>2016 >still being religious >surfing 4chan and being
The stories and information posted here are artistic works of fiction and falsehood.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
Only a fool would take anything posted here as fact.
>2016
>still being religious
>surfing 4chan and being nothing but a dissembler
what the fuck is actually wrong with you, to still believe, or pretend to believe, this bullshit?
>inb4 some maymays about fedoras because none of you can come up with a legitimate reason to still being religious
My religion is very important to me and my loved ones. By ridiculing our views without any arguments, you're just showing your own immaturity and giving all atheists a bad name.
Grow up.
>>703892310
>I saw an online post telling me I was stupid!
>WAAAAAAHHHHH!!!
Shut the fuck up you whiny piece of shit. At least have the awareness not to complain about insignificant bullshit while your religion commits crimes against humanity.
If you can't handle opposing viewpoints, get the fuck off the computer.
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>>703892110
>not willing to murder someone based on thousands of years of passing down "God's word"
>edgy
What does that make radical fundamentalist Christians and Muslims? Violently psychotic?
>>703893190
>awareness not to complain about insignificant bullshit
>Doing that exact thing right now in own thread
>>703893517
>the systematic rape of children over hundreds of years by Christian institutions is insignificant bullshit
Seriously, what the fuck do you even have to bitch about?? People aren't openly celebrating your religion with you?
Go whine to the Jews and Muslims you fucking shitstain.
JESUS is my friend
He never lets me down
He always gets me up
Im with op
Atheism and every religion is shitty to the core. Subhumans
>>703894157
Oh, I started sounding weird, huh.. maybe I understand now how some monarchs thought
>>703893395
>that pic
>what is communism
>>703894157
atheism is not an institution and you can only attempt to characterize it by generalizing the behavior of individuals, which is just foolish.
People may be shit, but the lack of a belief does not make them that way, it's their beliefs that do that.
>>703891298
Anyone with a grasp of logic knows God exists.
>>703894422
Communism is an economic model
It is not atheism
Get educated, twit
>>703894570
Citation needed
Atheism is a religion-like organization as far as i know.
>>703894657
WHICH God?
Even Christians can't agree on a singular interpretation.
>>703894157
>>703894570
Oh, and I'm agnostic, as the word means
>>703891298
I dont like religion either
>>703894847
Just do it
>>703894720
Then you really don't know shit
>religion-like
you could say the same thing of every corporate brand in existence. When you over-generalize the meaning of words, you lose any sort of point you were trying to make.
>>703894676
http://victimsofcommunism.org/the-war-on-religion/
Lenin hated religion and implemented it into communism.
>>703894840
agnostic WHAT?
Most Christians and atheists are agnostic, it's just a statement about certainty, not belief.
Im christian but i do bad things like have sex, smoke weed, take pills every now and then. But being normally religious is normal like i go to church every once in a while, its nice hearing the chants and hearing about times in the past and such. Its also nice beliving in god and having someone to pray too when things are going bad and someone to thank when things are going good.
>>703894986
>implemented it
what is it? His hatred?
This still has nothing to do with atheists, you can in fact hate religion without being an atheist, as it is a statement of your belief in deities, not your opinion on their worldly institutions.
>>703894973
Use the internet, Wikipedia is your friend.
>>703895050
"Agnostic Atheist" using this table
>>703894847
Dumb
>>703895210
Also, these words, i know what they mean, they're Greek, I'm Greek, etc etc
>>703895144
>Its also nice beliving in god and having someone to pray too when things are going bad and someone to thank when things are going good.
What is weakness, Alex?
I'll take religion for 500
>>703895210
>wikipedia
really? Find some better sources, and some self-respect.
>>703895414
Give me those reliable sources then, dude.
>>703891298
Angryman is angry!
>>703895395
>I WANT TO
>>703891298
2016, trying this hard.
>>703895462
for what?
*tips fedora*
>>703895395
>>703895531
>>703895575
>for what?
Ah, i see
>>703895370
Fear of death. Ultimate fear of ceasing.
>>703891298
i´d say there is a rather even amount of atheits and deits around here
i wouldn´t believe in god even if he levitated in front of me though
> OP isn´t a faggot
Questioning things is the most accurate sign of intelligence. Following the herd, is the opposite. There you go.
>>703893395
I prefer the term "evangelical atheist"
>>703891298
Not personally religious but I tend to believe it makes people more empethetic. Sure there are radicals but I don't think their views make them a radical I think they were born as a person with a mind only capable of conceiving extremes. There are plenty of people who are good and wholesome and they learned some of it by learning various religious texts
>>703895735
>around here
are you talking about /b/ or where you are physically located?
Being over-represented on an anonymous image board doesn't really accomplish much.
>>703895834
That's why Agnosticism is the true evolution, which by the way Agnostic means "with no knowledge", meaning without proof ultimately.
>>703895911
>using an explicitly Christian term to define a type of atheism
your preference is stupid
>>703894986
>implemented
Incorporated
>>703896122
No no no.
Evangelical is an Ancient Greek word.
>>703896029
was referring to /b/ or /pol/
wouldn´t about other boards
>>703894570
Atheism is a religion.
>>703896183
no, it was BASED on an ancient greek word (as so many are), there's a big fucking difference.
