>I'm with her
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdhCmXLG1lw
>>704520773
Let's
Dude... This is like kicking a brain-damaged puppy.
>>704520773
lmfao
>>704520773
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxtlX-Iq1W4
>>704521225
>using limited-duration animate dead spells
Why is the DNC's necromancy game so weak?
and she's still gonna win the presidency
>>704521910
Electoral fraud is still a very real possibility, yes.
>>704522599
>blaming electoral fraud to make yourself feel better because most Americans are smart enough to not like the candidate that you like
I feel bad for you m8.
>>704523613
LA times most recent poll has Trump ahead by 7 points.
>>704523755
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/election-update-leave-the-la-times-poll-alone/
>>704523613
Not smart enough to realize that our current party system is a suicidal farce, unfortunately.
>>704523915
Regardless of how terrible the two-party system is, wasting your vote on a candidate who has no chance of winning isn't going to change anything. It's just a childish temper tantrum.
>>704521225
>there's a protocol for those people to all start surrounding her so she's hidden from cameras and sight
human beings think they really are something, don't they?
>>704524207
>wasting your vote on a major party candidate you hate is somehow better than wasting your vote on a third party candidate you don't hate
Some logic you got there.
>>704524207
>election memes
What do you get for voting for the winner? Is there some kind of fruit basket or one of those summer sausage boxes?
>>704521610
Wtf is happening here
>>704524514
Kill yourself
>>704524514
>>704524491
The lesser of two evils, m8ies. There's no such thing as a perfect President, and there never will be. I'm mature enough to tolerate a minor evil rather than help cause a much greater evil in a childish attempt to get rid of the minor evil.
Many of the CTR shills show evidence of being offshore. Paying such people to attempt to influence a US election violates federal law. Just the thing for an October Surprise.
>>704524207
>Republican party collapsing in a rebellion against Trump
>Democratic party splits due to rebellion of left-leaning base against corporate-owned Clinton establishment
>party system destroyed
>no effect
Stop acting so desperate, establishment drone. I'm just going to vote for Jill Stein and watch you hang on the gallows you've built for yourself.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgJcgZtSUSY
>>704524892
And I'm mature enough to click my heels together three times…
>>704524892
>The lesser of two evils
Precisely how we've gotten ourselves into this mess in the first place. They offer you the choice they want you to pick and a totally unacceptable alternative. That's the managed democracy of inverted totalitarianism. So fuck you; the true left will wage eternal war on your corrupt party until it's destroyed.
>>704525078
>Republican party collapsing in a rebellion against Trump
>Democratic party splits due to rebellion of left-leaning base against corporate-owned Clinton establishment
Your perception of reality is distorted. 90% of Sander's former supporters have rallied behind Clinton, and Trump now has similar support among Republicans. There's no evidence of the two party system collapsing. It has survived greater shocks than this in history.
>>704524207
It increases the odds of the candidate that has "no chance of winning" actually winning. If enough people do it they win.
>>704525530
>90% of Sander's former supporters have rallied behind Clinton
Must be true.
>>704525530
>90% of Sander's former supporters have rallied behind Clinton
Not me. Not anyone I know. All the cars with Bernie Sanders bumper stickers now have Jill Stein stickers underneath them. Letting that buffoon Trump fail to accomplish anything for four years is better than letting your party continue to exist. And I guarantee that from now on the real left is going to show up to your dinner-party liberal primaries ready to wage war. We're fucking enraged at you cunts.
>>704525530
70%
>>704525468
Jill Stein has less than 3% of the vote. Good luck with that little war of yours.
>>704525732
>If enough people do it they win.
The catch here is "enough people". The overwhelming majority of Americans disapprove of both Jill Stein's and Gary Johnson's ideologies.
>>704521146
this, i almost feel sorry for her. keep bullying her and i might vote for her.
>>704526108
>Good luck with that little war of yours.
Good luck getting anyone to show up for your despised mafia boss / candidate on election day. LOL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThtJT3eG7K0
>>704525873
wat
>>704526108
The overwhelming majority of Americans don't have strong political ideologies and vote base in the personality and physical appearance of a candidate so this statement doesn't even make sense.
>>704526640
People who are to the left of center-right have woken up and realized that the Democratic party is just another enemy. We need to get rid of their economic-elite-owned party and build a coalition-left major party to replace them.
>>704526951
What we need is a left wing party with a less stupid name than Green. If someone came up with a leftist party with a catchy name the idiot masses would lead us into a new golden age.
>>704526951
>>704527427
>People who are to the left of center-right
I hope you realize that only 15% of the American general public align ideologically with solid liberals and other leftists. Good luck forming that new party. I'll laugh and sip my wine while you get destroyed at the ballot box. God I love democracy.
Source: http://www.people-press.org/2014/06/26/the-political-typology-beyond-red-vs-blue/
>>704527427
>What we need is a left wing party with a less stupid name than Green.
I wouldn't say that I'm actually committed to the Green party for more than a protest vote in this election, but we need a political party that opposes the economic ruling class, fights for economic democracy, and will raise class consciousness among the people in support of rebuilding a real socialist movement in the United States. We need an explicitly socialist, anti-capitalist party that represents the next generation of young people who now realize that capitalism is a dead-end.
>the idiot masses would lead us into a new golden age.
We fight for true democracy and an emancipation of the people from all ruling classes - kings, capitalists, and state bureaucrats alike. Our civilization will get back on track only when we realize that we must use the abundance provided by industrialization and information technology to provide the material necessities for all in support of their self-actualization.
