Is religion still a thing in the modern world? Is any of you fuckfaces religious still?
I am a Muslim and I work in my university's science lab.
>>703699484
>>703699633
same
>>703699484
Jesus died for your sins, OP. You should submit unto him and let him penetrate your soul. The feeling of freedom when you surrender your will to his desires is overwhelming.
>>703699633
nice joke
>>703699633
wow.
and people wonder why trump happened.
>>703699776
No, I'm serious. I work at the same university in Leicester, UK where DNA was discovered.
>>703699633
>(you)
>>703699828
Why? You make no sense. Islam lead the world's sciences for centuries.
I just killed some spics in the name of Mantarok like an hour ago.
>>703699633
>>703699682
So you actually believe that an illiterate, warmongering, pedophile merchant in the 7th century received the final, perfect word of God revealed to him and only him by the archangel Gabriel (who only he could see) and later rode to heaven on horse?
You literally believe this occurred?
>>703699633
Eid Mubarak.
99999 get
>>703699484
I would not consider myself religious in any way. However, I try to have faith in something greater. If I'm right, that's awesome. If I'm wrong, then nothing of value was lost.
>>703699935
Yeah, for pyromancy maybe.
>>703699935
lol no.
>>703699935
>>703699484
When I was in Xanax withdrawal I prayed, it helped a little. So guilty as charged.
Former atheist here, now Catholic
>>703700263
>>703700263
How did that happen?
>>703700026
Not so much the warmongering paedophile part, but yes.
>>703700038
Khair Mubarak!
I'm mormon.
>Inb4 multiple wives
We don't do that anymore.
>>703700357
Tip that fedora
Only when you are ready to listen and accept will you understand
You talk like you are entitled to knowing everything
No one knows everything for a reason
If someone gave you a step by step guide on how to live rather than allowing you to learn
How would you learn?
Even attempting to tell you this is wrong
Read past the nonsense and see the figurative values they leave
If you didnt read everything in literall sense you might see patterns and learn why it is you have your free will
>>703700543
He waged war and fucked a nine year old. Funny how the most verifiable, realistic parts of the story are the ones you discard.
Do you just believe in the nice parts and ignore the rest?
And how the fuck can you call yourself a scientist and objectively hold these ridiculous beliefs? People like you honestly disgust me.
>>703699484
Pray for Jesus to cum into your butthole.
>>703700543
He married a 6 year old and fucked her when she was 9.
Literal paedophile.
Catholic here
>>703700000
>>703701039
All-h permitted it. Who am I to question Him? (PBUH)
Christian. I'm not retarded and know that obviously some sort of divine being created matter and time, existing outside of a world we could comprehend.
>>703700870
>most verifiable
No, not really.
>>703701217
I prefer PB and J
>>703701217
Seriously ? What proof do you have other than your parents belief
>>703699484
I know women worship bbc
>>703699484
Lutheran here I attend church weekly and read my devotionals nightly. I'd rather believe and be wrong than be wrong and not believe. It also has helped me in life a lot.
>>703701397
My parents are not Muslim.
>>703699484
I am a Druid yes that is seen as a real religion despite not believing in a god.
>>703701291
What one must remember is life is never over until its over
You learn until your day comes
So does everyone else
You can't make the horse drink the water
But lead it to it
>>703699484
Atheist Buddhist myself.
>>703700517
It's pretty difficult to explain, which is why I've never actually wasted my time trying to convert other atheists. And I was like a hardcore militant for a while too. I started to respect the church in a more historic/cultural way, and the more I learned the less ignorant I became.
>>703701538
Well then what proof do you have
>>703700842
If people didn't read religious texts literally, there wouldn't be a problem with religions like Islam in the present day.
You're free to make up any figurative bullshit from seemingly vague and empty ideas any day. You're free to find moral value in figures of speech that you find on a soda pop label. Just don't deny that this platform is toxic in our present day society.
Also, don't even try to touch on free will. Determinism is where it's at.
>>703701323
Kay. He never waged war or consummated his marriage to Aisha at age nine but he received the word of God from an angel only he could see and rode to heaven on a horse. Sounds perfectly logical and sane. You're an intelligent human being.
>>703701634
Depends what you define as proof. I suppose you don't believe in faith?
>>703701608
OP here. Agnostic atheist that also practice Buddhist meditation techniques and read on literature occasionally. Does that make me a secular Buddhist?
>>703701734
You're more cancerous than any religousfag there is.
>>703700119
They discovered a lot of Poisons I read it in a chemistry book
>>703701832
Sure.
I stopped being religious last year. I seriously think it's becoming a thing of the past.
>>703701874
I do but faith has no more value than "I want to believe"
>>703701900
Well, you're not worshiping gods and actually using Buddhism for self-improvement, so...I'd say, "yeh."
Nope, I had too tough of a time to believe that there is a higher being above us and created everything.
Although bashing religion is for faggots, no matter how stupid they can get.
