What will you do after the inevitable victory of Hillary Clinton?
wake up
>>704746353
just kill yourself already, human failure
>>704746700
boom
>/thread
>>704746700
Grab a brush and put a little makeup
>>704746353
Laugh at all the dumb, poor Trumpfags
>>704746353
go on with my comfortable, safe life and hope the trumpfags don't riot
Nothing, she's only got a couple years left to live. Going to be in and out of the hospital for most of her term. Hopefully her VP will actually give a damn about the country though it is highly unlikely.
Nothing
Who ever her VP is will be the real president. She doesn't have long to live, she's old and sick as fuck.
>>704747453
and you know this how?
>>704746353
What about her platform do you guys like the most?
>>704747628
i got u anon
https://youtu.be/HoBL7fqOVcQ
Vascular dimensia
do a 360 and walk to another country
>>704747176
>shills gotta shill
>>704747722
>>704746353
wake up from the horrible nightmare.
>>704746353
Buy some beer and now shit is gonna change for 4 years. Pay more taxes, listen to the career politicians take a sigh as they're jobs are now locked for the remainder of their careers, wonder who else can pay to speak to our diplomats, know that all politicians are above the law - but the laws they pass only apply to us commoners, by an AR before they become banned come mid-Jan, watch AFrican American unemployment continue to climb, with unrestricted immigration increase and the PROPORTIONAL radical islamic violence increase.... but besides that, have a beer...
Celebrate, since that orange fucker didn't make it to be president
>>704747582
Isn't Trump older? Also, don't women live longer than men?
>>704747155
>poor
>Trump supporter
Err, Anon, you do realize how fucking backwards that is, right? The poor people are usually the ones that want more government in their lives, not less.
Prepare for America to dissolve into Germany. Witness hundreds of women and children get rapped by refugees. Later kill myself as the American dream falls into Sharia Law oppression.
>>704748634
Ummmm.... poor people want LESS government and more SOCIAL support...
>>704746353
hows she gonna win? whos votin' for her? you?
>>704746353
Laugh, as she inevitably dies of illness.......
>>704748289
Somehow I'm not convinced.
>>704748634
Nobody wants MORE government. That is simply rediculous....
>>704746353
Kekekekekekekekekekeke OP is so scared right now. Omg I am going to cum, hands free, when Donny J gets the Oval Office and the libcucks off themselves in record numbers
>>704748289
based on some quick "research" it appears that politifact has an extreme liberal bias, so of course it has these results. Also, Hillary Clinton is a compulsive liar so its a dead giveaway when she gets such a low score.
>>704746353
1) Laugh at the Trumpfags
2) Do anything possible to get a better Democrat elected.
This election should be a wake up call to everyone.
>>704746353
Just roll over and take it like the last 8 years...
>>704748899
I'd like some more NASA please
>>704748776
social support is government intervention in their lives, therefore "more"
>>704748634
>>704748899
Apologies... I should cavet that... unless you're a career politician...
>>704748923
Actually they really don't. They've been accused of both conservative and liberal bias
>>704749247
Or a defense contractor
Rejoice. At least we were on the second darkest timeline instead of the first.
>>704749298
that just means you shouldn't trust "them" at all or regard their "facts" as truth
>>704749118
No, social programs are developed locally. Local civil leaders implement local social programs.
You mean more governance.
Federal Government - bad
State Government - good
You and I can effect local state government. We can't do shit to Federal Government and they're the ones getting larger!
everything that I love about America is thanks to "Government" Thank you for protecting me government, thank you for making sure I can't be taken advantage of or robbed, Thank you for not forcing me to work more than 40 hours a week. Thank you for establishing a minimum wage. thank you for providing me with roads and traffic signals, and sidewalks, and firemen, and policemen. I appreciate you, and I will work to strengthen you.
>>704749720
All this could be done at the State level.
You point is???
>>704749298
Don't even try. You simply cannot convince anyone that's in this "conservative" bubble of anything that doesn't fit with their agenda/narrative. Least of all with facts...just look at the relationship the right has with climate change.
>there's a reason Trump is the candidate of the poorly educated
Nothing I'm Canadian
>>704749553
Just like the anit-vaxxers don't trust the CDC. What a stupid fucking argument, but that's what you get when you are poorly educated.
>>704746353
Go on with my sad life knowing the world just got a great deal worse, but not as bad as it would have with the other guy.
>>704749928
than it would have. States competing for corporations by lifting regulations at the expense of people and the environment. It's called oversight. State Governments are not good enough on their own.
>>704749928
1: what difference does it make?
2: who gives a fuck.
>>704749628
agreed, i generalized "social support" as welfare, which is federally operated. i did not regard local assistance, my bad.
>>704749928
also the argument for "smaller government" usually is people wanting "less regulations" not a shift of power to the states.
>>704749029
I agree, partially, but I think the privatization of space travel would be more beneficial in the long run, and able to accomplish more without being dependent on election cycles.
>>704746353
Be happy cause no trump
>imma girl by the way
>down with the patriarchy
>>704748923
Can you please explain why you put "research" in quotes?
>>704749720
i don't have the willpower in me to even refute this stupid post
>>704750509
because it's ironic research
>>704750646
nice cop out, retard. sit down.
