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What does /b/ think of the MRA movement?
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>>703940327
Like with a lot of things, depends on who you run into. Think feminism is bullshit, and there is a lot of hate brewing for non-snowflakes, but really don't like isms, really.
I prefer live and let live, above all else.
They make good points, unlike feminists who are almost always lying cunts.
>>703940327
... Rape culture IS a myth, though. In western society, rape is universally condemned and is illegal. People even accused of rape often lose everything... Guys, anyhow.
Plus, when people say 'that guy looked at me! Rape culture in action!' It makes it hard to take proponents of rape culture seriously.
>>703940327
Financial abortion!?!?!?
But why SHOULD a woman have a choice and not a man...?
>>703941721
There's around 700,000 rapes a year in the us alone.
And equating "freedom to play in traffic" with rape is just MRA logic at its best.
>>703940327
They're a bunch of virgin pussies. They need to man the fuck up
>>703940327
Isn't that a male perspective in general?
>>703942475
Are you that dumb...? It is pointing out that we have a responsibility for our own personal safety regardless of the threat, douche-bag.
When people act like stupid children, it makes sense to compare them.
Can you give an actual reason for why it doesn't apply...? Why is rape different than murder or burglary?
>>703942475
>There's around 700,000 rapes a year in the us alone.
please state your sources when you say shit like this
>>703942743
You cannot source something that's complete bullshit.
>>703942606
>They need to man the fuck up
The MRA movement itself would be their desperate attempt at that. They don't need to do that, they need to get on the right anti-depressants and actually head out into the real world instead of existing in an echo-champer of online forums.
everyone men and women alike need to stop bitching about everything.
its not too hard to figure out treat people decent and dont try to hurt them. what the fuck is so confusing about any of it?
>>703940327
I think it's in control of a bunch of shit fags.
There are actual problems facing men in society and MRA is making addressing them so much fucking harder than it needs to be.
>>703942867
>actually head out into the real world instead of existing in an echo-champer of online forums
Yeah, that's more or less what i meant
>>703943059
Oh lotr lol
>>703940327
wtf is this faggotry? there is no 'MRA' movement. women have sex because they want to, just like men.
>ITT: op claims women are inherently dumber than men and can't figure whether they want to have sex or not, thinks 'all males are rapist'
get a hold of yourself, faggot
>>703942730
MRA logic at its even more finest.
A)People are going to believe murder and burglary, Rape not so much.
B)They are pretty bad, just like Rape. And I love this constant victim blaming. "Everyone should be completely responsible for not getting murdered when they walk outside, because back when we did this the world was so much better and non-violent. Just look at all the countries where this is the prevailing thought process, they're awesome. Already bought my ticket to Riyadh, Saudi Arabia is the place to be".
>>703942867
Wouldn't the real world mean accepting people aren't equal. That rape is never going to go away. It's been around before for 200,000 years, no movement is going to change that. Everyone just needs to accept reality.
>>703942911
Nothing.
Now lets try to address ways in which we fail to do so:
Women make less per hour than men, so something is up here.
Men die younger than women, so something is up here.
Women are raped more than men, so something is up here.
Men are more often the victims of violent crime so something is up here.
etc.
>>703942743
>>703942836
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_in_the_United_States#Underreporting
INB4 wikipedia. The source that's always correct up until someone posts something I don't agree with.
>>703943645
Are we talking about rapes or "rapes"
>>703943580
>Everyone just needs to accept reality.
If that was true we wouldn't have the internet, or even toasters. We would live harsh, cold violent lives and most would be dead before the age of 30.
Got any more brilliant points to make?
>>703943580
"IT R EXIST, ACKECPT IT, DON'T TRY TO IMPROV, SOCIETY HAS NEVER DONE THAT EVER AND WE SHOULD JUST STAY WEDGED PERMANENTLY IN THE PAST.
You are just trolling at this point right? Serious question.
>>703943336
The flaw in your comment is 'completely responsible'. Who even says that?
And most people listen and believe. Unfortunately, the law is based on innocent until proven guilty, and sex between two people seldom has witnesses, meaning no evidence but he said she said.
No one wants to believe a friend would lie about rape, and no one wants to believe their friend would rape someone.
To imply that it is a mass of people simply saying 'durr hurr, women lie about de rape, men would never rape'.
Just look at the public outcry on most rape cases in the media.
>>703943873
Could you be any more madder?
>>703943771
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape
2-8 % of rapes are false reports. Pretty much one of the lowest rates of all crimes.
>>703943633
Women don't make less per hour than men. They work less on average and choose different fields. They are also less prominent in the workforce, meaning the odds against them for promotion are higher just based on sheer numbers.
>>703944190
If this was true:
>Women don't make less per hour than men.
Then why the fuck did you bring up this argument?:
>They are also less prominent in the workforce, meaning the odds against them for promotion are higher just based on sheer numbers.
>>703943988
see
>>703944084
>Just look at the public outcry on most rape cases in the media.
