middle of gun-fuckistan usa. You can bring them in from anywhere you can buy them legally. We are talking about a situation where guns are harder to come by which will increase black market gun prices drastically
>>707911564
Police have been shooting people who have no weapons on them though.
>>707911699
>HAHA I TROLLED YOU
I don't really care, I'm a history buff.
>>707911203
Im a leftist and I support gun rights
please quit being a cunt
>>707900457
The Americans, they butthurt
>>707911753
It has everything to do with culture and immigration dummy. What do you think is going on with all the cops vs BLM? There is a distinct difference in culture between White Americans, Black Americans, Latinos, Arabs, etc.
When liberals are capable of valid logic, they will realize self-defense in any format is a necessary evil. (i.e. when they turn 30)
>>707911564
>Germany
>10 million civilians killed
good thing a few resistance fighters had weapons to give you cunts a hard time
>>707905837
why the fuck does the US have laws in the first place, when criminals dont follow them?
>>707912023
When Liberals turn 30 they become conservatives unless they've never had to work a day in their lives.
>>707912023
liberal here
i support gun rights
go fuck yourself you closet homo
>>707911613
Huh? You're trying to say they are captured (ie Americans could do that too) I'm saying no they were always heavily armed and random rednecks trying to fight the US govt would get slaughtered.
Isn't it just niggers that shot other niggers? The cops are fine. Deport all shitskins now.
>>707900230
>Cash for guns
Niggers love.guns, but they love cash more, buy all the guns off Americans, put it in military, bam I just fixed earth
>>707912119
This. The 'criminals don't follow laws' argument only applies to serious organised crime, which is a tiny portion of crime against random civilians.
>>707912239
no, youre retarded