>>704750509
willy nilly google searches and brief examinations of sites, not founded or sourced at all. "research"
>>704748609
>don't women live longer than men?
Generally, but she has a lifetime of shit karma to answer for.
>>704750469
I definitely think a good combo of both would be good. The private sector will make getting to space easier and cheaper, and NASA will be able to spend more money on research, which will in turn benefit the private sector.
Is it legal for Hilary to nominate Chelsea as VP? The parody porn would spit hot fire.
>>704750996
It is agreed.
Have a shit ton of half black babies and collect welfare. Start smoking crack, i hear its a lot of fun.
>>704746353
Continue to prepare for the inevitable race war
>>704751353
>parody porn
You mean r34?
>>704751477
I want some crack as well, it's only fair.
>>704746353
was wondering where the CTR shills were
>>704748344
your failing at your job criminals
>>704748845
don't we all? Or were you planning to do us a favor and shoot yourself in your fat, retarded face?
>>704748150
are shill and cuck the only words you fucking idiots know? It's tiresome.
>>704748318
aww, poor baby, you didn't get what you wanted so life is a nightmare now. You got a rough future ahead of you, kid.
>>704746353
Wait for the recount
>>704748385
I'd recommend going back to school to learn how to write proper English sentences. English is the official language in 'Murica, is it not?
Pray someone shoots her so her VP can do the job.
With Trump, I'm just hoping he steps on a landmine while ingesting cyanide and radioactive isotopes of Burger King.
>>704752422
Proper grammar is frowned upon in /b/
>>704752600
>Pray someone shoots her so her VP can do the job.
v&
>>704746353
Move to New Zealand
>>704746353
its shill clock already? damn im late for dinner
anyway you faggots realize this bullshit blanket propaganda thing you got going on is only annoying people and not actually accomplishing anything right?
shes still losing polls
hell trumo just polled ahead in maine
fucking maine
>>704753173
To be fair, I'll do this if trump wins to...
So I'm just loving to New Zealand anyway.
>>704746353
Look forward to not much really changing over the next 4-8 years. She'll probably die in office and her VP will take over and do nothing noteworthy in his time.
>>704753291
Switzerland best choice if you can stand cold. >>704753173
>>704746353
Didn't her IT "specialist" just get outed on reddit
I shall laugh at the stupidity of the MuriKKKan electorate. You will get the government that you rightly deserve. You have been forcing your fake democracy on the rest of the world for three generation now and finally you will have it shoved up your own asses where it belongs.
>>704746353
PARTY!!!
CELABRATE!!!
>>704750212
Why not? What is so fundamentally different about state government vs federal government? Is it that the bureaucrat is just that much farther away and out of touch with the people he is supposed to be governing?
If you say the federal government has more money than you're dumb.
>>704753809
What are you implying?
>>704746353
Find you and kill you
>>704748065
Huh? If you turn around 360 degrees you're just walking back to the same spot
>>704748634
Yeah! He should have said "uneducated"!
>>704746353
Nobody is going to do anything. It will be business as usual all the way around.
Seriously. Besides Hilldog's push for anti 2A legislation and her ability to appoint library justices to the scotus, what the fuck is she actually going to do?
Fucking nothing. That's what. And I'd argue that those things (2A and scotus appointments), which I'm against btw, are inevitable anyway. Might as well get used to it even though it will have zero positive effect.
The country was lost to elites and the politicians they've bought years ago.
>>704753809
Oil is so 2012.
>>704754529
Liberal...
Fuck this phone.
>>704754529
Wait an actual non retarded answer on 4chan? Blasphemous
>>704754634
I should have disguised my response behind a few "niggers" and "cuck" remarks.
Fuck.
>>704748996
1) Laugh at the Trumpfags
2) Go to war against corrupt Democratic party
3) Replace destroyed Democratic party with an actual left-wing party dedicated to economic democracy
FTFY - unless the left gets rid of the corruption going on in its name, the people, being left without class consciousness, will turn to fascism in the hope of returning to a better past in which they had greater economic security.
"We may set it down as a historical law: fascism was able to conquer only in those countries where the conservative labor parties prevented the proletariat from utilizing the revolutionary situation and seizing power." - Trotsky
>>704746353
Bad news...the reason Trump is going to win is because the US people want change, not 4 years of the same nonsense.
>>704746353
Rant about how the Constitution is illegitimate due to it being constructed by a slaver elite and hope to raise class consciousness for future mass action. Hasta siempre la victoria!
>>704754916
Yea faggot no one takes your comments seriously unless it has one "derogatory" word in it. nigger
>>704755129
Glorious post, comrade
shes not going to win
>>704746353
I will personally assasssinate her and stream it live.
>>704746353
pray to illuminati reptillian god to live
>>704749553
It doesn't fit my narrative therefore it's bias. Fuck you conservative faggots that think your shit don't stink. Even if Trump gets elected liberals/ Democrats are going to do everything they can to obstruct Trump to make him a failure. Your guy threw 53% of the country's voters under the bus by his near constant autistic attacks on Obama for 5 years. If you think that Trump's going to magically fix everything think again. Congress doesn't have a supermajority. Conservatives still don't get it. liberals and Democrats aren't going anywhere and you have to compromise with the other half of the country.
>>704754934
The "left", corrupt or otherwise, suffers from the same thing the "right" does.
