>>707323232 Russia can not invade west militarily >because the United States spends more on defense than 10 other countries combined, has the most powerful Navy humanity has ever seen, is surrounded by a natural barrier i.e. the Pacific and Atlantic Ocean, etc. etc. etc. >because they would get absolutely rekt
>>707322856 >muh cold war ideas of what the Russian people are like >I think Russians will literally move their entire culture to a conquered nation and not just station tons of troops there while trying not to have it be a world pr disaster
To be real. Alot of what Russia is doing is out of fear we'll make the first move. We're a fucking scary nation of zealous assholes. America Fuck Yeah and all that. Yes there are alot of Americans who feel their country is failing but plenty more who will buy into the first false flag they see. Russia wants to make sure it doesn't happen on their turf.
>>707323005 If you think Russia would have played their hand over an "accidental" strike in Syria you're joking. They weren't/aren't "legally" obligated to do anything either. And we've both been skirting treaty obligations and ceasefire deals for 50 years so I don't see how you would imagine this last thing as being significant.
>>707324967 >the Russians which would want to pacify a nation and not instigate an uprising or rebellion if they invaded >are certainly just terminators powered by vodka who care nothing about their image or committing warcrimes
Why don't you tell us about how many refugees you'd like to take care of too? Maybe if you don't post anonymously and convert to Islam they won't rape your wife and cut your throat afterwards. Go back to CNN.
>>707325687 Well. To be fair Russia wouldn't just be fight us either. They'd be fighting most of the EU, Japan, Canada, Mexico. We have alot of smaller buddies too mostly due to their economy being semi reliant on our exportation and importation of good.
You're a liberal cuck because you listen to Shillary and talk major shit about your own country. Are you a sjw too? How many black football players have you allowed to plow your girlfriend to make up for the systemic evil in this country?
You're Walder Frey. You're preparing yourself for the day when the niggers and spics and chinks and transies and sjws inevitably win so you can position yourself to say "LOOK! I WAS ON YOUR SIDE ALL ALONG! THAT MEANS YOU'LL ALLOW ME TO KEEP MY JOB AND MY HOUSE RIGHT? RIGHT??"
If anything is going to destroy this country it's not Russian nukes...it will be our own people, eating away at it from the inside with their degenerate proclivities and hatred for the hard working whites who built this country. And liberal cucks full of white guilt, such as yourself, will allow it to happen.
>>707326240 >If anything is going to destroy this country it's not Russian nukes...it will be our own people, eating away at it from the inside with their degenerate proclivities and hatred for the hard working whites who built this country. And liberal cucks full of white guilt, such as yourself, will allow it to happen. /thread
>wah it's the government You stupid cucks, if the government doesn't speak for you, you get a knife and you slit the throat of every selected official and create a new one that does. That's the way it is and always has been. Don't come online and complain about allowing yourself to be disenfranchised.
>>707326554 That's weird. Last time I went there, most people had iPhones, cars and were eating out as restaurants. Seems like a hard thing for most people to pull off in a "bankrupt", "crippled" nation. Must be a tribute to how impervious they are to American sanctions...?
>>707324790 because only AMERICAAAAAAAA world police have access to nuclear weapons, those guys are the coolest they're like pew pew pew and nobody can even stop them. Your infantry is a joke (SF aside they dont count) and you're outgunned on the large scale by the only other two super powers who're bopth bigger better organised and better funded although that last point could be argued against as the US defense budget seems to go on endlessly with no influence from the economy
>>707326778 You're wrong about me. Like I said. Alot of my beliefs are pretty far right. I think blacks are responsible for a disproportionately high amount of crime. I think far to many Islamic people are radical in their beliefs. I think abortion is fine. I think weapons research is fine. I think stem cells and genetic manipulation and all that "You can't play God" science is fucking wonderful.
Dont assume I'm a liberal just because I think the nuke as a deterent leaves the world suffering when it has to be used. Radiation, fallout, the blast itself warps the land. Hell if there weren't a disarmament treaty for space I'd day Rods of God are a good idea. Basically tungsten rods fired from orbit that hit the ground with the force of a small meteor. It's really fuckin cool and it's clean.
Nukes are a bad option. That is the only thing I think I will ever agree with a liberal on. Simply because we could have better options that don't fuck the planet in the ass while they fulfill the goal of "fuck those guys over there".
>mfw my country is a memeber of NATO >mfw war breaks out and everyone will be forced to enter the military >mfw I'll be forced to fight against russians >mfw I'll be forced to fight alongside americunts
Nah. we will all die anyway due to the russian project Dead Hand.
You have seen Dr. Strangelove? Well it's basically the same idea.
