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nah
Nah
Hello. I am a liberal who believes in strict gun control.
hello, I am a liberal who doesn't believe gun control will change anything
Spiderman thread!
No actually I am a liberal, as stated, who believes in the strictest of gun control, and that it will in fact transform society in an incredibly positive way.
>>703360151
nah
>>703360151
fuck off faggot
>>703359705
no cable mate.
>>703359705
fuck off faggot
>tfw op is gonna shoot up school on a Saturday
Ban guns you stupid capitalist shits.
>>703360613
Google: Hillary Clinton Body Count
>>703360803
Liberal here. We are. All it would take is a Supreme Court decision to make Army and Law Enforcement the principle bearers of weaponry. And we're halfway there now.
>>703359705
Why? No cable
>>703360930
>Google:
the cry of the faggot who can't prove his stupid conspiracy theories
Why CNN?
Its a non stop infomercial for Hillary and us government propaganda
>>703360177
Yes if guns are illegal then the criminals will think twice before breaking the law to buy a gun before they commit murder. And mentally ill will not want to do insane things with a gun bc they will maybe get a ticket when they shoot ppl and then themselves bc the gun they use was illegal.
>>703361057
give Larry the Cable Guy a call
>>703361127
Banning guns would mean this country would also stop manufacturing weapons, so no. There would be far less if zero gun violence through a total ban.
>>703361117
Because it will help Trump win.
>>703359705
*yawn* you're boring OP.
>>703361030
Because the supreme Court can ammend the constitution.
>>703361117
TRUMPS VILE COMMENTS PRIASING THE DICTATER PUTIN DISQUALIFY HIM FROM PRESIDENT, ALONG WITH BEING A WHITE MAIL RACIST SEXIST XENIST ANTISEMITIC KKK BIGGET
>>703361258
i think i found the retard
Watching CNN. It'll hit 15 minutes during a commercial. Is that what you wanted?
>>703361258
Banning drugs stopped manufacturing drugs.
>>703361382
No, but they can interpret the 2nd Amendment to mean "militia" in a literal sense. We don't have to "amend" anything. The power is already there for government to take weapons out of the hands of potential war lords.
>>703361469
Actually no. It's retarded to think you have an absolute right to kill others.
>>703361030
Then the next battle, swimming pools. They kill more people every year in the US then guns. So maybe we should have banned swimming first.
>>703361606
i'll kill anyone i want
>>703361553
Drugs aren't guns. Neither are cars. Because that's probably where you were going next.
Gun nuts always try to bring up false analogies instead of talking about the actual topic.
>>703361563
The power is there for government to take weapons out of the hands of citizens. I don't think you really understand what the Constitution actually does.
Pls kys at the end op. And dont be a fagg
>>703361711
Swimming pools aren't guns, either anon.
Nobody has a collection of deadly swimming pools. You gun nuts are so morally bankrupt, no wonder you let the NRA speak for you.
>>703361730
Just pointing out your flawed logic. Guns will still be manufactured. Both legally and illegally.
Australia still has the highest kill count in a single massicar ..port arthur shootings..... gun control worked with us but but were chill a.s.f.....so how dose it work do use give guns to ur kids to protectect them selfs against a repeat of sandy hook
>>703361553
did it stop drug use, faggot?
Guys it's real, six flags being evacuated
>>703361825
I don't think you know what the power of Judicial Review is, frankly.
While only Congress and the States can repeal a Constitutional Amendment, the Judicial Branch can interpret it, much as the way I've laid out--that the Army and Law Enforcement can take the place of "militias."
Guns do not belong in the hands of ordinary citizens.
>>703361553
Okay dipshit. But even if there was a public firearms ban. And that in and of itself is fantasy land. We still produce guns for Leos and the military. That black market created and the steady supply ensure you are a faggot
>>703361967
No they won't. You can cook up meth easily.
Having an gun-manufacturing operation? Not so much.
>>703361258
Brilliant. Stop making them and theones that exist now will dematerialize. Maybe u are unaware that there are billions of guns here and they last like forever if theyre stored right
>>703361711
So you don't care about the body count, you just don't like guns.
>>703362108
Why because you exposed yourself in line for one of the roller coasters? Again?
>>703361730
you fucking neanderthal liberals like to believe a blue pill that there could be a day where there's zero violence in the world, and you think you can do that by banning guns? what's next, knives? baseball bats? rock and bone? personality?
fuck off cro magnon
>>703362278
Then they all need to be turned over to the proper authorities so they can be utilized or destroyed.
We could even offer a lucrative gun buyback program.
Can a y 1 say ...bed post shotgun lol i only need 4 household items and i have a shot gun lol ban that faggot
>>703361419
Lolwut
>>703361843
A few people having one swimming pool is still able to kill more people. So what's your point. Also with more guns in private ownership in the US than there are people you have yet to show private gun ownership is dangerous.
>>703362309
Banning guns is a start. You want the "right" to remain an uncivilized Wild West society.
We've moved past this. For more than 100 years.
>>703362309
we need to ban ALL weapons! obviously the people who get them illegally will have to follow our laws and use them! obviously!