Which has nothing to do with it being a god-awful crime.
>>703943873
Well I look forward to seeing that improvement eradicate rape or any other human tendencies you disagree with. Wonder how long I'll have to wait. We only have 7.5 billion years before the earth is engulfed by our sun.
>>703943633
1. women used to do less work and their pay hasnt been adjusted since then
2. no clue whats up there. i know being larger makes our organs have to work harder but still i dunno what it is for sure
3. rape is natural. its wrong but its natural. solution is more first world education and positive moral influence even though i dont know how we could be any more pc in this area
4. men dont value each others lives like we do women and children which makes us care far less about hurting one another. where some might hesitate to hurt a woman or child nobody cares about men.
>>703944084
This is flawed in that it assumes none of the inconclusive cases are false reports. This is the same thing as some of the overinflated rape numbers that assume all accusations are true, and use bogus definitions of rape that include sex while drunk which, if all things were equal,mould imply they raped each other...
>>703944406
Since single men don't live as long as men in relationships I doubt that you'll get to see the end of our planet.
>>703944406
People often overplay the "virgin card" but in the cases of 90% of MRAs I ever deal with it turns out to the case. Saying you need to get laid at this point isn't just chiding, YOU really do need to get some ass.
>>703944532
Hence rape. Now we've come full circle.
>>703940327
Well it's not as cringe inducing as that picture.
I think the idea is a little silly in the same way I think modern feminism is a little silly
If you were to ask who I think have it worse: Men or Woman I would have to saw men do but I'll be biased.
It comes across more
>I know you are but what am I?
rather than a real cause however I do feel Men have life pretty hard, There is no "male code" where I can walk outside with a rolex watch "I am the 1%" badge and a million in pocket change at 1am feeling safe like Feminists seem to think there is.
I may not worry about getting raped but I do worry about getting mugged or stabbed.
The Streets arn't safe at midnight for anyone that includes men and woman.
>>703944441
>3. rape is natural.
If this is a correct rationale, shouldn't point 4 say basically just the same thing?
4. Violence against male rivals or perceived threats is natural. Its a shitty thing to do, but natural.
>>703944190
You're ignoring that the $0.77 women get per every $1.00 is based on specific career averages. Women working the same exact job as a male will make $.23 less on average, whether the ob is being a burger flipper or a CEO. Again, even that is averaged, and the gap is noticeably larger on the high end of the pay scale. The issue was never "Women don't make as much money as men" so much as it was "Women work the exact same job as a male coworker with the exact same results and still make less"
>>703943336
wtf are you even talking about nigger? stop playing word-salad and speak fucking english you retard
>>703940327
Its sigthly less retarded than the feminist movement.
>>703944635
I agree, but me getting laid isn't going to change anything. People still gonna be raping and killing.
>>703944357
This is speaking of promotion, meaning unless you have been promoted it is not comparing like with like.
I bring it up because there may be actual remaining issues, like glass ceiling effect to a degree, but a wage gap is not the issue as represented.
Basically, though, all things being equal, if you have 90% men in a field like engineering, then 9/10 promotions will be to men,make wing the numbers even though the female engineers are equally as competent. With each promotion level, this effect would grow, making the earnings shift exponentially, no discrimination required, driven only by low numbers of women choosing that field of work/study.
>>703943580
So then you're not angry at the kids who beat your ass everyday in middle school anymore?
That kind of shit has been around forever after all.
>>703943336
Having the right of way does not mean you should close your eyes and gun it across an intersection.
It is the same with your safety. Just because people should not harm you, it does not mean you should not take care to avoid situations were you could come to harm.
Walking in a dangerous area at night alone is dumb. If you have something happen to you it is aweful and the perpotraitor should be punished. The threat of punishment however will not protect you as easily as common sense will.
>>703944988
A)Most Rapists are known to victims.
B)This >>703944986
>>703940327
lol the man is fat and unfashionable, get it
the universe is a simulation and we are going to suffer forever to feed unfathomable space monsters
>>703944358
But it does have a hell of a lot to do with the claim of rape culture, which states that our society condones and encourages rape in various ways, as opposed to recognizing the horrid realities of this crime...
Welcome to the conversation...
>>703944986
Nope. Strong taking advantage or dominating the weak has been around since life started. Why would I be upset?
>>703944841
Spent the last fifteen minutes reading up on this.
Seems like there is a wage gap, it just isn't 18% as is often reported, but closer to 6 or 7%, after adjusting for college major, occupation, working hours, and maternal/paternal leave.
So there's something there. Exactly what it is is hard to pinpoint however.
>>703940327
They're just as ovenworthy as feminists.
Traditionalism uber alles.
>>703944728
yup. youre right.
but that shit that said isnt wrong either.
>>703940327
i think that people who don't sympathize are either stupid or whipped
>>703944792
No, it is based on specific career categories, and neglects amount of overtime worked, among other necessary control factors to compare like with like.
>>703945135
>claim of rape culture
Because blurred lines wasn't at the top of the charts and guro porn isn't everywhere and pretty much every third post on /b/?
