How do atheists know there is no god?
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How do atheists know there is no god?
>>703674824
They don't, but all the evidence points to there not being one
How do theists know if there isn't a god?
i'd study her bible
if you know what i mean
Because science has proven there is no god
>>703675462
uh no it hasn't
>>703675146
What evidence?
I'm generally curious, what reasons has science proved against there being a god
>>703674824
How do non atheists know that there is a God?
>>703674824
Atheist don't know shit
>>703674824
How do religious people know that there is one? Oh, it's that magic word called faith, aka, they just believe it.
It's up to theist to prove there is, not to atheists to prove there isn't
>>703675934
both are examples of blind faith, with being an atheist and believing in a religion there is no definite proof
>>703674824
there is no evidence to support its existence. Just as with many other ideas, whatever is not proven to exist, is considered non existent.
>>703676108
How the fuck do you prove something doesn't exist?
>>703676068
It's up to either side to prove their claim since both sides are making them. Don't be lazy.
>>703676108
There is definite proof that religions are wrong.
>>703675756
Nothing's really been proved, but it does make it seem more and more unlikely as science progresses
>>703676226
Can't prove it exists, also can't prove that it doesn't I believe the question is outside of our human knowledge whatever the answer may be
>>703676226
>Proof by contradiction
>>703674824
they don't. atheism is about a LACK of belief. Saying you're an atheist doesn't automatically mean you claim that you know there's no god
>>703676348
You can't prove something doesn't exist, that doesn't makes sense
>>703676108
Well... being an a-theist is being without a belief in a higher power, not a conviction against. Anti-theist would be asserting it doesn't exist.
One would think, at this point, that if a god existed that there would be actual proof of one, though. But to not have been convinced of a claim is the opposite of faith. It is the restraint of belief in waiting on evidence to be presented.
>>703676317
Which religions? and what is the proof I'm not doubting you I just find it interesting
>>703676289
Yes, but using Occam's Razor, clearly we have to assume there's no god or gods.
But that's not proof.
Anyone who believes with total certainty that god or gods do not exist is unscientific in the extreme, and doing a disservice to atheists everywhere. Absolutely disgusting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gödel's_ontological_proof
>>703674824
There actually isn't any definitive evidence that points to there being a higher power, or any that proves there isn't one. This is the vaguest and simplest factoid, but it also explains why atheists are stupid arrogant fedora wearing edge-lords, and why bible thumping religious fanatics are usually made up of uneducated easily duped morons. The intelligent people of this planet will say what "they believe to be true." Personally I believe there is a very large chance of there being extra terrestrial life and it's completely possible some of them could be our initial creators. This is why the word "faith" is so key in religion
They have to be agnostics
>>703676509
>because god is scientific af
>>703675146
>>703675242
>>703675462
Pascals wager you pseud
Enjoy burning in hell
Call it an educated guess
It's called a faith for a reason.
I'm guessing they're fucking hoping for a god because why the fuck not.
Leave 'em be.
>>703674824
>How do atheists know there is no god?
The same way believers know there is a god ... faith.
>>703675755
Exactly. There is no proof a god, especially as defined by most religious texts, exists. You can't disprove a negative.
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
>>703676289
I'm Katy Perry. Prove I'm not.
>>703676214
Thanks big babby!
>>703676667
If there WAS a god-
you'd get quads
oh
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
because we have fedoras.
>>703674824
In all of the advancements we've made, and of everything we can observe in the Cosmos, we've yet to see any evidence of any version of 'god.'
>>703676423
Well, you can through logical syllogism. A contradiction implies nonexistence of one or the other.
For instance, Christians claim the bible is unerring. It has been found to be errant, therefore the god their book describes does not exist. Granted, then they simply move the goal posts.
It can be far harder to prove something doesn't exist, for sure, but it is doable.
The problem with proving that a god doesn't exist is actually in stapling down the claims. And since they adhere to the belief regardless of contradiction, they will deny no matter what you say.
>>703676664
good point, like think, what's the worst that can happen if you are a theist and there is no God? then think what is the worst that could happen if you are an atheist and there is a God?
>>703676423
Yes you can, it's just more difficult because you have to observe everything else within finite restrictions in order to rule out whether or not that other thing is there.
>>703674824
Isn't that joanna jedrzejczyk?
Becausr ive died twice and seen no light, no flashbacks, no demons or angels. Nothing but energy leaving my body and comung back on resuscitation.
One can´t fucking know any way. In my opinion, atheism is as much a religion as christianity. No matter how much we figure out with science, none of the truly significant questions have been answered. What the fuck is life, what is setting the laws of nature. We don´t even know what existence really is, or consciousness. We can explain how it works, but not why. I am not a christian, but I think completely ignoring the concept of a higher power is pure ignorance
>>703674824
i am not sure if there is a god, probably not. how can religious people not see the context of how HUMANS INVENTED RELIGION?? its so fucking clear to see that every single fucking religion is made BY HUMAN FOR HUMAN. got that now you stupid little monkey?