> Russians are afraid of the US attacking them so quickly that nobody would be left (or would dare for the sake of the World) to fire the nukes > Develops a secret project called : Dead Hand > Why Dead Hand? Because even if everyone is dead, the nukes will be fired > How does it works? If there are several important seismic activity somewhere in Russia AND an abnormal level of radiactivity is detected in the air a first signal is automatically sent to the russian military bases. > A second signal is then launched from all the military bases to the Kremlin (and the other bases as well to see who is still here) > The Kremlin has a few minutes to react. If the Kremlin doesn't react or if he validates the order, nuclear missiles are launched on the USA, Europe and maybe other targets. > GG time to play Fallout or metro 2033
Now let see :
> Hillary is elected in november > She wants to take down Assad > Russians protects Assad > Hillary orders US military to bomb Syrian government > Russians take down an US jet > US blame Russia and "accidentaly" bomb a Russian position in Syria > Russia reciprocates by sinking an US ship in the Mediterranea. > ??? > Dead Hand > Nuclear Winter for real
>russia has more nuclear heads >you may have best navy but russia has best airforce >russia's military is a bit more advanced >russian tanks are faster more secure and strand less than their American counterparts >russia's military is better trained >The ak overpowers the m16 >ak is cheaper to make and more reliable >ak parts can be easily replaced >ak jams less cuz parts are not tighly packed
America has only had 17 years of peace since it's independence.
Wanna know why you are constantly fighting someone? Because as I have already said congress are mostly shareholders in companies that supply arms and armaments to the US.
And scaremongering the US citizens into keeping a Democrat or Republican in power ensures their profits continue every year. That is why your media is bombarded by false information about Muslims and Islam to keep you scared to allow the excess budget to be spent.
You have done the exact same things against the Spanish, The Filipinos, The Germans, The Vietnamese, The Koreans, The Japanese, The Russians etc.
And that was only last century.
So while you try and stand on your soapbox thinking your national is the greatest, it is the greatest but not as you think, but for the amount of people who are blinded into thinking it is greater than it is, all just to make people and businesses even richer while the people suffer.
>>707327588 Cool stuff. But if they don't have a navy how will they get to a country surrounded by water on both sides with the only feasible entry point being Alaska for a full scale ground invasion that doesn't have to meet our navy head on, then going through Canada which is an ally of the United States?
Fucking murican politicians fucking suck Russia is no threat anymore They fuckibg build abms in europe so the nukes cant reach murrica anymore Now they provoke russia abd in a case of war fucking europe gets destroyed
Since Islamic Extremism first hit the US shores, there has been over needless 3000 deaths. Terrible right?
Lets look at how your own people have done.
Needless deaths due to crime since the same date as the first Islamic Extremist attack on US soil - 485,000
Now here is a lesson for you, Islamic Extremists =/= Muslims. I know it is such a hard concept for your brain to understand.
It is the same as IRA =/= Catholics and KKK =/= Protestants.
And before you cry about the crime stats, that is mostly White people committing them, since most Americans who cry about Muslims are actually southerners and hicks in the majority who are racist fuckwits.
Obama is too cucked to do jack shit if Russia pulled anything. At this point if there's any plans to invade the U.S, putin is waiting to see who will become POTUS. A weak old woman or Donald "Send Paco packing" Trump.
Putin knows Shillary won't stop putin so he will just do whatever he wants. However he's very much aware Trump is crazy enough to fuck with Russia, but he wants to be allies with them which is VERY smart. Because being allies with a world super power that has fucking nukes on standby with little doubt is what we should be doing.
Listen, heed my words. In the event WW3 we will be fucked with our current leader and potentially our next leader will be weak also. We have all the military and weapons we need but theyre not ready to pull the fucking trigger. This is why trump is important. He will pull the god damn trigger because not pulling the trigger for the past 8 years has resulted in ISIS, and the collapse of yurope with the rapefugees taking over.
Russia doesn't need anyone to survive.
China revolves around all the sheckels from exporting, U.S relies on importing from China, it's a cycle. But Russia does not need anyone. Russia can take China down or whip them into submission threatening nukes. China is so jam packed in a tiny space a nuke could kill over a hundred thousand people in one blast.
Any way you look at it Russia will win in a war scenario if Trump isn't put in power to become allies with Russia so we don't fucking die.
>>707328003 There are Muslims in America, you know that right? We accepted refugees as well. I don't get this argument against the euros. It's not just a 'insert nation you wanna make fun of like a 4 year old' problem.
