Was the October surprise some raunchy locker room banter between two guys?
>>707121171
Fearless Leader hasn't ordered any drone strikes against Assange.
>>707121330
Assange is basically a left wing lunatic who spends his day in a spanish speaking embassy. Why would he?
>>707121458
You are either with America or you are with the terrorists.
Assange and Russia have decided they are not with America
They have decided to be with the terrorists.
>>707121171
They have more dirt on him.
It will not be pretty.
>>707121896
ok, then they should release it. Because the shit they have been pushing today has seemed pretty weak sauce. Who gives a shit if Trump has a potty mouth in private, as if people couldnt have guessed by now.
>>707122269
Ted Cruz makes sure all microphones are off, before he has special time with his daughter
You can try to excuse it as the locker room banter if you want. But he just demeaned the largest voting bloc that there is. Not smart for someone who has known for 20 years that he was going to run for president. Protip: most guys in the locker room are not running for president so they can behave however they want.
> gee wiz it's almost like presidential candidates should be held to a higher standard than a college rugby player
Good luck on nov 8th. You're gonna fucking need it.
He's going for the cuck vote
>>707122409
What difference does it make??? Is potty mouth worse than an embassy full of dead Americans? Fuck Hillary Clinton
>>707121171
It honestly isn't that big of a deal. This was just one tiny, little straw that broke the camels back.
>>707122409
>college rugby player
why are you even weighing in on american politics?
is it maybe because were the best country in the world?
>>707121171
Unbelievably, yes. They held this back until the latest email leak from Podesta to release the audio of Trump acting like the worst enemy to liberals (a MAN).
>>707122621 (You)
Every other diplomat has been responsible for the death of someone. Benghazi is such a desperate swipe by the GOP, it simply embarrassing how low you guys go for your fruit. Btw, fuck liberals and their PC attitude.
>>707122621
You vote for cuck?>>707122608
>>707122621
Fuck you, dumbass
ALl I know is, Trump cinched the nigger vote and pissed off a bunch of fairies that wouldn't have voted for him anyway.
>>707122409
>t he just demeaned the largest voting bloc that there is
How? By saying he wants to touch the vaginas of women he feels attraction to? You just want the soundbite to be important.
>>707122996
I used to support Trump until I heard he likes the feel of pussy on his fingertips. Then I decided to vote for Hillary instead!
>>707123673
Hillary, according to Bubba telling one of his mistresses, and probably eaten more pussy then him. So, go ahead. Vote for a disgusting old bull dyke.
Uh... is everyone living in a cave? The "October Surprise," which Assange claimed to be very anti-clinton, turns out to be anti-trump? Come the fuck on, guys.
No, the big leak seems to be excerpts from Lady Clinton's speeches to wall street executives. Excerpts which directly prove her two-faced nature. Not only does she lie to the American People about her potential criminal activity, but she lies to them about her financial policies as well.
In other words, there is no situation in which the bitch is honest to the American People, and considering the role of United States President (or, really, any government office) is meant to be in service to the people, how can we possibly trust her with it?
It would be like calling a repair service and them telling you that your shit's fixed when it clearly isn't. More accurately, it's like that happening every single time you ask for any service whatsoever. Why, then, would you ever trust a servicer again?
>>707124422
boo hoo, Hillary Clinton is a woman, boo hoo we all know you if issues with women
>>707121458
He's a libertarian defender of the American people against a tyrannical government.
He's ours, fuck you authoritarian bootlicker.
>>707124757
No, Hillary Clinton is a two-faced whore.
I like women. Hell, I've been in a stable relationship with the love of my life for the last six years. I'm very much an optimist when it comes to women in general.
But not this old deceitful hag.
>>707125083
Whatever creep
I can't wait for all this silly campaigning to be over so Hillary can get to work for US
>>707124856
>He's a libertarian defender of the American people against a tyrannical government.
Gee pahrumphumphump
>>707125241
What Wall Street firm do you work at?
>>707125241
How, pray tell, am I any more of a creep than you? By the kind of logic you're making use of, you're fetishizing an old bitty cuz you like how she sucks foreign cock
Now, I dislike Trump. He's vile and boorish, but at least if he does something shitty enough, we can impeach him. He doesn't have the political pull to get himself out of that. Hillary does. Her actions have, in the opinions of FBI agents themselves (as reported by the New York Times and Breitbart), caused the reputation of the FBI as an honest and respectable organization to be completely destroyed.
Her pull with Comey has destroyed the American People's faith in a once-reputable organization. You think she wouldn't drag everyone she's got pull with through the mud to keep her position as president?
She's unimpeachable, Trump isn't. I'm voting Trump and hoping he fucks up.
>>707122621
4 dead Americans, balls deep in a war zone. BFD. Funny the utter conniption fit you easily manipulatable plebs throw over the unthinkable loss of 4 murricans (omg) and yet, zero fucking outrage over the thousands of Americans and hundreds of thousands of others that have also needlessly died in that very same conflict, our idiotic countries biggest fuckup of all time.
Hillary: 4 dead foreign diplomats in a destabilized shithole
Bush: the guy who destabilized the shithole, and caused a death count that has to be state do in a fucking paragraph:
"Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths resulting from the first four years of the Iraq War estimated that between 151,000 and over one million Iraqis died as a result of conflict during this time.[1] A later study, published in 2011, estimated that approximately 500,000 Iraqis had died as a result of the conflict since the invasion.[2] Counts of deaths reported in newspapers collated by projects like the Iraq Body Count project found 174,000 Iraqis reported killed between 2003 and 2013, with between 112,000-123,000 of those killed being civilian noncombatants."
