i would like to bring something to your attention 4 chan i have found some evidence that 9/11 might be an inside job
i dont think you can disprove all this evidence
I really don't care.
>>703559418
So leave the thread.
I bet you spend all day saving tones of 9/11 memes.
http://www.datpiff.com/Tim-DeMarco-Jet-Fuel-Cant-Melt-My-Dreams-mixtape.803315.html
>>703559744
no actually a retard posted this on fb i found it hella funny especially the steel beams one
>>703559948
Oh okay, thanks for the thread. I enjoyed it :)
>>703559948
But it *can't* melt steal beams, anon.
post nice pic so i can post it on his fb
already posted jet fuel cant melt my dream
Friendly reminder that the only reason you believe these and other conspiracy theories is because you're incapable of critical thought and desperate for piece of mind that you are unmotivated to achieve and thus can only form opinions preconstucted by those who plainly entertain you.
>>703560811
Actually, I watched it happen. And I thought, the whole time, "this is physically impossible".
All of it. From the towers falling, building 7, the lack of intercept, on and on.
It's impossible. The laws of physics aren't a conspiracy, anon.
>>703560811
Most conspiracy theories are pure madness, but the motivation for this one makes sense. Think about the burning of the Reichstag.
>Also your grammar and punctuation is atrocious
>>703559145
Can someone explain the fibonacci sequence thing?
>>703560811
can you disprove all of this anon
>>703560811
Whatever you say, CIA.
>>703559211
Who the fuck is going to shoot down a plane over New York
>>703561742
that the point where were they
>>703561742
So the planes were hovering over highly populated centers the whole time?
What in the hell makes you think that?
And even if they were... considering the circumstances?
EVERYONE.
anyone got the picture with how muslim see us and how we see them ?
>>703559310
yet when i heat steel up to 1500 degrees it bends like a wet noodle
>>703562060
do you have proof mister
>>703561157
Did you see planes?
>>703562060
Actually, it doesn't and you know it. It's compromised, for sure, but nowhere near that much.
> I think you're talking out of your ass.
Even if it did.. how does that explain the entire building? You guys never seem to realize this.. what about the rest of the steel? The other 100 or so stories?
Was it superconducting steel, lol? Did the heat somehow travel dozens of stories up, and down.. before the impact site gave way?
If not, then how did it freefall? And how did all the steel melt? ALL of it?
Where is the massive pile of bent metal superstructure? Did you little spot of heat compromise all that?
It's impossible, anon.
>>703562473
he is right the only explanation is nano machine from the darpa or a new type of mega thermite
>>703562060
>>703562060
<iframe width="560" height="315" src="https://www.youtube.com/embed/FzF1KySHmUA" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
>>703562473
>>703562060
https://youtu.be/FzF1KySHmUA
>>703562761
But the jets hit the top.
If you watch the video, it doesn't fall from the top, the bottom goes first, where no plane hit.
Also WTC 7 is important to this.
I love a good conspiracy
>>703559145
What the fuck are you on about? 9/11 WASN'T an inside job!
The planes clearly came and hit the buildings from the OUTSIDE.
Idiot.
>>703559145
Oh my god, please educate yourself and move on.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
>>703563088
are you high? is it hit near the top, and even then, what is the top light as a feather?
it did not stat at the bottom dude, you can see it fails near where the plane hit, bringing the top crashing down
>>703563325
Fucking kek
ITT: People that were toddlers during 9/11
>>703562867
Someone explain this to me.
So 300F more would have turned the entire building into a hot, wet noodle?
If not, the how did the building freefall? How did all of the metal in the entire building show zero resistance?
The only way would be if ALL off the steel was heated, and it wasn't.
>>703562666
nano machine?
darpa?
mega thermite?
Where is the massive pile of bent/twisted/mangled steel superstructure?
>>703564836
the gubbament shipped it to china, but no bill of lading exists for this shipment.
>>703562049
There ya go /b/ro
What aren't they telling us about the 20 hijackers?
>>703565007
There was no pile. That's the point.
A giant steel skyscraper superstructure wouldn't turn to dust. It would twist, buckle, bend, etc.
There should have been a massive pile of twisted metal.
>>703562473
I've worked in the steel and concrete industries for years. Steel construction is absolute shit in fires. It's one of the weaknesses of steel is that when it gets hot it loses most of its structural integrity. That is one of the many reasons concrete construction has all but won out the construction market for decades now.
>>703563747
its called momentum, all that heavy weight was enough, and it wasnt freefall speed
>>703559211
A) they didn't scramble for hijackings back then
B) no confirmation of hijacking.
C) planes hit a few minutes apart, and after the first it was presumed an accident.
hindsight is 20/20
>This
>>703566540
This thread is being heavily shilled.
I wouldn't bother.
>>703559145
>They were vaporized
>No it wasn't, look at the pictures, it was bowing.
>ALMOST 11 seconds. The force of weight nullified the structure.. it pulverized.
>Debris were fucking everywhere.. found as far as central park.
>No reason to believe they were fake.
>The number of people required to install explosives and the amount necessary would be seen and would have taken weeks if not months.
>Concrete buildings penetrated by aluminum planes filled with fuel traveling at 350mph.
>...... ok this is a troll.
>>703567023
Fucking FBI, SJWs, and obedient sheep :l
>>703566468
WRONG
In 2001 67 aircraft were intercepted by fighters after losing radio contact or by straying off course. They were intercepted with 100% accuracy within just a few mins. Previous years had identical success rates. 4 failures all on one day within a couple hours. BS!