>>707328110 >man it sure would suck if our planes got shot down by those heavily armed destroyers >it'd also suck if they scrambled all those jets they have on those carriers or at those coastal airforce bases
>>707327500 >Trump and Putin fighting >not US and Russia forming a new two-superpower alliance to curbstomp China >Not wanting to fight those filthy Chink commies >Not regreting being a europoor because you are being culturally enriched in your ass >Not wanting to patrol inna EU once it gets so bad that Russia and America have to send in joint peacekeeping forces >Being mad because the US will have the first mars colony
He probably means the height of the sanctions, but remember that 'having iphones n shit' is not how you define how rich they are. Most of the poorer middle east such as afghanistan all have brand clothing and iphones as well. The iphone 6 costs $120 in russia, while the same model costs $700 in Tier1 EU countries. Not to mention that no country is actually "rich". Aside from 2 countries - one of them being luxembourg - all of the countries in the world live on a massive debt, with banks perpetually loaning them more and more money until they turn around and say "Hey, we're not loaning you money anymore until you've paid % of your debt". Hell, you can buy national treasuries yourself and end up making the country owe you money. Understand that Russia or the US or any other country in the world can go from a working government to complete anarchy in over a night if banks refused to lend them money (Just like greece for example).
Jesus christ, do people seriously still believe this Russia vs USA meme? Never gonna happen fags. Put away your soviet era tinfoil hats and join us in the 21st century. War is for the barbaric and the uncivilized, there's a reason European countries aren't fighting with each other all the time and the USA isn't trying to annex Canada. Same reason why 99% of the world's violence happens in the fucking middle east and Africa. Because the modern world has "grown up" and realized that it's a gigantic fucking waste of money and time trying to conquer other powers. War results from desperation and extreme discomfort, it's what people used to turn to because they were going to fucking starve that winter if they didn't steal food from a neighbor or attain new land to grow crops. Regardless of how difficult some people have deluded themselves into thinking their lives are, living in a first world country is a fucking breeze. Sure, those countries might be involved in military conflicts but they are always carefully chosen for economic reasons and only against enemies that are at so much of a disadvantage it's hard to even call it a "war".
The era of superpower wars is over. Russia is still being a little bitch about it, but even they know this
Sweden isn't as bad as people believe, but hey if you want to continue believing far right propaganda... go for it.
I remember when Fox news believed it and said Birmingham in England was a Muslim no-go zone. That made me chuckle so hard. Then they had to apologise because like most ignorant Americans they never bothered to check that information out first.
>>707328092 >Putin knows Shillary won't stop putin so he will just do whatever he wants. However he's very much aware Trump is crazy enough to fuck with Russia
How delusional and uninformed can you possibly be to think this is true? Do you know ANYTHING about the candidate's foreign policy proposals or are you just shitposting with information you've gathered from /pol/ memes?
>>707328187 See the problem that people like you don't understand is that it's not their faggot religion
It's the fact they refuse to adapt the culture of they places they go to.
See Hungary is in a state where they don't want anyone in because they want to keep their culture and traditional values that will be tainted by mudshits forcing their faggot religion down everyone's throats.
What should be happening is they come into European countries and they fucking act white. They adapt to the culture. That's the fucking problem fam. It's like mexicans in murka, they refuse to learn fucking English and want handouts and anchor babies. If you came here legally and you act like a nice well mannered white person I don't fucking care what color you are. But i hate non whites specifically for the track record of acting like fucking savages and destroying society.
Anon from Russia reporting in. The thing is, you wouldn't want Russia to fuck your government. Most of our lawmakers are corrupted pieces of shit, that are currently trying to oppress the Internet by making ecchi, so called "imitation"(basically, women over 18 dressed in school uniform), and hentai illegal, leaving more vital problems untouched. If you store them on your computer or spread them, you can be jailed up to 10 years. Our fucking jails are no joking matter. If they find out what are you jailed for, they will humiliate you for the rest of your life. They only solve vital problems when there are elections.
You're an idiot. The US has 10 super carriers and is building 10 more. The carrier battle group is the most powerful military force in the history of the world. Russia has 1 old medium carrier, same for China. Other than number of (old) tanks, and a poorly trained conscript infantry, China and Russia have no where close to the capability of the US military.
It does actually have them, no idea why you think they don't.
But here is another unfortunate truth, the Russians build armaments for the people who are trained to use them.
Sure you have a couple of hundred YF-18s etc but you don't have the personnel to use them. They sit there for a number of years to be scrapped, and guess who buys the scrap? The same people who made them, and the process is recycled so they make even more profits by giving them back to you after checks...
>>707328890 They have 5 prototypes of the PAK FA. And plans to go into full production are being scrapped because India no longer wants to partner, because of the poor quality. Pretty easily found facts. Nothing to do with what I "think".
The US has at least 150 F-22s and is building about 1500 F-35s.