>>703362424
you... i really hope you're a troll.
i am just disgusted by your ignorance
i'm not even angry, just dissapointed that someone could actually have an iq lower than a brick
>>703362519
It is not worth the risk of weapons getting into a potential war lord or nutbag like Lanza's hands.
>>703362140
You'd need a court that's retarded enough to view it that way though
>>703362604
Ignorance would be believing the toxic gun culture that's gripped this country is sustainable.
You say there are only a handful of deaths, but it's going to become exponential the more gun nuts push back against social progress.
There will be those who believe they can run this country better because they have the firepower.
>>703362713
The 2nd Amendment needs to be re-interpreted to mean an "individual" right. Even the ACLU agrees with this.
>>703362108
http://wjla.com/news/local/six-flags-america-evacuated
Damn.
BAN ELEVATORS IT'S POSSIBLE TO USE IT OR BUILD IT INCORRECTLY AND THEY CAN KILL PEOPLE
#ENDELEVATORVIOLENCE
>>703362226
Pipe guns are easy as fuck to make...
>>703362424
Yeag, you're going to buy 400 millions guns at a fare value with the US budget. Good luck. We can't fund Zika research. But we'll get the 2 trillion that would cost easy
>>703362963
so it's pointless to ban them?
Im from australia ... how easy is it to get guns over there over hear u get done with valance charge or uv been to a mentale ward or dont have a legit reson for a gun its bloody hard to get hold of one and if u do but dont hold a licance u get jail time or massive fine
>>703362963
and ineffective
they'd probably kill the shooter
SAGE
>>703362963
LET'S BAN PIPES!!!
>>703362519
The risk being what? Some people die? You already don't care about higher body count issues. So why care about this?
>>703363053
then we enlist private partnership like Google or some credit card company
it will happen
>>703362900
LET'S BAN NIGGERS!
we should ban water guns since they can kill people who are allergic to water
>>703363286
Actually guns need to be banned BECAUSE of the risk of higher body count issues, so no.
Look, Trump isn't going to win, and this is where it's headed. You'd better start accepting it.
"everyone dies in this world you either kill yourself or get killed" Some guy on vine
LET'S BAN FAGGOTS WHO MAKE SHITTY POSTS
>>703363470
ad hominem
>>703363470
starting with you
LETS BAN PORN
>>703363527
Defensive much? How did you know I was talking about your posts faggot?
>>703363301
Hey Google could you spend more then you have to buy low the guns in America for no return on your investment? I'm sure it will happen tomorrow.
>>703363527
>>703363529
you two can follow
>>703363612
YES
FUCK YES
WE ARE COOKING WIT GAS NOW
>>703363470
kid doesn't even know how to reference other posts. newfag detected. get the fuck back to class
>>703363423
Right some how the risk of a lot of people being killed by gun is more pressing to you then the higher amount of people already being killed by swimming pools and cars
LET'S BAN THE INTERNET
>>703363621
You said there would be issues with generating that much revenue.
I offered the solution: private partnership. It doesn't have to be Google, it was just an example of a multi-billion (trillion) dollar corporation who would assist in a nationwide gun buy-back program.
>>703363648
I want to see the ad hominem faggot go first. Can you arrange this?
LETS BAN RETARDS
LET'S BAN LIFE THAT WAY NOONE CAN KILL ANYONE AGAIN AFTER EVERYONE'S DEAD
LETS SAGE THIS PIECE OF SHIT THREAD
>>703363777
We are not talking about cars. Or swimming pools
You gun nuts always do this. Always.
That's why there really isn't a debate on this, that's why we're just going to push for controls without a dialogue.
>>703363897
i like how when someone has a different opinion to you you never want to hear from then again. you liberals are all the same. read a book
>>703364015
LET'S BAN THE THREAD
>>703363947
This guy has the right idea!
>>703361711
Worked on niggers.
>>703363841
And what would be the incentive for them again?
LET'S BAN GUNS! NO ONE OTHER THAN PROPER MANUFACTURERS KNOW HOW TO MAKE FIREARMS RIGHT? I literally started designing this for fun 5 minutes ago before I saw this thread. It's fucking stupid and impractical, but you bet your ass the second you try to take my AR and I have to make something that actually works I WILL use the 2nd amendment for it's intended purpose, and I will be building AK's in my garage and handing them out like candy.
>>703364087
No just trying to make some faggot (you?) mad that in fact he's not the Captain of the Debate Team like he thinks he is. :^)
>>703363612
kill youself
LETS BAN CANCER
LET'S BAN TITTIES
>>703364025
Except the will of the people won't allow it. You faggots said this same shit going into Obamas first term. What gun laws did he sign again?
>>703364147
Most of the country would support an outright ban. It's only a much smaller contingency who wouldn't, and who then could be appeased through buy-back programs. The remainder could be dealt with using established law enforcement protocols, namely the BATF.
>>703364025
You've dismissed the argument without addressing it. What's the fundamental difference between two objects/entities that kill people? Let's say cars and guns.