Yeah, Hillary is the evil incompetent foreign policy CIC nightmare. Fucking dopes.
>>707125926
Again, impeachable vs unimpeachable.
>>707121458
>Assange
>stands up for the US constitution
>stands up for the 4th amendment
>sides with the people
->informs murricans their government is acting unconstitutionally against them
>dumbfuck murricans: He mus b a terst then! Durrr git im!
You are no American, you're anti-american.
May patriots water the tree of liberty with your blood.
>>707121171
No. The October Surprise is that the sum total of Trump's degenerate behavior has finally gone over the top. Party leaders are telling him to fuck off. His "advisors" are Rudy Giuliani, Chris Christie, and Newt Gingrich - three of the biggest losers on the planet. The October Surprise will solidify during Sunday night's debate. Watch history unfold. He's going full retard tomorrow!
>>707125926
But it isn't bushes war, once he's out of office, nothing that happens is his fault.
>>707121171
What is truly fascinating is observing what it takes for the supporters of this guy to finally say enough. Is this what candidates are going to be like from now on; knowing they can say or do almost anything with little blowback?
>>707126356
I never said he was a terrorist, and I have no problem with wikileaks. I'm just saying his project is a left wing sandbox. Can you please go blow your bf instead of being verbose in this thread?
>>707125926
>Bush: the guy who destabilized the shithole, and caused a death count that has to be state do in a fucking paragraph:
>"Various scientific surveys of Iraqi deaths
Are you under the impression Benghazi is in Iraq?
>>707126537
The GOP realized, hey we're never going to get enough people on board as the party of William F Buckley, so they started pandering to lowest common denominator plebs, pulled the religious away from optimistic love to bigoted hate, and when that started running out of gas, became the party of stupid, with Joe the plumber and Joe six pack, and endless Hollywood celebrity politicians. It's no surprise it's ending with a reality tv personality laying waste to the flayed and charred remains of they had me with Buckley, but it's been a downward slide ever since, and at this point, it's so self destructed itself it needs to fully crash and burn before it can be reborn into something where a fucking Ted Cruz or a God damn Newt or Giuliani no longer have a presence or voice whatsoever,
>>707126903
>bserving what it takes for the supporters of this guy to finally say enough
Well, some banter in a bus 10 years ago isnt really such a big deal though.
>>707127244
Jesus Christ anon. How did Arab Spring happen?
It just, came out of fucking nowhere. Like fell out of the sky and landed on our faces huh.
>>707127434
Whereas the Democrats decided to cater to the highest denominator, angry blacks, hispanics and feminazis. And they are surging in high numbers, at least until society can't support them anymore.
>>707121751
>Russia bombs the fuck out of terrorists while US sells them weapons and trains them
>Asange risks his life to expose unjust unconstitutional actions against innocent Americans by your own gov
>while you have done fuck all for yourself or others
>theyre with the terrorists
both are more pro-American than any of you faggots
>>707127709
>How did Arab Spring happen?
Higher food prices due to biofuels taking up crops were felt across the world. And hungrier people are angrier people. In Tunisia some guy felt cucked for being shafted and slapped by some policewoman, and set himself on fire. This was the start of the "arab spring" which was basically just islamists who got some traction in the area.
>>707127444
some banter?
saying all women are worthless sluts? when women make up more than 50% of the worlds population? good one idiot
>>707128321
They are though.
>>707128321
>saying all women are worthless sluts?
Show me in the transcript where he said that
>>707127792
They used to appeal to all southerners. When the GOP took the white religious vote away, blacks and minorities were what was left there.
>>707127444
And bragging about setting a pedophile free is. Lol
>>707128201
kek
Did you know Vietnam war was started over the pricing of lightbulbs? Totally true story. You'd like that one too.
>>707121171
It's not over yet... There's another month to go. I have a feeling the REAL surprise is yet to come.
the October surprise is that the DNC has gotten down cucking the american people to a T. You ever notice these pussies always vote for democrats, on their promises and never realize they are getting cucked? Think about obama, that "hope and change" it was going to rain liberal cum all over and black people would be better off than they ever were. And they still voted him a second time... Fuck look at detroit! they keep voting democrats because they believe they are going to make their lives better. I feel bad for these people. Especially those bernie sanders supporters. They watched hillary skull fuck sanders like a little whore. He took it, they took it, and they all became hillary's bitch. All because they dont understand what a real boss is. Bunch of faggits.
>>707128579
I think you are the first one to mention that stupid shit in this thread, you idiot.
>>707128695
Food prices had a real impact on the unrest in North Africa, much more so than Iraq. Deal with it, retard.
>>707121171
Anyone have the original of this?
>>707128714
When Trump is finally revealed to be running so badly simply to walk Hillary into the Oval Office as anyone looking at this shitshow of an election racket from a step back has been suspecting from day 1?
>>707128201
>How did Arab Spring happen?
>Higher food prices due to biofuels taking up crops
lol
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>>707129002
How the fuck has only one of 20 posters heard about the Podesta e-mails?
That's the October surprise. They started releasing them yesterday and are going to keep releasing them through October.
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/
>>707129250
What do you think is wrong with that statement? Apart from the fact you didnt read newspapers back then.
as an ausfag, looking at this debate, hillary is going to win. but god i hope that trump does because it would finally prove to even america itself how much of a shit hole country it has become.
usa is no better than most third world countries these days.
makes me kek hard.