It's called ignorance.
But then again, the people who allow themselves to be lured and confused by these asshats are just as ignorant.
I've got news for you: your ideology is fucking not going to solve the world's problems and create universal fairness and prosperity. Nothing is trickling up or down except bullshit.
Humans seem to have two conditions. Winners and losers. There will be winners (maybe you're one of the lucky few), but there's always going to be a whole lot of fucking losers.
Get used to it.
What a circus this election has been. The world is laughing at your presidential candidates, America.
I hope you idiots actually vote in Trump. It'll be the best 4 years ever. Unless he gets impeached or something.
>>704746353
I will live the next 8 years comfortable in the fact that Trump never had his chance to start a nuclear war.
>>704755001
Oh except you forgot the other half of the country that's voting for Hillary. Trump has pissed so many people off that nobody is going to work with him to pass his legislation. More executive orders right? The same bullshit you criticize Obama for. Hypocrisy.
>>704755967
Spoken like a true bourgeois liberal. Get ready to hang with the rest of the ruling class.
>>704756001
>implying im not behind a million proxies and firewalls
>>704755533
Have fun in prison /b/ro
>>704756293
Im willing to die if i take her with me
>>704756242
Understood like a typical mindless fool.
Get used to disappointment in your life.
>>704748150
>being so insecure with your beliefs that the only thing you can say to people that disagree with you is that they're paid off
>>704756242
>The ruling class
I alone can fix it.
-Donald (faggot) Trump
>>704755731
Let do this, but with the idea that career politicians no longer deciding the election. Let the people be heard...
>>704755533
Proof that the alt-right are terrorists.
You're already on a watch list, Junior.
Protip: and so is your family by association
>>704746353
Emigrate.
>>704755383
Onward to victory, comrade. Capitalism is in crisis, the time for harvest is ripe. We must save as many as we can from the bankrupt ideology of fascism
>>704756607
If the people would only educate themselves there would be no career politicians.
Term limits has always been built in, it just requires an electorate that isn't a bunch of drooling fucking morons.
>>704756681
>not killing the corruption in government
Are you a cuck faggot?
>>704756480
It's a common tactic for conservatives and Republicans. They honestly have no ability to look ahead and make careful deliberate decisions. The iraq war is a perfect example. Inb4 Hillary voted. Republicans voted overwhelmingly for war compared to Democrats. Thanks for getting us into Iraq Republicans. Our dead soldiers appreciate it.
>>704746353
Move to Canada. Get medical heroin. OD to death
>>704746353
Rub it in the face of 4chan's retard community.
>>704754297
That all depends on what you're trying to infer.
>>704756919
As if Canada wants Trump fans.
Take back my country.
>>704756149
At least we know where we stand woth Trump. He calls it like he sees it. You can say he flip flops or says politically incorrect statements, but he speaks some truths...
Hilary is corrupt as fuck. Not secrative corrupt, but poorly concealed and I'm going to break the law to conceal it corrupt.
>>704754543
>>704746353
Find fucksticks like yourself with Hillary stickers on their cars and beat you to a bloody pulp.
>>704756820
No argument. I agree
>>704756841
It's a common tactic in politics period. I'd also argue that politicians on both the right and left have no incentive to be proactive and, in fact, have not been.
<insert "kick the can down the road" comment>
The war was a clear mistake, but I'd argue that it would have been a mistake made by Democrats had Gore or Kerry won their elections. The proof lies in how each party opposes ideas: not based on principles as you might expect, but instead on who's proposing the idea.
>>704755001
>the US people want change
You overlook the fact that the US people do not have a voice in national elections. You have been outbid by the transnational corporations, which allow you to vote as a palliative. If voting really changed anything, it would be illegal.
>>704755383
This gives me hope for SW Asia, withholding the possibility that you may be affiliated with COINTELPRO 2.0
>>704756820
But then people would have to take time out of their day and actually research the candidates. Much easier to just reelect the incumbent with the familiar name
>>704752422
USA doesn't have an official language moron. English is the primary language, but you also have Spanish in number two and so on...
>>704757704
Truth. That's why I said before that nothing will change. Business as usual. That is until people can no longer grill hamburgers, drink Budweiser and watch football.
Maybe that day comes. Maybe it doesnt.
>>704756790
Well said, comrade! It is up to us to educate the people and help them see through the capitalist lies about socialism. The people's revolution is the fulfillment of the dreams of those who fought in the bourgeois revolutions - "freedom, equality, and the universal brotherhood of humanity". Socialism is true democracy emancipated from all ruling classes in which the abundance of our civilization provides for the material necessities of all people, allowing them to self-actualize and give of themselves to the progress of humanity.
Take heart, all of you who suffer under the yoke of capitalist exploitation! This is the dawn of the new global socialist revolution! Victory to the people!
>>704756144
No shit?
>>704757448
I just wanna know what the hell the reasoning was behind going to war in Iraq. Bush always spouted WMD's, we found none. The conspiracy theorists said oil, but we get most of our oil from Canada and Mexico.
>>704758091
Lmao suspicions confirmed
>>704756149
>the other half of the country that's voting for Hillary
You mean half of the people who are going to vote, right? That's not the same thing. Most people are not going to vote, so the Reptilian Queen will be getting the majority of a minority.