>>703676605
You miss the point. The point is that asserting a god doesn't exist is unscientific. Luckily atheism is about not being convinced of the existence, not asserting the nonexistence.
>>703677022
>I'm Katy Perry. Prove I'm not.
>>703676971
There's no point in believing nor not believing.
Because whatever happens, it's gonna fucking happen to all of us.
>>703676940
how do you think all the cosmos was made?
>>703676509
How the fuck does Occam's Razor prove that God doesn't exist. It's simpler to assume that everything emerged from nothing rather to assume that it came from something?
>>703675146
You're actually really wrong. None of the evidence points in either direction, all the evidence points to is a mechanism behind how stuff happened, not whether or not there's some supreme being that decided to make it happen. You can argue whether or not you think a specific religion is correct, but nobody knows whether god exists or not.
>>703676605
It's not. But what is unscientific is to rule out something, anything.
There is no proof of the non-existence of anything. There is only proof FOR the existence of things.
>>703676214
thanks big babby
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
>>703675242
We don't, we make a choice to believe even if we know that we could be wrong.
>>703676214
Thanks big babby!
>>703677154
In what way am I wrong?
>>703677219
>>703677154
>Katy Perry on 4chan never directly observed
>obviously not Katy Perry
>atheist logic
>>703677219
It came about from a singularity of infinite density. If you contest this, you should be prepared to answer where 'god' came from.
>and please don't say, "he's just always been there"
>where would 'there' be exactly? Outside of time and space?
>>703676971
>if you are a theist and there is no God?
What if you are a theist and pick the wrong god?
>>703676971
It is more complicated, though... what is the worst that can happen if you happen to choose the wrong god, versus sitting on the fence...?
Most gods get super pissed about people worshiping other gods... even ones like the christian god that assert there are no other gods... but still say they will be pissed if you worship them...
>>703674824
Oh all mighty may you bless and forgive this thread, and all thy anon's fedoras. Dear god please give us the strength to know all the bible to be completely true and taken 100% literally. Bless this nudie i am about to post and may our dicks be diamonds for days, grant us a true fappening 2.0 and lower the age of consent to 16 in the U.S. And finally God may us all get dubs once a day. CAN I GET AN AMEN!?
Religion only exists in your mind
>>703677431
But the likelihood against is pretty swaying.
Tits or GTFO...?
I considered myself an atheist for a long time, until recently. The idea of denying a higher power just seems ridiculous to me. Not sure what clicked, but suddenly I just felt like there is more to this. Souls, energy, something.. There is something, and it's undeniable to me now. I'm a lot happier now than I was, too. No longer depressed. I love life and feel like I can take on the world.
>>703676679
I asked for evidence disproving god since you implied there was any, not the lack of evidence proving god being the evidence for no god. That's not an argument and you still need to prove your claim objectively.
>>703676628
You think you can trick an omniscient god by saying you believe in it when you know you have no idea and you're just playing the odds?
You'd better hope there isn't a god on the other end of that deal, or your cynical ass is going to fare worse than ours. We were at least honest about our reasons for withholding belief.
>>703676679
The assertion that there is no god isn't a negative, it's a positive just like saying a god exists.
>>703677555
trips dont lie, amen.
>>703677689
Winrar
>>703677689
you don't know how proof works or claims work
lol
>>703677555
TRIPS! Holy fuck there is a god. Please forgive us all. Amen
>>703677887
Yes I do, I literally stated it in the post you responded to.
>>703677676
Magical thinking is undeniable...?
Appeal to ignorance fallacy.
It making you happy is not an argument for its validity either.
Believe what you want, but 'its just gotta be' isn't very swaying at all.
>>703677676
Yes, self delusion and self deception can be quite freeing.
Atheism is a believe. You BELIEVE there is no god. Until it is proven otherwise. Which makes more sense than the other way around.
>>703677887
Not even the guy you're arguing with but you've totally ignored his question. Most hypocritical shit ever.
>>703675999
Atheists are in the same boat, both sides require faith, and conflating atheism with believing science is just flat out wrong.
>>703677736
You don't seem to understand what the wager implies
The fact you still worry of morality in comparison to a theist means you believe
>>703678058
So to have FAITH in God is bullshit but to BELIEVE there is no God is legit? That sounds absolutely liberally retarded.
>>703676628
What if you believe in wrong god?
Pascals Wager is trash argument
>>703677555
Hahaha I can't believe I just got trips on that. Amen
>>703678058
It is a lack of belief. It is as much a belief as not playing golf is a hobby...
>>703677498
I think that implies to when you put something above that of God, eg money of a statue etc.
>>703678208
>You don't seem to understand what the wager implies
The wager implies that of all the gods that have been declared you have magically picked the correct one.
>>703677555
epic
There's no empirical evidence proving the existence of a god.
>>703678368
Everyone has an interpretation, I suppose.
Granted, it literally says 'thou shalt have no other gods before me' but also speaks to idolatry as a separate thing. So I think that my interpretation makes more sense than seeing god and statues as money.