>>704527755
>I'll laugh and sip my wine
Keep showing that true nature while other suffer, bourgeois liberal. I love it - it only keeps turning more and more people against you and against capitalism.
>>704527427
Green, it's the new red.
>>704528298
>g-g-getting rid of the masters is s-s-scary
Nah, we still red
>>704520773
>high energy selfie master race
>>704528298
Tree hugger pacifists will kill 130,000,000 people?
>>704527427
How about "the crunchy granola kumbaya party"?
>>704528157
>while other suffer
Considering that the US is one of the top 10 best places to live in the world accoeding to the UN Human Development Index and that every single country in the top 10 is capitalist, I don't feel very guilty for promoting capitalism. Every country that has rejected capitalism is near the bottom of the list. History is the greatest teacher.
>>704529124
Who killed what now?
>>704524677
its protocols are activating
>>704529293
Nothing brings Clinton and Trump supporters together like someone who's actually on the left.
>>704528298
You realize literally all of norther and western Europe is socialist and all of those countries have a higher standard of living than murica?
>>704528616
trump is such a goofy fucker I love it
>>704529438
Shhhh don't tell them, they still believe that USA#1 bullshit
>>704529418
Nothing brings reasonable adversaries together like an unreasonable adversary.
>>704529250
No CGK is too clunky to chant in rallies
>>704529575
But the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one.
>>704529614
Really? C-G-K! Rolls of the tongue
>>704529438
>norther and western Europe is socialist
No offense, but Europe is still 100% capitalist and therefore not socialist. Your evolutionary socialism stalled and evolved into a form of social democracy, and that has allowed European capitalists to go after your reforms and dismantle your welfare state through austerity programs. Your reforms were not revolution, and so you will inevitably lose them and become a corrupt capitalist shithole like the United States.
>>704529689
Vacuous truth fallacy.
>>704529299
Alas, the food wastage problem is not due to capitalism so much as lawsuits. If there is any suspicion of food poisoning, the resulting lawsuits could ruin a business. Even good food that looks bad causes customers to turn away. So businesses react to the demand. It's gross, it's unfortunate, but so it is. And getting food that is already expired by first-world standards to a remote place like villages in Africa before it turns to compost is really, really expensive.
>>704529575
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqNxne97ubc
NIGGERS
>>704529299
Someone said "green is the new red" green would meltdown all guns and you could start a rebellion with a base ball bat. Any who is afraid of the green party is non-metaphorically retarded.
>>704529917
>implying anything in a YouTube video can be trusted
We need Trump's wall to keep Muslims out.
>>704529886
>everything about the economic system I don't allow myself to question is failing
>produces wastefully as our ecosystem collapses
>can't distribute goods to where they are needed
>political system hopelessly corrupted by economic interests
>b-b-but it's not capitalism guys - I don't want to lose my personal economic privileges
>I deserve to shop until I drop on the backs of the globally-exploited poor
>>704525873
Soo... Cucks cucking cucks who cucked the cucks?
>>704529674
All nations on earth use money. Capitalism and socialism is not some kind of paradox
>>704528878
Ayyuu macarena
Where's the guy who calls everyone a faggot and or drumpfkin?
He should be here.
>>704529689
To an extent. If you jump the shark you end up with the two wolves and a sheep senario. All of the best countries are capitalistic social democracies.
This picture recently became relevant again.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nCP3HIhQgLI
>>704530756
He's busy sucking cocks.
>>704530756
Is that the same guy that says every source is false and photshopped/edited in after effects?
>>704530244
>economic system I don't allow myself to question is failing
Unemployment is at its lowest in a decade, and real household income is growing at its fastest rate in a decade. Show me the evidence of this "failing".
>corrupted by economic interests
Economic interests ARE the interest of the people. The overwhelming majority of people benefit from a more prosperous economy. Have you ever even taken a single economics class in your whole life? Grow up and quit pretending you're an expert on the economy.
>>704530431
Honestly, socialists understand the anger among Trump supporters and why you want to overthrow the political control of the two-party system that exists only to serve entrenched interests at your expense. We just wish you had the class consciousness to realize that attacking the current form of the capitalist state will accomplish exactly nothing in the long run. If you guys had been in charge of the American Revolution, you'd have invited George III back to be your king with the promise that he'd share more of the wealth with the colonists like he did in the good old days. You're just shooting a puppet, or cutting off a gecko's tail. You don't yet realize what the real problem is.
>>704530860
He doesn't even try that hard.
It's mostly name calling and an effort to be the last post.
>>704529438
Well UK is shit, Germany is shit, don't get me started on France, hell even fucking SWITZERLAND is shit now. The only place where I enjoy living in Europe anymore is fucking Eastern Europe because they still have capitalism in their blood. Oh and the Nord's are now known as arabic-european
>>704530756
CTR is running out of funds to pay employees
>>704531003
I've gotten a few great last posts with giant source lists and such. Always a good feeling.
>>704531003
He was never an overtly racist retard until he started trying to appeal to Republicans.
>fixed that for you, fucktard.
>>704529835
You are equating socialism with communism. Socialism foes not involve the goverment taking control of the means of production and is compatible with both capitalism and democracy.
>>704531102
Wanting people to follow laws is racist?
kek
>>704530940
>socialists understand
>overthrow the political control
Except the whole point of socialism is political control. The textbook definition of socialism is state management of the means of production, and the state is controlled by politicians.
>>704531102
There you are.
>>704531059
It's crazy how fast everything is going to shit.
>>704530874
>Unemployment is at its lowest in a decade
Because you've stopped counting people who've dropped out of the labor force and are counting minimum wage jobs exactly the same as you'd count the middle-class manufacturing jobs that have been lost.