>>703567493
>Citation needed
>>703565897
Physics 101 dipshit
Do you even bro?
>>703565657
That's why no steel structure has collapsed due to fire before or after 911. EVER.
>>703565445
Fuck. I lost.
>>703566540
The steel is compromising.
The heat turned the steel maliable. (yes, a jet fuel fire+vibrations+impact friction will decrease the strength by orders of magnitude).
Beams and internal floors are buckling, red hot steel is scraping as the beams buckle. The way WTC was built had a matrix of structure in the middle the outside being the 'core' or main structural support. The insides are collapsing and the steel is spewing debris as it couples.
Watch this video of steel heated to temperatures lower than jetfuel burning being impacted. Imagine something that hot being slowly crushed and flattened. https://youtu.be/XTU0Z-FkhtU?t=8m16s
>>703567493
Evidence please. I highly doubt this.. esp when you consider the time between hijacking and impact.
>>703568276
You believe that?
Can you not see thermite reaction spouting up?
Can you not see liquid steel pouring out the side?
Can you not see that is the buckling point?
Can you not see the side panels where it is happening have been blown outwards from the ignition of the thermite?
Can you not see zionists pretending to be jews made that video?
I may aswell just say baa baa baa to you -.-
>>703561223
That's not really too spoopy when you realize that the towers had already been the subject of a terrorist attack less than 10 years before, i'd get insurance like that too given that info.
My question for you animals is why do you little shits sit there and no do anything against an obviously corrupt govt when you know you outnumber them 50-1 and why do you still pay tax to the Rothschild faimly because you're stupid or are you too lazy?
9/11 was a false flag, nothing more than Hollywood f/x with a live production of hired actors for all the world to see
>>703569199
What're you doing about it?
>>703567043
I seen a theory that the bombs were installed during the construction but that's pretty sketchy
Stuff I can't talk about on the Internet silly :P
>>703563925
Underrated
>>703568931
I see heated steel fragments falling in sparks like hot steel grinding against itself
I see fragments.. not liquid steel. Liquid steel flows and looks like water, not like sparks
I see a buckling point because i see a point of support between 2 holes that has been hit by a fucking airliner
I see something blown out from an explosion, and I know that thermite doesn't FUCKING EXPLODE.
>>703569510
nobody found thousands of bombs hidden in a building that has been occupied 24/7 to up to 20,000 people at a time for 30 fucking years.
loooool
>>703569574
The entire building was closed for two days and fully occupied by a govt staff a couple week prior to 9/11
>>703569707
there could be fucking bombs in a skyscraper and you would never know since no one takes out the walls and if I recall correctly they were in the beams themselves you'll never find them so hide your shit in the walls of a skyscraper or it's beams
The buildings where 110 stories high.
They stood there like with no sign of problems standing up for 30 minutes and 45 minutes after the supposed plane-crashes.
These 110 story buildings then suddenly came down in less then 10 seconds.
The official government story is that these buildings "collapsed". Try dropping a keychain or something on table and see how long it takes before it hits the floor. It will, as you can verify all by yourself, take a very long time since it will land on the table (meeting resistance from the table) and not hit the floor because the table is in the way.
It really takes a very weak mind and a serious lack of understanding of physics to believe the government propaganda on this one.
>>703568113
Not even remotely true. There have been steel buildings that have collapsed from fire. Those buildings didn't have jets crashed into them either.
Conspiracy fags always like to compare apples to oranges. I'm not saying there wasn't a conspiracy involved I'm saying that jet fuel can collapse a steel building it's completely possible. If you want to look for conspiracies I'd probably look in a different direction.
>>703569950
We're any of these examples on 110 storie buildings built to withstand a hit from an even bigger plane than the ones that hit it?
>>703569950
Did their steel beams turn to dust, lol?
>>703569824
you mean the power being shut off for a weekend on less than half of one of the buildings for a few for an internet upgrade?
How did they get it in the other building then?
>>703560811
Friendly reminder that people like Procopius and Niccolò Machiavelli explain conspiracies at levels well beyond your understanding. Read some history, young anon!
>>703562473
>Literally asking how it's possible for fire to spread
>>703562060
Funny, then, that the buildings did not bend over like wet noodles. That would have caused much more damage to the neighborhood!
>>703569857
Lol yes they do. Every time a section goes to another tenant or wants to change something they have to tear all that shit up.
I bet you live in the sticks and have never seen a building over 10 stories tall that's not a grain silo.
>>703569950
Prior to 9/11, show me one building thats reinforced concrete and steel, that collapsed from a standard fire.
>Pro tip: You can't.
>>703569950
Steel looses about half it's strength at 600° C (1,100° F).
Jet fuel can ideally burn up to 257° C (495° F).
Please tell us more about how you actually believe that jet fuel can make a steel building pulverize in ten seconds.
>>703571048
Show me a concrete building that was hit by an airplane that size, going that speed, with that much fuel and mass.
>Pro tip: You can't
all these special snowflakes keep focusing on fire.. missing the entire fact that they got virtually sliced in half by massive explosions.
WTC's main supports were on the outside and made of concrete. it had no structural core. An impact from the outside basically took out the supports.
>>703571439
Then it would have collapsed straight away.
>WTC support was concrete, forgot to say steel also.
>WTC support was only the sides that were hit.
>Baa.
>>703559145
Never forget....
>>703571734
How would it effect the lower floors in such away for them to collapse with no resistance?
I am with you.