>>703678228
Atheists ate uncultured retards that can't seem to grasp a basic theory yet always seem to pretend they do
>How do atheists know there is no god?
Wrong question.
It's theists that claim there is one. The burdon of proof is on them.
Since they'll never proof it, the issue is moot.
Also. Since Atheist is a word made up by the religious, I laugh at this label. I also dont ride a motorcycle, doesnt make me an Amotorcyclist. Dont play golf, doesnt make me an Agolfer / Agolfist.
Pic related. Have one on me.
>>703678068
i don't need to, bc I'm not the guy he's arguing with either
just making the point, that that's not how proof works, or claims work
I don't get to say "I claim there exists a thing, and if you don't agree then you're wrong and an evil fucker and deserve to burn in a firey pit of unpleasantness for infinity", to which you say "eh, I don't see any evidence for that, I'll believe it when I see it anon" and have me say "You must show proof that your claim that my absurd claim is wrong is right."
That's not how burden of proof works.
>>703674824
I don't. I know some things are true based on evidence, and god isn't one of them. God is an evidenceless theory, and it's as good as any other.
>>703678427
Except that's not it though
>>703678600
Atheists claim there is no god, they have an equal burden of proof.
>>703678572
Would you be more likely to smite someone who joined with your enemy, or spread stories against you, or someone who completely ignored you...? Your ideas really aren't that complicated. Just sayin.
>>703674824
Joanna Champion is God
>>703678702
>Except that's not it though
Oh, but it is.
Please state your version of Pascal's Wager so I can get a good laugh.
>>703678615
You said there was evidence pointing to god not existing. I asked what that evidence was and you dodged the question. You have yet to state this evidence that points to god not existing.
>>703678727
why dont you believe in allah?
>>703678727
That would be an anti-theist... technically...
An atheist simply has no belief in god. This implies they are not convinced, have not developed a belief in, as opposed to having conviction against.
>>703674824
As long as there are unanswered questions, unexplained phenomenons, and faith, there will be a God of some sort watching us. Experiencing and observing life in general is reason enough to believe there is something pretty awesome out there.
>>703674824
We ARE gods
Definition of atheism isnt "THERE IS NO GOD" Athiests just dont have the belief in one. it's something they cannot help. They dont usually claim to KNOW there ISNT one.
>>703678572
94% of scientists in the world
87% of professional artists
91% of mathematicians and physicists
98% of working philosophers
89% of nobel prize winners
90% of peaceful world leaders
arts
creativity
sciences
humanities
uncultured swine, all of them
plz anon, show them the error of their ways
>>703679091
yeah me lmao fuck u
>>703674824
The universe is under no obligation to make sense to you.
>>703679075
Because I don't subscribe to organized religion. I'm just stating a fact.
>>703677555
Best comment I've seen today. Amen
>>703674824
Because Bible says that Adam and Eve were first people on planet and God created them.
We can clearly see that it was an evolutional thing. Monkeys are our ancestors.
You still see many especially niggers who are like monkeys. As well as looking like monkey and behaving like monkeys
>>703674824
being an atheist means you don't believe that god exists, not believing that god doesn't exist. HUGE difference.
I believe there is SOME kind of higher order but I don't believe any religion here because anyone of the could be true or false because they have now REAL definitive proof. at the same time I 100% agree with science, we evolved into what we are today. But the reason I believe there is an almighty being or whatever you wanna call it is because there is No way for us to even comprehend what came before nothing so theres gotta be something more powerful behind the scenes.
>>703679216
Well said dude
>>703679091
>As long as there are unanswered questions, unexplained phenomenons, and faith, there will be a God of some sort watching us.
This makes no sense.
>Experiencing and observing life in general is reason enough to believe there is something pretty awesome out there.
Why?
>>703679183
You see? God made faggots like this one. And, butt sex is really pleasurable for a dude.
>>703679144 your definition is agnostic atheism
>>703674824
How do non-athiests know there is a god?
>>703679037
Why do you pseuds always post totally unrelated surface level "art" to look cultured
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Pascal%27s+wager
Atheists are always smug pseuds for some reason.
>>703679321
>i don't understand so there must be a god
>>703679289
If you don't believe god exists, then you believe god doesn't exist. It's literally the same thing.
>>703679155
[Citation needed]
>>703674824
I don't. Knowing would imply evidence.
I feel I can safely conclude that there is a preponderance lack of evidence to support a god theory and this conclude there is no god.
But you are free to disagree as there is no evidence at all to prove the negative.
I know is bait but it's delicious.
dear religious anons,
dont you think the whole galaxy shit is a litte more complicated than your religion explains it? dont you think that the beliefs of christians for example are childish as fuck? the good one go to heaven, the bad ones to hell? come on, thats ridicolous. also if you are only beeing nice because you want to go to heaven, it doesnt make you a good person and its a very fucked up. you dont believe in 1000000 religions, i dont believe in 1000001. so we are pretty much the same..
>>703679514
Before today, did you believe I existed?
Before today, did you believe I didn't exist?