>real household income is growing at its fastest rate in a decade
False. Maybe mean income, but only because all new income gains are at the very top. The median household income is falling, and has been for decades.
>Economic interests ARE the interest of the people
I love this. The economic elite ARE the people! You have no interests but serving your capitalist ruling class and hoping that they will deign to share their wealth with you, the peasants! Keep going, please. This is great stuff.
>The overwhelming majority of people benefit from a more prosperous economy.
Are they? Maybe you should leave your gated community and actually ask them. People are not doing well and are enraged - that's why they're now voting for Trump.
>Have you ever even taken a single economics class in your whole life?
You must be mad - you're turning into a libertarian. The madder you liberals get when challenged from the left, the more you drop the humanitarian facade and turn into ring-wing reactionaries.
>>704531292
>>704530940
Nigga I'm not even in the Americas. Its just painfully obvious from outside the us that democrats are fucking you big time. Its just ridiculous
>Zionist Jews
Trump must be elected. He is our only savior. Anyone can put the pieces together. We must not allow the zionist media to dictate and smuther his name. We must protect Trump and support him. Believe in Trump.
https://youtu.be/OCabT_O0YSM
>>704531093
i hate them
>>704531500
>da joos
His daughter is Jewish.
>>704531059
Sadly that is true. I mean Geneva, a fucking hub of millionaires is starting to look like this pic bit by bit
>>704520773
I'm with her because democrats hate niggers
https://youtu.be/phKO2T2pMjM
>>704531102
>dated black women
>racist
Pick one.
He's also dated more blacks than you.
So salty.
>>704531197
>Except the whole point of socialism is political control.
No, the point of socialism is political AND economic democracy. The point of socialism is to eliminate the ability for a ruling class of capitalists to control society through the ownership of capital. A fully-implemented socialist society has no powerful state - it has a managerial state that implements the macroeconomic decisions of the people and protects human rights.
>The textbook definition of socialism is state management of the means of production
That's state capitalism. Of course the economic elite don't want you to actually know what socialism is, but you need to realize that what they don't want you to know is EXACTLY what you should be learning. Socialism is a political and economic democracy - it is when the people get rid of their rulers and make decisions for themselves.
>>704531110
No, that's wrong. If you're a Sanders "democratic socialist", then I'm glad you're interested in learning more about socialism, but it's time for you to really learn what socialism is all about. There is no such thing as "a mix of socialism and capitalism" - socialism is a fundamentally different mode of economic production that is incompatible with the capitalist concept of society's capital being privately controlled. "Communism" is just the theoretical end-goal of the Marxist interpretation of socialism in which state and class have vanished.
>>704529438
You realize the USA is literally the size of the fucking EU
>>704531477
>Its just painfully obvious from outside the us that democrats are fucking you big time.
Socialists and the true left in the United States agree with you. We've had it with the liberals.
I thought he said president lol
>>704526820
It's this plus the amount of media exposure each candidate has as well. Fucking rarely are independent candidates mentioned in the mainstream media.
>>704532203
>left in the United States
And that's how I know you're a propaganda-swallowing retard.
>from outside the us
Nice fucking try. The world likes the democrats and is scared shitless by the brainless subhumans in the malfunctioning, worthless GOP.
>>704531363
Are you joking?
Sorry to hijack this convo, but allow me to get you the europeen point of view
>unemployment is at It's highest
>youth unemployment rapidly reaching 50%
>all our tax money is funneled into EU bureaurocrats' pockets
>moar refugees
>feminism is law, men are guilty until proven innocent
>EVERYTHING is a hate crime
>actually EVERYTHING is a crime
>>704532081
It's like you're not even trying
Socialism is about siezing the means of production and redistributing them equally, overthrowing any form of government and intalling a "people's dictature" and eliminating (via gulag) any kind of political opposition
>>704532203
Socialism is not helping anyone in the long run. Look at Norway and Sweden for fucks sake. It just takes from the rich who EARNED IT. And gives to those who didn't. You think all the rich people are lazy dumbasses? Those don't last two generations, but you're to self centered to see that and focus on your NEET bucks.
>>704531059
Have you been to Detroit recently?
>>704532081
Just admit that you're an underachieving, jealous, Stalinist faggot and be done with it.
>>704531363
>False. Maybe mean income, but only because all new income gains are at the very top. The median household income is falling, and has been for decades.
Read this: http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/09/14/business/economy/us-census-household-income-poverty-wealth-2015.html?_r=0&referer=
Labor force participation is falling mostly due to the retirement of the baby boomers. There has been some additional fall among prime-age workers, but only about one or two percent. Not nearly as significant as leftists like to believe. The fall in unemployment is far more statistically significant.
>drop the humanitarian facade
Making important decision based on emotions instead of logical reasoning is a far greater cause of human suffering in this world than capitalism. Most people would be better off if they were more logical and less emotional about things. Emotions don't justify anything, and using them as justification is precisely why modern liberalism has become so flawed and irrational.
>You have no interests but serving your capitalist ruling class and hoping that they will deign to share their wealth with you, the peasants!
Your clearly allowing your populist emotions to compromise your judgement.
>>704521399
whats going on here rigging the votes?
>>704532083
Kek
>>704532700
Yup
>>704532490
>Gary "Aleppo?/Glad no one got hurt in that bombing" Johnson
>Jill "literally who?/Sanders 1.5" Stein
Why?
>>704532555
>going to Detroit
For what purpose?
I'd rather put my balls in a blender.
>>704532547
>Look at Norway and Sweden for fucks sake.
These are capitalist countries. They aren't socialist.