> WTC's main supports were on the outside and made of concrete.
Why do you even bother shilling out lies like this one? Do you not realize that the people who read your garbage can easily verify that it actually had a mesh of beams on both the inside and the outside?
>>703570296
It's not an exact science, either way they both did withstand the impact. It was the subsequent fire that triggered the collapse. Learn to read retard.
>>703571786
This is some tin foil hat shit, without some credible sources, there's no way I can take this seriously.
>>703571439
You are so incompetent just lurk and don't reply to anything cuz you are too stupid.
FACT: WTC towers each had 47 columns in the center of the building that went from the bedrock to the top of the building.
so if you actually believe that there is a NWO and the Jews are behind everything, and that they would kill thousands of people to make money, why not just start killing Jewish politicians and leaders of media, negate some of their influence? I always hear you people talking about how you would die for what you believe in, some of you fucks want to kill yourselves anyways. It surely wouldn't be too hard to find out where they live.
Oh wait, none of you actually believe it when we get down to the core, that's why
>>703572088
Those support columns relied on the interior steel supports which were buckling, also many of them were compromised by the impact of a fucking plane.
>>703571786
3 seconds of searching shows most of these things are made up
>>703572504
Someone already tried that and he didn't win. At least not long term.
>>703572060
IIIFFF!!!!!! some steel beams were melted by airplane fuel... The sides that were affected would buckle, and the top would fall down at an angle. Most of the building below the impact would still be standing,albeit a bit twisted, but to just straight up fall down evenly on all sides, and on all three buildings following that pattern...
If the lower floors dominoed down, why would the steel structure follow suit?
>>703572504
It's edgy teens and nut jobs who honestly believe this shit, neither of those groups have the courage or means to do anything you mentioned. So they shitpost on 4chan instead
>>703572666
Nice satanic trips
>>703572441
The guy was on tape, caught admitting he told them when to PULL IT, ffs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq-0JIR38V0
It's astounding to me that people somehow make themselves believe this wasn't an inside job.
How is it possible?
>>703572569
Plane is a giant pepsi can of air and some airplane fuel.
>>703571786
Shocking that somebody would get insurance for a fucking skyscraper. I mean I have insurance for my shitty bungalow in the ghetto but that's only because I'm planning on hiring ISIS to crash a riding mower into it three times.
At the very least ya have to understand that if it was not controlled demolition then why didnt the collapse happen asymmetrically instead of nearly perfectly straight down?
>>703572937
did you watch any of the other 24 seconds of video
because they explain that pull it meant pull out the firefighters
just watch it again with that in mind
>>703573167
>This!
>Plus on three buildings!
![burning2[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/B27x6Y7.jpg "burning2[1].jpg")
>>703571402
so lets do some common sense math.
Lets say each beam was built so that the weight it holds is about 80% of it's maximum strength. All the support was on those white beams on the outside
In wtc2, one whole side was severed, and half of the north and south sides were cut.. leaving literally only half the support. is left
Now the remaining beams have about 160% their maximum load.. shit is gonna fall if it's not fixed fast.
Jetfuel burns from between 260-1500C.. it was The fire was internal so the heat radiated off itself, but the real heat was the initial explosion since most had burned off before collapse. The temps of the beams prob hit from 400-800 around that point point of explosion but only briefly.. lets be conservative and say it was only partially effective, weakning the steal by 25%. Since now it has that additional load, it multiplies to almost 200% maximum load per beam.
now consider the fact that there was a shock from explosion which caused microfractures, further compromising the support (since a lot of the mass was supported by concrete which is brittle) and the tearing which created extreme friction temprature.. (ever bent metal and felt how hot it was? imagine something that big bending that much that fast).
All the factors brah.
It makes more sense than thermite.
>>703573281
Say 'get the firefighters out' then, not 'pull it'.
>>703572963
Yeah a hundred ton Pepsi can traveling at high speed. Great analogy there Newton.
>>703573468
i'd tell him that, but I think it's a little late
>>703573281
Jesus. There really are people as stupid as you.
>>703572963
Regardless of material, that's almost 400,000 lbs traveling at around 500mph. Not including weight of luggage and passengers. That sort of mass and that velocity would cause catastrophic failure in literally any structure, regardless of building material.
>>703562867
You guys are so retarded.
This is obviously a zionist shill.
he even has an israeli accent. listen carefully.
>>703573405
As soon as them planes hit, the jet fuel was vapourised. The planes are a giant aluminium can of air themselves. The only fires really left are lots of office fires.
>Brah.
>>703572455
The central core was to support service elevators, the roof, and hold the thing together laterally. It was structurally independent from the floors whose main support was the outer 'tube'
Unlike most buildings, WTC's cores were not designed to hold up the mass of the building
>>703573733
and yet, they collapse conveniently straight down. all three. even the one not hit, at all, by a plane.
>>703573733
Cool wat about bldg 7
>>703570694
Yes. But why only people without any engineering skills say that the buildings react wrong? Oh, and not a single. physicist said, that these buildings collapsed "wrong". Why only Dump people say this? ShallI tell you? The real conspirators plant this Idiot shit in the mind of dumb people, to make every conspirationtheory look to intelligent people like dumb shit.
Everyone who spread this dumb shit is either a complete Idiot or a part of the conspiracy!
>>703571402
I know this for a fact. I sell steel every day. I know that a normal fire just a regular building fire will destroy steel construction. Steel has to be coated in insulation to protect it from fire but even so in the event of a fire most of it is still going to have to be replaced. If you are building in an arid area or are building a structure that would have a high risk of fire you are better off building with reinforced concrete. In fact concrete construction has beaten steel construction in almost every part of the US today.