The only difference is intent. The gun is built with killing in mind. The pool is built with entertainment in mind. Both are dangerous.
And here's why your argument is trash. Your argument became that the intent of the tool is the crime, not the body count. So how about a new cancer drug that comes out, but is toxic? Its intent is to cure people, but the body count is still high. Do you think this drug should be banned?
>>703364164
>triggered
>>703364187
look kiddo, how about you and i go play a game of catch or something at the park, a little bit of father son bonding time
>>703359705
>>703359705
>>703359705
>>703364025
Its always done because they are valid points. You have yet to prove a reason to ban guns.
>>703363718
LET'S BAN NEWFAGS
>>703364379
Except murder would skyrocket to zero. And someone using a swimming pool to kill someone would be tried and convicted. The number would not suddenly increase as you claim.
>>703361730
And anti-gun nuts always ignore statistics.
>>703364435
>kiddo
yup
some faggot who was a shitty debater in hs decades and now thinks he's the keeper of the flame
LET'S BAN OP!
>>703364505
Switzerland, everyone is REQUIRED to take home a fully automatic rifle. Go ahead and look up their crime rates. You're playing devil's advocate and don't actually believe any of the shit you're saying but you're doing it badly.
Good ol spidey
>>703364505
I haven't claimed anything, I just got to this thread. And you didn't answer my question. You've established that the body count is irrelevant. Should an unintentionally poisonous cancer drug by banned?
By the way, murder can't 'skyrocket' to zero, unless you would argue that murder didn't exist before guns were created.
>>703364374
State your source. If most of the country would support an outright ban this would be reflected by their elected officials. I doubt you could prove more then a few sitting Democrats on the national level that support an outright ban, much less a majority of the population
Because banning guns totally worked for the down under kang fuckers
Please let this all be b8
>>703361553
>>703361258
>>703361730
america doesnt have a gun problem, it has social, economical and mental health problems
case and point: switzerland
Spidey save another shitty thread
>>703364632
Again, the concern is, if you were actually paying attention instead of searching your NRA folder, that gun nuts are going to start becoming potential war lords, going beyond mere terrorism, the more that this country moves to the left in terms of progress.
School shootings, mall shootings, theater shootings all will increase the more gun nuts feel threatened by Presidents like Clinton.
We need to nip this in the bud.
>>703364505
um no it wouldn't. do you know how many murders occur every year WITHOUT the use of a firearm? a lot. not like it matters anyway, cause if somebody wants somebody dead, and they REALLY want him dead, they'll kill them with whatever they got.
look i get you guys want a better world. but it just wouldn't work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EDcvlGn920k
>>703364505
No one is claiming the rate would go up. As things are now more people die in swimming pools then are murdered with guns.
>>703364749
You're like every annoying gun nut, unwilling (unable?) to discuss the topic of guns, so you shitpost with other false analogies.
When you stop doing this, we'll resume the dialogue.
>>703364761
My source is that most Americans aren't gun nuts, only a small percentage of the population is.
And most Americans are getting sick of this country turning into a violent gun-culture heavy paradigm.
>>703364411
>discharged at supersonic speed by rapidly expanding gasses
>>703361127
you realize criminals don't buy their guns at gun stores?
LET'S BAN BICKERING LITTLE FAGGOTS THAT CAN'T CHANGE SHIT BUT ARGUE LIKE THEY CAN
>>703364892
yeah gun owners are the spawn of satan and need to be put in the gas... uh i mean shower rooms
>>703365293
You have a Hitler/Nazi fetish. Probably another reason you shouldn't have a weapon.
>>703365145
That's your opinion. Not a source. Words have meanings. Learn them.
If most Americans felt the way you say they would also vote that way. As it stands gun laws are getting loser.
LET'S BAN PIE
>>703364892
Your argument is "lets ban guns because people MIGHT do something bad when we impose a leftist regime because we don't want people to think differently and do something about it" When the majority of shootings were done by registered democrats.
>>703365145
Not an argument.
Lol ur pinicul of gun supremacy dont we feal safe with this hill billy hick and his gun....and to previouse post do u even know how to build a ak47 dumb ass go 4 it itll prob back fire and take ur head off but im ok with that 1 less retard in the gean pool
>>703359705
See what you did, OP? Your precious thread is a an anti-gun thread now.
LET'S BAN BANANAS
>>703365145
no source. you made it up to your own liking so you can say that you're right when you're not.
think before you post anon. some people here have a brain
>>703364632
Can't be taken seriously, desert eagles is pure retardation manifesting itself as a firearm.
As an Australian, I can say that gun control can work, but people will still find a way to fuck each other up. I'm actually genuinely a bit afraid and ashamed of how loose the U.S treat guns (why in the hell would any average civilian need an assault weapon?) but I believe there is probably a good balance between the two extremes of gun control, but I also believe that the U.S is currently far on one side of it.
LET'S BAN BAN
>>703365305
>>703365444
sorry :(
BAN BAN BAN!
As a criminal with a stock pile of guns hidden all over my land and home
I will take full advantage in knowing my potential targets are now 10x easier to rob
>>703365385
Sorry but you're just proving my point.