>>704531102
I like hot sauce as much as a supper predator
>>704531613
I believe shes HALF Jewish.
Donald is german/scottish. So yes. Give him a crack at the Presidency.
PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN MOST STATES. JUST A REMINDER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND GO OUT AND VOTE FOR TRUMP AND HELP SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
WE ARE IN REALLY REALLY BAD TROUBLE AND WE NEED TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. GET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO REGISTER AS WE... IT TAKES LIKE 3 MINUTES. JUST GOOGLE VOTER REGISTRATION AND YOUR STATE AND IT COMES RIGHT UP.
VOTE TRUMP AND SAVE THE USA FROM ENDING UP LIKE FRANCE AND GERMANY.
Hillary WILL RUIN THE USA. NEVER FORGET THAT. #HILLARYDOESNTCAREABOUTYOU
>>704532081
>A fully-implemented socialist society has no powerful state
You tell 'em comrade.
>>704530544
M-more?
>>704531188
Find one quote of Sanders saying that and I will eat my own shit and post it with a time stamp. Just because he has some racist supporters does not make him racist. I've know him personally before he was mayor of Burlington and he is a good person regardless of what you think of his politics.
>>704532677
Median household income in 1999 was almost $58,000.
>Making important decision based on emotions
The only emotional attachment I see in this conversation is your attachment to the society you were born into and its provision for your materialistic desires at the expense of the exploited workers of the world. I am merely arguing that we must abandon a civilization-destroying economic paradigm that has outlived its historical usefulness and progress to a more advanced society.
>>704532787
I believe shes HALF Jewish.
Donald is a German/scottish American.
So yes. Give him a crack at the Presidency.
>>704533412
>didn't watch the debates
>>704533455
where's the fucking gift economy already? I did so much fucking political work twenty years ago, what the fuck good was it all?
shit has gone to hell anyway.
(I missed the let it all out vent thread)
>>704520773
Crooked Hillary is very low energy.
ITT: Sad, desperate right wing Trump trolls trying to emphasize Hillary's health issues while utterly failing to realize that the intelligent side of America would still vote for a houseplant before they'd even consider voting for Drumpf or any other subhuman retard the evil GOP puts in front of us.
Do you want the supreme court to get filled with liberal activists who will engage is social experimentation for the next 40 years or by people who will realistically interpret the constitution?.
>>704533412
>http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/mar/07/bernie-s/bernie-sanders-wrong-say-when-youre-white-you-dont/
That was easy.
>>704531776
That's a terrible argument. I've fucked a hole in a couch when I was a teenager. Does that mean I consider he couch equal?
>>704532970
70% tax rates? They are fucking socialist man i lived there.
>>704533291
>Venezuela
>implying means of production have been seized by the people
Hey, everyone - I'm the King of the Internet. It must be true because I call myself King of the Internet. You must reply "all hail the king" or I shall make Chris-chan your princess by royal decree.
>>704533693
like I said, shit has gone to hell, the troglodytes are running the asylum
>>704533765
>fucking=/=dating
Virgin detected.
>>704533693
Is calling the guy by an ancestor's surname supposed to be a cutdown or something? I don't see how it is.
>>704521225
Prop up this rotten carcass just to make it look alive
>>704533693
>the intelligent side of America
>>704532104
Reliance?
>>704533693
>>704533816
Sure thing samefag.
Throughout history wherever comparative economic liberty existed, prosperity followed. Compare:
West Germany v East Germany
South Korea v North Korea
Pre-Castro Cuba v Post-Castro Cuba
The list goes on. Venezuelans are starving at this very moment thanks to Chavez.
Why must you leftist faggots hate capitalism when there is so much history to support it?
>>704533455
>Median household income in 1999 was almost $58,000
The US was just as capitalist in 1999 as it is now. Just because we're going through hard times now doesn't mean the have to replace the whole system. The Great Depression was far worse than any economic problems we're currently experiencing, but they persevered and then the economy boomed in the 40s, 50s and 60s and household income skyrocketed. Our current economic troubles are temporary in the same way that the Great Depression was temporary.
>>704533577
>I did so much fucking political work twenty years ago, what the fuck good was it all
The revolution is permanent. Take heart - the young people are rising up against the capitalist system that can no longer anesthetize them with mindless luxuries. Class consciousness is on the rise again. This is the dawn of a new global socialist movement.
>>704534000
Trips of delusion right here.
>>704533783
You go comrade!
>>704533778
Socialism is a mode of economic production, not when the government does stuff in a capitalist economic system. A socialist society is as different from capitalism as capitalism is from feudalism. Socialism is achieved by a transformative revolution against capitalism, not by increasing income tax rates.
>>704533965
Because post modernism took over the left and it claims that science, hostory, and facts are all subjective and being extremely idealistic with 0 sence of realism is the way to act.
Post modernism is the cancer that spawned the current left, from the communists to the socialists to the sjw community.
>>704532543
You are thinking of Stalinism. Please learn would words mean so you can communicate more effectively.
>>704534274
You do realize that socialists want to get rid of the bourgeois state, right? Where capitalism is political democracy (ostensibly) and economic authoritarianism, socialism is political and economic democracy. There is no state ruling class in socialism - there is no ruling class at all. The state is only large enough to carry out the economic decisions of the people and protect individual human rights.
If Hollywood would have made this years election years ago i would have called it the most unrealstic movie ever. How in the fuck did this happen? Especially considering America finally had a decent person running and they thru him out.
America just needs to kill itself.