You can go anywhere and read about how shit steel construction is against fire.
That is what I know. All the rest of that shit you asked is up to other people to argue about because it falls outside the realm of my expertise.
>>703573853
>The fire was internal so the heat radiated off itself, but the real heat was the initial explosion since most had burned off before collapse. The temps of the beams prob hit from 400-800 around that point point of explosion but only briefly.. lets be conservative and say it was only partially effective, weakening the steal by 25%
>>703573670
oh shit
you got me
i got nothing going on, explain why someone who fooled 99.999% of the american populous and got billions out of it, AND was on an interview, not just in the middle of a conversation, didn't think twice about talking about how he told when to destroy the buildings
>>703559145
>>703573853
>>703573958
>>703574025
>ITT edgy autistic neckbeard faggots that are on the verge of killing themselves
Just do it faggots. Don't joke about that shit, you autistic faggots. Fucking die.
>>703573405
Its not the jet fuel burning that fucked the steel, its the burning high grade aluminium of the plane that acts like thermite in something like this.
>>703574062
>>703574025
That's not the argument I was making you aspie fucks. I'm not defending either side of the argument, I was just pointing out how dumb that anons post was
>>703573733
Two sand niggers with box knives overpower 300 passengers and staff and accurately fly a plane faster and more accurately that it is designed to, into a building, whilst no one called the authorities for air defence to intercept.
How come all this jet fuel and vibrations and 1 billion tonne plane only cause a missile size hole in the pentagon with no plane debris?
>>703574145
as if you've never done something even dumber, under unbelievably less stress.
like, a cute girl saying "hi", lol.
you forget they're human, anon.
you should pay attention to their imperfections, instead of denying them to remain in your whittle bubble of swafety.
>>703573468
Why? So retards like you don't get confused? Do you complain when firemen say 10-4 on the radio instead of OK, I, a fireman, understood you, also a fireman, asking me to leave the burning building which we are currently inside?
the earth is flat too. also the holocaust never happened. and every president is indoctrinated into the Illuminati. also 4chan is run by the NSA
>>703574445
hey man
that was rude
>>703568276
This is utter horseshit too, the outside wasn't the "core" structure. There were 47 core columns that were 36"x16" and were 5 inches thick at the base and slowly tapered to a thinner wall thickness towards the top. They were made by an outfit in Japan as they were the only ones with the tooling to make such things.
Strangely finding accurate prints of the building is impossible.
There so no fucking way these columns just failed.
>>703574270
Very well placed high grade aluminium ;)
>>703574378
I said nothing about the pentagon or the means of the high jacking, only about the weight and speed of the planes and what that would do to a structure, regardless of the material. Strawman just a little bit harder next time and you might get me.
>>703574858
It still stands for answer
>>703573958
Ok fine. Why didn't the buildings fall towards the side they were hit? Why didn't the tower that was hit lower fall right away? It had more weight to bear than the other. How come it took 45mims plus to collapse? How come fireman in one tower claimed they could put the fires out with only a few lines? "isolated pockets" exact words from radio transmission. How come dozens of eyewitnesses including firemen claim they heard explosions like in a controlled demo. They would know cuz when a controlled demo takes place emergency services are on site in case of a fuck up. If just one or two of these coincidences was present I might be on your side. But when you add this stuff and other coincidences too numerous to list here. I call bs.
>>703574193
>implying he knows what is behind a computer screen
lol, fgt, you should fuck off back 2reddit
>>703574681
Hmm, you just might be right. In fact the only way I could imagine columns like that failing is if they were hit by a hundred ton object traveling at high speeds that started a fire weakening internal supports.
>>703562666
troll
>>703563325
9-1-1 is an INSIDE job. You wouldn't be able to hear the fucking phones with all the noise OUTSIDE.
>>703575059
And that's an answer I don't have, because don't know, I can't explain either of those. I never said I wasn't skeptical. WTC 7, the pentagon, the means of the hijackings, all of that is shady as fuck.
>>703569947
What? Are you saying a keychain has enough weight to collapse a table. Man... What?
>>703575122
Meh, they were guys in a collapsing skyscraper. Lots of new sounds and misinterpretations. Despite what the propaganda machine would have you believe firemen aren't exactly the brightest group of people. They're like cops who don't want to do much thinking.
>>703559310
Asshole. Every building with steel beams that burns is left a pile of twisted metal. Two story building made with steel beams burn and it's enough to melt and twist the beams.
You moron. You goddamned fucking moron.
>>703561157
You're an idiot
>>703563384
i read that, its bullshit jajajaja just the first explanation is total bullshit
>The NIST investigation revealed that plane debris sliced through the utility shafts at the North Tower's core, creating a conduit for burning jet fuel—and fiery destruction throughout the building.
HAHAHA ARE YOU FUCKING JOKING??
>>703569947
It key chain was traveling at around 500 mph, I'm going to guess it would cause some pretty significant damage, even more so if the key chain caught the table on fire in the aftermath of the impact. Shitpost softer lad.
>>703575587
He seems to think that if they didn't collapse immediately they never would. Which just shows how retarded he is to not know the primary theory is the fire weakened the structural supports to the point of collapse, which took some time. I mean, believe the theory or not you should at least know about it if you're going to be a retarded troofer.
>>703571402
Take it from a blacksmith... We don't hear shit to melt, just to be malleable. That's where the weakness is.
