You need (or at least should have) parenthesis around the denominator, or around the individual fraction. Otherwise it's difficult to determine whether or not you divide or multiply first. But since there's no parenthesis here, and division and multiplication have equal priority:
Wow look there's two of them. You autistic fucks normally you wouldn't write it in this format it would be written as a fraction and you would have to simplify this before dividing.
>It could also be 2 if you do it the PEMDAS way, but the answer is either one.
Multiply and divide, from left to right
add and subtract, from left to right
PEMDAS is not to be taken literally
There are two answers. 2, and 288. The real answer is that both sides are correct to a point.
Position 1: The Order of Operations: This stance states that since the standard oder of operations puts multiplication and division on the same rank, the equasion can be read as (48/2)+(9+3). This reigns with truth as 48/2(9+3) is the same as 48/2*(9+3). Using the standardized left-ro-right notation, the answer can be nothing outside of 288. This left-to-right concept is indicative of PEMDAS that we all learned in grade school.
Position 2: The distributive property: This stance states that multiplication through juxtaposition, being a commonplace concept, naturally makes a parenthetical implication around grouped numbers. Thus, the equastion appears as 48/[2(9+3)]. This technique is correct as well. However, this makes the answer 2.
There's two answers that are both 100% correct.
I'm guessing this. If so, literally the same shit, you stupid igloo mongoloid
you people have to be pretty fucking stupid to not know about wolfram alpha (the site that can literally do your fucking math homework for you):
You do the parenthesis first which is 12
Then you divide 48 by 2 which is 24 then multiply 24 times 12 which is 288
PE MD AS
The md is multiply and divide but on the equation divide came first so you do division first
if the same calculation were on a test or quiz for 3rd grade or w/e level math this is considered, the instructor would either phrase it as (48/2)(9+3) or 48/(2(9+3))
and honestly, I don't think you would see a calculation like this anywhere aside from in school
here's the thing.
there are two ways to write out division problems -- with the "/" and by using a big line with stuff on top and bottom. when you use "/" inline, you MUST add extra parens or brackets, otherwise it needs to be done strictly left to right in PEMDAS order.
10/5+2 = 4
------- = 1
5 + 2
not even a math question -- just a question about the conventions used to write out math questions.
These posts are stupid.
It's BEDMAS/PEMDAS/whatever the hell you want to call it.
Notice how I put Division and Multiplication on the same line (as with Addition and Subtraction)?
That's because the inherent order of those operations within each pair do not matter. It's not always division first because the D comes first in BEDMAS. It's just mnemonic, and the rule with the mnemonic is which ever of M or D come first in the equation.
I see the above being argued way too often with these questions. People are idiot. That is not the issue.
The issue is the brackets. "Brackets" in BEDMAS refers to operations within the brackets, but the mnemonic does not talk about the implicit multiplication of the brackets, as a whole, with its neighbouring number.
For example, 48/2(9+3).
(9+3)=12. Always. Settled.
What we next need to decide is if we prioritize the implicit multiplication before following the rest of BEDMAS; do we move on to the next stage, or should we continue to simplify the brackets?
Doing the implicit multiplication gives 48/24=2.
If you move on to BEDMAS and treat the brackets as a simple multiplication (48/2*12), then reading left to right, you get 24*12=288/
Different fields choose different standards.You'll always have this divide.
>>707272452 (sorry you're canadian)
This is the retard list so far. Who else would like to join?
youre trying to make the question fit what you think the answer should be because of your shitty terms, when you should be trying to find the answer based on how the question is provided. You're a fucking idiot.
you rewrote the problem you idiot. That does not mean the same thing. What you wrote means this
48/(2*(9+3) , in that case you would be right. But the problem is
48/2 * (9+3)
You are one dumb fuck.
lmfao. such stupidity here. that's not rewriting the question so that an answer makes sense. there is no agenda. A division sign separates the numerator and denominator, simply put
Those extra brackets are for emphasis only and do not change the math being done.
truly you must know that
Math degree checking in. 288. Can't believe there's this much argument. You can't just decide to interpret it as a fraction with 12 in the denominator. If that's what it meant, it would have parentheses around it to show.
This is stating 48/2 then multiplied by the quantity of (9+3) which then makes it 288
but Im thinking that OP is saying that 48 is divided by the quantity of (2(9+3)) which then equals 2
I found the king of the Autists.
Join the list>>707274190
By far you are the winner of retardation, no one on that list has stooped down to your stupidity, and believe me they tried. The fact that you are out there interacting with society, driving, possibly breeding scares the shit out of me.