>>704534236
This. Fucking a million times this. I knew so many SJWs in college and they all treated post-modernism as if it were some sort of enlightenment or something. It's a total delusion. Post-modernism is pseudointellectual bullshit. It just uses fancy language to make itself sound intellectual when it really contradicts logic and reasoning and is filled with millions of fallacies.
>>704532547
Both of the counties you chose to mention have been at the top of every public health index and quality of life study for decades.
>>704534580
>>704534236
Socialists dislike bourgeois liberals more than you do, and for far better reasons.
>>704534456
>You do realize that socialists want to get rid of the bourgeois state, right?
Sure thing buddy.
>>704534456
Except that some of the farm animals are more equal than others, right?
>>704533917
Not at all. It's rubbing Trump's face in his own shit because he tried to mock/dismiss Jon Stewart for using a name that's not his birth surname when, in fact Trump wasn't born "Trump" either.
Basically an open and shut case of "he can dish it out but he can't take it", coupled nicely with a hefty helping of "those in glass houses".
>>704534679
>why would the ruling class lie to me about socialism?
>>704534689
George Orwell was a socialist.
>>704533965
Capitalism is "unfair". Some people work harder, or smarter, or have better ideas than others, or they're making opportunities for themselves instead of waiting for one to hit them on the head... and they make more money because of it.
A lot of people think that's wrong, and they call it "economic injustice". They feel that the little they make should be combined with Bill Gates' income, then they should split the combined total with Bill 50/50. Because that'd be fair.
They've decided that the government would be a great organization to trust to collect all the money and then redistribute it fairly, because that's worked out so well in so many other countries.
It's the political equivalent of a toddler's temper tantrum, and the only real tragedy is that an IQ test isn't required in order to vote.
pic related it's one of the faggots furiously replying and trying to correct everyone. This your first semester of polsci101 and you're up all night studying for the first exam breh?
>>704533265
>PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN MOST STATES. JUST A REMINDER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND GO OUT AND VOTE FOR TRUMP AND HELP SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
>WE ARE IN REALLY REALLY BAD TROUBLE AND WE NEED TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. GET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO REGISTER AS WE... IT TAKES LIKE 3 MINUTES. JUST GOOGLE VOTER REGISTRATION AND YOUR STATE AND IT COMES RIGHT UP.
>VOTE TRUMP AND SAVE THE USA FROM ENDING UP LIKE FRANCE AND GERMANY.
>Hillary WILL RUIN THE USA. NEVER FORGET THAT. #HILLARYDOESNTCAREABOUTYOU
PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN MOST STATES. JUST A REMINDER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND GO OUT AND VOTE FOR TRUMP AND HELP SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
WE ARE IN REALLY REALLY BAD TROUBLE AND WE NEED TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. GET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO REGISTER AS WE... IT TAKES LIKE 3 MINUTES. JUST GOOGLE VOTER REGISTRATION AND YOUR STATE AND IT COMES RIGHT UP.
VOTE TRUMP AND SAVE THE USA FROM ENDING UP LIKE FRANCE AND GERMANY.
Hillary WILL RUIN THE USA. NEVER FORGET THAT. #HILLARYDOESNTCAREABOUTYOU
>>704534645
>>704534628
>>704534456
>>704534366
You seem to be walking around blind without a cane.
>>704534000
please for fuck sake then, can we break this shit before I'm in a fucking nursing home.
I'm serious.
>>704534742
>in fact Trump wasn't born "Trump" either.
He was though wasn't he? The name change happened to generations before him. Either way, it's a non point. His name is Trump even if he changed it yesterday.
>>704530244
Needed?
PEOPLE ONLY HAVE ABOUT ANOTHER WEEK TO REGISTER TO VOTE IN MOST STATES. JUST A REMINDER TO REGISTER TO VOTE AND GO OUT AND VOTE FOR TRUMP AND HELP SAVE THIS COUNTRY.
WE ARE IN REALLY REALLY BAD TROUBLE AND WE NEED TO VOTE FOR TRUMP. GET YOUR FRIENDS AND FAMILY TO REGISTER AS WE... IT TAKES LIKE 3 MINUTES. JUST GOOGLE VOTER REGISTRATION AND YOUR STATE AND IT COMES RIGHT UP.
VOTE TRUMP AND SAVE THE USA FROM ENDING UP LIKE FRANCE AND GERMANY.
Hillary WILL RUIN THE USA. NEVER FORGET THAT.
>>704534456
Name me one country where socialism has been tried and this is the case.
>>704534742
>wasn't born Trump
Full retard.
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>>704533882
The couch and I had a very long courtship
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>>704535137
>surprise level 0
Never change /b/.
>>704534786
so you're saying a random investment banker is more valuable to society than Buckminster Fuller ever was?
it's unfair because those who benefit the system itself are rewarded disproportionately to their actual worth as human beings, to society and others.
>>704535098
Dude, I'm on your side, but you have to let go of the ALL FUCKING CAPS.
>>704535196
Okay sperg, we get it.
>>704533941
we are. Deal with it.
>90+% of scientists, teachers and atheists
>far, far more college graduates
>smart enough to disregard Trickle Down
>acknowledges facts and data, votes with brain
>believes in investing in education
>Dems created more than double the jobs reps did in less time
>have singlehandedly cleaned up two gigantic messes caused by the GOP
>egalitarian socioeconomic ideals
Cry harder.
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>>704534786
That's completely wrong - socialists want to eliminate private ownership of capital to prevent the formation of an economic ruling class. Socialists want to ensure that EVERYONE can be successful by providing the material necessities required for individual achievement in exchange for sharing in society's necessary labor. We don't measure "success" or "rewards" through the accumulation of personal wealth - we don't think it's right to glorify yourself with excess while other starve simply due to socioeconomic differences. But we want and will achieve far more individual success in a world where economic production serves humanity instead of having the people be shackled to a wasteful system of production for the benefit of a few.