>>704758091
>the abundance of our civilization provides for the material necessities of all people, allowing them to self-actualize and give of themselves to the progress of humanity
Star Trek ftw
>>704746353
Celebrate!
>>704758468
Space communism is best communism
>>704758091
What if I make money with my personal computer? Am I being a class traitor?
>>704758208
I'd say it was based on threats and intelligence deemed credible at the time. Of course hindsight being what it is, we now know they weren't as credible as suggested. With that said, after 9/11, no president would allow themselves to be the reason another building fell or something far worse than that. Therefore, it was go baby go. Democrats would have done the same thing with Republicans calling foul on the sidelines had they held the white house.
Can't wait for this.
>>704757888
English is the de facto language, if not de jure. US courts won't accept pleadings in any language other than English.
>>704758708
Within a capitalist society? No. Within a socialist society? There's no such thing as money. The socialist world is as fundamentally different from the capitalist world as capitalism was from feudalism. These questions presume that socialism will be the same economic substructure as our capitalist society with the addition of state control, but that is completely wrong.
>>704758629
And we've reached the point where we're quoting fictional fucking characters from television shows long off the air...
Nice contribution anon.
>>704758208
Middle Eastern oil is what backs the US dollar. When Saddam Hussein tried to accept euros for Iraqi oil, he suddenly became Public Terrorist Number One.
>>704758976
The first duty of a revolutionary is to be educated. Obviously this means learning about all revolutionary nations, real and imagined
>>704758976
Yeah, in what kind of world are people inspired by art? Your reasoning is as much of a joke as your self-serving worldview, liberal scum.
>>704758592
Maybe Monica will get a Cabinet appointment.
>>704758943
Just money replaced with labor and the additon of state control.
Sounds peachy anon. Where do I sign up?
>>704759158
>imagined
such as Marx's utopia.
>>704759278
>Just money replaced with labor and the additon of state control.
Again, that's wrong. Socialism is total democracy - political democracy, democratically-made decisions about production, and democracy in the workplace. Right now you should be asking yourself if you're trying to learn or trying desperately NOT to understand.
>>704759216
(I'm a gramsci btw ;)
>>704759158
So you're a revolutionary studying Star Trek and the Federation's governing policies?
That's a genuine question, not a rub.
>>704746353
doubt it she is behind by 26%
unless it gets rigged by the 1% bankers (the real ones who run the country) which we all know it will be
presidents are now nothing more than a figure head for people to look to instead of the real people who are in the shadows running everything
>>704758592
we also had a republican congress holding his feet to the fire as well as the line item veto which all presidents should have. Bill Clinton was/is a lying fucken hilbilly douche bag and his wife is even worse. Get your head out of your stupid ass
>>704758892
Biff Tannen for president! Yeah!
>>704759340
Socialism post-Marx explicitly rejects utopian thinking; you can read this for yourself in the Communist Manifesto.
>>704759443
Found the butthurt Bernie voter.
>>704758943
>There's no such thing as money.
Right. And next you're going to tell us there's no such thing as God.
>>704758892
if trump gets elected do we get to have sex with his women?
>>704759340
>Marx
>utopian society
Ayy lmao bruh do you even German Ideology?
>>704746353
>this is a picture of a piece of shit
>>704759600
Sanders' platform was social democracy, not socialism. No socialist would be happy with mere reforms of capitalism intended to keep the present power structure intact.
>>704759216
So you're telling me that you appreciate the art of the show or the political ideology of it?
Because if it's the former, than I'm with you. If it's the latter than you're very conflicted and you might want to reconsider your assumptions about me and your knee-jerk response.
>>704758976
I think what is being cited is Gene Roddenberry's world-view as expressed by his fictional characters.
>>704758392
lizard queen is still better than the shaved orangutan with dementia and a penchant for self agrandizement
>>704759451
Na, I'm more of a Ferengi connoisseur tbh. Those lobes tho
>>704746353
>i started correct the record to give sad, scared people a sense of false hope
>>704759443
So I leave my personal fate up to the choice of the democracy?
I prefer freedom anon. Even if that freedom is severely handicapped and constrained under the twisted version of what this country was supposed to be.
>>704746353
prepare for war, because it surely is not far behind her
>>704759491
They're all liars. How are the Clintons worse?
>>704759514
Honestly the Manifesto is a terrible place to point people, it comes off as a poorly-written and zealous propaganda pamphlet (because it is). Send them to the 1st International's recorded minutes or something like 'Why Socialism?'
>>704759737
>people who mindlessly believe in the status quo don't need to examine their assumptions or provide explanations of their reasoning
>>704759838
Can't argue with that response.
>>704760009
>assumes an assumption has been made
Do I need to remind you of what happens when you go full retard?
>>704748653
>Witness hundreds of women and children get rapped by refugees.
So just throw ya hands in the aiyah, and wave em like ya jus don't cayah. And if you white wimmins wanna have sex against yo will, somebody say oh yayah!
>>704759988
It's a classic starting point, but you're right that there are many others, and some that might be better for the modern world. I also like Harrington's "Socialism" and everything by Richard Wolff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysZC0JOYYWw
It would be an interesting project to develop a definitive socialist curriculum, I think.
>>704759491
>Bill Clinton was/is a lying fucken hilbilly douche bag
True enough. But he did leave office with a surplus that Dubya promptly spent.