>>703701954
kbro
>>703700870
>sharpens katanas in anticipation for the coming Reason War
Also falling dick hard for obvious bait is obvious
>>703702009
Islam is the largest growing religion their is. Maybe Christianity is declining, it certainly is here in the UK.
>>703701323
>but what is verrifiable is the splitting the moon >in two
>riding a horse to heaven
>an archangel meeting him to give the final >word of god
i slow clap to that beautiful logic right there
>>703702107
Yeah, I was a Christian all my life. I grew a brain and realized it was complete stupidity.
>>703701217
Thats what I kept trying to tell the FBI, but they won't believe me.
religion provides people comfort, as long as they are not hurting anyone let them have it.
>>703702107
lol UK is fucked. Are there any whites left in there still?
>>703701734
You look past things and call them vague because you are not truely ready to hear
No one really is
The most I know is no one is right
Not me
Not you
Not anyone
There are two sides to everything
Neither is wrong
Or completly right
And where there is no counter
There is
You will find an even balance of such things on both sides
Life isnt about having it all figured out
Its about getting over it and figuring out you cant have your way
Which includes that I can't force all of you into such radical ideas of you are not willing to accept it
You will figure it out
When is the fun part about it
>>703702107
Zika is spreading rapidly, ergo I pray to mosquitoes.
>>703702283
I am a White-British Muslim who converted in June. I was circumcised 4 weeks ago.
>>703702107
Islam is growing due to people being born into it. Christianity actually has more conversions.
Not that it matters - both are shit. Islam is far more dangerous though imho.
>>703699484
Of course it is.
If it wasn't, there wouldn't be any churches, mosques, or synagogues.
And no, I'm not religious.
>>703702427
Anders Breivik is a Christian but no one is calling all of Christianity dangerous.
>>703702389
You are weak and a coward
>>703702694
How?
I would be, if at least one didnt have all these fuckin obnoxious rules with them.
>>703702694
Aren't we all.
>>703701630
I respect your life experience. But I have to share... as an atheist that deconverted from militant Christianity, it twists my brain in knots to hear someone say that the closer they got to believing in Catholicism the less ignorant they became.
>>703702803
Turkey bacon is pretty good. :P
>>703702750
Let's do a list of how you aren't it's much shorter
>>703702659
Hmm, maybe because there aren't hundreds of thousands of Anders Breiviks organized in terrorist cells currently waging holy wars in several countries.
>>703702867
Typical lol. You cannot be called upon to prove a negative.
>>703702283
Ye in the country and in walse littrely all that seems to be left i only ever see white people when i visit Nowich city London is a shithile filled with filthy cultures not any of the good kinds.
People who follow christianity are retarded. People who follow islam are super retarded.
>>703702750
You convert to the ideology that's invading your land and killing your people, you're a traitor.
>>703703009
I still love you.
>>703702307
And here we have a message of Bollocks.
>>703703036
No one is invading my land.
>>703703036
lol
>>703703130
Absolutely haram
>>703699484
Serious question here: Why it there this stigma about whether or not religion has a place in the modern world? Op is implying that our science has progressed to an elevated state that can explain enough of the known universe that religion is somehow invalid. However, even if we could explain the science behind everything in our universe it is not directly correlated to ones faith. I propose that our science is our attempt to understand the Lord's architecture.
>>703702307
I never claimed to have anything figured out. I don't pretend to have answers (unlike some "other" groups of people). I'm not even debating on the value of the morals that derive from the human written texts. I'm saying that no matter how beautiful and fulfilling your experiences are, you would be very ignorant in my view to deny that this system is not compatible with many present societal norms, most acute example being Islam and Islamic extremism.
Also, why are you writing in free verse poetry?
>>703703162
You are deluded, London is a foreign city at this point. You are the lowest trash.
>>703703281
I'd argue it's the other way around. Faith preceded science. He(PBUH) created science.
>>703703392
It's a successful example of a multicultural city. Donald Trump should take note.
>>703702988
Not your OP, but proving a negative is not a valid way of argumentation. I can't just tell you that there's a unicorn in my room and just because you can't prove it is true.
>>703701217
Don't expect you to. Worshipping a death cult leading, murdering, false, Pedo-prophet doesn't exactly indicate a rational thinker.
>>703703281
>>703703393
Science that's quantifiable and contradicts religious texts.
Let's also not forget all the contradictions within religious texts
Also let's not even start about rape slavery and women not being equal
>>703702859
I'm Roman Catholic, I attend Mass almost everyday. I agree, the more I invested in my faith the less ignorant I have become largely due to my academic pursuit of philosophy. Religion is instantiated both in the heart and mind of the believer. Catholicism is invigorated by a rationality that's surprising to many atheists.
>>703703511
Yes, radical islam is infiltrating British society is a true sign of progress. Another 1400 children might need to be raped before Trump realises.
>>703703667
I respect your opinion.