>>707121171
This is all so funny to me because so many of the same libtards complaining about trump (a rich man) talking about getting vagina have also picked up 50 shades of grey but have no problem with that type of thing.
TRUMP 2016!
>>707129368
That's not what caused the Arab Spring. That's just a thing that happened around the same time.
>>707129334
>How the fuck has only one of 20 posters heard about the Podesta e-mails?
Because Assange did such a horrifyingly bad job at promoting the leak.
>>707128835
>chuck cuck cuck
>dat chicken speak
Try formulating a sentence that actually contains an idea sometime, instead of just repeating whatever you see the 12yo on here doing.. Just try it and see.
>>707121171
GRAB HER BY THE PUSSY
>>707129590
cuck
https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/
>>707129561
So people in North Africa were angry at their governments because of Iraq, and not the fact they could hardly afford to eat well. Is that what you are saying?
so many FAGGOT CUCKS in america who feel the need to APOLOGIZE for being MEN: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXD_-K-UNMk
>>707121171
Yes, problem is half the people who vote are women.
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>>707129570
Samefag much?
>>707121171
got any sauce on the pic?
>>707129707
No dude, I'm not saying a bunch of obvious crap loosely resembling your recollection of reality in a way that is clearly beneficial to you. Actually, I was disagreeing with you.
>>707129957
Not this time, CTR.
>>707121171
This fags trying too hard to be the trillionaire rob ford
>>707130053
>>What exactly is it you are disagreeing with?
>NO YUOR WRONG!!!!!
kk, whatever. Bye idiot.
>>707129334
Nobody gives a fuck anymore.
Hillary could have been planning to personally take over six different countries for herself, or cure cancer in her spare time, and the people would still be just as committed yet disgusted that they have to go vote for her on account of the GOP failing to do its job again and prevent the fourteen year old btards on the internet from picking the candidate.
Literally the electoral college will not support him nor will the Supreme Frickin Court, without either of whom he has no chance to actually get the job.
>>707121171
The best part of this whole thing is you libtards probably would have laughed at trumps statements 8 years ago. LOL
>>707126356
He is Australian.....
>>707129826
Don't bother watching, vid is fucking cringe
>>707130278
I totally agree, Donald Trump is a spoiler vote and his short-sighted followers are ruining this election for Gary Johnson.
>>707129368
oh fuck you're actually serious
wwwow.
>>707130561
>MFW GARY JOHNSON
What's allepo?
Look at me be dumb.
Who's my favorite figure, IDK.
>>707121171
if Clinton brings it up in next debate, Trump should say "I Did Not Have Sexual Relations With That Woman", with a billy boy voice
>>707121458
>Assange
>left wing lunatic
>releases documents destroying Feinstein
>Obama, Hillary, & Kerry all want him dead for treason
>releases docs damaging to Hillary and her campaign for president anyway
Yeah a real lefty party man, there
>>707130806
This. Trump needs to tell his spin doctors to stfu and start bringing some banter and hi jinx to the presidential debate.
>>707130687
Hi, CTR. Did you know Hillary Clinton doesn't recall how classification works? She certainly doesn't recall voter intimidation is federal crime.
Sure, Trump is a chode, but is anyone else a little concerned about the fact that foreign activists with unknown motivations and affiliations can seriously influence the elections of the world's most powerful republic? Like I get that Trump is a bad idea and all, but isn't it more than a little worrying to have a new power player who can steer the fates of great nations using nothing more than information they claim to have obtained from the political players?
>>707121171
source?
>>707131200
No, if they weren't doing illegal and unethical shit no one would pay attention to WikiLeaks.
Obama charged a famous whistleblower with treason, man. They know what they're doing, they hide what they're doing, and without groups like WikiLeaks most people wouldn't believe our government was being so pointlessly evil.
>>707131083
Good, then she won't be bothered when NRA fags show up armed at the polls asking people who they're voting for and haraunging them when they say anything other than republican gain.
Seriously faggot, damn near every instance of voter fraud has geen in the GOPs favor.
>>707131654
"Friends don't let friends vote for Donald Trump" -Hillary Clinton.
>>707131510
Right so they're corrupt. No surprise to anyone with two brain cells to rub together. What concerns me more is who might be behind Assange, attempting to destabilize the American republic. There are PLENTY of people with everything to gain by our diminishment, and as much as our system is corrupt, the alternatives are almost universally worse...
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>>707131200
Not really. USA wants to have its hand in every country in the worlds business, militaries, and politics, then its only a matter of time before some countries start returning the favor.
After South Americans and Asians kill about a dozen of our democratically elected presidents and their families with carbombs in public, we can officially begin to bitch about being treated unfairly. Until then, they're not even getting even, they're barely beginning to catch up.
>>707121171
That's kinda shitty the Clinton campaign is using that shit compared to what Bill has done in the past to women.
>>707132013
How is living in the 1930s dumbass?
>>707132206
Yeah an eye for an eye and all that shortsighted shit ... I guess that's fair enough, but who moves in to occupy the power vacuum left by a crippled United States? Will they be better? For all the US's failings they're not draconian the way the Chinese or Russians are.
Perhaps I'm being naive, but someone must be Top Dog and as evil empires go, the United States is pretty benign.
>>707132465
Who do you suppose will be the better alternative, my friend?