>>704535137
Was it a black couch?
This is /b/, man. I had to ask.
>>704535274
Huffingsomepaint reader detected.
Your tears in November will be delicious.
>>704534951
We must organize ourselves again, comrade. Form a small group of like-minded socialists and agitate locally. We are a democratic movement and must rebuild ourselves from the ground-up. We are the movement - there will be nobody from the ruling class coming to help us or organize us. We must save ourselves.
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>>704524207
this
when you know you're not going to win, you do and say things that you otherwise would not be able to do and say. Johnson can make promises that he has no intention of ever fulfilling because he'll never get the chance.
>>704535289
What are you, 14?
You really need to get out to the big city more often.
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>>704533965
And embargoes had nothing to do with it. While there was a Soviet Union North Korea was industrialized and South Korea was the poorest country in the world. Please do not say things so ignorant you make me defend communist North Korea.
>>704520773
She only passes out if her blood gets too cold
She should be looking after her babee
>>704535552
Not posting in caps doesn't make you any less of a sperg.
>>704535241
I'm not qualified to judge someone else's value to society, and in case you're in doubt, you're not either, asshat.
But this is about economics, not social value. You start sharing your income with cops, teachers, and firemen because they're more valuable than you, then you might have some ground to stand on for that argument.
Social justice is always about someone else's money, though, isn't it?
>>704535068
>be me
>living in 17th century
>name one person who has achieved powered flight
>therefore powered flight impossible QED
>pic related, it's the only true powered flight and it failed
>only looks good on paper
>can't work because human nature
If we were talking about any other subject, you'd realize how retarded the standard strawman socialism replies really are.
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>>704535429
god bless anon.
>>704535523
And to think, you're the kind of person who goes around replying "not an argument" incessantly.
>>704534580
>I knew so many SJWs in college and they all treated post-modernism as if it were some sort of enlightenment or something.
That's because egalitarianism is a socioeconomic imperative. Division causes economic instability. We've known this since Ancient Greece.
>It's a total delusion.
And I base that on absolutely nothing.
Post-modernism is pseudointellectual bullshit.
Ah yes, 'pseudointellectual' that bullshit term that butthurt antieducation rightwingers use for the "educated elite" because their homeschoolin' was just as valid 'n' shit as any college degree. SMRT is SMRT and colleges don't give you educashuns, they just turn you into commiez! Hurr durr
It just uses fancy language to make itself sound intellectual
"Fancy language"--also known colloquially as collegiate English. This is why people overseas laugh at you retards and you drag our education scores down to the third world level.
>when it really contradicts logic and reasoning and is filled with millions of fallacies.
Please don't use the word logic without bringing at least some modicum of evidence to the table.
As for these "fallacies" of yours? Name a few. I dare you, motherfucker. Oh, and don't forget to cite sources as you do. That bit's important.
>>704533975
FDR was a socialist and America had its greatest period of success while the top tax rare was 90%
>>704534786
Wow.....yeah. You're 100% bona fide, certified retarded.
>>704535429
Ironically. much like many of the claims Republicans make against Hillary, this image is actually faked.
>>704535289
The forming of such an elite class is only able to exist because of the state protecting them through things such as lobbying. The more power the state has, the more it can interject and destroy.
>>704535576
The people eating tree bark soup in North Korea might disagree with you.
I always think.. Who would batman vote for?
>>704534944
Ad hom. No argument
>>704535241
Ah, so we'll just assign some people to determine who gets what.
Will we be allowed to vote on this process, or do the village elders get to decide?
>>704535680
And no examples were given. Good job comrade!
>>704535733
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>>704535918
>billionaire crime fighter
Really?
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>>704535399
Trust me. YOURS will be, not ours.
Nothing was funnier than when you retards thought it was going to be a close race with Romney and he got his clock cleaned and you were standing around dumbfounded wondering what happened.
As it turns out, the REAL 'silent majority' are the moderates, and they won't touch the GOP with a 50 foot pole these days.
Enjoy your 4 more years of competent leadership. I know I certainly will!
>>704535843
He has a point. Versus you, who doesn't. Fuckin faggot.
That being said, it's total bullshit that the nigga working a full time job and two part time jobs with no days off makes barely enough money to put food on the table while some half-drunk, half-retarded spoiled brat sits on his ass for four hours a day to make so much money he couldn't spend it all if he tried, just because he was born to the right family.
>>704536081
>Romney
Everyone knew how that was going to go.
I didn't even vote that time.
>>704535307
Latino
>>704535868
Wait, how did the government get so corrupt and end up serving the market-distorting interests of the rich again? Hmm, that's a tough one to figure out. The state and the economy are only separate in theological, utopian capitalism. In the real world, nobody plays by Ayn Rand rules if they can use wealth to buy economic advantages through government policy. And they always will, because a suitably powerful state is required to protect the private property of the capitalist - they won't tolerate a minimalist state in which the workers can strike back against the bosses at-will.
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>>704535941
Why would I argue with a CTR shill?
Man, you really are fucking confused.
>>704535983
No, I decided it was easier just to demolish your entire line of argumentation by pointing out the inductive fallacy at the center.
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>>704535870
Yes because the USSR is still a thing.
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>>704536187
absofuckinlutely. if you got rid of the govt we'd all be slave labor with private security firms cracking the fucking whip, no exaggeration
>>704536326
>>704536187
Yet you for some reason want to expand the government rather than decrease it. If you've realized people in powerful positions are awful, why would you give more power to the one entity that can legally use violence against you?