I mean, unless swords and knives are a conspiracy too. In which case, I'm living a government lie
>>703575644
So firemen know less about fighting fires than you. Cuz it sounds like that is what you're saying.
![south-wtc-collapse-by-ap-amy-sancettajpg-f175d8e6007bc184[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/606eXWD.jpg "south-wtc-collapse-by-ap-amy-sancettajpg-f175d8e6007bc184[1].jpg")
>>703575122
>Ok fine. Why didn't the buildings fall towards the side they were hit?
Ummmmm
They did. The thing is the amount of force directed downward caused it to collapse, and the resistance was smaller compared to the falling mass as it went, so it never toppled.
Remember, for something to 'tip over" as it falls, it requires the thing it's hitting to be able to not buckle when faced with that amount of mass traveling at that velocity, providing so much resistance that not only is the directional weight supported, but it re-directs it's vector. The larger the mass of the object, the more work required to redirect.
The sounds of explosions were the floors inside collapsing.. the floors were rings inside a tube around the service core.. they started to fall. you can see in the other tower's collapse (which was more due to siesmic damage than anything else), the walls at the top of the collapse cave in as if being finally pulled down by the floors below. It's also why you see smoke shoot out.. those floors had already collapsed, the structure on the outside was just still standing.
>>703571402
Implying that you only need to lose half of strength before bad shit happens.
>half
>ever bend a paper clip?
>>703569947
Are you honestly this fucking retarded? Oh, wait. You're a conspiratard. Yes, you are.
>>703575413
The whole lot is shadey, Silverstein, no interceptots, WTC7, planes reported landing safely then airport data changed, 2.3tril dollars missing on sep10, false flag war afterwards, rothschild owned banks now in lybia afghan, iran, iraq, soon cuba, enron and fbi files in wtc, bin laden 'thrown in the sea', sand niggers with box knives, no black boxes recovered, passports recovered, airplane engine in new york off a cargo version of the plane, etc
The term conspiracy theory is just that, a theory... until evidence is added, then it is a conspiracy. Add all of the afore mentioned into one huge picture and what does it look like.
>>703576262
Sure, why not, faggot?
>>703572060
Many many 1000s of pounds pushing down on it? Gravity? Pressure. Ever use a hammer?
>>703575141
They hold a vertical load, below the impact zone they just didn't magically become weaker. The only way it could have fallen that fast was if these cores were compromised below the impact zone. They didn't just magically not be able to hold the fucking building up anymore. Fuck off shill.
this is not a facebook post
dear god
>>703565604
>no pile
>literally hundreds of photographs of the giant pile of rubble extant
Are you done being stupid for your friends, anon? It is a school night.
>>703576652
They do if they suddenly are forced to support the entire building as interior supports are weakened by fire and have already been compromised by an impact. Never done any sort of construction in your life huh? Hit something with a sledge and the whole thing us weakened, not just the chunk you took out. It's called stress.
>>703560811
Never forget bait edition 2k12
>>703576294
just a bunch of bullshit from a wanna be know it all, sorry mate, you trying to appear intelligent just makes people think is all crap
why dont you try to explain it simply, because you cant, because is bullshit
>>703562867
>plane crashes and leaves a pool of fuel, it didnt scattered all over the place like any other fluid would when the container breaks appart.
>ignites uncontrollable and this time decides to slowly burn in order to transfer enough heat to raise the temperature of some beams up to 400x4 F
i honestly want to know what are the chances of this????
any actual engineer fag here?
>>703576440
Add all that together and it looks pretty cut and dry. My original argument was against the anon who implied that because planes are made of aluminum, it means they're just flying soda can. He was making a retarded argument that because it was made of aluminum, it couldn't cause structurally compromising damage to a steel structure. I agree with a lot of the conspiracy, but I have to disagree when people make dumb arguments.
>>703574378
Missile sized = pretty fucking big. We don't make missiles to do little damage...
>>703569510
Yeah which they missed during the investigation of the first WTC bombing in what, 1991?
I'm so tired of these fucking teenagers who saw loose change and zeitgeist, I really thought this shit was on its way out
>>703562043
believe it or not most people are not psychopaths, a non-zero number of people would hesitate to shoot down an airplane filled with civilians even given the circumstances
Everyone also seems to forget that steel is a great conductor of heat. A steel framed building is made up of thousands of interconnected steel beams. Would there not be heat transferred throughout the entire steel structure almost like the cooling fins of a heatsink. I mean wouldn't that allow for a higher heat absorption, dissipation rate?
>>703577113
Big thing hit bigger thing and start fire. Fire weaken bigger thing skellington. Bigger thing fall near fire, weight of bigger thing make fall go straight down. Fall make big noise sound like other big noise stupid fire guy make mistake.
>>703577113
>I can't understand what you're saying so obviously you're wrong, otherwise it would make sense to me.
>>703577072
I build steel structures 50 hours a week. I just made an 11 story tower in sections that I will be assembling in the field over the next two weeks. A fire on its 9th floor will not cause the whole fucking tower to collapse even if I cut a side out of the 9th floor. Ever heard of a thing called safety factor? Shit is over engineered and built, and never operates anywhere near its full load capability.
And your stress hammer argument is about the dumbest shit I've ever heard. Never done any sort of hammer swinging in your life huh?
>>703577113
HUR DUR
IT WAS HEAVY SO IT FELL STRAIT YEEHAW
THEM INSIDES WERE CAVEN IN ON 'EM SELVES SO U SEE 'EM GOIN SPLAT BEFORE THE REST CAME DOWN
still waiting for this "evidence" ...