>>704759451
Different dude, but as far as I know Star Trek is one of the only shows/movies that depicts a genuine post-scarcity society. Most others have the plot-twist that it's not really post-scarcity, there's just a super-poor class that supports the elite
>>704760373
Someone please explain to me why this hasn't worked up to this point.
Again. Genuine question. Also, include your criteria for success.
>>704760373
Two socialists walk in a room to form a 101 curriculum, three tendencies and eight drafts walk out
>>704757448
I may not agree with you or perhaps I do, but nonetheless I appreciate your respectful and substantive response.
>>704760624
>why this hasn't worked up to this point
Why what hasn't worked?
>>704752110
I'm increasingly convinced it's just one autist that spends 12 hours a day on /b/ combing for polithreads and spamming shill and cuck. There's no way the entire trump movement on /b/ is that cringe.
>>704759783
The lesser of two evils is still evil. They're like when the doctor told his patient that he had good news and bad news … the bad news is that the patient had AIDS … the good news is that the patient also had Alzheimer's.
>>704755129
John Adams a slaver? Ben Franklin? Can you tie your shoes without help?
>>704758731
There was more support on the Dem side not to go to war. There would have been significantly less chance of going to war with Iraq if we had a Dem president.
>>704760762
The ones that aren't that cringe don't stand out as much as the ones spamming shill and cuck
>>704746353
Laugh at USA for electing another retard for president
>>704759887
In all of the United Snakes' miserable existence it has known peace for about a dozen years.
If Trump wins letting Russia get away with murder and invasion of otherwise sovereign countries is going to be a fucking huge mistake. In hindsight, look what happened when Britain allowed Germany to initially annex territory.
>>704760901
I think that's based on hindsight. Remember that many dems supported the war because of 9/11 and the fear of what might happen next. I'd say how it unfolded or how long we spent there is likely to have been different, but I don't believe for a moment that Gore or Kerry would have ignored the intelligence.
>>704761104
Peace doesn't feed the military-industrial complex
>>704760874
neither of them is evil, but only Hillary is qualified. It's that fucking simple. Trump should run for Senate or Mayor of NYC. With a guy as unusual and controversial we need to see how he does in elected office.
>>704760730
Socialism, communism, Marxism etc.
>>704760710
Yup. Me too.
>>704761168
On the bright side a new cold war will mean a lot more space shit and cool planes
>>704761185
Still though not a single Republican voted against. Many Democrats although minority still voted no considering the evidence.
>>704760901
You mean like Bill Clinton, who launched a mini war against Iraq in Operation Desert Fox that mysteriously coincided with his impeachment proceedings?
>>704761289
Lol yes it will
>>704746353
It will have ZERO effect on me if she wins. ZERO. Just like Obama, bush, Clinton,bush, and Reagan did. My life will go on. Absolutely nothing these presidents do affects us bc we aren't rich
>>704761299
The voting happened the way it did because that's what the parties do: oppose each other whenever possible.
>>704761316
Are you seriously comparing any war Clinton was in or started with the 2003 Iraq war? There's no comparison man. We're stuck in Iraq for God knows how long now because of the initial invasion.
>>704761213
>but only Hillary is qualified.
How do you figure this, because she's a politician? The president oversees the executive branch. Executive. Trump has decades of executive experience running many dozens of large corporations. He's more than qualified.
And really, there are only 2 qualifications: age 35+ and natural born citizen. This office was not designed for career politicians only. It is a civilian position.
>>704746700
>stay woke america
>>704761463
I'd argue partisanship had little to do with a vote for war post 9/11. The country was much more united.
>>704761241
It's never been implemented. The revolutionary transition to socialism requires advanced post-industrial historical conditions. Socialists in, for example, Russia were not able to implement socialism within a feudal society with no experience of or capacity for industrial production much less democracy, so what they ended up with was a bourgeois revolution to create state capitalism with the (ostensible) goal of creating the proletariat class for a future revolution to true socialism.
Note that this explanation changes exactly zero definitions involved in socialism, as defined here >>704758091
>>704761241
To my best understanding, Marx's original idea was that it would end up being something of a democracy, where the country is run by the common man, for the common man. The snag was that the leadership set up after the revolutions always ended up as dictators that never stepped down from power, and gave no shits about the workers
>>704760762
To tell you the truth, what I've been seeing here seems to be a bunch of offshore CTR shills attempting to mimic Trumpanzee bluster under the misconception that all US political discussions use that same tone.
>>704761527
dude, trump has shown that he has no idea how any of this stuff works, not even the fundamentals. I'm sorry, but he's not ready.
>>704761553
Sorry, united and behind Bush 43 both dems and rep
>>704761473
>We're stuck in Iraq for God knows how long now because of the initial invasion.
And Clinton voted for it. But we can blame Bush I guess. But we can't blame Bush for the Obama/Clinton decision to pull out of Iraq early in 2012 to score political points before an election, resulting in a power vacuum that ISIS filled.
>>704746353
masturbate furiously.
>>704748776
FACEPALMING ftw
>>704749628
Government is government, whether it is local or state or national... they are just ways we pay for collectively-used stuff, and rules we agree to abide by.
I'm not sure you understand how government works...
>>704747155
>jews
>poor
Anon I got bad news for your interpretation of reality, perhaps adjust your scope.