>>707132013
WikiLeaks publishes information from any hacker if they think the docs are legitimate and there's a prurient public interest.
No one has to be behind them for a foreign government to hack the DNC on purpose and then give the docs to WikiLeaks for publishing.
Not that hacking is expensive. Practically anyone can do it with the knowhow and most places don't practice more than basic security.
>>707132206
All true, but i don't know why you bother, anonbro.
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>>707132465
How is it being underage and unable to string a salient argument together?
>>707132013
>as much as our system is corrupt, the alternatives are almost universally worse
100yo /btard located
Oldnigger, you're going to be surprised as fuck when you get up off that couch and discover the world hasn't been sitting still, and this country hasn't had the "best system" of anything in 3 generations, and even that was pretty fucking spotty and damn short-lived.
>>707132605
Okay that's a fine sentiment, but the reality is that Julian Assange is not rotting in some Gulag because a foreign government offered him asylum. That gives whoever is harboring him INCREDIBLE leverage over him, and if they do not themselves have an agenda, they may be susceptible to someone ELSE who is bigger and badder who does. You're a fool if you think Assange and what he might know wasn't an intelligence bonanza for every secret agent in the world ... doubly so if he actually knows shit that is a for-real smoking gun.
So the potential is created for him to be used as a pawn, with his safety and freedom held over his head. He is prompted to release information at critical moments in the political cycle of the world's pre-eminent superpower, in order to steer it's elections this way or that.
Maybe I'm an alarmist, but none of this is implausible if you know anything about foreign relations and the machinations of intelligence services.
>>707133044
Give me the goddamn better alternative my brother, and I will be your first convert
>>707133044
>and this country hasn't had the "best system" of anything in 3 generations, and even that was pretty fucking spotty and damn short-lived.
I got to say, after reading what people are writing with such cinviction that they are correct, I lost all faith in democracy as a system. And millennials are fucking retarded as fuck, they will be the death of democracy world wide.
>>707133224
Ecuador is harboring him. Ecuador, man, Ecuador. Listen to yourself, would the person who trusts you the most in the world buy this line of reasoning?
Also, I am sad that I had to grow up in a world where people like Julian Assange and Edward Snowden would be rotting in a Soviet style Gulag, if not straight up drone striked, if they hadn't managed to get political asylum in places that Obama doesn't have the balls to bomb.
That's it. That's the only reason our President doesn't execute an Australian citizen and an American citizen, because they made him look bad.
>>707132667
I don't either.
What passs for "history" education in this country is so horrendously incomplete and always self-serving it reads like a straight up propaganda piece. I almost can't blame us fir not knowing shit about the rest of the world, when we're taught nothing and told it's everything. Most seem to have no idea there's anything TO learn.
Everyone in this thread is talking about Assange as if he was an American patriot, when he is an angst Australian that doesn't care about the U.S. what so ever.
>>707133968
>foreigner
>possible rapist
>doesn't give a shit about anyone
>The hero we deserve
>>707121171
It was a total of 8 guys on that bus
>>707133968
>Everyone in this thread is talking about Assange as if he was an American patriot
I honestly think it's just one guy who has him pegged as the protector of the constitution.
>>707133291
1. Look at map
2. See how many countries there are
3. Pick a place
4. Go there
5. Realize how gullible you've been
6. Become an annoying dickhead telling everyone at parties you've been places and seen that there are other ways to live and much happier lives and the importance of working yourself to death and the role of government in your life is actually not what gives life value
>be predictable as fuck bc that's what happens to most everyone eventually
>unless engineer, in which case, enjoy your ocd/autism misplaced hopelessness
Pick someplace sunny.
>>707133552
I hope you're right. Ecuador has been traditionally pro-American, so perhaps he was left to go there as a half-measure. Outside the reach of the US so it would not be too easy to murder him, but inside our sphere of influence so we could keep the opportunists away.
My point is larger, though. Even if he is operating entirely on his own initiative, he could potentially exert a tremendously disproportianate influence on the course of a nation of 320 million, who lead the way for hundreds of millions of more in the western sphere of influence. It's a somewhat unsettling prospect. Perhaps his motivation is just to tell the truth, and if so, hooray for all. But if it's not, then he is in a position of incredible power to do whatever he likes, with little oversight.
>>707134165
whatevs, banter on a bus with some guys. Same difference.
>>707134300
> revealing he feels that women are objects
I understand why you don't see why this is big
>>707133527
We don't have a democracy anyway.
It's a Federal Republic.
>>707134225
You are startlingly naive. There will always be a 600 lb Gorilla in the world. The best you can do is choose the least dangerous one with the most agreeable ideaology. The notion that any nation in the world could better provide for a stable world is absolutely inane. There are in fact only a tiny handful of nations with the ability to exert that kind of dominance, and we can name them easily: The United States. The People's Republic of China. PERHAPS a resurgent Russia. That's essentially it. The European Union is too busy trying to successfully integrate itself; perhaps in time they too will constitute a great power bloc but only if they lose their aversion to warfare.
So of those 3 I named, who would you rather be the great power?
>>707134580
Nope. Straw man right off the bat and you're out.
>>707129334
So she lied about being an idealist and is actually the moderate everyone took her for, and that's a big deal? She wasn't fooling anyone but the general retard population when she started copying Bernie's rhetoric.
>>707134236
That goes back to what I said at first. WikiLeaks couldn't influence the election if they didn't have election-influencing dirt. It's a product of the scandal, not anything about what WikiLeaks does or how it works.