>>703945181
Who are you really trying to convince?
>>703944792
You're ignoring the fact that women shouldn't be working
>>703944792
can you not pretend you've done some more math and that you have like.. actual facts? because you don't. your saying nothing intellectual here.
everything you just stated is factually wrong, already stated by the pic, or ignorant
>You're ignoring that the $0.77 women get per every $1.00 is based on specific career averages.
nah its stated right there men choose better jobs, raising the average. based on specific career averages.
>Women working the same exact job as a male will make $.23 less on average
nope. they dont make less in the same job, bud.
>The issue was never "Women don't make as much money as men" so much as it was
but it was this 100%. women get mad their shitty psychology/social work job doesnt get as much money as any engineer does.
>>703945181
Also for the people who are (trying) to be serious when they post that: The fact that we're winning automatically makes us superior according to your logic.
>>703945221
And if you further control for assertiveness of applicants in negotiating wages, you find men negotiate more. Even simply in asking for raises. In comparing men and women who don't, they make 6-8% less than men and women who do...
>>703943645
Well your source says 173,000 almost all of them were perpetrated by niggers and around 15% of the victims were males
So fuck you asshole
>>703945529
Noone. I don't try to convince anyone anymore. I just revel with each news report.
>>703945757
Winning what?
>>703945181
>muh survival of the fittest
Both the least convincing and least intellectually sound argument against (((feminism))). You belong in an oven tbh
>>703945467
You call those examples of rape culture...? A lot of songs speak to the complexities of sex in our culture. I find it odd that you guys always see rape in things like that. And fetishes in a screwed up place like /b/ are not representative, nor are fantasies that people have but would never act on a show of approval of actual rape.
>>703946044
Take a look around world mate.
>>703945113
If it is proven that most rapes are not done by strangers let people know where you are and with whom.
Don't be alone with someone you don't completely trust.
Yes it will not prevent all rape but if it cause 1 less victim isn't it worth it? Plus with people knowing what is going on in your schedule convictions of the guilty would be easier.
>>703945825
>Total rapes
>Not getting multiple attacks on same victim
> perpetrated by niggers
See chart. Yes the rates are higher for them then whites but they're not nearly responsible for "all of them".
> around 15% of the victims were males
So fuck you asshole
Is this kind of thinking why you weren't able to get into engineering school?
>>703946131
You're just not getting what culture is are you?
>>703946196
It's run by Jews and Marxists. They know that might is right as well as you and me, but they've used might to push their ideas rather than indulging in hedonism.
>>703946503
The idea of rape culture exists so that feminists can continue to attack traditional European society even after most Europeans have been shamed into submission.
>>703944462
Oh I guess no response to logical arguments since it doesn't back up the "men are rapists" narrative.
>>703946015
You'll notice that attitudes outside avoiceformen forums is overall a lot different than it was 20+ years ago.
>>703946503
Oh wise one, please provide an acceptable definition of rape culture! Please let it actually be worthy of the use of an overarching word like culture! Please let it not be a pretentious non-definition so a,big jobs that it could incorporate anything!
>>703944792
Thanks for the sources showing where this is proven, my position has changed
>>703946794
>so a,big jobs that it could incorporate anything!
>>703946757
Not sure what this means... The point of the post is that when looking at rape statistics people represent these pictures as valid when they aren't, considering that a case that is inconclusive can't really be considered one or the other.
Morality is subjective. You claim rape culture. Meanwhile Sambia tribe has the young digest semen of the elders as a coming of age rite. You think drunk people can't consent. Meanwhile sexual practices begin as young as the age of six on the Trobrian Islands. You underage sex is wrong. Meanwhile they make love huts in Cambodia where they place their daughters, as young as 12, to have sex with random guys until they find their live long mate. There really isn't any right or wrong we can find people who find your wrong as right and so on. These movements are meaningless.
>>703947138
Is this all stream of consciousness or do you guys actually think before typing?
>>703947036
Fucking autocorrect...
I thought I typed 'so ambiguous'.
>>703946756
A hedonistic mentally would probably mellow a lot of these people a lot. Nothing wrong with indulging pleasure.
>>703947307
Please enlighten us with your ethnocentric knowledge.
most rape victims deserved it anyway, usually they're huge sluts or they're horribly naive and stupid
>>703947677
>Pedophilia and rape is okay because people do it
That's basically what you're saying
While you're posting, bitches are getting raped out there. Leave your keyboard and go make a difference if these movements really mean anything to you.
>>703947913
That's how things work. Who are we to questions anyone's tradition or culture.
>>703940327
MRA isn't a movement, it's a fucking noun, get your shit straight.
>>703947508
There's nothing wrong with indulging in pleasure- to a point. But when you live for fucking cummies, rather than improving yourself and fixing society, that's a different story.
>>703947677
>any culture matters to European society except European culture
nah, relativism and universalism are for cucks
>>703944792
No it is not based on specific career averages, it is averaged across careers and time spent.