>>703679616
>le tired old "morals are childish" meme
>>703678727
incorrect
atheists do not subscribe to any theistic faith.
a-theist
not a theist
I'm catholic, and never met anyone as extremely atheist as I am, and I'm about 90% convinced that every atrocious idea of a god I've ever read from any human cult is entirely lacking anything that would make me think it came from anywhere but the peoples of that cultures imaginations, or that one god or twenty god is even necessary at all.
Most are nowhere near as far down this old road as I am.
>>703679633
you forgot that he's also his dad
>>703678224
Faith and believe are essentially the same. And neither is legit or bullshit without the appropriate evidence.
>>703678279
You aren't exactly disagreeing here. Saying I lack believe in god(s) and that I don't in the existence of a god are the same damn thing. Your analogy sucks though. Technically, by definition, you could make not playing golf your hobby, though.
>>703679514
Not really.
I like the gumball analogy - the number in a bottle could be even or odd. Not being convinced it is even does not imply I believe it is odd. I am not convinced of either.
>>703676289
No its not. Theist make the claim. Theist needs to prove it. They can't. Blind faith is all they've got.
The none believer in me just couldn't care less about your mental handicap.
>>703679633
That's shaped like a hat.
>>703679820
>*that I don't believe in the existence
>>703679075
then we are pretty close. i think its ok to believe there is a higher power, even though i find it childish an ridicolous. i just hate the organized religions so much.. only wars and shit since the beginning. also in my country the STATE pays the salary of all bishops (10.000 eur/month) this is pissing me of so much
Religiocucks have Dostoyevsky
Athecunts have dawkins, hitler and the amazing atheist
Idk seems a little one sided to me tbh
>>703679732
> the old 'religion is necessary for morals' meme
>>703679508
Think about what came before the big bang. A bunch of floating paricles right? But what about before that? There would be no empty space to occupy because nothing exist at all... but if nothing existed AT ALL what made those particles? There is no comprehension beyond that point, something more powerful must be before that.
>>703677025
yes. many many yes.
>>703679521
open any fucking book for or against atheism, even once faggot
do you even read?
other favorites:
portion of murricans who would vote for:
a gay president: 32%
a transexual president: 27%
an atheist president: 15%
lol
>>703676108
>calling the burden of proof and Occam's Razor "blind faith"
Kek
>>703679514
I believe God doesn't exist in the same way I believe Elsa from Frozen doesn't exist. If my daughter asks me if Elsa is real, I'll be lazy and say no, even though I can't prove she isn't. I think that's fair, and if my daughter argues and tells me I can't prove it, I'll smack her in face for being a retarded bitch.
>>703679741
>I'm catholic, and never met anyone as extremely atheist as I am
wut
>>703679673
Not being able to believe in god because you haven't conceived the thought of pondering its existence can't be labeled as not believing in god. Those are actually two different things and you should modify your language.
>>703679820
You can make not doing something a hobby...? You define things oddly... Something being a hobby is defined by a thing you actively do and take interest in.
Though... this does make it blatantly obvious why you miss the point. Thanks for the clarification :D
>>703680051
It is though. I used to have the same idea as you when I was an edgy 15 year old freethinker. Atheists claim to be moral but are all depressed, ironic assholes and always always embodying the worst of postmodern philosophy. Atheists are cancer
>>703679732
you know what really helps people? human rights. you know who still didnt accept them? vatican
>>703674824
how do christians know there is no thor?
>>703680134
>Think about what came before the big bang. A bunch of floating paricles right?
Wrong.
You are able to fill the empty spaces in your knowledge with god, because there are so many of them and they are quite large.
>>703679616
The galaxy is complicated. Don't you think people with religion have doubts from time to time? Nothing's black and white and it'll never be. The point is, when the time comes, and you "meet your maker" and you look back on your life, what will you see?
>>703674824
They don't. They can't prove there is no god, and they don't have faith, so they can't believe it either.
>>703680134
Something more powerful...?
Why not just the universe, in a perpetual cycle?
>>703680192
>literally using the "read a book" argument in 2016
>implying intelligence is measured by how much you read
https://encyclopediadramatica.se/Read_a_book
Wow
You sure are smarter than me for reading dawkins and 1984 in high school
>>703680134
Latest theory is that the speed of light changed value and caused a massive ejection of matter and energy and reached equilibrium with our observed speed of light..
e = mc^2 and all that.
Now, what is the nature of the place where light changed speed is beyond us for the time being.
>>703680494
did you know that your thoughts and believes and everything is made by your brain? so if you die, your brain is OFF. no more thoughts, nothing. its a fact. ok?
>>703680312
I'm atheist, yet none of the other things you project onto atheists describes me
Huh. Guess it's not as simple as you've mad up in your mind.
Religion in all forms is cancer
>>703680494
Nothing obviously. You'll be dead.
>>703680275
Old irish joke:
>Two IRA guards stop a guy:
>"oh it's okay fellas, no trouble, I'm atheist..."