There's proof on the WikiLeaks website, BTW. They've published millions of pages of leaks in the last 10 years and if you go through the lists, you've never heard of 99% of them, because nobody cares so nobody talks about them.
Not that there is any shortage of things to be terrified of in this election, but I just think WikiLeaks is tangential at best to anything.
Whoever hacked Podesta would have released them anyway. WikiLeaks' main contribution is that their stamp of approval gives legitimacy and weight versus Podesta claiming the whole lot is a Russian conspiracy/hoax.
>>707134836
I'm not sure you know what that means...
Do you suppose another power bloc may arise that I have not envisaged? If so, can you name them and explain how that might be possible?
>>707134499
>he feels that women are objects
All people are objects. We are all physical bodies. We contain matter.
I guess you are in some way trying to say he dehumanizes all women by saying he likes to touch pussy if they let him. Your point is pretty much a platitude.
>>707134852
Ten to fifteen years ago I thought Hillary Clinton was part of a radical, pro-Bush fringe in the Democratic party. So did a lot of people in 2008. It's so weird people think she's centrist when she's actively trying to court Republicans and won't back down on her promises to invade Syria and regulate video games as pornography.
>>707121171
>Was the October surprise some raunchy locker room banter between two guys?
Was it a surprise? I'm moderately shocked he's actually apologizing. I just assumed this was par the course for his persona.
Yes, it was raunchy macho-ism dick-waving on Trumps part. An extension of his confidence-man con-game. It's just this time he was pulling the "I'm sexually confident" play. Maybe he wasn't fully cognizant that he was being recorded.
REGARDLESS if this fit some sort of stereotypical bullshiting, this isn't the sort of bahaviour we expect out of a president. We're reaching that point where EVERYTHING a candidate has ever done will be recorded for all time, and we need to get ready for that. But this wasn't something he did when he was 14. Or 20. Or 30. He was a dirty old man. Because he IS a dirty old man with no social sense beyond "I'm winning".
>>707135234
>copypasta
>>707134918
Yes yes, you are right of course, my point is that ALL governments are corrupt. It is not avoidable. So while everything they may know or say about the US and it's political class are true, they are almost certainly true of similar people in most any country. Except the US is not just any country, they are the one who currently dominates the state of the world.
So by specifically hurling mud at US politicians, by attempting to influence the elections this way or that, they are destabilizing a republic that is already, alas, very polarized and tenuous. And if the US descends into paralysis and internecine struggle, some other power will move in to fill the void. And looking at the Great Powers of the world today, none of them are populated by men of more virtue and righteousness. Less so, I think. Their hegemony will be LESS AGREEABLE to the world in the end, than ours was. Does this make sense?
>>707135234
>g, this isn't the sort of bahaviour we expect out of a president.
you prefer a president who is shitting herself and falling over while going into a car?
>>707135420
Yeah, our golden age is over already. That's why I'm voting Johnson.
The Democrats ruined this country's future.
The Republicans ruined this country's future.
Both claim they're saving us from disaster because they haven't finished us off yet.
>>707130278
Yeah, pretty much this.
It's so bad. Such a colossal clusterfuck that part of me wants to believe that we as a whole aren't actually this incompetent. That somehow Trump is a sleeper agent working for Hilary.
That they had some backroom deal.
>Hey, Donny, if I can beat Sanders, you know what would really cinch this election for me? If you somehow disrupted the GOP and attracted all their crazy voters.
HA, that's a good one Hil. Why would I do that?
>Gets you back in the spotlight. You could sell a book. Even if you get shot down, if you rallied all the inbred racist hicks, it could cause Bush or Cruz to lean out to the right to attract the crazy vote back to themselves. And I can use those sound-bites in the general election.
>uuuuhhh... Ok Donald. That's enough. You can drop out of the race now.
I'M TRYING! I'm not sure how much more crazy shit I can shove out my mouth, they still like me!
...Hey, maybe I could actually swing this.
>Donald. What are you doing? DON'T YOU DARE!
>>707135683
It's only over if we let it be over, my dude. Our failure of nerve is what will guarantee our downfall. Love your country, love what it represents, be real about it's failings and limitations but support it as best you can.
It has always been an experiment, our democracy; we are always greatly outnumbered by tyrannies. But it's worth fighting for, because as shameful as our conduct can be, the conduct of the aristocrats, and oligarchs, and tyrants are limitless and well-attested to in our history as a species.
>>707135435
>And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything.
is very different from
>they can't do anything because you are famous.
>>707134236
>he could potentially exert a tremendously disproportianate influence on the course of a nation of 320 million
You could say it's his influence on the country, or you could say the influence of the US government on the country. If they didn't want indiscriminate 4th amendment breeches affecting the election, maybe they shouldn't have done it. But they did the crime, so, that influence is just.
>who lead the way for hundreds of millions of more in the western sphere of influence. It's a somewhat unsettling prospect
It shouldn't be. We still don't know that the tiny gaggle of self-important unelected dickbags who decided it would be our role to "lead the way" (not that anyone today feels much like following our lead anywhere anymore) were smart or right to d dude that, or that it's been the best possible option for us or the world, but that worldview sure has left a trail of carnage and destruction in its wake through nearly every other country on earth.
It's romantic to assume our self-importance is righteous and divine, but not realistic whatsoever, past, present, or future.
As fun as Absolute Power fantasies are my here is a damn good case being made that one country out acting like they're running the world unopposed hasn't been good for the world nor that country, in the long run.