I said nothing about a "leftist regime," that was you. It's this kind of paranoia about social progress that specifically makes gun control an option.
Admit it, you would be part of a group led by a war lord to overthrow this country, given the direction it's going in. Say it.
are you serious op? im not surprised
>>703365407
I know exactly how to build an AK pattern rifle. Why would I build one that wont be as good though when I can just buy one for $800 and walk out with it in 5 minutes?
Oh my gawd what are you goin to do OP?
LET'S BAN AUTISM
>>703365019
How is it a false analogy? I've paired it to your previous arguments. I know you're trying to avoid it by the way, you know your logic isn't consistent.
I'll use another approach.
There's no such thing as gun control. The government, which currently reinforces all law at the point of a gun, holds a monopoly on initiatory force. This means that the government is the only body that has the legislated authority to initiate force on individuals. Currently, individuals have guns, and have the right to retaliatory force, meaning to defend themselves and their property from imminent threats of initiatory force.
If guns are banned, you are giving the government a monopoly on both forms of force, which you can't argue is a moral standpoint. There isn't anything moral about a government having the right to disarm and maintained a disarmed populace, ironically, at the point of a gun.
And the "ban gun" argument devolves to holding innocent people accountable for the previous and future potential actions of criminals. Unless you think you're somehow accountable for Tyrone who might rob a liquor store tomorrow with his dad's pistol, then your argument contradicts itself.
>>703365385
Yes it is, actually. The vast majority of Americans support stronger gun laws, and that includes banning certain weapons, Within 50 years, this could be ALL weapons out of the hands of ordinary civilians, depending on the Supreme Court.
>>703365632
Yes I fucking would, the government has no authority to change the 2nd amendment, the u.s. was founded on this so it's YOU who needs to adapt or leave.
>>703365373
wow. i'm shocked that you're so upset that you're just making shit up. i never said anything about sexually attracted to either of those things. i was just making fun of your biased, retarded, and illogical thought process. tell me, how fast is your heart beating, are you just shaking in anger, do you want to punch something?
>do you wanna shoot something?
gun laws are fine the way they are. why break something that works
LET'S BAN OP
>>703365774
Source.
>>703361258
Literally they would just get smuggled in with the drugs
>>703365747
>If guns are banned, you are giving the government a monopoly on both forms of force,
No I'm not. You can join law enforcement or the military.
....y do you need guns .. protection but dosnt it needa b locked in a gun safe so if u get broken into im sure u can ask the burglar nicly and hell let u grad ur gun
>>703359928
>>703365947
Oh, you mean the two government bodies that have legislated authority to initiate force?
>>703365266
>implying all crime causing degenerates magically have criminal records from birth
>implying good law abiding citizens can't turn into crime causing degenerates
>>703365530
Assault weapon is a made up word created to ban semi automatic rifles.
And no one needs to justify a right to you. There are more AR-15s in the US then there are school buses.
Yet to the media's dismay none of them have been used in a mass shooting in years.
20 people getting mowed down every few months is not a reason to strip a core right of 350 million people.
>>703363841
So you want the feds to get together with the corporations, who are just going to buy guns cause muh feelings, and what sell them to mexico? Or take a huge loss?
1. Have you ever been to a gun buyback? The few people that showed up were getting 100 gift cards for pieces of antiquated shit.
The few that brought nice weapons they know nothing about other than it goes boom and babies die... got their 200 gift card, and a cop took it home after pictures, or it was bought out for cash by 1 of several normal people while waiting in line.
Either way the guns end up back in the community ready to slaughter innocent babies at a moments notice.
>>703365799
>the government has no authority to change the 2nd amendment,
Oh but they do
The Supreme Court can and will interpret the 2nd Amendment to be a collective right, not an individual one.
You do not have the "right" to be a warlord and disrupt the safety of this country.
>>703365947
(facepalm)
do you know what G.I means?
>>703365815
not even mad--I can spot an obvious strawman.
Nobody said anything about executing or even rounding up gun owners as you are implying. It takes a special kind of butthurt to go that route.
You might want to back up and start your post again.
>>703365947
(facepalm)
do you know what G.I means?
government issue. if you join the military you are govermment property. you are owned by the U.S. and if you don't follow orders, even if they're illegal
like firing on unarmed civilians
you get your ass thrown in Military prison
>>703359705
Free advertising for your Shitty news channel? I stopped tuning in weeks ago.
P
>>703366124
And yet with more guns then people what you are suggesting has never happened.
>>703363377
AGREED
>>703366124
Good, try it, believe what you want, we'll see who's on the right side of history if they're that fucking stupid to try that. 89 guns per 100 people in the u.s. have fun I have no reason to argue something that is a founding principle of this country, yes I will take up arms if the government tries to strip me of that right, and so will millions of others, remember it only took 3% to beat the British. :^)
>>703365840
Not going to Google it for you. Part of the outrage over Congress not passing more stringent measures like increased background checks is because the American public supports them. They are not absolutist gun nuts like yourself thinking they have the free run because the 2nd Amendment says so.