>>703703162
Your a dumb fuck thats what all the Brexit was about to stop refugees from imigrating from the EU to take from our lands yes I am British and i voted out to keep my land mine and if it comes to it i would kill in the name of Queen and Country. And i would definantly go old school Druid on thier asses and Impale them and burn them alive in Wicker baskits lol
>>703703317
And yet neither have I
Never once did I say you or I had the wrong idea
Most problems in life come from the black and white approach
Just because the world is probably black and white doesnt mean you have to pick a side
You can live your life without doing what I'm doing
Even now I'm going against what I say
Everyone is here for a different reason
And no one knows jack shit beyond "something"
>>703703795
wrong pic, how do I delete it?
>>703703795
please
>>703702988
I've got a pet trex in my garage
Prove me wrong
You cant?
You need more faith
>>703703393
You need a slap
>>703703797
And you call us violent. Also not your land.
>>703703765
Kek
I hope you're trolling
>>703703762
The truth of science and truth of faith are not mutually exclusive, rather, they are derived from the same Universal Truth. Two expressions or modes of communicating the one Truth. Simply to dismiss faith based on proof texting "rape" and "inequality" is committing the same falacy that fundamentalism is guilty of: literalism.
>>703699935
Century, Hakim Nie the ulalalalalalala guy.
>>703703967
Look at your own countries and get back to us civilized people sir mudslime
>>703703511
No London is a shit hole filled with disgrace Hardly any Natives stay there because of how disgusting the city has come like the saying goes
London Survived the Blitz
But was destroyed by Immigration
>Another 1400 children might need to be raped before Trump realises.
That's unsubstantiated propaganda..
>>703704033
I'm not trolling.
>>703704215
It's thriving more than ever. Look at Birmingham too...
Also kek.
>>703699633
>Muslim
>Working in a science lab
>Still believing all the scientific impossibilities in the Quran.
Either you're not a real scientist or you're not a real Muslim.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJdu4HV-Ng
>>703703811
You're not a realist. I prefer to take a more courageous stance on these socio-religious issues and admit that there is suffering that can be solved. There is no grey zone about this fact.
And for the truths about our existence, I have no issue with the contradictory philosophies as long as it doesn't impede scientific research and progress. That would include, in an indirect way, teaching your kids the wrong ideals or at least the wrong approach of reaching such ideals.
>>703703765
I feel you on that one. A large part of my atheism was due to not being able to look past things at face value.
>>703703762
But how does science contradict religious text? No where in the bible does our Lord tell us that electricity cannot exist, our quantum theory, or mathematics, or any science. There are some ethical questions about what science is capable of, but the scientific community itself ask some of the very same ethical questions.
>can only confirm Christian bible, but would be interested to know the same for other religious texts.
>>703704338
Deny it all you want. Islam is a religion of cowards and parasites, I'd go as far to say the greatest threat to civilisation.
>>703699935
Yeah and blacks waz kangs n shit too.
My story about how everything happened is real and the first and only time it happened.
I've only studied my religious history and dismissed anything to the contrary.
If I don't believe terrible things will happen so I know he's real
Religion is a shame created to extort and control people at its most basic form.
Religion the first troll
>>703704891
Greatest threat is ignorance.
>>703703967
You prised prat the druids where the first religious movement within the British Isle long before Islam and Christianity excisted they created the stone circles includong stone hengde do not tell me its not my land becausr it is my land I have over 40 percent Celtic Blood why dobt you go and fucking educate yourself by fucking reading a real book of fact not one of fiction also Druidry is the true faith of the British Isles and created the Gailic Language.
>>703703765
Raised Catholic can confirm that voodoo religion made me atheist. Felt really invigorated for a long time.
>>703704932
Black people were kangaroos? Well yeah, because we all share DNA (G-d's 'programming' language) we all share a common ancestor.
>>703699484
I am still holding on to my faith, it's stupid but it also keeps me motivated. I try to go to church every sunday and pray to god every night. Atheism makes a lot of sense and understand their argument but I choose to believe in God.
>>703704988
Which coincidentally goes hand in hand with islam.
>>703704368
Ignorance is bliss
You're proof
>>703699935
So true. But science didn't stop in the 17th century.
>>703704531
Another shit hole
>>703704675
The hardest part of life is learning to keep your mouth shut really
There is so much to learn
>>703704994
Ok mr druid lol. Go read LoTR.
Are you paying any taxes on 'your land'? I am. Probably more than you.
OP here. I guess I was wrong. Religion is still a thing.
Baby steps, brothers.
Baby steps.
>>703705239
Tell that to these Brextards.
I once created a tolerable and passive thread on /pol/ where everybody actually respected each other's religions. Once.
>>703705014
Sorry to hear that. The faith does put a lot of stock in the "procedure" of mass and the sacraments, but I have always found comfort in them. I am still very interested in science and the future, but discovery, doesn't make me question my faith. What was it that made you leave the faith in particular?
>>703704744
How doesn't it?