Even if you dont like America, you have to admit our military is pretty fuckin' huge. We have the single best military on Earth, not objectivly or patriotically speaking, but just plain fact. And it needs to be that way. SOMEONE has to be the military nation in case shit hits the fan there has to be no question who would win the war, and to be honest, whether you like it or not, America will probably win every war against any nation, no ifs ands or buts. It's just how it needs to be, there shouldnt be another world war.
>>707329244 We don't use M16's jackass >But the M4 is just a shorter m16 No. the parts are spread out looser on the inside, if it was just a shorter M16 the soldier would refuse to fight IN THE DESERT.
Why aren't your current pilots being trained right now?
Do you not see the stupidity in it. Do you not see the obvious money grabbing by your congress who are shareholders in the companies who produce them?
Anyways, the PAK-FA is experimental, but the Russians will have a number of T-50s designed to tackle the F-22s and F-35s.
And they will still have an armada of them with less budget spending.
The F-22s and F-35s are not as technologically advanced as you think. The F-35s are in a way a small upgrade of the F-22s which are based on ancient tech. They are a poster craft to fool the US citizens into thinking their have superior tech defending them. But in reality it isn't.
The only decent stealth craft the US has ever had was the Blackbirds.
>>707328648 A lot of Americans think that they're oppressed. They have no fucking idea what oppression is. These people think that their guns are being taken away when you can walk down the street to Wallmart & buy a semi auto rifle.
Americans are generally pretty fucking dumb. How do Russians stack up to that level of ignorance?
>>707328860 >Tell me about how Trump doesn't want to ally and hes not willing to put the foot down if needed.
You write like a 5th grader and the complexity of your political understanding is respectively comparable. You are clearly a simpleton who can only generally estimate policy based on a candidate's personality characteristics rather than the established facts. I'd advise you actually do some real research on their respective foreign policy proposals before attempting to participate in any more political discussions
>>707329040 Oh, they just want to show off. > Look, guys, we are doing shit! > Look, guys, we have repaired the road near your house, vote for us! They always can gather some poor old people that are nearly making ends meet with their low pensions, and give them some food so they will vote. Works every time.
I don't know man, small arms don't win massive conventional conflicts
>be soviet designer, 1970's >realize that massive 7.62 round has large drop-off, and more dakka is superior to stopping power >refit AK's to fire intermediate cartridges... >...like those vietnam era m16's
>>707329625 >>707329625 Oh isn't that cute, he insulted me on a personal level instead of fucking dropping some facts and telling me how I'm wrong.
Listen here sport, I know this is your first day on the internet, so it's not a big deal you appear to he mentally handicapped. What you're supposed to do when someone says "prove me wrong", is you prove them wrong! So come back tomorrow champ, I'm sure youll do better next time.
American sanctions aren't even that strict right now, and most of them don't really affect Russia much anyway.
No, what is fucking Russia over is the price of oil that has dropped by half. That's basically their only source of money and it's dropped like a sack of flour. They're getting fucked in the ass by the price of oil and no amount of propaganda can fix cold hard numbers. The Russian economy is starting to turn to shambles. The population is shrinking. It has no manufacturing base and no real base economy outside of oil. It is spending way too much on the military that it absolutely cannot afford to do. IV drug use in Russia and HIV is SKY ROCKETING to the point of a UN level disaster.
Russia is a shit hole and getting worse. Don't let the handful of city centers fool you. They're headed down a cliff and Putin knows that he needs to distract them if he's going to hold power.
>>707329719 To be honest, that fucking sucks man and I feel sorry for you. I've never been to Russia but I've been to quite a few of the Soviet bloc states and it just seems like people are depressed as hell about their situation and that even though they know their government is corrupt they've just given up hope. American politicians are mostly corrupt assholes as well, but at least we're allowed to express ourselves about it. Any chance you can move to a better country?
>>707330009 No there's a shit load of fat fucks here. But it seems more recently people aren't as stupid (Im reffering to whites of course). Pretty much any white person that isn't a 60 year old fat hag or a kid going to uni is pretty aware of what's going on with current affairs. The negroes and spics are a different story.
>>707329593 >Number of T-50 Sorry, nope. Can't afford to build them without India's help, and India doesn't want them anymore. So yeah, may be able to build 20 or so by 2030. Crash in oil prices pretty much killed most of Russia's plans. Again easily found info
>>f-35 small upgrade of F-22 Ok, see now I realize you don't know what the fuck you're talking about at all. Do you get your info from playing Battlefield 4 or something?
>Blackbird only good stealth aircraft Again, you literally have no idea what you are talking about
>not enough trained pilots Citation needed
>YF-18 from earlier post That's not even a thing. It's the F/A-18. It was developed from the YF-17 prototype from the 70s.
Sorry, but you're ignorant of things you are trying to argue.