>>703366303
Actually you are. To ban something means you are making it against the law to own it. What happens if people refuse to give up their now-banned property? The government can now legally initiate the force required to take what they have claimed is illegal, through imprisonment, seizure, or immediate violence.
Getting in here late guys, what did i miss?
>>703366406
Or I can just exercise my rights as an American
LET'S BAN OP
>>703366406
>You want your rights? The given the government permission to drop you in war-torn nations to face an untimely death.
>Don't be a coward!
>>703366512
Burden of proof is on you, if you cant give me a source your argument is objectively wrong and invalid.
>>703366073
OK so now since you couldn't break the argument that there would be enough money to fund a buy-back program, you're going to stoop to complaining about it being like some other shitty government program, because naturally all government programs are shitty
lol
k
the government already has most of the power again in the U.S. and if they take away our guns that's more or less complete power over us. they own us at that point
>>703366406
>I'm bipartisan
>>703366702
Name one that isn't
>>703366320
Doesn't matter. The "militia" clause in the 2nd Amendment is made obsolete by the creation of a standing army.
>>703359705
SAGE
>>703366497
Except you do not have even air support, faggot.
Oh wait your fat faggot ass is suddenly going to become a skilled saboteur of air power.
Don't make me laugh faggot.
>>703366827
False. There was a standing army long before there was a second amendment. This is why your right to own a gun was not taken away on those grounds 200 years ago.
PLEASE END THIS GOD FORSAKEN THREAD
>>703366797
It's the same people who scream about police brutality and the military being a bunch of murderers for hire who want only the police and military to have all the firepower.
>>703359705
>>703366525
We're talking about at the least, half a million people when all's said and done. And you're welcome to get on Instagram and unite your armies to march on us, lol.
>>703365407
Focus less on posting. Focus more on spelling and grammar. You will not go far in life spelling like a fucking mongoloid.
>>703366700
Not my problem you're ignorant of the overwhelming support for gun regulation in this country.
Maybe if you weren't too busy gladly being fed NRA propaganda at every turn, you might see that support.
>>703366997
75% of the military is projected to join the rebellion if it happens. Jets cant stand on street corners, or identify a lone shooter who slipped into a crowd of civilians in a busy city square, you saying they'll carpet bomb non-combatants on their own home soil?
>>703366806
My DMV is actually very state of the art and I got my license within 20 minutes, even with an eye exam.
This is fucking awful. Nobody here is going to change gun rights.
>Shut the fuck up and keep the spidermemes rolling in.
fucking idiots always clamouring about "muh guns" when they don't pay attention to mass surveillance, warrantless data collection, militarization of police forces, domestic drones programs, ... as if your wall of AR-15s will help you if the state decided to turn it's vengeful eye on you.
>>703367200
That's why Idaho just got CONSTITUTIONAL carry this July right? Or why only the mass majority of states still have loose gun laws, because the majority wants them?
>>703367210
Actually, no. The SCOTUS would rule that bearing arms is a collective right assigned to the military and law enforcement. The 2nd Amendment would be intact.
>>703366997
Look at the shit show that was Iraq. A few hundred thousand sand niggers managed to turn that into a total shit show for the US military. The population is less then 10 percent of the US. And the average soldier is going to feel less good shooting at Americans then they do sand niggers.
>>703367200
>overwhelming support for gun regulation in this country.
due to ignorance and a media narrative pushing lies
Majority of Americans think gun violence is up when it's down 50% from 1990
People who want more "gun regulation" in reality have no idea about what the gun laws already are in this country and their opinion on whether we need more or not is invalid because they are not informed on any of the facts.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
Good luck getting to the gun safe
>>703367414
Not in the eyes of the people, and that is LITERALLY all that matters.
>>703367380
Idaho has less than half a million people, faggot, and most of it is already Federal land. Not a lot of fucks given.
>>703367269
And what state are younim?
Good luck getting to the gunsafe
>>703367425
Yeah but you aren't Shiites and Sunnis.
And most of the country would support your being captured, because it would be you violating the Constitution, not the citizens.
>>703367439
OK so you admit that support is there
don't care about your faggot conspiracy garbage much, though
>>703367414
The bill of rights assigns rights to the public not to the state. No one in their right mind would view it the way you do
>>703367682
A state that doesn't vote Republicans into office to cut social services like my DMV.
Sorry faggot, you just had to ask.
>>703367871
It says "militia." The creation of a standing army supersedes it.
>>703367425
You need to provide some logic to back up your claim of how most of the country would react
>>703367574
All gun control advocates are helplessly ignorant.
Gun laws have been becoming more and more lax in the USA for the past 30 years.
The only people clamoring for more gun laws are idiots like you who have no clue on what the gun laws in the USA already are.
I'm sure you have no idea about the 1934 National Firearms Act, the 1968 Gun Control Act, the 1994 Brady bill, etc, yet we need SENSIBLE GUN LEGISLATION because none of these laws exist.
>>703367768
>OK so you admit that support is there
Support is there because the media fucking put Sandy Hook on their 24/7 news segments for 8 months straight until people thought gun violence was up in the country.