Jeb Bush was the only sensible candidate and still IS the only sensible candidate. He has a hell of a chance and that's where my vote is going. So you should change this thread to "What will you do after the inevitable victory of Jeb Bush"
>>704761439
That's a dangerously stupid way to look at things. If Clinton wins, she's going to be able to fill multiple SCOTUS seats, which are lifetime appointments. Look for her to fill them with young activist judges who will go ahead with social experimentation for the next half a century. This nonsense about dudes in dresses having the "right" to shit and shower in the same locker room as your daughter will be child's play compared to what's coming.
>>704761553
I think partisanship saw a brief reduction, but political animals don't change their stripes often or for too long. Remember that elections take place every 2 years and that's important when it comes to securing and keeping control.
We might forget this during certain times, but they never do.
>>704761669
What else were we supposed to do? Annex the country because they can't govern themselves?
>>704761669
Well Bush kinda set the framework for the pullout but yes Obama is responsible for actually leaving. Think back to the 2008 election. The country was witnessing the massive fuckup that was the Iraq war on TV everyday. Civil war had broke out under Bush and Obama was under huge pressure by the voters to pull out of Iraq now. When Obama was elected the people expected us to gtfo out of iraq quickly and decisively. What ended up happening is that it wasn't so black and white.
>>704746353
>inevitable victory of Hillary Clinton
>totally unpersonable
>even dems know she stole the election
>her supporters trust her less than trump
>dying
>legitimately trying to defame pepe
>meme game is weak as shit
>no appeal to the young audience that isn't extreme left
yeah... totally going to win
>>704761946
Maintain a military presence until the country is able to defend itself. Almost as soon as we left, their military was throwing down their weapons and running away from ISIS. Exactly the same as what South Vietnam did when we left. We are shit at training others to fight.
>>704762047
>no appeal to the young audience that isn't extreme left
The left fucking despises her. Only dinner-party, center-right liberals over the age of 50 actually support her.
>>704746353
What will you do for work when CTR isn't paying anymore?
>>704761557
So what you're saying is that it can only work is if a first-world nation adopts it?
What happens to the people who reject it?
>>704762013
Even Trump went on record back then and said that we need to gtfo of Iraq now. Like just pack shit up and leave. I think people have forgotten the mood of the country towards the war. It was starting to become another Vietnam.
>>704761887
Bathrooms have no reason to be segregated to begin with, women have stalls and men have urinals. The only people exposed are dudes, I don't know why women are worried about their privacy
>>704761241
Formative stages of any future dominant economic mode have kinks for decades, sometimes centuries. Capitalist ventures were practiced on small scales in the Poland-Lithuania Commonwealth, Saxony, and Venice. They all failed, but later capitalists learned from their mistakes and were able to better implement their new economic system until it completely supplanted European feudalism. There is heavy intentional and unintentional resistance to socialist governments and societies of all leanings from capitalist nations and economies. This manifests itself in direct action like coups (Guatemala, Iran, Cuba) to economic pressures like propaganda (advertisements, radio broadcasts, etc). Socialist values are already present in our economic systems, it's just that socialism itself has not yet become dominant.
>>704762111
Basically there was no planning on how to leave. Officials in the Bush administration have admitted to it. Obama had to come in and figure out how to get not only the us back on track but Iraq.
>>704761559
The problem is that not everyone can run things, even in a true democracy. There's always a hierarchy in play. Common man becomes less common when he nears the top and that power tends to corrupt.
>>704762200
>What happens to the people who reject it?
That depends what you mean. Are you going to pick up a gun and start shooting at revolutionaries? What will happen to those who reject it is the same as what will happen to the American colonists who wanted to stay loyal to the British Empire. Generally nothing as long as they're willing to give the new society a chance and accept historical inevitability.
>>704762111
I really don't think they would have been able to defend themselves, no matter how long we stayed. ISIS was already forming from the people who were pissed at the US being there, and even if we stayed to train more people the opposition would've grown too
She's completely insincere. Just read some of her tweets. She's just pandering. She's saying what people want to here. Liberals are desperate to think they are either victims (blacks/latinos) or they are the good guys (self-hating and apologizing whites). Her tweets are all about how she is love and Trump is hate. Trump is racist. Trump is literally hilter. Vote for me, I love children. Trump hates children. Vote for me, a cop shot a black guy. Must keep race war alive. She's a phony. Ever seen house of cards? Spacey is all smiles, thumbs up, and positivity in front of the mic, and as soon as he's in the back room he's scheming for power. That's her. She's a fake. A phoney.
Church.
>>704762171
when i say extreme left i mean the PC retards running around pretending to know what life is
We're going into civil war if the 2 parties keep moving further away from center.
>>704762518
Yeah, that's not the extreme left.
>>704761213
They are both evil because they both better themselves at the expense of society. Fearless Leader is proud to have bribed every governmental official in his way and the Reptilian Queen is proud to have received two billion dollars from influence-peddling. Her involvement in the creation of ISIS and in the wanton slaughter of Syrian children is just a bonus.
I am unaware of an objective standard that qualifies someone for political office. If there were such a thing, the politicians would do everything in their power to marginalize it. Unless you have such an objective standard, you have no business telling us one sociopathic candidate or another is qualified for the job.