Evolution is a science that vastly contradicts religion, and it is in fact a science
>>703705395
1 Muslim vs 5 infidels and a druid. What a night.
>>703699484
was raised as catholic although i never took it seriously
so was always pretty much agnostic. mom is agnostic now too but dad still has faith
>>703705139
>>703705357
*tip*
>>703705408
I find the god revolting and childish.
>>703705119
You believe out of fear, not actual belief.
Ignorance in bliss
Evangelist here. Mission trips are so fun and so rewarding. I feel that my life is good, that my religion is thriving, and that IRL, the atheists tend to leave you alone.
>>703705239
You really don't want to participate in a conversation. All you're trying to do is shut me down without engaging with anything I say.
Next time warn me ahead that I will be wasting time with you. Good luck in life.
>>703705249
Hopefully one day as a species we can move on
Think of what we could accomplish
>>703705536
hey /b/ we're up we're drinking SHUT THE FUCK UP MATE
>>703705766
It would be beautiful.
>>703705499
>>703705249
To a more unified world? Under one religion, or tolerant of all religions?
>>703705245
Lord of the Rings is a great book a fictional one at the again why do you hold your facts to fiction and I doubt you pay more tax then me and land is inherited through blood write not tax you simpletan slave you think paying for land through tax makes it yours ha all your doing is borowing the land from the government that is owned by the Queen its quite funny that you believe borrowing is the same as owning.
>>703705912
>>703699741
Jesus came into me and the feeling Was overwhelming but now I'm pregnant and he hasn't been around... Lawn has been getting bad too... I really need him in my life...
>>703705960
>>703705952
Under no religion, mate.
>>703705679
And a nice day to you too
P.S. GCHQ, I'm not actually a White-British Muslim convert so please don't black hood me. Thanks.
IT WAS ALL A RUSE.
P.S. Ignore beheading videos.
>>703705952
No religion, a unified world with a logical belief that changes with proof.
Not a bunch of children who refuse to believe anything different from their fairy tail
>>703705640
Say hello to Satan for me.
>>703705983
Abstinence
Doesn't even work in fairy tales
>>703705452
I guess that depends on how literal you take the text of the scripture. The word of the Lord is still written down by man in a way in which we can understand. But that doesn't make it any less valid. Do you really think a 24 hour day is a day to God? A "day" varies on each planet and the star it orbits. The Lord created the universe, do you think that he is bound to a 24 deadline to create each 'day" in Genesis.
And that aside, why can't evolution and religion coexist? Do you really think the almighty God wouldn't put a system into place whereby a natural order was created? The Lord gave us the ability to adapt to our surroundings, to expand our minds.
>>703705092
>we all share a common ancestor.
Fake Muslim detected.
>>703705591
How so? Explain? I am just curious as to how you got to that place in your thoughts about it.
>>703706218
Just because atheism won't back off doesn't mean religion will, buddy. It's an easier hope to have that someday everyone will just stop giving a shit about what everyone else believes in.
>>703706261
Ah yes trying to scare someone into fear
It may have worked on you, but not for me
>>703705092
That makes no sense. That's like saying that Canada is Australia because both came from Britain.
>>703706340
You're assuming a lot of things. Not good.
>>703705766
Religion is not the hindrance of scientific discovery, intolerance is. I tell fellow Christians and peoples of other faiths that I encounter that you cannot force someone to God. But that respect goes both ways and expression of faith should not be impeded, unless it is hurting others.
>>703706340
The classic you're taking that out of context line.
You're just making excuses for obvious loop holes
>>703700218
Hey fag. 30 yo old fag here been on it for 9 years lowest dosage though. What did you come off of.
MFW people not understanding that sharing DNA with something =/= us coming from that something.
>>703701630
>less ignorant
I might not be the best Christian, but I've come back to my faith recently because of personal experiences. The truth will always lead you to God, and that's something that you have to experience for yourself.
>>703706609
I am not assuming. I am simply saying that while I do not have all the answers I have faith to believe that the systems that were put in place all have a function. Our attempt to understand that function is what I would call science. One does not invalidate the other.
>>703706559
>ohoho i'm a big boy i'm not scared
>>703706510
I'd say 9/10 religious people are just going off of what they're told by their paren't or an authority figure.
The 1/10 truly believe and and nice respecting people
Not idiots that claim they know it all and try ton convert everyone
>>703706820
> I've come back to my faith recently because of personal experiences.
Sure. I respect that. It's your choice and your experience. It's debatable up to some point. No problem there.
>The truth will always lead you to God
god damnit.
I'm curious how many people are religious who weren't raised in religion.
Anybody?
>>703707023
You haven't met the people I meet. You'd be surprised.
Also, Islam.