The word "Evangelical" itself was not invented until the 16th century, and it was to describe Christians explicitly.
>>703896413
nope
>>703896420
Maybe, you're are somehow right about that, i don't have much knowledge on the later use
>>703891298
Actually, 14 year old OP. Science (which most atheists get a boner for) has caused much more death than religion. Scientific weapons (atom bombs) have killed thousands of people can continue to effect birth defects to this day. Now stop whining because other people are smart enough to know God exists.
>>703896076
Its weird tho to proclaim declaratively that you know nothing with certainty. If you TRULY knew nothing with certainty then you might possibly know everything.
Agnosticism = Contradictory self-important bullshit
>>703896452
>nope
Good defense
>>703896420
>>703896505
Though, i gotta say, It wasn't "BASED".
It is that exact word still used today.
Ευ = Καλο(Good)
Αγγελια = (News)
>>703896505
If you want to know origins of words, look up that word along with the term "etymology"
>the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.
>>703896505
you mean it's contemporary use? what are u a time traveler?
>>703896665
You get what you pay for
>>703896623
That is quite brilliant dude.
Still, i wouldn't be able to say IF i knew that i knew everything
>>703896619
>phone or pc and internet made by science too
gtfo of the internet the
>>703896718
oh dude..
Etymo = Ετοιμο(ready)
Logy = Λογος(Reason)
>>703896764
Just like atheism requires faith.
>>703896834
>let me counter a fact with something irrelevant to the topic
Good job!!! You are successful at memes
>>703896708
>exact word still used today
NO
The Greeks used the word euangelos and then euangelikos. The term evangelical was not created until the 16th century, which is when it's meaning was decided.
>>703896834
Religion also provides shelter and food for the helpless. Look up any mission trip. With that logic you have proved religion is good.
>>703896865
Yes, as you can see, the meaning of words is more than just what their ancient Greek translation amounts to.
>>703897001
really?
>Which is when it's meaning was decided
Really?
>>703896883
>requires faith
in what?
>>703897075
No, it's the exact word, which i'm feeling happy to see that they did a good job creating those
>>703896619
Holy fuck how can you be this stupid
>>703893726
Lol never stated I was a Christian or affiliated with any other religion. You're reaching pretty far for this bait thread friend
>>703897178
Kinda mechanical. Whoa, never been this happy since 2007 while browsing /b/
>>703897060
>mission trips
did more harm than good, everybody knows this
It's the Christians fault AIDS is an epidemic in Africa and South America. It's fine for Europeans to use condoms since the time of Jesus, but you tricked the colored people into thinking it would melt their dicks.
>>703897116
Prove to me that there is no God. Oh wait, you can't because it can't be proven. Sounds like faith to me.
>>703896765
that's the point. if agnosticism is knowing nothing with certainty, you should be able to say that you don't know anything, let alone everything. But take it one more step and then you can't even be certain about that, so why have a definition?
Certainty/faith is rubric to divine rhythm and sense from the unknowable and insensible universe.
>>703897299
>do more harm than good, everyone knows this
>does not provide a source
I forgot I was talking to an angsty little kid. My bad top lel
>>703897273
>My religion is very important to me and my loved ones
>Lol never stated I was affiliated with any religion
Then I wasn't talking to you, fuck off you shitposting faggot
>>703896619
Omg this is some bad taste bait. Do not even bother answering this fag.
>be me
>beta af
>don't really believe in any religion
>watch anime to cover up loneliness
>more hentai than I can list
>become interested in shinto
>build shrine at home
>start leaving small offerings of food and wine
>eat food myself later
>feel less lonely
tl;dr, if I can fap to a fake girl, I can pray to a fake god.
>>703897299
No one is this dumb. Nice bait, 8/8
B....B...BUT I NEED MY RELIGION ! I HAVE BEEN INDOCTRINATED AS A CHILD AND CANT THINK FOR MY SELF !
>everyone with a iq below 130 should be forcibly euthanized
>>703897464
You posted a thread on /b/ you're talking to everyone you Fedora wearing virgin momma's boiii
>>703897302
Then that faith has nothing to do with religion.
You can twist and generalize the meanings of words all you want, it doesn't change reality.
>>703897373
Dude, truly brilliant, though, i gotta say
i know nothing, it could be everything, not feeling like there's more as it can impact my focus on things, right?
>>703897446
http://www.npr.org/2012/07/20/157105485/missionaries-in-africa-doing-more-harm-than-good
Atheism by its very nature is a "religion" of war. Its only reason for existence is to be at war with all religions. There's no logical reason for it because the only logically correct stance is agnosticism.
>>703897713
you deviant
>>703897577
>>703897599
Can u rephrase that? don't quite get the question
>>703897756
>Seconding
The word itself, says so.
Arguments about that?
>>703897842
Ah, it was rhetorical
>>703897581
Faith as everything to do with religion and atheism. Of course you don't want to accept that because it will hurt your pride
>>703897522
>no one is this dumb
what a hilariously naive thing to say
>>703897998
I have faith that my car will start this morning.
Has absolutely nothing to do with religion, you have lost.
>>703898106
What does Atheism comes from?
Let "Bob" into your mind
>>703898169
birth
everyone was born an atheist
>>703898169
>Where*
anyways
>>703898231
Really?
A = No
Theism = God (Following god)
So ..