The data isn't normalized for how long you have worked a job, how many coworkers you have, how old you are, or distribution of either gender.
It's just a big average.
>>703948664
Guess that's where we'll have to disagree. Everyone has different values and moralities. Fixing society would and does only lead to conflict. Cummies are more enticing anyway.
Here's what i think of the MRA: They've got a point.
Men get fucked in family & divorce courts.
Men get fucked with a mere accusation of being rapists.
Men have to sign up for the draft if they want to vote.
Male medical conditions get less funding than the female counterpart (see testicle vs breast cancer).
Psycology is tailored to the female brain, hence the gargantuan amounts of pills being force-fed to little boys for being little boys, and the inneficacy of treatment to help men, which ends up with suicide being overwhelmingly male.
Male genital mutilation is legal.
"You advocate for men's rights" is an insult.
I could go on.
Women have problems too, but men's aren't even taken seriously, as this very thread proves.
And the most important thing is this: They're not blaming matriarchy, false-rape-accusation-culture or anything like that. They target specific laws and legislation, which is undeniably biased against men.
Excuse any typos i'm drunk and unwilling to spellcheck.
>feminism
Is retarded
>>703949347
Oh no, conflict? Perish the thought, no one should ever be made uncomfortable for being a degenerate!
Ah another win to revel in.
https://www.google.com/amp/ktla.com/2016/09/14/mother-of-new-mexico-girl-who-was-raped-killed-sought-men-to-sexually-assault-daughter-in-past-report/amp/?client=ms-android-verizon
Again, accept reality.
Mmm, look at all that female privilege
>>703950658
That's because of Jews. Even more directly than the rest of what you're posting.
>women don't coerce men!
>>703949843
>Men have to sign up for the draft if they want to vote.
if you live in the U.S. I have bad news for you. you have to sign up for the draft even if you don't want to vote. you're just automatically signed up when you register to vote.
>>703950385
Who determines what degenerative or not?
>>703945221
Almost all men dont take paternity leave.
While 100% of women take maternity leave.
Often to come back and realize their job is no longer there, and has been merged in with another department/etc.
>>703950798
Whatever leads to a weakening of the individual and of society.
>>703951038
Maternity leave shouldn't exist because women shouldn't work
>>703942319
A man does have a choice. It's called a vasectomy.
>>703942475
He said rape culture is a myth because it is. You dumb feminists think rape culture is a white male Christian thing. The vast majority of rapists are Democrats if they vote at all. Dipshit.
>>703940327
It's become as bad as femenism. It's got good points, but it's drowning under an age of people wanting to be victims. It's degenerated into what it hates.
I had an argument 2ith someone who claimed circumcision is worse than female genital mutilation. I honestly feel like the world's lost its God damn mind.
>>703951222
I was going to countersignal you for "muh democrats are the real x" but then I realized that most niggers vote democrat.
>>703943336
But if you walked down an alley at night, where 10 people were murdered in the past month, you are responsible for significantly raising your chances of being murdered. Shouting that you have the right to not be murdered doesn't help, because the murderer doesn't care.
>>703940327
I don't identify as an MRA or Feminist , I think that Feminism had some good points in the past but has now devolved into something horrendous towards both sides , I think that the MRA is now like what Feminism used to be , a large group with a majority of good points and a few bad apples.
Because of the horrible situation I am in as a white straight man in the west , I have been MGTOW since I was 20 years old , I don't associate with women for sexual or romantic encounters , the only women I have any kind of relationship with are relatives and friends girlfriends or wives.
White women in the west are the most privileged people in the history of the world and are still unhappy and blame everyone else for their emotional state.
Why would any sane man have sex with , father children with , live with or marry a person that at any time can accuse them of rape , domestic violence and abuse , only to be kicked out of the house you paid for , lose access to your children and forfeit future earnings.
Fuck it , I'm out , you ladies have a nice day , it will be without me.
>>703944084
Stop quoting wikipedia you dumb cunt. Those numbers come from bullshit women's groups full of idiots like you who failed algebra in high school. You are quoting wikipedia because as bad as a source it is, it carries more weight than the dishonest organizations that actually calculated that bullshit.
>>703951143
A degenerate can just find a culture/society where his fancy is common place. A person likes underage coitus? Well there are places out there where that's totally legal! Want to fuck an animal, there are places with no laws against that as well. The world is pretty diverse.
>>703944792
If that was true, why wouldn't companies just hire women to save money?
go back to tumblr
>>703944792
>>703951355
The poor disproportionately vote democrat too. Of course most violent rapes are perpetrated by Democrats.
>>703951594
Nah. You don't get to choose your culture any more than you get to choose your race. The two are completely intertwined.
>>703944792
It has been illegal since the 1970s to pay women a different hourly rate . women work less hours and take more time off.
Women do not earn as much money because they refuse to work as hard as men.
>>703951774
Sure you can. All it takes is a plane ticket and a new address.