>>707135186
Centrist means you have views from both sides of the spectrum, and you seek to actually get things done through compromise on both sides as well. She's got some pretty conservative economic policies too (as does/did her husband). But I could point out nearly just as many bleeding heart, progressive stances she championed even included in these latest emails, like her vision for a green-powered, open border, open trade world economy.
I'd love to hear her justifications for wanting to drag us into Syria more, but other than that I'm still feeling the centrist. Also I was under the impression video games were already treated the same as pornography. I couldn't buy rated M games at Gamestop without my parents there until Halo 3, when I hit 6'1" and grew enough of a beard to look 18. Could you explain that one a little more?
>>707135460
FDR was alright. And her vice president looks like a winner. I'm fine if she croaks.
Because compared to these two candidates, a brain-dead vegetable looks like a good choice.
If u vote for Donald Trump then you are a SHIT human being
>>707136457
My brother, I sympathize greatly with your sentiment.
"Wherever the standard of freedom and independence has been or shall be unfurled, there will her heart, her benedictions and her prayers be. But she goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own. She will recommend the general cause, by the countenance of her voice, and the benignant sympathy of her example."
Oh yes, this is the true sentiment of a righteous republic. But the world has come very far since then; even then, when empires bestrode the globe, it was perhaps naive. There MUST be a dominant force. There always will be. You must decide who you think will best take that stewardship. I do not believe the world today offers a more positive alternative than the United States. I wish it were otherwise.
>>707136526
>Centrist means you have views from both sides of the spectrum,
No, a centrist would be for compromise with no extreme views one way or the other.
If you pick and choose your political views from across the spectrum that means you can form an independent view without being swayed by partisan politics. "Rational"? Maybe? Or just fucking crazy. You could want all school teachers to be armed and ALSO want to ban single-action firearms.
>>707136821
Fair enough. Aside from the weird pro-war stances, I'd have to label Clinton as "rational" from everything I've heard/read about her stances, though.
I've never been good with labels. Honestly I'd enjoy it if we could stick to the simple ones like "rational" and "irrational," so we could ignore the stupid folk and have conversations on just the issues and our responses to them.
>>707136588
Bottom line!
>>707137388
>>707136588
He is our Cleon of Athens
woe betide the democracy
If he is not him, then he is setting the mould for others who will follow, and be Cleon
>>707137358
He's just arguing semantics, labels mean nothing this election.
I'm pretty sure it was Clinton who established the American dollar standard in the 90's, Hillary has been pro war ever since then.
But now it's more than economic investment, they tried to topple Assad because of the Russian-Iranian-Syrian triforce gaining traction. I'm fucking worried what she'll do if she gets in.
>>707137679
Trump will be our Solon, mark my words.
>>707121171
>spend 8 months ridiculing trump and trump voters for being obvious retards
>nae really a fan of Hillary but publicly put on the best face I can for her ancient saggy ass
>no Bernie tho... :/
>deep inside
>only I know
>when I go into the voting booth and draw the curtain
>I'm going to wince, but,
>gonna vote trump
you'll never get me to admit it though you fascists
>>707137863
I read a headline on some click bait site that Putin is putting the Russian people through nuclear strike drills and they have bunkers set up for 12 million people. Can you verify or deny, current event anon?
>>707138214
No, it's true. And I'm pretty sure it was like 40 million.
What they probably didn't mention is that Russia has done this every year since 2012. It's something America should probably start, but is afraid it would scare the public too much.
>>707121171
It was and it was released so the media has an excuse not to talk about the recent posts on wikileaks about Hillary.
>>707138077
Gods bless you for your optimism, mate
>>707136818
Yeah, the world changed since the 1700s
And the us changed too
And the world changed again
And the us changed again
And now the worlds been busy changing
And the us is trying to hold on to power and keep it the same
And that's not been working out for anyone for some time, and they're all starting to change again.
>>707137863
I'm so confused. Is it fear of other countries becoming as powerful as the US that drives people like her? Or is it just power/money gluttony that drives them? I no longer see any reason for humans to pursue war unless in complete self defense/preservation or to protect the vested interests of the few over the many.
>>707138351
I also heard, while in engineering school, that we have a missile defense system over America that's had 100% accuracy in all tests, and is designed to shoot down even nukes.
I'm more doubtful about this one, mostly because I doubt it's been tested against the sheer number of ICBM's that would fly at once while all our cybersystems would simultaneously be attacked and dismantled.
Really though, can't we all just be less shitty to one another?
>>707138489
It's not? The squabbles on the fringes remain a constant. But there's not been a world war in 72 years. A casual glance at history reveals what a rarity that is. The fact that the world fought TWO ruinous wars of annihilation in the 20th century and then has not seen destruction on that scale since is informative. Yes, war persists, yes civil wars and guerilla wars are endemic ... in some places. But the wholesale slaughter of whole generations of people waged by the nations with the most ferocious weapons have ceased, for some time now. We have, for the time being, put the Genie back in the bottle. The future after WW2 has NOT been a continuation of the great struggles of the early-mid 20th century. The burn is much slower.
That is not perfect, no. But it is an improvement.
>>707121171
I usually talk locker room when i'm grabbing the pussy.
>>707138640
I'm not gonna pretend to have the answers, but the answer is almost always money.
When America switched oil to the dollar standard (from gold), it was a brilliant economic move.
But when you get countries trying to switch back to gold (Libya, Iraq), it requires military investment to maintain hegemony.