>>703898244
>anyways
that's not a real word, FYI
if you're going to bother making corrections, quit fucking up
>>703898013
>I found a chart online
>It has to be 100% correct
>>703898333
Babies do not believe in God
REALLY
>>703898336
Thanks for correcting me though
>>703897985
Hard to tell when your sentences are structured so poorly.
It's far too coincidental to believe that this entire Universe is simply a product of randomness. For example: see the second law of thermodynamics.
>>703898400
True, true
>>703898106
Religion requires faith. Atheism requires faith. Are you really that naive to understand that?
>>703898461
>Are you really that naive to understand that?
do u english?
Lots of things require faith. Having a healthy relationship requires faith in your partner, this still has nothing to do with religion.
>>703891298
Intelligent people don't believe in god but understand why religion is crucial for forming and maintaning civilization, which is why europe is collapsing atm, church has no power anymore
PRAISE HIS SWEET NAME -- OR BURN IN SLACKLESSNESS TRYING NOT TO!
>>703892310
>Without any arguments
Your familly and yourself are part of a group of people that is lobbying governments to push laws that affect me directly.
Because you and your fucktard relatives want to live in a Tumblr safezone world where no one disagree with you, I've to cope with money being thrown at "museums" featuring dinosaurs riding Adam & Eve and creationism as ground knowledge for people in charge of making my medicines.
Just keep your fuckery to yourself so that they are only harming you.
>>703896452
Op, no offense (or do) but you are a fucking disgrace to atheists everywhere, starting of, atheism IS a religion it is the belief that there is no god, just because it's no doesn't make it not a religion, second, if you wanted to actual arguments you would have listened instead of going batshit against anyone that has different views
Now, I am considered jewish (mom is jewish) but I consider myself agnostic - agnostic means that you are not sure whether there is or isn't a god and you don't choose to believe either until one is proved
>TL;DR op is a stupid prick that should lurk moar before ever posting again
>>703892310
Not OP here
What this anon os saying is true
Im an atheist because I dont believe in things that I cant see, however, I respect people who do.
What pisses me off is that these motherfuckers who are here trying to piss off religious people are just as annoying as those christians who are giving out flyers about their church. Where I live they're fucking everywhere
>>703891298
> "i hate religion"
MY religion is as much a part of my heritage as my last name, so I could honestly care less who respects me less for going to mass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5yppkadDCY
>>703898602
>Europe is collapsing because the church has no power
That's the dumbest shit I've read in a very long time.
Are you trying to say there aren't enough people that hate Muslims any more?
Every time I read these threads, I'm reminded why the catholics didn't let idiots read.
>>703898590
Atheism requires faith in that you still have to believe there is a reason to live your life. Relationships, as your brought up, require faith and relationships are a microcosm of society. Why pursue relationships, why be a apart of society, something bigger than yourself? there are no scientific reasons, there is no self-evident logic. Soooooo... atheist faith.
>>703897572
I have Iq 135.... my dad and his siblings scored 125-138. My bloodline is strong.
Time to contribute to the bread.
I believe not from feelings or tradition. It was Observations of those with and without religious/morals. Morals are good but subjective from place to place. I do believe in an objective truth as there is objectivity in mathematics, any science and in my opinion objective truth in religion/morality.
By religion I mean not "gods or god" it means that there are certain universal truths that all humans should adhere to and most rational people can tell that the lack of morality is bad for the human race if you wish for it to continue. And in my opinion having idea of eternal punishment or reward or samsara or purgatory isn't irrational to make people contribute to society and encourage positive action.
Religious practices can continue such as weekly mass, animal sacrifices, fasting etc. These arent stupid they get people in the mindset of doing certain practices and to be better people for the human race as I view God as the collective Human Spirit. Christianity which I believe in (i follow Catholic traditions) has idea of God incarnate similar to Hindu avatars except we would say it wasn't a particular God infesting a person but all of God. (In many religious traditions God always refers to himself as we... suggests God in nearly every form is a collection of many parts).
I converted a few atheistshots because I knew my shit and didn't rely on a single book. Nearly every world religion has come to certain conclusions it is up to humans to make sure not to destroy eachother over names (look at the south park episodes about the Atheists and why they kill each other.)
>>703898773
We have too much social and sexual freedom, hypergamy took over and that causes society to slowly collapse, it's happened with most big civilizations in history, start with giving women the vote, end up giving them complete freedom, then wonder why they failed, it's a cycle, we're just the most advanced ones so far so our grandsons might scrap something together
>>703898590
Atheism = a religion. Some atheists preach their ideals and beliefs (like OP) as if it'a fact. Rather, the beliefs are nothing but a set of beliefs the person are gathered through faith. Atheists now read books as look up to the authors as of they are divine and absolute correct (how atheists look up to Richard Dawkins and the God Delusion). You can pull out any excuse you have as to why atheism isn't a religion, but the fact stands. Atheism is a religion. Neck beards do love Richard Dawkins.