>>703940327
>>703944792
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>>703951158
That would be the equivalent of hysterectomy, not abortion... So not the same choice.
>>703951908
Go see how the brown people/slants in your new "home" feel about that.
>>703944792
I would love if you would give us some specific examples. Since it's such a widespread problem, it should be quite easy for you to list a few companies that make it corporate policy to pay women less than men.
>>703951959
We'll I've been in my current location for about five years now. Indulging myself in things I couldn't in my pervious location. I've acclimated to this culture quite fine. They don't say "When in rome" for nothing.
>>703952451
And where would that be?
>>703951815
Its not that simple though... which is why the average libtard cannot grasp the fallacy of their position.
>>703952527
Brazil.
>>703940327
never met one that was not a neck beard
at the same time though just like feminism there are some parts in it that bring up valid points, equal rights for men in divorce court for example
>>703952990
The upper class of Brazil, and even further down, is fairly Europeanized so I don't call that much of an adjustment.
I expected you to say Japan, or somewhere in Europe, which would have been even less so.
>>703953345
But what I can purchase here is very different. And people's moral views on that purchase are very different. I've been happier here then I've been anywhere else I've lived.
Look, let's cut right to the point here. Are there crazy feminists out there? Of course there are. Are there reasonable MRAs? I'm sure. But the point isn't picking sides or drawing lines, it's that there's a serious issue with gender equality all around. And instead of turning it into a matter of which issues are more important, and to which gender, we should just accept the fact that all these issues are unfair and unequal to everyone.
Rape culture. It's fucking horrendous. For everyone. Nobody wants rapists going free. Nobody wants non-rapists being falsely accused. Fuck the gender, let's focus on the truth.
Income disparity. Yes, I know. In a broad sense it's a statistical hiccup caused by unequal gender representation across career fields with different income expectations. But that doesn't mean that it's not happening on a small scale, and it doesn't mean that we should accept the unequal gender representation in those career fields. Every job should be available to anyone who meets the qualifications, regardless of gender. The means of getting those qualifications should be equally available to everyone regardless of gender. The encouragement or discouragement of pursuing that career should not be based on gender.
I could go on, but this is already getting pretty long.
tl;dr Let's stop being children and accept that gender inequality exists and sucks for everyone.
>>703940327
Can't feel guilty about pressuring someone into having sex with me if I've never had sex
Checkmate.
>>703954170
>>703954170
Gender inequality exists because the sexes are not equal.
If you are a woman, you are not a man. Your psychology and physiology are different. You are suited to certain things, which more or less work out to the female gender role. You CAN step out of that role, but it's going to be either psychologically or physically difficult as compared to staying within it. The same is true for men.
If you think that sexual disparities suck, then I think you have some problems.
>>703954170
If women are paid such lesser wage, why are men hired? You could save $0.25 per employee.
Why do the corporations not take advantage of this, if there indeed is a wage gap
There are legit issues on both sides of the fence, but Tumblrinas hijacked feminism, and have succeeded in turning MRA into a dirty word.
>>703952856
Yes , it is.
Women do not work as many hours on average as men do on average,
They both being payed the same hourly rate , of course men will ON AVERAGE EARN more,
Paid the same hourly rate , work less hours , retire earlier and have PAID maternity leave.
Women are not oppressed.
>>703951418
American girls no good. Asian girls, while definitely not subservient, do recognize the value of the family unit.
>>703956000
I live in Australia , my friend got divorced from a spoiled white woman and married a younger , hotter & nicer Indonesian girl.
Now he is a man with a woman that he takes care of.
>>703954805
Read it again. I didn't say they are paid a lesser wage.
>>703954674
>If you think that sexual disparities suck, then I think you have some problems.
Do elaborate.
>>703940327
You never stem the tide of fanatics with moderates. You need more crazies on the other side.
Women are kinda empathy-lacking cunts for the most part. Not really progressing the better side of humanity.
>>703956963
I did above that. The fact that men and women are different should be respected. Forcing women into male gender roles is only going to harm them.
>>703956000
>>703956765
>racemixing
>>703956765
American men need to give the psycho-feminazi-mfas their just deserts and choose Asian women who know the meaning of family.
>>703940327
Discrimination against men is clear as day in both law and policy. There is no room for debate, it is black and white. Selective service, affirmative action, police bias, public schools geared towards girls, the list goes on...
However, due to gynocentrism in humans (proven via science), it is impossible for the MRA movement to be successful. Both men and women will automatically side with women and girls due to this bias, and women will continue to enjoy their superior position in society probably until the end of the planet. Plus, any organization of men can be defeated by women strategically withholding or granting sex to weak members of the organization.
>>703957334
Too bad. American women are no good. Asian's aren't subservient, but they don't fuck over their husbands and family.
>>703957963
Or maybe, since women are children, you could find a white woman and keep her in line. Racemixing serves the Jew as much as feminism does.
>>703943336
A) Murder leaves a body. Burglary leaves a broken home/car and fucked up shit. In other words, evidence.