Isolated situations like that are basically a nuisance so long as you have the publics support for the war (Saddam and Gaddafi are brutal dictators, etc.), but when you get something like Syria, it gets a lot more...sticky.
Syria was a purely geopolitical move to protect American interests in the region (maintain American supremacy over the Middle East) and America took a big risk by associating themselves with the rebels, who are about as bad as ISIS.
And when Russia enters the field you basically have a recipe for global war.
>>707138351
I'm old enough to have done that as a kid.
Mandatory Russian language course in 7th & 8th grade as well. Entire area was built by post-war German immigrants. They didn't want us to not be able to communicate with our invaders, & suffer the same fate as their friends & neighbors did back in Germany.
Keep in mind, Russia & USA each had 70,000 nukes aimed at each other's cities, civil & military institutions, and centers of power. Every naval asset, every Air Force asset, all the way down to cities of just 10,000 people. All could have been wipe out in a simultaneous detonation and nearly were several times in false alarms and accidents.
Terrorism is nothing compared to an anti-US Russia.
Hillary is far more dangerous than trump, considering their stances on Russia.
>>707139063
No, that is absurd. It is not nearly that accurate, but here's the thing: it doesn't need to be. Nuclear war strategy has changed over time. Where once the thinking was "Counter-value", i.e. nuke their cities and murder as much of their population at once as you can, now the thinking is "counter-force", which means nuking their military as hard as you can and leaving their civilian centers exposed to be used in effect as hostages.
If you have a missile shield that is even 50% effective, you can assure that enough of YOUR military survives to remain a threat to your enemy, while your enemy (who lacks any kind of defense) has had his military reduced to a complete ineffective shambles.
This is the crux of the fear some nations have of the United States' progress toward ICBM interception.
So is anyone going to start circulating the "Vote Hillary November 9th" macros or what?
>>707139063
I think what you're talking about is NORAD, it's fairly well known and is cooperative between Canada and America. It was designed to intercept nukes coming over the Arctic.
Not sure if it's capable of shooting one down, but I know that the system was incredibly good at detecting incoming missiles.
>>707139535
LIBTARD DETECTED
>>707139257
I've decided I like your glass-half-full optimism, and am going to adopt it for tonight.
>>707139583
God damn. That's very sobering realities to have to deal with at a young age.
>>707137358
>I'd have to label Clinton as "rational" from everything I've heard/read about her stances, though.
Yeah, officially her stance and platform is ok.
But I'm not really sure what her REAL platform actually is. I think she's a crooked politician with no real ethics and a desire to acquire as much power as possible. For a while, it was certainly the best path towards gaining political power for her to beat the democrat drum. Once she's at the top? I have no idea what she wants. Other than more power. Which probably means an expansion of the presidential powers, expanding the wiretap programs, getting dirt on all her political opponents, assassinating Putin, and either undermining China or sucking their cock hard enough to let her get some power over there.
Her actions have been quite rational if you realize her goal is to acquire power.
Labels suck because that which can be labeled can be hated. For most people they hear X-ism and it's a thought stopper. "Oh, we can't let THEM get into power".
>>707136526
Clinton's plan was (failed in Congress, similar found unconstitutional in California before) to have the ESRB ratings mandated by law and selling to minors at all would be a felony offense. M rated games would have to have their covers blocked on the shelf like porno mags.
Her rationale behind this was that video games caused moral degeneracy which caused school shootings. You can't make this stuff up.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Family_Entertainment_Protection_Act
>>707140061
>But when you get countries trying to switch back to gold (Libya, Iraq), it requires military investment to maintain hegemony.
>>707140061
>LIBTARD DETECTED
HAHA, wut? Tell me again who unilaterally invated Iraq?
Oh, hey, you're gonna tell me that the Democrats secretly fostered the Arab Spring, eh? Sure. Sure. Tell another one.
>>707137358
Everyone is a rational actor. That just means we have reasons for why we do things. If we want to be adults about politics we have to think of it in the nuanced, slippery terms that reflects the complexity of the situation.
Reducing everything into a moral crusade of who has the highest high ground has been a fun game, but we have problems to fix. No one wants to pay for them to invest millions in overturning Roe v Wade or stopping the Keystone Pipeline anymore.
>>707140169
Nazdrovia, my dude
drink and be merry
nah, hilldog will reveal stuff about his and jeffrey epsteins dealings tomrrow night. Bill told her all he knew.
>>707139583
>>707139583
>Hillary is far more dangerous than trump, considering their stances on Russia.
Completely agree. We have no reason to be picking a fight with Russia on the hope and a prayer that FSA can make a secular republic friendly to the US in Syria to isolate Iran.
>>707140794
I'm this guy
>>707139535
And you can really only compare Clinton to past members of the parties, because Trump is absolutely alien to the GOP, and politics in general.
Clinton follows the democrat platform of progressivism at home and imperialism abroad, whereas Trump has his own brand of isolationism globally and convservativism/centrism at home.
oc
>>707129826
your boy is getting his shit pushed in. your impotent rage makes me rock hard
>>707139780
NORAD was the command center in the springs decommissioned in about 2000. They gave tours of it afterward, til 9/11. It was a city in a hollowed out mountain, floating on a giant bed of springs isolated from attacks.
It was old Cold War James Bond shit. We don't really do that kind of thing anymore. It's needlessly expensive.