>>703891298
religion is determined by where you're born and who you're born to
if you were born in iran/iraq theres a 98% chance you'd be a muslim because thats where your parents were born and thats what they were taught as ignorant children like yourself when you were young like you'll teach your child when they're young
and the funny thing is that all religious people think that they picked the right one because thats the one they were "born" into
and any arguement that says "well if weak/strong nuclear force was any weaker or stronger than we wouldnt have atoms and the whole universe would fall apart" is null and void
the universe came to be because thats how the laws of physics are and have always been, if they were slightly weaker/stronger than the universe would take a different form that even the greatest physicists would struggle to imagine or comprehend
>>703899061
>Soooooo...atheist faith
Did that amount to an argument in your mind?
There's a lot more to religion than the capacity to have faith in something.
>>703898438
Except the one on the left is not called "intelligent design" by engineers and the one on the right isn't called "coincidence" by biologists (pretty sure they call it a hand).
>>703899195
the whole atheism is a religion thing is fucking retarded anon, it's a set of ideas, religion is a set of ideas too, but you don't say a keyboard is a computer do you?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irreligion
>>703898438
The right picture would be more correct if it was "evolution"
>>703899029
>thousands of years of Christians being unable to read the Bible, due to religious laws
>just take our authority on faith! What do you need to ACTUALLY read for anyway?
It makes lying and inventing new rules SO MUCH EASIER.
>>703899103
Your IQ is irrelevant because your writing is unreadable. STEMfags are trained to form a polarized view necessary to their field, then apply it to philosophy/religion where the low-hanging fruit of good and evil abounds.
>>703899369
That's against your argument, wait for that anon to answer
>>703899124
>hypergamy
You're being oppressed by women now? What a pussy.
>>703899369
You literally just answered why atheism is a religion...
>>703899692
>religious-fag trained to hear what he wants
kek
ITT: fedoras whining because they're too dumb to know religion is good.
>>703899744
Where's the counter-argument tho?
>>703899744
>continuing to troll
LOL HAHA XDDdD you winz!!1!
>>703899802
It /could/ be good
>>703899287
>Did that amount to an argument in your mind?
Yes. Did that amount to a counterargument in yours?
And I wasn't arguing towards what constitutes a religion. I was arguing that faith is inherent in humans, fag.
>>703899476
But evolution basically is a coincidence to an atheist. The only way it's not is if you assume that the universe has a general intelligence to it which causes genetic mutations to be intelligent which would be the will of a god.
If evolution was done without a will of a "god", then the amount of retarded species should have been MUCH higher. Instead all species took an EXTREMELY quick path into being very capable. And you might argue survival of the fittest, but each genetic mutation would have been extremely small, and since every species would have been retarded, the retarded species should still survive just fine mostly.
>>703899195
>some atheist preach their ideal and beliefs (like OP) as if it'a fact
The only belief OP expressed was that there is something wrong with religious people, which IS a fact.
>>703899061
So what you are saying is that every other creature on the planet needs faith to get them up in the morning and live their life?
>>703899103
you type like an infant, display a terrible lack of education and made multiple megalomaniac claims about yourself, and your accomplishments...
>Moslem detected.
You guys are literally fallacious garbage.
I can tell you with certainty that you've not convinced a single atheist in your life, kek.
>>703899919
What a pointless assertion and completely irrelevant to the rest of the thread.
Nobody cares.
>>703900050
Not necessarily consciously, but yes. I think otherwise there is no self-evident or logical reason to negate faith.
>>703900037
Some people whether they follow a religion or do not have done terrible things. I know more intelligent people that believe and follow a religion than those who don't, that IS a fact
>>703900371
Well, when i was in middleschool, i had to go to the church, going out i saw an old lady, cursing another human being while she was on the entrance of that church.
For me, there was a logical reason
>>703900545
>what is sample bias
your personal anecdotes aren't worth shit
>>703899919
not the previous anon, and to point out why exactly you are wrong:
faith is nothing definitive.
You can replace that word with the words hope, foresight, instinct, consideration, a.s.o. / a.s.f.
The only thing a person expresses when he says he has faith in something, is that he believes in something to happen. That means he made a guess for an event to come true, be it negative or positive doesn't matter.
But in order to prove him right or wrong, factual evidence must be gathered.
So when you say "I have faith", all the reasonable rest of the world hears is "I think that this is real / going to happen", which spawns the logical question after "why" do you believe / think that?
And until you can answer that, your faith is irrelevant.
Got that?
Good.
>>703891298
>2016
>surfing 4chan
>still caring what other people believe
>>703900629
Sure they don't when they make your argument look dumb.
>>703894986
nice.
So how exactly is theism incorporated in capitalism?
>kek
>>703900658
No, faith means belief despite lack of evidence. There is no evidence that anything exists for a reason, to continue living despite this is an act of faith. I am not religious, btw.
>>703900556
Also, not religious.
>>703900177
Was relevant, follow the thread. And, still not an argument.
>>703900545
any atheist with a brain is probably avoiding you like the plague
>>703899547
>>703899692
"Irreligion (adjective form: non-religious or irreligious) is the absence, indifference, rejection of, or hostility towards religion"
doesn't sound like a religion to me
>>703900842
The dumbest argument is always the one based on anecdotes
>>703899981
>If evolution was done without a will of a "god", then the amount of retarded species should have been MUCH higher
Not how evolution works retard, the whole point is everything evolves in a way that facilitates survival
>>703900842
>black people responsible for 50% of all murders in america
>but all the black people I know are good people
your arguement isnt worth shit on a grand scale to clarify what he was saying
>>703900939
C'mon motherfuckers, get off google and answer me
>>703900994
It says right here why i said this
>>703898438
>Implying Evolution is random
I'm going to need you to try a little harder.