"Support is there" based on public perception being tilted AGAINST the facts of crime in the country.
Public support based on propaganda is not what we need to follow, and you're a dope for saying we need to follow the public when they are polled and found not to have any clue about the issue they have feelings about.
>>703367694
Most Iraqis just wanted to move on and rebuild their country.
what ive learned from murica and this thread
TURN ON CNN A SWIMMING POOL IS GONNA KILL SOMEONE
fuck sake, is this a cringe thread?
>>703367969
>>It says "militia."
I'm pretty sure it says:
THE RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO KEEP AND BEAR ARMS SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED
It does not say "the right of the militia" or "ONLY PEOPLE IN THE MILITIA," it very clearly says it's a right of the people.
>>703368038
>Gun laws have been becoming more and more lax in the USA for the past 30 years.
yes, because of the powerful NRA lobby
did you have a point?
>>703367871
You keep saying that lie. There was a standing army before the bill or rights was made.
>>703367882
The DMV isn't a social service you fucking idiot.
>>703368038
>Support is there
Good. We're in a agreement. I could care less about your Jews-own-the-media type bullshit.
The US public supports stricter gun control. That means there are more of us than you.
>>703367882
So you're not willing to name a government program that isn't a shot show then.
>>703368125
Which they could have done if Bush hadn't shattered their infrastructure with his stupid war.
>>703367439
Dude, you live in the most violent developed nation in the world. You leade the developed world in mass shootings. You lead the developed world in gun violence and have the slowest overall year to year reduction in violence. You lead the entire world in incarceration.
Every nation practicing actual gun control has surpassed you in harm reduction, and in reducing the average casualties per act of mass violence (eg. fewer dead or injured per incident due to lack of firearms). AND although you insist they keep you safe, the number of incidents where people defend themselves or stop a mass shooting because they are armed are dwarfed by the times they failed to respond.
Guns are good for one thing, shooting other people. A guy looking to hurt a crowd will always fire first because nobody is going to blow a stranger away immediately without knowing his intentions, and you'll always have more bad incidents than good.
You just shoot each other over and over. That's not civilization, that's a slight step up from Africa.
>>703368248
A gun lobby can't change how people vote. If the will of the people was tighter gun laws. They would elect people to pass them.
Serious question for the people who want to ban guns from civilian ownership.
Do you also cry about law enforcement killing people with their guns, or is that OK?
>>703368248
I think you need to look at how much the NRA donates because it's not a very powerful lobby.
You are also avoiding my very clear point of "public opinion" should not be followed when "public opinion" is very clearly advocating for laws not based on any sort of facts.
>>703368386
>The US public supports stricter gun control. That means there are more of us than you.
And it's only there due to a mass media propaganda machine that literally made the majority of the public believe a lie.
We don't follow the advice of people who are misled based on falsities.
Nor can "public support" remove basic human rights protected by the US constitution, which is why we are a republic and have elected officials who are not swayed by a surge of public opinion for a dipshit idea.
>>703360034
Liberal with some functioning brain cells
>>703368453
Off topic
>>703368038
You say that, but the developed countries that practice it are safer and have less mass violence than you do.
i have 78p in my bank account. what do i buy? send links
>>703368161
It still does not address that a standing Army was created, and that individual states civilian law enforcement for protection.
Civilian law enforcement anyone who wishes to operate a gun may join.
>>703366702
K it was amazon and police department so sure government agency...
You're the one advocating a government agency partner up with a corporation to loose money on an event to strip Americans of their rights and property.
The buyback I referenced was voluntary, what happens when it's manditory?
>>703366525
Explained that part very fucking well.
So Mr overreaching government with corporate funding that is able to strip people of their rights, which one would you like to stop at?
I'm sure you've heard that before, but I can't for the life of me remember a rebuttal other than tinfoil or gun nut, so I'm looking foward to your response.
Oh and how do we pay back the corporations for their generous purchasing of citizens weapons and the force to confiscate the rest?
How about some more corpotate tax breaks? Or perhaps higher taxes? FucK how about all the gun nuts we don't kill while trying to confiscate have to pay for it with asset forfeiture and or cage em up for the private prison money....
You don't even need skis cause this slope ain't even slippery.
Anti guns fags are missing the key points the second amendment isn't for hunting, the second amendment doesn't limit the amount of guns a person can own, the second amendment is the first line of defense against tyranny, the US couldn't defeat some sand niggers in the Middle East, the right to own a gun is so that the governed and government are equals
>>703368327
Oh really? How do you get a driver's license? Some dude named Jose?
>>703368572
>Dude, you live in the most violent developed nation in the world.
Take out gang violence concentrated in shitholes like Chicago, Detroit, and DC and you cut the violence in the USA in half.
That puts it a lot closer to European nations' violence levels.
US crime is concentrated in black ghettos. If you don't live in a shithole, you're probably not going to be the victim of violence.
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>>703368425
I don't have a problem with social services. You do. Enough to make up a bunch of shit about how you "think" a nationwide govt gun buy-back program might operate.