>>703577602
Windy day was it? Seemed so to me. Wouldnt the whole steel structure of the building act as a heat sink to dissipate most of the heat from all them office fires?
>>703577602
Are you asking a question here? Because nobody has the answer on a random thread on /b/ you fucking retard.
>>703576545
>how did that nail go through this piece of wood that if I just put it on it, it does nothing. But if I put a lot of pressure on it, it does?
I know. The conspiracy!
>>703578022
True Dat shit. WTC over built by a factor of 20. Meaning the structure could handle 20 times what it had to before failure. WTF
>>703578022
What are you, a 14 year old pretending to have a shitty job?
does anyone not ever think about the electrical in the building? if the plane hit a main artery of electrical feed for the building and was grounding on the building couldnt this have caused some serious issues with heating the metal inside?
If all buildings are made of steel supports, and office fires liquify steel supports, would it not be wise to make buildings from something stronger than steel?
I say office fires, as the smoke was black and practically all the jet fuel was vapourized on impact.
thats Deplorable!!!
>>703567493
And how many weren't? Even if your stats are true, saying that 100% of planes intercepted were intercepted is ridiculous.
>>703578022
But the issue with your shit is that it wasn't 2 stories above the impact site, it was 15 and 26 , also, it wasn't just a fire, people seem to forget that a fucking plane hit the building. See >>703573733
>>703578262
What did I sat that pissed you off. I'm sorry your father always fucked you from behind. But at least he didn't make you wear a wig pretend you were his mommy....oh wait he did. Go fuck yourself
>>703578022
You might actually be retarded. "Cutting a hole" isn't the same thing as a fucking 200,000 lb+ airliner going 200mph+ punching a hole into a building. I'm sure that would completely fuck up your "safety factor"
>>703578790
Thick steel reinforced concrete vs aluminium airbag... fight!
>>703578673
Concrete construction is favored over steel, and when steel is used much better fireproofing systems are implemented. WTC had fucking sprinklers and drywall.
>>703561076
have you ever seen the pictures of the south side of the building before collapse? Remember this had a 200,000 ton building fall on it's one side.
>>703570975
It couldn't have, WTC2 for example had roughly 60,000 tons above it's failure point. There was simply too much inertia in the X/Y planes (if observing from above) to allow it to fall over sideways without an incredible force pushing a direction on it.
someone find that video/pic of the "fake" plane that hits.
1. it's gray and has no markings at all like a commercial airplane
2. it has a strange object on its bottom right that resembles some sort of compartment--kinda looks like a missile but isn't--that you see on military planes.
that was NOT a commercial plane with average people on it. it was probably a full-size drone. also, that video focuses on how it seems that something seems to hit the building right before the plane does, as if it fired something at it.
>>703578987
Kek. What a retard.
>>703578822
Sorry kid, not interested in your erotic fantasy fiction. But hey, whatever gets you off.
The freefall speed of a 1340ft (409m) tower is 9.136 seconds.
409m-(9.8m/ss)/2*xx = 0
9.13s < x < 9.14s
>>703579028
Some other sheep said the plane was going 500 mph and that it weighed 500000 lbs
>>703579054
>400,000 lbs of aluminum
I can't tell if you're seriously this retarded or you're baiting me, either way, Kys
>>703577602
Yes and no. It does conduct heat but its not a great conductor of heat. Imagine a 1/2" solid steel rod that is 2' long heated red hot on one end, you could hold the opposite end with a bare hand. The same rod made out of aluminum would be too hot to touch anywhere because it conducts heat much more efficiently.
The more mass the steel has the more energy it takes to heat up. A cold or windy day would take more energy to heat up the steel than a hot calm day. Does it play into this? Probably not. Is all the beam latticework a giant heatsink? Yeah it is.
Did they recover any bodies/skellingtons of the passengers in the plane?
>>703578108
>>703577983
>>703577864
steel beams bend pretty easily this days, look at building 7, in didnt even had jet fuel,,,office furnature now a days burns really really hot, i dont know why cant we just burn some chairs in the engine of a rocket, its better than kerosene
>>703579345
200k 400k 500k lbs, how heavy was that cargo pain that was painted to look like a passenger plane?
>>703579219
Inb4 invention of HD video and even 720p...
>>703579537
I blame ikea
>>703579607
>Strawmanning this hard
>>703579219
Inb4 drones even a thing
>>703563925
It's a stealth weapon
>>703579607
Heavier than a Pepsi can is the point. Once you get over a hundred tons nobody really gives a shit.
>>703579833
So tell me... i get different stories from different sheep!
>>703576440
I think WTC7 is the biggest story that people rarely mentioned. Never hit by a plane and it just collapsed?
Shady as hell.
What everybody also seems to be forgeting is that all of the steel beams were coated in a heat resistant asbestos that would enable the steal to withstand 10000 degrees Fahrenheit
The ability to weigh both sides of an argument objectively is difficult. However, rejecting any opposing view without investigation is clearly for the lowest level of intelligences. Goodnight
>>703559145
Cognitive dissonance explains the massive denial of this obvious and harsh truth.
>>703579516
In that kind of heat and instant explosive force... How could you expect them too? Plus all the weight of the building mangling human flesh into the tiniest of pulp... They didn't find much of anything besides concrete and massive debris.
Imagine putting an ant in a bonfire then dropping a normal sized house on top of it. Good luck finding the ant.