There is an objective standard for sociopathy. Both Fearless Leader and the Reptilian Queen satisfy its requirements.
>>704762599
>going into civil war
Doubt that very much. For the vast majority, politics is just something they care intensely about once every 4 years. It's a sporting event, and they are cheering for their team, then they don't give a shit. No one's going to pick up a gun and head off to war because the other team won.
>>704762180
interesting!
CTR wont exist if she wins, she'll have no need for you anymore OP
>>704762509
Trump LOVES children. Especially 13 year old children.
>>704762699
what would you call it?
>>704757124
when exactly did she break the law?
seem to recall the FBI saying she's never even come close to breaking the law.
>Trump calls it like he sees it
Enjoy that used car, anon.
>>704757134
new waifu
>>704762872
American center-right liberalism
>>704757290
edgelord.
Gawd she is gross.
>>704762768
well actually, with a catalyst *cough cough* race wars *cough cough* its pretty feasible
surely you've noticed that shits been getting intense for the last few years.
>No one's going to pick up a gun
that's already started. remember when ppl started shooting rando cops?
>>704746353
>What will you do after the inevitable victory of Hillary Clinton?
Cry.
>>704762446
That's one way of rejecting it is suppose. But I think you'll find that just like anything else, there will be severe cracks in Socialism even if all the pieces fall together like you're suggesting they should. I also think people will reject it just as there are those that reject current forms of government. The end result is unlikely to be the roses picture that many have painted for me over the years.
>>704762420
It depends on how stable the system is. Our system in the US, even if a corrupt asshole gets elected president, there's not much chance that every piece of government will go along with them. Sure presidents and legislatures and judges might suck sometimes, but they've never had the capacity to destroy everything
When do you think is the last time she had a dick in her mouth. I'm saying 1991.
>>704746353
Join the protests against her due to her obviously stealing the election.
Seriously, nothing at all is pointing towards her winning, she is in freefall.
>>704762955
maybe i'm being an autist here but that doesn't make any sense
>>704762872
A bunch of hippy wannabe jack-offs
>>704763251
hey look, another delusional loon
>>704748289
> PolitiFact, an independent record-correcting website voting for Hillary, has graded more than...
>>704763236
you think wiley ole bill's stickin his dick in that musty old clap trap?
>>704763128
I just don't think you understand that it takes a whole hell of a lot to get to the point where 2 armies of Americans are engaged in warfare against each other, and getting mad at people on facebook over political posts isn't it.
>>704763142
You'll have to tell me what YOU think socialism is supposed to look like. Socialism is a radically different new world with a completely different social organization in which old attitudes and beliefs no longer make sense. Do you see a whole lot of pro-aristocracy feudalists running around demanding that the land be returned to hereditary nobles? Is this causing a big problem for capitalist society?
>>704763182
Corruption exists at all levels and it will continue to do so as long as human beings continue to make self preservation their default guiding principle. Without intervention from evolution, we're gonna keep being the racist, war-like selfish pricks we've always been.
>>704746353
HILLARY FOR PRISON ! ! !
"'---------------------------------------'"
>Lets Make It Happen!
>>704746353
She won't win. She's barely got any energy, she's a fucking criminal. The FBI (even though Comey decided to recommend no charges be made against her [because he's a FUCKING IDIOT]) showcased her crimes to the world and yet she's still running.... technically, she's automatically disqualified to run for president. Trump all the way. I've always been on the Trump Train since day one.
>>704746353
cheer in the fucking street
>>704749026
Fuck, ain't that the truth
>>704763592
keep dreaming faggot
>>704763592
good for you. you've been consistently retarded, so at least you've got that going for you.
>>704747011
hide the scars and fade away the shake-up
>>704763533
if we end the death tax, like trump wants, this will be inevitable.
death tax should be like 80% and if you think it should be removed you're a moron.
>>704759838
>>704763687
I will, cunt. And when the day comes to pass that Donald Trump becomes the president, I'll cheer from wherever I am.
>>704763533
Well, as I understand it it is simply community ownership of the means of production.
But thats obviously oversimplified.
>>704763142
Damn, it sucks that people have painted such rosy pictures for you about socialism. Any socialist worth there salt would accept that any new economic system would have failings, and it would be a socialist's duty to try to look at them objectively. Many 'socialists' act in a dogmatic and idealistic way that can be extremely off-putting; if they did any research into Marxism they would learn that his theories are the antithesis, the death knells of idealism. Marx even said of a dogmatic group of socialists operating in France, "if that's Marxism, I'm not a Marxist." {paraphrase} Actually socialism is all about evaluating evidence in an objective and scientific manner (or as close to scientific objectivity you can get). Marx actually based his entire theory on a rejection of idealism, and instead tried to look at something he saw as more tangible and real. (humans and the relationship between their environments, as shown by labor and its divisions over history). He tried to use this to formulate a model to predict future economic modes. Contrary to opinion, you'll find that a lot of his theories have been expanded upon and some have even been rejected or revised as new evidence has presented itself. It's really quite fascinating, imo.
The next two presidents of the USA in one picture
>>704763894
you're thikning maybe 2020? this is trump's last chance and he blew it.
bring it cucks
>>704764001
they're going to have such beautiful children
>>704763749
Retarded, eh? At least I'm not going to vote for the criminal cunt or the triggered baboon (Gary Johnson) who doesn't represent me or Libertarianism.