>>703893395
>that pic
>Christian shoots up Abortion clinic once
>Somehow comparable to Islam which is directly correlated with most terror attacks that have happened in the last year which are plentiful
>>703900939
>No, faith means belief despite lack of evidence.
Every kind of belief spawns from a lack of evidence. Belief is the necessary consequence for a lack of evidence, else we wouldn't be able to perceive curiosity and wouldn't seek for answers. We "make a guess" / "believe" / "show faith" and act upon solving it. Your point is absurd.
>There is no evidence that anything exists for a reason
So why would this give me a reason to kill myself? Why does everything need a reason to exist!? Non-sequitur at its finest.
>to continue living despite this is an act of faith.
We live on because we enjoy our lives, maybe!?
Based on what we experience, maybe!?
You know, perceiving and interacting with reality...
Where the fuck is faith involved with enjoying the condition of being alive!?
>I am not religious, btw.
You sound like a religious nutjob, tho.
Fix your philosophical education, m8.
>>703901579
Pity modern Christendom doesn't do death-tolls.
u kno, Vietnam, Iraq and all that brave drone business.
>>703901198
it takes time to type the walls of text your bullshit spawns, re-writing them to fit into the post-limit, deleting them completely, and - after realizing that too many semantic segments will confuse and distract you, resulting in the branching of this conversation ad infinitum - focus only on the core of your stupidity, only.
Being german, and therefore having to translate my thoughts, doesn't help either.
Guess I'll join...
I believe cuz I think it's depressing to think shit just stops after we die
If that's juvenile then I guess I'm the faggot little kid, but at least I believe in hope.
I also respect where the lack of religion and other religions come from. I'm not saying I'm right I'm saying it's what I was taught and came up with myself, that's all I can accomplish without more knowledge of the situation and with just a human understanding of the universe and shit.
Idk
>>703902073
>I believe cuz I think it's depressing to think shit just stops after we die
I can accept that.
Death is scary, and religion can be a decent comfort zone for getting over that.
Still not enough for me personally, tho.
http://cheesespin.net/
i'm still user of this site
>>703901794
eh.
1. You restated my point and then called it absurd.
2/3. Faith is subconscious, that's why you can enjoy life and not kill yourself, because life seems so intrinsically to hold value, despite evidence.
4. That's your problem i think, that is sounds religious. My problem is that you sound like an idiot. What is your philosophical education, m8?
>>703891298
I've been Christian all my life. Haven't always lived like a Christian should though. But you cannot just suddenly stop believing in something. If I told you a color isn't green but red. You would not just change what you believe that easily, right?
Bless you children.
>>703902024
Well, maybe your good at arguing in German. Maybe you are a zealous idiot like your Nazi forefathers. I guess the translation barrier renders that one a mystery. Kudos on your English tho, pretty good!
>>703902334
I totally get that. It's not enough for alot of people.
The other thing is I understand the argument where people that have lost faith or just don't have it come from.
"Just show us usa sign you exist" doesn't seem a tall order from an omnipotent being.
And there are so many examples of evil in the world like legitimate evil and very few if any REALLY examples of holiness of true good. So that's not a great record so far. But that's faith, believing when there is doubt.
And I don't even mean Christianity, just in general.
When I was in rehab, they say relinquish yourself to a Higher power or one greater than yourself. And that can be anything, some of my non religious friends that had trouble wth it I just said use forces of nature, and that worked.
God, higher power, whatever you wanna call it, I just think (hope) that there is something more than just coincidence guiding everything.
Guess we'll all find out sooner or later.
Thanks for being civil btw. Wasn't expecting that
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>>703902485
>1. You restated my point and then called it absurd.
So you lack reading comprehension as well?
>2/3. Faith is subconscious, that's why you can enjoy life and not kill yourself, because life seems so intrinsically to hold value, despite evidence.
"Hey m8, I am totally right, and I can show it to you by implying that I am right even without you being possibly able to notice it, ever"
Great example of intellectual dishonesty, a.k.a. argument ad absurdum.
>What is your philosophical education, m8?
Bachelor.
Settled for a physics degree later, since philosophy - albeit being interesting - earns you nothing.
But hey, keep pretending you're right.
I'm done with you anyways.
Reason: Pic related
>>703903346
1. Not an argument, Mr. philosophy bachelor
2/3. "Hey m8, any study of the subconscious is studying something i can't see, so that's not fair on me because i am an idiot, however, i have learned some academic nomenclature to throw around incorrectly"
4. Well i'm just arguing Camus' Rebel to play devil's advocate in a thread of idiots. Never read that one in your shitty bachelors, fag?
>>703901103
Evolution is survival of the fittest which means a species is what it is and if it lives it lives if it dies it dies. The ones unfit to survive die. What it is is purely coincidence in the eyes of science. Otherwise what "knows" what better facilitates survival? Do I tell my baby "be born tall because short men are fucked?"
>>703903256
>Thanks for being civil btw. Wasn't expecting that
Don't mention it. Your initial post was civil as well, so why behave like the typical /b/tards, if we can do better...