>>703699484
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_KBgMfXYJg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsZBomvu5zA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=daDk70hr8CU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Prd9kROv4KU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5t7-sqoX1A4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0hfJsCn6Z0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAXecMNq0fQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=htndhXSsTh8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NBe-jefmw6w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Y4GhYrafHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMz0C0L-G2c
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJaPe_iFjF4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5IUIbXVElA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xaYeAV4LpRA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTHmse1wRJM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcIiaHJsQNc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2E1iXFtKN5w
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0pfbRDKnfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPqck24nslY
>>703702859
The thing about Christianity is that there's a lot of weird cults based around it since the reformation, misconstruing Christ and God
>>703707023
I don't try to convert everyone? I both understand and have witnessed people who are literally unmovable. I don't try to talk to those people, because I do not have either the knowledge, strength, or conviction to do so. the 9/10 you speak of does get weeded out once they grow up and feel that they're too edgy for religion or whatever. The "1/10" is bigger than you think. Come to church sometime, man. Talk with one of the pastors. Be friendly. There's so much that we can show you if you do.
>>703706712
Think of some medical and scientific advancement that religion hasn't tried to stop.
Brainwashing children to say believe or this terrible stuff will happen
Religion is mainly used as a loophole for negative life choices.
Oh I drank and hooked up with someone, good thing I've got a free pass if I ask God for forgiveness
>>703707204
I am raised in an athiest house and became druid soooo its very rare in my experience i know many athiest families and all their kids are athiest.
>>703707461
He will do his will
And you will learn to accept this
we need to do away with old religion and create something new that includes everybody. we are all incarnations of god. you are one with this universe and one with this whole scheme of things
im 24 and a virgin by choice because of my faith
>>703706820
Your brain is literally lying to you.
When in hardships your brain attempts to make things better for you. Something different happens "must be god god is real god is great
>>703707306
Go advertise your shitty autistic channel somewhere else, cunt.
>>703707724
or we aren't. you don't fucking know lol. you don't just get to say that.
>>703707007
Sounds like judgment have fun in hell sinner
>>703705452
Think of it like this, instead of putting the creation story of the bible into seven days think of it as millions of years. I think the interpretation is too literal
> "let there be light"= big bang and formation of
>Creating land and sea, night and day= formation of celestial bodies
>Creation of animals= first living creatures slowly evolving
>creation of humans= pinnacle of evolution in which microscopic organisms slowly evolved to what we are, the bible saying that god made us from "dust" could be referring to these organisms, honestly I don't think the bible should always be taken literally
>>703707615
Forgiveness doesn't work like that. As a Christian, you are Saved NOT by simply asking for forgiveness every time you consciously/unconsciously sin, but by MAINTAINING the image of a Christian in both public and private life. Sanctification isn't as free as atheists think, and isn't as permanent, either.
>>703699484
I used to hope the younger generations were religious hipsters or sarcastically.
>>703707879
me too thanks
>>703707784
Not giving into temptation is just as bad as absorbing yourself in it
>>703707879
That was easy
>>703707299
I've been to two separate shit holes where islam is life
I've met different people theyre all just like the good ones I know
As a side note in the whole conversation, whenever an atheist challenges my belief in the Bible and starts quoting ANYTHING from Leviticus, I automatically start laughing and zone out.
Fuck yes.
>>703708239
So how are you coping with the regret so far?
>>703707461
I've been to church multiple times and talked to several pastors (not the pedo ones)
People have shown me "his" way and his plan, full of assumptions loop holes and obviously fabricated stories
>>703707724
Christianity does include everybody, and as a Catholic I believe that even good people of other religions can be led to Christ through their own cultural lenses. However it's self apparent we live in a world of good and evil, and we all have the same free will to commit good or evil. Hell isn't a place that god made to punish us as I once thought, it's a place we create in the absense of God.
>>703708446
Same here.
>>703707615
I think you mean that has tried to stop? Because I would say that it hasn't tried to stop many groundbreaking medical research. Many hospitals are religious entities using healing as a ministry of Christ.
As for the frat boy scenario, Scripture tells us that we are required to love the Lord and except Christ as our savior. That is it. However, we are also told, that the fruits of excepting the Lord into your heart are that you no longer desire to do things like the scenario you mentioned. Someone using that as a crutch is not truly in the faith. But someone who slips up honestly and learns from their mistake is different.
There is this stigma that Christians are perfect, partially because of their own mouths, but truly, we are not. We are sinners just like everyone else. That doesn't change and it doesn't get easier to avoid sin per sé.
>>703708239
You do realize having tattoos is a sin, right? You're not a real Christian, you fucking phony.
>>703708496
Why are you taking with such conviction of these things? You do realize these are all assumptions you're making.
>>703708446
If there was a perfect guide to everything you wouldn't figure it out
You can't avoid the "me" complex no matter which shoe you put on
None are a perfect fit
The whole "whaaaaa why cant it just be easy!" Argument is just as retarded as religous extremist views
>>703708446
Did you actually go with an open mind, or prepared to deny whatever they said? Additionally, did you question why you thought their explanations had loop holes?
>>703708230
I don't suppose you care to elaborate?