>>707329963 It's not my job to educate you on foreign policy proposals. If you want to look it up and then come back and debate it with me I'd be more than happy to have a discussion about each of the candidate's proposals and why or not I agree with them, but I'm not going to waste my time arguing with a clueless idiot. And for the record shithead, I actually agree with Trump's foreign policy more than I agree with Shillary's, but that doesn't make your original statement any less retarded.
By the way, I did chuckle at the fact that you criticized me for insulting you on a personal level and then proceeded to insult me on a personal level, always amusing to have some quality unintended irony in the mix
>>707330527 On the contrary, I'm very much enthusiastic about having a discussion with people who have actually taken the time to inform themselves, but you clearly don't fall into this category. Discussing things is fun, regurgitating information to people too lazy to educate themselves isn't. Anyway, I've read enough of your miserable dribble. Good day to you anon
>>707330460 So you are telling me it's not possible to form a political party that operates on a national level, because your constitution only allows 2 parties? That's not even real democrazy... this shit's called polyarchy... It's more like land of the fools than land of the free then haha
T-50s are being built, I never said they have them right now, you are being pedantic there.
As I said the F-35s are a small upgrade from the F-22s which have hardly been used. As the F-22s were mainly for air-to-air combat. The F-35s deployment bays were changed from the F-22s to host either AIMs or AGMs.
Their design is a bit sleeker making them a bit more stealthy, but again this is technology already present from previous stealth craft namely the Blackbird (SR-71), the blackbird still is IMHO the better stealth craft out there.
Maintainable for a low price, versatility, great control and maneuverability, travel further, works well under high G-stress.
As for not enough pilots this has been commonly known for years, since nobody was trained to fly the F-22s why would you think there is enough pilots for the F-35s? Are you that fucking delusional?
There is a an YF-18, it is the F/A-18 Hornet. Shortly after the YF-17 was produced, tested etc. The US wanted something for their navy that was better than the F-14 and less clunky and expensive. So the YF-18 was designed and later became better known as the F/A-18 Hornet.
So while you sit there and think I am ignorant, You should look in the mirror.
>>707330758 Lol Im the guy you were talking to, he chimed in before me.
You have yet to make a single argument against my statement. So far you have only insulted me (which is tactic used by children), and when I ask you to prove me wrong you just say you're too smart and you shouldn't have to (also a tactic used by children).
As a whole I see your debate skills ranking from a D- to a solid D. I only give you that much credit because you somehow learned to use a computer. Don't worry though, kid, you'll get better in time.
For the Presidency, yes. The congress is a whole other story and can be filled with all kinds of parties if it wanted to. The way the Presidential elections are handled is such that if there are 3 or 4 people who gain a somewhat equal amount of electoral votes there wouldn't be anyone who hit that threshold. Unlike other democracies we don't have a system that uses a minority coalition to pick a leader. So in cases where the electoral college votes aren't reached the issue goes to the House of Reps where they elect the President and the Senate elects the Vice President. Keep in mind that's literally never happened.
>>707329669 U.s. sailor reporting in. We have hundreds of guided missile destroyers which the U.S. "will neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons," and dozens and dozens of nuclear powered submarines that can submerge for months and the U.S. "will neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons on. I'm stationed on a carrier and I'm pretty sure they're mostly for show at this point. Our destroyers and submarines are the most numerous and lethal craft out there. Very numerous.
>>707323985 This because we defend many trade routes and countries from outside attack. There are numerous countries that have a vested interest in our safety, not to mention no country covets spending the amount we do on military.
You know to the both of you there is more than the two parties on show.
Funny how Americans never ever consider them, and always assume that it is either Republican or Democrats.
It happened in the UK for a long time between Conservatives and Labour.
Now Lib Democrats are getting more powerful, SNP got power finally in my home country of Scotland.
And I can tell you right now since SNP took over, it has been better in Scotland. The pro-British populace in around Glasgow and Edinburgh will deny this, because they are blinded by faith of the UK rather than an Independent Scotland.
Motherfucking GRU reporting in. You have no idea how fucked you guys are. Everyone here at the HQ hopes that D. Trump will change things. Yet nobody thinks that THEY will LET him become the president. So yeah. You guys are fuck'd. Things are gonna get so much worse that I'll probably just move to Australia when my contract exprires.
Ps: My connection is poor and 4chan wont let me post photo-proofs here so I'll use imgur instead if needed (nobodys gonna belive it anyways).
>As I said the F-35s are a small upgrade from the F-22s which have hardly been used. As the F-22s were mainly for air-to-air combat. The F-35s deployment bays were changed from the F-22s to host either AIMs or AGMs.
Holy shit, you're literally retarded. The F-22 and F-35 are not fucking similar at all except they're both stealth jets. Completely different frames, engines, avionics, and combat roles. You literally have no idea what you're talking about.