>>704763993
inb4 the 'dae there their they're' grammar faggots
>>704748289
Oh gee, i wonder how unbiased this is and how much the lies mattered.
What, did trump lie about what sandwich he ate that morning and they put it in as a data point?
>>704748289
Lol, from a Hillary source.....
Fight against her evil in the civil war.
>>704763777
why'd you leave the trips upon the table?
>>704763533
>Socialism is a radically different new world with a completely different social organization
socialism literally only works on paper. for it to be successful in practice and not survive off the debt of other countries (i.e. germany) it requires an omnipotent government and that basically has to tell you how and where to spend your money and how much of it you can spend.
for this reason, it has historically failed time and time again... it has nothing to do with society or social organization. its all about numbers, and the numbers don't fucking work
Im so tred of this thread just an hero OP
Do tha Hillary Shuffle and Now Dropped to the Flooooo
>>704746353
>Not gonna happen
>Kebab removed
>End of story
>I crii erry tiem
>>704763829
death tax?
need sauce for such wild claims
>>704758592
Thanks to congress
>>704764195
Ummm
He wanted to?
>>704746353
hopefully she wins and then dies so Tim Kaine will be president. its not really a better choice, but this way, at least Hillary and Trump wont be president
>>704764195
>>704763777
The trips are heavenly...
>>704762792
Don't be so sure. The equivalent of CTR here in Mexico are the peñabots. They were on social media constantly during the fake election. Even now that that clown has been in office for four years, his peñabots continue to churn out shit. A quarter of his own Twitter followers are fakes.
CTR will continue to play a role after the Lizard Queen gets crowned. Its offshore employees probably won't have jobs anymore, but the loyal MuriKKKans who helped her get "elected" will still have jobs to do in convincing everyone that the right choice had been made in November.
>>704763430
not a lot... we fought over black people last time. we'll do it again for the same reason
>>704764195
here you go create another fable
>>704764149
trumps lie's are awe inspiring. He saw people jumping from the towers on 9/11 from 4 miles away. He had hundreds of friends in the towers, but can't name a single one. He saw thousands of muslims cheering the fall of the towers in NJ despite no evidence at all that it occurred. and that's just lies about a single fucking day 15 years ago.
>>704753571
yes, but going there means learning a new language.
>>704764195
here ill go for quads and make a fable
>>704764297
wild claims? he wants to eliminate the death tax and has been very vocal about it. what claim is it you're thinking i'm making?
>>704764283
You dare summon the great Carlos Danger??
>>704763539
Yes, but if you get enough people together trying to make their own brand of corruption win, nobody's wins. Bureaucracy is stability by inefficiency.
such an amazing family
>>704764505
what happened to the one in the black dress? shes disgusting. she looks british
>>704764283
yes, and a hottie too. she will be great as well. maybe the first muslim president, eventually. why you so afraid faggot?
>>704764489
>wild claims?
>not providing sauce
>want me to take your word for it
>>704764614
source for what is what i'm asking?
>>704762509
>2016
>Not flooding America with muslim refugees
>RACISM!
>>704763993
> it would be a socialist's duty to try to look at them objectively
The problem is that you don't understand the difference between "objectively" and "from the point of view of a committed capitalist". Also
>there salt
every single time
>>704764614
here is some info about him wanting to eliminate it.
http://www.latimes.com/business/hiltzik/la-fi-hiltzik-trump-death-tax-20160808-snap-story.html
>>704754024
Well, states are funded by the federal government, soon yeah, the feds have the money
>>704759918
scandal after scandal after scandal with a bodycount to boot.
I wont do anything after the inevitable victory of Hillary Clinton wont even fucking become president. She is a fucking criminal, (No joke) And also she is probably going to fucking die soon cause she is a fucking dumbass old bag who has health issues. GO Trump!
>>704754024
it used to take days to cross a state, now it doesn't
the federal government today is exactly what a big state government like texas was before motorized transportation.
>>704763880
lmao. What, you mean you're not a fan of Papa 'Purge the Homosexuals, Kill the Kulaks' Stalin? I can't begin to imagine why
WHO DARES SUMMON WEINER
>>704765072
WHY'D YOU SHOW THEM YOUR WEINER MR. WEINER????
>>704764489
He does want to eliminate it- the death tax is a joke because it effects everyone but the richest who hide their wealth in loopholes anyway
>>704764981
Did you just correct my record?
>>704761439
It will have zero effect on you assuming you live in your parent's basement/on welfare playing videogames and browsing 4chan all day.
>>704760880
They represented a mercantile class, who, along with Southern slavers, constituted the political élite of the colonies. 3/4 of the population were not represented in the assemblies,the Constitution is specifically set up to be as undemocratic as possible. All our lives we're told this is a high ideal, something to strive for.
>>704764943
A smart Anon.
Enjoy the end of the thread guys, we hit bump limit
>>704765072
you allowing the documentary has cleared your name, imo
>>704761561
ever seen a pair of tits, bro?
>>704765171
everyone? it doesn't kick in until after your first 5 millinon
you've been lied to as usual
>>704764943
not a joke, just propaganda
>>704765333
>>704765072
The GREAT and POWERFUL