>>703368572
We are violent people with or without guns.
If you like your faggot country and how it works that's great I'm happy for you and wouldn't suggest you change. No one here cares about your opinion.
>>703368572
We have black people here. Places like switzerland have guns but they have no crime because everyone there is white
>>703368710
Buy a gun and shoot me in the face with it please, I'm begging you
>>703368609
>A gun lobby can't change how people vote.
except it has, and more than a few individual members of Congress have acknowledged it.
The NRA is the reason we don't have stricter gun laws.
>>703368966
Gtfo
>>703368684
>developed countries that practice it are safer and have less mass violence than you do.
"Developed countries" i.e. cherrypicked examples that exclude anything that doesn't fit your narrative didn't have mass violence before they went and banned almost all guns.
The UK and other "developed countries" didn't have anywhere near the violence level the US did before they outlawed almost all their guns. And then they did, and it was still lower than the US' violence rate, that doesn't prove it lowered violence by any amount.
The US and all "developed countries" saw a mass decline of violence of around 50% since 1990. The US started at a higher rate before, but it fell by the same percentage over the same amount of time.
>>703368966
Nice dubs
>>703368623
>due to a mass media propaganda machine
owned by Jews yes we know
you are boring faggot
>>703368617
Thing is, America has a fucked up relationship with police.
In Canada we have a few bad cops, but we know the overwhelming majority are hardworking people who do their jobs and do them well.
We're not afraid of our police, we don't have the racial disparities you do, and we don't feel all that bad when some asshole attacks a cop and gets shot for it because he's a moron.
Do bad things happen? yes, but police here are overwhelmingly better for the nation than not, and arming ourselves to the fucking teeth and bringing back the mass shootings and gun violence of the past would be fucking stupid in our eyes because it was not a better time for this country.
And the day America grows the fuck up, realizes your elected government isn't going to enslave you (maybe Trump, that guy's dishonest as hell) and gets rid of the guns, you'll look back on all the mass killings and the psychopaths with bunkers full of weapons preparing for the day Obama comes to steal all their shit and think it was fucking stupid.
American gun culture is toxic and it just gets innocent people killed.
>>703368756
Law enforcement is state operated. There is no civilian law enforcement. Read a fucking dictionary.
>>703369216
>>703368664
or more to the point Iraq is another shit analogy
don't even try to compare the McDonald's fed Duck Dynasty Gun Nut to actual rebels fighting (and winning) on empty stomachs
>>703369165
>>703368802
>to strip Americans of their rights and property.
we've been through this faggot
if the 2nd Amendment gets changed or repealed you would be the ones going against the Constitution, not us.
>>703369215
that graph is hilariously missleading
>>703368966
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Spiderfag fail
>>703369495
>>703369225
Do I have to link to the research again?
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2013/05/07/gun-homicide-rate-down-49-since-1993-peak-public-unaware/
The US public believes the lie that gun violence in the US is up when the complete opposite is true.
90% of the people polled were completely wrong about gun violence in the USA.
This was after Sandy Hook footage played on repeat on all mass media stations for 8 months after it happened.
90% of the public believes the lie that gun violence in the USA is up or hasn't been declining dramatically.
90% of the public literally believes a demonstrable lie, and you don't think the media is the cause of it?
>>703369272
Civilian means not military
confirmed for 12 year old trying to figure out how to open daddy's gun cabinet
>>703368859
People being able to a get a driver's license isn't a social services. It is a state service. You pay the state for the "privilege " to drive. You pay the state to register a vehicle. A social service is the state paying you. Not you paying the state.
>>703369587
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>>703361843
kill yourself you massive pussy. If you lived near niggers you would know why you need a gun. If some bullshit law gets passed, the niggers will still have the serial void gats while i have my dick in my hands.
What a great thread!
>>703369776
doesn't matter
gunfags always point to the DMV as an example of a shitty social service where you wait for hours and it's full of shit
Most hatred for government is based on its historic tendency to become more liberal, and less Wild West like you faggot would have it.
>>703359705
IT'S HAPPENING
>>703369874
being this triggered
>>703369874
>>703367269
And why should you have to pay 50bcuks for someone else to type in the information you wrote out on a sheet of paper and to take your picture?
Seems like that visit should only take you as long as it takes to type smile and wait for a card printing.
The fact you're bragging about less than 20 mins as if that's a fucking achievement worthy of acknowledgment goes to show how worthless their department is.
>>703369030
I'm not making up anything. I'm asking you to provide and example of a well run government program. It's been an hour and no one had been able to. Because they know I'll run a quick search and find how what ever they name is passing away money, mired in fraud, fucking over the people it's supposed to help, spending more then it's budget, or all of the above.
>>703369971
>>703363184
you really don't know shit about guns do you?
WWII: the Liberator, cheap ass sheet metal pistols air dropped into france. Shoot some one with a better gun and take it.
>>703370002
nigger
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>>703369154
Explain how the NRA has changed the minds of voters who originally wanted stricter gun laws?
Can we finally have a spidey thread?