>>703580073
I think every single thing related to it as one whole story and the reasons why is the shady part.
>>703578022
>>703578381
I have a book that quotes other designers saying "It's a nice building, but I wouldn't want to be in it if someone wound up and gave it a good kick".
The WTC had a sway problem when it was first built. It would sway upwards of 40 feet on each side in high wind. It's problem was so severe they had to retrofit some sections for fear of damage the the building caused by THE WIND. There were some who thought a northern landing hurricane could potentially bring down the towers.
>>703579516
They didnt recover so much as a black box, but managed to get the sand niggers passports :l
>Planes vapoirise
>Passports survive
Op pic says gold was stolen so linky linky
Even if 9/11 was an inside job. What the fuck are you doing about it? Just bitch on /b/ for the rest of your life.
Shut up, or do something of real value.
>>703579956
>le sheeple meem
You making an argument on a totally different topic. I'm stating this>>703573733
And you turn it around and say
>b-b-but how do you explain [insert conspiracy here]
Cargo plane, passenger plane, giant drone, whatever.
>big heavy object hits giant heavy object
>giant object becomes unstable and structurally compromised
The material doesn't make much of a difference when we're talking that much mass moving at that speed.
>>703578790
to scale its irrelevant. Would it have made you happier if I had said the 8th floor?
For humor say I cut half the supports and columns on the 5th floor, and the 6 floors above it do collapse, floors 1-5 just magically come apart too? Or the fire above them weakened them? Fire travels downhill? What?
>>703580183
Asbestos... Rated to 200 degrees... Where the fuck do you get 10000? That's fucking insane high.
>>703574378
most hijackings do involve crashing in to anything and in fact most people survive
Nothing suspicious here.
>>703580661
Except that's not true. No passports were ever discovered.
>>703580797
Because you only focus on one part, the rest of the story thats not talked about doesnt add to it?
>>703580848
>implying fire cannot go down hill? What?
>>703574378
>with no plane debris?
Nigger, I saw the plane debris. This is a flat lie.
>>703580848
Up and down. It's fire.
Ever light a match? It doesn't only bunt. UP.... Retard.
>>703579240
I fucking love 4chan.
A lot of scary, weird things happened on that day. It was the biggest architectural event in history; a steel skyscraper being demolished in this way had never happened before. We don't have all the answers, but that shouldn't mean we should make stuff up or point a finger just for our own sense of peace and satisfaction. Let's stop quarreling over small details and realize we don't have all the answers.
>>703581156
My attic is on fire... Meh... The house will be fine. Fire only burns up.
What the fuck is anyone going to do about it? Everyone knows about the NWO but we're just going to fucking accept it. In fact we will love it
>>703580851
200 degrees. Lol Idiot. Paper burns at 451 degrees. So you're saying that a fireproofing material used for half a century is less fire resistant than paper?
>>703581090
Because you're making retarded arguments. The some aspects cannot be explained the way the official story said it was, that's doesn't mean EVERY aspect of the situation is that way.
>>703581082
Wrong. An fbi agent found a hijackers passport on the ground near ground zero. That's a fact. Bitch
dafuq did I just read?
>>703581663
Source?
Can the fuck anyone tells if there was real terrorist attack or was murica bulshit? so easy, yes or no.
>>703581750
911 commission report
>>703581082
http://www.takeourworldback.com/911/911passport.htm
the one passport was found in luggage that never made it onto a plane that hit the wtc, according to the 911 comission, so how did a guy without a passport in his hand make it through security?
the second passport was found on the street and handed in to police within hours according to the same comission report but fbi wont release the name. why wont you release the name mr fbi?
>>703580848
>Fire doesn't spread in which ever direction there's more fuel to burn
K
we are talking on a scale 100x bigger than your example. try to keep up.
>>703581663
And they found papers ejected from the floors on fire too. Crazy how physics works. Crazy how a car can catch fire in a horrible accident but things might be elected from force...
>>703581970
Pretty easily, we didn't give two fucks before 911, especially domestic flights. Barely needed any ID
>>703581750
>>703581970
Source
>>703582077
Since when do people vote for car crashes?
>>703581892
Which you've obviously read and aren't just quoting internet garbage.
>>703579537
>implying fire has to be hot to make steel bend
>implying people used arc torches and kerosene to forge swords in the middle ages instead of just hot coals.
>>703582171
>>703582077
Why passports not vapourize but black boxes do?
>>703582274
Since when do people vote for terrorist plane crashes?
No ser. I just looked at the pitchers cuz I don't know mi letterz
>>703559145
>>703582452
Your sperg is showing
>>703582376
Black box didn't vaporize, nor did much of the structure of the plane. All ended up inside then mangled beyond belief from weight of building.
Put a computer in that collapsing structure and tell me you expect it to be 100% ok by the time all that shit lands on top of it...
>>703580848
This retard still pretending to know what he's talking about? Ha, yeah, I'm sure you spend all your free time test demolishing the buildings you hang drywall on.
>>703582274
I didn't know that was an option! I'd vote for car crashes.
What the fuck reply is this? Do you listen to yourself? What does that even mean?
Why didn't they rescue people through the roof with helicopters?
>>703559145
Ok piece by piece:
Missing CVR and FDR do happen, usually when it's unlikely to be found in a very large search area. Like over 1 million tons of debris.
Building 7 was missing a large part of its South side.
Your timing numbers are inaccurate, I'm sure I won't be able to convince a tin foil hatter of this though so I'll leave it at that.