B) I am personally responsible for myself to not get murdered or have my shit stolen. I use locks and alarms and have firearms for my defense. It is NOT stupid to take basic measures to protect yourself. Rape is the same way. Don't leave your naked passed out ass handing over a park bench and expect to not have a sore butthole in the morning.
>>703958119
The only thing it serves is to make the American male who chooses an asian as opposed to a feminazi-mfa-ball-busting american wench quite happy (with an additional advantage of a kid with an iq 2X that of white-white).
>>703959140
All I'm hearing is that you're too weak to perpetuate your genes. Instead you'd rather go for an Asian and raise a racially diluted child who'll grow up with identity issues, not to mention the knowledge that you either married his mom because you were a massive weeb or because you were a beta faggot.
>>703957256
No one is forcing anyone into opposing gender roles, I'm simply saying we shouldn't force anyone into any gender roles. Don't tell kids what toys they can and cannot play with, or what professions they can and cannot aspire to. Just let them decide on their own. It's not a free society's place to place restrictions on people based on their gender.
>>703960029
>more women should do male things!
>b-but I don't want to force them to do what they don't want!
If you give a girl a choice between a doll and a gun, she'll play with the doll. If you give a woman a choice between raising children and working in an office, she'll raise children. Why try to "fix" something that isn't a problem?
>>703958209
Of course, if you're naked, passed out, and in public, it is very likely that a rape might occur. That doesn't mean the rape shouldn't be prosecuted, or that the rapist was not a fucked up human being for doing that to someone. Just like if I leave my house unlocked and get robbed and/or murdered, that doesn't mean the person who perpetrated the crime should get away with it, just because it was easy to perpetrate the crime. It's still wrong. The blame should still be on the criminal, not the victim.
>>703940327
why is there always a ponytail?
>>703959881
My genes are there, tweeblet, and they contributed to the iq significantly higher than the white-white trash he has to deal with. The long and short of it is, the american white feminazi has dug her own hole. Intelligent whites males have other options and their offspring will be mentally superior.
>>703960948
Yeah, and their race will die out, especially after their Elliot Rodger sons off themselves. Good job, goy.
>>703940327
pretty much garbage, plus most of those aren't rights.
>>703961119
I agree with you, and yet I feel almost certainly that you belong in an oven as much as they do.
>>703961309
>and yet I feel almost certainly that you belong in an oven as much as they do.
did i say something?
>>703960300
I didn't say more women should do male things. I said there shouldn't be "male things".
As for those "choices" you laid out, those are socially reinforced choices. The girl will choose the doll, because all the doll ads have little girls in them, playing with dolls. And the toy gun ads all have little boys playing with toy guns. I'm not saying anyone should be forced to choose one or the other, I'm saying they should stop being influenced to choose one or the other based on their gender. Gendered ads are doing just what you say shouldn't happen: forcing people into gender roles, without their permission. If a girl still chooses a doll and a boy still chooses the toy gun, okay. That's great. But they made the choice because it's what they want, not because it's what they've been told to want.
And if a man wants to raise a family, why the fuck shouldn't he? The only thing stopping him is the social stigma. The stigma that in order to be a man, he has to put more numbers into a bank account than a woman, or he is otherwise worthless. There needs to be a freedom of choice. And sure, that's not something that can be undone overnight, or even over a decade, but we can at least stop reinforcing it, now, instead of throwing our hands up and claiming it's out of our control.
"Biology says I have to like murder and explosions, and that learning how to take care of a child is for pussies!" No, biology didn't say that. Gendered media and social expectations said that.
>>703961524
Nothing that I didn't agree with. Something about the way you said it, though.
>>703961912
Oh, so you're just a second-wave feminist. That's cool, and also just as wrong as third-wave.
Gender roles exist for a reason.
>>703962143
okay, well, going by your reasoning, i'd have say you don't seem all that pleasant either.
however I not going to wish you into and oven, because who the fuck thinks of that?
>>703961111
Uh, you may not have noticed but white people off themselves at higher rate than white/asian, and with good reason.
>>703951636
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>>703962467
A bored, slightly triggered fascist. Sorry for jumping on you, though.
This will explain my personal beliefs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yCcp36n2cDg
>>703959881
>Instead you'd rather go for an Asian and raise a racially diluted child who'll grow up with identity issues,
yeah... I think the family gene pool suffers when there is a LACK of bio-diversity. (case in point, the American south).
besides, the best people I know are mixed or from mixed families. so I don't know why people always run screaming from that.
>>703962971
no prob, so where do you stand on the issue being discussed?
>>703957453
>Implying that women actually want an MRA
It's funny because it's true.
>>703957743
Of course there is discrimination against men. All over the goddamn place. But the solution to gynocentrism isn't androcentrism. You want to get rid of inequality? You have to meet in the middle. The problem with the MRA is that they are called Men's Rights Activists, when they should be supporting gender equality. Not feminism. Gender equality. Not men's rights. Gender equality. It's not about who is superior, or who is perceived as superior, it's that we should all be treated equally.