>>703369971
if you've learned anything from history you dumb fucking faggot, right after that, is when the rights start being taken away and/or another well put together, and rule upholding country takes over, then the country goes to total fucking heckery. Happens every time, don't let history repeat itself you damn cuckold.
>>703370387
>>703370188
Enjoy being shot on sight then.
>>703369377
I'd those were the only people who would refuse to turn in their guns you may have a point.
>>703370478
>>703369269
American gun culture is fine, the problem is the taboo on mental health treatment, and more importantly the class structure in the United States.
Most violent crime occurs in poor areas of urban environments. Why? Because no company in their right mind will build a factory or store in the middle of a shit hole. So the residents of said area have to turn to crime to put food on the table.
There is no gun problem, we have a poverty problem. Poverty control doesn't get suburban soccer moms wet like banning scary inanimate objects.
The poor in America have always been set up to fail by the people in power since before the revolution . Until that changes, nothing else will.
>>703370387
Are we going to just play dumb the rest of the thread?
Let me guess: the NRA isn't powerful, the liberal media makes it seem like it is so liberals can ban guns lol.
>>703370556
>>703370661
>>703369154
>except it has, and more than a few individual members of Congress have acknowledged it.
The law Obama tried to have passed in Congress 6 months after Sandy Hook that you're referring to, with its "80% of the public supports this!" was a law for 'Universal Background Checks' meaning for every single gun purchase, you have to go to a gun store and pay them for the privilege of selling your gun to another individual.
This law would not have stopped Adam Lanza from killing 28 people because the guns he used were bought by his fucking mother, at a gun store, and underwent background checks.
The President of the United States flew the parents of murdered children to sit in on congress and guilt them to vote a specific way, on a bill (technically an amendment to the bill) that WOULD NOT HAVE STOPPED the fucking entire reason they claim to support that legislation.
Gun control is not about stopping mass murders, it's about controlling people.
>>703370673
>>703370478
>rights
if Congress and the States repeal the 2nd Amendment, or if SCOTUS rules on an individual right as the ACLU recommends, none are being taken away.
You believe you have the "right" to become a warlord. That's actually disturbing here.
>>703370864
>>703370556
>Still that fucking stupid.
Have this small single shot ready. You single one out dumbass, You don't run into a police station.
>>703369971
It does matter. Words have fucking meanings. Dick face said the DMV is a social service. It is not. As for how well your DMV is run its probable one of the state's that's privatized and now you know you'll sound like a fucking idiot
>>703370864
>if Congress and the States repeal the 2nd Amendment
The entire point of the Bill of Rights is that the Constitution does not grant us those rights, they are inherent in all people, and any government that tries to restrict them is illegitimate and should be dismantled.
I don't think you know a lot about the constitution if you think amending away the bill of rights would be a good course of action.
>>703370786
keep missing the point faggot
That the law did not pass because of heavy lobbying.
Again, members of Congress have acknowledged this.
You are going in circles.
>>703370002
Mommy, no!
>>703371106
Guns would still be in the hands of civilians as part of law enforcement or the military.
You do not have the "right" to be a warlord.
Until you address this, we're done.
>>703370673
Explain how the NRA changes the minds of voters set on passing tougher gun laws. While you are at it explain how they do it better then the dozens of anti gun lobby groups who try to pass stronger gun laws.
>>703371112
>That the law did not pass because of heavy lobbying.
And you admit the law wouldn't have stopped Adam Lanza from killing 28 kids.
Why bring in the parents of dead kids to cry at congress then?
It might be that gun control proponents don't actually want to stop future Sandy Hooks. They just want to ban guns.
The poll they got the 80% support for said "Do you support background checks for gun sales?" and only conducted in 2 states which is extremely ambiguous because every gun store already conducts background checks for every gun sale.
>>703371328
Actually had the law actual teeth instead of being knocked out by the Republicans, arguably it could have stopped Lanza, yes.
But we can't hurt gun nuts' feelings, or they'll revolt
lol
honest question from a non american here:
what do you guys love so much about guns ?
>>703371466
>>Actually had the law actual teeth
It wouldn't have stopped Adam Lanza from getting guns. You did not follow the actual wording of the amendment, obviously.
It was a 'Universal Background Check' amendment when Nancy Lanza passed her background checks fine.
You are a low information voter. You are what's called a "useful idiot."
>>703370864
You keep saying warlord and don't know what the word means.
I have a right to own a gun. The state's will never ratify a repeal of the second amendment. The court holds no obligation to do what the ACLU wishes.
>>703371328
>The poll they got the 80% support for said "Do you support background checks for gun sales?" and only conducted in 2 states
bullshit
>>703369480
God you are a special kind of retarded.
If you change or repealed the 2nd amend ment you would be stripping rights and rights to their property.
God fucking damnit did you learn nothing about when slaves were no longer property cause the gubbment said so?
The same magical pieces of paper that criminals ignore now will still be ignored by the innocent people your way of thinking would have condemned as criminals.
>>703371661
The ACLU's position is superior and more in line with the Constitution.
The only reason guns are an individual right is because we have right-wing justices on the Supreme Court.