>>703708230
Atheist here, honest question to you, or anyone for that matter, what is your response to this quote?
mfw religious people not realizing they're atheists as well in regards to any other religion there is that they don't agree with.
>>703708889
Just turn your brain off
Btw you're immoral and will burn for all eternity and I won't so I win anyway
>>703708751
You're fervidly retarded.
>>703707814
Actually, the fact that your brain can fabricate the concept of God is direct proof a higher complexity exists. Materialistic reductionism is completely irrational, if anything an insane denial of self experience. Humans have a higher purpose and it's self evident in everything we do.
>>703707899
That's pretty logical. I like it
What about the Bible referring to the world as flat?
Or being pro slavery
Talking animals Adam n eve
The flood
Multiple blood types from only two people
God knows all so did he know the apple would be eaten so he set them up for failure because love?
I'm not trying to be a dick you've had good answers I'd like to see if there are more
>>703708736
I know its a sin, like having a strange hair and eating fuckin Meat.
But I praise God and believe in him, not by all the standars made by te Bible, I just hope and praise He's with me all time, thats better than be an annoying guy like you who's ateist and think u are better cause u dont even spend time to understand something called Love
>>703708954
Often times the only difference between a religious person and an atheist is, an atheist believes in one less religion.
>>703709204
>self evident in everything we do
Uhh, care to elaborate on that, friend?
>>703709148
Care to back that up?
Just because you cant the joke doesnt mean someone should have to explain it to you
>>703708875
Leviticus contains many old and outdated laws written specifically and only for the sinful Israelites back in the day. In no way, shape, or form does it apply to any aspect of modern day Christianity. Case in point: 2:11, 10:6, 11:27, 22:28. Feel free to look these up.
Im actually a Crowleysian Thelemite magician
>>703708239
TOPKEK! THAT'S LITERALLY A SIN, YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
Everybody on this thread is a fucking twat, none of you are going to convert each other. No one's minds are going to be changed by babble. Shut the fuck up, the lot of you
>>703709529
Knew it was too bad to be true.
>>703708889
He doesn't prevent evil, which he can, because we as a species deserve it more than we will ever know.
>but why'd he allow us to be fucked up
He didn't, he gave us the power of free will. We abused the power of free will more than Erdogan is abusing his power as president rn.
>>703708733
Religion tired to stop people from disecting and understanding the body. That's gods work
Stem cells abortion medicine in general
Hospitals are religious entities for money playin into the religious wallet
Why go to a hospital when I could just pray
>>703709721
Read my last post u twat, instead of being stupid
>>703709721
>leviticus
ha ha hahahaha
>>703708778
Yes, it was a low point in my life so I was mentally vulnerable.
Their explanations varied from have more faith I pray for you and you're talking that out of context
>>703709781
>taking everything seriously
Isn't it past your bedtime?
>>703709724
I don't wanna change anyone's way of thinking. I just like challenging people and having retarded argumentation that needs repairing thrown back.
>>703709204
So because I'm capable of thinking it proves god?
I can think that God is fabricated and not real, does that prove he isn't real?
>>703710018
I got it, you're edgy. You don't need to prove it. Save yourself time.
>>703709816
We as Christians don't associate ourselves with those who don't use common sense when living their lives. Hospitals are provided by God for you to survive, and you're an idiot for thinking mere words are enough. Wonder why your prayer didn't get answered? BECAUSE THE ANSWER IS IN FRONT OF YOUR FUCKING EYES.
Pulchre ualet Charinus et tamen pallet.
Parce bibit Charinus et tamen pallet.
Bene concoquit Charinus et tamen pallet.
Sole utitur Charinus et tamen pallet.
Tingit cutem Charinus et tamen pallet.
Cunnum Charinus et tamen pallet.
>>703709494
Observing human nature, and what's good and bad for us, the reasons behind the functions, you will eventually find God. The Atheists logic is irrational reductionism (ei: just chemicals in the brain), but what is the essense of those chemicals? Their purpose, where does it all lead too? God.
>>703709254
Yeah, the guy who actually knows that tattoos are a sin and doesn't have them is the one who's an "ateist", sure.
>>703709724
That isn't the point
It isnt about making everyone believe
But those few who get it are learning from eachothers experiences
Hate to tell you but not one person has figured out everything
Its a group effort you shit stain
>>703710428
I believe you're a troll at this point.
>>703710009
Well, at least it seems like you got your faith (self-faith) back at least? I'm happy for you, it seems like that did work, just not the way you expected it to.
>>703709806
So what you are saying is he is able to, but doesn't. Like the quote says that would make him malevolent, would it not?
Consider this, a person, perfectly able to save a baby from a burning building with no risk to himself, with the snap of his fingers. He simply doesn't because he thinks the baby should have "free will" and the choice to be saved. A lot of free will that baby has, not being able to walk or anything.