>>704536175
So let's reduce taxes, no?
>>704535429
>#ClintonFoundation
KEK. You guys are so pathetic it's cute.
>>704536187
You tell 'em Reverend Jim!
>>704530698
>datfilename.png
kek <--- this one
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>>704536270
It wasn't actually a fallacy. I wanted some good and hard evidence that the socialism you speak of work. Rather than providing evidence, you avoided it entirely like the good socialist cuck you are.
>>704535666
I already share my income with them by paying local taxes which are used for their paychecks. this is an example of a socialist system.
Jesus you're fucking retarded.
>>704536175
he didn't have a point. He was a raving anarchocapitalist fuckwad who has no idea how economics or resource allocation work.
>>704536656
Charitywatch is owned by clintons faggot
>>704536656
Release the transcripts Hillary.
>>704536756
>COPS AND FIREMEN IS SOCIALISM
Really, we're going there?
I though you american SJW niggers didnt like the establishment? So why are you voting for a hellbent corrupt satanic bitch?
Did any of you even read those dnc leaks? They auctioned offices to the highest bidder. How is that even remotely acceptable? Anyone?
I am from Europe I hope to see Trump win, if only to piss whiny libtards and sjws off for a few years.
>>704536816
Limited government =/= anarchy
>>704536656
Hillary only supports politicians of the highest integrity.
>>704536221
It REALLY takes some giant balls and ZERO brainwave activity for a pathetic retard like you to see shit like this nigger:
>>704536196
>>704533265
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>>704535098
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>>704536714
then claim >>704535941 is "hurr durr muh correct the record shill cuck! DERP DERP DERP DERP DERP
>>704536942
Cos MUH VAGIIIIIINA
>>704536418
>books
That's cute. They think Republitards can read!
>>704531697
I remember seeing a video about this. How the zionist jews used that haiti earquake to milk millions from the Americans. Now this sets that shit in stone. God i just want them dead. Fuck sending them to prison. I just want to see her rot. That entire family and the puppets behind the scenes supporting her cause. Fucking dead!
>>704536469
Precisely. Even if the government is entirely eliminated, the capitalists will simply create new state-like forms of social control. The real power in capitalism is economic, not political, and capitalist governments will re-form spontaneously in a vacuum.
>>704537081
bodily autonomy overrides all other considerations
prochoice vs religious/maniacal shit
everything else comes next
like voting for a corporate swindler who has never had a boss or a real job, vs someone who fucked over millions of people with a shit crime bill. that's a tough call actually.
>>704536572
>Yet you for some reason want to expand the government rather than decrease it.
You still refuse to understand socialism. A thousand times I tell you that socialism is democratic control by the people, not the state, and yet you still repeat the lies told to you by the capitalist ruling class.
>>704522948
the fuck is that
>>704537081
This is the bourgeoisie at work in socialism, yet it shouldn't be possible, right? It goes against everything Colonel Sanders said! Could it possibly be that socialism isn't made of dreams and cookies?
>>704537380
I think if one party was trying to cut off my dick legally all the time I'd probably vote against them in every fucking race
>>704537444
>United States
>socialist
>>704537401
Are you going to suggest there's no such thing as a political class in socialism next? Because I live in Sweden, and they're handing around favors among each whilst ignoring all the current plights.
Socialism by the way does not equal democracy.
>>704537172
Wow, you wasted a lot of time on that.
Mr. Brock will not be pleased Rajeesh.
>>704537418
A piece of diseased lung.
Or perhaps diseased tongue.
>>704536221
The smartest thing Hillary ever did, single handedly destroying the credibility of anyone who might ever defend her online. That the kind of judgment you want running a country
>>704537745
>Because I live in Sweden
Sweden is not a socialist country. They have a capitalist economic structure. European "socialism" is a lie. You can tell because private capitalists own businesses, not the workers and the people. Whether or not there are welfare programs is irrelevant.
In other words, of course it's still corrupt - it's a capitalist nation with an economic ruling class whose entrenched interests are served by the bourgeois state.
>>704537591
That's only possible because of big government. What do you think Socialism is you fool?
>>704537380
This is you.
>>704532081
>What do you think Socialism is you fool?
Not a fool, which is why I know that socialism is this >>704532081
Socialism is not when the government does stuff you don't like. It's an economic system.
>>704531973
>implying that was in any way legit and not just someone trolling the fuck out of a bunch of bait-hungry idiots
>>704537883
>this
And they don't even seem to understand.
>>704537927
And the USSR and all other socialist/communist countries were not corrupt, right?
You want to know something fun? In East Germany, there were about 160.000 people employed by the state to spy on their neighbors in case they got any ideas of freedom, at which point the state could take them away and have them shot.
Don't get fooled into giving government more power. If you do, you'll have a situation like that.
Power corrupts, you should've learned this through school.
>>704531973
>Austrian flag
>>704529299
niggers, who cares
>>704538080
>A fully-implemented socialist society has no powerful state - it has a managerial state that implements the macroeconomic decisions
Please enlighten us on how the 'managerial state' is not a 'powerful state'?
We'll wait.
>>704536957
Facts are not welcome here!
>>704535868
>i was born in the ussr, my granpa was kgb and dad was foreign advisor
>that somehow makes me an expert on marxism
i love how he thought "how will i give the following uneducated opinion i'm about to spout out some credentials? i know, i'll tell my dad was in the kgb!". it really shows the cognitive level at which the average /pol/tard operates
>>704538117
Thank you for Correcting the Record.