>look him up & down
>"yea but, catholic atheist or protestant atheist?"
lol
>>703680482
Kek
>>703680134
>turtles all the way down
Basically you're saying you can't get your head round the Big Bang so there must be something easier to understand behind it - i.e. something, which for some reason must be God just because our culture readily accepts that particular concept. But if there must be something more powerful before, why not insist there must be something more powerful before that?
Theists think atheists are arrogant (for some reason) but I think your opinion is rooted in arrogance, even if you don't realise it. It's arrogant to assume we must be able to comprehend something for it to be real. We have evolved in the universe as it is - why should we be able to understand something completely alien to us? All we can do is look at the evidence and draw conclusions from what it shows. Sometimes we can't understand how the conclusions work, but the evidence doesn't lie.
>>703680310
Tell me, what is a hobby? If you actively avoid playing golf with your pressing buddies, and it entertains you, does that not satisfy the definition? Or are you talking about the hobby you rock back and forth as you post? The latter would definitely not work for me.
>>703674824
taht looks like pro fighter joanna champion
>>703674824
They don't and can't prove it. All comes down to faith. You cannot forceful convince anyone of something they do not wish to believe.
>>703674824
Man's unfailing capacity to believe what he prefers to be true rather than what the evidence shows to be likely and possible has always astounded me. We long for a caring Universe which will save us from our childish mistakes, and in the face of mountains of evidence to the contrary we will pin all our hopes on the slimmest of doubts. God has not been proven not to exist, therefore he must exist.
Academician Prokhor Zakharov
>>703675242
They don't just like they don't know if leprechauns are real or smurfs. Just like you. Try to live an evidence-based life.
You ever think that the Adam and Eve myth shows that perfect beings A. Aren't ashamed of nudity and B. Don't know the difference between good and evil. So god is a child? Or some pedophile?
>>703674824
Because everything points at religion to be a man conspired thing which is only used for power and ruling of masses.
However IMO there might actually be a god, however all these asshats on earth speaking for god has no idea what he/she/it is or what he/she/it wants. So with that said, does it really matter if there is a god or not?
>>703674824
Because people like you exist
If there is a god he is a complete cunt and should be rejected thoroughly.
Look at basically anything if you don't believe me.
Because logic dictates the notion of "God" being a fallacy.
Older philosophers, such as Pascal, simply feared, which is his justification...
>>703674824
>Humans created God
>Without humans there is no God
That's pretty much proof right there. Of course people can keep making up bullshit loopholes to pretend this doesn't prove the lack of a God, but it's like the solipsists argument, you can't prove anything to someone so stubborn.
>>703674824
They don't believe there is a God. Technically I am an agnostic deist because I believe there is some deity but I don't know. Everyone is either gnostic or agnostic regardless of their religion. That is whether you know your belief is true. Being an agnostic anything is usually respectable. Being a gnostic means you are probably a fundamentalist or are just insane.
>>703681890
God creates dinosaurs. God destroys dinosaurs. God creates man. Man destroys God. Man creates dinosaurs.
>>703678092
> believing science is just flat out wrong.
+1 internet for THE most retarded line I've seen on /b/ thus far.
We've become intelligent enough to know these silly characters don't exist. If you believe in God, you're a hipster.
>>703678600
I don't have to prove anything, I have the right to believe in a god, just as much as you have the right to call me a retard for doing so.
>>703682032
>>703676971
I grew up in an awful religion that completely fucked up my childhood and has repercussions well into my adult life.
So there's that...
>>703674824
Huge bait thread...good job faggot
>>703677689
ok, there were thousands of miracles until they invented video recording and pictures then they just stopped when they could be proven. and people are naturally predisposed to believing in things that incrase their survival chances, and life after death is imortality.
ill finish with a quote "Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is not omnipotent.
Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.
Is he both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil?
Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God?”
>>703682274
he baited a discussion but what's wrong with that
if he is real, why are there so many different interpretations of him?
>>703682285
also if god is real then why do his closest followers fuck little boys. all info points to it being a global scam to get cash
>>703681279 something can be a fallacy and still be correct
I like how theists talk about "god" as he's a person that created universe. Bible basically says god is a "way of life" or god is "love" yet clueless and insecure people rely on the mighty god to have a safe future.
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>>703676971
>>703682565
Meh, I'm Satanist and so close to being a nihilist that I just accept everything as equaling we're all doomed one way or another, better to just laugh and try to enjoy our lives before it all comes crashing down
because if there is a God i'll get trips
>>703674824
You can be an agnostic atheist op. Meaning you don't believe in God but you don't know for sure.
>>703682818
top right, nigger
>>703681890
That's not proof and you know it.
>>703674824
Watch someone die of cancer and then tell me there is a benevolent creator. Religious fucks have ruined this planet.
>>703682833
my dick is god confirmed. I wank like its a way of life and I love my cock.
If your interpretation of god includes my cock you need to re think your interpretation
>>703682833
False. God talks to people and directly states intent before interacting with humans on some occasions. The Bible presents God as a being.
>>703678224
Faith is literally "to pretend to know something that you don't." Why pretend to know God exists?