I have a math degree too.
You are an idiot and if you want to just toss the distributive property out the question entirely and not at least admit this an issue of notation and interpretation.
the amount of retard intensifies
2(12) is one term dumbasses. I put this out of green text so your tard mind can see it
>48/24 = 2
it's an expression. and if it were irrational your argument would be invalid. you mean a rational number x/y but the original expression is missing a pair of parentheses to make it a rational number
tl;dr: kill yourself
No you're wrong. I am a calculus major. I know all the science behind it. In it's current status it's an irrational number. Check any 8th grade math textbook and you'll see hahah your level of intelligence is comical to me
Lol, not Devry, but admitedly not MIT level for myself either this post:
has a nice piece on the ambiguity of the question (which is my argument), and it's from Berkeley, if you really want to worry about prestige.
Math is 100% interpretation. If you refuse to even entertain the idea otherwise its quite the demonstration that you have not studied mathematics beyond grade school (which is fine if you pursued other subjects, just don't go around pretending to be a master in it).
simplify by 3
multiply each side by 8
subtract 8 from each side
Rub vigorously to make more equal
Shitposting Quota achieved.
>In mathematics, an irrational number is a real number that cannot be expressed as a ratio of integers, i.e. as a fraction.
>I know all the science behind it
Hi retards, Join the list>>707274190
You're current king retard is either >>707274645
Or this guy>>707275645
You should all have like a retard vote for your king for our amusement.
It's both. and not. Its a poorly formed statement/question/problem. the real answer is that the problem needs to be more clearly stated.
This answer is 10/10 correct.
It is no way implied that the rest of the equations string is in the denominator position.
If you have any doubts feed it into wolfram alpha.
ITT "It's the way it's written, the answer could be 2 or 288 depending on how you evaluate it!"
no it isn't retards. your bullshit might work in english class but not math. there is one right answer and it is [spoiler]288[/spoiler]
not to mention this is 100% a 3rd grade problem, most likely created to troll. once you start working on quadratic equations ALL division is done like a fraction because you're allowed to reduce fucking everything. Fuck math.
I rarely see any bring this up. I don't regret
No, you should learn math prior to trying to solve the problem. It is unambiguously 288.
You learned PEMDAS incorrectly. You can either argue it and be an idiot, or privately learn it correctly now so you don't embarrass yourself again.
The question isn't 48/2*(9+3) though
It is 48/2(9+3)
the ambiguity is literally the whole point of it. Why do you think someone even posted it in the first place? It creates controversy.
Post a picture "Can you solve this? What is 12*4+3?"
Do you think it would gain any traction? Do you think there would be this large of a divide in answers?
What? There is no interpretation.
This isn't a fucking pe class. This is math. Which has rules.
If the denominator was encapsulated in parenthesis this would be a different story.
/ is used primarily in computer computation due to it being a fucking character on a keyboard hence
There is no interpretation to be had.
This was not a hand written equation.
If fed into any logic process (unlike your brain) the answer is logically sound.
Now if you want your own artist rendition with your extra invisible parenthesis be your guest. It's only a rendition of fiction and the answer remains the same.
This is not open to interpretation. You need to go back and learn order of operations again.
I can't tell if I'm being trolled or if you managed to get this far in your life without understanding a concept from 2nd grade.
Math has rules, yes.
But math is very, very open to interpretation, also.
BEDMAS is a grade 2 concept sure, but you are stuck in a grade 2 mindset.
If your understanding of math is limited to grade school, fine, be satisfied with your knowledge and continue on your way, but there is much more to this question than order of operations.
I am not even arguing the answer is not 288. I'm arguing the question is ambiguous and both answers can be interpreted as correct.
Saying it is 2 is not wrong.
That is one of the beautiful thing about math. Also one of the dangers!
For people who are continuously getting this incorrect, in my picture, I will show what people are doing wrong, then I will show whats actually happening.
2 is 100% wrong in every possible way, since math has rules. You can call a triangle a square, but you would have to redefine geometry.
Type the problem into Bing, Google, Wolfram, whatever... they will return 288.
Take 5 minutes and try it. Then go and actually learn the order of operations.
thats actually false, while pemdas does work most of the time, multiplication and division can be done in any order from left to right (like subtraction with addition as they could be rewritten as division and multiplication).
nice try, but that is a misunderstanding.
you say notice some people don't even use PEMDAS, but instead use PEDMAS or BEDMAS, with D before M.