>God, higher power, whatever you wanna call it, I just think (hope) that there is something more than just coincidence guiding everything.
"Just coincidence"
Idk, I'd actually prefer if we ever find evidence for that being true.
You see, with all the evil in the world, I like the thought that we, ourselves are responsible for its existence and how we deal with it. I find the outlook of being placed into a harsh, dangerous world a depressive one if I consider the fact that the being that created this realm, most likely will have created the next one similar.
If (any) god turns out to be true, I'd feel locked up and forced.
Which leads me to my next point:
Freedom. Even tho my lifespan is limited, I believe to be free to make it into whatever I feel like. No doctrine, other than the ones supported by the demos. Therefore the chance is there to shape and improve the world we live in, increase our capabilities as a species, and maybe, some day, even circumvent death.
And if we don't, at least death holds the promise of an end to our struggles.
I can understand that death scares people, but for me, it's the bliss of eternal rest. I am actually fine with being forced to cease to exist one day.
>>703903953
dude, the devils advocate is supposed to defend his point within the realm of logic.
You didn't.
All you did was to redefine words to your liking and stating unobservable things as facts.
End of this conversation, since you're just a waste of my time.
>>703904349
No, I used logic. You tried to.
>>703892310
I'm an atheist, but Yea, this.
Before I was an atheist I was a Christian, and a very devout one at that. It was extremely important to me at that point in my life. Losing it was one of the hardest, and most painful things I ever went through. At the time at least I wanted to cling to it, but in the end I couldn't, and I didn't.
There's no way that I want to see other people go through that if they don't have to. As long as their beliefs aren't causing problems for others, it's none of anyone else's business. They should not be given grief, or treated disrespectfully over it.
>>703904090
>You see, with all the evil in the world, I like the thought that we, ourselves are responsible for its existence and how we deal with it. I find the outlook of being placed into a harsh, dangerous world a depressive one if I consider the fact that the being that created this realm, most likely will have created the next one similar. If (any) god turns out to be true, I'd feel locked up and forced.
Honestly haven't thought of it that way. I mean common sense dictates that, but I haven't thought of it in that structure before, it's a really good point that if someone is going through a shit time here on earth now, then they won't be enticed by the idea of that same Being in control of their afterlife as well isn't an attractive notion.
But you seem like a smart anon, so I'll rebuttal it.
The whole point is that this earth we kinda fucked up and whatever power you believe in was like well, now you deal with it. And the afterlife is supposed to be a santuary after the fact. A safe haven from the bs we del with here.
Now I know asking to believe in a paradise when we die is a little much if you don't even believe in the main man/woman/thing in charge, but that's the idea.
And like I said and have been saying, when an educated person says, out loud what religion promises and means, you sounds like an autistic person describing you're caretaker, and it's cringey at the best of times and undefendable at the worst. But still we try to make it work out and let us guide. The doctrine thst states all the shi we're to do and not do is basically just being a good person I'm sure you know that, but the added level of hey you live super well when you die is just reassuring as it is possibly not true
Glad you showed me you're perspective, hope I did the same for you my friend.
>>703904349
k, to shut you up, read the following CAREFULLY
>>No, faith means belief despite lack of evidence.
>Every kind of belief spawns from a lack of evidence.
With an emphasis on "EVERY" And then I continued to explain that there is no special kind of belief, called faith since both words describe absolutely the same.
And that thing is - considering the human ability to think in abstract patterns and make reasonable assumptions - the ability to assume things, therefore developing the curiosity needed to produce the motivation to further investigate whether said assumption holds true or not.
faith is not a commodity someone posseses and somehow justifies the belief in god.
It is just another word for a basic human thought pattern.
And all religion does is to shut this process down midways and prevent you from investigation whether or not your assumption holds true.
Got that finally?
>>703905329
this was meant as reply to this
>>703904629
>>703892110
Nice image, saved
>>703892310
You deserve to be ridiculed. You're making yourself look bad by being religious.
>>703905329
You still the dude i been arguing with, called me a chess pigeon? cos i agree with what you have just written. I don't see how it negates or disagrees with what i have been saying? I think you just took offense with me using the word 'faith'.
>>703905422
AGAIN. not religious, yet to meet a devout person i can stand being around for long. jeez.
I am a Protestant Christian because I know God is real. I really don't know why you're so aggressive about this, OP.
It's not some weird fantasy sky man, look around and you'll find proof.
I'm the smartest person I know. I used to be an Atheist but converted after I was utterly convinced by miracle after miracle.
Maybe you should stop thinking everything amazing is a coincidence?
>>703905683
Not him but:
>are you the guy who called me a chess pigeon?
Top fucking kek
>>703894422
>what is communism
A relic of the past that I seriously doubt you can remember, let alone explain without resorting to more buzz words, talking points, strawmen, and such.
>>703902803
that is a terrible metaphor. Granted once you've been conditioned to believe a certain thing from a young age it is very hard to undo it, that doesn't mean the ideology you've been made to believe is true.
I mean if you'd grown up in a non Christian part of the world you'd worship their god as arbitrarily as you worship christ.
>>703905070
>Glad you showed me you're perspective, hope I did the same for you my friend.
You did, and mostly I can relate, albeit not agree with it.