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>>703682982
Atheism isn't about knowledge. It's about belief.
>>703682833
i like how theist pray and prate all day without even knowing what they actually belive in..
>Theist - claims there is a God
>Atheist - doesn't claim there is a God
>Anti-theist - claims there is no God
>Agnostic - claims we can't know if there is a God or not
this is how to use these words
>>703683041
Nice refutation.
>>703681279
slippery slope is poorly represented here, it suggests that arguing I should not pull a trigger because it will lead to a bullet in your face is "[shifting] attention to baseless extreme hypotheticals"
>>703682285
That's not empirical evidence.
>>703682578
Same reason there are so many interpretations of historical events. Same reason why there are so many different scientific theories. Same reason there are so many different models of the universe.
Because, God or no God, we see so very little of reality.
>>703674824
They don't, they just have no belief. See, you fundamentally misunderstand atheism, as do many of these neckbeard atheists who have hijacked the word. Atheism's rancor is mainly directed at organized religion, which is pretty obvious through even undergraduate-level study that all of organized religion is a load of horse shit just to keep people in line. But I digress.
Does god exist? Who the fuck knows? But I guarantee no religious leader, or practitioner of those religions knows either. They only know what their chosen man-made religion tells them, nothing more.
Honestly, many other people reject every religion but the one they were brought up on. Atheists just reject one more than those monotheists do.
>>703683229
its more about educated guessing. overwelming evidence points to there not being one
>>703682982 oh, well good.
>>703683365
good point. those driveby gangstas shouldn't have to worry about who is actually in the house right?
>>703683375
>asking for empirical evidence disproving something
>being this new
Because all books of religion has tonnes of holes. Believing in jesus is just as a gamble as allah or Zeus
>>703683261
You don't have to claim anything.
>Theist - believes/knows there is a God
>Atheist - believes/knows claim there is a God
>Anti-theist - believesknows there is no God
>Agnostic - doesn't know whether there is a God
>Gnostic knows their either is or isn't a God
So gnosticism is not a belief set it pertains to knowledge you can be a gnostic or agnostic atheist or follower of a religion
>>703683296
God could still exist without sentient beings to think of his existence. He even said this in his post and treated it as bullshit.
>>703683375
well no shit. he is invisible, cant be touched and doesnt do anything after cameras got invented. im not going to follow some cunt who essentially doesnt exist. and if he does is useless as fuck
we could discuss the existence of santa claus as well here... this shit is getting to stupid and its a waste of time. im out
>>703683713
there*
>>703683365
It states that Z is conjecture.
Your example is not conjecture.
>>703679833
Quality argument right here.
I know there is a god. Because something as great as pussy doesnt just happen from a big bang lol
>>703680494
>Meet your maker
The problem is that we as humans have this ability to sprinkle gold on top of shit to make it sparkle and seem inviting.
There is actually a video on youtube of a female brain surgeon that almost died and she recalls what happens before she was brought back to life.
She says that her "soul" (yet again a human made best described object associated with a false image), expanded and started mixing with the universe. Clearly there seems to be a system to what happens to one after death, however is that made by someone that a priest can speak to? Highly doubt that. It's just "there" and we can expect (if you look at the circle of life, planets, atoms etc) that we will be recycled but not the same.
>>703683445
In my opinion it doesn't point one way or the other.
>>703683713
nope, sorry idiot.
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
>>703676214
Thanks big babby
Before I go and this hits 404, here are some awesome Asian titties, yw, also I'm the Satanist
So bible says mankind was created by god. Today we know humans are evolved monkeys. Isnt that enough proof it's all bullshit?
>>703684158
Gnostic: of or relating to knowledge, especially esoteric mystical knowledge.
>>703684158
Why would you call someone who is much smarter than you an idiot?
>>703679833
It actually does imply that, which means you need to be more specific with your sentence.
>>703684359
>Today we know humans are evolved monkeys
You're just as wrong as the creationists. Learn about it before coming here spouting bullshit.
>>703684359
No no no... you see the niggers evolved from monkeys.. whites have been here and superior the whole time.
>>703679155
>74% of statistics are made up
>>703684461
because they're wrong and it's a funny thing to call people when they're wrong
>>703683829
It assumes that Z is always conjecture. If you read it without understanding the point of "slippery slope" you would take it to mean you can never argue A should not happen because it will lead to Z. I.e. consequences can never be considered.
Actually I've never been convinced that "slippery slope" is a thing. It's not wrong to argue A leads to Z, it's wrong to argue A leads to Z if it's incorrect. That's just applying an incorrect belief to an argument.
>>703684503
>Herp derp common primate ancestor.
Go fuck yourself you nit picking little bitch. You knew exactly what he meant. Stop trying to mentally jerk yourself off when you are not that smart.
>>703677555
Sorry, the Bible is apparently completely fake, you got trips
>>703677555
PREACH BROTHER! AMEN
>>703684586
Except I was right you moron.
And I got dubs. God you are a retard. Can't even read.