That is because D and M (and A and S) are interchangeable!
The issue with this question is either the way the question is presented or the order of distributive property.
You dumb fucks have given me a good laugh. Anything other than 288 is wrong. What worries me is that I hope you are all trolls because it would be very scary knowing there are this many numbnuts out there.
... It is a fucking super computer programmed the type of people who are discovering exactly what mathematics is. These people are doing pure math research. They are literally the go to experts on math.
Your statement is the equivalent of saying a Physics professor's equation for the law of gravitation is "one interpretation" of Physics.
Nope. Those two different statements in mathematics, to be technical. Simply put, there are the same yes, but they are different, and with this problem it does make a difference.
If you get a chance, take an abstract algebra course in university, or a course that redefines mathematics from the ground up in nontraditional terms (complex analysis and set theory both traditionally do this at the beginning of their courses to help better understand later content)
Multiplication and Division are given equal priority, as are Subtraction and Addition. A quick google search will inform you of this.
Think about it:
2 divided by 4 is 0.5.
2 times (1 divided by 4) is 0.5
The two things are the same operation, only applied to either the original number or its reciprocal.
Same for addition and subtraction. 1+1 is the same as 1-(-1). Same operation, only difference is positive or negative.
They are given equal priority in the order of operations, it's just impossible to convey that with an Acronym.
Uh that's a child so I turned it off. I have an applied math degree from the University of Washington in Seattle.
Go learn the order of operations.
There are in fact times when math is ambiguous, i.e.
(x)^2 = 4 is x -2 or 2? -2*-2 =4 and 2*2=4
so we say x is plus or minus.
We don't say 288 or 2 in this equation, we say 288.
Bing, Google, Wolfram are programmed algorithms designed to perform a specific way. They are not the bible on mathematical theory hahaha
Math having rules IS WHY this has become a famous problem, instead of there being one answer.
This is so fucking dumb, math has rules. Sure they are agreed on rules and we could change equation execution to be right associative or whatever, but the fact remains that this simply is not the way that we do it and the answer to this equation, put in this way is 288. Black and white, clear as crystal.
I truly think the people who say "2" are either way undereducated and are saying it for the wrong reason, or are overeducated for this conversation.
The "288" people are not wrong by grade school math, but have no formal mathematical theory.
Bitch, you are a thousand types of wrong.
With your logic, we could mathematically determine that the velocity of the Meteor heading towards earth is either 50000 miles per hour, or 20 miles per hour.
NASA would not be guessing as to which it was. They would know quite clearly. They would similarly know that the answer to the question posed by the King Faggot, OP, is 288.
Mathematics are not open to interpretation in the slightest degree. At best, you have equation manipulation, but an incorrect manipulation is not magically correct because you interpret it to be.
For the love of all that is factual, the people who designed the communication network you're using to publish your stupidity understood precisely how very wrong you are. Your words disgrace them. You should feel ashamed, and when you're done feeling ashamed, you should go back to elementary school.
no, this is not advanced mathematics. This is a simple pemdas question. Order of operations. This is not factoring, distributing, and polynomial equations. This is basic 4th grade math. There is one answer 288 and that is it. If you are fucking up and distributing, looking at 2 equations then you are a retard. Unless more is added to this equation for example an = with x+y to it then you can do more algebra. But nope, this is a simple math question. Don't go joining the retards on this thread now.
48÷2(9+3) = ? is a math problem that leads to two different answers depending on the order of operations used. Since 2011, message board users have debated over whether 2 or 288 is the correct answer to the problem, with no conclusive answer. This and another seemingly impossible equations have been a hot topic of forum debate that are sometimes used to troll other posters who will vehemently argue that their answer is the definitive one.
Saying it is 2 is wrong.
Its not that interpretation is wrong.
It is YOUR interpretation is wrong.
You cannot, and let me stress, CANNOT add your own parenthesis to this equation and call it correct.
Stop playing shrodinger's fucking box.
Will I say in general brevity that math can be open for interpetation? Yes.
Is this a case of it? Fuck no.
You're stupid. Shut up.
just going to leave this then get called wrong, idgaf leaving after
48/2 = 24
24(12) = 312
have fun retarded luigi
a supposition or a system of ideas intended to explain something, especially one based on general principles independent of the thing to be explained:
GGGUYS IM NOT AUTTTTSTIC
I am going to assume that most people are misunderstanding and "over complicating" the problem to give themselves a wrong answer. When I was glimpsing the problem itself, I nearly made that mistake by over complicating the problem by looking at the whole thing as it was a fraction alone (hence looking at 48/2(3+9) where the right set of the problem was all a denominator. I thought again, redid the problem to result 288 to not looking the whole set as a fraction but rather "division" and multiplication.