>Their design is a bit sleeker making them a bit more stealthy, but again this is technology already present from previous stealth craft namely the Blackbird (SR-71), the blackbird still is IMHO the better stealth craft out there.
Again, no idea what you're talking about. The stealth systems that were on the F-117 and the B-2 are the older generation and are MUCH improved on the F-22 and F-35. The SR-71 was NOT in ANY WAY a fucking stealth plane. At all. It had some stealth like qualities but it was NEVER a stealth plane. It used its altitude and massive speed to deal with dangers, not stealth. There were several times they were fired at and they simply evaded the missiles. You really are retarded.
>Maintainable for a low price, versatility, great control and maneuverability, travel further, works well under high G-stress.
If you're still talking about the Blackbird then you're still retarded. They're expensive to maintain, expensive to build, did only one thing (recon), doesn't handle all that well (it's basically a fucking rocket), can't do high G maneuvers because of its massive speed (and it doesn't need to), and also required a fuck load of refueling missions to get where it needed to go.
>As for not enough pilots this has been commonly known for years, since nobody was trained to fly the F-22s why would you think there is enough pilots for the F-35s? Are you that fucking delusional?
All new aircraft require pilots to be trained. Are you literally retarded?
Most americans really overestiate their navy, its no doubt their strong point but no where near as "Powerful" as they like to believe.
Back in 2012, Nato had a joint naval operation with many member of Nato, two of these countries were France and Usa. Under the simulation of a naval battle a single French submarine managed to sink USS Theodore Roosvelt and most of its escort by floating undetected past its view. (You can find the whole story on the internet)
Now that is one submarine, now imagine an armada of Russian subs which by the way are know to be amongst the best in the world, and the ones armed with ICBM's are the best (not that nukes would be used against a carrier)
The reason why Usa has a huge navy is because they are 100% dependant by it due to their geographical location, to not have one would be senseless. No one can at this time successfully invade Usa, Russia or China and come out victorious.
ICBM's are another topic but if interested just look up the Russian ICBM's they are of another generation than anything in Nato, even Pentagon analysists have said that they grant Russia the first strike capability.
Im not a pro Russia anti west person, im from a Nato member country, but unlike many in this chat im not dumb enough to lie and deny many of the strenghts of our counterparts.
>>707331118 >There is a an YF-18, it is the F/A-18 Hornet. Shortly after the YF-17 was produced, tested etc. The US wanted something for their navy that was better than the F-14 and less clunky and expensive. So the YF-18 was designed and later became better known as the F/A-18 Hornet.
Calling it a YF-18 is retarded. There was no YF-18, there was a YF-17 that was the starting point to an F/A-18. That doesn't mean it's the same aircraft. It also doesn't mean it was a developed aircraft. You're just a moron. Not to mention most of the aircraft now are Super Hornets, not the older F/A-18s.
We don't have a parliamentary system. The US Presidency is a numbers game, and if that number isn't met during the election the House elects the President. Having more than 2 parties leaves a greater risk of no one winning. It's unique to the US and has nothing to do with the idea of supporting a third party.
>>707322565 Actually your picture is wrong. It is completely the American People's responsibility to reign in their government and select leaders who represent your ideals. Fuck off with this "I'm Not responsible" bullshit because YES YOU ARE.
>>707324890 What? You dumbfuck, the US Navy is BY FAR the most powerful navy on earth. Not even close. The Russian air force and navy would be swept aside and then all the Russian tanks in the world won't be able to do shit against massive 24/7 airstrikes. Any country in the world loses to the US 1v1, badly.
>>707331165 Ok, but if 90% of the congress consists out of a 3rd party they still cant put in a president and cant do shit because the presidents word weights a lot more than in modern democrazies and the congress and the president would paralyze each other right? This is pretty senseless imho. You ppl are rioting over every shit like a criminal getting shot, but nobody adresses this issues? You got to set your priorities amerifriends.
I love how every one is like Russia's nukes this, and russia's nukes that but lets be real, if ww3 were to happen, and russia and america were to fight, no one would survive, russia is a bear, and america is a giant. Russia, and america's best interest were to be on the same side, Russia will only ever attack people that does not align with america's interest, and as long as russia does that, we should be good.
No, not at all. Do you even know anything about the US Government or how it runs? If you don't then why are you even bothering to speak up?
Just last month the US House and Senate overrided a Presidential veto. The President is one of the checks of government but if 90% of the congress were for one thing the President couldn't do a fucking thing about it. Not a thing.
>>707322565 Do the words "Mutually assured self destruction" mean anything to you fags? There is a reason we were in the cold war with the USSR for half a century. All-out war between Russia and the US likely results in destruction of most of human life.