Gynocentrism is a relic of a time when reproduction was a biological imperative. But androcentrism in the past has been equally as shitty. We need to meet in the middle, otherwise someone is always being discriminated against. We're all just people forced into a binary "us or them" conflict, and it's nonsense.
>>703963012
Europe is pretty diverse without the addition of hordes of brown people, thanks. I would rather not have my culture and race destroyed because you personally think mixed people are great.
>>703963204
Traditionalism. MRAs and feminists are both oven fuel. Women and men both have their part to play in the nuclear family, which itself is the foundation of a healthy society. Women shouldn't work, so the pay gap is moot even if it's real. Much of the sexual politics of both sides would be made moot if extramarital and premarital sex were socially discouraged. Basically both sides come at the issue from completely the wrong viewpoint.
Shouldn't this post be on /pol/?
>>703963720
Go jerk off to traps
>>703963012
Part of the reason is they're often from the american south, where until recently the gene pool was, shall we say, not partcularly robust.
>>703963720
probably should...
>>703962268
I don't even know what third wave feminism is, but I don't even like the term "feminist". It's just as gendered as what they're fighting against. If you have time, I'd be interested in knowing what the differences in second and third wave feminism are, from your perspective, and why you consider it wrong.
As for gender roles, they did exist for a reason. That reason has expired. The world is overpopulated. We don't need to protect women as the only source of babies, and men don't have to hunt for their food anymore. Technology has made just about everything accessible to anyone, regardless of gender. The only thing that's keeping the binary gender roles alive is society, either directly, or through inaction.
But if you like, you can explain to me why you think gender roles still need to exist in 2016 and beyond.
>>703943336
>>703942475
Hahahaha, try 170,000 (2013) and that number is dropping.
>>703964135
Refer to >>703963636 for my view on gender roles. As for feminist waves, basically
>First wave
Women should have the same rights as men!
>Second wave
Women can do everything men can!
>Third wave
Women are better than men!
Second and third wave are pretty Jewish. I'm not entirely sure about first wave, since it's a retroactively applied term.
>>703963636
>I would rather not have my culture and race destroyed because you personally think mixed people are great.
The internet and globalism are pretty much going to destroy all cultures in their present form, so... yeah... unless you are willing to give up this very media apperatus were are currently on, good luck with that.
as far as people race mixing? well, its up to them. YOU can bang as many of your own race as you like though.
>>703963798
well at this point they are going the way of the Hapsburg... and I don't think many outsiders would willingly want bang then and fix the genetic problems down there...
>>703964505
>The internet and globalism are pretty much going to destroy all cultures in their present form
Fuck globalism. As for the Internet, nah. "Muh technology" isn't an argument.
>race mixing
I'm not talking about that. Racemixing doesn't really happen that often, despite the (((media))) promoting it pretty heavily. I'm talking about demographic displacement- the Muslim invasion in Europe, Mexican immigration in America. Whites don't breed at the same rate as browns.
>>703963636
>Women and men both have their part to play in the nuclear family, which itself is the foundation of a healthy society. Women shouldn't work, so the pay gap is moot even if it's real. Much of the sexual politics of both sides would be made moot if extramarital and premarital sex were socially discouraged.
sounds like a post war judeo-chritian model.
>>703964837
>Whites don't breed at the same rate as browns.
well, then its inevitable...
>>703964920
Judeo-Christian is a pretty anti-semitic term. Jews don't believe what we believe, and it's offensive to conflate them with us. As for post-war, not at all. That arrangement has been the norm since the Middle Ages at least, and no, "muh extended kinship groups" does not invalidate man+woman+offspring as the fundamental unit of society.
>>703965237
Unless they go back, yes.
>>703965271
>Unless they go back, yes.
I don't think you can, the world has changed too much. you can fight it and lose, or accept is and master the change. but its your choice in the end.
>>703964837
"Whites don't breed at the same rate as browns."
Most likely because of the feminazi-mfa attitude so prevalent among white wenches. I mean who wants a piece of that skank?
>>703965474
Sure we can. The logistics of removing Hispanics from America aren't actually that difficult- especially if we incentivize them to "self-deport". I would imagine that removing Muslims from Europe would be similarly easy.
>>703965536
>all white women are feminists who will leave you, goy!
Nah. Kill yourself.
>>703943771
Yes, because according to federal law in the U.S., having consensual sex with a 17 year old whose hot for you when you're 18 is rape.
>>703965271
>As for post-war, not at all.
I was reffering to the nuclear family model.
prior to then you had kids, parents, grandparents, and other family in the same house. it was only after WWII that the american middle class was rich enough to split up the families into other homes.
>>703965947
There we go with the extended kinship groups. The core of such groups was, again, the married couple and their children.
A woman gets caught nude in public, people giggle and laugh and if she's still around when the cops come, they cover her up and write her a citation. She goes to court and pays a fine.
When a man does the same thing, he's arrested, spends months in jail, tier 3 sex offender - 15 years on the registry.