There were some plane debris found, but you would not expect to find the majority of the plane anyways, remember it was sitting in over 1 million tons of debris.
There were media cuts of footage clipped in odd ways, but this happens literally every time there's a large breaking news event. They need to get their into to air right then, they're going to use what they have and clip it together, sometimes in incorrect order to be the first ones to air.
There was no thermite, what was found was residual rust and magnesium which you would expect to find in an iron that's welded together.
The towers were built to be as light as possible, the exterior is mostly glass with cosmetic steel supports. All load bearing beams were on the interior core, you would expect the plane to penetrate the one side and even pieces and fuel to work around the core and shoot out the other assuming it is originally going fast enough.
Latereus
Black and white are, all I see, In my infancy.....
Stolen is a strong word there, NYC was locked down pretty hard, leaving the city island with tons of gold would have been hard for someone to do, most likely it was simply lost.
There's always short sales going on, like literally all the time, and not statistically higher than normal here.
So did about a thousand other people, are you saying they all knew?
Hahaha, so he orchestrated the most complicated attack in history without a hitch, then did the shittiest job ever with the followup.
404 in 5
>>703565604
>http://www.popularmechanics.com/military/a6384/debunking-911-myths-world-trade-center/
There WAS a massive pile you dipshit, it took years to cart it away.
First off the place that hit the towers were roughly 350,000lbs at takeoff not accounting for the roughly 30,000lbs of passages and luggage food and whatever other bullshit, by the time they made it to new York they wouldve been closer to about 270,00 to 300,000 lbs and we're traveling rough 300 mph. Now whether thats steel aluminium copper plastic or foam anything traveling at that speed with that much weight will do serious structural damage to any type of building, another thing people don't realize is that the plane that hit the north tower was a 767-200ER, ER standing for extra range, it had a secondary fuel tank that ran down the center of the fuselage not only adding more weight but extra fuel. Now to the people who say the fuel vaporized upon impact how? I'd believe that it exploded perhaps but I highly doubt that all of it burned off right away and newflash people liquid fuel doesn't burn on the vapor off it does so if any liquid fuel was left which there likely was at least some it could maintain a relatively hot fire for upwards of 20 min or longer, more than long enough to potentially comprimise said steel beams
>>703565604
Yeah. There was no debris at all. It just vanished. Poof.
>>703559145
No building demolition has ever been conducted that involves starting the chain on a middle floor. The reaction is too complicated to contain, even before you fly a plane into it.
You want me to believe the US government did something NEVER ATTEMPTED before, and got it right, 3 times on one day?
>>703559211
>>703567493
Only 1 time in the decade before 9/11/01 was this done for a civilian plane, all 67 referred to were ADIZ intercepts off-shore.
>>703580316
I think that's your problem.
I have never had to say "probably" or "what if" that is all the conspericy theorists. All I have to say is "these are the facts. this is the science"
No need to speculate about complete unknowns, no need to make up more extra stories to rationalize the holes in my argument.(all the steel buildings that collapsed to fire are a conspiracy. All the photos of the plane that show any detail are faked. All those bush security people who died never really did die. )
Facts, evidence, and common sense, reconciling contradictions, finding a parsimonious solution.
You are the one who is strapped to bullshit all because the world it to boring for you and you get off to imagining you are "one of the few special snowflakes who know the truth!!!!! SOMETHING BIGGER IS GOING ON MMMAAAAAN"
>>703559145
>i have found some evidence that 9/11 might be an inside job
kek
>>703583440
anon just really wants to admit the Jews did it and they each put a speck of dust in their Hassidic beards and calmly walked away with the WTC.
>>703559145
>>703559145
some people live in their hollow shell like the US is so great they could never be attacked by the middle eat that we have been fucking with for ouver 50 years...
What about the impact of the bomb strapped to sand nigger in plane ?
>>703582899
Um helicopters can't fly that high
>>703585405
Wat?
>>703585405
Actually kek'd
so ok .. it melted the steel beams in the core, but at the height the planes hit the tower why wont JUST from part of impact and upwards just fall off ??? how can the ENTIRE building freefall like this? ... -___- and did a plane it wtc 7? wtf brought that down??
>>703582906
>you would not expect to find the majority of the plane
>it was sitting in over 1 million tons of debris
Yet a hijacker's passport magically survives the destruction.
>The towers were built to be as light as possible
Also expressly built to withstand plane impacts and were completely swimming in asbestos.
>most likely it was simply lost
Not one trace of the gold was found, yet telephones, watches, chairs, etc were.
>>703585968
>Also expressly built to withstand plane impacts and were completely swimming in asbestos.
Citation?
>>703586286
http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19930227&slug=1687698
>>703581970
Why would you need a passport to travel within the same country?
Too poor to be in that area or building so I consider myself lucky. But smart enough to know that the government when given the opportunity will monopolize violence and fear for their benefit.
Well I'm pretty much anti-conspiracy these days but tbh there was an actual article in the EuroPhysicsNews journal that the WTC was indeed blown up and that the aircrafts didn't do the damage that made it collapse.
EuroPhysicsNews IS renowned and it was posted in the STERN, german mainstream media.
Not saying it was an inside job but it was indeed different than told.
>>703575174
What phones?
I don't care if jet fuel can or can't melt steel beams. The plane impact alone wouldn't have compromised the structural integregity of the building. And in addition, the nist report itself doesn't report any temperatures high enough to create molten metal or even high enough to weaken the beams to the point of a global collapse.