>>707332239 Let's be real... it absolutely doesnt matter which side xou are on in a nuclear war. It's not like only russia and the us can produce nuclear weapons. Countries like germany and japan wich have 0 nuclear weapons atm will be able to pruduce big arsenals in a few month, since they already have the knowledge and infrastructure to do so. As long as the ww3 goes on there will be destruction everywhere. Also nuclear weapons are ways more effective today than in the 60s.... you dont need 5000bombs to vanosh a country the size of japan...50 good ones will be more than enough to kill 90% of the population.
Like I said it is a small upgrade from the F-22s, just because I didn't mention specifics in depth doesn't mean I didn't know of them. Again you are being pedantic.
The SR-71 was indeed a stealth plane, it was designed to be, it is still the fastest plane in existence today. It had the ability to interrupt communications and radar.
It still has the most sophisticated radar system and sensor system out of all aircraft.
Nobody has shot one down, although they have fired at it blindly not one missile has ever hit one. In most cases they were faster than the missile if it did get lock.
I didn't say they were cheap to build... so again being pedantic, I said they are easy and cheap to maintain.
For the rest of your shite, It could do high maneuvers because it was designed to do that, as for only recon it could easily carry AGMs and Ballistic missiles if need be.
Also for fueling, it would take off with just enough fuel to get airborne and to be refueled shortly after. It didn't need massive amounts of refueling, you are an idiot.
As again for the trained pilots, again you are being a pedantic prick, I never said once there is no pilots trained, I said NOT ENOUGH.
Nobody was trained in service to fly the F-22s, NOBODY. They had test pilots etc sure, but nobody in service. Why? Because the plans for the f-35 were in place, and to this day there is only a handful of pilots qualified to fly a F-35.
Since you think you have the answers, show me the number of pilots qualified to fly the F-35 and the F-22. Go ahead. Until then whatever you say is just rambling pedantic cockwaste.
Meh, they're not more effective, there's just better delivery systems. The nukes themselves haven't changed a whole lot. The yield went to stupid high lengths but no one actually uses those for anything other than dick waving. They're just not efficient. People these days just use MIRV weapon systems and shotgun blast medium yield nukes. Again, same nukes, different delivery method.
>>707332756 >Like I said it is a small upgrade from the F-22s, just because I didn't mention specifics in depth doesn't mean I didn't know of them. Again you are being pedantic.
It's not an upgrade at all. It's a different aircraft for a different role entirely. You're an idiot.
>The SR-71 was indeed a stealth plane, it was designed to be, it is still the fastest plane in existence today. It had the ability to interrupt communications and radar.
Fuck you're stupid. Jamming signals isn't stealth. If that were the case the fucking A-6 intruder would be a stealth plane, you moron.
>It still has the most sophisticated radar system and sensor system out of all aircraft.
Not even by a little. The systems we have today because of tech advances outshine those things by miles.
>I didn't say they were cheap to build... so again being pedantic, I said they are easy and cheap to maintain.
Which isn't true. They don't even make parts for the fucking things anymore. The companies that did are long gone. They're extremely expensive to maintain, and they only served the recon role, which isn't needed anymore because of better tech and craft.
>For the rest of your shite, It could do high maneuvers because it was designed to do that, as for only recon it could easily carry AGMs and Ballistic missiles if need be.
Now you don't even understand basic aviation. Know what happens when you attempt a high-G turn at speed? You put about 20 times the force of the frame and it snaps like a god damn twig. The only thing that saved it was the speed, which is what it was designed to do. It didn't maneuver well. AT ALL. It also never carried weapons, and would be a terrible aircraft to use to carry weapons because they'd have to go sub sonic to launch them. Idiot.
The rest of your shit is just stupid, I'm not even going to bother replying to your stupid ass. You fail to understand even basic aerodynamic flight rules, let alone anything about the production of military aircraft, the roles they play, and how to use them.
No, you fucking idiot. Can you not read? If they don't hit a electoral college vote of 272 then the HOUSE decides who is President. That means the more people running the higher the chance that happens, at which point the US literally has NO choice in who is President. How hard is that for you to get through your fucking skull?
>>707332666 Lockheed Martin is developing next-gen umanned surv.planes and cameras and they're doing pretty well. AWACS is going to get disposed of in a couple of years. Djibuti is basically one big american military camp and all the middle eastern military ops will be launched from there in near future. Offut airbase is starting to get pretty damn busy just like good old cold war days. All these E-4b's, man... Andrews and McChord are code green. Vc-35's has weird satcom issues: turning on wifi breaks their sattelite connection. T11N is code green. WGS is code green. Russian mil.bases in Cuba are code green, read you loud and clear. Just some things for your consideration.