Meaning
>cant get a job
>virtually impossible to find a place to legally live
>everything thinks he's a pedo
>safety constantly in jeopardy.
But when a woman does it. Oh tee-hee-hee.
>>703964489
Okay, well yes and no. Mostly no. Women can do everything men can? Well obviously, aside from the bits that require specific reproductive systems. (Just the systems though, not necessarily the organs). That's redundant. What needs to be said, however, is that men can do everything women can do as well. Because when it boils down to it, we're all so different, regardless of sex, gender, race, etc. that if we just stopped letting society program us to fulfill specific roles, we'd find that we can do whatever we are actually capable of doing, rather what society says we should be capable of doing.
I know a fuckload of shitty moms, and a bunch of great dads. I know a lot of horrible dads and amazing moms. I know a lot of shitty people, and a lot of great people, but mostly a lot of people who are just doing their best with what they've been given. And do you know what they all have in common? It's not their gender or their sex, it's that they're just fucking people. People who are good and bad and just okay.
The nuclear family is a relic. Procreation is not society's primary goal anymore. And socialization of our children is crucial, but not through a gendered mold. The nuclear family begets more nuclear families, which encourages more nuclear families, and the world is overpopulated. And the world is diverse. We need to stop this pipe dream of having an endlessly replicating "perfect family" that does nothing but consume resources and endlessly replicate. We need to just be free to be people and seek our happiness, if such a thing is even possible.
>>703966350
>Women can do everything men can? Well obviously,
I never said they couldn't. Men can do everything women can too, they just do the female things more poorly. The same is true in the opposite case.
>we just stopped letting society program us to fulfill specific roles
>muh tabula rasa
>I know a fuckload of shitty moms, and a bunch of great dads. I know a lot of horrible dads and amazing moms
Fathers are important too, fam. I never said otherwise. Fathers and mothers fulfill different roles in the family, though.
>The nuclear family is a relic.
Nope. It's the primary social unit from which all others derive.
>Procreation is not society's primary goal anymore.
A civilization that doesn't perpetuate itself through procreation dies out.
>>703966347
Yeah, it's completely fucked. That's what gender inequality has led to. Sexual objectification is out of control. It tips the scales so women get a pass for sex crimes, because "Oh, but wasn't it hot? Who wasn't on board with that sex crime?" While men get tried twice as hard, because regardless of the truth of the matter, men are seen as predators, because rampant sexual objectification has claimed that men are implicitly in favor of it. And the droves of men arguing that sexual objectification is a made up issue are the ones implying it.
>>703965713
>I would imagine that removing Muslims from Europe would be similarly easy.
yeah, but where would you move them too. the middles east has taken its fill and their original homes are rubble
>>703966347
Women are ragingly offended by female exhibitionists, especially if their kids see it or even if they just have kids at all.
The reason it's no big deal to the courts is because men rule the world, and most of them are heterosexual, and the world includes the government and the courts and hetero men don't want to see your junk.
>>703967359
>the middles east has taken its fill and their original homes are rubble
That sounds like their problem.
>>703967379
>>703945868
underrated
>>703966797
>No, we really didn't. Boys still get sold "boy toys" and girls still get sold "girl toys" through gendered media every goddamn day, and those toys push gendered lifestyles that reinforce archaic gender roles (which you don't believe to be archaic, but are).
Fathers are absolutely important. But your insistence that they fulfill different roles is flawed. Men and women can fill any of the roles, without diminishing their effectiveness, barring some specific biological ones (breast feeding -without fucking up your hormonal chemistry-) or personal experience (explaining puberty to a child from a place of personal experience). And even those can still be done by the other parent, it just takes some work and research or baby formula, which let's be honest, is not as good as breast milk, but just because a man can breast feed with hormone therapy, doesn't mean it's worth the side effects.
But you've still yet to list these roles which, from your perspective, cannot be fulfilled by the other parent.
>Nope. It's the primary social unit from which all others derive.
Just because something is the forebear of something else, doesn't mean it's not a relic. In fact, that's usually good indication that it's been replaced by more modern versions, which suit the needs of a more modern society
>A civilization that doesn't perpetuate itself through procreation dies out.
And a species that procreates beyond their resources goes extinct. I'm okay with our civilization changing a bit if it means our species survives.
One last thing:
>Men can do everything women can too, they just do the female things more poorly.
There are no "female things" (barring obvious anatomical restrictions). The only things they do poorly, are the things that they haven't done as frequently. Girls don't grow up inherently knowing how to do "female things" and boy don't inherently know how to do "male things". It's all experience, and experience can be acquired, regardless of gender.
>>703969219
>I'm okay with our civilization changing a bit if it means our species survives.
It won't change, it will go away. It will be replaced by groups who refused to buy into the "blank slate" garbage that you're pushing, because any group that does buy into it makes itself reproductively unfit, with effeminate males and masculine females everywhere the eye can see.
The question, then, is whether you want that group to be traditionalist whites or Muslims and Hispanics.