>>703684377
>>703674824
They don't. They're just bitter that they had a bad religious experience, so instead they completely rebel against the possibility of a higher power. Which is already an intellectually disingenuous argument, because you cannot measure a being/entity that exists on a plane other than a physical plane.....and where they able to measure such a deity, it would be a contradiction and false....so the whole argument for atheism is the lack of an ability to measure something which defies measurement; and they've built an anti-deity in the form a false philosophical construct.
>>703684823
except you aren't right, because i'm right and we're saying different things. if you want to be right, start saying the things i'm saying.
>>703674824
What god?
That's what a true atheist should say.
Like me. What fucking god?
only God I know of is in some story book made by some stinky men in a cave who most likely were starving to death and hallucinated while being pushed away from town to town about heir babbling bullshit till someone with money accepted them.
>>703684890
>parishners
>>703684997
Gnosticism or agnosticism pertain to knowledge you can be either and still be Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Atheist, Diest, Anti-theist whatever.
>>703674824
We don't know there is not a god, anyone who claims to be atheist is just as fucking retarded as religious people .
No proof for the existence of god means no god
No proof that god isn't real means god is real .
Fuck off , we should all be agnostic.
>>703684890
Wow you just tried to prove that there is god by using non sense words and terms created just to counter atheism. Lmao
>>703674824
Is that Joanna Jedrzejczyk?
>>703685241
>anyone who claims to believe santa doesn't exist is just as retarded as people who believe he is real
>>703685285
No, I just proved that the argument for atheism is bullshit, and you're too stupid to realize it.
>>703685241
Like I keep repeating you fucking dumb ass. Just because you are an atheist doesn't mean you claim to know their isn't a God.Atheism is about belief not knowledge,
>>703685210
i'm not even talking about gnosticism dummy
>>703685549
there*
>>703677106
>I don't know therefore God
>>703685637
If you really think that's what religious people believe, then you're dumber than you look.
>>703677824
Wow you are dumb
>>703685549
except for the fact that humankind has enough knowledge to make a call, and that call is 'probably no god(s)'.
yes, we "believe" there is no god(s), based on knowledge, not because of belief of non-existence.
>>703685547
>so the whole argument for atheism is the lack of an ability to measure something which defies measurement
>measure something which defies measurement
Nice proof kek
>>703685939
That really is the argument given by religious people time and time again.
It's not why they believe in their religion. They believe in religion for illogical emotional reasons they can't explain. But it's often an argument they use when they try to justify their beliefs. It's not uncommon to form emotional beliefs and try to apply logic to them afterwards
Has anyone ever witnessed a rock deciding to turn into a bird?
>>703686197
I saw ditto turn from geodude to pidgey once
>>703686073
I feel as though there may be a God and no one can disprove my feelings. Our science is so primitive compared to the science of 1000 or even a million years from now. We may be able to be "God's" ourselves and create a world through computer science or bioengineering. Perhaps the beings we created could be conscious and yet have no knowledge of our existence.
>>703685939
That's exactly what >>703677106 implies though.
>>703685549
That's what I was trying to say faggot.
Pardon me for drinking half a bottle of whiskey before posting and not getting my point across
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oh neat, this thread again.
>>703686395
perhaps we're all part of the dreams of a mite on the end of a giraffe's penis
>therefore I may as well believe it
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>>703686114
No atheism is just not believing in God. Get it through your thick skull. It's not measuring anything. If you ask someone: do you believe(notice I said believe not know) that there is a God or cosmic force that created, set in motion, or somehow helped to make our existence come about and they answer "no" then they are an atheist.
Hey guys it's me "God", you'll never figure it out because I don't want you to, so stop trying and just relax.
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>>703676108
Really atheism is blind faith? Even if I never knew about religion and was simply living my life?
>>703675338
I don't.
>>703674824
I don't care if there is or isn't. If there is then he/she is the evil thing, who allow so much death n suffering if it got the power to do whatever, why cause kids to get cancer etc
>>703686770
>>703674824
The burden of proof is on you guys.
>>703686567
It's just an idea. You aren't required to believe it. And I'm not saying I believe that but I do believe that is possible. Maybe you don't believe that is possible. That's okay. Learn to be open minded. Learn that there are ideas and beliefs other than your own. There are even atheists who believe in intelligent design. I'm not saying they're right but people have that belief system.
>>703686556
I like this image. It makes me sick when people think god is looking out for them, especially when it's something relatively mundane like a sporting achievement, but even when they survived something like a car crash. Why do they think they're so special? They're implying they're better or more worthy in God's eyes than all the people that die in car crashes or whatever situation they survived.
And it's just as bad when people imply they survived cancer or something because they fought hard. They're suggesting the people that died were just pussy quitters. Fuck off you arrogant cunts.