He's talking about any in the continual string of measure-/countermeasure race in the nuke defense arms race against Russia. Every 3 months there's a new innovation out, and 3months later we beat it, then they beat ours, etc etc etc.
The one thing that overwhelms all of them is STILL plain old brute force attacks with multiple decoys though. Straight out of the 1960s playbook. Drop 10 icbms over a ship, two of which are hot, and that ships toast. Same with theirs.
Russia is smart. W have a giant, maintenance heavy, labor intensive, costly, standing army full of mostly outdated planes and ships, ensnared in a birds nest of policy and alliance obligations. Russia, on the other hand, keeps a cheap, medium sized army of thugs on hand for beating up is neighbors in little disputes, and for dealing with the entire prospect of a superpower conflict, devotes a tiny sum of cash to a small but overpowered nuke program, now expanding again and funded by china.
Russia needs only one plan for a battle against a superpower, and that's total instantaneous destruction. Pretty good plan.
>>707141848
We spend more on the military than we ever did in the Cold War accounting for inflation. It's needlessly expensive and both Trump and Clinton want to ignore the debt and spend even more.
Trump wants to bomb weaker countries than Clinton does, FWIW.
>>707122409
Fuck, I want that hat.
>>707140581
That's stupid. But I only ever download my games and own them on the cloud now anyway, so I guess I don't give a shit. Definitely seems very conservative Christian tho.
>>707140555
I was happy when these "EMAIL LEAKS" turned out to just reveal some very down-to-earth stances by her. It was weird to me that she even bothered to hide that stuff until I remembered Bernie would've won if she hadn't. You're pretty right, by my estimation. I would vastly prefer a system of government that focuses on one issue at a time, gave various plans for it, and voted on the best plan without partisan lines. You know, a system based in logic and reasoning as it happened in real time, rather than letting people sneak all kinds of shit into bills, etc. But then it'd be harder to mask the illicit power grabs and all, so I guess I get why it is what it is.
>>707139592
>>707139780
I love technology. This is one of the few wartime inventions I completely approve of. It's purely defensive and not destructive, but extremely efficient in acting as a violence deterrent too. That's super fucking rare.
>>707139535
Honestly, I just want us to get to a point where we run on green energy, have controlled population numbers through law and implementation of preventative contraceptives and surgeries, and have food, water, and shelter worked out for everyone in a sustainable way. After that, I really don't care what people do to gain power, as long as it doesn't blow us all up. The rest of us will focus on maintenance of the systems in place, the arts, the sciences, and exploring the universe. We're actually ridiculously close, is the frustrating thing. All this petty shit keeps us from coming together to do it though.
>>707121171
Do you know Bill?
Bill will stump Hillary and the Democrats.
>>707121171
i need OP's original pic.
>>707142499
perhaps it does and perhaps it doesn't
the trouble with missile shields is that it creates a scenario where quantities of nuclear weapons that can be delivered by space rocket are no longer a guarantee of effectiveness
So Russia, for example, is put in a position of weakness and insecurity, knowing their ICBMs can no longer present an effective deterrent, where their submarine fleet (always inferior) now rusts at anchor, while the US has it's missiles and a missile shield, and free reign of the seas with sub-launched ballistic missiles that give you 5 minutes of warning before your installations start disappearing.
This creates an environment where the "first strike" scenario starts becoming more attractive to the power with sea dominance and a missile shield. Whether or not those leaders are really considering that, the guy on the losing end of that balance of power becomes ever more nervous and might do something fucking stupid.
An example of their lesser stupid reaction: invasion and involvement in Ukraine. And Georgia. And little things on their border and who knows what else to come. All this adds up, and escalates.
>>707143484
ibretlik resimler (?)
>I just reverse image searched it
Oh, also
>faggot
>>707143743
I wish it was really this simple, but I'm sure there's a lot more going on too. Otherwise we could just gift Russia a missile shield and be buds.
Hopefully one day people will realize we all just have to keep a fucking eye on our leaders and not let them get away with stupid shit. Then maybe peace will last for a while without impending doom always looming.
>>707144464
why in heaven's name would you give your foe a weapon to defend itself from you
whether it's a good idea or not, if one power gains a substantive advantage over the other, they will do all in their power to protect it
come on now try to understand humans a little bit. You can do better.
>>707144861
I understand humans relatively fine. I was joking. My point being that if I want to prove I mean someone no harm, I put my gun away, and if I want to become friends with them I give them a gun too, and teach them how to use it to watch my back as we confront other potential friends.
I know it would never actually work or even be a viable idea. The insinuation was if it was a simple situation there would likely be a simple solution.
I also played a non-warfaring species in Spore.
>>707141393
mind if i save?
>>707146131
Bless your heart anon, you're too kind for this world.
>>707144861
I believe this anon subscribes to the "Blood Meridian" and "Storm of Steel" school of thought, that man inherently enjoys violence. Correct me if I'm wrong.
>>707147306
I also became an engineer to develop the skills necessary to design shit, so I can work on providing green energy, food, water, and shelter more readily and sustainably to everyone.
Brag on me more.
Fucking kek. Thanks anyway m8. I've been called worse things than "too kind." I really do think that's our path forward, tho. If we can just reach a sustainable point of consumption and level out there, then all other problems will seem smaller. When your needs are met, you get bored. When you're bored, you look to actually accomplish shit.
When all that's left to accomplish is improve our socio political structures and continue to advance science, we'll be in a much better place.
So for now, I at least have something to spend my life on. You know, in between my vidya and Chinese cartoons.