Uh, I am a college dropout but at least I know when I'm being trolled. the question posed has two answers.
Vi hart is a bit of nut but not a child and she knows her stuff, just the relevant part,
yes, it is an educated guess. Math once proven is no longer theory. it is precise, it is accurate. You may have a theory but you have to make it correct and 100 percent accurate in order for it to be math. Learn to science dumbass.
how is that a "mah safespace" class?
you people are shit at having conversations, discussions and debate.
i mean, i am willingly surfing 4chan, so i cant say i didnt know that, but damn
Genuine question, do you know what set theory, for example, is?
good luck getting flying cars without that type of study happening in university
guy with the right answer gets ignored
>the rest is left to right. You do not distribute, because distribution can only apply to multiplication on either side of a + or -. Think 48/2*12
Have I done anything wrong?
>ITT: All of a sudden math is a belief and it is to be interpreted like a poem and feelings.
Vid related, it is anyone that didn't answer 288.
There is literally no debate in basic mathematics. If this were fucking calculus or even high algebra, maybe you'd have an argument but there is one answer here.
I am familiar with what set theory is but how is that applicable in this scenario, anon?
watched the whole vid.
only the end there matters.
and she adds in her IMAGINARY, yet IMPORTANT parenthesis.
Very moot. Waste of time.
It really doesn't.
PEMDAS implies that Multiplication comes before Division.
Multiplication and division are the same thing, and addition/subtraction are the same thing.
2 + 2 is the same as 2 - -2
Anyways, I am done.
>Mathematics are not open to interpretation in the slightest degree
100% to a slight degree.
i would personally say there are fields of and applications of mathematics that are open to interpretation to a large degree
nvm should of watch video before saying anything, i am a massive faggot.
Let me expand on why she's wrong.
(48) / (2) * ((9) + (3))
There. This is the equation with each numerical value encapsulated by parenthesis.
This makes it much easier to see why you do what you do.
If you subscribe to it as a 4th grade math question, you are right.
If you're passing your time during a shit night on 4chan with shitty people, and want to have fun exploring the philosophical side of math and generally watching people not understanding it get mad, then there is a larger conversation to have.
288, any of you cunts arguing about fractions or division, kill yourself. The answer's the same unless you are a complete autist and want to answer with your retarded fractions instead of a normal number.
Will knowing the answer help us get laid?
48/2 = 24
It is in fact interesting to me how people can argue 2, when they clearly see results from google and wolfram tell them that they are wrong.
My theory is that they need to sleep on it since they learned PEMDAS incorrectly in grade school and ran with it for a decade plus. So it is a fact that clearly flies in the face of their view on reality.
You're faulty. The question being asked is fine.
Consider this, and listen up the rest of you neanderthals, this is important:
When I speak, I speak in English. My mouth makes a series of sounds which other humans recognize as being part of the English language. If you play those sounds in any order other than the order that I spoke them in, they very quickly lose meaning.
Further, when I type, I do so in English. difficult. very them reading make will order conventional agreed-upon, the than other order any in them putting but language, English the in words form that characters type I
hellish Scrambling just And them. is
And while it's true that there are plenty of other linguistic systems in place around the world, many places stick to one. Trying to use the same words or characters but changing the order in which you use them will scramble your meaning entirely.
And that's the point I want to make here. We, as humanity, could have agreed on a different way of setting up and evaluating our equations and expressions in mathematics. We didn't.
Stick to the Order of Operations, or everything falls to shit. Get a math degree and then you can propose changes. Until then, get in line or stop acting like you know anything about math.
So this is what STEM lords do for fun...
I think I'll stick to saving the world please.
>or rather, your welcome
Let's delete our extra chromosomes and do some simple algebra.
The question is 48 divided by the product of 2 X (9+3).
2 X 12= 24
48 / 24= 2
If you think the question is (48/2)12, you're fucking autistic.
pointing to google is not a mathematical proof. nor is wolfram or maple or a calculator.
i dont care if you are arguing for 2,288, or 53 and that's what it shows. that is not a proof.
> math problem
> implying someone on /b/ is smart enough to solve it
Set theory is the underlying bedrock of theoretical mathematics. Everything is defined as sets: relations, functions, the arithmetic operations addition and multiplication, ffs even numbers themselves are defined as sets.