One point got my attention tho:
>The doctrine thst states all the shi we're to do and not do is basically just being a good person I'm sure you know that
This is what most modern christians and some moderate muslims believe, but keep in mind that the promise of a decent afterlife is misused way too often to radicalize and control entire nations. This fear is exploited way too often to not keep a very aware eye on all religious activity and content.
Christianity got reformed in the Renaissance, which is why I usually don't have an issue with living amongst christians. Still ,there are some fundamental sects here and there.
And Islam - to this day - promotes a very violent codex as well.
Giving people the option to believe into an afterlife is fine. But when humans start to exploit this message for personal gain, it gets distorted too easily, so the decision to give such institutions / communities power should be a carefully considered one.
>>703891298
https://youtu.be/KUwv8O3Shf0 this show said it best
if you are atheist you must take in consideration that your people are to blame for the things mao, castro, hitler, and stalin did to their people
>>703905782
>AGAIN. not religious
the fuck would you use this line for then?
>to play devil's advocate in a thread of idiots
You getting lost in your own statements or what?
If you don't like being addressed as a religious person, DON'T PLAY ONE, ffs.
>>703905683
>You still the dude i been arguing with, called me a chess pigeon?
Yes.
And for this:
>I don't see how it negates or disagrees with what i have been saying?
I continue to do so.
>>703894570
Sin makes people shit, atheism can't save you from it.
>>703894570
That image is flawed. It'd be more accurate to say that atheism is to religion like bald is to hair style, not color. It takes as much blind faith to be an atheist as it does to be a Christian or anything else.
Nice bait
>>703894747
>>703906550
>>No, faith means belief despite lack of evidence.
>Every kind of belief spawns from a lack of evidence.
Thats the line i'm taking, one we agree on. Why do you think i am religious? Devil's advocate refers to stirring up idiots with the word 'faith'. Camus is an athiest playboy, no?
>I continue to do so.
and yeah, you do continue to do so, for no reason.
>>703894847
Dumb
>>703906371
hitler was catholic
And beyond that, see
>>703895206
>>703900935
>>703906219
Absolutely.
Unfortunately there are people who use it to push their personal agenda or their communities agenda or whatever and that sucks. I honestly can speak on Islam because I know very little about what the truth is about what the Quran states is the end-all basis for their faith, but for Christianity at least it's the radicalism of the faith that gives us a bad name, BUT that isn't where the problem stops, people who are bible thumpers and church pushers but then fuck little boys or shoot up places or whatever, I know more people of very little to no faith that I'm infinitely more friendly with than the very very religious few I am.
As you may have guessed I'm a drug addict and thst can RARELY get brought up with out some kind of "god wants this for you or that"
So it doesn't bode well for the outside looking in when people are playing keeping up with the jones' via who the most religious is.
Another thing is I have, whatever your opinion is on them, a tattoo from a game called Eternal Darkness. It's the symbol of the corpse god and I got it as a joke with my family.
Now if God has a problem with that, I'm Fucked. But I personally believe he knows I know it's all in fun, and if not, than he isn't the God I thought he was. So no love lost.
woah, the fedora level in this thread is too damn high, did your grandmas said you were little ungrateful pricks for don't going to the church on sunday? lmao
>>703906371
Please let this be bait. If not you have severe autism. Atheists don't put people into tribes like you people. Just because those people happen to denounce religion in place of their own ideology to control people, whatever not all atheists are the same.
That's all religion is "opium of the people" to keep people dumb and under control.
And for every bad atheist there is a bad religious person who has committed genocide: Oliver Cromwell, Catholics during WW2, Ottoman empire, The Crusades, the Religious wars, George Bush said god was on his side for Iraq.
>manifest destiny was specifically justified by the bible to murder millions of Native Americans
>>703891298
Because it is in your best interest for me to "believe". If I thought this life was all there is?
I would play to win with out kindness and compassion. You would be my sex slave.
I am a Christian because it is obvious that an old wizard just conjured the world into existence. The fact that the rules of the bible just so happen to be a decent blueprint for running a proto-government social structure in a technologically empty desert is pure coincidence.
A WIZARD DID IT.
>>703906922
>Thats the line i'm taking, one we agree on.
God almighty and the holy bejebus, you are a tough nut...
YOUR POSITION:
Faith is a special form of belief
MY POSITION:
Faith and Belief are the same and don't mean what you think they mean.
>Why do you think i am religious?
I don't, but this
>Devil's advocate refers to stirring up idiots with the word 'faith'
is so wrong it hurts.
Taking the position of the devils advocate means to argue in the name of the opposition, either to expose their flaws by disseminating them right after, or by performing this spiel with a conversation-partner, to deconstruct the opposition by roleplaying a debate in the absence of an actual advocate for the opposition.
If you play the devils advocate towards a atheistic position, you define yourself as a religious person.
Hence I address you as one.
l2debate.
>>703898609
>Christians lobbying for tumblr safe spaces
Next you'll say you were only pretending to be retarded
>>703895144
10/10
>>703896619
>>703907744
>insert the he's right you know maymay
>>703907121
Good luck with getting out of your drug addiction.
I hope it works out for you (OMG, I CAN DISPLAY FAITH AS AN ATHEIST, lol)
Anyways, stay safe and good luck, I have to go now.