>>707327588 >US troops not as trained as Russian >US troops in combat last decade >US troops fighting unconventional warfare agains guerilla fighters >no experience okay retard, who let you out of the ward
Sorry to tell YOU that 'cuck' doesn't mean fucking shit, /pol/ and the subhuman alt-right shitstains have NEVER been right about anything and you need to fucking kill yourselves or grow brains if you want to be relevant ever again.
Nope. Well I gave you a chance and you fucked that up too. Dont say I didnt try. Youre wrong. Youre an idiot. You dont know what youre talking about. Please make sure your tinfoil hat is on properly and go back to your room, son. You're grounded. I better not hear a single peep out of you for the rest of the day.
You're such a useless piece of corpse shit that im your dad now.
>>707328953 I'm seriously confused, I know I already commented on it but seriously? What do civilians think we do with our weapons? What the hell made you say a fucking Ak12 can "overpower" any american weapon? How do you think battles/wars are fought?
Maybe I'm too military- but I refuse to believe you've arrived at the word "overpower" with a fucking pea shooter. It's insane, I just won't fucking allow it.
>>707327588 american and russian nuclear arsenals are approximately the same with the americans taking a slight edge. both countries have less that 5,000 weapons, down from a peak of of over 30,000 in the 80's
>>707330566 but the carriers would be next to useless in an all-out war. it's the subs that really matter because they carry the nukes. let's not pretend like the carrier groups wouldn't be all be blown out of the water in the first hour of the war
(same goes for the fighter jets on both sides, btw)
>>707337268 The Army and Marines crushed the Vietcong. The NVA was driven back across the border. The Air Force bombed the north so badly they begged for negotiations after a decade of refusing. A cease fire was agreed and US forces withdrew. Two years later, the north reinvaded. The south did fine... until the Democratic congress cut their support.
ITT: kids who don't know anything about history and war pretend they do and yell at each other.
What ever happened to, were are all humans and shit really doesn't matter when it comes down to it, we just want to fuck, eat, sleep, and play video games or at least something non violent. Not trying to hippie up the convo I just think war is mostly harmful if we aren't working together as a species, we should have the fucking moon colonized by now and should be ass fucking mars for resources in preparation of deeper space missions. Not this bullshit about my nukes are bigger, unless the nuke can aid in human progression (it can't it's only meant to kill) then fuck all
>>707328776 >You remember that swimmer faggot that fingerbanged an unconsious chick behind a dumpster not even a month ago What did he get? A slap on the wrist cause he was such a sweet young swimmer boy.
>>707327556 what? you think the US don't have a system like that? c'mon.
not that you'd even need a system that can launch nukes without the need for humn input. there'll always be plenty of retarded "patriots" in the us who are mroe than willing to launch them if there's the slightest chance of losing to a big power like russia
Id like to apologize for my son Brandon's attitude, gentlemen. You see, he had too much sugar today and cant contain himself. He's in his room now pretending I cant hear him cry. Ill get it under control.
Brandon, if you dont shut the fuck up youre im gonna have to grab the belt. This is your last warning, Brandon. I am fucking serious.
One of these days the world is gonna get tired of US interventionist-global-PC police antics and just run over them. US thinks they so good but in realty, they suck ass all those well equipped virgins filling their army ranks havent seen war and will shit their pants once the bombs start dropping.
This is some weird ass trolling....if you can even call it that.
So I guess I'll just call you Tiffany.
Shut the fuck up, Tiffany. You don't know the first thing about this world and you're embarrassing not only yourself but everyone you rant this retarded shit to. Get the fuck back in the kitchen until you grow up, cunt.
>>707327750 >America has only had 17 years of peace since it's independence. >Wanna know why you are constantly fighting someone? When you're the champ, all the chumps wants to try like they're real contenders.
>>707322565 If Russia invades there will be three groups fighting:
Rebels >made of citizens and defectors from the US military >wants to take control of the US gov because they're sick of the bullshit >they probably end up hanging the president >take out infrastructure like bridges with IEDs >zero shits given about collateral damage
Russians >push into the US probably from West coast >have to deal with US military >also have to deal with rebels >many think the war is pointless and try to defect >doesn't work and anyone with a Russian accent is shot >bears BTFO
US military >piss poor tactics >bears eat the burgers for lunch >often can't even reach the bears because the rebels are blowing up roadways for shits and giggles >air support helps >rebels find a way to crash drones of both US and Russia >civilians cry over the loss of hundreds of pilots >many soldiers side with rebels and train them
Someone screencap this. Americans already hate their government. If weakened even slightly during a conflict like that the US gov would be overthrown. Russia might even pull out and just let the burgers murder each other in a bloody civil war.
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