>>703710389
My sides
I wish you luck friend
>>703710408
Yet more excuses
You don't associate with other people out of fear and the mere chance you might stop believing
Difference between me and your god, I'd stop murder genocide and rape if I could out of decency
But yes he loves everyone
>>703709816
Laws designed to protect the Israelites were designed for their times. Opening dead bodies without medical procedure can spread infection.
The bible says nothing on stem cells research. Abortion yes it does have a stance on as pro life unless the mother's life is in danger and I would expect nothing less from a church.
Many hospitals though, will waive hospital fees if you show that you cannot afford to pay. Doctors fee are another issue though since each doctor has their own offices.
As for praying, most Christians go to the hospital and they should. Praying can still be involved, but the Lord wouldn't tell you to not get in a life boat if your ship was sinking because you should have prayed about it.
>>703710753
>>703710648
Babies do not have free will.
You are correct in saying he is able to, but doesn't. Again, it's because we don't deserve it. Too often Christians drop their faith because they requested something from God that they simply don't deserve and ended up empty-handed. It's not the correct way to approach God or prayer.
>>703710333
No, but denying reality doesn't change it. For example, traps can pretend to be women but the reality is that they're not. There's all kinds of health and mental issues because of their denial of reality, this is also proof of God, that there's a correct and incorrect way to live.
>>703710960
How about the innocent people starving in the world, any of these people who are completely helpless and have done nothing wrong at all.
Side question: Why worship a god that treats people like shit?
>>703710890
You're just making excuses backed by no factual evidence
ITT ---
>pic related
>>703711172
I sincerely hope you're a troll at this point
>>703711358
>>703710579
Why? Denial does not dictate reality.
>>703711386
So you think the world would be better if someone told you all about how it works?
>>703699484
** are any of you fuckfaces religious still**
I don't necessarily believe Jesus was God but I do believe there is some higher power.
* I may not believe in God, that doesn't mean I'm not afraid of him *
>>703709724
To prove the Christian God is real, wouldn't you have to have proof the bible isn't fiction? You have to have faith it's nonfiction. Personally I have to have facts and proof before I believe anything.
>>703711511
t. trap
>>703699633
Which university? I need to tell the FBI about the atomic bomb you're trying to build.
>>703709888
I did, all it proved is that you're a fake Christian. If you actually believed in the Bible, you'd do your best to follow its standards. You're as Christian as a drunk Muslim eating bacon is Muslim.
>>703711552
Elaborate
>>703711552
Not your OP, don't even know your stance, but how wouldn't it not benefit us? There's a pragmatic side to scientific research; it's not all dreamy eyes human curiosity.
>>703711386
What evidence is required for these statements? Did I miss something?
>>703711637
>but muh experiences ;_;
>>703711625
By their fruit you will recognize them
>>703699935
Murder and pedophilia are crimes, not sciences.
>>703711689
This tired argument? Faith is not stupidity. If I got sick I would go to the hospital.
>>703711751
I read the Bible and I can assure you, I feel things from that book and I cant feel others. If I believe in God, I praise to God and think about God, I dont have to follow at 100% one book made from humans. God is real, and we all can believe in Him, even if that means a few of us condemn ourselves. But I wont discuss your point of view more, u are free to say what you want.
>>703711808
>>703711761
Okay
So are you denying corruption exists?
When you give people false power they will abuse it if they think they can get away with it
Everyone is tested
Not in the same way
But tested
Time will prove this
It is not my job
But you still ask
Maybe instead of asking me
Ask god to guide you
It wont always be a insta thing for all of us
We deserve nothing in this world but to learn
You can still enjoy it though
In moderation
You have to learn
>>703711844
Evidence is required for everything
I've got ten trillion dollars believe me?
You don't? You need more faith
Question everything
>>703711637
That's fucking retarded. Raise one person from the dead or multiply a fish into a million fish or transmute a substance. ANY substance. Or shut the fuck with you little book of fables and tribal wisdoms re-written more times than I can count to fit the 'new' narrative.
If earth was wiped out and only "the hobbit" survived, do you think you'd have to disprove hobbits existed or you'd prove the existence of Sauron?
The level of intellectual dishonesty is staggering.
>>703711172
>god = correct / incorect way to live
no
according to every religions god is a principle or a tendency not a he or she therefore god can't decide the way you should live or decide anything at all
Religions teaches that you are a part of god and are made from the divine also they are separations and messengers between gods and humans
pic related
isis osiris and the spirit are in a square
notice the lotus giving life to the 4 elements
its stem under the throne of osiris in a black and white magma (ether)
>>703711689
Science and Religion are not mutually exclusive and if anything inseperateable.
>>703712113
Pray harder don't drive just let Jesus take the wheel
People have literally done that shit over faith
>>703712369
>>703712305
Gets hit with a valid point or tough question
Immediately leaves conversation
>>703712113
Don't forget that some healthcare benefits are limited in some countries and areas because of religious dogma (generally in poorer parts of the world), and big institutions like the Catholic Church is playing a role in it.