>>704538571
So any capital type of gain equals capitalism then, yeah?
>>704537745
>socialism
>sweden
you're an idiot. god i hate how uneducated people are on 4chan, it didn't use to be like that until 2008-9
>>704538511
>And the USSR and all other socialist/communist countries were not corrupt, right?
No, but they weren't socialist, either. They were pre-socialist state capitalisms. Pre-industrial societies cannot jump from feudalism directly into socialism, as the Bolsheviks quickly discovered. They decided that the party would take the place of the private capitalists in industrialization and make decisions on behalf of the future proletariat. Of course, like all capitalisms, the Soviet Union quickly developed a corrupt ruling class that derailed the revolutionary aspect of their socialist movement and it became all about preserving the power of the ruling class, much as it is in the United States today.
>Don't get fooled into giving government more power.
But we don't want to give the government more power. We want to take all power away from all ruling classes and give it back to the people through a more advanced economic substructure.
>>704538511
> any ideas of freedom
kek
>>704538511
In real socialism, a non-powerful managerial state replaces a powerful state. This will be less corrupt because it is less corporationy and more managerial.
>>704538702
Yet he's more educated on the matter than you. It's hilarious watching you commies squirm when it comes to human nature and how it goes against everything about your oh so "perfect" communism/socialism
>>704538564
Because the people are making all of the decisions and the state only has whatever minimal amount of power is required to facilitate cooperation between enterprises to meet these goals? The state doesn't even interfere with the management of individual workplaces - the workers own and operate their workplaces democratically. Gee, that was an easy one.
>>704538993
You don't strike me as someone who's qualified to judge educational level.
Trump wins? We all die. Nuclear war.
Period.
>>704537881
Makes me hot. #SexyAsFuck
>>704537959
You fucking clown, you'd rather contemplate the difference between a douche and a turd than content that both are shitty choices. You're the reason the world is shit.
>>704539185
>Democratic party campaign strategy in its purest form
>>704538904
It's pretty darn socialist. I fucking live here.
>>704538944
Yeah, human suffering under the state is hilarious. Wrongthink could get you shot for christs sake.
>>704539235
Watch out ruling class - the people are waking up!
>>704537485
Kek like your dick is big enough to bother
>>704539275
trump: "we'll just bomb 'em."
"well why can't we use nukes!?"
"I'd consider using nukes."
"I'd blow a Chinese jet out of the sky."
"I'd blow those Iranian boats right outta the water."
No, if trump's elected - we all die.
>>704536824
>eyes opened
>>704539332
>It's pretty darn socialist.
Is there private ownership of capital? Does wage labor exist? Is profit the motivation for the market exchange of goods? Then Sweden is not socialist.
>>704539069
>the workers own and operate their workplaces democratically.
The workers are free to do this now and some do. You seem to want to outlaw other forms of economic organization - would that not require.....a powerful state?
And how do the 'people' make all the decisions? Direct vote on every issue?
Please tell us more. Since it so easy and all.
>>704539454
they don't care how big the bitch is, they commandeer the uterus all the same. I can get why that's enough an issue for people to vote on, all on its own
>>704538940
>It wasn't real communism! We just need to try it once more..
Nope. You've had your chances. Every time it had been tried its been awful for everyone involved, except the ruling class that is now the state.
Oh absolutely. The state will give up its power once it has it.
You're a fool.
>>704539197
Bill is not looking so well these days.
>>704539533
Thank God it isn't that type of socialism then. We'd be like Venezuela if it was.
>>704539858
Fuck me that's a Weekend at Bernies pic
>>704539512
You're as out to lunch as this confused person.
>>704538808
Yes that is what that word means. A non capitalist economic system would be one without free monetary transactions. Maybe you are thinking of free market capitalism? Look at 1950s socialist America. 90% of rich peoples wealth goes to the government and yet people still get rich.
>>704540066
those were literal trump quotes.
I didn't say anything.
>>704539644
>You seem to want to outlaw other forms of economic organization - would that not require.....a powerful state?
How dare the capitalist state outlaw the form of economic organization in which I can achieve my dream of becoming Grand Duke of Florida. If I choose to parcel up Florida into vassal fiefdoms and grant myself hereditary title to the land and all serfs thereon, what right do these capitalists have to restrict my freedoms? Don't they care about the divine right to rule?
Socialism is a fundamentally different society. It's not capitalism plus a powerful state. By fundamentally altering the productive relations between people, a new society organized in an entirely different way will be created. If you, a person born into capitalism, went back in time to experience feudal society, it would not just seem more primitive to you but ENTIRELY ALIEN in its organization and power relationships between people. And socialism is just as different from capitalism, except more advanced in culture and organization. There is as little need for capital ownership in socialist society as there is need for political kings in capitalist society.
>Since it so easy and all.
No, it won't be easy. It requires a revolutionary transformation of the deepest levels of social organization. That's why it's such a joke that people think it can be achieved through welfare programs. Socialism is an entirely new world.
>>704539971
>Thank God it isn't that type of socialism then.
It isn't any type of socialism. It's social democracy with mixed-market capitalism.
>We'd be like Venezuela if it was
Is there private ownership of capital in Venezuela? Does wage labor exist? Is profit the motivation for the market exchange of goods? Then Venezuela is not socialist. Note that this definition is not changing even a little bit.
>>704539069
You're not a former bus driver by any chance?
You exhibit a similar level of sophistication in economic theory as another such worker.
>>704539823
Keep getting "cucked" by the capitalist ruling class, then. We'll still be around when you figure it out.
>>704540155
And why might he say such things?
Do you bother to think of anything in more than one dimension?