>>703686837
god was the simplest way early humans could describe how their world was created. And then people told stories around a camp fire. Then the idea spread all over the world. This is where what i like to call the"telephone game" begins. in the telephone game he first person in the line or circle whispers a word or phrase into the ear of the person sitting or standing to their right. The Game Continues. Players whisper the phrase to their neighbors until it reaches the last player in line. The last person then attempts to repeat the phrase only to find out the whole story has changed. So applying this to religion, the story of god got sent all arund the world an different variations of the story cropped up. Thats why you get similarities in religion. Take jesus and krishna for example , They both were called the son of god, both were sent to earth in the form of a man,Both were visited at birth by wise men and shepherds, guided by a star. i could go , there are a ton more similarities but you guys can look it up yourselves. To wrap it up god is basically a story
>>703686197
Anyone... ever? Or just among people you know, and people they know, and people they know... etc.
If you select anyone ever, then yes. It's trivial to prove that any configuration of sensory information exists over an infinite amount of time. If you haven't solved for this by now, go do it, it's interesting.
If we instead take the second interpretation of "anyone," meaning an extended network of people's accounts of reality, then reality is subjective, the only hard backup is people's stories to one another, and I would be willing to bet money that at least two humans on Earth have witnessed what they believe was a rock turning into a bird before.
Either way, the answer is emphatically "yes."
If you don't like that system of rigor, then the onus is on you to provide what you believe is an empirical test for that question. I mean, this is basically what Bohr and Einstein argued about for hours on end, back when they were alive and healthy enough to be arguing about where quantum physics ends, and existential philosophy begins.
>>703674824
Their "faith" in science?
>>703686950
How do religous people know there is a god?
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>>703686925
>Learn to be open minded.
>Learn that there are ideas and beliefs other than your own.
Don't give me this shit. Your argument could be applied to belief in anything just as easily
>omg you don't believe in the tooth fairy learn to be open minded
It's your belief in God that is close-minded. Why shouldn't it be the fucking tooth fairy that is real? I bet you don't believe in that, you close minded shit.
>>703687126
>>703674824
How do Christians know there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
>>703686972
t-that makes a lot of sense
>>703687181
hurdur
>>703676628
Divide the odds of there being a god by all of the gods whose religion exclusively states they exist as the only god.
>>703687230
How do Christians know there's no Flying Spaghetti Monster?
>>703686870
There is no burden of proof. They are allowed to believe whatever they would like to. Just like you are. You can give them all the evidence in the world. You have to want to change your beliefs. You can't be forced.
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>>703687160
I don't think that those ideas are akin to the tooth fairy though. If you're just an angry miserable person that doesn't exactly give atheism a good representation.
My invisible friend for grown-ups told me so.
>>703686837
Inductive reasoning is a valid investigative method, if you exhaustively check every possibility without bias. Those who deny inductive reasoning as a credible information gathering technique do science a disservice as a whole, and cripple their own minds in the process.
In other words, it is letting one's emotions get the best of them. (Letting the creationists sabotage one's method thinking, for emotional reasons, i.e. "I hate them, they're stupid, etc.") If you make a solemn vow to yourself to never attempt inductive reasoning, because ""it's something a creationist would do,"" then you've let the creationists win.
This is all that needs to be said.
>>703687437
>create people I know will sin because I'm omnipotent
>punish sinners
>>703687562
>>703687549
But that's only Epicurus's opinion. Maybe God's opinion is that human suffering isn't that big of a deal. Just like an ant's suffering isn't a big deal to us.
>>703687501
You don't believe they're akin because you're close-minded and find it easier to accept ideas your culture has ingrained into you than ones with an equal amount of proof that are considered ludicrous.
>>703676108
>blind faith
one is reading a fairy tale and believing everything it says, the other is making an assumption based on how far scientific research has gotten us so far
>>703687624
>>703687309
To prove something exists requires one measurable instance. To prove something does not exist requires you measure the universe. But as you slowly start at one point measuring the universe and expand outward, the more measured space without the existence of that thing statistically points to it not existing at all. Henceforth it is more likely that there is no god, unless you can catch him in a bottle and show him to me.
If the nature of such a being is immeasurable then we must assume it's impact on our reality is immeasurable and therefor it is a much less constrained way of living as to proceed as if there is no being.
>>703676724
Tits or GTFO.
QED
>>703677555
Legendary
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>>703687869
A lot of people on here saying that atheists claim there is no god, but really that's not true.
There is a difference in "believing there is no God" and "not believing in any God"
>>703677100
God says greentext.
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>>703687869
These are the only ways we'll be able to make them get it.
>>703675146
That's agnostic
>>703687957
>>703677555
Fuck yo trips nigger, and that trashy cum bucket...Amen
>>703687810
I have read into different religions. While I think many have good points and ideas I don't agree with them. I even strongly dislike them. Not because I care whether or not they are true but because I think they are evil and have evil things in their dogma, To me to be good is somewhat important. If God was an evil creature and we all knew it I would be less likely to worship him even if I knew that he was real.
>>703676628
Pascal's wager isn't proof, it's a gambler doubling down.
>>703677555
Terrified, mortified, petrified, stupefied…by you
>>703688179
>>703687886
They don't have to prove anything. They just believe it. I can believe in aliens or Sasquatch without any proof.