>>703712369
thrones also happen to be an angelical order like kerubim or seraphin
see vision of the char ezechiel etc
>>703712313
I'll just live the life of a murderous rapist drug dealer and at the last moment, thank you jeebus lord and savior
Straight to heaven
You see the bs within this
>>703712621
Not leaving I wont discuss just that, everyone is free to go the way they like, if u keep thinking like that remember if you really wanna think your mother will go to hell for having pre-matrimonial relations and more than a pendant, or your little brother with a strange hair, or even your sons if one of them is homosexual.
sorry for my bad english , a science is proven, religion no!
>>703712313
Ow, you're out of your mind.
>>703712893
Actually read the bible before you say such things
>>703712621
The bait was easy, come on.
>>703713039
It's written in black in white in the good book
Now you're fucked for questioning the Lord's word
Sinner sinner
>>703713231
Implying I haven't
There's one 3 feet from me
Have you?
>>703713231
>read afew thousand page book from the stone age with enough tribal laws to cover any eventuality.
>not just cherrypicking phrases to fit the argument
kek
>>703708239
Kek, not only is it blasphemy to have tattoos of any kind, but you're really spitting in God's face by having a tattoo of a cross. You're no better than those people who make those dildos of baby Jesus.
>>703713479
Got one in almost every room
If you've read
Which passage would you say really connects with you
What gives you that unexplainable feeling and connection
I cant deny your claims anymore than you can deny mine
We are not meant to change one another
Having passive conversation on it does us no harm though
>>703713620
Hope is not lost. He can turn it into a badass sword.
After he wakes up, that is.
>>703700263
You went full retard, in other words
>>703713543
>being this retarded
In time I suppose
>>703708239
the cross is a phallic symbol so basically you have a dick tatooed on your wrist
>>703711368
Return question: Why care for, provide for, and be the inspiration for a people who treat you like shit?
>>703701291
Argument from ignorance. You can't "know" it because there is no demonstrable evidence.
Yup. I became a theist after careful study - works like Feser's The Last Superstition started me on a slow but radical paradigm shift. There is a very, very small movement of curious atheists discovering classical philosophy, but I doubt it will grow in a substantial way because it's fairly esoteric stuff. It'll take a long while before this stuff trickles down to the mainstream.
>>703714069
>but muh experiences ;_;
>>703701874
Faith is literally the absence of reason.
>>703713787
I like the idea of religion more than practicality
Gives people hope and happiness
But for the most part I've seen it used negatively
For me there's just too many issues with the writing and today's technology.
>>703710837
The fact that you exist, the fact that He allowed your existence, is proof that he loves everyone.
Why place innocents in the midst of genocide and rape? It builds character. It tests your faith to see how far it'd go.
Interesting parallel that I think is related: read the Book of Job.
>>703713787
I can deny your claims. I deny them outright. They are absurd, ignorant and in many cases actively cause harm in the world. It is childish to believe in a bearded father in the sky and many of the worlds worst mass killers believed they were acting on diving orders.
But to each his own I guess. You want to believe in fairy tales, that's your perogative, i'll just discriminate against your lack of common sense and judgment.
>>703701900
Buddhism doesn't have a deity, so technically you're just a Buddhist.
>>703709130
this comment is so immature and cringeworthy it hurt
>>703714256
You should improve on your bait skills.This is too easy.
>>703702009
Congratulations! There is no reason to believe in a sky daddy
>>703714256
Kek
Once again no factual evidence just open ended statements
>>703714333
I use "secular" merely as to signal that I don't believe in metaphysical ideas such as karma and reincarnation.
>>703702234
Good for you! Same here.
>>703713999
We must do that to function as a society, while we have no need to worship someone who has what seems like contempt towards us.
Next Question: Do you believe your god is responsible for the lives lost and suffering of others due to him not intervening, in situations where the victim was no way at fault?
>>703714221
Couldn't agree more
Faith is a test though
>>703714256
Yes friend, Allah made us all exist to try us before we gain our virgins in heaven! You are a true believer. Allah made us all to build our character!
You understand!
>>703705239
hermetic philosophy detected
>>703702244
It provides delusional nonsense and it relies largely upon brainwashing children, so yeah, it hurts people.
>>703714322
So its more childish to think you are entitled to a perfet world
Where everything makes sense
And your every whim is catered to?
>>703714385
I'm not baiting. You're the one who's resorting to elementary false accusations.
>>703714552
But why test if he loves us so much
Why not give us undeniable proof
Stop genocide stop rape war and al, these other terrible things
I'd literally do anything for the ones I love
But he just says it's free will
Seems sketchy to me
>>703711625
And im born in Paris so im an atheist who know more about theology than any of you fools
Thanks god
>>703714115
way better thread
>>703714927
>born in Paris
>not a muslim
Pick one, kek.
>>703714804
God lets kids starve and women get beaten and raped so they build character and have their faith tested. There's a reason this type of reasoning isn't compatible with modern society and moral norms. You're also a sociopath.