>>703908088
Thanks man you too
>>703907744
yeah and you thought i was arguing in the name of opposition, i was 'pretending' by using semantics to confuse you, but never by referring to myself or identifying as religious. Just by discussing the concept of faith. My opposition is to proclaimed 'atheists' because you are so self important/think you have a monopoly on logic, or indeed, anything to proclaim in the first place.
Good bait motherfucker
>>703907744
>YOUR POSITION:
>Faith is a special form of belief
what u mistook my position to be
>>703894847
Really lame, not going to lie
>>703908274
>yeah and you thought i was arguing in the name of opposition, i was 'pretending' by using semantics to confuse you, but never by referring to myself or identifying as religious.
FFFFFUUUUUUUUUU
First you post this:
>to play devil's advocate in a thread of idiots.
THEN I reply, adressing you as a religious nutjub, JUST AS YOU'VE JUST DEFINED YOURSELF
And then you come up with this crap
>AGAIN. not religious
You are the epitome of retardation, and achieved nothing but to confuse yourself by throwing around words that you clearly don't understand.
Goodbye.
FUCK, your stupidity really rustled my jimmies.
>>703895735
You wouldn't believe in something that was 100% real? I'm an atheist and that my friend is pure stupidity.
https://join.skype.com/khCnACTWjiGj
join this skype group to freak out everyone in it
Have fun and do whatever you want >:D
>>703908473
I literally cited you multiple times, and that line os the only logical consequence there is to what you've typed.
Throw your degree out of the window.
It's clearly worthless.
>>703908804
haha, i think you are confused buddy. Not religious, played the devil's advocate and won. Conclusion: Atheists are as stupid as religious people.
>>703908816
Anecdotal evidence bro. Can't be trusted, even when it's your own.
>>703909074
Not the previous anon, but you clearly are a pigeon.
>>703908947
Cite where I say that faith is a commodity, or inclusive. Like you are claiming
>>703909074
You know what?
Good night.
I'm not your tard wrangler.
>>703909266
nah, c'mon.. wrangle me with your big brain.
>>703909266
>>703908947
>>703908804
Your entire argument rests on citing me just this one little thing where i said faith was inclusive. DO IT FAGGOT CHESS PIGEON
Just commit suicide, you edgy faggot
>>703909261
there
>>703899061
>Atheism requires faith
>Relationships, as your brought up, require faith
>Soooooo... atheist faith
and there
>>703900939
>No, faith means belief despite lack of evidence.
Stop squirming, you are really that dumb, even if you forgot it already
I really don't have any problem with faith.
If someone wants to believe in something requiring no evidence and knowing full well that it isn't logical or rational, it's all good. The real shitwads is the ones who aren't comfortable and confident in their blind faith.
>>703909775
and before you even reply:
I close this tab now.
Good bye, pigeon :)
>>703909775
>requires faith
does not say what faith is. When i do define faith it agrees with your definition.
>>703909933
because you lost the argument cunt.
>>703909970
>"I know I said something stupid, so I will pretend to agree with you from the beginning"
Not the previous anon, but he was right, you know...
Anyways, was a decent thread.
G'day
Someone screen cap and analyse this argument. My opponent is clearly the pigeon. (physics degreefag pigeon)>>703909775
![not-when-i-shift-into-maximum-autism-thumb[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/wBcR4P5.png "not-when-i-shift-into-maximum-autism-thumb[1].png")
>>703910215
dude wat?
>>703910151
yeah was fun.
but nah, he thought i meant religious faith. i meant faith as a broad concept like belief, i was using semantics to see if an atheist would get buthurt and they did,, then i did.
Organized religion is the problem. Not religion in itself.
>>703908274
>teen angst intensifies
That's great kid, get back to us when you've grown some pubes and have actually experienced the real world a little.
JESUS CRHIST JACKIE BOY
I heard there was a chess pigeon in this bread?
>>703891298
>>703910397
all you cunts are obsessed with identity. I AM AN ATHIEST DERRP. I AM AN MUSLIM DEEEPR. I AM AN AGNOSTIC DEEREP. I AM CSJKFSKFSF. get fucked.
>>703910615
>I AM INTELLECTUALLY SUPERIOR DERRRRP
>get fucked
kek, someone is spinning out of control it seems...
nothing is more illogical than the belief that something comes from nothing
>>703910571
seems he still is
>>703910615
>>703910068
>>703910745
not wrong there m8, i'm fuckin losin it
>>703910829
topkek
welp, you made our evening, pigeon.
>>703893395
>Christianist
>>703910907
np cunts
>>703910792
you are right, which is why no atheist believes that.
>the smell of burning strawmens in the morning. Priceless.
>>703899919
one of my earliest coos, btw, just to clarify
>And I wasn't arguing towards what constitutes a religion. I was arguing that faith is inherent in humans, fag.
I won that argument, btw guys.
>>703898693
This. Fuck you if you are on either side of the fence pushing your shit on anyone else.
>>703898013
Duuuuurrrrr, everyone who isn't liberal or atheist is dum!!1! Here's a bullshit, slanted chart by some hack manipulated to find the same results he wanted, how coincidental!
>>703912315
I mean, liberals just called their God "government" so they aren't really atheists.
Tithes are just taxes, they have churches, sacred monuments to idols, holidays, and the system is just a means of control.
Same fucking thing really...
